Full Show Podcast: 21 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
Golda New Zealand, Good morning and welcome to news Talks, EDB.
Jack tae with you through the midday today. And when
you think about it, the question of a favorite tonight
should be a total doozy. It should be a simple one.
A sitter, an absolute sitter. I mean, after all, the
Chiefs put sixteen points on the Crusaders the last time
they played. The Chiefs finished the regular season in first

(01:10):
place in the Crusaders well, they finished ninth in the
twenty twenty four season. And yet tonight, as we count
down to the Super Rugby Final in christ Church, given
the crusaders incredible winning record, the tab basically has these teams.
Even Stevens when it comes to a favorite for a
Super Rugby title, cannot wait to get our Sportos thoughts

(01:30):
on that it is a tantalizing prospect to Mighty Williams
back in the starting fifteen for the Crusaders, but is
he at full strength. We'll talk to our sporto before
ten o'clock. As well as that, I'm going to tell
you about the fantastic new film starring Sydney Sweeney and
Julianne Moore and where you can see that, And then
after ten o'clock this morning, our feature interview. Is the

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star of one of those ridiculous reality TV shows that
follows a seemingly normal profession. So you know how there's
kind of a show for everything these days. We have
shows that follow ambulance cruise, we have shows that follow
border security. This show follows super yachts and I'll tell
you what it is, a runaway global smash hit. The

(02:11):
show is below Deck. Captain Kerry is one of the stars.
He's an Australian who for the last two decades has
been working the super yacht circuit. So he's going to
be with us after ten o'clock on news talks. He'db
to give us some of his war stories. Right now,
it's eight minutes past nine, Jack Dame, and everyone says
the best time to travel with a baby is before

(02:33):
it can walk, And the theory kind of makes sense
right when you think about it. Most toddlers once they've
learnt to trot around the place live for nothing more.
All they want to do is walk. In fact, if
you think about it, you really don't want to get
close to even blurring the line between rolling and crawling
and waddling away. The moment your child is old enough

(02:55):
and independently spirited enough to drag themselves around, you're done for.
There is no reasoning with an exhausted one year old
on a packed triple seven. You can't calmly explain that
actually the part it has just put on the fastened
seat belt sign, so if you wouldn't mind taking your seat,
You can't even vegetate them with a screen. As the
old advice goes, if you're going to travel with a
young one, you are best to do it when they're

(03:18):
really young. Hold them tight and they'll mistake turbulence for rocking.
Chuck them on the boob or the bottle if their
ears are popping, and hey, you'll be at your destination
in no time.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Or not.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
As someone who usually prides themselves on embracing new experiences,
even I will con see that. As our departure date approached,
I felt an unmistakably growing sense of anxiety about our
journey twenty four hours to Toronto with a four month
old little boy and his eight year old brother. It

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all seemed so easy when we booked the tickets, but
the stress really kicked in the moment the taxi arrived
to take us to the airport. Having purchased a special
travel car seat secondhand, it was a rude shock to
discover that it didn't fit our cab like it fitted
all the cars and the instructional YouTube videos Q ten

(04:13):
minutes of wrestling and cursing at a T shirt neckline
already drenched in sweat. Timing an eight pm flight with
a baby means being at the airport at six pm,
which of course means getting a cab at five to
fifteen pm. Our boy is usually fine in a car seat,
just so long as he's moving, but of course, when

(04:34):
it's the beginning of a long weekend and everyone is
leaving Auckland at once, nobody's moving. You're lucky to get
more than a couple of car lengths without coming to
a standstill. Once again. By the time we arrived at
the airport, he had already screened his lungs out and
my blood pressure was sitting somewhere between concerning and see

(04:55):
a medical professional immediately, just twenty three hours to go.
I've traveled enough and been sat next door near enough
to baby to know a lot of the theory around
flying with little ones. But the thing you only fully
appreciate once you're in charge is just how precarious any

(05:17):
moment of peace always seems. They might be fast asleep
in their mother's arms as the playing taxis to the runway,
but he's never more than a little jolt away from
potentially stirring and screaming. It's kind of like you're cradling
like a pink, chubby little grenade who's missing a pin.

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He might go off. It might be catastrophic. He might
scream and scream until all the babies on the flight
slowly tip each other off like a cadre of car
alarms at thirty thousand feet. Or he might just sleep.
The potential for either option is never more than a
few seconds away. Of course, some things are just destined

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to go wrong. The moment you put your baby in
the bassinet and he goes to sleep, there will be turbulence,
and you'll be forced to take him out, bright and
alert as a little mere cat. The moment you successfully
navigate the row forty eight bathrooms and their slippery changing
table and make it back triumphant to your seat, you
will recognize a familiar straining expression on your baby's face.

(06:23):
The moment you're sure that your son couldn't possibly have
any more burps and you just happen to lower that
spill cloth for a couple of seconds, he will make
sure to exploit that sartorial weakness, so before long his
dried milk can mix in with that dried sweat from
the taxi earlier. On the moment you land, you will
discover there's been a mix up with your luggage in

(06:45):
the car seat, and that's going to take longer to
fix and jepanize your connection. It will be lord of
the flies and the customs queue. You will miss your
connecting flight, and the replacement will somehow fail to have
transferred the infant's booking. So what you asked, do you
suggest we just leave him here? Most of this, of course,
isn't any one person's fault, just the inevitable hiccups when

(07:09):
navigating the crazy logistics of internal travel. In fairness, Marney
did about as well as anyone could expect a four
month old to do. But traveling long hall with a
baby has tested my enthusiasm for the whole new experiences philosophy. Sure,
he might have spewed in the middle of an aisle

(07:29):
while half the plane was watching him. He might have
gone through a dozen nappies, three rompers, a cardigan, and
no fewer than five bibs. But next time I'll remember
that I'm the one who needs to pack extra clothes
in his carry on. And after it all, after it
all there, we were more than twenty four hours since

(07:49):
we left home. Pulling into a quiet street and a
little town on Lake Ontario, it was almost help us.
Three in the morning local time, the dead of night.
Marney's grandparents were waiting to meet their grandson for the
first time. Marnie's great grandparents were waiting to meet him
for the first time. Bleary eyed and terry eyed, we

(08:11):
hugged and cried in the warm summer ayar sons, daughters, aunties,
grandparents and great grandparents, four generations together, and it was
all worth it. Jack Tam ninety two ninety two is
our text number if you want to send me a
text message. This morning don't forget that. If you're sending
me a text standard text costs supply, you can email

(08:33):
me as well, Jackatnewstalk ZB dot Co dot Nz before
ten o'clock. If you've been invited along to a bit
of a mutterdicky shared dinner this weekend, a barbecue or something,
you have no idea what to take, we have a
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(08:55):
with you shortly. Kevin Melnder Next though it's quarter past nine,
I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning, and this is Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack team and beep
Youward on co dot nz for high quality supplements used.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
TALKSB eighteen fast nine on news Talks V with Jack Tame. Oh, Jack,
I ended up in tears at the end of that,
says Maxine. As a nana, I could picture it all.
I love your stories, Thanks so much, Maxine. Jack loved
that story about long haul traveling with a baby laughed
and cried. I could feel the whole journey, but meeting
everyone at the other end did it for me. I'm
that grandma. Thank you ninety two ninety two if you

(09:31):
want to send us a message. This morning, I had
this amazing kind of not out of body experience waking
up this morning. So we went to bed at five
o'clock local time, bather by the time we got the
boys down and kind of had a shower and everything,
and then we got up and of course, you know,
with jet lag, you're supposed to go outside and get
a bit of sunshine. But Marnie fell asleep on me.
So my wife and her parents and our eight year

(09:52):
old ended up going out for a couple of hours,
and I stayed home with my wife's great girl, with
my wife's grandparents. So our boys great grandparents, who are
very Persian, speak very little English and are in their
ninety and so we had this amazing couple of hours
connecting on the couch with their great grandson. It's just, honestly,

(10:14):
it's like just so special, you know, and and not
to lean into the cop pupper of Mataikei unnecessarily, but
I think, you know, being together at this time of year.
Is one of the core kind of copapper behind Mattadiki,
So it was kind of special that we're able to
travel across the world and and see you know, family
in this way. It really is. I'll get to more

(10:35):
of your feedback in a couple of minutes, but Kevin
Milon is here with us this morning. Call to Kevin.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Or Mariki to tow ho Mari my own. I hope
you have enjoying the weekend very much.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
So yeah, manawats maki Kevin. Yeah, yeah, it's I'm I'm
a big fan of the Muttadikey holiday. It does feel like,
I mean, so many things to like about it. Great
time of year for it, love the kind of copuppa,
Love that it's related to the natural world so you're
looking up to the sky and trying to see that
star cluster as well. But yeah, I'm a big fan.
I love that that it's a long weekend, that it

(11:15):
doesn't fall in the middle of the week. If you're
going to have a public holiday, there's no point having
it on a Wednesday. You might as well make it
a long weekend.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
So yeah, that's very much.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
A big fan of Matadiki. And I think a lot
of people will be enjoying it this weekend. And Kevin,
you've been impressed this week by a local TV show.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Well after questioning last week with the New Zealand TV
companies are running out of original ideas. I didn't discover
Diary of a Junior Doctor. I stumbled onto it and
it was the third episode this week on TV and
said it was so compelling. I went back and watched
the first two diary. Diary of a Junior Doctor sounds

(11:52):
a bit like a soap and if there's anything wrong
with it this program, I think it's the name of
the of the show, but it's far from the soap.
Cameras followed the lives of five or six junior doctors
as a transition from students real doctors working with real
people in the cauldron that's Auckland's Middlemore Hospital. You know,

(12:14):
I haven't seen this sort of documentary done so well.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
As someone who's directed.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
The odd documentary, I'm left wondering, how did the producers
get access to so much of what's going on in Middlemore?
How did they get the ok to film patients and
crisis emergency births, critically injured accident victims. Maybe the director
was allowed to film cut Blanche as long as it
was all approved later. I can't think of another way

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it was done. Whatever the scenes are compelling, I found
myself asking more questions. How did the producers convince these
bright young doctors be filmed at such a critical time
in their careers. They've got enough on their shoulders without
having cameras looking over. But it wasn't luck that probably

(13:02):
the most talented of all the junior doctors also happened
to have an all black boyfriend who I think they've
now and got engaged, who's also.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Happy to be filmed. The doctor will surely.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Increase the public's admiration for doctors a stress three young ones,
but I'm not so sure Jack, that will encourage more
bright young.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
School students to apply for med school.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
Let's hope it does, but blind me that job of
a junior doctor looks bloody scary anyway. Congratulations to Kiwi
Production how storymaker and producer director Rachel Curry for the
remarkable stories and insights in Diary of a Junior Doctor,
And can I also just add I sort of feel

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a bit slowy really haven't criticized the lack of good ideas.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
And I've been many said us a week, what a terrific.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
Series Endangered Species at Roya was Nicola Toke and back
Society brilliant.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I totally agree. Yeah, they are outstanding those to such
an unlikely here as well. But you know, that is
such a good job. I kind of love the good
cop bad cop vibe they have, you know, when they
go out into nature together. But yeah, you're spot on
about Diary of a Junior Doctor as well. I mean
I wondered the same thing. You know, as someone who's
worked in TV for a couple of decades, now you think,

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oh my goodness, I know what health New Zealanders like
to you know, to work with, and I just can't
imagine what it's like to go to them and say, hey,
can we just have cameras rolling the whole time? But
it's compelling, it's really compelling in such important stories. And
I think, you know, so often when it comes to
health stuff, we know about the you know, we hear
the kind of theory of things, we hear the news reporting, right,

(14:44):
but to actually see it firsthand, to get a visceral
kind of perspective of what it's like on the frontline
of our health system. I think it's just so so
valuable and it's really compelling. So yeah, well, well see Kevin,
who's your pick for the Super Rugby Finals tonight?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I don't know, Actually I don't know. And it's more
it's no worrious fantas game.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Ah spoken like a Hurricanes fan. Yes, sorry, Kevin. Yeah,
you know what, Sometimes it's a great pleader in sport
to actually watch a really good game, a high stakes
game when you have no skin in it, you know,
when it doesn't doesn't bother, it doesn't bother you who's
going to come out on top? Sometimes that can be a.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Great Exactly, that's quite right. It'll be a terrific game.
It'll be a great Yeah, I'm yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Coun't wait. Hey, thanks so much, Kevin. Agree with Kevin
on the text. I did the same, watched the first
three episodes. What an incredible, wonderful show, Jack. I'm also
loving Diary of a Junior Doctor as someone who works
with these young doctors when the medical students, it's a
great insight into the next steps. Thank you for that.
Ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us
text message we're going to get us sportos. Thoughts on

(15:54):
the Super Rugby plus of course, Pee Burling heading to
Luna Rossa. Well, they said that Emirates in New Zealand
wasn't happy with him and scheduling his his sale GP
commitments around their America's Cup campaign. So what's it going
to mean for the competition when the America's Cup rolls?

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Around?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Twenty five past nine on News Talks, EDB.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on Newstalks.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
EDB, Well, I'm not winning everyone over. My goodness, Jack,
that was the most self indulgent rambling. No mention of
your partner. Look, she did a lot of the hard work.
I'm not gonna lie. She did a lot of the
heavy lifting. I wonder if I should check that number,
actually make sure it isn't her who's texted me this morning.
I'm sorry, Jack, says Kate. But if you want sympathy
for taking a baby on a plane and inflicting him

(16:45):
on other passengers, you won't get it from me. I
think babies and their families should have their own air
tight area in which they remain for the entire flight.
No sympathy whatsoever for anyone except for the other passengers.
Sorry about it, Kate. Do you know what though, I
kind of agree on the on the family zone on
a plane. She with the big like the big flights

(17:08):
that go go a long distance, right, Like, if you
could have just a little zone at the end of
the plane and you said this is the family area,
I think not only would it make people who don't
have families feel a bit, you know, a bit more
at peace on the flight, but it would also make
the families feel a bit more at peace, because it's
not so much the baby screaming that you're concerned about, obviously,

(17:28):
it's the impact on other passengers that you're concerned about.
So I actually think there's a kernel of a good
idea in there. K ninety two ninety two If you
want to send us a message. This morning, our sporto
Andrew Savell is counting down for a massive evening of
Kiwi sport the Warriors at five, the Super Rugby Final
at seven. Let's start there sav what is going to
decide the twenty twenty five Super Rugby Final between the

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Chiefs and the Crusaders.

Speaker 8 (17:52):
Just before we get onto the rugby I didn't even
realize you were away.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
So well done for.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
You for gritting the teeth, biting down on the mouthguard
and deciding to take the baby way. I always said
this theory a lot of traveling. I'd previously done a
lot of traveling before kids, and there was always a
screaming baby on every flight You're on, right, So to
take your own baby on is.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Just it's karma, isn't it. It's it's baby justice.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Well goes round, come round? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's baby justice.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I like that. I'll tell Kate there.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (18:24):
Having twins, we used to walk on the plane and
you can see the color drain out of the other
passenger's face. Brilliant anyway, Yeah, ice hockey two up there.
Obviously Flora Panthers won. It's been thirty odd years since
the Canadian team won the un h O ice hockey title.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Ah, I didn't know that. There you go. I'll drop
the dinner tonight and look look like him, very informed,
thirty odd years, very good.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
You can raise that Canadian hosts tonight.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, yes, what is going to define
the game? I think we're going to see another classic
between these two teams. You know, we often talk about
Blues and Crusaders being the super rugby rivalry, but in
modern times, the last five teen years, it's really been
the Chiefs Crusaders. The last ten times I've played, I
think it's five each and both sides of one away

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from home, not with regularity, but with enough for the
Chiefs to back themselves to win in Christ Durge tonight.
I know the tab has got them fifty to fifty.
You'd have to put the Crusaders, I think just ahead
because it's.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
The home, it's their home.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
It's going to be the last playoff definitely at the
old ramshackle makeshift stadium. A lot to play for there
for the Crusaders, and they're looking each game this season,
they're looking more and more crusader like with that stiff
defense and its defense rather than as a weathers closed
and it's really played right up into their wheelhouse if

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you like, the staunch defense, keeping it tight, rumbling, so
whether it will be cold, it'll be slippery tonight, so
that'll play into their hands as well.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Whereas the Chiefs.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Good ball carryers, Damien McKenzie running the cutter. I think
there'll be a lot of kicking tonight, but we should
see some attack as well, primarily i'd say.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
First and foremost from the Chiefs.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
So Chiefs have got a good chancey if they can,
if they can get enough ball, get enough quickball and
both teams. Discipline is the key in the final as well,
whether it's penalties or yellow cards.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I think the Chiefs have got a good chance.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, I think they do too. I mean they've got
a lot of things in their favor, not the least
of which being that they beat the Crusaders at home
by sixteen points.

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Only doesn't it does? You can't read when your Blacks
play the Wallabies. The Wallabies talk themselves up and everybody goes, oh,
you know straight, yeah, yeah, and then and then wacko
that the all Blacks clean them out. So I think
a lot of people have said during you know, the
Chiefs have got a starter as chance, which they have.
The Crusaders will be motivated by a lot of that
tourk i'd say, and defending that home patch and that

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record of thirty one playoff games in a row without
a loss as a huge factor as well.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
So I'm talking about big results. How about the putin
they getting up over the British and Irish Lions.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
Yeah, in I couldn't remember this, but in two thousand
and five, before the Lions came here, they played the
Pumas and they drew. So this is obviously a big
step forward for Argentina. Look the Lions, as we know,
they come together pretty quickly. There's players with injury, there's
players coming and going. You're trying to mold those four

(21:31):
teams together. It's very tricky. You could just see in
this morning's game. You know, new moves, new communication, players
never having played together before. Whereas the Argentinians are a
tight unit. So they won twenty eight twenty four in Dublin,
massive crowd, a sea of read. It's just amazing how

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these teams, the home unions go at it in the
Six Nations with huge support and then when they come
together as the Lion, the same story. Massive support for
them in Dublin this morning, and there's going to be
a lot of traveling fans into Australia next week or two.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Look fantastic.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Finally, ZEV, give us your thirty second take on Peter Berling.

Speaker 8 (22:13):
Yeah, well, not a major, major surprise that he's gone
to another team.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Look.

Speaker 8 (22:20):
I think Berling and team musing at loggerheads over the future,
not necessarily money, but over future plans.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
He leaves.

Speaker 8 (22:30):
The new nationality rule could come in which allows two
non nationals to be on your boat. Luna Rossa would
have picked up the phone straight away and gone, hello, Peter,
come over to us. He is the moulah come and
say come and help us design our boats. So not
a great surprise, but that's a big, big loss for teammates.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, no, it is. It's going to be fascinating to
watch as well. Money. Actually, I reckon might drum up
a bit more interest in the America's Cupan might have
been there otherwise. Actually it could be a good thing
from the sport, at least from a spectator's perspective in
this part of the world. Thank you sir, We will
catch you again soon our sporto Andrew Saville there. So yeah,
the Panthers Warriors can off at five o'clock tonight at

(23:08):
go Media Stadium. Before that seven o'clock kickoff a Polo
Projects Stadium for the Super Rugby Final the Chiefs and
the Crusaders. One name we didn't mention as to Mighty Williams.
He's back, although still with a little not a not
an injury cloud, just like a tiny little like a
little bit of injury condensation around him. I don't know
what's what's smaller than a cloud. I just I really

(23:28):
hope he's at full strength to night. Of course, the
All Blacks being named on Monday as well, so you'd
expect to see him in that. But hoping that he
can get through a good chunk of that eighty minutes tonight,
and certainly if you can, you'd think that would boost
the Crusader's chances. I'll get to Marie feedback in a
couple of minutes before ten o'clock. We've got that delicious
pomegranate colieflower and seedy kl salad recipe. If you've got
a shared dinner this Matadiki weekend right now it is

(23:50):
twenty five to ten, you with newstalks, he'd be I
might for again, Bady, feel like I don't have the answers.

Speaker 9 (23:59):
This bes in madness overheads there jiy me.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
That is Lord and Hammer. The new album is only
a week away. Virgin is of course the title of
the new album. Looking forward to listening to the whole thing.
But that song is called Hammer. It's her latest release.
Just Yeah, a week or so out from the new EP.
Thank you for your feedback this morning heaps and heaps
the messages. Clear, flick me a note, say Jack. I
traveled back to the UK most years with our two boys,

(24:33):
who were born eighteen months apart. Usually had to travel
on my own, and I soon learned that they'd sleep
half the time, usually at the same time, So my
technique was that I booked seats in the very back
row of the plane, right down near by the toilets,
so if they were awake when others were sleeping, it
was less of a problem. Once though, I got on
in Auckland and was promptly handed a glass of bubbles,
which I thought was strange given I was in the

(24:53):
very last row of the plane, but it was because
the flight attendants had discovered I was heading to the
UK on my Loansome. Yeah, it's nice having met support. Clear, Peter,
flick me a note to say Jack. We headed home
to New Zealand from the UK. We had a six
month old baby, had been an absolute dream and felt
pretty confident getting on the plane. He screened the entire
way and by the entire way. I mean the entire way.

(25:15):
I feel like I aged five years in the space
of about thirty six hours. Yeah, I'm sure there are
other people who can relate to that as well. Thanks
Peter ninety two ninety two. If you want to send
us a text message this morning, right now, it is
twenty one minutes to ten on Newstalks, he'd be Francesca Rudgen,
our film reviewers, here with her picks for this weekend.
More than a Hi, good morning, and let's kick off

(25:37):
with a little bit of a listen to a film
that's currently screening on Apple TV Plus with some big
names the likes of Sydney Sweeney and Julianne Moore. This
is Echo Valley.

Speaker 10 (25:47):
I hold, are you bleeding? You need to be completely
honest with me. Wow, I was with my boyfriend Worsted Oakley.

Speaker 11 (26:01):
Is he okay?

Speaker 12 (26:03):
But there was? It was an accident. It was here.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
They had them for the rock.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Dun Dun d that's Echo Valley. Sounds kind of silius
to Franchisca.

Speaker 11 (26:13):
Yeah, look, it's interesting this film. It's on Apple TV.
It's written by Brad Inglesby, who wrote Mayor of Easttown
It's directed by Michael Pierce and the film is kind
of in two parts. It sort of starts off as
quite a sad, melodramatic drama about a mother and a
daughter both trying to hold their lives together. Great cast.

(26:36):
Julianne Moore plays Kate and she is trying to recover
from the death of her wife. Her wife died suddenly
in an accident. She lives on her own on this
horse farm. She's a horse trainer and a riding coach
and she's really sort of struggling. And her daughter Claire
played by Sweeney Sidney Sweeney, Sidney Sidney Sidney Sweeney, thank you.

(27:05):
I'm glad someone's.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Prettiesspe that is me.

Speaker 11 (27:08):
I've just been for a swim. I'd be to swim
and I think my.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Whole I see.

Speaker 11 (27:16):
And she plays her daughter, Claire, and she's a drug
addict and over the years she has caused Kate a
lot of pain. She's put her through rehab, she's walked out,
she keeps going back.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
To the drug.

Speaker 11 (27:27):
Her druggy boyfriend that got caught up with these sort
of drug dealers and things, and in a way, Kate
is just holding on to a glimmer of hope that
maybe she will get her daughter back, the daughter that
she remembers. So there's a lot of flashbacks to her
childhood and things like that.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
So it's kind of this.

Speaker 11 (27:44):
Sort of melancholic, sort of sad, melodramatic film. Then it
switches and it switches into a thriller, and I was
really grateful for this switch because it instead of been
seeing a little claustrophobic with its sadness anyway, switches into
it into asrilla. And the question here is how far
will Kate go to save her daughter Claire? To protect

(28:06):
her daughter, and she definitely oversteps the line. She finds
herself in this whole new world of some pretty dodgy people,
and the question is can she pull us South out
of it? You know, can she pulled us south out
of her own grief to keep a clear head, to
get us South out of the situation. And so I
really liked it when it's switched up. I think the
performances from Julianne Moore and Sidney Sweeney are the best
thing about this film. They're both excellent. I really like

(28:29):
Sidney Sweeney in this film. She wears no makeup, You
actually find yourself going. I was watching her, go oh,
that is Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's great.

Speaker 11 (28:36):
She's a very volatile character. She nails her character really well.
You never quite know what's going on, so the two
of them together, it's absolutely worth watching. Just didn't I
was really excited about the cast and the writer and things,
but didn't quite come together for me as well as
I hoped.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Okay, okay, all right, that's Echo Valley. It does sound
kind of interesting, like you say, at least that the
kind of charisma or the connection between Sidney Sweeney and
Julianne Moore sounds interesting. That screening on Apple TV Plus
at the moment. Also out in cinemas right now. Merchant
Ivory tell us about this. This was part of the
British and Irish Film Festival last year.

Speaker 11 (29:12):
Yes, it did screen and it's come back now for
general release, so it's on in cinemas. And look, I
think all of us at some point has been to
or were dragged to a merchant Ivory film, you know,
A room with a view, The Remains of the Day,
Howard's End. In the eighties, they took the period drama,
the costume drama, and they turned it into these mainstream

(29:35):
global hits, and they kind of created a genre all
of their own, and it looked like they were this
independent production company was hugely successful, and they created this
great kind of formula for making these films with their
beautiful settings and lush, you know, costumes and wonderful music

(29:55):
and then these complex characters. They really nailed it, but
behind the scenes it was absolute chaos. So you had
Ismail Merchant, who was this producer who is called in
this documentary you just learn all about There's God. He's
a con man, he's a pirate. He he really did things,

(30:16):
you know. He pulled these films together with no money.
He was a hustler. He did everybody's head and people
would say after doing one of his films, I'm never
doing it again, and then they would charm them straight
back into the next film. And then you had and
then you had James Ivory who was the director, and
he was this gentle, soft person that loved to collaborate

(30:36):
with his artists and everybody that he would just get
the best of the best people on board. He'd make
sure they knew what they were doing, and then he'd
leave them to it, and they created these beautiful collaborations.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
So it's a real.

Speaker 11 (30:45):
Behind the scenes glimpse and the reality of trying to
be trying to make films you want to make. And
that was the difference between these guys. They did make
films they wanted to make. So look, if you've ever
you know, if you remember all those films in the
eighties and nineties, this is a really charming and entertaining
it's quite briskly keep it moving along really well, it's

(31:06):
filled with every star under the sun. So it's a
great little watch and a behind the scenes glimpse of
making movies.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Okay, so that's merchant Ivory that's showing in cinemas right now.
Giving it as the winter solstice, well I think it's
winter just after two o'clock this afternoon, isn't it. So
where'd you go for a swim? CHECKI poona Oh okay,
that's good. Yeah, look, guys can throw yourself out in
the back of the pih waves or something that would
be nice level but no, no, no, a quick depit
takapuna makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 11 (31:36):
We're doing all over the country and a lot colder
places than I did.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, still, it's bracing, but a bracing way to stay.
You said it every morning. Thank you so much, Francisca.
Those films once again. Echo Valley is on Apple TV plus,
merchant Ivory is showing in cinemas. We'll make sure all
of the details for those films are up on the
news talks he'd be website. It is fourteen to.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Ten Saturday mornings with Jack tain keeping the conversation going
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Speaker 3 (32:05):
Talks'd be twelve two ten on newstig end v You
with Jack Tame. Okay, pop quiz, what do the bubble
firing pistol shrimp and the invisible glass frog have in common?
I'm guessing first of all, you've never heard of either,
and second of all, that's kind of the point of
this amazing new documentary we're going to tell you about

(32:25):
after ten o'clock this morning, So if you've finished Franchesca's films,
this could be a great option. The show is called Underdogs.
It's like a nature documentary, but it looks at animals
that are kind of misfits or haven't really been covered
in a traditional David Attenborough style. Here's the lion hunting
the gazelle kind of story. So we're going to tell
you a bit more about that show after ten o'clock
this morning. Right now, though, Rows of Flannagan, one of
the two Raw Sisters, is with us.

Speaker 13 (32:47):
Kilder, Hey, Jack, how are you?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm so well, thank you and really excited about your
recipe recipe this morning, because this is perfect if you
were heading along to a long weekend gathering a pomegranite,
coliflower and seedy kale salad.

Speaker 13 (33:02):
Absolutely it is, yeah, super super easy. You can whip
it up in next to no time. And what I
love about it is that you can make it in advance,
so all you need to do. We'll get into the
recipe because I'm sure everyone will want to make it
today for the rugby flyer maybe. So we've got the couliflowers.
So the couliflowers roasted up. Not sure if you've used

(33:24):
pomegranate the license before it a bit of a secret ingredient.
Drizzle that over your cauliflower flourettes on the baking trays
from cooking oil, sea salt. Toss that together and we
put that in the oven at two hundred degrees for
about thirty to thirty five minutes. Feel free to add
any other vegews in there as well, and then we
cook up some kinoa. So we're all about being intelligently

(33:45):
lazy in the kitchen. So while your couliflowers roasting, put
your kin wa in the pot with the water. Put
that away, while your kiln white and your cauliflower roasting,
We've got some quick pickled red onion, so easy, just
suddenly slice your red onion up and you can use
any other vgice. You could do carrots or what else,

(34:07):
even thinly sliced cauliflower as well as delicious with some
apple cider, vinegar or any other red wine, red wine vinegar,
white wine vinegar, sea salt, and stir that all together
and just let that pickle away and then it'll be
ready by the time you come to plate. We've also
got a pomegranate lemon oil, so that's just got some

(34:29):
extraversion olive oil, more pomegranate molassus, the vest and juice
of a lemon, and some sea salt. So just add
all of those ingredients into a bowl and mix it together.
And then once you've got all your components ready, So
your roasted couliflower, your cooked kin, while your quick pickled
red onion, your pomegranate lemon oil. It sounds like a lot,
but honestly, all of them are so simple to prepare

(34:51):
pretty much just add everything into a bowl. So we
add our roasted cauliflower into the bowl, the kiinoa. We've
got some kale, so thin leaf sliced kale leaves, got
some fresh herbs in there, so just use whatever you
prefer and have it home. We've got some hosted seeds
and your red onion, your pomegranate lemon oil, and toss
it all together. And you can make that two to

(35:12):
three hours in advance. But put it in a snap
pop container, easy to transport if you're going to a
friends or in a bowl. Cover it with a teatowel,
clean tetail, and then transport it if you're going out
as well.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
That sounds so yum. And I'm a huge fan of
pomegranate molasses. Can I just say this recipe could not
have come at a better time for me personally. I
don't know how many of our listeners are currently staying
with their persian in laws, who of course have basically
nothing in their cupboards but for pomegranate molasses. And so
if I can work this out, I'll tell you what.
I Am just going to be the son in law
you know of dreams, mate.

Speaker 13 (35:48):
Well, a lot of people actually ask where we get
our pomegranate molasses from. You can find it in the
international section of your supermarkets. So yeah, I know New
World definitely has it. Lebanon Gardens is the brand that
we use and what the markets generally have, so gone
check out your international section of just this market to

(36:08):
find some.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, and you guys have got some great little alternatives
things you can swap in, right, So for stuff that's
seasonal or maybe not quite a seasonal, but you could
like replace a coulieflower with kermita or eggplant, capsicum, zucchini,
anything like that. And you could do that with a
few other things, like what could you swap for the
keenwa if you're not a huge keen wa fan?

Speaker 13 (36:28):
Absolutely so brown rice also past the millet's a great
gluten free grain bolgle eat that's the Middle Eastern inspied grain.
So you can swap anything out. And Margaret and I
we really encourage you guys just use what you've got
at home, and don't feel like you have to gone
by every single ingredient at hot that the recipe calls for.
So as you said, j can be substudent in out,

(36:50):
in and out. We've got our grains. If you don't
have a red onion, put it, yeah, just leave it
out altogether. As I said, you can use a carrot,
you can use thinly sliced coulieflourish or something like that
reddish exactly. It's just a great chance to just creative
and use what you've got. And margl and I we
always like to serve obviously a salad. We encourage you

(37:13):
to serve it with your choice of protein as well,
so something like a slow cooked land leg and steak, salmon,
chicken filasfles if you're vegetarian. It all works really well.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
So good. Hey, thank you so much for Roser. That
does sound amazing talking. Yeah, happy Matadiki weekend. We will
catch again very soon. Rosa Flannagan, she is one of
the two Raw Sisters. We'll make sure that that recipe
is up at newstalkszb dot code on in Zen. But
of course you can find heaps of amazing delicious recipes
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Speaker 3 (37:55):
Supplements use talks be okay, how's about this? I'm not
just talking about game when it comes to the pomegranate
molasses for dinner at our place tonight is fest and June,
which is a Persian dish. It's a hot ash, which
is a stew, and the main ingredients are you have
a meat, so you have a protein like a chicken
or a dark or a lamb, and then you make

(38:16):
a paste out of pomegranate paste and ground walnuts. So
our house has been reverberating today with the food process
and mashing up all the walnuts for pest and June.
So yeah, I will report back on that, but I
feel cautiously optimistic and saying I think it's gonna be delicious.
Thank you for your feedback this morning, Aaron flick me,
you know, to say, Jack loved your opening story this morning.
I feel like I've got PTSD. It certainly brought back

(38:38):
some memories but in your case, at the very least,
it sounds like the destination was worth all the pain
of the journey. Right after the ten o'clock News, can't
wait for this our feature interview this week Captain Kerry,
the Aussie star of Below Deck, the international super yacht
reality TV sensation News is next. Though it's almost ten o'clock.

(38:59):
I'm Jacktaane.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
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Speaker 3 (39:33):
A Koto You were Jack tame on News Talks dB
in the Hot Seat through to twelve o'clock midday Today,
a new season of Below Deck has set sail on
our screens. The reality show has been running for more
than ten years now. It kind of chronicles the high pressure,
high stakes world of super yachts, where crews not only
have to navigate the normal challenges of life at sea,

(39:55):
but also have to deal with the whims of their
super rich clients. Captain Kerry is the man at the
helm of the super yachts St. David, and he joins
us this morning. Kilda. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
Zee.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Oh it's so good to be speaking with you and
so good to see you down under At the moment,
I'm going to start with a really ridiculous seeming question. Okay,
imagine that I was an ostrich, I had my head
buried in the sand. Imagine I've been living in a
cave for the last fifteen years. How do you explain
below deck?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Mate?

Speaker 9 (40:27):
It's it's a docudrama about all us guys worker on
a big yacht and it's shown all the stuff the
guests I.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Get to see.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, and I reckon if you call it a docu drama.
It's heavy on the drama.

Speaker 14 (40:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's a docu Softly, I.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Mean it is amazing because it combines big personalities, glamorous locations, money,
you know, it has all the ingredients for an amazing
and compelling show, which I think probably explains some of
its success. But take us back a little bit, how
did you get involved with super yachts?

Speaker 9 (41:05):
So my okra in the middle of Queensland, out in
the bush, family of trades people. So there was never
a vision of me being on a boat. My earliest
memory of a boat was, you know, being on a
toboggle behind my dad's boat, or going a little bit
Sundays and seeing the guys running around and their budget
smugglers doing the parasailing. But it was never anything I
was going to do. I was destined to be electrician,

(41:27):
and I ended up giving that a shot. Things didn't
work out with the company I was at. I was
pumping fuel at a servo, dipping the oil that we
used to checking a tie pressure, and.

Speaker 14 (41:39):
A job popped up to be a deckhand in a
parasailing boat.

Speaker 9 (41:43):
Back then, I had a lot of flowing long locks
of hair, and I rocked up at the boat and
I'm like, how good is this? You know, as electrician,
you get the phone call and they don't want to
give you money, and you know, doing tourism, you know,
on a parasailing boat, people got throw money at you
and get me out in the sun and meeting awesome people.

(42:04):
And that's god how it started off. While I was
doing that, this yacht pulled him beside us in Townsville,
and I was just amazed. It was forty meters yacht
and which you know those days, was massive, and I
saw the captain of his epaulets and all the crew,
and I oh, one day.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
I want to do that.

Speaker 14 (42:25):
And it got a me a job. But you know,
I was young and in love and wasn't ready to leave.

Speaker 9 (42:31):
And probably fast forward fifteen years I met that captain
in Fort Lauderdale and then five years later, by chance,
by captain that same boat.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Well, it's amazing how it's kind of a full circle thing, right,
Like you you know, you have to wonder about the
higher power or something you know that can it kind
of explain that serendipity when you think of a journey
like that, and what is it that you love about
being on the water so much to this day because
you've been doing it for dear, I say, almost three decades,

(43:03):
but your.

Speaker 9 (43:03):
Spot on I got on my first it was eighteen
and I'm forty nine now fifty coming up in December.

Speaker 14 (43:12):
It's just an it's incredible, mate. Like I said, I
grew up in the bush, you know, but I always
love water.

Speaker 9 (43:17):
You know, a go on the river, you know, making
a rope swing, you know, waiting for the floods to
come by, and you know, getting up to no good.

Speaker 14 (43:24):
So it's just where I'm meant to be, mate. I
loving in the water.

Speaker 9 (43:27):
I love the environment and the energy of people around,
like most people who have a boat are smiling. You know,
it's just a great cold too part of and you
know all lands are connected by water, so I get
to explore the world.

Speaker 14 (43:41):
Yeah on someone else is dying.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah yeah, that's a key better I reckon. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So,
So what did you think of below deck when you
were working as a captain working in the industry, presumably
being aware of the show and the kind of impact
it was having, but being on the outside.

Speaker 9 (44:02):
It's really evolved into a showcase of our industry where
it's Maine. People are there's actually a job out there
to do, you know, as Aussie's and Kiwi's we pretty
much own the market and yotting up until the recession
happened in the States in two thousand and eight and
like Kiwis and asses went home. But especially for America,

(44:22):
there's people there in the middle of the country they
had no idea that God existed. So it's opened up
the market for crew more American student to join the
industry and those around the world. And it's also open
of a market of people who had no idea they
could rent a yacht for a week. Yeah, so it's
quite exciting.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, you mentioned the Kiwis and Aussies. I mean, I've
got mates have gone and spent years working on two
b Yocht's kind of as an oe, you know. It's
the kind of their right of passage, if you like.
They go overseas and it's a great way to see
the world, meet interesting people, learn some valuable skills. What
is it about Kiwis and Aussies that you think make
for good crew on two Beyots.

Speaker 14 (44:59):
I really think you know, more I travel and those
who have travels. This Commonwealth thing's real, you know, it's
of the Brits. Same with the Canadians. You know, we
just had this work ethic and we don't to go
so too seriously. We're used to doing the hard yards,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (45:16):
And I think what makes and I think the real
factual part of it is is, you know, we get
so excited we're going to go and travel, and we're
gonna wherever it won't be right, like a lot of
ozes go to Whistler, you know, or London, and the
last thing we want is to pull the pin and
go home with a tuble to our legs. I think
I think our pride gets in the way, So forces

(45:36):
asked to stick it out when it's tough, and you know,
when you're in the US, you know, you get some
you know, some young guy from Kansas and it gets
a little too hard.

Speaker 14 (45:45):
One hundred bucks is flown over to his mum's house.

Speaker 9 (45:48):
Yeah, for us, we've got to stick it out because
you know, you know, our mates were shameless if we don't.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
That's a good that's that's not actually a side of
things I considered before. That's a very good point of it.
So how does it work when you when you're filming
the show and you're filming a series like like, I'm
sure people ask you this all the time, but how
much of what we're seeing on Telly is real four
fed income?

Speaker 14 (46:12):
Four feed income?

Speaker 9 (46:14):
Now, what people are going through at the time, you know,
is all their own thing happening. And you know, the
the environment is a lot more intense.

Speaker 14 (46:23):
Than a regular yacht season.

Speaker 9 (46:25):
Okay, we're filming what a season would be three or
four months, we're doing in six weeks right where you
know that where a lot of stress comes into the
job is turning the boat over. So when the guests leave,
turning it over, getting it ready for the next trip.
That's so much pressure. So when I run a yacht
off TV, I will try and give three or four
days between charters, and it's a it's a one week charter.

Speaker 14 (46:48):
We're here, We're doing nearly three charters a week for
six weeks. So so everything is real.

Speaker 9 (46:55):
It's just the environment is a lot more intense than
you would typically find in the industry.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah, and going back to the docu drama thing often,
I mean a thing that makes the show so so
fun and so compelling is the relationships between different members
of the crew and the various ways in which they
either work together or work against each other when problems
come up, and that kind of thing, and the personal
intimate relations between crew. So how how realistic is that stuff?

Speaker 15 (47:23):
Is it?

Speaker 9 (47:23):
You know?

Speaker 16 (47:24):
It is it?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Is it amplified? Do you think by that really strict schedule,
that really intense schedule, do you think the personal relationships
are kind of amplified as well?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Well?

Speaker 14 (47:36):
I think all of us after a long, hard day
at work one hund don't we.

Speaker 13 (47:44):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I mean, things go beyond the heart. I've seen the show,
don't worry.

Speaker 17 (47:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, so you know, no one is
gonna be you know, morning Radio. We need to make
sure that we are, you know, take sure of that.
But but no, mate, it's I was Crewe as well.

Speaker 14 (47:58):
You know, I'll work. I've worked on you know, little
board vessels between.

Speaker 9 (48:03):
Cans and towns all and you know, you know I
met some people on those cruises and they're only a
four day cruise, right, So you know what's interesting is
is you know you get these people who former relationship.

Speaker 14 (48:17):
From different walks of life that you would never normally.

Speaker 9 (48:19):
Be hanging out to it with each other and seeing
how they both change and grow together or you know.

Speaker 14 (48:28):
Yeah, so you know it's it's it happens. You know.

Speaker 9 (48:33):
You imagine like you're putting two people into a cabin
small at a prison cell, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
And putting them under a lot of pressure, a lot.

Speaker 14 (48:42):
Of pressure and different nationalities, right. I mean, you know
I was in Gee.

Speaker 9 (48:46):
We expeact the same language, but there's some things we
say to each other that might offend one or the
other that wouldn't really offend each other.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Right.

Speaker 18 (48:52):
Imagine imagine putting an American and resilient in there and
Argentinian in there, Scott, you know what I mean, Like
we're all speaking English but a different version of it,
and and that's where.

Speaker 9 (49:02):
A lot of the drama comes from, as people misunderstanding
each other. But you know, within that, mate, I'm a
huge advocate of mental health and I want to make
sure that people are on the right page. And if
that means that he cuddles at night time to be
ready for it the next day, well that's fine with me.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
So what, what's the craziest thing you've seen in a boat?
What's the craziest request you've ever had from a client?

Speaker 9 (49:26):
You know, you got the typical ones where a Russian
oligar who wants his caveat flown in. You know that
one's been overdone. But probably I was working as captain
or a mate. I think I was working as a
mate at the time, and there was Russian guests and
you know, we're on anchor, so the boat's laying let's
just say the boat's laying to the south, and the
guest is sitting on the on the back cushions of

(49:48):
the aft deck and he's looking left.

Speaker 14 (49:51):
And he's like, I want the sunset over there.

Speaker 9 (49:58):
So you just got the set, you know, and the
crew are like getting upset. The captain said moved the
boat and Reckon said, the captain says, carry make it happen.
I said, no worries, mate. So with all the toys
back in the boat, I've got the tender, and I
towed the stern of the boat and just brought it
around the other way, so now you could look over
the same shoulder and see the sunset.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
That's so good. You're so you're in the tender just
basically trying to pull the bow of the boat round.
So yeah, round right, But and then and then kind
of holding the position there the whole time went down.

Speaker 14 (50:28):
I something went down.

Speaker 17 (50:29):
I held it for twenty minutes and then it went
down and then to the edge off a flat back
around it.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Oh that's outstanding. Yeah, God, it must be, it must be.
It must be a hell of a life. Do you
do you miss try Land? Is there any part of
you that thinks, you know what, I've been doing this
a few years now. I've had some crazy experiences, but
maybe it's time to, you know, have a bit more
time on terra Firma.

Speaker 12 (50:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (50:51):
Yeah, So I filmed the show each year, and when
I'm not filming the show, I have my own yacht
manager company in Florida. So I formed that when I
was filming Blow Deck Adventure so I could be home.

Speaker 14 (51:02):
All my kids.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It's got
to have some balance, especially if you're going to be
working as intensely as you are.

Speaker 9 (51:10):
Yeah, I'll put I'll put my time in, you know,
I'll put in my twenty years so nothing you know,
and all the fruits in my labor.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, look, congratulations on the new series. Thank you so
much for giving us your time. We really appreciate it.
And good luck out there.

Speaker 14 (51:28):
Thanks mate. And is it I remember this?

Speaker 3 (51:30):
It Cura cura very good, so good. Yeah, it's good
effort for Methodicky Weekend as well. We appreciate it. Captain
Carey is one of the stars of Below Deck. If
you've never seen it, it's an experience. It's one of
those shows that people think they won't like, and they
go and brag to all of their friends that they're

(51:50):
way too sophisticated. Do we ever like a show like
Below Deck? It's kind of like a Real Housewives or
something in that sense, and then all of a sudden,
they watch five minutes of one episode and neck minute
they've watched eight seasons. It has that sort of effect
on people. We've got all the details for the new
season up on the News Talks. He'd be website before
eleven o'clock on News Talks dB. Facebook is changing some

(52:10):
of its login processes. They say it's to improve security
around people's accounts, so you should see fewer people complaining
that their Facebook account has been hacked. But we're going
to get our textport in to explain exactly what it's
going to mean for you if you're a Facebook user.
Very shortly. Right now, it's twenty past.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Ten, start your weekend off in style. Saturday mornings with
Jack Tame.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
And bpewer dot co do dot in seat for high
quality supplements, Use talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Twenty three minutes past ten on your Saturday morning, you're
with Jack Tame. Life is all about balance, so I
reckon if you've just finished up all ten seasons of
Below Deck, you'll be looking for something just to even
things out a little bit. Chris Shultz's in for screen
time this week, and he's chosen three documentaries because we
figure that if you've watched Below Deck, you're going to
need just a little bit of something there morning.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
Chris morning, Jake, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, yeah, very.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Well, thank you. Okay, three fantastic documentaries you can stream
or watch at home to talk us through this morning.
Let's begin with one that's on Netflix. Tell us about
train Wreek, the Astro World Tragedy.

Speaker 19 (53:15):
Yeah, well, we all all remember fire Fest, this ridiculous
festival from twenty seventeen that promised the world. It was
a festival in the Bahamas and all these influences got
sucked into spending all their money on going and I
ended up with no music, living in disaster tents and

(53:35):
seeing tea sandwiches. This is not that, this is Astro World.
This is a Travis Scott festival disaster from twenty twenty one.
I don't know if you remember that time, Jack. It
was a time when we weren't having a lot of
music festivals. The world had been in lockdown, and this
was one of the biggest going at that time that

(53:56):
was being streamed on Apple Music. I had it set
up in my lounge. We've just been through that five
month lockdown, and so I was like, even if it's
just on my laptop, I want to go to a
music chest. Well, I want to to experience a little
bit of that, and it turned into just a complete disaster.
This turned into a crowd crush where ten people died,

(54:18):
including a nine year old. Just so this is covering
that it's not funny at all. Like five Festival, it
was very easy to laugh at that event. When people die,
it's a very different experience. So this is quite harrowing
in places. They sort of pieced together exactly why it
turned into what it did, and they talked to, you know,

(54:40):
the security teams that were all hired like the night
before and then led in thousands of extra people because
the defencing wasn't good enough. They talked to a crowd
safety expert who sort of analyzes the stage set up.
They built a stage for thirty five thousand people, and
fifty thousand people fifty thousand tickets were sold, plus the

(55:03):
people who jumped the fences, and then they were all
coming on from one side, so everyone was getting crushed
on one side. So yeah, be very careful with this one.
I found it incredibly harrowing to watch. You know, they
talk to some of the victims' families. They're obviously still distraught.
They've got text messages from the organizers that show they

(55:24):
knew what was happening. And the footage that really got
to me actually was when Travis Scott saw this. They
never stopped the show, the whole show when he hits planned,
even when people were being pulled out unconscious, and they've
got this footage of him watching someone get pulled out
of the mosh pit unconscious, and he stops the show,
does the right thing, and then he just carries on.
He keeps the performance going, and this was happening all

(55:47):
over the venue.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
From memory, he sort of had a really strange response.
And I know that he's a bit of a controversial artist,
but he had a pretty out there response at the time.
I wouldn't say so it was totally cold, but it
wasn't the kind of caring response that you'd expect from
most regular human beings, know what I mean?

Speaker 19 (56:07):
Well, I think I think cold is actually a really
good description for how he behaved afterwards. I mean, he
was actually here in October last year and I went
to that show and it showed he hadn't really learnt
a lot. There were a lot of fights at that show.
People were actually pulled out of that much but unconscious
as well, So uh.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Not at not a fun event to attend, Chris, I.

Speaker 19 (56:29):
Didn't have I didn't have a good time at that, Jack,
that was.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
It does sound like it sounds like a really interesting documentary,
but one, like you say, you probably just want to
be careful about when you choose to watch it. It
sounds like some really sort of confronting details, isn't it.
But that's train Wreck the Astro World Tragedy. So that's
on Netflix. Also on Netflix, American man Hunt, Asama bin Laden.

Speaker 19 (56:49):
I picked this one just for you, Jack. I think
you're going to be very into this. This is the
third in the man Hunt series. They've also done the
Boston Marathon bomber, and they've done O Jack Simpson, I
think this is probably a harder one to tell, just
because of the time span and because of the secret
around it. Right, everyone remembers, you know, nine to eleven

(57:10):
and the ten year hunts that played out from George
Bush's presidency into a Barack Obama's and then you know,
we didn't know who had gone on these missions for
a long time at all was very secret. So the
trick here is they've got all this new footage, they've
got new details, they've got almost everyone who was there,

(57:31):
including some of the Seal Team that raided the house
and ended up killing some of them Laden. So this
actually plays out more like a Born movie, like a
like a spy thriller. It's a three part series full
of cliffhangers. It's full of details that I'd either forgotten
about or didn't know. It's it's very cleverly told. But

(57:54):
the one problem with it is it's very pro American,
as you'd expect. I guess it's almost like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's like watching Top Gun, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
It's very sort of whoah, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
I watched it. I watched it because I mean, I
find it interesting. And one thing I do find curious though, is,
you know, this is is a great example of why
you can so often disprove conspiracy theories. Whenever anyone says, oh,
you know, the deep state or the governments you know
done this or that, I always say, look at a

(58:26):
some of Bin Laden, right. He was he was taken
out eventually by Seal Team Sex. But the guy who
pulled the trigger, despite having signed an NDA, you know,
and despite being part of this elite group of soldiers
from you know this, this is supposedly elite military force.
Within about thirty six hours of killing some of bin Laden,

(58:47):
he'd already signed a book deal.

Speaker 7 (58:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I'm like, you know what, if there is a conspiracy theory,
they're probably not going to keep it secret. You know,
if you can't keep something like that secret and they're
going to be series made about it on Netflix, then
you know you can probably disprove that conspiracy.

Speaker 12 (59:01):
Well there's that.

Speaker 19 (59:02):
I think all of the people on this, they've got
all the CIA operators as well, and to them don't
have their face blur. There's one or two that do,
but I think they all do want their moment, and
so this is probably the biggest thing they ever got
to work on. And the network documentary gets from the
biggest audience, so you can see why they would do it.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Okay, so that's American man Hunt a Sam Bladon and
very quickly tell us about Underdogs on Disney Plus.

Speaker 19 (59:26):
Well, I thought this was a kid's film, you know,
it's a nature documentary. We've been looking for a replacement
for David Attenborough for a long time. Morgan Freeman had
a bit of a go I think Scarlet Johnson's done
one or two as well, and it hasn't really worked.
This is Ryan Reynolds narracing a nature documentary. But this
is unlike any nature documentary I've ever seen. It's rated m.

(59:49):
If you're wondering whether or not it's few, just watch
the first minutes where the blur guy, the guy who
has to blur out details normally of things like on
the reality shows you were mentioning at the start. There
has to do a lot of work for animals. So
this is about the stuff David Attenburron never showed you

(01:00:09):
the route, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then it's got Ryan
Reynolds and a racing over the top. The one interesting
thing is New Zealand features on this. They got footage
of the White time O Cave glowworms, apparently for the
first time. I don't know if that's true or not,
but the footage is incredible. But if you want an
example of the tone, he describes the golow worms as

(01:00:32):
making snot chandeliers.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
So whether that we're at yes, can imagine, can imagine
Ryan Reynolds doing that, probably can't imagine today that And
we're doing that, so it sounds like a bit of
Fun and something Different, So that's Underdogs that's on Disney
plus American man Hunt, Something Bin Laden and train Wreck
The Astro World Tragedy of the documentaries that are streaming
on Netflix and all the details for those will be

(01:00:56):
up on the newstalks 'DB website. Thanks so much, Chris,
we'll catch again soon. It's just gone ten thirty on
newstalks 'B.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Getting your weekend and started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on News Talks.

Speaker 20 (01:01:10):
B Whiti, White White White, Rangy whitey White.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
This song should come with a warning, right, It's gonna
be stuck in ahead all day. That's the Nine Stars
of Matai to the tune of the Makarena. Of course,
the stars really had to align for that one to
fit so well, So we just thought we would mix
things up a little bit this week on News Talks.
He'd be since it is a special and distinctly New
Zealand holiday, given it's Mataiki. Our music expert Stelle cliff

(01:01:55):
That has compiled a playlist of her top song picks
for the Maturiki weekend. This was an obvious contender. I
don't know if we put this first or last in
the playlist, because if you put it first, then it's
probably gonna be stuck on your head for the next
three songs, but if you put it last, it's going
to be stuck in your head for the next three days.
So I reckon early is the option for that one.
And so that was going to give us the full

(01:02:16):
low down and run us through her list before midday today.
Thank you so much for your feedback. I have had
so many messages this morning regarding traveling with kids, Jack.
I love it. I love traveling and sitting next to
people who are traveling with young children. I tried and
help them out wherever I can give the parents a
bit of a break. There's just something special about connecting
with young children. Susie, you flip me a note to say, Jack,

(01:02:37):
I was on a flight from Los Angeles to New Zealand.
The flight landed and then I noticed a mum with
two eight month old twins, just a couple of seats
ahead of us. We didn't even know they were on
the plane, they were so quiet. That's incredible, says Susie. Yeah, Suzie,
that does sound incredible. Tell you what the eight months
you're flirting with disaster? There eight month is probably okay,

(01:02:59):
but I reckon that the moment that children can move independently,
you're in trouble. So the moment they start crawling or
water walking and want to do nothing but crawl or walk,
apparently that is when you're in trouble. It's stressful enough
traveling with a baby, but when they can move, when
they're at the toddler stage, then things go to another
level entirely ninety two ninety two. If you want to
see this a message. This morning, before eleven o'clock, our

(01:03:21):
man in the garden Rude Climb Pass is counting down
to winter. When it officially ticks over this afternoon, I
think it's like two forty one pm or something like that.
Route will have the exact time for us, But anyway,
he's making sure the birds in his garden are getting
plenty of kai at this cold time of year, so
he's going to share a few tips with us. Twenty
four to eleven on News Dog, Z'DB putting.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic, asking breakfast some.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
Of the blockage in the public systems.

Speaker 21 (01:03:47):
Do things look like they're going past four o'clock in
the afternoon a procedures put off for another day. Doctor
Richard Sullivan is the chief Clinical Officer at Health New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
And football terms that does occur.

Speaker 21 (01:03:57):
We had the Health Minister and also said rightly wrongly
it's the way the unions have stitched this up.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
Is that true?

Speaker 22 (01:04:01):
Yes, So we have to line our schedules with our
employment agreements.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
Why are you doing operation so date at night?

Speaker 22 (01:04:07):
I'm with you.

Speaker 7 (01:04:08):
I had night though outside of emergency.

Speaker 21 (01:04:10):
I'm talking about regular scheduled elective operations an the twenty
four seven.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, so we don't run there's twenty four seven parts
of it. It's about employment green books. Also part of that,
it's about looking up jail workforce.

Speaker 21 (01:04:19):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk zb twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
To eleven Non News Talk ZEDBC. I said that below
Deck is one of those shows that you think, oh,
it's just too trashy, I'm never going to watch it,
and then you watch one episode and you completely hooked.
What did I say? It was like maths or like
the Real Housewives GWS. Flip me a note to say
Jack married at first sight? Pathetic? I said, I'm not
going to watch this time. Then I watched one episode
was absolutely hooked and I'm old, says g W. Oh,

(01:04:48):
it doesn't matter how old you want, GW. That's how
they design those shows. They are just ridiculously addictive. For
some reason. I think it's just I think your brain
is less active watching those shows than if you're sleeping.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
You know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
It's like absolute zombie mode if you're watching those shows.
a message, out expert is here with details on a
big change coming to one of the world's most popular
social media platforms. Meta is changing the way that you
log into your account. All Stenhouse is our text, but
he's got the details. Cal DePaul.

Speaker 23 (01:05:19):
Yeah, it's about changing Jack, I think, and more about
adding I would say, because that adding something called past
key support, And you're thinking, what on earth is a
past key? And there's a really good reason why you
should care about this, And it's because it is significantly
stronger and more secure than a password. Why right, It's

(01:05:40):
because if I try to explain to you a password,
what you do is you just basically over the internet,
when you go to a website, you just yell out
what you use the name and your password is right.
It doesn't check whether or not it is a legitimate
website a fake website.

Speaker 24 (01:05:55):
You just you're like, here's my.

Speaker 23 (01:05:56):
User name, here's my password. Try it, and it tries it,
and if it gets it right, you get in.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
It's wrong, you don't.

Speaker 23 (01:06:02):
The problem is is if you do go to like
a malicious website and you put your credentials and they
then have your real credentials, So that is a real problem.
Passwords can be stolen, they can be guessed, they can
be leaked. So what is better than that, Well, that's
this past key thing, right, and more and more websites
and apps are starting to roll out these past keys,
and for good reason, because it is way more sophisticated.

(01:06:25):
Why because think of it more like a handshake, and
you verified both parties before you actually hand over that information.
So a past key, instead of you giving the information,
it first gives you and your device some information that
says I am Facebook or I am the herold website,
for example, and your password manager then goes, okay, cool,

(01:06:48):
I know who you are. I've got a credential that
we've already exchanged in the past. When you signed up,
I'm going to give you an encrypted special version of
that back and hey Christo, that means that you can
log in. And it means that if anyone was to
get into your password manager and see this list of
gobble you go, they can do a whole lot with it.

(01:07:08):
And if you go to a fake website, your pass
key isn't going to actually activate because it's not the
real website and that special handshake hasn't taken place.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
And so do you have to memorize a code or
a password? You will with a regular password, no.

Speaker 23 (01:07:22):
So what you do so it relies on your device biometrics, right,
So that means that it gets stored on your device,
it gets stored in your password manager. So as long
as you can get into that thing, you're good. So
if it's your iPhone or you're Android, it might be
your face or your fingerprint. If it's a computer, it
may be a password. But once you're into that and

(01:07:43):
it can do the handshaky bit, you're good. You don't
have to remember because it's long. It's really long.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that makes a lot of sense. Actually,
I've got one I think that I use at the moment,
I think you neuws Yellen's got a pass key, and
I found it a little bit confusing at first, like
a distinguishing between a pass code and a pass key
or a password and a pass key. But that makes sense,
and anything obviously that makes our different accounts more secure
has got to be valuable. Hey, speaking of Facebook, metas A,

(01:08:09):
the company that owns Facebook is teaming up with Oakley,
the sunglasses designers, for a new collab.

Speaker 23 (01:08:17):
Yeah, they collabing on their smart glasses. They really want
these to be a thing.

Speaker 14 (01:08:21):
They are not going anywhere.

Speaker 23 (01:08:23):
They have put out five new styles with Oakley, and
I guess they try to appeal to more people with
some new designs and they've got some new flash specs
to jack. These glasses have a three K front facing camera,
so you can record video in three K. That's nuts.
It's got speakers that kind of sit over your ear

(01:08:44):
in a microphone built into it, so if you are
connected to your phone and it's got Internet, you can
listen to music without putting headphones and it just kind
of plays it above your ear. It's kind of cool. Actually,
you can do phone calls, you can even ask meta
AI questions but it is a bit spooky that it
records such high quality straight from the front of the camera.

Speaker 14 (01:09:05):
We leave you look.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
I don't know, especially when other people might not realize.

Speaker 23 (01:09:10):
Yeah, yeah, like you are you going to take your
Are you going to take your glasses off when you
go into a changing room or something?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
I hope so you know, yeah, well, oh yeah, I
hadn't even thought of that. Yeah, that's a very good point. Yeah,
I mean, it's a it's gonna be interesting, right because
a lot of the big, you know, a big big
tech companies sort of think that the smartphones have been
iterated to their endpoint or something equivalent to our end points.
The smartphones can't really improve in their current format as
they are, so they're looking for the next device, and

(01:09:38):
a lot of them are putting big bets on wearaballs
like glasses as being the kind of new smartphone. So
in ten years time, instead of texting away, will all
be using our eyes and voices to control things through
our hopleys. Well, we'll see hey, thanks so much, Paul,
catch you again soon our textbot Paul's Steenhouse sixteen to
eleven on news Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
He'd be a little bit of way to kick off
your weekends.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack tape and beep
you it on cot Z for high quality supplements use TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Thirteen two eleven, Non New stig zeb You were Jack
Tame and Master Somliot Cameron Douglas, who's just returned from
the Decanta World Wine Awards. These are the big Kahunas.
These are the big world Wine Awards in New Zealand. Unsurprisingly,
I suppose in a sense did relatively well. But here
to put it into context for us, Cameron has the
details of twenty six golds for New Zealand wines. How

(01:10:28):
do we shape up?

Speaker 23 (01:10:29):
Though?

Speaker 15 (01:10:30):
We shaped up remarkably well. And it really is a
feather in our cap to say that a New Zealand
pen and wy are topped the best in the world
in twenty twenty five. Craggie Range and you know, nipping
at its heels with another producer from down in central
Ottagaway called MacArthur Ridge, and they do a wine called

(01:10:52):
Southern Tour and those two wines both got platinum and
then one got upgraded to beston Show for Craigi Range Pan.
It's just remarkable and even our sparkling wines, you know,
number one family estate and Mida Mido bade it so well,
very very proud of our wine making companies in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Yeah, oh that's fantastic. Oh yeah, I mean I'm getting
upgraded to Best in Show for the Cragie range in particular.
Is an amazing achievements. Now you've got a wine pick
for us this weekend. So of celebrating the Matadiki weekend,
You've chosen a ticky single vineyard Pinogree. It's a twenty
twenty four vintage from North Canterbury for twenty three dollars.
So what do you like about this?

Speaker 15 (01:11:33):
Well, it's a super food friendly example. It's a crisp,
dry style of Peno Gree and it has the breen pear, apples, citrus,
a little bit of Quint's combination on the nose and
the palette. And what that does is it gives this
nice contrast to any fair that you might be preparing

(01:11:57):
for dinner. And I'm suggesting something like if you're in
the mood for something homey like that, whether you prepare
that yourself and the or you buy something it's great
with kermita and pork belly and if you're not into that,
then salmon, a little bit of lemon, and even vegetarians
can have something like a cashwut toasted tofu burger with

(01:12:21):
beetroot and cheese. You know, it really is a versatile,
great variety, and it sort.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Of offsets that richness that's what you're suggesting, right, because
those are quite rich foods generally.

Speaker 15 (01:12:31):
Yeah, the best food and wine pairings really come from
understanding contrasts that you're not trying to compete with food
intensity and richness and flavor that you're trying to contrast it.
And this is where that sicky pinogree comes in quite
nicely because it offers that core fruit contrast to richness
of food, and of course acidity and things like phanolics

(01:12:52):
and textures and mouth feel all have a role to play,
but it really is that fruit contrast that we're looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Yeah, Oh fantastic. Okay, So Cameron's back for us this
week a tiki single vinyd pen agree Are twenty twenty
four vintage from North Canterbury. Will have the details for
that on the News Talks EDB website. And glad that
the Decanted world Wide Awards were so successful, Cameron. I
know you play a big role there, but still good
to be home.

Speaker 15 (01:13:16):
It's always good to come home to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
A terra. Just love it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Yeah, yeah, oh very good. Hey, thank you so much.
We'll catch again very soon. Master Samlier Cameron Douglas with
his pick for this week. Now after eleven o'clock on Newstalks,
edbur clinical psychologist Doogle Sutherland has got his hands on
this fascinating new study he wants to share with us.
It's a meta analysis, so you know, one of those
studies that goes and looks at all sorts of different
studies over the years and compares their results, and it's

(01:13:42):
into the impacts of screen time on children. Now, in
drawing these study results to our attention, Google's been really
deliberate and pointing out that he's kind of on the fence.
He's not one of these people who automatically she's our
screen time is the worst thing ever. Oh my gosh,
the more time your kid's been on the computer, they're
going to have four eyes and all that kind of thing.
But he's going to run us through what are some

(01:14:03):
really really interesting and quite robust resort of the study.
When he joins us after eleven o'clock this morning. We're
in the garden. Next though it's nine to eleven. You're
a deactaim on newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
E'd be guarding with steel sharp one hundred bucks of
free accessories on selected chainsaws.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Now man in the gardener's rude climb passes counting down
to an important date this afternoon two forty one pm.
I was right, rude, that is when we are officially
in winter.

Speaker 12 (01:14:29):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 15 (01:14:30):
Do you always tell me the same thing?

Speaker 7 (01:14:31):
I love it?

Speaker 12 (01:14:33):
The only thing that changes the excell time of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yes, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. I
wonder what you're saying there. Yeah, yeah, no, that makes
that makes total sense. So what are you doing in
your garden to prepare.

Speaker 12 (01:14:46):
Well at the moment, I'm training birds, I'm getting I'm
feeding birds in our garden to get back to our
garden on a regular basis. That really is the idea.
And so what I'm doing, for instance, is getting a
lot of silver ice coming with in our garden with
light blocks and things like that, meatballs, necktar bottles and

(01:15:09):
cut open fruit that July sort of hangs up and
puts everywhere and in no time you have like sixty
or so of these birds coming on a regular basis
to your garden, and that is nice, but it also
means that they start to understand that this is the
place where you get food day, night, winter, summer. And
that's what it's about. Because I found out that these

(01:15:32):
little silver ice they are absolutely brilliant at going in
the summertime into my roses and into my fruit and
they basically catch all the insects that do damage.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Oh good, So okay, I thought you were going to
say they destroyed your roses or they ate your fruit,
but actually they're helping.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, they helping.

Speaker 12 (01:15:50):
They are natural pest controllers, these guys, mealy bugs and
scale insects, a fits, all these things, and that means
that I don't have to spray them or do anything
about them. It's yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
So here's my darima, because obviously I've had my I've
had my bird feeder out for some time now, and
I've basically just got a little neck to feeder. I
put some sugar water in the air. The silver riders
got absolutely crazy over it. They love it, love it.
But I reckon they are observably quite pudgy. And now,
of course I've had to go away for a couple
of weeks and so i'm a little bit I've been
trying to wean them off things quite so much. So

(01:16:25):
I've actually been been, you know, going down from it
every day filling to every two days to every three days,
just so they're not one hundred percent dependent on my
feed or is that an issue.

Speaker 12 (01:16:35):
It's not an issue. Check because they will know six
months later where you live. Ah, right, okay, So they
will always come and check, and once they found something
that is a really good food, they'll go and they
get the whole family across and it's simply as that.
So that's how that works. At the same time, of course,

(01:16:56):
I put missnets up for catching the birds with Eduary
and my twelve year old grandson and we banned them.
So yesterday we did something like twenty twenty five six
birds not individually banned, so we know who's yeah, yeah,
and we see those also. This is our way. I know,
we see the same birds back again in spring and

(01:17:19):
summer when we need them for their first control duties.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Oh how good, Hey, it's funny you're doing this at
this time of year. I'm probably telling you something you
already know, rue, but maybe I can teach you something
for a change. So do you know what the Mardi
word for silver ryers?

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Yeah, tohoh yeah, Toho and toho And there's just a
one letter difference with this time of year, Martadiki is
of course to to ho maudi the Mardi.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
New Yeah, and you get you're observing the toho at
Toho yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:17:51):
And the reason they are to toeh because they suddenly
arrived in eighteen thirty when they flew across from Australia.
This is a brand new import if you like, it's
only one hundred and sixty years old.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
It's amazing.

Speaker 9 (01:18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
We want to make them feel as welcome as possible.
Thank you sir.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
I I love having the bird feed around at this
time of year. We'll catch you every soon route climb
passed in the garden. It is just coming up to
the eleven o'clock news You were Jack Tame Saturday morning.

Speaker 25 (01:18:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
More into manawata mataiki that sort of means happy matariki
wiki injectame with you on News Talks dB this morning
through the midday. You know how every sporting code in
the world is in the fight of its life for
iballs at the moment. I've just come to the conclusion
that less is more and there is perhaps no better

(01:19:11):
example than that of that than the FIFA Club World Cup.
So if you haven't been following it, basically they get
all of these club teams that have won different confederations
from around the world. They all get together and have
a kind of World Cup style competition. There's heaps and
heaps of prize money on the line, but it really
has not engaged many football fans, and in a sense
it's kind of weird because you've got these really big teams,

(01:19:33):
the likes of the Boca Juniors from Argentina, Ben Ficer,
the likes of Bayern Munich, all competing with one another,
and yet I don't know, it just feels a bit
yeah meh, especially at the end of a long football
season for many of these clubs, fans aren't actually crying

(01:19:54):
out for more action, And you know, it's been a
bit of a tough watch, even as a New Zealand
football fan watching Auckland City FC getting absolutely thumped in
their first couple of games. They lost six nil to
Benfica ten nil in their first game of the tournament.
You know, in one sense, I think it's amazing for
the players, like how good to be able to be
an amateur player playing for a club like Auckland CITYFC
and go to big international event where there are tens

(01:20:16):
of millions of dollars on the line and get to
play against international superstars. But I think there is very
good reason why the stadiums in this tournament so far
have been so empty, And I reckon if you're looking
for good examples of sports where they've worked out that
actually less is more when it comes to the bottom line.
There's no better example than the NFL in the US,

(01:20:39):
Like they have a really restricted season, so it sort
of feels like every single game in that season is
a big occasion and they market it like it's a
massive occasion. I'm just not sure that going with the
more is more option, certainly for a game like football,
which already has dozens of games for top players every year,
is going to be a winning strategy anyway, let us
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Right now, though, it's time to catch up with clinical
psychologist Dourgle Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being Counderdogle.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
You order, Jack, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I'm very well, thank you, and really looking forward to
the study that you're going to share with us this morning.
You've got a bit of research that's a meta analysis,
so a study that has compared the results of more
than one hundred different studies around the world looking at
the effect of screen time on kids. So talk us
through it.

Speaker 16 (01:21:43):
Yeah, absolutely so, and yeah, the meta analyses are always
sort of I think, really useful because there's a summaries
of all the results and then often they're reanalyzing all
the statistics and all the data. So yeah, as you said,
this is a longitudinal study. So often with screen time,
you're sort of having a snapshot in time, which doesn't

(01:22:05):
really allow you to think about cause and effects. So
this is one hundred and seventeen studies, I think, which
total of about three hundred thousand children and looking at
the effects on their behavior and socializing when they're online,
and important to say, it's not they didn't look at

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social media. The kids here was zero to ten, so
they were looking at social media, so it doesn't really
add to that debate. But they found basically that there
was this sort of this reciprocal relationship. So kids who
had more social difficulties and more difficulties controlling their behavior

(01:22:49):
spent more time online or sorry on screens, and that
in its in turn made those behavior and social difficulties
worse for them.

Speaker 8 (01:23:03):
And that was particularly so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
For online gaming.

Speaker 16 (01:23:07):
So the more time, so kids who are kids who
are already struggling tended to spend more time online gaming,
and kids who are spending more time online gaming tended
to have that tended to contribute to make their social
and behavior of difficulties worse.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
So yeah, is that right? Is that a kind of causation?
Can you make that causational link there or is it
where some people say, yeah, it's kind of chicken in
the egg.

Speaker 16 (01:23:35):
Yeah, look no, no, So the way they've done the
data analysis and it's very it's a long paper of
massive amount of statistics which blow my mind at times.
But yes, they're really they're thinking that because they're looking
at a whole bunch of the longitudinal studies who are
all finding the same relationship that they think there is

(01:23:56):
a sort of a causal relationship, but affect it's both ways, right,
So it seems to be that rather one theory is
rather than well, kids with social and emotional dificulties, rather
than using something like talking to their parents or working
out those problems, they tend to use gaming.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
To work that out, or not even to work it out,
but they tend to.

Speaker 16 (01:24:18):
Go online and game, and that in turn makes their
social difficulties worse, possibly because they're not using other strategies
like talking to their parents or you know, or working
out the problem, so they're using it more, and by
using it more, it makes the problems worse, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Yeah, okay, are there any positives that come from increase
screen time or increase gaming time?

Speaker 16 (01:24:43):
Look, some gaming can be useful in terms of, you know,
that sense of competence that you're good at something you
know and winning and learning you know and learning different skills,
so it's not necessarily all bad. But yeah, the result
was worse for boys too. Worse boys and worst the

(01:25:07):
kids who are in that sort of six to ten
year age group rather than preschoolers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
And maybe because it's maybe because.

Speaker 16 (01:25:15):
Boys are gaming more, that might be that might be
a thing also too for those for those older kids,
and we're just talking to six to ten, maybe because
once they're at school they have less and less relationship
with their or less time with their parents, and maybe
a preschooler does, and then their spare time on online gaming,

(01:25:36):
then that is, you know, they're even less time with
their parents, so you kind of lose the protective factor
of your parents.

Speaker 7 (01:25:43):
So yeah, it's right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
So having the parents there is a real is a
positive essentially. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:25:49):
Yeah, and parents should take heart from the fact that
there seems to be only positive results or at least
no negative ones from parents jointly viewing things with their
kids on the screen. So that sort of co viewing
stuff is really as it seems to be quite helpful
and quite new useful for kids. So something in that

(01:26:10):
interaction with parents is really helpful. Also, the other thing
about the study was that they found no relationship with
violence of the violent video games. You know, people are
probably automatically thinking, oh, it's because the games of violence,
and you know, they're killing each other and that's why
they make bad social No, they didn't find anything about that.
So it didn't really matter the type of game, whether

(01:26:30):
it was a violent game or not a violent game,
still the same effect. So I wasn't to do with
that sort of a It seems to be more the
fact that you're using it instead of using other strategies
to work out your problems, if that makes.

Speaker 9 (01:26:41):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
See, we we have tried to be relatively controlled and
how much screen time you hate year old gets and
he doesn't have an iPad or a phone or anything
like that. However, we do let him play one game
on the iPad and it's sort of not built up
as a massive special treat but it is a little
bit treaty. But it's a game that teaches him to read.

(01:27:05):
It's called reading It. Yeah, yeah, And because he he
speaks Mardi and so he knows how to read Mardi,
but reading English is quite difficult because it turns out
we have things like silent k's that aren't easy when
you're learning to read. And it's really good for repetition
and that kind of thing. It's sort of gamifiers learning.
And I would have thought that something like that screen

(01:27:25):
time perspective is really is benefit, you know.

Speaker 16 (01:27:29):
Yeah, and also it sounds like you are aware of
the content of what he's watching, and I think that's
a yeah, crucial thing. And this outcome is that actually
really important for parents not only to monitor the amount
of screen time that their kids are having.

Speaker 13 (01:27:43):
But also what are they doing on it.

Speaker 16 (01:27:47):
And you know, you know, you're obviously familiar with what
your eight year old is doing, so you know, so
you know the content. And I think that's hugely important.
And look, my heart goes out to parents.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Now.

Speaker 16 (01:27:59):
You know, my oldest is twenty four, so he you know,
when he was growing up, there wasn't quite the same
pressure around screens, but now that they're everywhere and so easy,
and parents, it's a real struggle for parents. And and
but you know, we have to get used to it's great,
or we have to figure out how to deal with
it because they're not going anywhere. Then it doesn't look

(01:28:22):
like it's going to stop existing. So we've we better
figure out how to do it better.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Saying no, absolutely not living a sort of you know,
armiss existence probably isn't an option.

Speaker 17 (01:28:33):
I know.

Speaker 13 (01:28:34):
I don't think so either.

Speaker 16 (01:28:35):
I think we if we do that, we lose you know,
we lose the ability for kids to learn as they.

Speaker 8 (01:28:41):
Grow up and figure out how to do it.

Speaker 16 (01:28:43):
I think I think prohibition is probably I understand why
you want to band stuff. It makes there's a sort
of a common sense element, but actually I think it's
just putting your heads in the sand, really, and so
it's more I think important for parents to figure out
how they can do this with their kids rather than
just say Nope, you're not going to use it, because
I doubt if that's going to work in the long key.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
I love your work, Turgle, thank you so much, Really
appreciate that. And that is a fascinating outcome. I'm probably
a relatively predictable outcome if you'd ask me. But I
think nonetheless, to have a study, a meta study that
goes into all of these different analyzes and gets a
big picture is so useful Google subtland from Umbrella Wellbeing, Jack,
The Big World Cup, the FIFA Club World Cup just
seems like a new scheme to bring in more cash

(01:29:26):
for FIFA. They sold the broadcasting rights for a ridiculous money.
It's just a shame that they're not playing the amateur
players from Auckland CITYFC. Yeah, I mean, given the salaries
that some of the other club players will be earning,
the likes of Harry Kane, etc. Jack says Leon. In
twenty twenty four, the NFL dominated American TV viewing numbers.

(01:29:46):
The top ten rated shows were all American football games,
led by the Super Bowl, of course, So you're one
hundred percent right and that less is more and Robin
says Jack. I feel the same way about too much
sport when it comes to T twenty cricket. But I
guess that's the way of the world right now. I
just think that that sports risk their kind of long
term appeal if they completely drown us with too much competition.

(01:30:09):
Like scarcity is there is value in scarcity, right if
you can kind of develop a little bit of scarcity
make people want something that much more. I reckon there's
a long term value that perhaps isn't there when they're
constantly drowning in different competitions. But thank you for that.
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morning and before we turn our attention to the Galapagus Islands, Mike,
you've got tickets for this evening. How are you feeling
this winter morning in Christy?

Speaker 22 (01:31:57):
It's certainly winter Jack, Yes, I'm feeling confident that the
weather will favor us. That he does not favoring us,
but my heart will window day Jack. So the Crusaders
to win twenty eight to twenty five, it's okay. I
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
I feel like that's a that's yeah. I would go
with you. I would go with a heart over the
head slightly. But I don't know if the head necessarily
says the Crusaders aren't the favorites here. I mean, they've
obviously got an impeccable playoff record when it comes to
Super rugby, but you know, to Mighty Williams's back, that's
going to be in our favor The Chiefs. Yeah, they

(01:32:32):
folded a little bit against the Blues a couple of
weeks ago, and that Super Rugby semi so you know
there is or Super Rugby playoffs, so you know, but
my gosh, it's going to be a thrilling match tonight.
So in the last match in that stadium for Crusaders fans,
which I'm sure everyone will be pleased about regardless of
the result.

Speaker 22 (01:32:48):
Yeah, that's I went to the opening game back in
twenty twelve, never knowing it would take so long to
get a permanent stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
So you're like, we'll be here for two years, Max, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:32:59):
So it'll be great to be there for the big closer.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Okay, So last week, if anyone hasn't heard it, they
should go and see your article at news talks heb
co dot nz Ford slash travel. You told us all
about cruising around the Galapagus Islands, but this week you're
telling us about your experience staying on the islands themselves
on Santa Cruz Island. So what would you say is
best of the two options, a cruise or a land
based stay.

Speaker 22 (01:33:22):
Yeah, it's a great question, Jack, I'd say do both
mix and match it because with the cruise you get
that unplugged dreamscape experience, very wild. You know, very few
people with an island stay, you get a we dip
with the soul of living on the Galapagus. And there's
only thirty thousand people that live on those islands, so
it's very tightly controlled and you're just mixing with the locals,

(01:33:47):
eating that sabulous seafood they have. That's really special. I
would say definitely Santa Cruz Island because it's close to
the airport.

Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
There's a stack of.

Speaker 22 (01:33:57):
Excursions you can do on the island, and with my cruise,
which was with Weaver Expeditions, it was very easy to
transfer from the cruise for a land based stay, you know,
just very stressfully.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Yeah. Nice, Okay, that sounds like a really good fit.
And what is distinctive about the port town on Santa
Cruz Island Puentu Aora.

Speaker 22 (01:34:17):
It's really eye catching, a beautiful, colorful waterfront town. It's
got the tourist trappings, got accommodation to suit all budgets,
and it's all strung around the esplanade or the melli
con as they call it. Of course in the Galapagus,
but For all of the alluring creature comforts, what really
struck me Jack, nature still holds court. So you've got

(01:34:41):
marina guanas piling up on top of each other around
the harbor front sneezing out excess salt, which is quite
a clever little trick. And I loved watching the sea
lions just al the ebulging bodies up onto the beach.
They commandeer the park benches, they hijack the picnic tables
for a spot of sunbathing they clearly have right away,

(01:35:03):
and the locals love it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
In puet a Yorder, Yeah, oh, that's fantastic. Times of
the Charles Darwin Research Station.

Speaker 12 (01:35:11):
Right, yeah, it is.

Speaker 22 (01:35:13):
So if you want to first hand primer on the
theory of evolution, this is the place to go. It's
like this living lab, the biggest bio research center in
the island. It's ok to sixty five years of these
hundreds of scientists who work there, and they play such
a critical conservation role. They monitor invasive species like the
ghastly vampire fly, which I did have a couple of

(01:35:36):
clothes encounters with. These things do suck the blood out
of you, big flight. I was also structureck by the
similarities to New Zealand. New Zealand's predator control missions. They've
had all manner of animals introduced on the Galapagus that
went faral, like goats and pigs and dogs and cats.

(01:35:58):
So they're working really hard to send all of those
animals packing too.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Yeah, right, Okay. How successful is the tortoise breeding program?

Speaker 22 (01:36:08):
It is a water It is globally acclaimed because it's
just been so prodigious. To date, over seven thousand giant
tortoises have been released from that station successfully rewild across
the islands, and one of their most famous breeders was
a tortoise called Diego. He signed nine hundred offspring Jack

(01:36:34):
being retired too well indead, maybe not as wealthy, but
he reached the age of about one hundred and five,
I believe, before he was allowed to retire to Espaniola,
so he's still kicking about. I walked all around the
breeding enclosures, and it's so called because you'll see all
the babies in the nursery and then you'll see the

(01:36:55):
adults canoogling right in front of you. So I think
at last count the Galapicus tortoise population is now at
about twenty five thousand, so it has been saved from
extern right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Oh that's so good. So, speaking of existential problems for
Canny big As Island tortoises, did Charles Darwin eat tortoise meat?

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:37:18):
Yes, Most historical accounts believed Darwin and his crowl and
HMS Bigel consumed about thirty tortoises, and in fact there
is a reference in one of Darwin's diaries how he
notes that the flesh had a particularly delicious buttery taste
and texture. So shockingly, it's estimated mariners ate about two

(01:37:42):
hundred thousand giant tortoises which walk into the edge of extinction. Yeah,
it would have typically taken According to my guide, six
men would have been needed to carry a giant tortoise
onto a ship, and they had to tie it up
with rope and attach it to poles. It was a
hell of an effort. Darwin also took some juvenile tortoises

(01:38:02):
home alive to England, and one of them was believed
to be how and a lot of Kiwis will have
seen Harriet. She lived out her last twenty years at
Australia Zoo and died at the age of one hundred
and seventy five.

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
Oh my gosh, that's amazing, aid, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
I think, what does this tortoise live through? Yeah, that's amazing. Okay,
So beyond the research station, where is the sort of
best place for FaceTime with the giant tortoises.

Speaker 22 (01:38:30):
My runaway highlight from the Galapagos was going up to
the highlands of Santa Cruz and there's some a number
of nature reserves up in the highlands joining the national Park.
And this is where you will be transfected by the
size of these giants. Because it's the highlands, they've got
a lot more to wet, a lot more foliage. And

(01:38:51):
when I went into this nature reserve called Rancho Promissias,
it was like entering Jurassic Park. These guys were supersized,
fully grown giant tortoises and from a distance they look
like colossal boulders with the dark domes just scattered them
in the meadow, and then you just walk with them gently.

(01:39:13):
It's just the most extraordinary experience.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
And what impressed you most about them they.

Speaker 22 (01:39:19):
Are mammoth, but's so mellow, or two hundred and fifty
kilograms of them and when one of these big daddy
tortoises stretched out his wizened old face in front of me,
it became readily apparent what inspired Steven Spielberg's creation of
et that's the faith they had such limited agility. Every

(01:39:44):
movement Jack seems exhaustingly slow and deliberate. But what really
blew my hair back about these ancient creatures. The giant
Galapicus tortoise can survive, but up to a year without
food or water. Isn't that remarkable?

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Gosh, that's amazing, isn't it. It is like it's like
time affects them differently in every seat. Say, yeah, it's
like that. Whatever our kind of measure of time is,
they're on a different kind of scale altogether. Yeah, what
a remarkable experience. Make you know how envs I am?
But that does sound amazing, So thank you, and hey,

(01:40:23):
good luck tonight. It was speaking of envy. My goodness.
I will be thinking of you at seven oh five,
when the Crusaders hopefully record their upteenth Super Rugby title.
Mike Yardley is our travel correspondent. For all of his
tips on walking with the giants on Santa Cruz Island,
you can find his piece on the Newstalks. He'd be
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counting down to the Super Rugby Final twenty twenty five,

(01:41:42):
Jason Pine is going to be a live for us
in my hometown. The three Christ Church is at rock
Pool this afternoon as Crusaders fans and Chiefs fans descend
on the Garden City morning a Piney, Hello there, Jack, Yes,
I can tell you more Chiefs fans around.

Speaker 26 (01:41:57):
I have to say them Crusaders fans, although although Crusaders
fans do live here so they don't necessarily have to
come out, so they were as Chiefs fans who are
visiting are coming out for breakfast and a bit of
a w or around. Beautiful day in the Garden City
that won't surprise you are not going to get particularly warm.
But I think conditions once we get to kick off
at seven o'clock and I will be close to perfect.
Look what a game, Jack, I mean if you didn't

(01:42:18):
have any skin of it, like I don't. I don't
have a I don't have any allegiance to either of
these sites. I honestly can't pick it. I think it's
a coin flip.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Yeah, it feels like the sort of game that we're
going to wait for the result and then all the
arm cheeks that's going to come out and justify it.
Afterwards you're going to be saying, you know, Williams made
all the difference or are they going to be like, oh, well,
you know, the Chiefs were stronger all season, and sure
there's a wee blip in the playoffs, but they were
you know, they beat the Crusaders by sixteen points last time.
The we're here, you know it's going to be so
hard to pick. But yeah, I mean, there are just

(01:42:48):
so many things to be excited about. I mean, I'm
thrilled that Tomighty Williams is back, although like a little
I'd be lying if I said I felt like one
hundred percent confidence in his medical status. Not that I
know anything. I've got no inside running there, but I just,
you know, have been nervous about his fitness heading into
the game, and you know he's been such a force.

Speaker 26 (01:43:09):
I guess, yeah, I guess, yeah, Yeah, I mean, I
guess if he doesn't hold up, then George Bauer is
not a bad guy comes off the bench, is he?

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
He's not to last?

Speaker 16 (01:43:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Correct?

Speaker 26 (01:43:20):
Yeah, And he's played every game George Bauer in a
accommodation of starting roles and coming off the bench.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
So they've got that up there sleeve.

Speaker 26 (01:43:27):
But yeah, I think having I mean, they often say,
don't they during a regular season if a guy's injured,
if it was a final head play, I think that's
what the situation is here.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
With to Mighty Williams. This is a final.

Speaker 26 (01:43:38):
He's probably not one hundred, but he wants to play.
They want him to play, so he's going to play.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Oh, very good. Yeah, so what can we expect on
the show this afternoon.

Speaker 26 (01:43:46):
It's pretty much all super rugby wall to wall, really
get inside both camps. We got Shawn Stevenson on the show,
Out of the Chiefs, Noah Hotham, out of the Crusaders,
Wallace Satiti's on the show. Crusaders Legend, Ruben Thorn is
going to have a chat to us and then after
two but of a super rugby CEO, super panel in
many ways Jack Jack Mesley, super Rugby Pacific seat and

(01:44:07):
to the two sides CEOs Colin Mansbridge and Simon Graffer.
So the three of them going to pop in for
a chat after two o'clock. Yes, So really it's all
about the game. And I don't know how this has
been done, but we have two tickets to the game
to give away. Now I thought it was completely sold out.
Apparently not. I've got the last two tickets. We can't
get people to christ Church, but if they're in the

(01:44:29):
region and can get to the game, then we've got
a couple of tickets to give away.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
You know how we do that after midday?

Speaker 16 (01:44:33):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Super, looking forward to that all right, Hey, thanks funny,
look forward to the show. Checking behind them the find
folk at the rock Paul say hello, oh very good. Yes, well,
and they might have seen me once or twice over
the years that it had no further comment on that,
of course. Jason Vine will be with us right after
the twelve o'clock news counting down to the Super Rugby
Final with Weekend Sport. Before midday, we've got that muthodicky

(01:44:54):
playlist your book picks for this weekend. If you're looking
for something good to read right now, it's twenty two
to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Said nineteen to twelve on News Talks, he'd be if
you've surprised yourself this weekend, a long weekend, an extra
day's reading, You've got through your book faster than expected.
No stress. Katherine Raine's our book reviewer, is here with
two read recommendations for this weekend. Hey Catherine, morning Jack.
Let's kick things off this Martataku with the River is

(01:45:27):
waiting by Wally Lamb.

Speaker 27 (01:45:29):
So this is set in the spring of twenty seventeen
and Corey Labettt is the father of twins, and he's
recently lost his job and he's responsible for the toddlers
while his wife, Emily is at work, and the marriage
to Emily's pretty strained, and the two young two year
old twins that they have, Neco and Mazie, and this
whole acting as a house husband and child winder since

(01:45:51):
he lost his job has been this really significant blow
to his ego. And along with this, he has this
growing secret addiction to prescription anxiety and drugs and alcohol
just to kind of get him through the day. And
then this horrific and heartbreaking tray achas and it rips
everyone's world apart, and Krby's responsible for that loss, and
he's ends up being sentenced to prison. And in this story,

(01:46:14):
you never really get to hear Emily's point of view.
It's all told from Corby's and it's a book about
Corby and his story, and he's left to navigate the
wreckage and the guilt and the shame of what's happened,
and the prison system and life behind bars and the
bullying that takes place and the treatment and mental health
issues and those floors, and Corby barely survives on the inside,

(01:46:36):
you know, but he also experiences some small acts of
kindness and grace and he forms some good relationships with
his liberian and a salmate and a young man who
wants a role model, and he kind of draw strength
from those. And Wially Lamb, the author has this incredible
ability to create characters that stay with you a long
time after you've finished the story. And he has the
ability to show all the people that are flawed and

(01:46:58):
all of their layer the characters, the good, the bad,
and the complex, and this brilliant storytelling. And The River
Waiting is beautiful and a sad story about how long
life can turn.

Speaker 28 (01:47:07):
In an absolute.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Instance, You're right, okay, sounds really interesting. So The River
Is Waiting by Wally Lamb. You've also read The Griffin
Sister's Greatest Hits by Jennifer Wyner.

Speaker 27 (01:47:19):
So this captures the early two thousands are pop and
rock scene really well. The headlines, the body shaming, the
fame that's both really intoxicating and incredibly destructive. And the
story is told across two timelines. So in the past
you meet Zoe who's very charming and determined to determine
and she's just got enough talent to join the high

(01:47:40):
school band and dreaming of the spotlight and stardom and
his sister. Cassie, on the other hand, would prefer to
be out of the spotlight. Her anxiety often gets the
better of her. But she has this musical talent that
demands attention, and Zoe kind of manipulates her in convincing
her to sing in front of this music industry action
and they discovered and then you get this rise and

(01:48:02):
epic fall of the Griffin sisters over a year, and
then the present time line, which is about twenty years later.
You meet Cherry, who Zoe's daughter, and she feels that
something's always been missing for her life, and she loves
music that she faces this opposition from her mother, who
just wants to shut it down at every turn, just
tells her that it's not a great place to be.

Speaker 28 (01:48:22):
Doesn't want to do that.

Speaker 27 (01:48:23):
And now that she's eighteen, she's determined to enter an
audition for a big musical discovery reality show and she
needs a mental so she goes to find her aunt, Cassie,
and so you get all of this. All of the
women in the book have this real determination, but in
different ways, and their actions have consequences in the reality
of those actions from a long time ago, and it

(01:48:44):
has some heavier themes like women and music, that obsession,
toxic obsession with beauty, body image, and how those pressures
have fractured their lives and the people around them, and
all three have to face up to the challenges of
their choices. Yeah, it's a really interesting told story and
it really does capture that early two thousands kind of
culture that was going on in those headlines.

Speaker 28 (01:49:04):
So you feel like you're part of that world.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Nice, Okay, great little options there for us, Thanks Catherine.
So the first book was The River Is Waiting by
Wally Lamb. That one is The Griffins Sister's Greatest Hits
by Jennifer Winer. All of the details for those will
be on the news Talks EDB website. It's called it
a twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure dot co
dot nz for high quality supplements used talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Is Georgia lines. Oh she has such an incredible voice,
doesn't she. The song is Wonderful Life and as one
of the songs that features on our Maturikey playlist put
together by music reviewer Stelle Clifford, who thought she'd do
things a little bit differently for the long weekend.

Speaker 24 (01:50:03):
Hey Stelle, oh koda, I think, and what a great
to celebrate some of our incredible muso's right and alor
and seriously, the list could have gone on for quite
some time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Oh yeah, I mean typically you didn't want to do
like a Nature's best, but slightly. I'm nothing against nature's beast.
We all appreciate a bit of nature's beast, unless we're
like forty five minutes into for a customer service representative
to join us. But yeah, this is a this is
a kind of it's quite a modern playlist.

Speaker 28 (01:50:31):
I think.

Speaker 24 (01:50:32):
So I've tried to tried to give you some new stuff.
A Wonderful Life is one of the new singles from
Georgia Lines.

Speaker 28 (01:50:37):
She actually did this.

Speaker 24 (01:50:38):
Really stellar gig, you know, the one that gives your
skin the tingles. It's Civic Theater in Auckland. And actually
some of the time they didn't like the stage. They
just lit up the sky and the Civic because it
is all stars in shooting stars, the real spine tingling
magic stuff. And I know this because I watched everybody
else's Instagram videos about it.

Speaker 28 (01:50:56):
I wasn't there so absolute far.

Speaker 24 (01:51:00):
I know I heard they recorded it or they videoed it,
so I think eventually it'll come out for us to
be able to watch.

Speaker 28 (01:51:05):
Yeah, I love that song.

Speaker 24 (01:51:06):
I think it actually really suits Mathaiki because it's about
facing the fact that there are tough things that happen
to us in life, but there's still so much to
be grateful for and celebrate and again, so that's really.

Speaker 28 (01:51:18):
You know, on the pathline of what Matariki is.

Speaker 24 (01:51:21):
I know you also had a little bit of a
dance off earlier when you got to hear the makarena Matariqui.

Speaker 28 (01:51:27):
The name stars.

Speaker 24 (01:51:29):
If there was ever a way to be able to
remember all the star cluster names, why wha white born nagi.
You can just be in my household that has been
sung to me every day for two weeks while my
small human prepped for her Martariki concerts. So yeah, yeah,
but clever, isn't it like her new in nineties people
we loved so much would now be teaching our kids
how to remember the star clusters.

Speaker 28 (01:51:50):
So I'm I'm all here for there. I think that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
You've got a little bit nuance in there. Version of
melourn I reckon. That's my favorite Marli language song.

Speaker 24 (01:52:02):
I think it's one of those songs that's I mean,
it's a it's an additional folks song.

Speaker 28 (01:52:07):
I have sung it at Farewells. I have sung it, Yeah,
I've sung it around the campfire, and I think it's.

Speaker 24 (01:52:13):
One of those songs that is easy for everybody to
learn in a great way to get your mouth around
some of the valves of tribal Mardi, which is beautiful
and Anika's version is really great for that pulion a.

Speaker 28 (01:52:26):
Yeah, if you haven't gone the yet, it's.

Speaker 24 (01:52:28):
About cleansing and renewing again quite fitting for matadi ki.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
But by the wind, yeah, cleaned by the by the rain. Yeah,
there's beautiful. It's so poetic and just find such a
moving song.

Speaker 28 (01:52:45):
It rolls off the tongue and you're right, it is.

Speaker 24 (01:52:47):
Look at when I've sung it at Fairwells, it's quite
an emotional moment and it's incredible because it's one of
those songs that covers generations of people and everyone sort
of has their own relationship with it. So I think, yeah,
a great one to put in there. Of course, we
had to celebrate, like to really change it up you've
got a beautiful song like that, and then you're going
to go full drum brace based electronica with and so

(01:53:09):
he was the winner of the Tape Music Prize for
his album. And so he calls himself Dark Mardi Bass.
So it's definitely got that. It's got that electronica sound,
but then also those traditional Marty elements.

Speaker 28 (01:53:22):
It's full immersion to the el Marty. And he wanted
who are you?

Speaker 24 (01:53:28):
Yeah, and you know, like, isn't that something we all
question ourselves about at times in our lives? And he
wanted to make an album in music that was very
you know, it's definitely an alter sound and you're using
our language. So when you put that on a global stage,
you're like, there's no confusing where you've come from, right,
And I think that's just such an amazing thing.

Speaker 28 (01:53:49):
I also didn't realize that he is.

Speaker 24 (01:53:51):
One of the co heads at Suwanana or Wipe Up,
but he's like one of the tutors there. So this
was kind of like I think his he didn't think
people knew, you know, like two Aliss is like the
doctor of language over the Yeah. But then he wins
the Tape Music Prize and like Hey, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Yeah, you've just got You've got a really lovely Max say.
It's like fast stuff. There's low stuff. There's there are
you know, artists, household names, there are artists. Yeah, there's
stuff the kids. I'm glad that you put the matake,
the one that sounds like the nine stars of matad Key.
I'm glad that you didn't put that at near the end.

(01:54:33):
So we still have what five songs afterwards before, you know,
to try and cleanse our palettes.

Speaker 28 (01:54:38):
Before the airworm of You're here.

Speaker 24 (01:54:42):
The Loopy Tunes song is, which has a kid's song,
but I think is still really beautiful for family. Is here,
which happens to be mine or my daughter's favorite star
because it's the wishing star. So if you wanted to
make a wish throughout Matariki weekends, and.

Speaker 28 (01:54:54):
That's the star you're looking for. He you found the cluster,
although you're in you're in Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
I found the cluster before I found the cluster, before,
before I headed off. I found the cluster. I was
actually lucky enough to yeah yeah, yeah, lucky enough to
be in Tahuna this week Queenstown.

Speaker 24 (01:55:07):
So you guys, a big broad sky to see that.
We keep a bit of a bit of cloud across Auckland.
But anyway, we'll get there. The song that you're going
to play very soon is the brand new drop for Masaiki.

Speaker 28 (01:55:19):
This is part of why are to Anthems?

Speaker 24 (01:55:21):
What an amazing collaboration Kaylee Bell, Troy Kingy and Rob Ruha.
So all of the music that those guys represent is
in Matari ki hung Nui. It's about bringing people together
and again that's what it's about, but just it's just
the most catchy, ridiculous, clever, fun song. It makes me

(01:55:41):
feel good and I yeah, as well as being an
absolute earworm which is going to replace him.

Speaker 28 (01:55:47):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Okay, I'm going to cut you off right now so
that we can save time to play that because that
sounds like a bit of me as well. Thank you
so much, Estelle. The full playlist the ten tracks that
Estelle has chosen for us all will be on the
news talks. He'd be website back in a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
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Jack Day and vpure dot codon.

Speaker 5 (01:56:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
I'd be right. Oh, they are kicking us out. Thank
you so much for tuning in this morning. I love
our Saturday mornings together. My wonderful producer Libby deserves a
big thanks for doing all the tough stuff. Jason Pine
live from the three counting down to the Super Rugby
Final with weekend sport very shortly go the Crusaders. We're
going to leave you this morning with one of the

(01:56:30):
songs from our music reviewers Matadokey playlist. This is Mataaky
hunga Nui. See you next week, Sam.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
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