Full Show Podcast: 07 June 2025

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Speaker 3 (01:47):
Jack Team, who could.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Possibly, in their wildest dreams ever have imagined it? Who
could possibly have foreseen that the world's wealthiest man in
the world's most powerful politician might blow up their bromance
in the most spectacular fashion, Elon and Don feuding. No, No,

(02:09):
say it ain't so. The curious thing is the pair
of them, Donald Trump and Elon Musk do actually have
a few qualities in common. Hypocrisy for starters. I mean,
think about it. Having pledged many dozens of times to
pay down his country's debt, Donald Trump is pushing forward

(02:30):
legislation that will actually grow the debt by an estimated
four trillion New Zealand dollars. Four trillion dollars. That sounds
made up. Just think about it for a moment, right,
So if a billion is one thousand millions and a
trillion is one thousand billions, that's four thousand, thousand million dollars.

(02:54):
And then, having pledged to cut waste from the same
government's spending, Elon Musk of course, heroically cut support for
HIV positive mothers in the developing world, while simultaneously making
billions of dollars in subsidies and contracts that, what do
you know, benefit his own companies. Another common quality between

(03:15):
the two of them well, the speed of which they
both go nuclear. I mean, in the space of a
few hours, we've had Donald Trump threatening to cut SpaceX funding,
We've had Elon Musk threatening to decommission the rocket used
to get US astronauts to and from space, and an
accusation about the Epstein files made without any evidence, which,

(03:35):
nonetheless I thought the White House was notably less than
emphatic in denying. In my view, Elon Musk has been
headed for a big fall for a long long time.
I think his behavior's erratic, whether it's the Nazi salutes
or his public statements, I think he seems unbalanced, and

(03:58):
that's a generous term. I think the reporting about his
drug use is at the very least kind of consistent
with his appearance at the White US and the fact
that he's in multiple custody battles with multiple women over
children that he's barely spent any time with ever, I
think says an awful lot of awful about his character.

(04:19):
And while sure, at his best he has achieved some
extraordinary things. I, for one, used to be a big fan.
You only need to log into x to see that
one of the most productive human beings in the history
of our species is these days dedicating an obscene amount
of his time to juvenile posts, lies, and conspiracy theories

(04:42):
on social media. Unlike Donald Trump, Elon Musk isn't charismatic,
He isn't funny. The more people see of him, the
less they seem to like him and his products. And
despite his threats to start a third political party and
take down Republicans who support the president and the President's bill,

(05:04):
he doesn't have anything like the pulling power or the
kind of, you know, the cult support that Donald Trump enjoys.
In April, Elon Musk poured almost fifty million New Zealand
dollars into a single judicial election in Wisconsin and his
candidate lost. This wasn't like the federal elections. This wasn't
a presidential race. This was a single judicial election and

(05:27):
his candidate lost. If anything, Elon Musk's money and his
support hurt the guy's chances. So look, who knows where
this feud is headed. Maybe they will cool off and
make up in a few days time. Regardless though, as
far as I'm concerned, there will only be one winner,
and it won't be Elon Musk.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Team ninety two.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Ninety two is the text number if you want to
flick aus message this morning. I don't forget the standard
text costs supply. If you do that, you can email
me as well. Jacket Newstalks he'd b dot co dot NZ.
Big win for the Crusaders last night, pretty strong performance
against the Reds. If anything, I think the score probably
flattered the Reds. But will count down to the Chiefs
Blues when our Sporto joins us very shortly. Kevin milnser

(06:08):
next twelve minutes past nine. It's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame.
This is news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Saturday mornings with Jack, Tay and bepwart on code on
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Speaker 2 (06:23):
Mb ah and flick me a note to say, Jack,
welcome to the asylum to unquestionably unhinged individuals squabbling in
a megla mamiac sandbox, Peter says, Jack, enjoyed your opening
comments this morning. I'm with you, don't like either Trump
or Elon Musk, but if it's a contest between the
two of them, I cannot see Elon Musk coming out
on top. And how about this, Ben is waking up

(06:45):
on Lake Techapore this morning. There for the weekend, Jack.
It's minus three where snowed in. It's cold, but it's great,
absolutely loving the snow. Thanks Ben, send us a photo.
By all means, I'm deeply envious. I mean, if you're
in that part of the world, that's where you want
to be snowed in. Don't you think someone like Lake
Techapaul somewhere as beautiful as Lake Techable ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us a text mess you

(07:06):
can email me as well. Of course, Kevin Melne is
with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Killed Kevin Morning Jack, who is that brilliant listener? Who
sends him that first the first comment about the about much.
Can I hear that again?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, welcome to the asylum as Ann and his two
unquestionably unhinged individuals squabbling in a megalo maniac sandbox. There
you go.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
She ought to be she ought to be doing my job. Yeah,
that's wonderful, wonderfully colorful writing.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, this isn't it. That is very very good. Thank you, Anne.
I've got plenty more of those messages too, so I'll
get to those in a couple of minutes, Kevin. A
milestone from mister and missus Meln this week, or should
we say a Milne stone.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yes, Linda and I had an important milnstone during the week. Yes.
On Wednesday, it was fifty years since our first date.
It was very much on our minds during the day,
but we didn't celebrate much. I posted a photo office
from back in our dating days on Facebook and we
dined out. Unlike birthdays, anniversaries are tricky things that it's

(08:11):
still three years till our fifty years golden wedding anniversary,
and that's when most couples make a fuss. But I
think more about our first date than I do about
our wedding day. It was so much at stake. Our
wedding day was enjoyable, but a process to be gone through.
When the priest said to Linda, do you take this man, etc. Etc.

(08:33):
I knew she'd say yes. But our first date was
risky as hell. When I leaned over to kiss Linda
good night, she could have gone, what the hell? We're
just friends after all. Most first dates don't lead to
a life together. So I reckon for me anyway, our
fifty years since our first date is a more significant

(08:54):
date than our golden wedding will be. I'm not even
sure we'd have got married. If we hadn't, Linda, who's
an English woman or was, would have been thrown out
of the country. It was a kind of a shotgun
wedding with the Ministry of Internal Affairs holding the rifle.
There's a third option, what young people now call I
think making it formal. The day you announce on social

(09:17):
media that you're now a couple. Apparently it's a bigger
deal than your first date together. But without the formality
of an engagement, Will that be the day that those
couples celebrate fifty years later. So you're going to have
a fiftieth anniversary of your first date, or the fiftieth
anniversary of the day you made it formal, or your

(09:38):
golden wedding day. The hope, of course, is just that
you'll last fifty years together. Ah, what event you'd like
that to celebrate?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Jack, Well, it's even more complicated for me, shockingly, Kevin.
But first of all, congratulations, But that is such an achievement.
That is like a really amazing achievement, and you should
both be so proud of that because you know, it's yeah,
there aren't many couples who go fifty years in this
day and age. So do you know the term for
when you launch it on social media? Do you know
what they call it?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
I think that is it called something like making it formal.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's called I called a hard launch, a hard launch.
So that's so yeah. I mean I feel like you've
probably been hard launched in the women's magazines or something already,
so it probably doesn't. But when so, that's when you
go on your social media you put a photo up.
I had to check with my producer Libby, because of
course this isn't something I'd ever be interested in. But
as when you go and when you go and put

(10:31):
a photo of you and your and your partner up
on social media, and inevitably all your friends immediately make
comments after underneath saying like ooh. But the reason it's
more complicated for me is because so we had the
first date, but then we also got married twice. Yeah,
so it's like, so, I so even even celebrating our

(10:53):
wedding anniversary is difficult because I always think we had
a we had a marriage, and then we had a wedding.
That's how I tell myself, because we got married at
the kitchen table because my wife's aid behind and it
was really important for us to be married before we
lived together. So we got married kitchen table, and then
eight months later or whatever, we had a wedding. So
we sort of have multiple anniversaries. And then of course

(11:14):
we have the first date as well, so it's like
getting a bit over the top.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
To be perfectly, you're left to select one of the two.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, exactly exactly, So it's.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, it is a bit fifty years. It's just great.
It's what your hope, what your dream will happen, you know,
and you know it might not and and so yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well it's always a punch because you're a sector effectively
selecting someone that you hope you will grow with, don't you.
Because the person you are today is inevitably in some
way is going to be different to the person you
were fifty years ago. But you sort of hope that
you're underlying values and your underlying persona or character is
such that you'll both grow in the same direction and

(11:55):
be able to kind of support each other to flourish
in that time. Yes, yeah, exactly, it's really lovely Kevin.
Congratulations and please pass on our congrats to your better
half as well. Thanks again for your feedback this morning. Jack,
Neither Elon Musk or Donald Trump are winners. They're the
biggest losers ever America in the world deserve better than
this horrible, horrible circus. Jack. The longer the squabble goes on,

(12:18):
the better and Jack very typical of mainstream media to
spread a negative narrative about Elon Musk. He's the most
brilliant person in the world. I certainly think that he's brilliant,
but I just think he's an incredibly flawed character as well.
And yeah, when it comes to you know two, arguably
somewhat brilliant and arguably flawed characters having a public feud

(12:40):
of this magnitude. I just think that Donald Trump is
likely to come out on top ninety two. If you
want to send us a message. This morning, twenty one
past nine, you were Jack Tame on News Talks dB.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Hi, Jack, I managed to fit my first date, engagement
and wedding all into the same day, says Rob. I
mean that is seriously impressive. I thought that Rob was
maybe one of those what was that terrible TV show
Married at First Sight contestants? No, no, Rob managed to
do it on different years. So the ninth of November
is Rob's for the anniversary for Rob's first date, his engagement,

(13:24):
and his wedding. He says, I still don't think my
wife has put that all together after twenty eight years.
Tell you what, Rob, that is incredibly organized and cunning,
just efficient. Just one date to remember, you know, one
entry in your calendar. Jack, Good morning from west Auckland.
We're taking our sister to a netball games this morning.
Can you shout out the Massy Nuggets? Thanks a Reef, Yes,
I can. It's just one of those days you get

(13:46):
them in winter eight like winter sports, on days like
today when it's just so cold and you go to
netball and the poor little kids like the answer are
basically hypothermic trying to catch the ball. Well, my favorite
wasn't playing rugby on mornings like this on Hagley Park.
You go out, the ground is literally frozen solid, the
steam come off it. You run out onto the pitch

(14:08):
for a nine am kickoff and in the first mall
of the day someone stamps on your toeety two. If
you want to send us a message this morning, let
us know what the weather's doing at your place. It's
twenty five past nine and our sporto Andrew Saville is
here this morning.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Got v kelder Jack. You'll be pleased to know I
was a fellow Southern man. I've been wearing jandles around
the house this morning, have you and outside?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
M hm outside as well?

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Barmie, mate, it's barmie.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I didn't think it's barmie. I don't, I wouldn't. I
don't consider this weather very barmie. It's but there's minus
three in parts of the South Islands morning, snow everywhere.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Well, it looked like minus three last night and christ
Vader's game it was it was a well it's inevitable
in winter, right. Not many people turned up, but I'd
imagine they're also saving their cash for next week's home
semi final, which the Crusaders were always guaranteed played well
given the conditions. Given the Queensland Reds seemed nothing to lose.

(15:06):
But they were up i think twenty seven nil with
about ten to play before the Reds got on the board,
so quite one sided. A good workout for the Crusaders.
Forwards to Mighty Williams bit of a concern about a
knee injury. If he is out for the next week,
could do that would be a big loss.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
He has well confused why he kept on playing actually,
especially with that, you know, he sort of he went down,
they strapped it early and then he played on for
a bit and then he wore pubbed off. I was like,
well do you do it? Like get off save yourself
for the semi.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
I'm sure they thought about that, and I'm sure they
are reasons made the decision to leave Mam with it
and maybe not getting worse. But anyway, we'll wait and
see how bad it is. But they moved forward and
out of the semi final. Now I'll try not to
confuse you too.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Much, but they'll leave the play.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
By my calculations, the Blues or the Canes or the Brumbies.
The Chiefs win or lose, are into the semis as well,
and they will play either the Canes or the Brumbies.
So things be coming a little bit clearer in this
qualifying final period of this new competition or new final series.

(16:15):
But all eyes will be of course on Hamilton tonight
with the Chiefs hosting the Blues.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
Should be a good game.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, it should be a great game repeatd last year's
final course, What are you making of the kind of
final finals format? This sort of already feels like we
should have stumbled at their Is that unfair?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Look?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
I think they've clearly done it because they thought if
it was just top four, none of the Aussie teams
will get in. But the Aussie teams have actually played
quite well a few of them anyway. This year also
also extra revenue for the for the for the super franchises.
I think, and a lot of people I'm sure would
agree that one and two have the week off they
go through to the semis and then three plays six

(16:52):
or plays five. That's much cleaner, so I think they
may have to look at that for for next year.
It also it also gives the two top qualifiers a
bit of a breather, which a lot of other competitions do.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, it does. Fifteen Mowana PACIFICA players released from the
free and it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah, there's a lot of players to let go. Reading
through the list, there's not a lot of regular starters
in that list. The big losses Kyron Tomoyflower, the who's
had such an impressive season from Marlborough. There's been a
lot of talk around the last couple of months that
other super teams were circling. It looks like he will

(17:32):
go to the Chiefs. It's a shame because this is
the way Mowana has to operate, and I think we've
discussed this in the past. Are pretty much playing with
one tied behind their back when it comes to recruiting
and being able to affward players, and other teams are
now going to pick players off. Miracle Fire Lungey very
impressive loose forward. I think he has re signed with Milana,

(17:54):
but I'm sure other teams have been circling around him
as well. But a lot of those players on that
list jack either bench players or wider squad players, so
I think that needs to be taken into context.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
But that is a lot of.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Players to let go, but it will free up salary
budget and I'm sure they are recruiting as we speak.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, did you know anything about Rob Walter, the new
Black captain? Yeah, they a little bit.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, I knew he'd coached the Otargo for several years
and it done quite well in the South and then
he shifted the central districts. He's always had a fair
amount of success with those provincial teams, and then he
went back to his homeland of South Africa and took
on their one day and T twenty international team. So
very much a lengthy New Zealand coaching pedigree, which obviously

(18:42):
helped in the job application process.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
So I think it's a good choice.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
I think a guy who's obviously had extensive coaching, He's
coached T twenty franchise teams in South Africa and in
the IPL. He hasn't had a lot of red ball experience.
But given there's a lot of players in the New
Zealand outfit that play all three. I don't think that'll
be a major major issue. He's got some good assistance

(19:09):
that will remain from the previous coaching set up. So
and I just meeting him yesterday, I think he's got
that little bit of typical South African steel to him.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, right as well.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
And remember those great South African one days of the
nineties and nearly twos.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Is just half the black Caps.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Well, and there's a lot of Black Caps was born
in South Africa.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
You were going to say it, not me?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Say to him yesterday with tongue feeling cheek, did he
know of any young South Africans wanting to come and
live here?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Exactly Republic And I'm sure he'll be casting a net
across the eastern bays of the north shore of Auckland.
But no, I just think he'll I think he'll Garry
steadboard in each to this team, and I think Rob
Walter will Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
And it's a sort of funny time for cricket a
because I mean, the whole kind of world of cricket
is changing and that all of this ranchise cricket is
becoming more and more prominent and actually finding those windows
is going to be more difficult, you know, players who
want to go off contract. You sort of feel like
we're in a bit of a transition period for the
game and particularly.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Yeah, that's the biggest issue is going to be keeping
players happy, retaining them in the black Caps, making sure
they want to play for the black Cats, yes almost
and have, and striking up a winning team but at
the same time leading them in the big money yeah,
overseas in the IPL and other competition.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
So yeah, real juggling act.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
But that's the biggest issue of him.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Before we let you go. Warrior Sharks tonight Sydney.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
Yeah, but game.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
I think the Warriors have now won three away games
in New South Wales on the trot, I think from
the first since this is the first time since their
first year in nineteen ninety five, which is quite remarkable.
And I think they've won five away from home.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
So stiff.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Challenged tonight in Cronulla at the Sharks without much Bunny
who's gone for the season. But the Warriors have proved
us all wrong so far with the mad injuries. I've
had other players step in and filled the breach. So
we'll wait and see what happens.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Very good, Thank you, sir. Is Oh well, apparently I'm
not too concerned about the cold Sporto this morning walking
around his place in Jandles. He's not the only one.
Cameras flipped me a note to say Jack, I live
in an old sharing quarters with timber flooring, and drew
a Peho it ain't warm, but I still haven't put
my socks on. Good on your camera, and you're tougher
than me, Lyle says an hour ago, I sent the

(21:28):
furry where the satellite out for a comfort stop. It
wasn't raining, but it was cold. Now it is raining,
and we've reached our high of six degrees for the
day already. I worry that my phone's a little too pessimistic. Yeah,
I hope things warm up, Lyle ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us a message, it's twenty
seven to ten your film picks for this week next
On news talks, he'd be.

Speaker 8 (21:47):
Like your days, your ain't exploding like five would scarce.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Don't you win the body?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I can do this all.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
We you'll be down to do the morning the baby
boy step. I'm not sure about this one. Not totally
convinced if I'm one hundreds and honest. This song is
called Sapphire. It's a brand new track from Ed Sheer
And so he's closed his book or closed our book
on his decades long Mathematics album and it's entering a

(22:23):
new era with his upcoming album. It's called Play. It's
going to come out in September. So I'm sure we're
going to be hearing our whole lot more about that.
Getting text from all around the country this morning. Turns
out it's not very warm anywhere. Marses and Hawk's Bay
and says Jack, You're not gonna believe it's just started
sleeting here and I'm working in this. Good luck, mars
keep warm cold as and wanaka perfect for snowmaking.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Today.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Good to hear right now is twenty four to ten
on News Talks. He'd be Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewer,
and she's here with this week's pick Scout of Francisca.

Speaker 9 (22:55):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, let's start off where the movie is showing in
cinemas at the moment. From the world of John Wick.
This is Ballerina.

Speaker 10 (23:04):
In Slavic mythology, the kima is a spirit that exists
in the shadows. To those with darkness in their hearts.
She can be vengeful. To the inner sector, she can
be a protector. He's up to you the juice.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Dun Dun, dun tell us about Bellerina.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
Okay, so the.

Speaker 11 (23:33):
Full title of this film is from the world of
John Wick Bellerina. You should give you a little a
bit of an idea about what you're in for here.
So this is the fifth installment of the John Wick franchise.
It is a spin off that sits sits between the
events of john Wick Chapter three and chapter four.

Speaker 9 (23:51):
Doesn't matter.

Speaker 11 (23:52):
You don't really need to know that. If you're really
into John Wick, you'll you'll love seeing sort of reoccurring
characters and all that kind of thing. But if you're not,
if you're not huguely familiar with all the films, it
does not matter. The original John Wick film was released
in twenty fourteen. It was made on about a thirty
million dollar budget. Of course, starre Encounter reeves no one
kind of thought it was going to be hugely successful.

(24:13):
These films are no one for being ultra violent and
very entertaining along with it, but became a bit of
a cult classic and next thing, you know, they're making
films on a hundred million dollar budget and this is
now everyone is a little bit surprised. It's turned into
a billion dollar box off this franchise. So this is

(24:34):
very much more of the same. But there's two things
that make this film work.

Speaker 9 (24:39):
The first thing is.

Speaker 11 (24:41):
They've kind of given up pretending that these films are
anything more than just a gun fight from the beginning
to the end. You know, they've been there have been
films where they've tried to kind of do world building
and create kind of you know, some intriguan No, we
go to this film purely for entertainment. It is like
a first person shoot a video game. I suppose on

(25:03):
the big screen that's what it's about.

Speaker 9 (25:04):
And in this one they go, that's what we're about.

Speaker 11 (25:07):
Let's just get on with it, and my goodness, they
this is not the most relaxing film I've seeing.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Well.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
The second thing that they've got that they did right
was they got Amada Amas to start as our lead
assassin Eve and she is just fantastic in this revenge plot.

Speaker 9 (25:24):
So she's a ballerina.

Speaker 11 (25:25):
She trained with the assassin tribe the Ruskioma, run by
Angelica Houston, and she was. She's a young assassin who's
sort of been allowed out to get.

Speaker 9 (25:41):
On with her work.

Speaker 11 (25:42):
She comes across the tribe of assassins who killed her
father when she was a child, and she decides to
go off on her own on this very ultra violent
sort of vengeance sort of mission. Really simple plot, really
simple idea, we've seen it all before, but she is
just she's something else. When she's training, she's told, you

(26:03):
need to fight like a girl, because yeah, you're going
to come acros people who are stronger than you, so
you can.

Speaker 12 (26:07):
Have to do whatever it takes.

Speaker 9 (26:10):
I'll tell you what, this woman does not fight like
a girl. She doesn't fight like a man.

Speaker 13 (26:13):
She just fights like the best fight of.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
Your going to come across.

Speaker 11 (26:15):
Like what she can do yet with a gun, a knife,
with your hand combat is hugely impressive. What she can
do with ice skates is terrifying.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
Yeah, and also flame throwers.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
I mean there is not there is not an instrument.

Speaker 13 (26:34):
She cannot reeld with great power.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
It was full on.

Speaker 9 (26:38):
So as they said, this is not relaxing.

Speaker 11 (26:40):
But if this if you love the John Work films
and you want ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (26:44):
Action from beginning to eat.

Speaker 9 (26:46):
You're going to get into this.

Speaker 11 (26:47):
You just buy into it and you go along for
the ride that never lives up and Ciano Reads makes
a little appearance as well.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
All good. Okay, see, I can tell now why they've
made the made the title from the world of John
Wick Ballerina as opposed to just ballerina. If they called
it Ballerina. And then there's a film like this, there
might be a few people.

Speaker 14 (27:08):
A bit of a rough.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Absolutely, yeah, okay. Now screening as part of the French
Film Festival is a black comedy called How to Make
a Killing. So tell us about how to make a killing?

Speaker 14 (27:21):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (27:22):
So my theme today with both these films is that
they involve criminal gangs, but they deal with them in
very different kinds of way.

Speaker 9 (27:29):
Way.

Speaker 11 (27:29):
So the French Film Festival is traveling the country. It
goes everywhere. It's fantastic. It's on till the end of June.
And I really love law Calamack. She's an actress who
was an antoinette in The Seven, which is a film
I just loved, and she is back in this black
crime comedy.

Speaker 9 (27:45):
And she starts along.

Speaker 11 (27:47):
She's part of a lovely couple. They're just very ordinary
rural people in a mountain sort of area in France.
They they grow pine trees and a pretty simple life. Anyway,
her husband, Michelle, he swerves one day to avoid a
bear on the road. They don't often get bears where
they are, and then he sort of accidentally hits another

(28:08):
car and there's some consequences from that where.

Speaker 9 (28:11):
A couple die.

Speaker 11 (28:13):
And he's a very sort of calm, relaxed, understated gentleman,
so he kind of looks at what's happened and he
goes home and he tells his wife and his son,
his young son, I killed a couple today. And so
she's a big reader of crime books and so she's like, Okay,
we've got to sort this out. We've got to remove
you from the picture. And she comes up with this

(28:35):
idea that if they get rid of the bodies, if
there's no bodies and there's no crime, and they'll be
off there. So if they go back to this car,
try and tidy out this mess, and all they do
is just create another big mess, but they also find
a bag of money, and off we go on this
kind of crazy adventure in this small town where you

(28:55):
can kind of see people's logic. But what happens is
they just create this really nutty scenario. And I love
the fact because it's just everybody. It's just ordinary, everyday
people did worth situation they're not used to. We've got
we've got drug dealers, we've got you know, drug mules,
we've got gang members, and.

Speaker 9 (29:13):
Then we've just got this lovely police force.

Speaker 15 (29:15):
And I did.

Speaker 9 (29:16):
I really enjoyed the police force. Who they're not.

Speaker 11 (29:20):
They're smart people. They don't live in this world, right,
The safe they don't. No one can remember what the
code is for the safe. The cell doesn't lock because
the lock broke and they never used need to use it.
So that doesn't look like it's just it's just gorgeous.
So it's just this kind of, you know, this high
brow kind of gang thing that sort of takes place
in this very low.

Speaker 13 (29:39):
Key, little rural fringe town.

Speaker 11 (29:41):
Quite delightful, loved it.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, okay, that sounds like a lot of fun. That's
how to make a killing. At screening as part of
the French Film Festival and hey, I see that the
Oscar winning film. I think I want an Oscar an
aura is now on me on.

Speaker 11 (29:52):
A yes, So look, if you missed it when it
was out at the movies at Christmas time, and you
have me on it as free to get into it
and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I think we're going to do this every week. Well,
every week there's something good. Any of that time there's
been a really good little you know, like an Oscar
Winner film that's really taken your attention, that you've fancied
and it's heading the streaming services for the first time.
Then we can let everyone know in case they've missed
it in cinemas, yep, exactly.

Speaker 9 (30:13):
So you know when it's available on a streaming service
for free.

Speaker 11 (30:16):
I'm going to let you know when the films that
you should have seen this here that you've missed are available.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Hey, thanks Ray Sesca, have a great weekend and we
will see you again very soon. So franch Exis Film
Picks this weekend from the world of John Wick Ballerina.
That's the one that's showing in cinemas at the moment,
the hyper violent one, the one at the French Film
Festival is how to Make a Killing. After ten o'clock
this morning, if you're just feeling like a weekend veging
out on the couch, there's this new Robin Malcolm show

(30:41):
that has just hit Netflix. It's actually Australian drama, but
we're going to tell you about that. And as well
as that, there's brand new research into vaping that's just
been released by Oxford University and it has some really
interesting insights. So I'm going to share those with you
after ten o'clock this morning. Right now, though it is quarter.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
To ten Saturday Mornings with Jack Dave, keeping the conversation
going through the weekend with bepure dot co dot ends
here for high quality Supplements used talks eNB So.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Kevin Milne and his wife Linda are celebrating the fiftieth
anniversary of their first date. It's going to be another
couple of years before they celebrate the fiftieth wedding anniversary.
Their fiftieth wedding anniversary, but it's got us thinking about
which anniversaries you do and don't celebrate. How about this, Jack,
good morning. I'm not a Star Wars fan, despite being
a guy in my early forties. However, the smartest thing
I ever did was get married on International Star Wars Day.

(31:31):
May the fourth be with you. Absolutely no excuse to
ever forget that anniversary.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Day.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, true that it's a good one, isn't it. My
parents got married on New Year's Day, which is a controversial,
a very controversial call, because I don't know if you've
ever heard, but it turns out that quite a few
people party hard on New Year's Eve. It meant that
some of the wedding day photos were just my may
or may might or might not have been a few
people feeling a little bit dusty come the wedding day itself. Anyway,

(32:00):
we need not throw stones. Twelve minutes to ten on
News Talks, eDV Nicki Wicks our cook is here with
us this morning, Gelder Nikki, I love those stories.

Speaker 16 (32:10):
How do people pick the wearing David your pearans?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, I actually I've mislead people. So yeah, so they
had so my dad's best man was also getting married,
and so he and so he and my dad I think,
flipped a coin to see, no, something ridiculous like this,
to see who would get married on what day? And
so the friend got married won the coin toss, and
so got married on the thirty first, and my parents

(32:33):
lost the coin toss. I got married the next day
on the first. It's like, guys, put two days in between, like,
am I the only one?

Speaker 16 (32:41):
Not only that, as you say, there are other parties
going on at that time of the year. Everyone needs
a bit of a pick for your years. Got married
in the middle of winds great idea, yea, the sensible.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Anyway, it is anyway, So I think what next week
is Celiac week, right, and so we want to talk
about gluten free baking this morning. But I think we
want to be really clear for anyone who hears gluten
friend goes er. Gluten free food can and often is delicious,
even if you're not gluten free totally totally.

Speaker 16 (33:16):
It's got a really bad rap because the early sort
of inventions I suppose of gluten free baking.

Speaker 11 (33:22):
For example, were like cardboard.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
Yeah, I can attest to that they really were.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
But anything with almond meal, we've had this con you've
almond meal and something, my godness.

Speaker 16 (33:32):
So much fat in that arm and it's just beautiful
and it's healthy fats as well. So I agree, and
I do think that this sort of this this week,
this upcoming week, I really wanted to, I suppose, reassure
people that it's not just a thing that people dream up.
It's an absolute condition. It's not an allergy or intolerance.

(33:53):
It's actually an autoimmune disease. And so if you are
predisposed and you have celiac disease, it means your body,
your lovely six point seven meter long and small intestine
that does all the work about taking in all nutrients
for what goes into it, cannot and will not process
those nutrients if you've got gluten in there. So it's

(34:15):
a real problem for people. There are also an allergies
or intolerances where people feel a bit yuck, get a
bit inflamed, feel a bit bloated, irritable, bow all that
sort of thing, and that deserves to be kind of
acknowledged as well. It's funny, isn't it, Jack, These kind
of uzine issues quite often, you know, just produce an
eye roll in people. Also because gluten intolerant people celiacs

(34:40):
need to be much more careful. But gluten intolerant people
like me. Sometimes I'll eat breads, so people go, oh, look,
she's eating bread.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (34:47):
What I say to people is, you know, if you're
someone who gets a hangover, sometimes you still get drunk,
don't you, But then you you just suffer the consequences
because you wanted that, So it's a little bit the same. So, yeah,
it's a thing, and it's really worth having a few
fantastic little recipes up your.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Sleeves and you have one for us small that is
not only delicious, but the good thing about this is like,
this is a this is a chocolate biscuit that is
really going to kind of satiate you. Right, So you're
not going to eat fifty well no in one city.
Yeah no, you're not going to eat fifty.

Speaker 16 (35:21):
You're not going to eat eight like I did with
the beautiful gluten free gingernuts that I got sent by.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Cea Egg for the Sea.

Speaker 16 (35:28):
I had six and then I had another two. I
may have had more.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Judge me, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 9 (35:34):
These ones.

Speaker 16 (35:34):
I could not do that. These ones have got a
cup of peanut butter in them. And so for those
of you who have you know, been tempted to switch
off because it was gluten free, and now you go,
oh hope, peanut butter and baking. I don't love it either,
but these are the bomb, I'm telling you. So here
you go, oven on one eighty degrees line, a baking
tray with some baking paper, and all you do is

(35:55):
in an electric bet or a food process that you
take about three quarters of a cup of sugar, and
I like the larger granulationship and not.

Speaker 9 (36:02):
Past sugar yet regular sugar.

Speaker 16 (36:04):
Three quarters of a cup. Extend it to a cup
if you really love very very sweet things. One cup
of peanut butter, one cup of peanut butter, pat full
of protein, one large egg, and you want to just
mix all of that until it's kind of a nice
paste if you like. And then throw in your chopped chocolate,
and you can use a teaspoon or two of vanilla

(36:26):
extract if you like.

Speaker 12 (36:27):
You could leave that out as well.

Speaker 16 (36:29):
It's quite a clumpy dough jack. It's sort of like, oh,
this is all a bit weird, because I like to
keep that dark chocolate really nice and big. Roll them
into balls and it'll make about twelve that's Roll it
in balls and then flatten about the size of a
walnut or a golf ball. Flatten them with you with
the palm of your hand, and then into the oven
they go fourteen to sixteen minutes. I actually take them

(36:52):
out at eight minutes and I flatten them again because
I like a cookie that's quite flat. I don't like
a puffed up cookie, call them on a rack, eat
them and they are delicious. And I just recommend sometimes
that when you're doing gluten free cooking that you don't
tell people there gluten free.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yes with that, yes, very very wise. Okay, all right, hey,
thank you so much. We'll make sure that recipe is
on the news talks he'd be website and Nikki actually
has two more delicious gluten free recipes and this weekend's
edition of Canvas.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
Know Saturday Mornings with Jack dam and VPWRE dot co
dot nzet for high quality Supplements News talks'd be Well.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
My parents were married on Christmas Day? How about that?
Here you go, Jack. My parents were married on Boxing
Day in the Milton Presbyterian Church nineteen forty nine. I
was born eleven months later on the first of November.
Thank you, Kevin ninety two ninety two. If you want
to send us a text message this morning, you can
email me as well, of course, after ten o'clock this morning.
This new research out of Oxford University has some really

(37:51):
interesting insights on the pitfalls of vaping.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
The research suggests that vaping is definitely a better alternative
to smoking, but that the danger of vaping is that
because it's kind of been cool and been taken up
by a lot of young people, lots of people are
vaping who otherwise would not have been smoking anyway. They've
done a whole weep of research into things like COPD
and other negative health effects. So I'm going to tell

(38:18):
you a bit more about that research after ten o'clock
this morning, as well as that Apple is preparing for
its developer conference that's the start of next week, and
the word on the grapevine is there are going to
be a whole lot of changes coming to the likes
of your iPhones operating software, if you use an iPad
or a MacBook, things are going to be changing on

(38:39):
that as well. So we're going to catch up with
our text, but he's going to explain exactly what's going
to be changing and if it's going to make life easier,
as well as that. Of course, our feature interview right
after the ten o'clock news. Cannot wait for this. It
is ten years since Nadia Limb first published Easy Weeknight Meals.
Nadia Limb maybe the busiest woman in the world, is
going to be with us right after the ten o'clock news.

(39:00):
It's almost ten, news is next. I've Jack tave, It's
Saturday Morning, and this is Newstalk.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Zed V.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and vpure dot co dot insid for high
Quality Supplements news Talks.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Nadia Liimb is a chef with her fingers and basically
every pie. She's a master chef, New Zealand champion, a
cookbook author, a TV personality, an entrepreneur, and an inspiration
to many of us in the kitchen and in the
garden for that matter. Her recipes and her passion shape
the way that many of us approach food, and to

(39:58):
mark the tenth anniversary of a cookbook that got so
many of us excited to cook simple, healthy, delicious meals
at home, Easy Weeknight Meals has been re released in
a very special edition, Nadia Limb as well us this
morning Calder, good morning.

Speaker 9 (40:11):
Sure, Hey Jack, it's good to talk to you. I
feel like it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, he's been a wee while. Good to have a
friend of the show back on the show. So yeah,
we we appreciate you giving us your time, especially given
you are basically just the world's most ridiculously busy person.

Speaker 9 (40:27):
Speak for yourself.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Hey, So I can imagine that when the publisher comes
to you and says it's the tenth anniversary of Easy
week in Weeknight Meals that you kind of have two responses. Like,
part of you is like, oh, this would be a
really good opportunity to share some other recipes if we
if we do a bit of a tenth anniversary special edition.
But the other side of you is like, ten years,

(40:50):
Oh my god, what so how do you how do
you how do you reconcile those feelings?

Speaker 14 (40:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (40:56):
Ten ten years goes faster. I feel like the older
you get, the faster time goes. I'm sure you know
lots of people.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
Feel that way. My mum always used to say it,
and it's absolutely true.

Speaker 13 (41:08):
I mean, I'm forty this year, and I started this
journey out when I was like twenty five, and gosh,
the time's just flown by. But it's often when like
I've always I've never been a great person at kind
of looking back in the past, but when anniversaries like
this come around, it's a good time to kind of
look back and stop pause and reflect and go, wow,
just think back to ten years ago and what things

(41:32):
were like back then, and what I was doing back then,
and what I was feeling back then, and what the
business was like back then, and you know, fast forward
to now, and it's it's a really good time to
reflect and I think about I remember creating this book
Easy Weeknight Meals, ten years ago, and I was brand
new into the into the industry. You know, it was
such a big deal to be creating a cookbook and

(41:54):
doing all the food starting for it and creating all
the recipes and writing them and editing them and all
of that.

Speaker 9 (41:59):
And now I've had, you know, over ten years experience
of doing it, and it's just like I can do it,
you know, easy peasy.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah easy. I mean
I'm easy peasy for you, not for the rest of
us maybe. But is it like when you think back
over that time, correct me if I'm wrong. You you
weren't living down south by that stage, jay, No.

Speaker 11 (42:18):
No, We've only been down south for six years, yes,
at Auckland. And it was when so my food bag
is almost thirteen years old, or it's twelve years old.
So back then you know, the business was very very new.
It was only a couple of years old, and it
was in such a different place.

Speaker 13 (42:35):
I mean back then we started off with just two
bags and you had if you ordered my food bag,
you had to get what I had said.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
You were going to eat, yeah night.

Speaker 9 (42:45):
And now, you know, fastward of just over ten years,
it is so different.

Speaker 13 (42:49):
Now every week there's over thirty different recipes to choose from,
so people create their own bag now they can. And
now we have like vegan recipes and vegetarian recipes and
low card recipes and fresh start recipes and bargain box recipies.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
Like, it's just so so different.

Speaker 13 (43:03):
We've got the ready made meals and we've now got
a gift service called shop Like it's just a completely
different business.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's massively expanded out. Well I'm not being paid to
say this, I swear, but we are my food bag
house and my wife and I always like have a
little competition to see who's going to be on the
app to choose the next week next week's meals. You know,
so yes, so absolutely love that. So if you go
back ten years, what did you want to try and
achieve with this book when it was first.

Speaker 13 (43:31):
Published, well back then, it was just we just wanted
to put all of the top rated recipes into a collection,
and so that's simply how we did it. We so
from day one, we've always collected data and information from
our customers about which recipes they love the most. So
from day one, customers have always been able to rate

(43:52):
the recipes out of five and that data has come
in so handy because we know what people really want
and you know, there's it's it's it's kind of simple,
but it's also massively complicated at the same time, Like
if you could look into my food Bags data system,
it is a massive the amount of analysis we do.
There's like AI and everything involved in it now. But
there's all these continuums. There's all these like continuums where

(44:14):
things are rated on like on their taste and flavor
and the nutritional you know, their nutritional aspect, the convenience,
how fast they are, and the algorithms like put everything
together to come up with the perfect recipes.

Speaker 9 (44:29):
It's it's it sounds simple, but it's kind of complicated.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But yeah, so you write the recipes now, well, so.

Speaker 9 (44:38):
When we started again, this is just so crazy, how
fast time moves.

Speaker 13 (44:42):
So when I first started out, you know, obviously it
started with me writing all of the recipes, and then
after about six months, I got an assistant who started
helping with writing and developing the recipes.

Speaker 9 (44:51):
And then five years later there was probably about.

Speaker 13 (44:54):
Twenty people in the development kitchen, and now we would
have I'm going to take a stab in the dark,
but this is a good educated guess, a good guestimation.
We've probably got about fifteen to twenty thousand recipes on our.

Speaker 9 (45:08):
Database now, and they're all rated.

Speaker 13 (45:10):
Like I was saying that, there's there's different scales for everything,
you know, convenience, how fast they taste, what ingredients they use,
their nutritional aspect, and so now the analysis can kind
of take an algorithm and put all those things together
and create recipes from those from that existing database. It's

(45:33):
like half human and half half algorithm.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah that's pretty good. Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 9 (45:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 13 (45:41):
It's just kind of evolved to that now. But yeah,
it's quite a quite a like sophisticated system.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Now does it spit out a recipe that you're like, well,
hang on, like it's gone okay. People really love you know,
a tie green curry. But they also really love cheesy
beef sliders. And it's like, we've got your thie green
cheesy beef sliders, and you're thinking, I'm not percent sure
that there's going to land.

Speaker 13 (46:05):
No, it's it's more like, so if people loved a
ti green curry, then you can you can go. Okay,
people loved.

Speaker 9 (46:13):
The tigreen curry.

Speaker 13 (46:14):
They love those flavors, but we want to use these
ingredients instead, Like we want to use carrots and tofu
and stuff instead, and we want to make it, you know,
fifteen fifteen minutes, and it needs to use a different protein.

Speaker 9 (46:28):
Yeah, so there's still still a lot of humans involved.

Speaker 13 (46:32):
Were still it's still all humans, you know, testing the
recipes and then taking the photographs and everything for it
and making sure that they work and fool proofing them.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
So I would have just thought, like, if if the
algorithm was only considering my rankings, my concern would be
that all the five stars are for like the three
cheese knocki and stuff like that, you know, And so
like everycing when you when you're looking at the most
popular meals, it's just like, what is the most carbohydrates
for the highest number of cheeses. But obviously that's not

(47:03):
the case.

Speaker 13 (47:04):
Have you been raising them?

Speaker 9 (47:05):
You might be skewing the data.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So tell us about this new edition
of the book, because you guys have gone with the
you took those popular recipes from the past, but you've
added in some new onestoe.

Speaker 13 (47:15):
Yeah, so this it's ten years since this book, Easy
Week Night Meal was published. I believe since it was published,
it's been a using on bestseller since it's like that's
why it's still being published. And yeahs as the recipe,
as the title states, you know, it's just easy weeknight
meals and they're all full proof, incredibly delicious, easy to

(47:36):
put together recipes because of you know, all that data
that we've collected over the years. But this edition, to
celebrate the tenth edition, we've got sixteen extra bonus recipes
in it, and the whole book is divided into seasons
because that's you know, how.

Speaker 9 (47:49):
We like to roll. We always use seasonal produce in
our recipes. Yeah, yeah, how has celebrated seasons.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
How has been on the farm changed the way that
you think about seasons incredibly.

Speaker 13 (48:02):
So it's like almost two extremes. So when we first
moved on to the farm.

Speaker 17 (48:06):
I went.

Speaker 9 (48:07):
I went crazy with trying to be self sufficient.

Speaker 13 (48:12):
So I grew everything like I was like, I am
not eating it unless unless I've grown it, and so
and we had you know, of course we've got our
own meat, our own eggs, our own honey as well,
and our own fruit and vegetables. And I went quite extreme.
I really went one way to the point where the
poor kids.

Speaker 9 (48:31):
I was like, Nap, it's pumpkin.

Speaker 13 (48:33):
We're eating pumpkin for the next three months, nothing else.
But now I've kind of gone. Now I do. We
can't grow everything, and it is so much time. There's
quite a lot of time involved to be one hundred
percent self sufficient. So I will admit now I am
back to We get my food bag a couple of
times a week, so we get two to three meals

(48:54):
a week, and sometimes I do buy some of our
produce as well, but it's still a lot. But yeah,
it really makes you appreciate I find living down here.
It's very the seasons of very dramatic, Like the change
between each season is so dramatic, and it.

Speaker 9 (49:11):
Is so on time.

Speaker 13 (49:12):
It's crazy how on time, just like clockwork. Nature is
like within I would say there's a buffer of three
days either side of the of when the season starts
and it's just suddenly boom, like suddenly all the leaves
are gone for the trees, and then we get a dumping,
a snow dump. It's so so drastic, which is rich,
is really really beautiful in it's in its own sense,

(49:35):
but it really makes you appreciate, you know, the different
produce when it comes around. Like, for example, we wouldn't
eat you know, you get all this all these all
this pitp fruit, Like we get so many apples at
this kid of year, and it will last us because
I keep them kind of in our our larder area
in the cold storage area for you know, up to

(49:57):
a couple of months, and then none of that and
then and you go crazy with stewing everything and freezing
it all and then you've got none of it for
for ages. And yeah, so you eat a lot of
one thing at the same time, but you really learned
to appreciate it when it comes back around.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, Hey, you've just been in Japan. I saw some
photos on social media, but how was Tokyo really cool?

Speaker 9 (50:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (50:19):
I did a quick kind of six day trip with
my oldest son body who's nine years old. Now, I
just thought, great age to travel, and it's so much
easier just to travel with one kid rather than three.
And yeah, so I just took him by myself, just
the two of us, and it was a great mother
son trip.

Speaker 9 (50:37):
Was so lovely.

Speaker 13 (50:37):
You know, at this age you really start seeing their
personalities come out. And because he wasn't he didn't have
his other brothers around, just spending that one on one
time was real special. And yeah, we got out of
the city a bit to some of the smaller suburbs,
you know, not just like central Tokyo. The food was amazing,
so good, it's hard to find a bad meal, Like

(50:59):
we didn't have a bad We didn't have a single
bad meal.

Speaker 9 (51:01):
All the food was so good.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, how central was How central is food for you
when you travel?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (51:07):
Like everything.

Speaker 13 (51:10):
One thing obviously, And I always have this rule, like
whenever I'm in a country, a different country, I will
only eat their cuisine only. Like there is no way
I would be eating pizza or pasta or anything like
that in Japan, Like it is just Japanese food, strictly
Japanese food only. And we tried like lots of different things,

(51:33):
and I was so impressed. At nine years old, he's
he was great. He was so keen to try so
many different things, like we had our first night we had.
I didn't realize, but I ordered shark cartilage in cemented
plum sauce on the menu. It translated as plumb crystals,
and I was like, oh, this sounds interesting and it
was very crunchy, and I was like, what is that.

(51:54):
They explained it to me in Japanese.

Speaker 9 (51:56):
And I translated it back. I was like, ah, this
is shark cartilage.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Okay, you get on the farm.

Speaker 13 (52:03):
Oh, definitely not.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
You know, lots lots of the person was the shark good.

Speaker 13 (52:10):
It's more of a textural thing, Like the flavor came
from the fermented plum source, which I quite I quite enjoyed,
but the shark cartilage is more just like a test.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Just like a vehicle for the for the flavor, rather
than the actual Yeah, you wouldn't have shark cartilage by
itself necessarily.

Speaker 9 (52:28):
I don't think. So it doesn't have any flaps.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, there's so good and good for
you just kind of ordering random stuff off the menu
as well, only you know, you gotta yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Have you ever played the the Death Row Cuisine game?
It's tell me how basically it's just if you could
only eat one cuisine, so it's not one day, but
one cuisine for the rest of your life.

Speaker 9 (52:49):
What would it be, Oh, it would be Japanese or Tie.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah, I reckon Japanese. Is such a good call, Okay, Yeah,
I reckon Malaysians up there too, although maybe a bit
rich better.

Speaker 13 (52:59):
Yeah, exactly. Love Malaysian food. I grew up in Malaysia
for seven years, so I love it, but couldn't eat
it all the time because it is so it's fat,
high salt, high sugar. Whereas Ties, probably if I had
to choose one thing for the rest of my life,
I'd probably go Tie because very very fresh, a lot
of fresh herbs, a lot of like citrus, zest and
that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Then then you could throw the Vietnamese in there, and
then you've got got the little French, that little French
influence as well. Now you know, I mean, there's no
there's no right answer. This is the thing that's just
like what yeah, one, not a fusion of different Yeah. Yeah,
I'm glad you had a good trip and congratulations on
still having this book as a best seller and then

(53:39):
there's a remarkable achievement day.

Speaker 9 (53:41):
Yeah, you know, it's it's great.

Speaker 13 (53:43):
I mean, it's just one of those things that it
just ticks away because it stood the test of time
simply because you know, these recipes work so well. They're
just simple, they're healthy, and they're delicious, and that's that's
what people want, the Easy Weeknight Meals.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, tic tech. All right, Nadia, Well, will let you
get on with things. Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (54:01):
Great to talk again, Jack, Thank you so.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Good to talk to you, Nadia Limb. There, the tenth
and anivers thary edition of Easy Weeknight Meals is now
available in all Good bookstores. Right now is twenty one
minutes past ten, so before eleven o'clock on news Talk ZEDB,
We've got some new vaping research for you out of
Oxford University. Vaping is definitely better for you than smoking,
So if you're going to be regularly smoking or regularly vaping,

(54:24):
apparently it's better to be regularly vaping. However, there are
still all sorts of health implications that researchers are just
starting to get to grips with. So I'm going to
share those with you very shortly. Next up, though, if
you're just looking for a nice, warm weekend on the
couch given the weather, ever, we're I think it's probably
a very good call. We've got three shows to recommend
in our screen time segments Back in a minute.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
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Speaker 3 (54:54):
News Talks edb.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Twenty five past ten on news Talks AB, which means
it's screen time time. Tara awards here with her three
picks for watching or streaming stuff at home. Hey Tara,
good morning. To begin with a show on Netflix starring
Robin Malcolm. Tell us about the survivors.

Speaker 18 (55:11):
Yeah, if you see Robin Malcolm's name in a show,
you know it's going to be a great watch. And
this new murder mystery definitely is. It's based on a
book by Jane Harper and it's set in Tasmania in
a small beachside town called Evelyn Bay, where fifteen years earlier,
a huge storm killed three people. Robin Malcolm plays them.
Plays the mother of one of the boys who died,

(55:32):
and the drama begins when her other son returns home.
For a visit with his partner and their new baby.
A lot of locals still blame him for the deaths
during the storm, and there's a lot of bad feeling,
including from his own family. He meets a woman who's
come to town to investigate a disappearance that happened at
the same time as the storm, and then there's another murder,

(55:53):
and so all of this starts to dredge up a
lot of grief and secrets and starts to tear the
community apart. And in a lot of ways, the survivors
reminded me of the New Zealand series Friends Like Her
in that it's set in the small community where everyone
grew up together, everyone is connected. You've got this isolated,
beautiful setting and there's lots of secrets under the surface,

(56:14):
and it's about grief and family and it's about the
legacy of trauma on people. It is set up like
a classic murder mystery, but there's a fantastic cast here
who take it well above that. And Robin Malcolm plays
this angry, grieving mother so beautifully. She steals every scene.
So a fantastic series and a great binge watch for
the weekend.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Right, Okay, that's The Survivors that's on Netflix. Also on Netflix,
tell Us About Sarah.

Speaker 18 (56:38):
Yeah, this is another murder mystery, but quite different in
tone and style. This is an Italian series Newton Netflix,
and it's very gritty and dark and atmospheric kind of thriller.
It's set in Naples and it's about a former secret
service agent whose adult son is killed in the opening
moments of the show. They've been estranged for several years,

(56:58):
so they didn't have a relationship. She doesn't know her son,
but she's determined to find out why he died and
proved that it wasn't an exident, and so she becomes
a spy again to solve the mystery of his death,
which means she has to confront all the ghosts from
her own past about why she stopped working while also
uncovering the truth about her son's life and discovering about

(57:21):
who he really was. And I think this is one
for fans of really moody murder mysteries. This is slow
paced and thoughtful. It's not your big, explosive kind of thriller.
But I think the grittiness of it and the Italian
setting and this unconventional kind of hero who thankfully has
not lost her ability to read lips from a distance
and do all the cool spy things. I think all

(57:43):
of that makes this worth checking out.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Nice. Okay, that's Sarah. That's on Netflix and on Apple TV.
Tell us about stick.

Speaker 18 (57:50):
This is a new sports comedy series. And if you
are a golf fan, someone has finally made a TV
show for you. This is pretty much ted Lasso for golf.
It stars Owen Wilson. He plays a former golf champion
called Price who is long past his prime. He's a
bit whup, he's getting chucked out of his house. He's
having a midlife crisis, and he meets this young prodigy

(58:11):
at the golfing range who has amazing talent but just
doesn't care about the sport. And so Price agrees to
coach him and this becomes his shot at redemption. It's
sorting his own life out and at gaining the respect
of the golfing world again by helping this teenage player
qualify for the US Amateur Championships. And I think Apple

(58:32):
TV is trying to emulate that ted Lasso success here.
It's got that same kind of warm, gentle comedy, that
same kind of charm. It's not particularly deep. You know,
it's a bit cliched, but you can kind of forgive that.
Very easy to watch one of those shows you can
chuck on on a Sunday afternoon and just relax into fantastic.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Okay, that's Stick. That's on Apple TV. Sarah and The
Survivors are both on Netflix, and all of those shows
will be at Newstalks headb dot co dot nz. Ray
has just flipped me a night to say, Jack, that
chocolate biscuit recipe you share before ten o'clock sounds amazing.
Where can I get it the same place? Ray, Go
to the News talks 'B website and you'll be able
to find it there. But it's just coming up to
ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
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Speaker 14 (59:20):
She said, I'm a lil come.

Speaker 19 (59:24):
I want to.

Speaker 20 (59:27):
Come people to want to sleep with common people, to
sleep with common people like you.

Speaker 14 (59:36):
What else could have I said?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Oh, let's see welcome.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
That is, of course the voice of Javas Cocker common
people from Pop. So if you're just catching up to Pop,
I don't know where you've been, but don't worry Oh well,
maybe you should worry. You've got a whole lot to
catch up on. They've done seven full albums, at least
four deluxe or remastered editions, a live album, War two,
the three decades of britt pop history that you're going
to have to catch up on. But if you are

(01:00:04):
just catching up with pop now, it was a very
good time to do so, because the Sheffield art rock
on Som is back with their first album since two
thousand and one, and it's like a genuine kind of
reunion album as well. So Poulp members from the band's
Imperial phase are back, Candid de Doyle, Nick Banks, Mark

(01:00:26):
Webber with Jarvis Cocker at the helm of course and
that voice so you just know it's Javis Cocker. Also
a name like Jarvis Cocker, You've got no option but
to be a rock star, don't you reckon?

Speaker 20 (01:00:37):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
The new album is called More and it's dedicated to
Bassis Steve Mackey, who played on every Polp record since
nineteen eighty seven Freaks before he died in twenty twenty three,
so twenty four years since their last album, thirty years
since they headlined Glastonbury at their Common People Peak do
Pulp still got it. Our music reviewer Stelle is going

(01:01:01):
to be with us before midday and she's going to
give us her thoughts. Tell us if she reckons, it's
up to the Mustard. Will make sure we save a
bit of time so we can play yourself a pulps
new music as well. In a couple of minutes, our
Textbert with what we can expect the big announcements to
be next week's Apple's Developer Conference. Right now, it's twenty
six to eleven on Newstalks, EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 21 (01:01:26):
Parliament endorse the Privileges Committee recommendation around the Maori Party
chair of the Privileges Committee due to the Coldon's back
with us.

Speaker 12 (01:01:32):
Which is not about the harker. It's not about the interrupts,
the stringer pointing and chums. There's a gun movement at
three amps and none of the protocols we're respected in Parliament.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Whatever we do, we've.

Speaker 12 (01:01:43):
Got to follow those protocols.

Speaker 21 (01:01:45):
That's the arrogance of it, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:46):
I don't I can't.

Speaker 21 (01:01:47):
I can't work out whether they want to get it
or don't want to get it or do get it,
but just don't want to run it for onion. In
other words, I just don't take them seriously. I just
I'm so fed up and sick of the part.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Well I think they're not serious people.

Speaker 12 (01:01:58):
No, no, well they're not serious people.

Speaker 21 (01:02:01):
Back Monday from six am the Mic asking Breakfast with
the Defender, O Newstalk said B.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Twenty four to eleven on News Talks, he'd be Jack Morden.
I love hearing Nadia Limb on the radio. I've got
every one of her cookbooks, including Easy Weeknight Meals, which
I still use ten years on because those recipes are
winner with my three kids. Love Nadia's philosophy on food,
keep out in the amazing work. Yeah, that was a
wonderful interview. She's just such a joy, Nadia, So thank
you for that. Ninety two ninety two is the text

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number if you want to send us a message this morning.
Apple has its big developer conference in a couple of
days time. Several big announcements are rumored to be on
the way, and our textbot, Paul Stenhouse, is all over
and of course, so Paul, what can we expect?

Speaker 19 (01:02:42):
Yes, I think the big one Jack, is that everything's
going to look a bit different and for the first time,
probably the most unified kind of look across all of
the platforms, from your Mac to your iPhone, to your iPad,
to your watch and even Apple car plays.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Apparently it's all going.

Speaker 19 (01:03:00):
To be getting the same sort of design scheme that
Vision os has and you're going, what is you notice
that's the thing the software that runs on the Vision Pro,
which is the headset the next generation computer. Isn't it
funny you just took the words out of my mouth
They said, we're going to make everything look like the
thing that no one uses. But it's all apparently going

(01:03:22):
to be based around digital glass, So I'm expecting some blurs,
some reflections.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
So what is digital glass? What does that mean that?

Speaker 19 (01:03:33):
I think it's gonna look like there'll be different panes
of glass and all the aesthetic will be how you know,
different pains overlap with each other. Is kind of what
I'm expecting. But that's all hopefully announced Monday. But of
course this is all to come right, This is all
going to be announced and then we'll be rolled out
in the next few months. But some app redesigns coming

(01:03:53):
to your phone as well the actual phone app, because
your iPhone is actually your phone. Remember the phone app,
the messages app, and the camera app. Some of the
core apps of your iPhone will get a new look.

Speaker 15 (01:04:05):
Is the room the phone will get.

Speaker 19 (01:04:07):
Sort of what sounds like a timeline type view with
your favorite contacts, your recent calls, and your voicemails all
in one kind of scrollable thing, so you don't have
to run between those. A more simplified camera because there's
so many things going on in the camera, yeah, so
many features. It's got a bit cluttered, So I think
they're going to kind of simplify and rework some of that.

(01:04:28):
And Messages will get my message that is will get
a customizable background, sort of like WhatsApp, the kind of
going keep the hit now with WhatsApp. And you'll also
apparently have the ability to create poles Safari. You'll get
that new glassy look too. So lots of change coming
in the next version we're expecting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I mean they presumably they test all of the stuff
heaps before they roll it out, right, so there's nothing
that is going to be too alarming or too confusing
for people. I'm sure my mum will still have questions. Wow,
your words not mine, Paul, your word's not mine. But yeah,
I mean, okay, I mean some of those some of
those things seem to kind of, you know, make a
lot of scenes. It'll be interesting to see whether or

(01:05:08):
not this is going to drive people towards that vision.
Os like they're kind of pushing ahead with that product still, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Oh yeah they are.

Speaker 19 (01:05:16):
Here's the bit that caught my eye though, Jack, is
I actually think and you've talked about you and I've
talked about this before, is you know, the one operating
system to rule them all, you know, And I think
that So one of the other rumors is that multitasking
on the iPad is actually going to get reworked, and
it sounds like it's going to become a lot more
desktop like so and it may even only be unlocked

(01:05:37):
when you actually attach a keyboard and a mouse or
use your magic keyboard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That you can buy it from Apple.

Speaker 19 (01:05:43):
So I wonder if we're getting one step closer. I know,
we're like inching inching, Yeah, you know, but it feels
like you if you can go on your iPad and
you can plug in your keyboard in your mouse or
connect it with Bluetooth, and you can move a pointer
and drag windows around it and it feels like a desktop. Yeah,
it probably doesn't matter what's happening behind the scenes. I
think that means that people may start using the iPad

(01:06:05):
a little like a tskop.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yeah right, Okay, so I've just talked about the Vision
Pro to see what it costs starts three and a
half grand. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not this isn't
design it. This isn't named at me, is it. I mean, no,
it's not.

Speaker 19 (01:06:20):
You know, I remember, you know Andy and Anderson on
New Year's Yeah, yeah, yeah, Anderson Cooper made some really
like flippant remark. He's say, yeah, I watched done too
on my Apple Vision Pro, and Andy Cohen just looked
at him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Like who are you and why yeah, which I think
is my kind of take.

Speaker 15 (01:06:37):
I'm like, who's doing this?

Speaker 19 (01:06:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I think yeah, we're not the only one there, thanks, Paul.
Look forward to that so that, I think the big
developers conferences in a couple of days time, all that
detail is going to be confirmed. And I suppose we'll
wait a few more days after that until those of
us who use iPhones and Apple products will have to
download new software and see how it all looks. Right now,
it is nineteen minutes to eleven on News Talks here,
but we're going to be in the garden before eleven o'clock.

(01:07:01):
Rude time past Our man in the garden is chipping
or chippering. He's he's got one of that. He's got
like a wood chipper, right, so he's making his own
maltch to put over the garden. He's got a few
tips if you're doing the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Well, it's obviously when you think about it, really, one
of the big problems with vaping is that we don't
understand the long term effects because vaping is so new relatively.
But there is some new research out of Oxford University
that is shining a bit of light on the effects
of vaping. Doctor Brian Betty is here to talk us
through it this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Cal to Brian, Oh cure, Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Nice to be here, Yeah, nice to be chatting with you.
So what's the big problem with vaping?

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
Look, yeah, so we need to talk about vaping again.
I know we've talked about it before, but you know,
we know that vaping was introduced as a quick quit
smoking tool. Now it's accepted that it's less harmful than smoking,
so we know that's the case, and it is very
very useful as a quit smoking tool that is substituting
for cigarettes when you want to give up. However, we've

(01:08:06):
got this growing problem in New Zealand with young people
type taking up vaping but otherwise not smoke and this
is a critical issue, so they wouldn't be doing this,
but they're now vaping. So look, if you look at
the surveys, eighteen to twenty four year olds, about a
quarter of them are vaping daily, and in fact, fourteen
to eighteen year olds about ten percent of vaping daily. Now,

(01:08:27):
the problem with this, up until this point, we don't
know what the long term effects of vaping potentially are
and that is a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Yeah, I mean, it is obviously addictive, and I mean
I think we probably all know people, but I mean
I've got a lot of people my age, a lot
of friends and stuff who've just started vaping a little
bit and then have found themselves properly addicted.

Speaker 8 (01:08:51):
Oh look, look this has really emerged as an issue.
And look, most of the apes have nicoteen in them,
and nicoteen is one of the most addictive substances we know.
So yeah, we've got this problem where people are vaping
and suddenly find they can't get off it. They want
to stop it, but they can't. It's really really powerful,
and this is this growing issue that we've got.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Now we know that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
Nicotine does cause addiction, but nicteen has some harms, so
in particular there's concerns over brain development and adolescents it
can affect that maybe increased anxiety, raised blood pressure, and
increases the heart rate. Now the vapes themselves, if you
think about it, if you're on a daily basis putting
moist air with chemicals into your lungs, that intuitively has

(01:09:39):
an effect. So we do know it can cause cough
and there actually have been some concerns over increased collapsed
lungs from vaping, so that young adolescents said that their
lungs can collapse. So there has been some stuff around
about this, but no long term evidence is to the
harm it up until this point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, yeah, so we've got this new study from Oxford
University shedding a bit more light on vaping.

Speaker 8 (01:09:59):
Yeah, so look, this is the first one and this
is really really important, and it's out of Oxford, so
it's very reputable, and it's first time that's identified long
term harm from vaping alone. So look at followed up
two hundred and fifty thousand patients who've eated or people
who've eated, and it followed them up over four years
and said, well what happens if you vape over that

(01:10:20):
period of time. And look, the major finding was this
that you were two point twenty nine times more likely
to start to develop chronic obstructive airways disease. Now, this
is what we call enfrasema, colloquially called enhasema. So this
is really really serious. So this is where the lungs
start to what we call fibros, They start to stiffen.

(01:10:42):
There's lots of mucus produced to get recurrent infections and
over time reduced ability to get oxygen into the bloodstream
and it causes permanent damage to the lungs. So two
point twenty nine times more likely to develop that. Now,
the other thing, in thirty to seventy year olds, you
were one point thirty nine times more likely to develop
high blood pressure. So again this is a critical issue

(01:11:05):
and it was the first time that long term harm
outside of the short term effects had really been identified.
So this is very very significant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
So what are the implications.

Speaker 8 (01:11:17):
Well, look, I think the main thing here is it's
really really an issue for the younger cohort of people
or patients who are taking up vaping, especially in that
that adolescent age group, and are getting addicted to it
and can't get off it because this emerging issue is
saying well, look there's potentially long term harm here. It's

(01:11:39):
not a benign thing. So absolutely for smoking cessation, no
problem with that, but you know the fact that you
wouldn't have otherwise smoked that there's an emerging issue. So
I think we still need to think very hard about
vaping and the access to vaping. We know it's been
you know, shops can't sell it under eighteen's but there's
now thousands of apes shops around New Zealand and it's

(01:12:01):
really interesting. I mean Australia have made vaping just recently
or last year, they've made it script only. You have
to get a script off your doctor to get a vape.
I personally think we should be moving into a space
where vaping is available in pharmacies only, so you can
buy it across the counter and pharmacy and you can
get some education about vapes at that point and take

(01:12:21):
that middle sort of approach. I do seriously think we
need to do something or think harder about the whole
vaping situation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, it's such a tricky one, isn't it, Because in
a way, the horse has kind of bolted, and that
you have all of these people who are now addicted
to vaping who might not otherwise have been smoking or
vaping at all, you know, and then you know, if
you're making life more difficult for them to get vapes,
then that could have its own issues.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
But I mean, it's it's a complete two end sword.

Speaker 8 (01:12:51):
And look, I agree with your comment. I think in
many ways a horse has bolted bolted in New Zealand
and it's under unintended consequence of something that was thought
to be positive at the start.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
So I mean, is it is definitely better than smoking?

Speaker 8 (01:13:04):
Right? No, no, no doubt about one. And there's a
quick smoking tool, which is what it was was promoted for.
I don't have any problems with that, and I recommend
my patient switched to vaping, you know, the drop of
the hat. But it's not harmless, it's not benign, and
that's the critical thing. And the fact these younger kids

(01:13:24):
are taking it, taking it up is the issue because
they otherwise wouldn't have smoked.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, hey, thanks so much, Brian, I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:32):
Good as god.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Ten to eleven, No news talks. He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Gardening with steel shaft free Autumn upgrades on Still's best sellers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Rude time past is our man in the garden?

Speaker 15 (01:13:42):
Hey, rude, Hello Jack, I'm not in the garden, no,
because it's too frigg and cold.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, it is your place, totally, Like is it frozen? Oither?
How things looking?

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Yeah, no it's not.

Speaker 15 (01:13:53):
Actually we're on the board in it. Honestly, we rarely
get frost.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
But you're not quite loving No, well not quite, that's right.

Speaker 15 (01:14:01):
But all the gold air have got to go down
the hill and we ended up we end up with
something like zero degrees or maybe one degree. It's okay,
it's yeah, dropical all right. Oh my gosh, hey have
you do you have to ever make pathways in your garden?
Pathway between the vegetables. Yeah, in the between the vegetables.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
You know, I don't know that I do. I mean,
I sort of had my planter boxes, so I keep
most of my planting the things to eat in the air,
and then I have a bit of grass for playing
football on, and then I have the sort of trees
around the outside, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:14:35):
So yeah, exactly, though that sounds like it. No, what
I mean is that quite often in my vegetable garden,
I have, you know, literally little pathways so I can
get into my vegetable garden. And I make those quite
often from chippert wood. Yes, yeah, and that's it's something
that I thoroughly enjoy that to turn that thing on,

(01:14:56):
you know, it goes on petrol. And then you can
you can take if you're like, bits of tree drunks
or no, not trunks, but but branches up to about
two inches in diameter easier, and you put you make
them into into chipped wood basically, and that you can

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use to make pathways. And the cool thing with that is,
of course it also stops weeds coming up, which is
very important, so your germination is not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
But they're great.

Speaker 15 (01:15:28):
So I've got a little hands or quite a big
answer stepper, which I've got some steel shop a long
time though.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
I love it.

Speaker 15 (01:15:34):
But I just realized you can't just use these chips
on the.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
On the floor of your of your garden, because if
you have things that you grow there, you'll find that
the chips themselves need quite a lot of stuff like
nitrogen to actually make it decay properly.

Speaker 15 (01:15:57):
Right And if you yeah, and this is very important.

Speaker 7 (01:16:00):
So if you've got a layer of.

Speaker 15 (01:16:01):
Chips in your garden, if you like as a mulch,
always put some of the nitrogen. Do you reform if
you like in it? Because if you don't, those chips
ex you will literally take the nitrogen out of the
soil to make it decay itself.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Yeah, but that goes at the cost.

Speaker 15 (01:16:21):
Of your plants.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Yeah, right right, Okay, it's.

Speaker 15 (01:16:25):
A bit that's just a bit of chemistry science, I suppose.
So if you if you get those chips and they
are absolutely wonderful for covering stuff, always chuck some a
little bit of urea. You don't have to be scientific
about it. Handful to the square square media, I love that.
Handful to the square media.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Who cares. But you'll find that you will.

Speaker 15 (01:16:45):
Actually, yeah, you get a lot better system that way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Fantastic, It's really important.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
So I don't know if I've told you I've got
I've got my backyard. I we don't have a fence
with the Nixte neighbor, so it's kind of like how
life used to be. We've got kind of got trees
down the kind of boundary. But our neighbors are wonderful
and it's very relaxed and so and so. Anyway, Lloyd
next door has a chipper, and so I have in

(01:17:10):
the past been known to pop over and help them
with a little bit of autumnal chipping so that he
could spread the mulch around his place and around the
communal lemon trees and fijio trees and plumb trees and
that kind of thing. So there you go.

Speaker 15 (01:17:22):
I totally agree with you, because these things are not
terribly cheap, but if you do it together as a
team of neighbors, you are much better off. And and
the other thing you can do with the chips is actually,
if you've got a compost, being the famous compost, big
with a lot of fruit and stuff like that that
needs carbon, that's where the chipper comes in to put
the chips into the compost bin for the same balance.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, especially if it's all like grass cuppings or similar.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Nice, I've got I hope things aren't. Yeah, I hope
things warm up a little bit at some point. I
don't know. It's nice to experience seasons, doesn't it. Don't
you think it's just.

Speaker 14 (01:17:59):
Nice, very.

Speaker 15 (01:18:03):
And just buying up the board hills.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Road climb. Maass not in the garden for us this morning,
or in the garden in spirit for us this morning.
After eleven o'clock on Newstalks 'db our travel correspondent is
taking us to an amazing part of the world, Ecuador,
and he's going to take us through Ecuador's cloud forest.
So I'm looking forward to that. News is next though
it's almost eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning

(01:18:26):
and this is Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
dB Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going
through the weekend with bpure dot cot on ins here
for high quality supplements Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Mord In A good morning. If you're just sitting us
on this morning, it is so good to you weather
us on this very very cold day, Jack tayming with
you through the mid day today. So I have read
most of it The Cinder A Durn Book. Most of
it I only got a day or two before it
was published around the world, and I got plenty of
thoughts on it. I mean, my number one kind of

(01:19:24):
takeaway is that the book is not for us. It's
not for it's not for New Zealand. It's for the world, right,
It's it's for Desindra A. Durn's fans and people who
are interested in her leadership outside of New Zealand. And look,
you know, I found a few things relatively interesting in
the book. I actually found. I thought the stuff about

(01:19:44):
her early life was really interesting. I didn't know a
lot of the details, especially the kind of conversations around
her religion or you know, her experience growing up as
a Mormon. I thought that was quite interesting and not
something that would necessarily talked a lot about, or she'd
talked a lot about during her political career. So I
thought that was interesting. Honestly, Like from my perspective, and

(01:20:06):
maybe this is kind of a reflection of my of
my of my job, I just am a bit kind
of frustrated at the lack of introspection. I would just
I would love to hear, you know, just Sindo Dun's
kind of thoughts, you know, reliving some of those big
COVID decisions and if there are things you would do differently. Yeah,
I would love to hear some of that stuff, you know,

(01:20:28):
even even the kind of processes by which decisions are
made when you're in a leadership position like that through
such a crazy period. I would love to hear more
about that kind of thing. And and for me, I
think that's what's what's lacking in the book. But like
I say, I realized that I'm probably not the target audience.
It's people who are watching OPRAH who are the target audience.
So fair play in that respect. Right now, it's Linemen,

(01:20:50):
it's past eleven, so before a day on news talks,
he'd be our travel Cosspondent is taking us to Ecuador's
cloud forests, which just sounds amazing. He's been on this
incredible South American adventure, so he's starting things off and
equid all for us. This morning's going to tell us
a little about that, and I'm going to make sure
that I saved some time before midday for us to
have a little bit of a listen to Pulp's new album,

(01:21:12):
the first album that Jarvis Cocker and Pulp have released
in twenty four years. The last one was in two
thousand and one. So we'll make sure we play you
a couple of songs from that and get our music
reviewers thoughts on it as well. Right now, though, it
is time to catch up with Google. Sutherland from Umbrella
Well Being called Google.

Speaker 12 (01:21:30):
Sure to Jack from a very chilly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Ah, Yes, I think it's very chilly alter at all
this morning, very chilly everywhere you know you have? You
dared to look at the thermometer at your place? How's that?

Speaker 17 (01:21:42):
Oh? I had to pat the dog to the vet
about an hour ago and the calf a momenta said
it was six degrees outside.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Okay, so that's positively tropical compared to some parts of
the South Island. So we can't do too much money. True, true, Hey, anyway,
you and I are this morning as two men tackling
a subject that is getting a little more attention these days. Finally,
but you and I are two men talking menopause.

Speaker 17 (01:22:06):
Yeah, it's and look, I have a note here in
front of me from my lovely wife is don't man
explain this, okay, And so I'm under strict instructions not
to try and explain menopause.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Is that a reason to carry around with you all
the time or is that just a note today subject?

Speaker 17 (01:22:26):
It's tattooed on the inside of my brain.

Speaker 11 (01:22:28):
I will not forget it.

Speaker 17 (01:22:31):
I warn you as well, because she will hunt you
down and find you if you try to manage.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
That's warning, perfectly accepted.

Speaker 17 (01:22:38):
But look, I wanted to raise it from a workplace
perspective because you know, I think there's a lot it's
been a big issue and my sort of travels around
different workplaces around New Zealand over the last twelve months
or so and is coming up increasingly and rightly, so
that this is an issue, that this is a health
issue that affects a good proportion of our workforce, and

(01:23:01):
actually we need as a society to be better at
under standing this significant health issue that affects a lot
of people, because it as quite debilitating. I was read
if you take away the take away the word menopause
and just focused on the symptoms anxiety, low mood, depression,
hot flushes, brain fog, nausea, fatigue. Those are pretty severe

(01:23:25):
kind of symptoms. They reminded me actually a bit of
COVID symptoms. You know that a lot of those of
what covid and we know how debilitating that was. And
so I think if you just think about it from
that pure health perspective of, hey, a significant proportion of
your workforce may be experiencing these these symptoms, then this
is something that workplaces should, I think, should really be

(01:23:46):
thinking about how they address these and how they can
make some accommodations for people who experienced those symptoms in
their work.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
And there was a report by the New Zealand Institute
of Economic Research inded IA a couple of years ago
which showed actually, not not only do many women kind
of never discuss menopause or pyramidipor was in the workplace,
but actually like only one in three managers kind of
felt knowledgeable to be able to support people.

Speaker 17 (01:24:15):
Yeah, yeah, one and three, and that reduced to one
in five when it was male managers.

Speaker 12 (01:24:21):
And look, it's not you know, I'm not in.

Speaker 17 (01:24:24):
Any way trying to make a defense for this. It's
not surprising though, given that we're how we haven't talked
about it, that people don't feel that confident. Yeah, and
I know that, you know, in my role is in
past of managing people, I would definitely have been managing
people who have been experiencing menopause. And that we also
know that that same.

Speaker 22 (01:24:45):
Report showed that women, some women were cutting back their
work hours or even quitting their work simply because they
couldn't get those health needs met in their workplace.

Speaker 17 (01:24:55):
And that's that's a pretty for me. That was a
kind of a really sobering kind of statistic around actually
that that shouldn't be happening. We should be recognizing this
health issue in our work places and doing what we
can to support people who are experiencing them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah, because if it were anything else that we would, right,
like if it were COVID for example, obviously obviously you would.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
So it's kind of curious that because you know, I suppose,
because there hasn't maybe been the awareness that there should
be around menopause, we haven't necessarily kind of you know,
altered our workplaces and work cultures to allow for them.

Speaker 14 (01:25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:25:32):
Yeah, I look, I'm sure we could have a long
discussion around the sort of gender bias and workplaces and
if it's happened to men.

Speaker 14 (01:25:41):
But you know, I think it also.

Speaker 17 (01:25:43):
Maybe part of it too is that because it's considered
a normal natural part of development of human development and
getting older, maybe we just don't kind of consider it.
But you know, I know that I've got my employer
supports me to get a vaccine for the flu every year,
you know, go and get a free vaccine. And because
we want to make sure that you don't suffer from

(01:26:04):
these because we know that people get the flu which
are very similar symptoms to what I just describe earlier,
then that can put you off work for a week
or two, and we don't want you to be off
work for a week or two. But we need to
take that same approach I think to discussing menopause it too, Yeah,
just making it, just making it okay to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Talk about it.

Speaker 17 (01:26:23):
And I think there's a real big piece for leaders,
managers and organizations in general to be openly discussing this
issue more and upskilling leaders so that they'd at least
know what the heck they're talking about, and to have
some good policies in place so that so that people
who are experiencing menopause don't have to come and go, oh, geez, sorry,

(01:26:44):
I've got this thing going on, it's all a bit uncomfortable.
There should just be the ability to talk freely about it,
so that women can just come and say, hey, look,
I need to you know, if I can move desks
maybe or just make some allowances or just so that
you know that sometimes I might be a bit brain
foggy and that that's okay, but can you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Cut me some slack on those days?

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Right, Extually, just having some thoughtful policies around that I
can imagine would really help with retention and attracting good staff, right.

Speaker 17 (01:27:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you think about that, you know,
the age of menopause, you know, late thirties perhaps through
to late forties, early fifties, that's those are women who
are in the kind of coming to the peak of
their career.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
In many ways, these are people that.

Speaker 17 (01:27:28):
You want to retain and attract. And you know the
statistic before from the twenty twenty three research, people were
leaving their jobs because it wasn't recognized in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yeah, so yeah, this is a.

Speaker 17 (01:27:41):
Great way to keep hold of people, to keep hold
of great talent and to it, I think, to attract
talent too. If your workplaces seen as you know, aware
of and in quotes friendly towards menophorse, then you're possibly
likely to actually become a favored employer and get that
really good talent rather than letting it go to waste.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Lovey workdogle as always. Thank you so much, Google Sutherland
from Umbrella Well Being with us this morning at sixteen
past eleven on Newstalks EDB travel.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
With Wendy WU Tours Where the world is yours for now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Mike Godley is our travel correspondent on Saturday mornings, the
man with the toughest job in the world, and he
has been to an extraordinary destination for us this week.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Hey Mike, good morning Jake. Yes, I've got a crush
on Ecuador, so I'm going to bore you endlessly about
Ecuador over the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
You are not going to be boring me, do you know.
I've never been to Ecuador. It is like right there
at the top of the list. So I've been to Columbia,
I've been to Peru, I've been to Bolivia, I've been
to Brazil, but no, I haven't yet been to Ecuador.
So I have very much been looking forward to you
guiding us through some of the gems in that extraordinary
part of the world. So this week we're going to
focus on Ecuador's cloud forest, the Marshpee Reserve. So whereabouts

(01:28:57):
is the marsh Pea Reserve located.

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
It's about a three hour drive northwest of Kito on
the western slopes of the Andes, so it forms part
of what they call the chocol region. So these are
the western forests of the Andes, quite different obviously to
the Amazon rainforest on the eastern side. And Marshbee Reserve
is ranked by the WWF as one of the world's

(01:29:22):
top ten biode diversity hotspots because it just has so
many endemic species. The interesting thing is jack that prior
to all of the seismic uplifts of the Andes, both
the western and the eastern forests were all just one big,
sprawling forest. But what makes the reserve really distinctive at

(01:29:44):
Marshpee is that you've got this huge change in altitude,
so you can be walking on trails at five hundred
meters above sea level, getting virtually a coastal breeze, and
then you go up to fourteen hundred meters on trails.
So that's why it is considered both rainforest and cloud forest.
It's a bit like a tropical for Jordland. They measure

(01:30:05):
the rainfall and meters.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Yeah, it's lush to say the least. Yes, it's interesting
because that that Chocol region has been heavily DeForest today.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
Shocking. Yeah, So it's an amazing sliver of forest that
basically sweeps down from Panama, goes through Columbia and into
western Ecuador. But in Ecuador more than ninety percent of
the chocol has been deforested. So this became a rallying
call for a former mayor of Quito to safeguard the ecosystem.

(01:30:39):
So about twenty five years ago he bought what is
now Mushpee Reserve from loggers, developed to this dreamy glasshouse
style lodge nine hundred meters high in the cloud forest,
and over time the reserve has just steadily grown with
community buy in, so it now spans three thousand hectares,

(01:31:00):
which I discovered this morning is the size of Timaru.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Wow. Well that's fantastic. And how impressive is the bird life?

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
Well, so many birds, so little time, Jack Taane. If
you are not a Twitter on arrival at Mushpee, it's
a sure bet you will leave as a hardcore addict
there are just so many headline species, like those chocol tukens,
those with those enormously cartoonish bulbous yellow beaks. There are woodpeckers,

(01:31:27):
there are squirrel cuckoos. But best of all, I just
fell in love with the hummingbirds because they've got thirty
two species of hummingbirds at Mushbee with crazy names like
purple coronet and the booted racket tail. And the thing
about his tail, it actually resembles two squash rackets, which

(01:31:47):
is just crazy. The thing about the hummingbirds, Jack, they
are so unperturbed by your presence, so you know, they
just couldn't kill less about you. You can get right
up close. You can hear them hum as they levitate
in the air as if they motorize, and they are
the only birds in the world that can fly backwards,

(01:32:09):
which is just wild to see up close.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
I did this something incredible about hummingbirds. So do have
you seen the Harry Potter movies? Yes, so you know
that the Snitch and Harry Potter when they're playing quidditch,
don't you think that's based on a hummingbird the way
it moves. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm convinced it's based
on hummingbirds because they said there's something about the way

(01:32:34):
hummingbirds move and like you said, the way they can
go backwards. It reminds me of that. So what about
the butterflies.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
Well, yeah, I must have mentioned the butterflies, because must
be is all a flutter with the full color spectrum
of butterflies. They've got this crazy species called the giant
owl eye butterfly. And these things are monsters and it's
the name suggests they have an L eye marking on
their wings. So when you've got two wings fully displayed,

(01:33:01):
or two butterflies side by side, because they're very sociable,
they actually the face of an L so it Julie
scares of predators. It's kind of like nature's trusty version
of the evil eye. I had to do like a
double take when I saw all these giant hell butterflies
because it does look like a bird just sitting in

(01:33:24):
the tree. Absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
It's amazing And when you see the how nature has
evolved to that, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's bean hones. So
did you go into the forest at night?

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
Yes, Well, obviously there are trails glorre to explore by day,
but a guided night walk just reveals so much more magic.
So there are a lot of vine snakes at marsh
Fee and they are very active after dark. Thankfully, they
are very considerate. They stick to the vines of the
trees so they don't wander down to the trail. One

(01:33:57):
of my nocturnal highlights Jack was gazing at what Ecuadorians
call Firefox, and it's this avatar like funger with a
very vivid, luminous glow. You would think some aleds had
been wired into the fungus. James Cameron could not improve
on it. But yeah, the naturalist guides who take you around,

(01:34:19):
they're just so passionate about the reserve, sharing all the
forest secrets with you. National Geographic go absolutely gaga about
this place.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not surprised. So were there any sort
of particular expedition highlights for you?

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Yeah, well, I think you really want to commune with
the cloud forest, and an intimate way to do it,
as with the dragonfly open their gondola, so you're sort
of like just a float in the forest. But even better,
I went on a riveting ride on a skybike. I
have never come across these things before, so it's kind
of like a zip line strung above the canopy. But

(01:34:57):
the novelty is it's attached to pedals in a seat,
so you pedal your way across the skyline and you've
got a galloping gorge two hundred feet below you and
robed by the forest. And I think the full traverse
was about two hundred meters on that high wire cable.
So it's a pretty it's a pretty solid workout. But yeah,

(01:35:19):
those views are just so celestial, and there were no
close encounters with vine snakes, I'm very pleased to report.
But it's just such a great perch on those sky
bikes to just savor the sense of isolation and this
really remarkable, intriguing pocket of the world. I definitely would
thread Mushby Lodge into a trip you're doing to Ecuador.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Oh, that sounds superb, so just to I'm just trying
to imagine these bikes. So basically, it's like you don't
zoom across like you do on a zip you go steadily,
like you're slowly peddling a bike kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like they're in a very high
gear like it does actually take a bit of it
must just take quite a bit of exercise.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Indeed, it just sounds so special, mic And what are
times as well? I mean for those who follow their
Latin American politics, you know that it's been a very
interesting time with the Ecuadorian elections recently.

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
So yeah, will hiper chat about Keto in a couple
of weeks and yeah, I was just fascinating to see
the whole security situation in Keto and a lot of
pressure on this new leader. Yeah, so sort of sort
out the country so good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
You know, when I when I first moved to New York,
I had this terrible, terrible sort of you know, cracked
in of an apartment that was on top of a
fruit and vegetable store that was run by an Ecuadorian family.
So yeah, and I became really good friends with them
over over you know, a couple of years, I suppose,
and it has just like further wet my appetite for

(01:36:53):
visiting that part of the world because you have such contrasts, say,
in such a in such a relatively small area. You know,
you've got the kind of andyes, and you've got the rainforest,
you've got the cloud forest, but you've also got the coastline.
It's just it's amazing now yeah, well so yeah week Variety.
Yeah yeah, I'm really looking forward to hearing more about
it over the coming weeks. Thank you so much, Mike.
So we'll make sure that Mike's tips for savoring Ecuador's

(01:37:16):
cloud forests and the Marshpee Reserve are up on the
News Talks heb website. If you just need anything from
our show, honestly, that is the easiest thing to do.
Just go to news Talks. He'db dot co dot ed
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everything from our show right up there, just as soon
as it's been on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 14 (01:37:43):
Nas nast last flat.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
News Talks. He'd be just after eleven thirty on your
cold Saturday Morning, Jack Tane. We do through the midday
and then good news. You're going to be joined by
the joint winner of the Best Sports Presenter or Commentator
this year's New Zealand Radio Awards, mister Jason Pine is
going to be here for weekends. Well, congratulations, sir, Thank
you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:38:19):
Jack.

Speaker 23 (01:38:20):
I really appreciate it. Great to see the other night
is a great night for the station. A station of
the year wins. So now I always enjoy celebrating with
everybody across the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
And I mean, if if Mike Costume was here, what
would he say, how many? How many years in a row?
Is that station of the year initials?

Speaker 24 (01:38:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
And for himself as well. Yeah, I think it's credit
for the station, probably even more for the husk So
who knows. And nine in a row for Marcus Lush?

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Nine in a row?

Speaker 19 (01:38:45):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
So I was I was nominated in the category that
Mark Slushes was was was an and people said, oh,
you know, like, I see you nominated, And I say, look,
I'm not just being modest here. I'm going to lose,
and I have no problem, Like it's entirely it's an
entirely just result if I you know, if any if
it were anyone else, then maybe I'd have a different perspective.

(01:39:07):
But no, it's it's got to be Marcus.

Speaker 23 (01:39:09):
But I honestly, I mean, yeah, we probably shouldn't talk.
Let's talk off the esh. We talk about what's coming
up on me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Let's talk about what's coming up. You've got the new
black Caps coach and Was this a surprise at all
for you? No, not really. I think it was either
him or Shane Bond.

Speaker 23 (01:39:23):
And in Rob Walter's greater experience as a head coach,
has domestic knowledge, The fact that he's he has coached internationally,
even in whiteball stuff with South Africa, I think probably
gave him the nods. Look, I've scanned around and it
seems like a fairly popular appointment. It's not a rock
star appointment. It's not Stephen Fleming or Brendan McCallum coaching

(01:39:44):
the black Caps jack but it's an interesting time for
any coach of a national side, with the you know,
the the push and pull of these franchise leagues, not
just the IPL and you know the other sort of
high profile ones, but so many other leagues popping up
around the world, turning the heads of our top cricketers,
who more and more are now saying, you know what,

(01:40:05):
I appreciate the offer of a central contract and I'm
not going to take it up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
So how does he deal with that? How does he
how does he deal.

Speaker 23 (01:40:11):
With coming into an environment where so it's been pretty
successful under Gary Stead, So what do you change? How
do you stamp your own Mark or do you just
sort of keep on with what's been working. So yeah,
I'm looking forward to chatting to Rob Walter after mid day.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
They've got to like design an algorithm for this. It
must be really difficult when you are trying to blood
new players and you've got new talent coming through to
then know that if they do too well, they're immediately
going to have demand from all the international you know,
from all all of the different franchise cricket you know, offerings,

(01:40:43):
and then trying to keep them so they're playing enough
cricket for New Zealand, but then they don't want to
play white ball cricket for New Zealand. But then we've
got barely any red bull cricket for News And that's,
like I said, a really really tricky time to try
and manage those different forces.

Speaker 23 (01:40:54):
Ah, if there is an algorithm, I'd love to see
it because there are so many variables Jack, as you know,
and you're right in most most players, in fact, almost
all players who end up playing franchise cricket can the
eye in the international game playing for their country, so
you actually have to be in that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
And then as you say, I got like ruch and Ravendra.

Speaker 23 (01:41:13):
Yeah, you know, perfectly, absolutely magnificent cricketer, would be able
to if you wanted to to play franchise cricket all
year round, but is so deeply invested in international cricket,
loves Test matches, absolute cricket, nerd loves loves the red
ball game. So he's he's probably a great guy to
have for Rob Walter because he knows, you know what,
he's going to play international cricket most of the time. Others,

(01:41:36):
maybe the ones getting towards the back end of their
career as well, are more likely to take the money.
So it's a it's a really interesting little little layer
of challenge for any cricket cut I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Wonder if we're going to get to the point where
white ball cricket, where international white ball cricket is like
really like secondary and then we just follow kind of
franchise white ball cricket, you know, for a large part
of the year, and then there's kind of windows where
they play Test cricket, and Test cricket is you know,
the kind of only international cricket that anyone really cares.
But I no know, may I just feel like maybe

(01:42:06):
that's where we're kind of headed over the next ten
to fifteen years. But I guess we'll see Crusader's pretty
strong last night. What are you picking for Chiefs Blues
this evening? The Canes up as well, of.

Speaker 23 (01:42:15):
Course, Yeah, I think the Chiefs will win the game.
But I think if you ask the Chiefs who that
mean they finish top and therefore play the team that
finished sixth. I don't think people thought the Blues would
beat the team for these six because on their night,
as we know, Jack, they can beat anybody. The Blues. Yeah,
you look at last year. They were terrific last year.
For the whole season, it's been a very, very stuttering
title defense. But they are here on week one of

(01:42:37):
the finals knowing that they really know now are in
must win territory every time they play the Chiefs. You know,
whether this plays into things at all or not, know
that regardless of whether they win or lose tonight, they
will still host a semi final next weekend. That's the
vagary of this new final system. So can the Blues
tap into that?

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Not sure?

Speaker 23 (01:42:56):
But I still think the Chiefs will win the game,
and the Hurricanes fan and me can never bet against
my boys, So yeah, I'm expecting a Chiefs hurricanes scenario tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
What about you. Yeah, I think you're probably right, and
I think it's a good thing. I'd like to see
the Chiefs avenged last year's last year's. Finally, i'd like
to see them get up. I think it'd be good.
All right, So looking forward to this afternoon. Thank you.
We will let you go and spit polish your award
and make sure that it's nice and prominent this afternoon
right here in the middle of the desk before Hosking
reclaims the spot on Monday morning. Thank you very much.

(01:43:28):
Jason Pine with us for a weekend sport before midday.
We've got new music for you from Pulp, their first
album in almost a quarter of a century. And next
up your book picks for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Tweeter twelve on News Talks heed Be. Katherine Rain's our
book reviewer is here with her two great reads for
the weekend. Hey Catherine, morning Jack. Okay, let's begin with
a new book by Lucy Clark called The Surf House.

Speaker 25 (01:44:00):
So this joins a genre of books that I hadn't
really heard of. Called Destination Thrillers, and it's filled with
mystery and secrets and lots of blackmail. And it's set
initially in Marrakesh in Morocco, and Bee's fed up with
his modeling assignment that she's on. She's sick of being
told how to stand, what to do, and so she
decides to walk off the set, not really knowing where

(01:44:21):
she's going, and ends up straying from the husslan bustle
of the market and gets mugged in this alleyway and
this woman Marnie, steps in and they managed to escape,
and money offers her this place to stay while she
kind of gets herself back on her feet, and it's
called the Surf House, and she ends up kind of
running the place to basically pay for her board. And
then this new visitor arrives, a guy called Seth, and

(01:44:42):
he's looking for his sister, Savannah, who's been missing for
the last year, and the last, of course location that
she was seen at was the Surf House, and so
he asked Bee to help her find out what's going on.
And the plot really centers around Savannah and this group
of people dealing with some pretty big issues and this
vand that drives off into the unknown and the surf
house by the beach, and it adds kind of like

(01:45:04):
this almost haunty, eerie fear link to the whole thing.
And then you lay it in that atmospheric, breathtaking Moroccan
landscape and you get this intriguing characters and medicine plots
and ended up with a great thriller novel calls you
to turn the pages.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
I was being a little bit chea, I thought when
you said the model walks off off set in Marrakesh,
it turns into a thriller, is like, okay, are but
know that sounds good, sounds really enjoyable. Yeah, look it does.

Speaker 25 (01:45:28):
I mean you with lots of these books, you do
have to suspend a little bit of reality. Yes, you
would need to do that with this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's the whole point. That's the entire
points exactly. So that's the Serve House by Lucy Clark
Love It tell us about the Oligarch's Daughter by Joseph Finder.

Speaker 25 (01:45:45):
So you probably also want to suspend a healthy dose
of reality on this one and enter the world of
a spy thrillers. And you meet this guy Paul Brightman,
and he's a hedge fund manager on Wall Street and
at a party he meets this woman, Tadiana, who's a
pretty successful photographer, and he falls very hard for it,
and soon they end up in a relationship together and
it becomes time for him to meet her family. And

(01:46:06):
Tadiana had always told Paul that her father was a
very successful businessman, and he soon finds himself being offered
a role in her father's business. He doesn't really want
to take the job, but the offer is amazing, and
then he makes the decision to go and work and
move to the offices where her father works. And of
course he obviously, as the title suggests, he turns out
to be a Russian oligarch, and Paul finds himself escalated

(01:46:28):
in this world of hidden agenda's surveillance, betrayal, and as
he gets closer to her family, he unwittingly sort of
steps into this game of financial power, market manipulation and
Russian intelligence. And then of course the American FBI and
CIA get involved, and he's now really in over his
head and finds himself on the run. And yeah, those

(01:46:49):
after him have some very sophisticated methods of tracking and
it's an excellent sp thraugher. It reminded me really of
John McCarey, right, really well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Told herb Yeah, okay, great, I love her. But Lacarro
so that could be me. I reckon. That's The Oligarch's
Daughter by Joseph Finder, Catherine's first book, The surf Us
by Lucy Clark. Make sure both of those are on
the news talks. He'd be website thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Catherine, giving you the inside scoop on all you need
in US Saturday mornings with Jack Tame and bepure dot
co dotence it for high quality supplements used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
It'd be not the first.

Speaker 20 (01:47:22):
We are golden tonight, like two little children under the covers,
a drift in the night with the universe of us
and Powertyda and you'll be the mother and we'll make out.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
We know what it is that lived one, but whatever
it is, I know that is. Oh, just begiving.

Speaker 14 (01:47:46):
Fellow you a test like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
That is Grown Ups by Pulp. Their first album since
two thousand and one is called More and The Stelle Clifford,
our music reviewer, has been listening.

Speaker 24 (01:48:11):
She's with us this morning, hairstyle O more than and
you're celebrating Pulp everyone of course recognizing common people, so
that you played it earlier and then that song would
just come out of called grown Ups, which I think
is one of those things where the lead singer, Javis
Cocker is like, I don't really want to be one.
It's really hard to be one. Yeah, but here we

(01:48:31):
are about wrinkles instead about me.

Speaker 13 (01:48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
True. I think I've said this already this morning, you know,
Like I I, of course, when I think of pop,
I immediately think of Javis Cocker. And when I think
of Javis Cocker, I just think with a name like that,
you had to be a British rock star.

Speaker 24 (01:48:45):
You couldn't be a quiet Dodo.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Just Javis cock Just it's just perfect, you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:48:50):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's the interesting thing, like he talks
about that and the lyrics of these songs that he
was born to be a front man. He was born
to be up the front. Yeah, but also still doing
that struggle of like what is fame, what is real? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:49:05):
Pulp Pulp have kind of like you know, they've been
around since the eighties and sort of mixed vibes like
some of their albums have really had. I think their
nineties stuff is really where most people will remember Pulp,
and a lot of those albums are three albums through
the nineties did really really well for them, but there's
been a lot of messy stuff and changes of band
members and all sorts of things. But he was the
guy that kept going. He has one of those voices too,

(01:49:27):
like if you hear it, no matter who's playing with,
it's going to be Pulp because that's the sound of it.
Like you say, he's got the nave and he's also
got the voice that takes you through. This is definitely
a reunion album, like he's got a whole lot of
past members who have come back. It is also dedicated
to Steve MACKI No, he's been part of Pulp right
through since the late eighties on every single album, but

(01:49:48):
he passed away a couple of years ago, so I
kind of like that there's a tribute to the past
and then moving forward. There's plenty of what you'd expect.
I loved this actually found on one of their videos
that they've put out for Spike Island, which was the
lead single off this album. He sounds very Bowie in it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
Too.

Speaker 24 (01:50:04):
By the way, there were some fans. The fans have said,
I've definitely transformed from a miserable old crop back to
a carefree twenty year old again. I'm still loving this
about the nineties kind of sound.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Does that?

Speaker 24 (01:50:18):
So that brit pop thing, like these guys I think
are quite good at that. There's a little bit of
sort of funk, some funky jams in there where they've
got some funk guitar going on, So a little bit
of maybe playing around with some other genre is sort
of but not really like mostly sticking to what it
is they know, and I think that's quite good. There's

(01:50:39):
still this signature sort of scathing. Jarvis is quite good
at writing where he's always sort of I mean, surely
he is a rich dude, but he likes to look
at life like, oh my gosh, you poor rich people.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Yeah, I mean that's a lot of British pop and
a British rock, right. There's always the kind of the
the vein of classism kind of you know, kind of
goes through everything you know and.

Speaker 24 (01:51:05):
As part of the just make up I suppose a
little bit, isn't it. So Yeah, in glam rock New
Waves there's like that sort of dark maybe the lyrics
of the sort of the darkness or the voices, but
there's sort of light. Like there's a lot of really
forward movements in some fun kind of sound and some
really catchy tunes that I think they've managed to capture
in here. Actually going back to that grown up song,
I think it's funny because it's like the adults version

(01:51:27):
of Inside Out movies. You know, I don't know if
you've seen those, but inside Out too. They keep on
trying to make nostalgia not come through the door, but
nostalgia is very heavy and that Spike island you're going
to play out of here. Like I said, this sounds
a bit Bowie and it mixed reviews, Like some people

(01:51:47):
aren't digging it. They think it's just a bit too basic.
But you know, the cassio keyboards is kind of also
synonymous with pulp tunes, and I actually think it's really catchy.
I think it's quite good. I think the music video
that goes along with it is definitely worth the watch.
They've done some really clever imagery in there and then
sort of taken them mickey. They put some words that
come up through the video and it's actually quite funny

(01:52:09):
of themselves, which you can, can't you when you've been
around since the lay Ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
I thanks, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh nice. I'm looking forward
to having a bit more of a listening. So what
did you give it? What did you give?

Speaker 15 (01:52:19):
More?

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
By by Pop?

Speaker 24 (01:52:22):
If you're already one of their fans, you're going to
really feel connected to this. It will take you back
to a time and place. And if you're new to them,
I think that new way brick Pop's thing. They do
it really well, so that's a good one to get
in on. I mean overy, I'm going to give it
a seven out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Okay, seven out of ten. We'll have a bit more
of a listener in a couple of minutes. Thank you
very much to Stelle. There it is Stale Clifford Our
Music Ivie eject that song sounds like early David Bowie. Yes,
I think this is very much by a design, so
you're not the only one to notice that little connection.
And if you like a bit of early Bowie, then
you'll probably like a little bit of Pulp as well.
So we'll pick out a good song to play in

(01:52:53):
a couple of minutes. Right now, it is ten to twelve.
You're with Jack Tame on New Stalks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
He'd be a cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday
mornings with Jack Day and vpwre dot Code. It's a
high quality supplements news talks 'b.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
So I've done a quick scan of the country. The
good news is that the weather is slightly warmer that
it was earlier on today, which is no great surprise.
But it looks like the peak low. We say that
the lowest the peak low, the coldest temperature recorded overnight.
We're at Duneedan Airport and Techaport, so they both got
down to minus five. We had a couple of texts
from Techaporn and Lake Techapore this morning people who are

(01:53:29):
snowed in there. I think the three christ Church got
down to minus one overnight, but obviously the cold weather
is continuing. They've had a few people needed to be
plucked out of their cars after being stranded in the snow.
And of course those cook Straight sailings Fiery sailings have
been canceled because of some big swells in cook Straight
as well. So anyway, the News Talk ZB newsroom team

(01:53:52):
is going to make sure they keep you up to
speed with the very latest with the wild weather around
the country. This afternoon, Jason Pine is going to be
in the hot seat the award winning broadcast to Jason
Pine is here for weekend Sport this afternoon with the
brand new coach of the Black Cabs. For us though,
that is our time together this Saturday morning. Thank you
so much for all of your texts and your emails

(01:54:14):
to my wonderful producer Libby for doing all of the
organizational and button pushing stuff. You can go to news SOKS, dB, dot,
CODA and dead for everything from our show. I'm back
next Saturday morning from nine until then, though, we are
gonna leave you with Pulp. Their brand new album is
called More and this song is called Spike Island. See

(01:54:34):
you next week.

Speaker 14 (01:54:59):
As GM.

Speaker 15 (01:55:02):
Selling the rights.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
And try not to.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
In my life, I was conforming to a cosmic design.

Speaker 6 (01:55:10):
I was playing to time until I walked back.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
To the garden, all sleeping life I.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Was to perform.

Speaker 14 (01:55:20):
It's the course.

Speaker 20 (01:55:24):
I existed, stleaders shouting and pour.

Speaker 26 (01:55:31):
Into bad Way, badnywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
No one will ever understand it.

Speaker 20 (01:55:55):
And no one will ever have the last word, because
it's not saying he would ever say.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
So.

Speaker 14 (01:56:03):
Swift I think know what did It's just.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
That this could be.

Speaker 14 (01:56:23):
And that where it's by going way, time getting home
and that h It's by Golt.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
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