Full Show Podcast: 5 October 2024

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tamee podcast
from News Talks at b.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Ah wild parties, cocaine fueled late night debauchery, Guilty as Charged.
That does sound like a bit of me, but no, no,
My idea of fun is a map. I've got a huge,
detailed map on my wall, a winkled triple projection Pacific scentered.

(00:34):
Of course, I can while away ours whole afternoons intercontinental
flights just staring at a map. And when you steer
at a detailed map, you're drawn to curiosities, to extremes,
and naturally, of course, you're drawn into imagining or fantasizing
what those places might be like in person, rather than

(00:56):
simply as a coordinate on your wall. There are three remote,
extreme curious places on Earth that I've always fantasized about seeing.
One is Ladenconnada, which is the highest permanently populated town
in the world that's in the Peruvian Andes, a grim,
freezing mining town with a violent crime problem and where

(01:17):
a slab of the residents may or may not have
mercury poisoning. It's higher than Everest Base Camp, and if
you watch on YouTube, it's about as far from a
few nights as denaro As, it's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
To be.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
The next of the Kergzil Islands aka the Desolation Islands,
a vast seven thousand square kilometer archipelago and the sub Antarctic.
It's home to amazing wildlife and a few dozen French scientists.
And it is huge. It's vast. The main island of
the Kurgulan Islands is one hundred and fifty kilometers long

(01:54):
and one hundred and twenty kilometers wide. Have you ever
heard of it? It's one of the most remote places
on Earth. And my final isle of intrigue is Diego Garcia.
My dad first told me about d G. Diego Garcia
when I was a kid. So imagine a point, a

(02:14):
little atoll in the middle of the Indian Ocean below
India and about halfway between Tanzania and Bali. For decades,
Diego Garcia has been home to one of the most
mysterious and secretive military bases on the planet. Its strategic location,
its military runway, its fleet of long range bombers, and

(02:37):
its ability to reload submarines with weapons make it hugely
important to the US and the UK. But of course
that base only came about via a brutal history. Although
Diego Garcia had no indigenous population, enslaved people were brought
there to work on the atoll on coconut plantations, and

(02:58):
over several centuries developed their own language and culture. In
the nineteen sixties, the Brits decided to kick them out
in order to develop the military base. They forcibly evicted
all of the local population to Mauritius and the Seychelles.
For decades since, Mauritius has fought for the island and
its surrounding islands, the surrounding archipelago. Chagosians, as people from

(03:21):
the Chagos Islands are known, have fought to return to
their home, but I've always assumed that I would never
be able to go. The island is rumored to be
a CIA black site, and according to a recent BBC report,
only three journalists have ever visited. One pretended to have
a boat problem and was only there for an hour

(03:41):
and a half, another stopped to refuel while traveling in
a presidential plane, and the most recent visitor had to
agree to incredible restrictions on her reporting and was barred
from numerous areas and accompanied by minders at all times.
But yesterday came news from Diego Garcia. After years of

(04:03):
terse negotiations and an ongoing legal dis regarding a group
of Tamil asylum seekers being detained on the island, the
UK and Mauritius announced that sovereignty of Diego Garcia and
the other Chagos Islands is going to be passed to Mauritius.
So will it mean the Chagossians, as people from the
Chagos Islands are known, will it mean they can return home?

(04:26):
Probably not. Under the deal, the long range bombers, the submarines,
the base will remain for at least the next century.
Its official status might have changed, but for those of
us who trace the atoll across the world on our
office wall, Diego Garcia will be no more accessible and

(04:48):
no less mysterious. Team ninety two ninety two. If you've
been to Diego Garcia, please let us know. Jacketnewsdalgs headb
dot co dot in zed is my email address. After
ten o'clock on News Dogs, he'db I'm so excited about
our feature interview. Rena Owen is going to be with
us in studio. Would you believe it is thirty years
this year since once We're Warriors were released. She has

(05:12):
had a remarkable career in the decades since she has
I think to this day she is the only actress
to have worked for both George Lucas and Steven Spielberg,
which is an incredible achievement. So Reena Owen is going
to be with us after ten in studio. Right now,
it's thirteen minutes past ten. Kevin Milne will kick us
off for our Saturday Morning next. I'm Jack Tame. This

(05:33):
is News Dog ZB.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and be purured on codt
enz for high quality supplements used.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I love this show. I love this job. Jack. I've
been to Diego Garcia. How about that top of the text, Jack,
I've been to Diego Garcia, allbit in the middle of
the night on a refueling stop, so pretty much in
my view, it was a typical US military base in
the middle of what seemed like a US town. Yeah,
I mean, I still want to know more, and I'm

(06:07):
sure you haven't been lucky enough to see all parts
of Diego Garcia. I think it's like the if you
to drive around the whole atoll. It's about forty killing meters.
They reckon that it has some of the cleanest waters
and some of the coral reefs that are in best
condition on the planet in Diego Garcia. So still that
is that is remarkable. So thank you very much for that, Jack.
Maps are dying out that being said, I love like

(06:30):
you browsing New Zealand maps. Yeah, I mean, I'm not
totally sure they're doing out there. Some some maps are
probably dying out right. Rod says he wants he's a
similar wanderlust. He wants to sit on a rock paddling
his feet in Tierra del Fuego, the n spot of
South America. Making plans is Rod, thank you. Ninety two
ninety two is our text number. Kevin Milne is all
with us this morning killed her.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Oh Jack, you've got to go to the Diego. You've
got to be the fourth journalist. I just you've got
to do a documentary.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Do you know what? I just I can't. I don't
think it's a case of just simply like emailing the
UK Foreign Office or indeed Marie just and saying hey,
I'm Jack, I'm from New Zealand. I want to come
to Diego Garcia. I don't think that's necessarily gonna You've.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Got You've got some remarkable contacts around the place.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Not that remarkable, do you know, Kevin, I did. I
did once I was I was fortunate enough, if that's
the right term. I did go to Guantanamo Bay with
the military base at the end of Cuba, right, and
so I need to Cuba as a tourist. But to
go to the to go to Guantanamo Bay requires a
lot of paperwork and negotiations and that kind of thing.
That was complicated enough. But there are gazillions of journalists

(07:40):
who have been able to go to Guantanamo Bay, and yeah,
only three apparently have made it to Diego Garcia over
the year.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
You've got that little that little sort of four runner
that you gave us before, was the script for you
for the first minute of your documentary.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe. What what I will do, as
I will there is this this BBC reporter who has
been there recently, and we had all these restrictions on
your reporting and what you could see and do and stuff.
So what I'll do is I'm going to put that
on our Facebook page so people can see it. Because
I'm sure I'm not the only one who you know,
sometimes fantasizes about reaching these remote parts of the earth.

(08:18):
But Kevin, you've been turning your attention to something else
this week. You've been running your eye over the latest
census results.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah. Yeah, it's almost interesting the census. I imagine that
you yourself would be a keen reader of census results.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ah, a bit like that. Absolutely love it, love love
a data dump from Statistics New Zealand. Nothing, you're excited.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
I wasn't surprised that Wellington's cities has the largest proportion
of the rainbow community than anywhere else. Wellington's just that
sort of place, isn't it. I'd say it's the most
liberal city in the country and the most creative.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah. I think so too.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Yeah, I was surprised to find Auckland City so far
down on that list. There's a higher proportion of rainbow
community in South Waira Wrapper than in Auckland. I respect
that's because Auckland now has a huge non European New
Zealand community, and the rainbow community remains, I think more

(09:18):
hidden in those non European communities. Only half the people
living in Auckland our biggest city now identify as New
Zealand European. I find that a fantastic statistic. Really more
Indians than Chinese now in New Zealand. It's going to
help our cricket sides. The Filipino population has gone up

(09:40):
thirty five thousand for our senses, hopefully that means more
wonderful nurses in our hospitals and our care facilities. Gisbon
now got more people identifying as Maori than New Zealand
European fifty fifty two percent European. I found that interesting.

(10:02):
And I see there are more Greeks and Wellington than
anywhere else in the country. That may have always been
the case, which makes you wonder why it's so hard
to find a Greek restaurant. And well, two thirds of
all New Zealand homes now have heat pumps. We should
have got out of the media jack and into heat pumps.
That was the business get into. Yeah, I see in

(10:24):
Auckland heat pumps have finally caught on, from thirty nine
percent of all homes in twenty and eighteen to sixty
six percent now. Now is that because your old fashioned
open fires have been banned or because the weather's getting worse.
I don't know over half of New Zealand's population has

(10:46):
no religion. Given our populations recently seen large influxes of
non European New Zealanders very committed to religion, I think
it'd be interesting to know how many European New Zealanders
European New Zealanders have no religion. I reckon itly far

(11:06):
more than half. Finally, cigarettes makings half since two thy thirteen.
Lobbyists and health professionals take about time now, surely got
the squeeze on alcohol? You'll agree with that.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, I mean I've long seen I think our attitudes
towards alcohol could still do with some improvement.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
The fascinating numbers, Ah, Kevin, there's one little data point
you haven't included there I was interested by. There are
still thirty one percent of New Zealand homes have a
land line. Yes, yeah, although on the Chathams it's more
than seventy percent, because which kind of makes sense. I
can imagine there are a few dead spots of cell
phones on the tatams.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah. Yeah, there'll all be people my age, aren't they
with the old still with the landline?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Every now and again. I wish we still had one,
to be honest, do you Oh yeah, yeah, they're a
lovely item. Really, I've still got a mc garage and
I sold what do they call them? Rotary?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
And kids don't even know where to put the receiver
down on them anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
To be honest, I'm not that confident that I could
use one. A bit of a change. Yeah, No, those
are remarkable numbers, and I love that the census has,
you know, information on all those little points, because it
really does describe a change in New Zealand. Was also
interested that there are I think almost twice as many
people who identify as Hindu as do Muslim in New Zealand,

(12:36):
which also tells you about something about the demographics, which yeah,
even though we are less religious than ever before. Yeah,
that was That was an interesting little point. Like you say,
it probably paints a picture of a more diverse New Zealand.
So thank you, Kevin. Kevin Milner with us there. Thank
you very much for your feedback. Jack. I remember a
nineteen ninety TV report on Diego Garcia. The TV crew

(12:57):
has led to a row of B fifty two bombers
on the runway, then dead pan. The American Military Guide said,
if the engines ever start up, the world is in
serious trouble. Dave has flipped me an email Jack. I'm
listening from Queensland on iHeart this morning. Good hey, Dave,
thank you for that re Diego Garcia. I'm ex Royal

(13:18):
News Yeald Navy. I've stopped there twice in my career
for refueling stops. Can't remember much about it. Both times
I was standing see emergency party, so we weren't allowed
ashore unless we've got to stand in. But guys would
do pt presume that means a physical training and go
to the US Military shop, says Dave. This is it.
This we found a solution. My solution is not to

(13:39):
not to go as a journalist, not to go as
a tourist. My solution is to join the Royal News
Young Navy and hope that at some point we go
on a refueling stop. That is fascinating. Ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us a message before ten
o'clock this morning, we've got your film picks for this week.
A couple of crackers from our film reviewer. Right now,
it's twenty four past nine, twenty seven four.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
He's got a bit excited there and then mine, sorry
about that twenty seven past nine on News Dogs, he'd
be thank you very much for your messages. Jack. Listening
to your opening whilst walking this morning on a gorgeous morning,
I felt I was being transported to places I'll never
be able to go. Well, I hope, look, I hope
Lee that we are all able to go there. But
thank you very much for your message. Our sporto Andrew
Savill is here this morning and Jimmy Spittle says he's

(14:27):
not He's not going to race again. He's done.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
Yeah, well in America's Cup, Jack, good morning. Yeah, the
Aussie we love to hate, who actually when you get
to meet him, I think you might have in the
last Cup here in twenty one. He's actually a decent bloke.
He's a real competitor, just one of those ossie battlers
who loves getting into a brawl, if I can use
that term, and loves winning and loves winding people up

(14:53):
at the same time. I always found it to be
a treat to interview over the years in the America's Cup,
so it will be a sad loss to the Cup.
I'd love to see him in the future if the
Aussies can come up to money, and let's face it,
it's huge money these days, come up with an Aussie
campaign to challenge for the Cup. Whoever may hold at necktime.
But Jimmy Spittle always adding some color to America's Cup history,

(15:18):
which is of course lizard with very colorful characters. So yeah,
shame to see him go.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, yeah, it is. He's one of those guys who,
you know, yeah, we love to hate him, blah blah blah.
I mean I actually didn't hate him. I just thought
he was one of those guys who he knows that
it's that sport is entertainment, right, and it just leans
into it and leans into the winding and stuff. He's
a Gregan esque figure, yes, and yeah, I love that.
I think it's I think it's.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
And who will ever forget that time in twenty thirteen
in San Francisco when he was batting for Oracle that
he came back from that eight to one deficit against
Team and.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Z No, it's forgetting it. No, it's forgetting it. No
one needed the reminder this morning either.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Said one of sports most remarkable, global sports, most remarkable
comebacks of all types. So so spittle and lunar ross
are gone. They have been feed in the Louis Vuitton
Cup final by Ineos britann So that means the British
or Ineos Britannia will be racing Team New Zealand for

(16:17):
the America's Cup. I think it starts late on the
twelfth our time. Isn't it amazing? Sixty years since the
Brits have officially challenged in the America's Cup race or
match rather final for the Cup. And let's not they
first started it. Let's not forget whether they first started
it one hundred and fifty odd years ago. So great

(16:40):
thrill for Sir Ben Ainsley, who has been at it
for ten to fifteen years with not much luck.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well yeah, they were pretty woful and all.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah the last he's a sale who's won everything in
the Olympics and a lot of other regattas around the world.
So it should be a good competition, jack in.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
The faint, yeah should. The Women's Tea twenty Cricket World
Cup has underwent a very good result for outing.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
Good outing for a team that has struggled so much
for the past twelve months, especially in the T twenty
for mat the White Ferns made one sixty against India.
India one oz too all out, so fifty odd run
when there. For the White Ferns got some tougher games
to come. But that's a good start to a competition
that can sometimes be rather hit and myth and and
for a team that has just lost so many games

(17:28):
this year, so that'll that will boost their confidence and
boost their morale. Jack, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
What's wrong with the Silver Fans?

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Good question.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
Some really odd changes in that second game on the
court has has Dame Noling Toto's bubble burst. I don't
know if it has just yet, but you'd normally backed
the Ferns to bed England. They lost that first game
by one goal, so that could have gone either way,

(17:59):
but just some odd calls in the second game. They
played the third game tomorrow and Evercargo a dead rubber
as such in the series, but the Ferns will be
desperate to win that. Just yeah, there just seems to be.

Speaker 7 (18:14):
Losing.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
The Black Ferns lost against Ireland the other day. The Silver.
Ferns are struggling a bit football Ferns and they are
very very public issues with their with their coach. Not
a great time to be in a Ferns team, Jack,
Let's have some of these teams can turn it around.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Cam Roy Guard is back.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
I just hope looking forward to this.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to all good.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Fingers crossed that he that he comes through unscathed. He's
off the beach today for County's Monaco. He would be
the All Blacks number one half. I think it would
have been this year if he was fit. Definitely, if
he comes through today, go on the Northern.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Tour in a few weeks, will be named in the
All Black squad.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
On Monday for that Northern to A very good player,
very good running with the ball, takes good options. He
had been around the scene for a few years. Jack
didn't have that fantastic Super rugby campaigned last year for
the Hurricanes, made it into the All Black World Cup,
made every post to winner in Test football. So really
looking forward to seeing him come back this afternoon. Hopefully

(19:16):
for his sake, his knee holds together and he can
have a long run, gone good strong run on the
All Black Team.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah too, right, thanks V. That's our Sporto Andrews seven Jack.
I also called into Diego Garcia in the early eighties
when I was in the New Zealand Navy. I was
one of the lucky ones who was allowed to go
to shore because I had a top secret security clearance.
Although we weren't allowed to see much of the base,
we spent most of our time in the US Navy shop.
I think it was called I'm just just buying things

(19:44):
like chewing gum, tobacco, stuff that we don't normally get
in New Zealand. We were certainly told to stay on
the navy base, and I remember when we left there
was a fleet of fishing boats outside the harbor, but
we actually thought they were Russian spy vessels with antennas
bristling all over the upper deck. I want to go
to Diego Garcia. That sounds so interesting. Thank you for

(20:05):
sharing that. This definitely I think we've one thing we've
ascertained this morning is that this is probably going to
be the best way to go to Diego Gia. I
am actually a British citizen, so maybe you know if
the relationship between the Brits and Mauritius is improved as
a result of this week's news. Maybe just have to
join the British military, do a solid teen years there
and who knows the diego Gasia before you die. Befourteen o'clock,

(20:29):
we've got that a delicious, delicious recipe for an eggplant
avocado whip. If you're hosting this this springtime right now,
it's twenty seven minutes to team. We've got movie pecks
for you next.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
Care as long as.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
It's all as Hussy Candy, the Joker, the Joker.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That is Lady Gaga with the Joker. And we are
speaking about jokers this morning because our film with you
at Francisca Rudkin is here killed er, good morning, and
her first film for us this morning is Joker folly
a du.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Two years ago the name Arthur Fleck had got them
like a hurricane.

Speaker 10 (21:25):
When my first son Joker, Oh, I say my life
and felt so alone anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Mmmm. Okay, Francisca, tell us about Joker folly a d.

Speaker 11 (21:43):
Did you see the original Joker was released about twenty nineteen.
Wakin Phoenix was absolutely amazing and it really committed to
the role. The film was very grim it was very visceral,
very violent, very dark. I don't mind films that challenge us.
I struggled with the film though, I felt that it

(22:03):
was so devoid of any hope or any thing positive.
I wasn't sure what it's sort of offered. I wonder
what the point of the film was. It was an
origin story, so we basically learned about who Arthur Flack
was before he became the Joker, and we learned about how.

Speaker 10 (22:19):
He became the Joker.

Speaker 11 (22:20):
He was sort of this insult, this this outsider who
was just abused by anyone and everyone in his life,
and he turned and turns into the psychotic killer. So
with this film, we come back to the Joker's story.
He's in a state hospital awaiting trial for the murders
that we saw him doing the first Joker, and I
once again have that same sort of question. Oh, I'm

(22:44):
not sure what the point of this film was this
time around, though they've turned it into a musical. It's
trying Lady Gaga into the mix and he's awaiting his trial.
It's the trial. He also falls in love with another
inmpatient played by Lady Gaga, and there's all these fantasy
scenes between the two of them, which are the musical
scenes where he sort of sees what his life could

(23:05):
be all or kind of been, or the relationship they
can have. The main question this film asked is is
he insane? Does he have a split personality? Should he
be found guilty because you know, he's just actually an
evil guy who there's no doubt he did the murders,
or actually is he? Is there a reason why he
did them and he should be you know, acquitted for that.

(23:28):
The problem, of course, then becomes is you have this
character called Joker who burnt it's trying to burn down
society and everyone's behind him. If he admits that actually
he is insane it's this disorder. Does that take the
power of the Joker and what he was trying to
do and say about society and that will belive? Does
that diminish that? And as a character he sort of
has to decide And at the end of the day,

(23:49):
I think you kind of get to decide.

Speaker 12 (23:50):
What you think about it.

Speaker 11 (23:52):
But I look, I'm going to be honest, it's grims,
It's another our six team. This is not the kind
of comic book you know, film you think, oh, it'spea
good for the school holidays. We take the kids along.
And I think you probably had to really enjoy the
first film to get something out of this one. I
felt like this one just didn't give us. It just
felt a little bit flat, not sort of enough was
really going on. And once again, Jake, you know I'm

(24:13):
not the biggest musical fan, so maybe you also need
to be able to a fan of the musical interlude
to the number.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Okay, so it's a joker. Next up, let's have a
listen to Will and Harper.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Hi.

Speaker 13 (24:26):
There, I'm Will Ferrell, one of the greatest actors in
the world. A long time ago, back when I was
at Serenai Live, I met a guy who was hired
as a writer the same week I was hired. Over
the years, he became one of my closest friends. And
then one day I got this email, Hey, Will, something
I need you to know. I'll be transitioning to live

(24:49):
as a woman.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Okay, there's a good set up there, So tell us
about Will and Harper.

Speaker 11 (24:54):
So this is a documentary which is currently playing on Netflix.
And this is an example of why comedy is such
a valuable genre.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Jack.

Speaker 11 (25:02):
It allows us to talk about difficult, serious topics that
might make us uncomfortable, you know, it might it helps
us kind of deal with a topic that we might
be curious about but we don't know much about. And
that's pretty much what Will Pharel does in this film.
So Andrew Steele was they started at Saturday Night Live
at the same time. He was a writer, Will was

(25:23):
an actor. And Andrew Steel goes on to become the
head writer for many years at Saturday Night Live. And
I've been friends for thirty years. And at sixty one,
Andrew decides to transition and becomes Harper Steel and tells
Will about this, and so Will's fears sort of thoughts
is okay, that's cool. But then of course he's like, well,

(25:43):
how does this kind of affect our friendship? What does
this kind of mean? How do I deal with this?
And Harper is the kind of person that has always
loved traveling across America, stopping in small towns, love loves dives,
bars and really bad bears, And so Will says to her, Look,

(26:05):
this is how you wanted to live your life.

Speaker 10 (26:07):
I know that you're not how this is what you
love in life.

Speaker 11 (26:10):
I know it's quite hard for you to do this
as happen. Why don't we do it together. Let's cross
the country, let's travel New York, LA. And I'm with you.
Let's go and do this and see how it goes.
And before they left and when they sort of started
this documentary up, but it's been very well produced. When
they started, I think they thought they kind of you know,
set up some gags and thought about some fun things
they could.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Do along the way.

Speaker 11 (26:29):
But then as the sort of carries on, they realized
that just letting it be, you were going to get
the humor, you were going to get the conversations. And
it's just this really lovely story about friendship. And what
I like about it is that although it sort of
feels like it's quite a good production, behind it, Will
himself asks questions as clumsily as you or I might,
you know, like of his friend and what they've been

(26:52):
through and what it's like for them, and how long
we've felt like this, and you know, and asks all
sorts of questions that we're all sort of would be
curious to ask a friend if they had been through
a transition. So you kind of get to share that,
but in a very war amusing sort of accessible way.
It really it really is is a delight and the

(27:13):
two of them to get it. Honestly, it's laugh out
loud funny. At times, they're very but then there's also
a lot of seriousness in here because Will realizes that
actually he's been able to be a buffer for Harper.
You know, he's this fate well most most of the
time people recognize them. Quite often they don't, but you know,
he was able to sort of be a buffer and
as the and it's all sort of about him at first,
but as the film progresses, Half is able to sort

(27:33):
of stand on her own true feet a bit more
and she sort of takes center stage and things. But
they learn a lot as they go. But it's yeah,
it's just really gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Cool, it sounds amazing. Yeah, I like the sound of that.
There's Will and Harper. I'm a long time Will Fairrell fan,
so yeah, it's a bit of me. I reckon Francisca.
We'll make sure that Francisca recommendations are up and available
on the news talk z'd be website. And I'm glad
to see that you agree with her. Jack Golda, Mike
here read the Joker. You can put lipstick on a peg.

(28:02):
But yep, it's still a pig there. I go to
see you, okay, Jack. Further to my Diego Garcia experience,
it consisted of attempting to find the only phone box
on the island. I had to be escorted there to
use my telecomphone cards to make an international phone call
to my colleagues, and sadly that didn't work. Still not
good to get you even if you knew it wasn't

(28:24):
going to work. Good because you get to see it.
But Diego Garcia, Jack, I was in Diego Garcia in
nineteen eighty two with the Navy. We anchored in the
lagoon for two days and were permitted to shore where
we swam in the beautiful waters and we're able to
socialize with some of the US staff. Thank you for
all of the Diego Garcia memories. I'm just delighted that
anyone has heard of it and has been there before.

(28:44):
Ninety two ninety two is our text number if you
want to send me a message, sixteen to ten. We've
got that egg plant avocado whip recipe for you.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Next Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going
through the weekend with Bpure dot co dot inst for
high quality supplements used talksb Ah, this.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is interesting hijack just on a tangent. Can I just say,
Michelle on a tangent to your tangent, how much I
love tangents. And if there is one show that embraces
a tangent, it's this show on a tangent. Anyone who
has been to a un posting before, or who has
been on a military base would love one of the
US PX shops. I think PX stands for Postal Exchange.
It's like a commissarrey, it's like a it's kind of

(29:26):
like a like a US drug store, but it's on
a military base.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
AE.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
We used to buy dom Perrignon for less than twenty
dollars in Damascus and then picnic with it sacrilegiously mixed
with orange juice, says Michelle. Yeah, that is That's pretty
amazing and I'm sure there'll be people who are screaming
at their radios right now. Thank you, Michelle ninety two
ninety two. If you want to send us a message,
it's thirteen to ten on newstalk s d B and
Margo Flanagan, who's of course one of the two Raw

(29:52):
sisters is with us this morning.

Speaker 11 (29:54):
Killed a Killed a Jack.

Speaker 14 (29:56):
How's it going?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Very very well? Thank you. I'm so excited because you
have a delicious spring adjacent recipe for us this morning
from your new book More Salad and egg Plant an
avocado whip whip.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
Yes, this is such a banger. I love this recipee.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
So where would you serve this like?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
This?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Is?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
This is the sort of thing that if you are
having a little barbecue or something and you can get
your hands on some good eggplants at this time of year,
this would be a good option.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
Yeah, for sure, it can be any occasion. I think
that's what I love about the threepm. Why we chose
to do it on this show, because it's a great
veg side to a delicious protein. It's a great starter
you could save with some showado. There's so many different options.
You can have it with corn chips, you can do
it on toast like It's just the options are endless.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Now that sounds that sounds awesome. Okay, run us through it.
How do we make it sure?

Speaker 7 (30:49):
So we start off with our eggplants, so within more salid.
What we've done is we've done a workshop on every page.
So that's kind of the point of difference between our
five others or our four other cookbooks. So if you
don't have eggplant, or eggplants are really expensive, in the
swap for this recipee, we've said if you can swap
eggplants with roasted spring carrots or I mean, if we're

(31:10):
in winter. We're not now, but you could do pumpkin
or yams, or you can refer to us what with
the Season's Guide and more salads for more options. So
with the egg plant, cut it up, chuck it on
a baking tray. And with eggplant, the key is lots
of oil. Always add more than what you think, because
a lot of people hate eggplant because it's really rubbery,

(31:31):
but it's because you're not adding enough oil. So make
sure you add about three to four tablespoons of oil.
Pop it in a preheated oven at two hundred degrees
for about twenty five to thirty minutes, and you'll have
the most amazing, soft, delicious eggplant. So while that's in
the oven, we're going to make the avocado whips. But
in this whip, we've got one avocado, We've got one

(31:52):
cup of fresh herbs, so herbs and in more salad.
We've just ridden herbs. So that can be anything you have,
whether it's mint, basil, parsley, coriander, can be a mixture
of a couple. Just do whatever you've got at home.
You've got extraversion olive oil, hulld to heni so to henie.
A lot of people don't like to heni. But if

(32:13):
you don't like it, because you're probably getting the wrong one.
So make sure you're always getting hulled. And then we've
got garlic, lemon and sea salt. So if you don't well,
this whip is a great way to use your bad avocado.
So if you open it and it's not that slash,
make this recipe. It's great. Or you could use a
cup of green peas or in amami beans as well.

(32:34):
If you don't have EVO, So your eggplants roasted, your
avocado whips done, Spread the avowep on a flat plate
top with your delicious roasted egg plant and then crumble
over some fetter, fresh herbs, docker extraversion olive oil and
Bob's your uncle.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Easy?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (32:53):
Just reastpee takes thirty minutes, serves four to six.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh yeah, wouldn't in my house to serve one to
two serve me.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
I know that's actually a thing in my house too.
It's always like, oh shit, that is meant to serve
for but beaten it. So and we've got a delicious
with with every recipe and more salad as well. So
on this resp it says this is delicious with our tomatoes,
basil and crousions. And it would be great with chicken
or seafood.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, oh it sounds so good. So your books out
now as well, right more salad? Hell yeah, yeah, hell.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
Yea, So get it from any bookshop. It's the book
to have this summer.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, that sounds very It sounds sounds amazing. Thank you
so much, Mago. We'll make sure that recipe too for
the a plant and avocado whip is it is more
fun to eat than it is to say. That's what
I'll say. We'll make sure that that is up and
available on our website as well. Right now, it is
nine minutes to ten on Newstalk CD.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
My casking Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Person for all of our listeners who might not have
heard of it before or maybe recognize the name, tell
us a little bit about.

Speaker 15 (34:03):
Tucky Door Tucky Theater was in its prime heyday was
in Wellington and it's where, for those who may not know,
I did a film called Once We're Warriors thirty years
ago and this theater space, which was first called Depot Theater,

(34:27):
provided us with a space where that nurtured Maldi talent, writers, actors.
I first got involved when I was invited down by
Jim Moriarty to do the first ever theatre at I season,
which was in nineteen ninety. We were going through the
one hundred and fifty year celebration of Teddy t Or

(34:50):
White Tonguey So and it was Maldy doing everything acting, writing, producing,
directing drama. And I thought, oh, I've got to come
and live in Wellington because this is where theater is
and as an actor you've got to learn your craft.
And so this space was there during that time of

(35:11):
pivotal changes, which we had a wonderful fabric of comata
who were mostly women, so I call them the founding mothers.
Kitty Cartunya Baker, Sunny, Amy Roner, all of these women
who literally most creative artists have a space for humanity

(35:32):
rather than politics. So they're not afraid, they're not thinking
about political things. They're thinking, hey, we need to this
is a season where we need to start creating and
dedicating the space to the Maldi voice, to Maldi stories.
And the following year, nineteen ninety one is when they
did the renaming ceremony of changing the depot is what

(35:53):
it was called to Takiua, the weaving of two. That
same year, play Market published a book head air Hoe,
which was five plays by Maldi playwrights. So a lot
of us came out of that stable. A lot of
us learned our craft there before tuky Do though theater
I was first started in New Zealand with Don Soarwyn

(36:15):
and Mary padoing there to Birdier series, which is where
I met Leta Mahori and do We're Brown? And I
had gone to drama school in London, and it's a
craft people. I couldn't have done what I did with
Beth Heckare without learning my craft. And all those years
of theater and so takey Door gave us that space
to write plays. I wanted to work with weak Cookie Car,

(36:35):
so I wrote a play called Daddy's Girl so I
could work with weak Cookie Car. I drama turned, I
stage managed, I directed, I produced. We all did everything
to create this vibrant theater space and it became hugely successful.
We had full houses, every show was full, and then
eventually it transformed into a company that lost its building

(36:59):
but went on to become a huge commercial success, which
is not easy to do in the world of theater.
It's not a lot of money in theater.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
We do it for love commercial success in theater in
the same time, No, they're not.

Speaker 15 (37:11):
I waited tables, I cleaned toilets, I did all those
jobs that other actors do to pay the bills while
I was doing my passion. But it's where I learned
my craft. I also futtyn Or Noddle, which is a
big part of the documentary, took you to a breaking
barriers when it all my handed over the reins for

(37:32):
me to play the role of Ruby. That is still
to this date one of the best pieces of theater
I have ever worked on. And it links into Once
Were Warriors because we toured futting A Noddle Wellington to
Auckland into the Adelaide Theater Festival and I had heard
that Communicado had the rights for Once Were Warriors and

(37:54):
having read the book I knew that that was going
to be a role to die for, which I literally did.
But I actually had the audacity of my youth thring
them up and say, oh, Kilder, my name's Renna Owen
and I'm in this play called Futo not or not
All when I'm playing Ruby, and Ruby's a character that's
a lot like Beth heickeett. I would love look if
I bought you tickets, would you come and see the

(38:14):
play and see my work? And Ross Jennings, who was
a partner of their communicator, he came, wow, and he said, yeah,
you'd be really good for me. Well, I had to
an audition the following year, but that was part of it.
That was absolutely part of the process. But a year
before then was actually my first encounter was with Alan

(38:34):
duff in the Book and Dylan's Bookstore. Because they knew
our co op Tucky to a co op did Malori
acting Malori directing. They asked me if i'd present a
reading of his second novel, One Night Out Out Stealing,
and so I did, and my Maldi actor didn't show up,
so I ended up having to read this extract and
Allen thought the whole idea of this presentation was a

(38:56):
bit ardie fardi. But once I started to read, he
turned around and he watched and he listened, and he
came up and he said to me, he said, how
did you do that? You read it? You read it
exactly the way I wrote it. How did you do that?
And I said, I'm an actor? And he said, have
you ever read my book?

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Once?

Speaker 15 (39:13):
We're worries because you'd make a great Beth. And he
got a copy of the publisher and he signed in
it to Renna maybe my Beth, I hope. So so
that started. Then, yes, and then with tATu nudd or
nuddle thanks to me working at Takidua and tuky do
you employed us? Okay, we may not have made the

(39:34):
big bucks, but it gave us work. And when you're
growing and learning as a writer or an actor or
a director or a dramatri, you've got to do it.
It's like any craft. The more you do it, the
better you get. And I highly recommend theater to young
actors because it's not so much about vanity or ego
or having your photo on a magazine or being famous.

(39:56):
It's about craft. It's about the one oh ones of
what this industry is all about, which has been a
storyteller and being able to tell a story and draw
in an audience and then touching their minds, their hearts
and telling a story.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Thirty years, Yes, Once We're Warriors. How do you reflect
on that?

Speaker 15 (40:17):
Ah, it's kind of yess, you go wow. Thirty years
it went golf, Yes, it went fast. And a couple
of things have happened this year. One Timothy has done
a re release of the actual vinyl the soundtrack for

(40:38):
Once We're Warriors, and it's pretty damn cool and it's
it's just brilliant that he's doing it because we've gone
back to vinyl. Also to Once We're Warriors has been
on it at the Hawaii International Film Festival next week,
tim is going to be over there. I can't make
it because I'm working on Moana and so I've got

(40:59):
to go back to Atlanta, Georgia. But for anyone who's
still interested in vinyl, the oldie and the newbies are
flyingout Records dot com sorry, dot co dot NZ re
releasing the Ones We're Warriors soundtrack at the end of October,
and this documentary, which I'm a small part of, comes

(41:22):
out later this year in November, and you know, Fetu
has done a wonderful job because it's I'm working on
a work in progress, a documentary about once We're Warriors
and the whole theme being more than the movie? What
does it take to make more than the movie? And
it's very hard to choose when you've got so much

(41:44):
material and resources to choose from. What do you pick?
What do you include to tell your story? And she's
done a great job of bringing in the old and
some of the old footage and definitely honoring our co
Martr who will all Co mart to us young people
back then and still are sunny. Amy's still kicking well

(42:04):
into her nineties. And then she's touched on a lot
of the things that happened in that seminal period, and
touched on a lot of the new actors and re enacting,
you know, scenes from plays that were incredibly successful, like
Fat or No, like Tehuki Note which was there. We

(42:25):
are Brown Ewan Brown. Our relationship started, you know TV
for Airti Birdier for TV one and then at Take
Do and then we all ended up working on Warriors,
and so it's it's like Taki Doua, the weaving of
two threads. You know, all these threads come together and
one thing. It's really hit home this year, thirty years

(42:47):
because I do have the privilege of being Grandma Tala
in Muana, the live action film. I've had so many
of our extras and our principal dancers. Everyone has to
be Polynesian, and some of them live in America, some
of them came off the Islands. We've got Hawaiians, We've
got Tonguans, we've got Morns, We've got just everyone a

(43:08):
great representation, and so many of them have come up
to me and said, thank you. I wouldn't be here
today if it wasn't for once. We're warriors, you know,
or thank you for paving the way, or thank you
for opening the door, because you know, Jack for my life.
As a creative kid growing up, I had a vivid imagination.

(43:31):
I was overly emotional. I was first published when I
was eight in a poetry contest. I was in the
Kappa Huker group. I found my place on the stage
in Bay of Islands High school musicals, and I knew
as Arangitai as a young person, that this was my
place in the world. I couldn't be an actor at
the end of the seventies because I had no role models,

(43:54):
and as a woman, my career options were a secretary, teacher,
or nurse. So I trained as a nurse and you know,
but and qualified and I got back into acting because
that's what was in my heart, that is my passion.
So to now be a role model for all of
those And there is an incredibly extraordinary amount of Polynesian

(44:14):
talent here in New Zealand and then the South Pacific.
And what we have going for us as a nation
is this is the largest Polynesian city in the world.
It's our most unique Our Polynesian heritage, our cultures is
what makes our country unique and different.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
So let's let's celebrate the Yeah. I just feel like
there's a you were speaking about threads, right, and I
feel like you can step it out right. You can
go from Taky to through to Once Warriors, all the
way through to Muana today, like there is a consistent
line there. Yes, and like you think about the last

(44:54):
four decades, say that is an amazing progression.

Speaker 15 (44:59):
Don't you think it's an incredible progression? And it's it's
it's it's like a fucker Poppa ye it's all I
lead to this moment in time, and all of us
working on Muana, we have no doubts that we've all
been called to this moment in time because this is huge.
It's going to be the biggest Polynesian film in the world,

(45:21):
and we've all risen to it. And as I shared
with our young cast and crew, you know, there's a
great multifucker Toky, which means I'm not the strength of one,
but I'm the strength of many. So with me comes
all my Tupuna Kawiti, my father, my friends, Taki Doua,
all the my mentors who everybody who invested in me

(45:44):
to become the actor that I am today. I stand
there with all of them. So we are a big
part of this fabric. And I have enormous confidence in
our at our future generations watch out, because they're growing
up with things that the likes of my generation didn't
have access to. You know, there growing up, you know,

(46:08):
with the stories of Once Were Warriors that are now
all out of the wardrobes. Thank goodness, because these are
all issues, which is where the documentary I'm going to
make about Once We're Warriors is still relevant. Is that
all of the things that were portrayed in this film
are still happening today. We lost to Maldi children this
year to violence, you know, these things, sexual abuse, these

(46:34):
issues are still happening. And that's the privilege of being
an artist, as you get to try your best to
represent a slice of humanity. And I knew this film
right back when I read the book. I thought, wow,
because my generation and generations before me, my mother's are
other generations. They didn't have domestic violence outreaches to go to.

(46:57):
They suffered in silence till death. Do you apart?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
You know.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
So it's a.

Speaker 15 (47:03):
Profound privilege to be a storyteller. I am indebted to
Anne Mitchell in London and the Actors' Institute in London,
and here to Don Sour and Larry Parr to the
Air to be at their series Too Tucky Doer, because
these became my stables. They were the place where I,

(47:24):
you know, I found my place. I belonged because growing
up I was one of those little, skinny, little kids,
vulnerable kids who was different and unusual, and I got
beaten and bullied because I think a lot of our
creatives and our hyper sensitive children, we're easy targets. For bullies,
you know. So just the only thing I'd like to

(47:48):
leave with our young listeners is you can't be what
you're not. You've got to be what you're born to be.
And so I'm thankfully thanks to people like Tuket institutions
like Tukey Doer who are still doing it by the ways,
they're still doing their outreach work in schools and communities
and giving Maldy and Polynesians and Pakia everyone opportunities to

(48:10):
come and be a part of theater. It's where we began,
It's where mouldidum is Marai is our theater. We come out,
we come out what's our first language, Jack Week, come
out screaming and crying. And here's the irony. Me being
so emotional as a kid was not easy on my
mother Yea, or some of my brothers and sisters. But
the irony is is now I get paid to right.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
It is such a pleasure to speak. Honestly, we could
go all day. Congratulations on Moana, which you're about to
leave to but also thank you so much for the
story that you have helped to tell with Taky Dour
as well. It's so good to see you.

Speaker 15 (48:47):
Thank you, Jack and thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Hockey that is Rena Owen tuky Do is going to
be released in November. We'll have all of the details
on the news talks. He'd be website. It's twenty three
past ten.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack
Day and vpure dot Co. Do ont inst for high
qualities supplements used talks.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
He'd be twenty six ars ten. You're a Jack Taime
on news Talks. He'db Jack, What an incredible woman. That
was an inspiring interview. Thank you, Thank you. Ninety two
ninety two. If you want to send us a message
this morning, it is screen Timetime Tara Awards our screen
time expert here with her three shows to recommend to
us this weekend. Hey Tara, good morning. Let's begin with
a show on Neon tell us about Joan.

Speaker 10 (49:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (49:29):
This is a great new British crime thriller and it's
based on a true story about a woman who became
the most notorious jewel thief in Britain during the nineteen eighties.
And her name was Joan Hannington and she's played here
by Sophie Turner from Game of Thrones, who is fantastic
in this. Joan is a young mother in her twenties
when she leaves her violent husband and goes to London

(49:52):
where she tries to find a job at a home
for her daughter. It's not easy, and she talks her
way into getting a job in a jewelry shop. Joan
is someone who knows an opportunity when she sees one.
She's very clever and smart, and she decides to steal
some loose diamonds and then has this chance meeting with
an antiques stealer and they team up to sell on

(50:13):
these jewels and become this force to be reckoned with
within the organized crime world in Britain. And it's a
real rags to rich's tail and a lot of fun
to watch. Joan is this great anti hero. She's a
good person who makes some bad decisions, but you're always
on her side. She gets to wear all these different disguises,
she gets to be a lot of different people. And

(50:34):
the show has gone really hard on recreating the eighties
with the costumes and the set music. It's just fabulous
and it's such an incredible story and they've recreated it
in a very entertaining, very bingeable way.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I really like this one awesome. Okay, that's Joan. That's
on Neon on Disney plus Last Days of the Space Age.

Speaker 16 (50:55):
This is a new Australian drama and a bit like Joan.
This is a drama set in quite a nostalgic time
in place. This is set in Western Australia in the
late nineteen seventies and it's about three families who live
in the same suburb and it takes place against these
two big events that actually happened. One was the Miss
Universe competition coming to Perth in nineteen seventy nine and

(51:17):
the other was the US space station Skylab crashing to
the ground near town. So the show takes these two
big world events and places them against these the lives
of these suburban families, and it's looking back on that
time with some rose tinted glasses on. This is very nostalgic.
It's quite a gentle show. It's trying to say a

(51:38):
lot of different things about Australian society at that time,
and I'm not sure it completely pulls it off. It's
almost trying to do too much. But if you like
a warm, gentle, nostalgic TV series that takes you back
to a certain time of place.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
This will do that.

Speaker 16 (51:52):
I mean, it's a Disney show, but I feel like
this would fit in really well in sort of a
TV one Sunday night kind of slot. It's that kind
of vibe. And it has this great cast as well.
There's some amazing acting talent in here. Radha Mitchell, Jesse Spencer, Mailman,
Ed Glenn So there's a lot of talent here and
they really lift the show.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
It's nice, okay, cool and on Neon. Brilliant Minds.

Speaker 16 (52:15):
Yeah, this is the latest American medical drama that's just
come to Neon. And if you love shows like House
the Good Doctor, I know that's a favorite one of yours, Jack,
you'll love the Brilliant Minds. And so often with these
kinds of medical shows, you have this genius, brilliant doctor
at the center of it who's a bit of a
renegade or who uses unorthodox methods, and you know, we'll
do whatever it takes to crack those and serious cases

(52:38):
exactly that keeps turning up at the hospital. And this
is another one of those shows. It's inspired by a
real neurologist and the main character is doctor Oliver Wolfe,
who in the first five minutes of the show, smuggles
and Alzheimer's patient out of hospital takes him on a
motorbike to his granddaughter's wedding where he doesn't recognize anyone,
but he still sings at the wedding because he can

(52:59):
remember music and song. And Doctor Oliver is that kind
of guy. He will break the rules if it means
he can connect with his patients a different way, even
if it gets some fired. So you know, it's a
great little medical drama. It's one of those cases by
the case of the Week kind of shows. Yeah, so
it's not doing anything new, but very.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Watchable, nice cool. So that's Brilliant Minds. That's on Neon.
Joan is also on Neon. That's the British crime series,
and Last Days of the Space Age is on Disney
Plus Atara. I excuse my forgetfulness, but I should have
asked immediately, is everything okay your place because you're in
you're in Otaga right, Yes.

Speaker 16 (53:33):
We're in Ternedin. We're very lucky. Everything's fine here and
the rain has stopped, which is great after about forty
eight hours of solid rain, so that's really good news.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, Well, we're thinking of everyone who's been affected, and
hoping that people whose houses have been evacuated can go
home soon. But thank you so much for your recommendations
this morning as well. We'll put all of those up
on the news talks HEV website before eleven o'clock. What
to do if you find yourself with a surprise win fall,
if you win lotto, come to a big inheritance, you
don't what to do with all that money. It's a

(54:04):
problem I would like to have, but it is a problem.
It is a problem, So we'll give you some advice
very soon.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on news talks.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Be you've seen enough to know how deep we're but
with you, fair, but with you we have come through
the darker church and flu Tue a new and briport.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
This is Louis Baker. Ah that voice, that voice. He's
one of New Zealand's highest profile independent artists, a soul sensation,
a hometown favorite in Wellington. He's known for blending his
retro influences with modern sonics and he's just got that
timeless voice. It's beautiful anyway. He's just about to set
off on a massive UK and European tour, and he's

(55:04):
just dropped some fresh tunes before he goes. It's his
first time that he has produced an EP as a
solo producer as well. So anyway, we're going to take
a bit more of a listen to some of Louie
Baker's new music and we'll catch up with our music reviews.
She's going to give us her thoughts before midday today. Hey,
thanks for your feedback. Jack, what an amazing orator. Renna
owner is one of the best, if not the best ever.

(55:25):
Such a talent. Jack. That was an absolutely fabulous interview
with Thank you so much as Catherine Jack omg Rena. Wow, wow, wow,
thank you ninety two ninety two. If you want to
send us a message twenty five to eleven non news talks,
he'd be putting.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, some Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (55:42):
The report out in Sydney into their new metro line. Now,
this is the twenty one billion dollar behemoth and was
going to transform allegedly Sydney public transport and it seems
at first report to be working. Now the trouble with
transport here Wellington famously hopelessly the bus has went up
the wrong streets, ran out of gas, never turned up
in the first place. Now they'll claim all that's fixed
now Auckland buses have been hit and this forever, I
mean our kids over the years eventually refused to go

(56:04):
on a bus at all for the simple reason they
literally took up. The trains are permanently canceled still for
never ending schedules of maintenance. So the theory has never
met the reality. And in that consistency and ensuing reputation
for reliability is the real answer for the public transport conundrums.
Back Monday, from six am, the Mike asking Breakfast with
the Jaguar spage used talk ZB twenty.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Two minutes to eleven non news Talk ZEDBU with Jack
tame So. In the United States, America's biggest news website,
CNN's website has just started rolling out its paywall. Texbert
Paul Stenhouse is here with the details. Gout of Paul.

Speaker 18 (56:40):
Yeah, this has been I guess a long time coming, actually, Jack,
because we've been seeing CNN's viewership on TV.

Speaker 19 (56:47):
Fall and fall and fall over the years.

Speaker 18 (56:50):
And the big question is how do you pay for
such an expansive news operation? Because when they go to
something this is a crazy start, right, I want to
see any anchors said in an interview that when they
went to each of the Republican national Conventions and the
Democrat National Convention, CNN.

Speaker 19 (57:08):
Sent three hundred people. Three hundred people. Now that's just
one event. Think of all of the news events going
on in the United States and around the world.

Speaker 18 (57:20):
And they used to do it by obviously these massive
TV ratings and getting all these big fees from all
the cable providers and that type of thing.

Speaker 19 (57:27):
It's gone away, and so CNN has been grappling with
what do you do?

Speaker 18 (57:32):
They aren't getting enough money from advertising on their news website,
and so now they've started rolling out a paywall. We've
assumed this is coming why because CNN CEO is a
new guy who came from a place called The New
York Times, where he rolled out a paywall via and
basically it's become the envy of the news industry over here.

(57:53):
They've got ten million digital subscribers who are basically paying
for the Times journalism. CNN currently has one hundred and
seventeen million unique viewers each month on their digital platforms,
so they will really be hoping they can try to
convert as many of those as they can to fuel

(58:14):
their whole operation. Yeah moment, they're not doing it for everybody.
They're rolling it out in a very slow, slow way,
just like The Times did. Actually targeting the most heavy
users of seen in dot com at the moment, only
in the United States, and they're asking them to pay four.

Speaker 19 (58:30):
Bucks a month for access. Right, Okay, they're starting, that's
their starting.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Hmmm. Interesting that they've decided to do it now, right,
And I get it, making news, especially video news, is
super super expensive. But what's your sense as a news
junkie and a tech junkie. Do you reckon this is
going to work?

Speaker 19 (58:51):
I mean, they have to do something right. It worked
for The Times, but it worked.

Speaker 11 (58:55):
For the Time.

Speaker 18 (58:56):
Very different though, because The Times has gone into a
whole lot of other categories that you can subscribe to cooking.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Like yeah, recipes, yeah, wordle and all games yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 18 (59:06):
Seeing's really tricky and especially just before an election, they
say that they are going to give you additional perks
if you're one of the subscribers, to get access to
things that other people might not. C and M's biggest
challenge is people turn to see him. When there's big
stories going on, people stem tend to stick with the
times day in and day out. That's the challenge.

Speaker 19 (59:30):
But they've got the guy for the job. If he's
done it once, that's true, that's true, says maybe he
can do it again.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
It's going to be very interesting to see how that
works out. Thanks Paul. That's our Textbert Paul Stenhouse before
eleven o'clock when the garden rude climb past has the
things you need to get in the ground now, your tomatoes,
your spuds ahead of the spring and summer ahead. Right
now is nineteen to eleven.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and Bepwart
dot co dot nzen for high quality Supplements used Talks.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
MB seventeen to eleven, which means it's time to talk
personal finance. Lisa Dudson's here Kelder morning Jack. Well, we're
calling this a problem, but really, is it so such
a problem If you have a sudden win fall, if
you come into sudden money. It's put it this way,
it's the kind of problem I would like to have. Lisa, Yes, but.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
You're reason resceptible with money jack. So it's really interesting
because when you look at the steps around the people
that win lotto, for instance, and how many have still
got their money years later, it's actually quite standing. A
lot of people lose it because they don't I can't
really understand what to do with it in the relationship
between how much money they've got and what the spin
then actually means. So you know, I think that your

(01:00:37):
best advice is to subviosly take a brief celebrate, don't
you carried away? And then you know the next step
is going to get some professional advice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, okay, And what would you advise someone who had
come into a significant whinfo all come into sudden money?
What would you advise them to do once they had
a little bit of a moment, How should they assess
what decisions to make going forward?

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
So I think you know, absolutely go on to assertiably
qualify financial advisor. I can give you some guidance and
some of you can respect and connect them. Otherwise you
might kind of not listen to them and dismiss the
mind it forgive you. And then it's about thinking about
your current financial position and your current life and then
go what would you actually like to achieve and what
do you think would be the best use of your

(01:01:19):
wom for And then you can go to you know,
to a professional and go, okay, this is what I think.
What are the best options that are.

Speaker 10 (01:01:26):
Available to me?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Because we don't know what we don't know, right, And
there's often lots of options, and some of them have
fishalos and some of them relate to better to your
persons circumstances and bolves than what they would to someone else's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, because I can imagine, I can imagine there is
a bit of a risk in going two ways. Right,
So you hear about those horror stories you hear about
someone who won millions of dollars or the classic ones,
a professional athlete, right who gets he heads of money
and then years later is somehow you know, Boris Becker
or something is in some dire financial situation. But then
I suppose there's also a risk that people who aren't

(01:02:00):
used to having money are so conservative that actually they
miss out on some of the opportunities that having that
windfull might provide them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yes, absolutely, I mean it's a huge risk, and you
know you do.

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
There's a clasic.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Example about professional skills and also to a lot of
professional sports it as an example, are quite young, so
they they don't really have a lot of life experience.
But it comes back to having a financial advisor that
you can actually that you like and respect because they
can actually be your guide through this journey and how
you manage your money effectively and hopefully stop you from

(01:02:33):
doing dumblings, which is what a lot of people do
when they get some winnfle And I think the other
challenge too is a lot of people who come knocking
on the door. Your friends and family suddenly become your
best friends and either want payouts or try to give
you advice on their very limited knowledge as they actually have,
and they continue down the garden.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
So what would you tell people to do then? If someone,
if someone secretly came into or it wasn't publicized, came
into a large sum of money, would you tell them
not to tell anyone?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I think I would tell them to be careful about
who they told and about how they displayed their wealth. Yes, right,
because auditioning it out and having been parties and all
the rest of it comes might go on which they're
pretty free with it and come knocking. So I think
it comes back to being sensible. It's such an amazing
opportunity when you do get at the sun windful that

(01:03:23):
you want to be smart with how you use it,
and like if you invest it, why wisely you might
pay off a mortgage, you might have a great overseas holiday.
And then if you invest at Winsley, then you've got
money for the rest of your life and the potentially
can grow and help more people rather than just giving
it away straight away.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Yeah, sorry, you go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
I was just going to say, you know, often the
challenges is that when you haven't earned it and done
the hard yards, often people can be quite free with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Money, right okay, Yeah, and there'd be much more loosey
goosey than they would have been if they'd been paying
tax on their earnings for forty years to get to
that position, yeah, and grasping.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
It out because then they know the value of that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Whereas when you could get this large sum of money
getting between when you're young and you go great, you know, yeah,
first class travel around the world. And it also is
around the context of how much you were the ones
all right, if it's five hundred thousand, that's one because
that might be enough to play off you more, which
if you live in all plats right where if it's
five million, that's different, that's different context around it. So

(01:04:27):
it all comes down to the amount where you are
now what you want to do, and you've just been
taking a breath and getting some good advice and you're
not doing dumb stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That's really really good advice.

Speaker 14 (01:04:37):
Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
So I think what we will do is just because
I know listeners will be really interested in this, if
there's anyone out there right now who would like to
invest in me so that we can get a real
life kind of example of how this might work. I
think Lisa and I are both when you say that
we're open to that. You know, we we can follow
this through the different stages. I can share my progress.
Perhaps that could be a little option for anyone listening
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Yeah, it's a great idea because you know it's tough
for people sometimes, you know, they don't know where to
go for you to talk to, right yod it's super important.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Thanks Lisa. That is Lisa duds And yea, if you
have five million dollars that you want to give me,
ninety two ninety two is the best place to start.
Send us a text. I can assure you that my
wonderful producer, Libby will immediately get in touch. Leven to eleven.
You're a Jacktaime on news Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
News.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
You can trust this this morning, Hi Google.

Speaker 12 (01:05:31):
Hi Jack. That was a bit of a throwback to
the nineteen seventies. Google Stephenson.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Oh sorry, I said, did I say Dogle Stephenson?

Speaker 12 (01:05:39):
You were thinking about that? You were thinking about the
news I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Was thinking about I was thinking about broadcasters who define
what it means to have gravitas, Google, That's what I
was thinking about. I was thinking about the silky voices
that have that have illustrated momentous moments in our nation's
history and yours.

Speaker 12 (01:05:56):
Just you know, right, yeah, right, you wriggled yourself out
of there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I'm sorry for that part. Yeah, it's a very common thing.

Speaker 12 (01:06:04):
It's a very common thaing.

Speaker 19 (01:06:05):
Do you get there?

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Do you get that a lot?

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Yeah, I do, Yeah, yeah, I do.

Speaker 12 (01:06:08):
People particularly, yeah, particularly people who are you know, who
remember Google Stevenson from the news, will often because my
name is so similar, Google Southerm and Google Stevenson up
so similar, and people go on Google with Stevenson.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Isn't it like, Yeah, well no, not quite that old,
but yeah, yeah, that's right anyway. Hey, So, so the
latest tranch of census data has been released this week
and there were some really interesting numbers. Heaps of different
subjects covered, but there was a lot of data on
how we are working, and so one in six New Zealanders,
according to the latest data, are now working from home.

(01:06:40):
But the number of people working from home most of
the time has increased almost sixty percent between twenty eighteen
and twenty twenty three. That just shows you, what, you know,
what the pandemic has done for the way in which
we work. What did you Was that at all surprising
to you that those kind of numbers.

Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
No, I don't think so, you know, it's it's so
much of it has been prevalent since since COVID. But
it's interesting because the history of working from home like
takes back way before COVID. I like to think it
was kind of the best kept secret prior to COVID. Yeah,
and then people discovered it and went, well, look at

(01:07:19):
this crazy thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, and me.

Speaker 12 (01:07:22):
Included like, I'd never done it before and it was
a little tricky, but yeah, over COVID and it's just yeah,
and it's just so, So it doesn't surprise me that
that those that number is really about the number of
people doing it. Yeah, And look, I think it's a
good thing, not working from home full time. But i'd
staatenly claim on saying that hybrid working is the best

(01:07:44):
for people's well being and the best for people's productivity.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Well, I've said before that for me personally, a hybrid
model works really well. I like being in the office.
I really love engaging with people, but I also love
being able to If I've got to focus on something
where I need to read a lot and I need
to be on detail, I need to not be interrupted
every two minutes, then working from home is fantastic. So
I try and do it one day, one day week
I can, if I can, so talk to us about

(01:08:09):
that change, because you know that, like you say, working
from home has become more common after COVID, but research
in this space has been underway for decades.

Speaker 12 (01:08:21):
Yeah, it has been. I mean it really kicked off
obviously after COVID and during COVID because so many of
us started doing it. But people that have been researching
this area for twenty years or so, and then there
has been some really good New Zealand research too. Like
you know, often we go, oh, well that's overseas, it
won't work here. But Jared harr Out of Massy Uni, yeah,
has consistently studied us for about the last four years,

(01:08:44):
and all the research really points to that mix. As
you noted, really that hybrid model, you know, one two
three days maybe at home and the other you know
two three days at work is really the best model
you get that you get that that lovely mix of
still socially interacting and team involvement and collaboration, but also

(01:09:04):
the opportunity to have some more focused time. But also
people talk about the work life balance, you know, when
you're at home, Like this is for me personally. I
work from home maybe two days a week, two or three,
and when I'm at home, I just feel like I
just feel more relaxed. I get a lot. To be honest,
I probably get more work done when I'm at home
than I do at work. Comes really more productive, even

(01:09:27):
though I am getting up and doing the washing and
taking the dogs for the walk and all that kind
of thing. Yeah, but it's way more effective than either
one hundred percent at home or one hundred percent in
the office.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
We'll talk to us about those options. So what are
the disadvantages for working from home one hundred percent of
the time.

Speaker 12 (01:09:46):
Yeah, the disadvantage of that is that those people tend
to report more isolation, you know, lower mood, which is
probably collected to the isolation and the potential to overwork
and burn out. And that's possibly because lots of us

(01:10:06):
when we work at home, you know, you tend to
start earlier in the morning because you don't have to
do a commute ye and then you tend to go
later into the evening because there isn't that there aren't
no social cues around you to say, okay, it's the
end of the day and you just woh, I'll just
do this a little bit more and all of that's
six thirty and you think, gee, I should have finished
about half an hour ago. So that's that's the working

(01:10:28):
from home full time, and the working from the office
full time isn't in terms of productivity, we just lose
productivity when we're in the office full time. You know,
we get interrupted, we go out for coffee, you know,
we have those water cooler chat and those things are important.
I'm not trying to say that those are a waste

(01:10:49):
of time. They are important, but if you do them
too much, you end up not being super productive because
there's lots of interruptions and you stop, start and all
those sorts of things. So yeah, one hundred percent either
way is not great that but that it's the Goldilock
so principle. I guess it's that right sweet spot in
the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yeah, I totally. I mean, like I said, works for me.
So if there, if you were to be critical, is
there any disadvantage to the Goldilocks model, any disadvantage to
the to the hybrid model.

Speaker 12 (01:11:20):
Possibly not for the people though who are able to
do it. A disadvantage is that some people can't work
from home. Their jobs don't allow us. Yeah, you know,
if you're a tradee it's kind of difficult. It's kind
of difficult to be a plumber and work from home
on somebody else's plumbing. And it can have the potential

(01:11:41):
even within a workplace, like if some people in a
workplace can work from home and some can't, it can
have the sense of almost two classes of workers and
one who are sort of well, we can work from home,
and the others who can't and that can create a
bit of division. I think there are probably clever ways
around that, but I think that is that is a
bit of a downside. Are those are those people that

(01:12:02):
don't have the opportunity to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Yeah, well said Hey, thanks Dogle. That is Google Sutherland,
who is of course with Umbrella Well Being, will put
all of his tips there and thoughts. I'm working from
home on the news talks he b website. Thanks for feedback.
We've had gazillions of messages and texts and emails and
everything throughout the morning. So we started the show by
talking about Diego Garcia, which is this little atoll in

(01:12:25):
the Indian Ocean. I reckon if you were to draw
line that's kind of directly under India, basically halfway across
the Indian Ocean between Tanzania and Indonesia. That's where Diego
Garcia has got a really mixed history, no indigenous people,
but had people who were the descendants of slaves living
there for several hundred years. They all got shipped off

(01:12:46):
in the nineteen sixties because the UK and the US
wanted to build a mega and very secret military base there.
In the decades since, I think Only a couple of
journalists have ever been able to visit. You're not allowed
to go there as a tourist. The only people there
are working on the base. And anyway, this week the
UK announced that sovereignty for Diego Garcia would be passing

(01:13:07):
back to Mauritius. Mauritius had had a claim on Diego
Garcia for many years. It's been the subject of terse negotiations.
The military base is going to stay for at least
the next one hundred years, but technically Mauritius does have
sovereignty over Diego Garcia. Anyway, many of you have flicked
us notes about about that this morning. Jack absolutely loved

(01:13:30):
your little editorial this morning. Regarding maps. There is a
great little shop in christ Church, tucked anonymously behind two
car yards at the western end of Morehouse, have holding
on by the tips of its fingers to stay afloat.
I suspect it's the map fanatics like you of this world,
the armchair travelers and the topography nerds that provide it

(01:13:50):
with economic sustenance. In one of my frequent forays, I
discovered the pocket Atlas of Remote Islands by Judith Lansky
Clipperton Atoll, Floriana, Diego, Garcia, Bouvet, Deception, Tromelion. The lists
so goes on this wee gem is subtitled fifty Islands
I've not visited and never will. Let the map viewers

(01:14:12):
of the world rejoice, says Ann. That's a great little tip.
And I've seen that book, the Pocket Outlass of Remote Islands. Indeed,
it is a beautiful little book. And I believe you're
talking about map World. I can tell you I've spent
a bit of time in map World over the years.
Love me some map World. Is map World New Zealand's
only dedicated map shop. I think it might be. Would

(01:14:35):
be delighted to be wrong on that, but I think
it might be New Zealand's only dedicated map shop. So
thank you very much for that. Ninety two ninety two
if you want to send us a message and a
couple of minutes on news Talks B we are turning
our attention to another island. It's another island in the
Indian Ocean. It is a little more populated, it is
a little more regularly visited. It's maybe a little bit

(01:14:56):
less mysterious, but no less enjoyable to visit. We're looking
at Sri Lanka in a couple of minutes. Seventeen past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Travel with Wendy WU Tours unique fully inclusive tours.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Good news. It isn't just Map World. Great news are
the Map and Chart shop in Hamilton as well. There's
a dedicated map shop. So New Zealand has at least
two dedicated map shops. I know Marke Yardley, our travel correspondent,
will have been to Map World a few times over
the years.

Speaker 10 (01:15:22):
Good morning, definitely, Jack, Yes, good morning. You can beat
a good map.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
You just cannot beat a good map. I just I
love it. You know what I was thinking before, Maybe
I don't know, maybe should libraries have more maps? Should they?

Speaker 10 (01:15:37):
You know, there's a little debate. That is the debate
you need to have leading Q and eight mine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
That is the debate that people need. Hey, we've been
talking about various remote islands this morning in the Indian Ocean,
both the kurgel And Islands and the and Diego Garcia.
But we are focusing on something that is a little
more populated, Colombo and gaul In, Sri Lanka and Sri
Lunka's I mean, it's had its troubles of late. Did
you find it to be a welcoming place?

Speaker 10 (01:16:06):
One hundred percent? Yeah, from go to Wa, all all
I calls I encountered were just so welcome and warm
out going, quite curious. When I mentioned I was from
New Zealand, the reflectsive response check even though the black
Caps were in town, was all blacks? Really, I know,
and I didn't know it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
I know it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:25):
They're not exactly a jug and aught of a rugby nation,
are they not yet? But yeah, that's true. Yeah, it
was all blacks. And then the other thing they mentioned
was anchor milk. I love the anchor milk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Yeah, I mean you do, you do get there sometimes.
My one was always the anchor butter. You know, like
you go through you're traveling through the Caribbean and someone
will say, oh, New Zealand, I love anchor butter.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:16:48):
But I was actually really pleased to see that tourism
is bouncing back in Sri Lanka because, as you will know,
the previous government they were as corrupt as hell. They
bankrupted the nation. I've now got a new government and
they're on this sort of anti corruption drive at the moment,
yeare very welcoming place for a tourist.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
So how did Colombo strike strike you? What were your impressions?

Speaker 10 (01:17:12):
Remarkably cleaner than India's big city. And I'm a bit
of an obsessive when it comes to street lister jack
and I was just so pleased, so surprisingly pleased to
see the Sri Luankan capital so clean, very green heart
hundreds of enormous banion and feakest trees which are just stunning.

(01:17:33):
And I just love that max of new world glam
and old world tradition. You know it just jockles for
your attention in Colombo, soundtracks by Talk Talk, centered by
spicy food. What more could you want? Really? Yeah, the
shining new confection. By the way, in Colombo is this
incredible structure called the Lotus Tower, and it's like a

(01:17:54):
torch and it's crowned with this big bulbous flower shaped top.
It's high than the Sky Tower and at night or
over the city, you can see the light show from
the Lotus Tower. So they that and also so many
colonial buildings they've retained a huge stat of them and
they're all like stone sirens to the respective as eras

(01:18:17):
of Portuguese Dutch and British rule.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Is the population mainly Buddhist.

Speaker 10 (01:18:22):
Yeah apparently, but quite sizeable populations of Catholics, Hindu and Muslims.
And I mean starting with the Buddhist architecture. There was
this magnificent temple in Colombo called gangor ung A Maya,
and my goodness, it's like Buddhist to Baroq. It is
just bling bling and you just go there and you

(01:18:44):
watch these lovely devotees take their colorful lotuses, put them
in front of the body. Then they light the oil
lamps and their jostics. It's all very zen. I actually
went to Saint Joseph's Church, the Catholic church as well.
You may recall that was the scene of that horrendous
Easter Sunday terrorist bombing about five years ago. Just the

(01:19:05):
most amazing church. And then just down the road in
the Petta shopping district, Jamie or Alpha Mosque. My godness,
I thought I'd send some amazing masks. This thing is
a show stopper, vivid candy striped minarets, the most ornate
Arabesque interiors. It is just a jaw dropper. Definitely add

(01:19:28):
that to the check.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Nice is it good street food?

Speaker 10 (01:19:31):
Really? Good yet. Down on the Colombo beachfront green around twilight,
they fire up the food carts and I fell in
love with a classic dish called koto routi or koto
roti sorry, which is your chopped roty with curried chickens,
scrambled eggs, chili and onions, so delicious. I acquainted myself

(01:19:55):
Jack with isowaddy iso waddy, which are dal fritters topped
with spicy prawns, and the locals just live on those
things and chowd down on string hoppers. These are those
rice flowed steam noodles and they serve them with gravy
and pole sambol, which is a combination of freshly grated

(01:20:18):
coconut Chlott's chili and lime juice. And I mean they
have the hoppers or around the day. It's likely every
day breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
But that that that.

Speaker 10 (01:20:27):
Sandbowl, the freshly grated coconut. Man, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm one over. That's so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Am I right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
And I'm putting on the spot here, am I right?
Because they've changed the status of the capitol, right, The
capital is now Sri Jaya wardener Pa quart or something
I think is that? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:20:47):
Yea, if it's like an administrative capital.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Yeah right, it's kind of adjacent to Colombo, now right, yeah, correct,
So down the coast to Gaul. Did you catch it?

Speaker 10 (01:20:57):
I did. I was lucky in town to be in town. Well,
I thought it was lucky, given.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
I was looking for you on TV. I didn't see you,
but you must have picked up.

Speaker 10 (01:21:06):
Yeah, so funny you mentioned that, because yes, I was
one of those said sex who went who went Dutch. Oh,
I was standing on the ramparts of the fort, you know,
free and fabulous. But it is such an amazing spectacle.
And of course that's the grounds that Shane Warn helped

(01:21:27):
resurrect after the Boxing Days tsunami. And these actually little
notices you can still see how high the water rose
and gall thirty meters in height around the crocket ground.
Who are staggering three zero?

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:21:42):
What?

Speaker 10 (01:21:43):
Yes, seriously thirty meters isn't that amatable?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
It seems that's astonishing? Okay wow yeah yeah, so but.

Speaker 10 (01:21:52):
Yeah, it's such a gorgeous croocket ground.

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:21:54):
Thirty thousand Ancons died in that tsunami.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
That's so sad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, I mean, and like you say that the ground
that has been resurrected in the years following. Is I
mean one of the one of the most picturesque grounds
in the world. Is the fortified Old Town as good
in the flesh as it looks on Telly.

Speaker 10 (01:22:12):
Great question because I thought, oh, you know what TV's like,
But it is such a jewel jacket. Really is amazing,
And it takes a good two hours to circumnavigate the
walls of the fort town and that town is just
jammed packed with whitewashed buildings and terracotta reef tops, endlessly exotic.
It's the sort of sensation you get as you wander around.

(01:22:34):
What blew me away about those fort walls. It's how
they were built the Dutch when they took over from
the Portuguese. They mined the reef just offshore for the rock.
So are you walking down the remparts, you can see
the shells still in the rock from the reef and
for the view of use. There's this place on the

(01:22:55):
ramparts called flag Rock, and the biggest buy from the
street venders there is something I'd never come across before.
A slice of fresh papya with a sprinkling of chili powder.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Oh okay, because they do the mango with chili. You know,
that's the mango chili. How did papia and chili go?

Speaker 10 (01:23:15):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean I always think mango is sweeter,
but the fresh papiya with the chili was really good. Yeah,
it was like the perfect balance.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Yeah yeah, no, very very good. Yeah'd but be happy
to give that a crack. What about the beaches?

Speaker 10 (01:23:29):
Yeah, well I can now well believe why some people
head to Gore, not to the crickets, but for the beaches,
because they are just so stupendously inst the perfection ofly
brilliant Jungle beach really good. The one I would recommend though,
is Una Watuna Beach because it's banana shaped, you know,
it's just that perfect present and it's all soft blonde

(01:23:51):
sands and crystal clear waters. It always pulls the crowd.
It will just chum your pants off.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yeah nice, it sounds wonderful. Thank you, Mike. So we'll
put all of Mike's tips for visiting Colombo and Gaul
and Sri Lanka up on the news talks He'd website.
We put everything up there from our show. So if
you've got any questions about the TV shows that we're recommending,
our film picks for the week, music, all that good
stuff all goes on the website, News talks atb dot
co dot nzed forward slash Jack Jack. Good morning. I've

(01:24:19):
been to Diego, Garcia twice, says says David on my
way to and from Somalia in nineteen ninety three while
peacekeeping this. I mean, there's another fascinating part of the world, David,
Great Island, absolutely loved it, bloody hot. No one told
us what they actually did there. There are huge satellite dishes.
Love you show, Thank you David ninety two, ninety two.
If you want to send us a message right now,

(01:24:40):
it's eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Give me one.

Speaker 20 (01:24:52):
He's a r never me good shame baby you wan
mean in or one is a wish from me?

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Did you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Do JEDV you with Jack tame after mid day today,
Jason Pine is in the hot seat for weekends for
more than a poney. Hello there, Jack. So the white
ferns have two things around a little bit. I was
feeling I was feeling a little bit pessimistic heading into
the start of the Woman's Tea twenty World Cup. I
know we're only one game deep, so there's no point
getting too excited just yet. But a comprehensive victory over
India this morning.

Speaker 21 (01:25:30):
Yeah, I think pessimism was justified. Ten straight losses in
the format against good teams. You know that's not the
kind of film you what's going on to doom and
gloomy em I don't think you are, no, but I
think we can. We can celebrate this. One hundred and
sixty for four plays, one hundred and two all out.
That's a comprehensive twenty twenty victory led by Sophie Devine
with what fifty seven not out of thirty six. And

(01:25:50):
then our pace bowl is Rosebary mayor lea to who
who taking the wickets? Really good start. And look if
we learned anything from the Men's Tea twenty Cricket World Cup,
what was that back in last year. You've got to
start these tournaments well otherwise you just don't progress. So
that there's two groups of five, only the top two
go through to the semis. Australia are in our group,
so clearly they're going to be pretty competitive. Beating India

(01:26:12):
this morning. That's an upset India we favorite. I checked
the odds last night before I went to bed. India
were firm favorite. So its a very good result.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Comprehensive victory as well. It was Yeah, it was pretty
one sided it to be perfectly honest. So what are
you planning for us this afternoon?

Speaker 21 (01:26:27):
Well, speaking of cricket, we've got a new Test captain
in the men's game, Tom Latham. He's going to lead
us off after midday. Keen to chat to him about
how this came about, whether there will be any awkwardness
around him replacing Tim Soudy, if indeed Tim Southy continues
in the Test site, and what his strategy is to
take this team forward.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
And also this afternoon.

Speaker 21 (01:26:44):
Cam roy Guard is back on the rugby field two
o'clock this afternoon, Well won't be there because he's on
the bench, but for Counties against Manawatu six months after surgery.
On a ruptured to tell Attendon Cam roy Guard's back.
I said, mate, can we chat this afternoon? And he
said yeah, I've been out before kickoff, but I'll take
the call. So can Royguard after one o'clock on his
recovery and hopefully his return if he gets through this afternoon. Okay,

(01:27:07):
then I think he's on the plane on you know,
for the Northern tour.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah, there's another thing, this thing, right. They were all going, yeah,
you just just just get through today, unscap. How are
you feeling about I know you're going to be speaking
of Tom Nathan, but how are you feeling about the transition?
Because you know, it was really interesting hearing from Mike
Heson earlier this week who felt like, actually the Tim
Soudy situation this season had not been handled as well
as it might have been, and that he felt like

(01:27:31):
maybe a better option would have been to make a
transition with the Cat and Sy at the start of
the season, you know, as as opposed to a couple
of games deep.

Speaker 21 (01:27:40):
I agree, but yeah, always, I've always, you know, liked
and respected Mike Hessen's views, and I think he's deard right.
When you send a team to the sub Continent, you
know that you're probably only going to play two pace
bowlers in the test matches, and it's got to be
your fastest guy and your best guy, and Tim Soudy
is neither of those two things at the moment. Matt
Henry is his form against Australia in the home summer.

(01:28:02):
What seventeen wickets he got? Then then he doesn't play
against Sri Lanka because Tim Soudi's the captain. This kind
of had to happen. I think what I hope now, Jack,
is that I almost hope that Tim Soudy doesn't go
to India, but then freshens up, gets ready in place
the three home Test matches against England, which I think
he still justifies as place four in a four prong

(01:28:22):
seam attack. And maybe that's a Swan song. Maybe, you know,
maybe he's eighteen wickets short of four hundred. You know,
he's our second most prolific behind Sir Richard Fresh and Upton.
Have a bit of time out and then get ready
for home Test matches in seam friendly conditions, try and
bring up the four hundred and go out a hero
because he's been a tremendous cricketer for US, an absolutely

(01:28:44):
brilliant part of a sustained period of success. Totally agree
he deserves to go out on top and I hope
he does.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Yeah, I totally agree with that very much. Looking forward
to the show this afternoon. Thank you. Jason Pine will
be behind the Mic right after the midday news. Before midday,
we're going to play you that new music from Louis Baker.
Next up, Sally Rooney's got a new book out. We'll
tell you all about it. Twenty three to twelve on newstalksz'db.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Wait to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and bepure
dot co dot nzi for high quality supplements used talk ZMB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
It is just coming up to twenty to twelve. Katherine
Rain's out book reviewer has here with what might be
the most keenly anticipated new book of this year. Hey Catherine,
Hey Jack, So tell us about Sally Rooney's Intimezzo.

Speaker 14 (01:29:27):
So this follows two brothers, Peter and Ivan, and I've
just lost their father who had been battling cancer for
many years, and their mother divorced their father years ago,
and she's kind of present in the story but not
particularly involved in their lives. That she's got a new
husband and step children. And Peter's in his early thirties
and he's a civil rights lawyer, and he's this very
kind of cool presence about him, and he's actually juggling
two relationships, one with Sylvia, his first love who he's

(01:29:50):
stayed very close to, and Naomi, who's a college student
who's very carefree attitude, and she makes money from her
online following. And then is Ivan, and he's in his
early thirties, and he was a chess prodigy and after
a few years of dealing with his father's illness and
struggling to find success again, both in his personal life
and professionally, and he's quite socially awkward. He's almost the

(01:30:10):
complete opposite of his older brother. And he's fallen in
love with this older woman, Margaret, who's dealing with a divorce,
and you know, she's not sure about their less than
conventional romance. And the cracks of the story that is
revolving around these two brothers and their respective in their
lives and their inability to connect with each other after
the loss of their father and the grief that it causes.

(01:30:31):
And Peter's playing games with the woman's in his life
and Ivan seeking solace and some old friends and chess,
and both are in over their heads and they hurt
themselves in each other. And the books divided into three parts,
and Sally Rooney builds the tension just in in a
very intense way. And the third part is the characters

(01:30:52):
and storylines when the first two halves begin to meld together,
and Peter's chapters are written in the stream of consciousness
style and Ivan's chapters are real contrast to this, and
you know, like how his mind works and very structured
and methodical. And so we get this story that's also
told with the background of social commentary around it as well,
about wage labor and housing crisis and monetary power dynamics

(01:31:14):
and religion and discussions about all sorts of different things.
And it's beautifully told and very masterly Brittain and yet
it's well worth a read.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Sounds great, okay, cool. So that's INTIMESO by Sally Rooney.
How do you reckon it compares to her other books?

Speaker 14 (01:31:28):
Catherine, Um, it would be one of would be one
of the ones that I It's probably not my favorite,
but it would probably be second or third in the rankings.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Yeah, I'm very good. Okay. So next up The Siege
by Ben mc by Ben McIntyre.

Speaker 14 (01:31:44):
So this is nonfiction and it starts in the spring
of nineteen eighty when six armed gunmen storm the Iranian
Armers MBSSY in London and take hostages and cause this
very tense six days in which there's British priests and negotiators,
intelligent agencies, the SAS and they scrambling to de escalate
this very volatile situation that erupt and this small group

(01:32:09):
of men who take these twenty six hostages captive, and
there's amongst that is some BB bleck See employees and
this British policeman, a guy called Trevor Locke, who worked
at the embassy and at the perception at the time
was that these were a very cleche Arab group of
terrorists and they were actually mostly educated protesters who were
against the regime of the alertekmen who had betrayed, who

(01:32:31):
felt they'd betrayed their dreams of this independent Arabistan when
the beautial bridgal regime of the Shah was overthrown, and
they wanted Britain to take their side in the independence battle.
And this not known by anybody at the time. This
whole operation was bankrolled by said at the police secret
police force of Sadam Hussein, and the operation was planned

(01:32:52):
by two very notorious terrorists at the time, and of
course this is all captured on live television as well,
and it's just this.

Speaker 16 (01:32:59):
You get this.

Speaker 14 (01:33:00):
You know, you've got the police, negotiators, the rival protesters
clashing outside the embassy six and the CIA and everybody's
trying to rescue them. But inside there's Locke and there's
fellow hostages who were trying to outwit and outflank their captors.
And then on the sixth day after terrors, terrorists execute
the embassy press attache and dumped his body on the

(01:33:21):
front deilstep that sparks the essays ray, and you get
this story of ordinary men and women under immense pressure,
and Ben McIntyre is able to with the meticulous research
that he's done, and you get the book that kind
of conveys that tension inside and what happens between the
hostages and the captors, and the volatile mood swings and
what the public are thinking and the paranoia and all

(01:33:43):
sorts of things that are going on, and you get
this very fascinating historical narrative story that still has ramifications
today and it's but well told. You feel like the
parts of the story and the historical things all come together,
and yeah, makes a very good read.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
This is awesome, Okay, cool, So that's The Siege by
Ben McIntire. Catherine's first book, of course, is Intimatezo by
Sally Rooney. Both of those will be on the website.
New music from Louis Baker for you in a couple
of minutes on news Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
Us Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and befewre dot co
dotence for high quality supplements Use Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
It'd be.

Speaker 8 (01:34:20):
Expectations still fallow twice. It's hard, cold, sword, haptic and
don't make it easy on all your card.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
All works hard, word hard.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
That is Louis Baker. That song's fool's expectation beautiful A.
He's just released a new album it's called Medicine, and
our music review at Stelle Clifford's been listening. She's with
us this morning ten ark were good morning.

Speaker 22 (01:34:59):
And I am bringing all the soul vibes to you. Yeah,
with our mate Louis Baker. So he has released his
latest EP. It's called Medicine, and it's all in the
title music is his remedy, which probably is something that
can be said for quite a few of us.

Speaker 11 (01:35:15):
I reckon.

Speaker 22 (01:35:18):
And his this opener called Fool's Expectation, and it kind
of has like this start without me terrifying you with
my voice too much, but one of my beautiful starts
are you're like, oh, this could be from a scene
in dirty Dancing, like one of those sixties sort of
swooty thongs, losing the scene and questioning themselves and having hope,

(01:35:39):
but going all that all went to custom kind of things,
you know, or maybe some cool sixties jazz soul kind
of bar would be probably more how it would be,
but that more modern production that we get with Louis
and his arrangements, So there's lots of layering and then
this real cool lyrical journey of sort of hope and
loss and disappointment. And he does I mean, his voice

(01:36:01):
is so you know, he can go for those really massive, huge,
big voice not but actually for a lot of this EP,
he keeps it quite subtle and quite I mean it
sort of makes him mouth a little bit, doesn't it.
You know, It's like it's really beautiful, and throughout that
song it's really great. A lot of emphasis throughout the
EP of that real thick, deep bassline, so making those

(01:36:24):
beats and then the lush, rich vocals that come over
that just seem to.

Speaker 11 (01:36:28):
Flow out of him.

Speaker 12 (01:36:30):
Is a really really great co lab.

Speaker 22 (01:36:32):
Worth Wellington singer artist Wallace. It's a song called Bean Gone,
which has actually been placed in the top twenty on
the EPRA Silver Scroll.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
Okay, but their voices just.

Speaker 22 (01:36:43):
Meld together, like they come together as one so beautifully,
and she means she's a stellar artist anyway, so to
see them co lab is really cool thing. There's a
few of those psychedelic, trippy grooves kind of going on
in some songs with that little record ta tat kind
of drum thing that keeps you sort of moving because
I don't want to make it sound like it's all

(01:37:05):
slow and swayy, like. I think there's plenty of stuff
in here where you could get up and can't help.

Speaker 11 (01:37:11):
But cut a couple of shapes. But also there are.

Speaker 22 (01:37:15):
Those songs that take you on that just really I
guess it's medicine, right, He's trying to make you just reconnect,
chill out. I think that it's like a woman brace.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
If I was going to sum it up like that, yeah, nice.

Speaker 22 (01:37:26):
Haven't I haven't had Louis Baker, but I imagine he's
quite good at.

Speaker 12 (01:37:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
I mean, yeah, if his music is easy to go by,
for sure, he's giving us yeah exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:37:37):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
I mean it's interesting, right because, like you say, he's
like when I think of his music, I do think
of the kind of layering.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
It's interesting to me that he's the sole producer on
this album, so and that you know, there's quite a
it's quite.

Speaker 22 (01:37:50):
Distinct, yeah thing to take on, and it was his
like he set himself a goal and that's what he
wanted to achieve. And I think he's done a really
beautiful job. I mean, he's worked with some incredible people
through his career, so you must pick up so much.
And I guess when you sit with some songs yourself
as the sole producer, you get a chance to titoo
around and play with how you think it should go.

(01:38:10):
And he's done a really great job. I was expecting
maybe not to have as much smooth production, you know,
for someone picking it on just as himself, but he
clearly knows what he's doing, no, and he's done some
fun little stuff in there, and I think it's one
of those ones you'll first listen to. You'll hear his
voice and you'll follow that along and then as you

(01:38:31):
go back you start hearing some of those different beats
and sounds and things that he's put through some of
that layering. It'll be interesting to see it live because
I think that sort of changes everything as well when
it comes to a full band being part of the production.
And that's kind of the beautiful thing I think about
soul and R and B. It can have some different
elements to it once it becomes live, and they play

(01:38:53):
with it even more once it's on stage. So if
you happen to be in his hometown of Wellington tonight
at San fran So they going to do the EP
and then they're going to do a whole lot of
his other headlog and everything, and then of course the
massive news everyone might have seen as that he's taking
his bags to Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Yeah yeah, sorry dates or whatever like Halle.

Speaker 22 (01:39:14):
So that's really exciting stuff for him on the back
of just really sing something.

Speaker 12 (01:39:18):
New for himself to so good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Okay, what'd you give me?

Speaker 22 (01:39:21):
I'm giving it a nine out of ten only because
I wanted more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Like yeah, yeah, I like that very good. Okay, nine
out of ten for medicine, by the way, Baker. We'll
have a bit more of a listen in a few
minutes thanks to Stelle.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
Enjoy every view from every angle.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live
to news talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Dateline NBC

The Breakfast Club

Crime Junkie

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 5 October 2024

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Dateline NBC

The Breakfast Club

Crime Junkie

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 5 October 2024

Dateline NBC