March 28, 2025 • 8 mins
Amid Liam Lawson's Red Bull disappointment, experts are saying he was set up to fail with the car he was driving.
Sports Reporter Andrew Saville said there's no quick fix for the issue.
"You would need to rebuild Liam Lawson a whole new car if they wanted to move away from the type of car that it's set up for Max Verstappen."
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
B Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Doo. Okay,
excuse me, you know that theme? Okay, that is, of
course the theme to Star Wars and Bird which is
(00:36):
the theme to Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Obviously.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Uh, those written by the same guy. He also wrote
the theme to Jaws, the theme to Shindler's List, the
theme to e T. He wrote the songs for the
first two home alone films. Pretty amazing, eh. He wrote
songs in the Harry Potter films. He's a remarkable composer.
His name is John Williams. But the reason I'm mentioning
(01:01):
John Williams is he also had an incredibly musical son.
His son is called Williams, and Joe Williams just happens
to be the lead singer of Toto. What a crazy
kind of connection, eh. Anyway, I mean, how many how
many streams has has Africa had these days? Like several gazillion?
(01:22):
I would have thought we're going to catch up with
Joe Williams's affects are NW after ten o'clock this morning
to talk about his kind of life and career with Toto.
And some of his film work because he ended up,
of course working on The Lion King. So just one
of those kind of crazy Hollywood connections anyway, So I
really looking forward to that. Make sure you stick around
after ten o'clock this morning so you can hear Joe
Williams ahead of Toto's New Zealand shows. It's just coming
(01:45):
out to nine thirty now in our Sporto. Andrew Savill
is with us this morning. Count to sav got to
Jack G.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You're a mind of information. I had no idea about
the John. I mean, everybody knows that John Williams music score. Yeah,
you know, it's generations have grown up listening to his
movie score. Is what an amazing, an amazing connection. And
then has unproducers or helps produce a song like Africa
and Rosanna and toe the line.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's amazing, ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, just all those kind of connections. Yeah, so I
guess Joe Williams is singing Hakuna Matata, you know, as
simple as the adults.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yes, anyway, crazy connection speak.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Speaking of Star Wars, yeah, there's a few Darth Vader,
a few Darth Vader type characters coming out of Red Bull, right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, So First of all, what a fiesco. I just
can't it seems it seems so brutal.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing for Red Bull. I agree,
and I'm not saying I'm not saying Liam Lawson has
embarrassed them. I'm saying the decisions they have made this
primarily the one to drop Liam Lawson down to racing
balls after two racism is embarrassing. The rest of the
teams on pit Lane and Pit Lane will be laughing yeah,
(02:59):
and they will be the knives will be out. They
will be ready to tear chunks of Red Ball in
Japan at the end of next week. I've tried to
unpack this during the week.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Jack and I had the.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Good fortune of sitting down with Kenny Smith yesterday, a
great a legend of New Zealand motor sport, and he
just put a lot of things in layman's terms for
me about the Red Bull car being very twitchy at
the front and I said, what do you mean by that?
And he said, well, it's a chassis thing. And I said, well,
can't they fix that? He said, it's not a quick
fix because you wouldn't need to rebuild Liam Lawson a
(03:28):
whole new car if they wanted to move away from
the type of car that it'd set up for Max
for staff. And so that's the key issue there is
that it is incredibly hard to drive. But Liam Lawson,
given his talent, if he had time in that car,
I'm sure he would turn things around.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I was looking for an explanation of that as well,
because everyone says the Red Bull car so hard to drive,
and yep, it's great for Max, but everyone else finds
it so difficult. And clearly he's had all these different
teammates over the last few years, who have you know,
struggled to replicate his performances at the very least.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I saw an.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Interview with Alex Albon, who was his teammates. After a while,
he said, to put in labor'serms. He said, you know,
if you turn the sensitivity on a computer mouse, if
you turn that up to absolute max, and then you
bump the mouse and the cursor on your screen goes
all haywire across the screen.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
He said, it's kind of like that. He said, it
basically just gets more and more and more and more
and more and.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
More sensitive as the season continues because they continue to
tweak the car, continue to tweak the car as Max
for Stap and liked it. But he said for for
Stap and it's great for everyone else, It's like using
a hyper sensitive mouse basically.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So then the key question is why not set up
two different cars for two three?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Allowed to do that in Formula One? Part of them?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, I presume, yeah, they build a car, but
look at McLaren and look at Ferrari again, two different drivers,
two very different drivers in each of those teams and Mercedes,
and they seem to click, and they seem they seem to.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Work very well.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Look, I think it proves that Sergio Perez and maybe
not as bad a driver as everybody what he was,
Pierre Gasley, not a batter driver, Alex albon So. So
back to back to Red Bulls decisions. Look, they should
have given leea more time in an RB car. They
can test him in an old car or give him practice
laps in an older card, it's not the new one.
(05:21):
That that that probably would have helped maybe longer in
the Racing Bulls team, which he is now going to get.
I think the key for Lawson now is to prove
to everyone that he still belongs an F one, which
he does. And it wouldn't it be amazing in Suzuka
and Japan next week if he qualified higher than the
than both Red Bulls, if not Yuki Sonoda, which is
(05:43):
probably going to happen.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I really hope he can use
this to fuel him, you know, I really hope he can.
He can use this as motivation to come out.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
He's always He's always struck me as a as a
tough kid, doesn't take a secret level on the track,
you know, And so this would have this would have
hurt of it, I'm sure, But again, he strikes me
as the type of kid who'll in the next a
few days get over that turn it around if he
hasn't already, and then just be so motivated to prove
(06:18):
a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Of people wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, I really really I hope you're right. I hope
he's able to do that very quickly. Caine's thump. The
tars Landers went down to the Brumbies last night, So
one for the Aussies, one for these Yellen teams. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Unfortunately for the Highlanders, I've lost another close one. That's
damaging as this season carries. I think there's three or
four losses in a row now, very very tight games
all of them. But gee, where was the Hurricanes Jack?
They look to have broken the shackles. That was an
amazing performance last night against the war Atars. I think
the second best Ossie team. They came to Wellington with
one loss and then bang the the Hurricanes struck fifty
(06:52):
points in them that the Hurricanes have always been known
as a flear type team with a lot of attack,
always very good lusies, you know, back in the when
the competition first started. Jerry Collins, Rodney Solo. We're seeing
that again. We saw that again last night from the Hurricane,
and so I think after a struggle at the start
of the season, I think we're seeing some good signs
out of the Canes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Have you seen adolescents yet?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
No, I haven't, but I've heard a lot of people
speaking about it at work, and I heard your intro
about the one shot per episode, if that makes sense.
That's a remarkable thing to do. That's a very very
tricky thing. I've seen music video shot with one shot,
but not forty five to fifty minutes of a TV
(07:35):
show episode. The interesting thing is I found out this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Just is that Brad Pitt and his production executive producers. Yeah,
a bit of a hand in it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And because he's a huge fan of Stephen Graham, they
work together and snatches all those years.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and how funny ah yeah key.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Stephen Graham looked like he was about seventeen and now
he's now, he's gone on to become a such a
fantastic gainst.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So good, Yeah, he's so good. All right, Hey, thank you, sir.
We've better keep moving. We'll catch again, sir in our
sporto Andrew Savill for.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
More from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live to
News talks 'B from nine a m. Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
B Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Doo. Okay,
excuse me, you know that theme? Okay, that is, of
course the theme to Star Wars and Bird which is
(00:36):
the theme to Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Obviously.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Uh, those written by the same guy. He also wrote
the theme to Jaws, the theme to Shindler's List, the
theme to e T. He wrote the songs for the
first two home alone films. Pretty amazing, eh. He wrote
songs in the Harry Potter films. He's a remarkable composer.
His name is John Williams. But the reason I'm mentioning
(01:01):
John Williams is he also had an incredibly musical son.
His son is called Williams, and Joe Williams just happens
to be the lead singer of Toto. What a crazy
kind of connection, eh. Anyway, I mean, how many how
many streams has has Africa had these days? Like several gazillion?
(01:22):
I would have thought we're going to catch up with
Joe Williams's affects are NW after ten o'clock this morning
to talk about his kind of life and career with Toto.
And some of his film work because he ended up,
of course working on The Lion King. So just one
of those kind of crazy Hollywood connections anyway, So I
really looking forward to that. Make sure you stick around
after ten o'clock this morning so you can hear Joe
Williams ahead of Toto's New Zealand shows. It's just coming
(01:45):
out to nine thirty now in our Sporto. Andrew Savill
is with us this morning. Count to sav got to
Jack G.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You're a mind of information. I had no idea about
the John. I mean, everybody knows that John Williams music score. Yeah,
you know, it's generations have grown up listening to his
movie score. Is what an amazing, an amazing connection. And
then has unproducers or helps produce a song like Africa
and Rosanna and toe the line.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's amazing, ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, just all those kind of connections. Yeah, so I
guess Joe Williams is singing Hakuna Matata, you know, as
simple as the adults.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yes, anyway, crazy connection speak.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Speaking of Star Wars, yeah, there's a few Darth Vader,
a few Darth Vader type characters coming out of Red Bull, right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, So First of all, what a fiesco. I just
can't it seems it seems so brutal.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing for Red Bull. I agree,
and I'm not saying I'm not saying Liam Lawson has
embarrassed them. I'm saying the decisions they have made this
primarily the one to drop Liam Lawson down to racing
balls after two racism is embarrassing. The rest of the
teams on pit Lane and Pit Lane will be laughing yeah,
(02:59):
and they will be the knives will be out. They
will be ready to tear chunks of Red Ball in
Japan at the end of next week. I've tried to
unpack this during the week.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Jack and I had the.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Good fortune of sitting down with Kenny Smith yesterday, a
great a legend of New Zealand motor sport, and he
just put a lot of things in layman's terms for
me about the Red Bull car being very twitchy at
the front and I said, what do you mean by that?
And he said, well, it's a chassis thing. And I said, well,
can't they fix that? He said, it's not a quick
fix because you wouldn't need to rebuild Liam Lawson a
(03:28):
whole new car if they wanted to move away from
the type of car that it'd set up for Max
for staff. And so that's the key issue there is
that it is incredibly hard to drive. But Liam Lawson,
given his talent, if he had time in that car,
I'm sure he would turn things around.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I was looking for an explanation of that as well,
because everyone says the Red Bull car so hard to drive,
and yep, it's great for Max, but everyone else finds
it so difficult. And clearly he's had all these different
teammates over the last few years, who have you know,
struggled to replicate his performances at the very least.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I saw an.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Interview with Alex Albon, who was his teammates. After a while,
he said, to put in labor'serms. He said, you know,
if you turn the sensitivity on a computer mouse, if
you turn that up to absolute max, and then you
bump the mouse and the cursor on your screen goes
all haywire across the screen.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
He said, it's kind of like that. He said, it
basically just gets more and more and more and more
and more and.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
More sensitive as the season continues because they continue to
tweak the car, continue to tweak the car as Max
for Stap and liked it. But he said for for
Stap and it's great for everyone else, It's like using
a hyper sensitive mouse basically.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So then the key question is why not set up
two different cars for two three?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Allowed to do that in Formula One? Part of them?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, I presume, yeah, they build a car, but
look at McLaren and look at Ferrari again, two different drivers,
two very different drivers in each of those teams and Mercedes,
and they seem to click, and they seem they seem to.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Work very well.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Look, I think it proves that Sergio Perez and maybe
not as bad a driver as everybody what he was,
Pierre Gasley, not a batter driver, Alex albon So. So
back to back to Red Bulls decisions. Look, they should
have given leea more time in an RB car. They
can test him in an old car or give him practice
laps in an older card, it's not the new one.
(05:21):
That that that probably would have helped maybe longer in
the Racing Bulls team, which he is now going to get.
I think the key for Lawson now is to prove
to everyone that he still belongs an F one, which
he does. And it wouldn't it be amazing in Suzuka
and Japan next week if he qualified higher than the
than both Red Bulls, if not Yuki Sonoda, which is
(05:43):
probably going to happen.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I really hope he can use
this to fuel him, you know, I really hope he can.
He can use this as motivation to come out.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
He's always He's always struck me as a as a
tough kid, doesn't take a secret level on the track,
you know, And so this would have this would have
hurt of it, I'm sure, But again, he strikes me
as the type of kid who'll in the next a
few days get over that turn it around if he
hasn't already, and then just be so motivated to prove
(06:18):
a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Of people wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, I really really I hope you're right. I hope
he's able to do that very quickly. Caine's thump. The
tars Landers went down to the Brumbies last night, So
one for the Aussies, one for these Yellen teams. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Unfortunately for the Highlanders, I've lost another close one. That's
damaging as this season carries. I think there's three or
four losses in a row now, very very tight games
all of them. But gee, where was the Hurricanes Jack?
They look to have broken the shackles. That was an
amazing performance last night against the war Atars. I think
the second best Ossie team. They came to Wellington with
one loss and then bang the the Hurricanes struck fifty
(06:52):
points in them that the Hurricanes have always been known
as a flear type team with a lot of attack,
always very good lusies, you know, back in the when
the competition first started. Jerry Collins, Rodney Solo. We're seeing
that again. We saw that again last night from the Hurricane,
and so I think after a struggle at the start
of the season, I think we're seeing some good signs
out of the Canes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Have you seen adolescents yet?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
No, I haven't, but I've heard a lot of people
speaking about it at work, and I heard your intro
about the one shot per episode, if that makes sense.
That's a remarkable thing to do. That's a very very
tricky thing. I've seen music video shot with one shot,
but not forty five to fifty minutes of a TV
(07:35):
show episode. The interesting thing is I found out this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Just is that Brad Pitt and his production executive producers. Yeah,
a bit of a hand in it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And because he's a huge fan of Stephen Graham, they
work together and snatches all those years.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and how funny ah yeah key.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Stephen Graham looked like he was about seventeen and now
he's now, he's gone on to become a such a
fantastic gainst.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So good, Yeah, he's so good. All right, Hey, thank you, sir.
We've better keep moving. We'll catch again, sir in our
sporto Andrew Savill for.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
More from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live to
News talks 'B from nine a m. Saturday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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