March 7, 2025 • 6 mins
Reviewers are saying Lady Gaga has dialed back to her purest form in new album ‘Mayhem’.
The singer is drawing on the simplicity of her 2008 debut ‘The Fame’ that played with the idea of pop music.
Estelle Clifford talks to Jack Tame about the new album.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at By.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
That is how Bad Do You Want Me? By Lady Gaga.
Her new album is called Mayhem. Now Music via stel
Cliffe has been listening more than I love a bit
of Gaga, love a bit of Gaga, throwing it back
to O g Gaga, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I'm glad that you're soaking up that vibe. But like
everybody having to go back to check the credits of
who's singing that song, right, because she sounds so tato.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, she does sound very tato there. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Think i'd really credited that back early Gaga. Did sound
Taylor Swifty? Or does Taylor Swifty sound Lady Gaga?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
But that song in particular on the album has had
everyone doing exactly the same thing, and rumor has it,
but I don't think it's true that Taylor Swift laid
down the backing vocals. Oh but you couldn't then release
a song and not have Taylor Swift.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You couldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, surely that would be yeah exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yes, So I don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But anyway, she does sound very very tete an interesting
kind of lead into this album because this song is
kind of in the in the halfway point, and that's
where things get a little bit more lighthearted and probably
a bit more poppy and some of the funk soul
kind of stuff that she does where the start of
the album is all that Abraca Deborah.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Disease that we're we like. I just love getting drawn.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Into those Lady Gaga songs where you're like, I'm just
singing some nonsense lyrics, I'm making this stuff up, but
I feel like I want to struten the sun and
exude some sort of crazy energy.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
And I love this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I love that we've gone back to the Paors up
Little Monsters, a new era of that for Lady Gaga.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It feels confident and.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's it's strong and crazy in all those things that
you would expect and a little bit weird and a.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Little bit you know, like off the carf where you're like,
thank goodness, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Poppy, but kind of She's she's always had a kind
of a slightly it's weird because she's very like center
of the culture, but you know, she's always had a
kind of slightly counterculturally in the same way that Madonna
was kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Absolutely, I'm going to take all that stuff you kind
of know and you feel familiar with, and then I'm
just going to put it through a blender and come
back out the other side and really own it. And
I think that's the magic of what makes Lady Gaga
who she is. And also then you put out the
fact that she has an incredible voice, so she can
do some real cool things with her vocals, and she
loves to play with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
I'm like, if if you're ever on Dancing.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
With the Stars, Jack, can you please like cut some
shakes to disease or abraca.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Debra Well, I hate you on that stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
I'm pitching your songs for you. Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So it is the first part of that proposition, the dancer.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But she always makes me feel like I could be
a wicked dancer, a really great backup dancer. There's just
something about her music and this this album has really
got that, you know, like it's kind of dark as well.
There's like sort of dark lyrics and the things that
she's talking about.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Perfect Celebrity. There is such a great track.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's I mean, it's so wrong, but it's so right,
which I think again is what Lady Gaga can.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Do really really well.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And that kind of bad or thriller of Michael Jackson,
you know, where you're like, this is sort of creepy
and cool, but there's there's kind of like constantly more
of that that's going on. There's gonna be some real
sweaty club dance forwards when everyone's like getting their grind
on to some of these tracks, which I think is
I think is great. It's it's one of those albums
(04:00):
you can listen to lots and lots and lots of,
which is what the fame was as well. It's why
she's had so many hits of that album. There's a
little bit of there's a song called Killer. I felt
that that was very her embracing her in a prince
and it's not just in the vocals, but like the
accompanying guitar riffs and flourishes and then some of those
funky guitar slaps that he was quite renowned for. So
(04:21):
whoever's doing the guitar work on some of her tracks
is is very clever, and they're just those catchy little
riffs that bring you in and very prince escus so you'll,
I mean, you'll hear it yourself when you go through
the whole album.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And then a few just goo.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Rhythms Gwen Stefani kind of you know, like my Ship,
there's Banana's the that kind of song.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This is a little bit of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well so maybe that's just that whole fusion of what
pop and sassy Queens is all about.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Oh right here, I love it. So what do you
make of this concept of recession pop? Have you heard
about this?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Okay, so this is like going back but bringing it forward.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, it's like when when you have tricky economic times.
Oh yeah, so like two thousand and eight was when
the Fame was released and now Mayhem have But she's
kind of got these really poppy, vintage Gaga sounds coming
out at the same time that you have really tricky
economic time. So the theory goes that maybe like tough
(05:17):
times bring out the poppyist and Gaga.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And maybe they do.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
She's gone back to like the grunge bar where she
originally started writings.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, she's gone.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Back to those basic routes. Even that's simple. There's nothing
like yeah, okay recession pop. All right, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's very deep and it's what we do on Saturday morning.
We look at this kind of yeah exactly, So I mean, you.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Know, another coffee for that one?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, Look, I I really I've loved this album. I
feel really in his eyes and excited by it. Maybe
that's it. Right through a recession, you need something to
look too that makes you feel like you having a
great time. And now you can send your whole weekends
making up your own lyrics to Ebria.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
De Yeah, okay, what do you give it by lady?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
A couple of we'll play disease you want to close
out the show? Doesn't morning?
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Very good?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Just Estale Clifford is our music reviewer. More Gaga in
a couple of minutes. It's nine to twelve on News
Talks EDB.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live
to Newstalks EDB from nine am Saturday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at By.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
That is how Bad Do You Want Me? By Lady Gaga.
Her new album is called Mayhem. Now Music via stel
Cliffe has been listening more than I love a bit
of Gaga, love a bit of Gaga, throwing it back
to O g Gaga, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I'm glad that you're soaking up that vibe. But like
everybody having to go back to check the credits of
who's singing that song, right, because she sounds so tato.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, she does sound very tato there. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Think i'd really credited that back early Gaga. Did sound
Taylor Swifty? Or does Taylor Swifty sound Lady Gaga?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
But that song in particular on the album has had
everyone doing exactly the same thing, and rumor has it,
but I don't think it's true that Taylor Swift laid
down the backing vocals. Oh but you couldn't then release
a song and not have Taylor Swift.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You couldn't.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, surely that would be yeah exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yes, So I don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But anyway, she does sound very very tete an interesting
kind of lead into this album because this song is
kind of in the in the halfway point, and that's
where things get a little bit more lighthearted and probably
a bit more poppy and some of the funk soul
kind of stuff that she does where the start of
the album is all that Abraca Deborah.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Disease that we're we like. I just love getting drawn.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Into those Lady Gaga songs where you're like, I'm just
singing some nonsense lyrics, I'm making this stuff up, but
I feel like I want to struten the sun and
exude some sort of crazy energy.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
And I love this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I love that we've gone back to the Paors up
Little Monsters, a new era of that for Lady Gaga.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It feels confident and.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's it's strong and crazy in all those things that
you would expect and a little bit weird and a.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Little bit you know, like off the carf where you're like,
thank goodness, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Poppy, but kind of She's she's always had a kind
of a slightly it's weird because she's very like center
of the culture, but you know, she's always had a
kind of slightly counterculturally in the same way that Madonna
was kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Absolutely, I'm going to take all that stuff you kind
of know and you feel familiar with, and then I'm
just going to put it through a blender and come
back out the other side and really own it. And
I think that's the magic of what makes Lady Gaga
who she is. And also then you put out the
fact that she has an incredible voice, so she can
do some real cool things with her vocals, and she
loves to play with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
I'm like, if if you're ever on Dancing.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
With the Stars, Jack, can you please like cut some
shakes to disease or abraca.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Debra Well, I hate you on that stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
I'm pitching your songs for you. Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So it is the first part of that proposition, the dancer.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But she always makes me feel like I could be
a wicked dancer, a really great backup dancer. There's just
something about her music and this this album has really
got that, you know, like it's kind of dark as well.
There's like sort of dark lyrics and the things that
she's talking about.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Perfect Celebrity. There is such a great track.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's I mean, it's so wrong, but it's so right,
which I think again is what Lady Gaga can.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Do really really well.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And that kind of bad or thriller of Michael Jackson,
you know, where you're like, this is sort of creepy
and cool, but there's there's kind of like constantly more
of that that's going on. There's gonna be some real
sweaty club dance forwards when everyone's like getting their grind
on to some of these tracks, which I think is
I think is great. It's it's one of those albums
(04:00):
you can listen to lots and lots and lots of,
which is what the fame was as well. It's why
she's had so many hits of that album. There's a
little bit of there's a song called Killer. I felt
that that was very her embracing her in a prince
and it's not just in the vocals, but like the
accompanying guitar riffs and flourishes and then some of those
funky guitar slaps that he was quite renowned for. So
(04:21):
whoever's doing the guitar work on some of her tracks
is is very clever, and they're just those catchy little
riffs that bring you in and very prince escus so you'll,
I mean, you'll hear it yourself when you go through
the whole album.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And then a few just goo.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Rhythms Gwen Stefani kind of you know, like my Ship,
there's Banana's the that kind of song.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This is a little bit of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well so maybe that's just that whole fusion of what
pop and sassy Queens is all about.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Oh right here, I love it. So what do you
make of this concept of recession pop? Have you heard
about this?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Okay, so this is like going back but bringing it forward.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, it's like when when you have tricky economic times.
Oh yeah, so like two thousand and eight was when
the Fame was released and now Mayhem have But she's
kind of got these really poppy, vintage Gaga sounds coming
out at the same time that you have really tricky
economic time. So the theory goes that maybe like tough
(05:17):
times bring out the poppyist and Gaga.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And maybe they do.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
She's gone back to like the grunge bar where she
originally started writings.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, she's gone.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Back to those basic routes. Even that's simple. There's nothing
like yeah, okay recession pop. All right, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's very deep and it's what we do on Saturday morning.
We look at this kind of yeah exactly, So I mean, you.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Know, another coffee for that one?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, Look, I I really I've loved this album. I
feel really in his eyes and excited by it. Maybe
that's it. Right through a recession, you need something to
look too that makes you feel like you having a
great time. And now you can send your whole weekends
making up your own lyrics to Ebria.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
De Yeah, okay, what do you give it by lady?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
A couple of we'll play disease you want to close
out the show? Doesn't morning?
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Very good?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Just Estale Clifford is our music reviewer. More Gaga in
a couple of minutes. It's nine to twelve on News
Talks EDB.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live
to Newstalks EDB from nine am Saturday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio.
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