January 31, 2025 • 13 mins
In less than a week’s time, Kiwi musician Nadia Reid will release her fourth album: ‘Enter Now Brightness’.
It’s her first album in five years, born from a period of reflection during the Covid lockdowns beginning in 2020.
The album is a record of “poise and great beauty”, documenting the sound of a “cellular shift” and pain giving way to tenderness and joy, the biography on her website reads.
She told Newstalk ZB’s Jack Tame that the album took two years to write.
“At one point I thought, well, I don’t have terribly much to say,” she said, referring to the stagnancy of lockdown.
“But it turns out I did have... I had, I wrote 12, we recorded 12 songs, 10 of which made it onto the album.”
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at Me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So good day. In less than a week's time Kiwi Museo,
Nadia Reid is going to release her fourth album. The
album is called inter Now Brightness. It's her first album
in five years, and from what we've heard so far,
it is a record of poise and beauty and a
little bit of fun as well. Nadia Reid is with
us this morning, Kilda. Good morning, Ah.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Kilda, it is good morning.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm in the night, the beginning of the night.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, this is it. I feel like that we should
confront the elephant in the room immediately, which is that
into our brightness. Mark's has shifted on lots of different fronts,
but I suppose it also, Mark's a literal shift for you.
You're speaking to us from Manchester, of all places, and
this is your new home.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
It is been here fourteen months, Yeah, it's it's it's
starting to feel at home now.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, it's taken me a while.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I think anyone that's been to Manchester, well, anyone that's
been the UK knows that arriving in the depths of
winter is a tough one. But it's grown on me,
and yeah, it's feeling good.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's a shock, isn't it. When you see the sun setting,
like call it a four in the afternoon, you think,
hang on, hang on, I'm being robbed here totally.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And just you know, we're just like taking vitamin D
every day because you actually don't see I mean, there
was a little bit of sun today. But yeah, I'm
hanging out for a Kiwi summer for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah. So why Manchester, Why Manchester of all places?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, my management lived here, I and my press agent
lived here, lives here, and so I visited over there
last well since twenty sixteen. I visited Manchester a lot,
and well I toured the UK a lot. And I
think initially I was I really was quite smating with
(02:43):
Brighton and you know, really like London, and I think
those places.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Perhaps were just a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, I just didn't feel like the right time to
be in London, and so we went up north and
knew three people and just kind of took a bit
of a risk, clearly. And it's I mean, also, I
think there is a bit of an exodus happening at
(03:14):
the moment, like people are leaving London and moving sort
of all over the place because they want more room.
And you know, even my friends in London who have
very fancy jobs, you know, they're still in very small
flats and I just wanted a bit more.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Space.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
It's not like Manchester doesn't have a rich musical history
as well, so you know exactly, yeah, yeah, oh very good. Well,
one adventure for you and your family. But like I say,
Into Our Brightness kind of marks a bit of a
shift on multiple fronts, including stylistically. And so you've got
a collection of.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Tracks that have written all over the place, I think,
from Port Charmers to Tama chem Koto Auckland to tenor
Reef of all places. So what were you trying to
achieve with inter and out Runness.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I think this album was that the approach was different
because when my third album, Out of My Province came
out March twenty twenty, that the whole natural order of
things was kind of interrupted. You know, we were all
going through this universal experience of the pandemic, and of
(04:33):
course the border has closed and so suddenly my year
of touring was suddenly not there, and so I didn't
get to kind of stretch that album's legs and you know,
kind of have the natural time an experience to write
the next album. So it actually took me two years
(04:55):
to write. And you know, at one point I thought, well,
I don't have terribly much to say. You know, we
were sort of inside, we were in our home, and
at times it was quite confronting. But it turns out
I did have. I had, I wrote, We recorded twelve songs,
(05:16):
ten of which made it onto the album. So somehow
throughout that those two years and a few years prior,
I wrote all these songs, and I suppose in terms
of what we were trying to achieve it, I didn't
terribly think too much, too far ahead really, you know,
(05:37):
I think sometimes when you said out, I mean, I've
made four albums now, and every every time I've made
a record, there's always a point in which it feels
really impossible, or it feels too hard, or that you
can't see the end. And so I suppose I was
just trying to make the best use of time with everyone,
(06:01):
you know, being in the country, and also I was
pregnant with both my daughter was over the two years,
and so there was this sort of sense of I
don't know, sort of urgency. Perhaps that you know, I
wanted it in the bag before the baby came, and
(06:25):
it didn't. You know, it wasn't done until I flew
out to the UK. That was the marking point of
it being finished.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You're listening to Jack Tame on new Stalk ZB. I'm
speaking with Kiwe Museo, Nadia Read and Nadia you mentioned
your kids. So in the years since your last album,
you have had two. How do you feel that has
kind of changed your perspectives or changed your creative output.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I mean, it's it's it's a huge, it's a huge thing.
And you know I've been I could say so much,
but it's been so much better than I expected. And
I think there was this fear around, you know, do
(07:18):
I have to choose? And I remember before I when
I first met my now husband, I remember saying to
him like, if I have to choose, you know I
want I don't want to give up music, like I
want this career. You know, it's so it feels so
fulfilling to me. It gives me such great purpose. So
if if someone's making me choose, I choose this and
(07:41):
then slowly like sort of you know, softened into things
and then I've had had the two girls, and you know,
I've got an abundance of women musicians that inspire me.
You know, Tammy Nielsen, I've had like amazing talks with
her about how how she manages motherhood and touring and
(08:04):
you know, I mean, we don't want to talk politics,
but Jacinda I done was an amazing you know at
that time, you know, to see a woman having a
job and being a mom, you know, it was meaningful
to me politics aside. And so I suppose, you know,
(08:24):
I feel proud at the moment because I do have both.
I'm making it work and I have a really good
co parent, and I think it's you know, I read
a quote recently by another artist who said, you know
that the pram in the hallway isn't the enemy of art,
and so I guess that's kind of just my I'm
(08:51):
feeling invigorated by, Yeah, by living in this time where
where I'm not saying it's easy, but but it's given
me this deep sense of meaning. Mother mothering has given
me a deep sense of meaning, and it's it's humbling.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The reason I sorry to talking you that I think
on the first track on the album is it, Emmanuel.
I think you had an experience a because you were
leaving Port Charmers and you know, kind of packing up
home and you had a young baby, and there was
a sense in writing that song that yeah, there was
you sort of get you get hit by the wave
(09:37):
of purpose that that people talk about coming with parenting,
and you sort of you know, and you're left contemplating
some of the big questions in life.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Totally.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
And I think it's you know, the first line is yeah,
like can this circle never break? There's there's far too
much at stake now, And I think I had that
sense of, you know that there's someone else that really matters,
and the other the other sort of of the thing
I sort of have kept in the like I keep
(10:10):
it in the back of my mind as a as
a Carlion quote that where he says, you know, the
greatest burden a child must can carry is the unlived
life of its parent. And I suppose I keep that
in mind when I'm when I'm out doing this crazy
thing on stage, you know, and traveling and doing this
sort of bizarre mysterious work that you know, the more
(10:35):
fulfilled I am, the better, the better mum.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I can be and so yeah, so it's I guess
I suppose I've answered. Yeah, I mean it's it's been
better than I expected.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, yeah, putting that out and put it on the
tea towel. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Like, you know, when I was pregnant the first time,
I was like I said to my husband, like, if
someone tells me, if I hear one more person say
enjoy your sleep, well you can, I'm going to scream
because I mean, yes, like it's tiring and it's crazy,
but also like you can't forget that you're deliriously tired,
(11:26):
but like it's just it's also really just deliciously joyful
as well. So there was this kind of and I
love to sleep. You know, I could sleep ten hours
every night, so I was really worried about my sleep.
But you know, you just sort of you're all jacked
up on the hormones. And also as a touring musician,
(11:49):
like my friend Holly Forolbrook said like, we're actually like
pretty well trained for this mothering thing because we're used
to like not getting much sleep and like sort of
being under high pressure.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Time zones and just kind of no routine and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Exactly, So it's actually quite good training for it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So you're back home just before Christmas. I think you're
touring in the UK shortly, and what's the plane are
you gonna bring, like come back here but later in
the year and maybe do a bit more touring.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
It's yeah, we're looking at November, so I really want
to catch the Selfishly, I'm going to time it around
summer because in December and January it's just a small here.
But also, yeah, it's just timing, and but I can't
wait to you know, I think and that I'm lucky that,
(12:48):
you know, I have this sort of job that's going
to bring me back every so often, and my band
is still living there, so it's I definitely have a
lot of sort of heart strings still pulling.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, well across the oceans.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, oh, I'm pleased to hear that. Hey, congratulations on
Into Our Brightness, and yeah, good luck for the for
the nick few weeks and for touring in the UK.
And we do very much look forward to having you
back on home soil.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Oh, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Really good to chat Nadia. Nadia read Her new album
Into Now Brightness is out on Friday on all of
the usual streaming platforms or You can pick up a
vinyl copy at Nadia Reid dot com.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks A B from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at Me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So good day. In less than a week's time Kiwi Museo,
Nadia Reid is going to release her fourth album. The
album is called inter Now Brightness. It's her first album
in five years, and from what we've heard so far,
it is a record of poise and beauty and a
little bit of fun as well. Nadia Reid is with
us this morning, Kilda. Good morning, Ah.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Kilda, it is good morning.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm in the night, the beginning of the night.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, this is it. I feel like that we should
confront the elephant in the room immediately, which is that
into our brightness. Mark's has shifted on lots of different fronts,
but I suppose it also, Mark's a literal shift for you.
You're speaking to us from Manchester, of all places, and
this is your new home.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
It is been here fourteen months, Yeah, it's it's it's
starting to feel at home now.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, it's taken me a while.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I think anyone that's been to Manchester, well, anyone that's
been the UK knows that arriving in the depths of
winter is a tough one. But it's grown on me,
and yeah, it's feeling good.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's a shock, isn't it. When you see the sun setting,
like call it a four in the afternoon, you think,
hang on, hang on, I'm being robbed here totally.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And just you know, we're just like taking vitamin D
every day because you actually don't see I mean, there
was a little bit of sun today. But yeah, I'm
hanging out for a Kiwi summer for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah. So why Manchester, Why Manchester of all places?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, my management lived here, I and my press agent
lived here, lives here, and so I visited over there
last well since twenty sixteen. I visited Manchester a lot,
and well I toured the UK a lot. And I
think initially I was I really was quite smating with
(02:43):
Brighton and you know, really like London, and I think
those places.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Perhaps were just a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, I just didn't feel like the right time to
be in London, and so we went up north and
knew three people and just kind of took a bit
of a risk, clearly. And it's I mean, also, I
think there is a bit of an exodus happening at
(03:14):
the moment, like people are leaving London and moving sort
of all over the place because they want more room.
And you know, even my friends in London who have
very fancy jobs, you know, they're still in very small
flats and I just wanted a bit more.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Space.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
It's not like Manchester doesn't have a rich musical history
as well, so you know exactly, yeah, yeah, oh very good. Well,
one adventure for you and your family. But like I say,
Into Our Brightness kind of marks a bit of a
shift on multiple fronts, including stylistically. And so you've got
a collection of.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Tracks that have written all over the place, I think,
from Port Charmers to Tama chem Koto Auckland to tenor
Reef of all places. So what were you trying to
achieve with inter and out Runness.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I think this album was that the approach was different
because when my third album, Out of My Province came
out March twenty twenty, that the whole natural order of
things was kind of interrupted. You know, we were all
going through this universal experience of the pandemic, and of
(04:33):
course the border has closed and so suddenly my year
of touring was suddenly not there, and so I didn't
get to kind of stretch that album's legs and you know,
kind of have the natural time an experience to write
the next album. So it actually took me two years
(04:55):
to write. And you know, at one point I thought, well,
I don't have terribly much to say. You know, we
were sort of inside, we were in our home, and
at times it was quite confronting. But it turns out
I did have. I had, I wrote, We recorded twelve songs,
(05:16):
ten of which made it onto the album. So somehow
throughout that those two years and a few years prior,
I wrote all these songs, and I suppose in terms
of what we were trying to achieve it, I didn't
terribly think too much, too far ahead really, you know,
(05:37):
I think sometimes when you said out, I mean, I've
made four albums now, and every every time I've made
a record, there's always a point in which it feels
really impossible, or it feels too hard, or that you
can't see the end. And so I suppose I was
just trying to make the best use of time with everyone,
(06:01):
you know, being in the country, and also I was
pregnant with both my daughter was over the two years,
and so there was this sort of sense of I
don't know, sort of urgency. Perhaps that you know, I
wanted it in the bag before the baby came, and
(06:25):
it didn't. You know, it wasn't done until I flew
out to the UK. That was the marking point of
it being finished.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You're listening to Jack Tame on new Stalk ZB. I'm
speaking with Kiwe Museo, Nadia Read and Nadia you mentioned
your kids. So in the years since your last album,
you have had two. How do you feel that has
kind of changed your perspectives or changed your creative output.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I mean, it's it's it's a huge, it's a huge thing.
And you know I've been I could say so much,
but it's been so much better than I expected. And
I think there was this fear around, you know, do
(07:18):
I have to choose? And I remember before I when
I first met my now husband, I remember saying to
him like, if I have to choose, you know I
want I don't want to give up music, like I
want this career. You know, it's so it feels so
fulfilling to me. It gives me such great purpose. So
if if someone's making me choose, I choose this and
(07:41):
then slowly like sort of you know, softened into things
and then I've had had the two girls, and you know,
I've got an abundance of women musicians that inspire me.
You know, Tammy Nielsen, I've had like amazing talks with
her about how how she manages motherhood and touring and
(08:04):
you know, I mean, we don't want to talk politics,
but Jacinda I done was an amazing you know at
that time, you know, to see a woman having a
job and being a mom, you know, it was meaningful
to me politics aside. And so I suppose, you know,
(08:24):
I feel proud at the moment because I do have both.
I'm making it work and I have a really good
co parent, and I think it's you know, I read
a quote recently by another artist who said, you know
that the pram in the hallway isn't the enemy of art,
and so I guess that's kind of just my I'm
(08:51):
feeling invigorated by, Yeah, by living in this time where
where I'm not saying it's easy, but but it's given
me this deep sense of meaning. Mother mothering has given
me a deep sense of meaning, and it's it's humbling.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The reason I sorry to talking you that I think
on the first track on the album is it, Emmanuel.
I think you had an experience a because you were
leaving Port Charmers and you know, kind of packing up
home and you had a young baby, and there was
a sense in writing that song that yeah, there was
you sort of get you get hit by the wave
(09:37):
of purpose that that people talk about coming with parenting,
and you sort of you know, and you're left contemplating
some of the big questions in life.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Totally.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
And I think it's you know, the first line is yeah,
like can this circle never break? There's there's far too
much at stake now, And I think I had that
sense of, you know that there's someone else that really matters,
and the other the other sort of of the thing
I sort of have kept in the like I keep
(10:10):
it in the back of my mind as a as
a Carlion quote that where he says, you know, the
greatest burden a child must can carry is the unlived
life of its parent. And I suppose I keep that
in mind when I'm when I'm out doing this crazy
thing on stage, you know, and traveling and doing this
sort of bizarre mysterious work that you know, the more
(10:35):
fulfilled I am, the better, the better mum.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I can be and so yeah, so it's I guess
I suppose I've answered. Yeah, I mean it's it's been
better than I expected.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, yeah, putting that out and put it on the
tea towel. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Like, you know, when I was pregnant the first time,
I was like I said to my husband, like, if
someone tells me, if I hear one more person say
enjoy your sleep, well you can, I'm going to scream
because I mean, yes, like it's tiring and it's crazy,
but also like you can't forget that you're deliriously tired,
(11:26):
but like it's just it's also really just deliciously joyful
as well. So there was this kind of and I
love to sleep. You know, I could sleep ten hours
every night, so I was really worried about my sleep.
But you know, you just sort of you're all jacked
up on the hormones. And also as a touring musician,
(11:49):
like my friend Holly Forolbrook said like, we're actually like
pretty well trained for this mothering thing because we're used
to like not getting much sleep and like sort of
being under high pressure.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Time zones and just kind of no routine and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Exactly, So it's actually quite good training for it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So you're back home just before Christmas. I think you're
touring in the UK shortly, and what's the plane are
you gonna bring, like come back here but later in
the year and maybe do a bit more touring.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
It's yeah, we're looking at November, so I really want
to catch the Selfishly, I'm going to time it around
summer because in December and January it's just a small here.
But also, yeah, it's just timing, and but I can't
wait to you know, I think and that I'm lucky that,
(12:48):
you know, I have this sort of job that's going
to bring me back every so often, and my band
is still living there, so it's I definitely have a
lot of sort of heart strings still pulling.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, well across the oceans.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, oh, I'm pleased to hear that. Hey, congratulations on
Into Our Brightness, and yeah, good luck for the for
the nick few weeks and for touring in the UK.
And we do very much look forward to having you
back on home soil.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Oh, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Really good to chat Nadia. Nadia read Her new album
Into Now Brightness is out on Friday on all of
the usual streaming platforms or You can pick up a
vinyl copy at Nadia Reid dot com.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks A B from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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