Full Show Podcast: 26 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
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ATV chard and you seal a good morning. Welcome to

(00:45):
News Talks eDV. I'm Jack Tame with you through to
midday today. I reckon it's a bit of a dream job.
It's definitely in a category of dream jobs. The job
is to follow the best cyclists in the world. You're
traveling about two hundred and fifty days a year, which
left well, let's be honest, probably probably isn't quite as
glamorous as it sounds. And for the last twenty one years,

(01:09):
this guy has followed the Tour de France. He's a
chief mechanic for one of the top teams. His name
is Craig Geta and he's a key weep. He's involved
with our Olympic team as well. He's a selector. He
goes to all of the Olympics and once upon a
time he was Lance Armstrong's chief mechanic in the Tour
de France. He certainly got some stories there. Craig Geta
is going to be with us as our feature interview

(01:30):
right after ten o'clock this morning. I'm gonna have to
try and calm down so I don't fanboy too much.
And if you are looking to fuel yourself up for
a big bike ride this weekend, we have a recipe
to share with you before ten o'clock that I'm sure
is greater than the sum of its parts. And that's
saying something, because its parts are spectacular. A Tamarillo custed

(01:52):
Cake recipe. Yes, yes, yes, those three words Tamarillo, custed cake,
Tamarillo yes, custed yes cake. Yes. Please. We'll share that
recipe with you very shortly. Right now. It is eight
minutes past nine, Jack Team. In the end, it was
only a matter of time, right. It took a day
or two maybe of virality for the CEO Court cheating

(02:16):
in the now truly infamous Coldplay kiss cam to publicly
announce his departure from his company, and frankly, I'm surprised
it took much longer for the woman Court canoodling in
his arms to do the same thing. She was, after all,
the chief people officer, the head of HR for the
same company. And on top of what I can only

(02:37):
imagine is a personal calamity, the incident strikes me as
a fairly grave professional conflict of interest. Indeed, the company
that employed them both has now announced that she's gone too. Now,
I'm not gonna pretend to be all high and mighty
with this, right, I certainly have not taken any high

(03:00):
moral ground or moral high ground. But like however, many
millions or tens of millions, or hundreds of millions or
billions of people around the world, I found myself titillated
by the video. It's just so dumb, It's so clumsy, right,
so perfect for a viral sensation. All that being said,

(03:23):
in the last few days, as the stories have continued,
I've also found myself thinking a bit more about what
the whole thing says about us more generally. Right, as
consumers and sharers of information on the internet, lolling, liking, sharing,

(03:43):
there's no way for us to collectively manage a degree
of proportionality when it comes to viral videos, and when
it comes to a viral screw up, you know what
I mean, Like, they did the deed, and they can
suffer the consequences. You might argue, sure, But at the
same time, these people didn't commit a crime. They've been dishonest. Absolutely,

(04:08):
They've been unprofessional. Absolutely, But while I don't want to
be too much of a downer, I can only imagine
that right now it feels like the price they have
each paid is the complete and absolute destruction of their
entire lives. Okay, And even if you think that in
this instance they deserve the consequences, whatever they might be,

(04:31):
what's to say that you'll feel the same way the
next time someone goes viral. My point is just that
there's no controlling the wildfire, and once it's shared and
shared and shared and shared again, the scale of a
viral humiliation compounds faster than at any point in human history.
And you know what about their families? Would you want

(04:55):
to find out your husband or partner or parent was cheating?
Most of us might say yes, painful as it might be,
that truth in that situation is for the best. But
why if it meant a fifth of the world's population
found out at the same time. What if it meant
every student at your kid's school knew what had happened
and would bring it up for the next twenty years,

(05:18):
you might feel slightly differently. Again, I'm not being miserable
and saying it wasn't funny. It was funny, Okay. My
point is that once a moment like this hits the Internet,
there's just no controlling it. There's like a little sliver
of this whole saga that has felt a little bit

(05:39):
black mirror to me. It's funny. A few years ago
I read that amazing book by John Ronson, So You've
been Publicly Shamed It's called and it had some extraordinary
examples of people who had gone viral for saying or
doing really dumb, offensive things. But it also articulated something primal,
something a bit ugly, a hunger in us as a

(06:02):
species to kind of hunt as a pack, and the
kind of collective glee we take in casting someone aside
and making an example of them in public. There is
no policy, There is no force on earth that can
stop a viral moment. It just has to burn out, right,

(06:24):
there's no firebreak, there's no finger in the dike. That
video will have been viewed by eyeballs in every country
and on every continent. But while it's said a lot
about human nature, arguably it's spread around the world has
said just as much, are you not entertained? Jack Team

(06:47):
ninety two is our text number if you want to
get in touch this morning Jacket News Talks, he'db dot
code on NZ. All that being said, I did see
a headline somewhere who knows if this is true, And
this is kind of the point of it, all right,
that the CEO at the center of it was thinking
of suing Coldplay. If I can offer him any advice,
do not sue Coldplay.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Do not.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think you'll find that the only salve you're gonna
get at this situation is just to let the whole
thing burn out and blow over. Do not breathe oxygen
into the fire. If you want to send us a
message this morning, don't forget that standard text message costs apply.
In a couple of minutes, we're going to get a
Sporto's thoughts on the Black Fern squad, that incredible omission

(07:29):
of Ruby to me and her remarkable response to that
news as well. Next up, though, Kevin Memnon will kick
us off for our Saturday together. It's fourteen minutes past nine.
I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning, and this is news
Dog's ed Vy.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Dogs.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
V seventeen minutes past nine on New Dogs eDV. Get
a Jack voyeuristic titillation. We have developed a voracious appetite
for the ugly and of nane, says Anne. Great words,
and yeah, I can't disagree with that at all, Neil,
says Jack. Let he who is without sincast the first stone.

(08:11):
A Hypocrites abound. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there are
plenty of hypocrites who have been delighting in it all.
I just I think what's amazing about the information age
is whereas in the past, you know, people of course
had you know, incidents in public in which they were shamed,
I mean, sometimes quite deliberately, sometimes as a purposeful punishment,
you know, being locked in the old stocks and pelted

(08:33):
with fruit and that kind of thing. But the thing
about virality, the thing about the spread on the Internet,
is that there's just there's nothing to do. Once it
kicks off, it's gone. And whereas you might think, oh,
they kind of deserve it this time, what's to say
that the next time there's a viral moment where someone
perhaps you think doesn't deserve to have their names splashed

(08:54):
around the world, you know, experiences the same consequences ninety
two ninety two. If you want to send us a
message this morning, eighteen past nine, and Kevin Milne is
the lea us today to Kevin ha, you got a jack.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
I remember a time in TV when if you're going
out to film somewhere that had a large crowd, And
I'm thinking of race meetings where we used to go
out and mainly you'd film the big race, but you
would also get shots of crowds. You would never film

(09:27):
people close enough so that they were recognizably at the meeting.
And I wonder what's happened to those sort of laws
you mentioned suing the producers of the show, or you
know about coldplay or whoever it is. Yeah, I wonder
whether there's any law about intrusion of that sort, because

(09:53):
I definitely remember on live show, on live coverage of
race meetings, for example, the cameras would stick very wide
on the crowds for the very reason that somebody might
be in that shot that shouldn't be in the shot.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't know. I mean, I think in New Zealand
we have like public space, you know, filming rules. I mean,
you know in that video, having seen it a few
times now, I mean were they were smiling and all
happy one moment when they they had a problem with
the video until the camera was turned on them, you know,
So yeah, yeah, but I also wonder if the you know,
the nature of us all having smartphones and cameras in

(10:32):
our pockets, powerful cameras in our pockets, has meant that actually,
you know, just generally privacy when it comes to videos
isn't what it once was. That the kind of societal
expectations there have changed. But there's a very good point. Yeah,
and that's all.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
It is only just a bit of fun. And it's
sort of like a competition, isn't it really? You get
it at all the rugby matches, Yeah, couples together. But
it's it's a slightly it's a slightly dangerous practice.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, it's been a kind of fascinating anthropological exercise, this
whole thing. Anyway, Kevin, you're saddened by the closing of
a retailer that you have never actually been inside.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, we're becoming anewer, don't we. To the announcements of
Kiwi Enterprises closing down for reasons none other than the
trading environment's got too tough. But the businesses that are
now closing down seem to me increasingly those you'd have
backed as winners rather than losers. Restaurants for example, and
some of them. I'm sadden to hear that Madikan ceramics

(11:32):
firm Morrison James is calling it quits. We had three
of their huge outlaw pots and a bird bath with
Morrison James striking glaze all over them. I love their
ceramics because they haven't got made in China or made
in Vietnam on them. They're really strongly kiwi. I love
them because there are no two that are exactly the same.

(11:54):
You might buy a pair that from a distance seems
the same, but they're not. They're made by artists, not machines.
Then there's the classy Morrison James metal stamp on them.
If you've got one, you'll know what I'm talking about,
proudly stating that they're from Matacana, New Zealand, which is
actually somewhere I've never been to. We buy online or

(12:15):
via our local furniture short store. It's been a phenomenal experience. Well,
it would be to walk through the Morrison James Northland factory.
We've only wandered through their website and that's uplifting enough,
and I recommend people do that. But once their current
supplies of clay used up, it will be all over. Well,

(12:37):
they've left themselves a very slight out. I heard the
owners saying that if a generous investor were to decide
they wanted to be part of a wonderful operation and
a wonderful bet of the country that happily keep its
colorful heart beating. I wholeheartedly recommend that if you like
color in your garden, at least by something online. Now

(12:58):
to remember Morrison James, as we found with the stunning
bird bath that I bought London for Christmas. Their work
arives at your doors, superbly packed. Who knows if enough
of us invest in something special for around the house,
the unique Morrison James ceramics of Mattakana might live on.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:18):
It is.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
It is really sad news, isn't it, Because they make
it incredible, Like the really lean into the color, don't they.
There's a real kind of splendor to their color of
their designs. Yeah, And to be honest, I'm a bit
surprised because I feel like ceramics are having a moment,
don't we feel like that, don't I sort of feel
like pottery in the last cup five years and ceramics
and you know, it's kind of going through a little

(13:41):
little boom period. And it's curious that that a Kiwi firm,
you know, is perhaps finding it pretty tricky at the moment.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
You don't have to buy a great, big pot like
we have. They sell gorgeous jugs and right, but every
color you can think of and they're superb.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, this is very good. Okay, that's a good little
gift suggestion too. And like you said, yeah, I suppose
to get the running the risk of becoming collectors additions
very soon. Yeah all right, Kevin. Yeah, it is a shame.
And you've never been to Matakana.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Never been to Madkana.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Love to go there?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Oh yeah, you have to put it on the list.
It's it's very fancy these days. That's where all of
the well to do is like to head up there
for the weekend, go and check out the market, you know.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, we can go on tours of the factory. I
think the Mileston James that here. I am thinking that
Madkanna is the tainly little place that's got a big,
huge ceramics sactory, but I'm certain it's got loads of
other great things as well.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Plenty of attractions in Matacana. So the next time, yeah,
around the nine, you have to make sure you carve
out an afternoon and go and have a bit of
a look. Kevin. Hey, thank you for that, and thanks
for drawing it to our attention. If there are any
generous benefactors listening right now who'd like to invest, Like
I say, ceramics are having a bit of a moment. Hey,
thanks for your text this morning. Heaps of messages regarding

(14:56):
the Coldplay couple. Jack I disagreed. The damage is done.
The CEO should sue. He should ramp up the reader
at keep the beast rolling and then write a book.
At least make a buck out of the whole experience,
says Shane Jack. Things will always go viral on social media.
What I found is concerning with the Coldplay cam is
how the news around the world and the mainstream news
media have weighed in and amplified it. Isn't that where

(15:18):
the problem lies, says Mark. I think it all is
kind of speaking to the same phenomenon. Mark. I mean
I logged and I was on the BBC BBC yesterday
and it was like, you know, like story number one, Gaza,
story number two, Donald Trump and the head of the
Federal Reserve having a tiff, story number three or four,

(15:38):
the Coldplay scam, And I was like, oh, okay, we're
really yeah, even the BBC's really covering the gamut of
stories here. And look, I mean, I can't criticize anyone here.
I am talking about the whole thing, But I just
think it speaks to the kind of you know, like
we wouldn't be talking about it unless it was a
perfectly encapsulate you know, unless that five second video didn't
tell a much richer story, right, And there's something about

(16:00):
human nature where we just want to laugh and share
and laugh and share and laugh and share. The Internet
allows us through that so quickly, but I can imagine
that the you know, the impacts are pretty significant. Ninety
two ninety two. If you want to send us a
text message this morning, it's twenty five past nine our
sportos in next.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Twenty eight past nine on News Talks EDB. Before ten o'clock,
We're going to share with you film reviewers movie picks
for the week, both of them related to the word four.
We've got the fantastic four and four letters of love.
She's gonna tell us about this week, so I'm looking
forward to that very shortly. Right now, though, our Sporto
is in and sev The Black Ferns squad for the

(16:46):
Rugby World Cup has been named, and I suppose the
big talking point is one big name that's missing.

Speaker 8 (16:52):
Yeah, Ruby Tooey Jack, good morning. Not in the World
Cup squad. I don't think it's a major, major shock.
She's been in and out of the Black Foods the
last couple of years.

Speaker 9 (17:01):
You know.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
She took time off after that last World Cup at
home where she really was the face of the of
the campaign and face of the tournament and needed time away.
She's dabbled in sevens and other bits and pieces globally,
so yes, on her day is still a fantastic player,

(17:21):
but clearly not fitting into what the Black Friends want
to do or how they want to play the game.
So yeah, disappointing for her, but in this team there's
a heck of a lot of experience. Porsche Woodman Wickcliffe
is back. Great to see her there others like Rue
hay Demand and other names that stood out in the

(17:43):
last World Cup of there as well, Jack with a
good sprinkling of youth as well. Look, it is going
to be very very hard for this team to beat England.
I'll have to get through England at some stage if
they want to win or defend the title successfully. So yeah,
it's a big, big challenge in England. They've got Spain,
Japan and Ireland in the in the Paul Games, I'll
make it through to the quarters definitely, but then yeah,

(18:04):
then it's game on the knockout stages.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Try Nations Series kicks off tonight New Zealand South
Africa eleven PM.

Speaker 8 (18:14):
I think in that final. Yeah, it's been a good
it's been a good start year. It's t twenty and
years a roll of the dice sometimes and they seem
to play a million of these every year and now,
but under a new coach, I think the black Caps
and I've used some new faces as well, having to
fill in for for more experienced names. I think it's
been a good start under Rob Walter, the new coach.

(18:37):
He said at the time when he was named he'd
bringing each to this team and looks as though that's
that's happening, which is good for New Zealand cricket. So yeah,
they go into the game. I think tonight his favorites
to win their first title if you like, or tournament
under this new coach.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
We're speaking to Kiwi Craig Geta after ten looking for
chief mechanic for Jakolula. One of the teams had a
massive win a couple of days ago in one of
the stages. So he's spent more than twenty years following
the Tour de France and this year's tour is about
to wrap up and there is this one cyclist who
has just completely dominated the entire thing. Chade Pagaca, once

(19:16):
again the defending champion of the Tour of France. What
have you made of this year's competition.

Speaker 8 (19:22):
It's been It's been great. I sort of drifted in
and out for a year or two, Jack, but sort
of come back to it this year. Look that the
scenery is always stunning, isn't it ridiculous?

Speaker 10 (19:35):
The scenery, photography, the work is just out of this world.
But they've been doing it like they've been racing. They
raced up the other day. It was a goldeneyele what
is it?

Speaker 11 (19:43):
That?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
What? What Bond movie is it? Where they had the
you know, the runway in.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
The Alps something like that, and so.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
They raced up to that ridiculous airfield. You know, it's
one of these like they call them, like Alta you
know Alta Ports or whatever. These these airfields are up
and the Pyrenees are up in the up in the
French Alps, and so you know they're racing up there
and then they're going past a castle or two every day.
It's just crazy.

Speaker 8 (20:06):
It's almost got the stage there where the cycling as
secondary on the coverage. But the Slovenian champ is out
of this world.

Speaker 12 (20:19):
You know.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
In the day, you'd always say, jeseus, you can understand
why these guys need drugs to make it up hills
like that mountains, but I think it's maybe we're naive,
but apparently it's pretty clean these days. But the physical
and mental bashing they give themselves every day, it is

(20:40):
just out of this world, isn't it. You look at
some of those mountain stage I think it was one yesterday.
You go down to your local gym today and put
your spin bike or your exercycle on maximum and you
try and ride that for a couple of hours, not
just five to ten minutes, but maybe a couple of hour.
It's just it must be excruciating. And then they wake
up the next day and do it all over again.

(21:02):
I'm interested to hear more in depth from Craig. I
think he's been involved with Olympic Games, common weal someone. Yeah, yeah,
he's been around a long time and very well thought of,
and there's a lot of kiwi's and various teams and
the background in the tour. I think of Greg Henderson
who was a fantastic cyclers himself. He's been involved on

(21:22):
and off for a number of years. So always ki
We's involved and if not key We's writing.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, no spectacular. Thanks so much, appreciate your time our
Sporto Andrews Saville there, Jack, thanks to you and Kevin
for the story this morning on Morrison James living in
the area in Matakana. Like many, we're so very sad
with the news of their closing. They're an iconic business
who have amazing pottery and ceramics. We hope someone comes
along and helps them remain open for tourists and locals alike,

(21:48):
says Allison, and regarding the Coldplay kscam, the only people
responsible for the mess they are another two people in
the video. Stop blaming the Internet producers, etc. I totally
agree they are entirely responsible. All I'm saying is, once
it goes viral, ain't no stopping it. And if you
think they deserve all of the consequences they're experiencing, now,

(22:10):
that's totally fine, But next time you might not and
there's still no way to stop it. Ninety ninety two.
If you want to send its message, twenty six to
ten your film picks. Next, this is Umi Zuma. They've

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got new music out of This song is called Cross
My Heart and Hope to Die. I like that baseline,
but don't boom bum bada, don't boom boom, but I'm
boom right oh, twenty three minutes to ten on your
Saturday morning, don't forget befourteen o'clock. We've got that amazing
sounding recipe a Tamarillo custard cake. I feel like any
cake that has custard in it, like it is just
you you just you know what custard is like a

(23:09):
in a cake context. It just it just means moist doesn't.
It's gotta be careful how many times you say that?
But yeah, that sounds amazing. So we're gonna share that
with you very shortly. Right now, they're time to get
your film picks for this weekend. Francesca rud Can our
movie reviewers here this morning. Good morning, Good morning Jack.
Two films to work through. Let's start off with Fantastic

(23:30):
four First Steps.

Speaker 13 (23:34):
Wow, folks, we all know the story. Four brave astronauts
head up into space and come back forever changed. Please
welcome with Fantastic four.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right, Oh, mister Fantastic and Visible Woman, Human Torch and
the Thing faced their most daunting challenge yet that they do.

Speaker 14 (23:58):
So this is Fantastic four The First Steps. And everyone
is really loving this and I don't know what I'm missing.

Speaker 11 (24:04):
I thought of it this film.

Speaker 14 (24:07):
I walked out and thinking, gosh, I think I might
have been a bit tough on Superman. I said Superman
was good, and I said it was really fun. But actually,
maybe in contrast, if it hasn't from going now, it
was better than I thought, and it really was good fun. Look,
this is a bit of a restart to this franchise
from Marvel that the Fantastic Falls never really fired. They
do a really good introduction though, to these you know,

(24:30):
Marvel's first superhero team.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
You heard it.

Speaker 14 (24:32):
They're really simply they sort of whipped through the background.
We had this group of people that we went on
a space space mission. Something happened to them in space,
and they returned with altered DNA which gives them superpowers.
They now hold the world in check, who we all
look to to, you know, keep the world in order
and things. The art direction in this film was absolutely fantastic.

(24:54):
They go completely overboard trying to They absolutely nailed.

Speaker 15 (24:58):
This retro sixties sci.

Speaker 14 (25:01):
Fi look and I think that this gives this particular
film its own, this a frenchise, its own look, and
it feels really fresh and it's very cool. But another
part of me thought it sort of overwhelmed things a
little bit. The cast is really good. You've got Pedro
Pascal playing Red Richard's Vanessa Kirby as a storm. They're
a couple. They have wonderful chemistry. Joseph Quinn is playing

(25:24):
Johnny's Storm, and so this group of people come together
really well. They're like a family, the four of them.
Ebon Loss back rack. He also plays Ben Grimm. You
got this group of four, they're like a family. You've
got the two parents, and you've got these other two
adults who are kind of like the kids and the family,
so that the dynamics really good. Well, it just kind

(25:45):
of washed over me a little bit. In this particular film,
they're saving the Earth from a space god and who
looks like sort of some big sort of Mongolian sort
of warrior from many centuries ago. But I really kind
of I didn't really kind of relate to him. He
just wants to eat and gobble up. He was all

(26:05):
powerful and has this never ending hunger and he just
wants to eat planets and Earth is next. And he says,
he said, look, I won't need Earth. I won't destroy
the planet if you give me your firstborn. And this
is what he says to Read and Sue, and they
of course go, we don't really want to give you
our baby, and off we go trying to find a solution.

Speaker 11 (26:26):
It's fun.

Speaker 14 (26:26):
It's fun in the sense that it's very much a comic.
Like you don't try and make the maths work or
the science work.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
It's very silly.

Speaker 14 (26:35):
You know, you've got a birth scene and no gravity
on a flight deck of a ship or.

Speaker 11 (26:38):
Just cracked me out.

Speaker 14 (26:40):
But for all that, it's sort of comically and a
bit ridiculous. There were no laughs, Like, no one in
the theater was laughing out loud. I think there was
one point where there was a bit of a collective laugh.
So I just kind of went, you had all this,
you had, everything is there, but there just wasn't some
humid there. I didn't kind of it didn't grab me.
I kind of walked out, going, ah, okay, here we
go again. But look it's getting really good reviews, so

(27:02):
don't trust me.

Speaker 15 (27:03):
Go along.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
We always trust you are kidding getting no, that's good. Thanks,
We appreciate your honesty.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
This is good.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
This is this is why we why we value your
input here. So that's fantastic for first steps at showing
in cinemas now, also showing at the movies Four Letters
of Love.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
When I was seventeen, God spoke to my father for
the first time.

Speaker 11 (27:26):
I'll go to the Western Pune, presuming das.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
In this world is as ping this Charles necklace.

Speaker 11 (27:34):
You have to meet belief. We'll stay as long as.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
It takes.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I was some big names here. P s Brosnan, you
just heard and Helen and Bottom Carter.

Speaker 14 (27:44):
Yes, and I spoke to Helen and bonb Carter last
week on the show. You can go and have a
listen to that interview. She's absolutely delightful talking about this film.
Narl Williams, of course, is the famous and very loved
Irish author. He has written the owner adapt his own
adaptation to this book.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
This was his debut book.

Speaker 11 (27:59):
I think I know.

Speaker 14 (28:00):
It's about twenty five years old, very hard to adapt.
A lot of people have tried to adapt it over
the years and haven't been able to. Asheit wrote the screenplay,
and look, if you are cynical, very practical, don't necessarily
believe in love at first sight and things like that,
don't go to this film because it is It is
wildly romantic jazz, and it's filled with gorgeous sort of

(28:22):
Irish sort of sensibilities.

Speaker 11 (28:24):
It's whimsical.

Speaker 14 (28:24):
It does require a belief in signs and destiny and
that the universe works in mysterious ways. Lovely cast, as
you mentioned, Gabriel Berners also in here, but a really
strong cast of younger talent as well, who hold their
own it's you know, my mum said to me, I
don't think I can go to this film because I

(28:45):
cried all the way through.

Speaker 9 (28:46):
Reading the book.

Speaker 15 (28:47):
And actually I found the film.

Speaker 14 (28:49):
As much as there's there's tragedy and abandonment of a
child and all sorts of deep difficult issues, I actually
found the film quite loving and warm and lovely moments
of humor and quite you know, hopeful. So if you're
thinking like that, you're goh, gosh, I love that, but
it was don't don't think, you know, don't let that

(29:12):
put you off going. Yeah, I just the Island of
Widgets shot the West. The West Islands of the Western
Islands of Ireland are absolutely stunning, and in New Zealand
we tend to think we've got some pretty stunning locations.
But they were a bit like another character in a book.
This is like the perfect Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, that sounds as long.

Speaker 14 (29:32):
As you're after something wildly romantic and at little.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Bit therapy, maybe a little bit not too syrapy, just
just not you just can't.

Speaker 11 (29:42):
Yeah, I believe in that.

Speaker 14 (29:43):
Don't be too cynical.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't be too It's not the first time.

Speaker 15 (29:47):
Get me out of here.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, okay, now this sounds good. All right, thank you.
So there's Four Letters of Love starring Helen A. Bottom
Carta and Pierce Brosna. And yes you can go and
hear that interview with Helen and bottom Carta at News Talks.
He'd be dot co dot en z fantastic. Four First
Steps was Francesca's first film. There. Both of those are
showing at the movies at the moment, And if you
don't feel like going to the movies, just saying nah,

(30:09):
I'm done this weekend. I just want to veg out
on the couch. After ten o'clock this morning, we've got
our screen time segment. We have it every Saturday morning
on News Talks dB, where we recommend three shows to
watch or stream at home. So they're often just sometimes
the big blockbusters, sometimes the new series of really popular shows.
But we're going to recommend three fantastic series for you

(30:31):
after ten o'clock this morning. Right now. It is called
a ten a Tamarillo custard cake recipe for.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
You next Saturday morning with Jack Ta keeping the conversation
going through the weekend.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
US Talks EDB thirteen to ten our News Talks 'b
our cook NICKI Works has gone above and beyond this
week a Tamarillo custard cake. The moment I saw those words, Nikki,
I just I could feel my I felt a physical
reaction in my stomach, saliva glands go from zero catridge.

Speaker 16 (31:01):
You know you didn't immediately think bank loan that she
would have had to take out.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yes, the tall.

Speaker 16 (31:09):
A little bit early in the season, so they are
still a little bit pricey, but they're worth it, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well for a treat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,
I think I think we bought four when.

Speaker 16 (31:20):
I think boat and got six.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Okay, wow, yeah, wow. It's been a good year. Yeah right.

Speaker 16 (31:26):
And look, so I wasn't this week going to do
a tamorilla chuttney because they're just we're not We've got
a lot of these at the moment. But this custard cake,
this is that miracle chocolate custard cake that you mix
it all up together and then yes, you know, those
layers kind of separate, And I love that in cooking
where you're making the recipe and every time I make this,

(31:48):
and I've made it so many times, I'll think, I
don't think this is going to work, but then it does,
and so you get this cake which is sort of
custard on the bottom and slight cakiness on the top,
which is great and it's really I've made this with
raspberries when they're in season, with rhubarb when they're in season,
and tamar allo, I think has got to be my
face it because tamari los as. You know, if you

(32:09):
don't love the sort of a stringent tartness of them,
once you warm them through or cook them, they take
on something different, don't they. Oh I love the flavor.
All right, Look here we go. I've made this in
a tin that's about twenty by twenty. It's a sort
of square caked and so something approximating that line it
well with baking paper oven goes on one night ninety

(32:30):
and it's an odd sort of a cake. So first
of all, we heat some milk, which is one and
a half cups of milk, and we just want to
heat that sort of lukewarm with the butter in it,
which is ninety grams of butter. The butter will just
melt as that and melt into that milk, and then
separate the eggs into two mixing bowls, and I'm using
three large eggs here. Beat the egg yolks with two

(32:52):
thirds of a cup of sugar until really pale and light,
and add into those I'm a sort of generous half
cup of flour. What does that mean? Just mean somebody
too pedantic about it, But err on the slightly more
than half a cup than the less. Mix that in
with your sugar and your egg yolks. Slowly add in
the warm milk. At that stage. It probably won't curdle

(33:12):
the eggs because it's only kind of warm the milk.
But you know, beating everything until it's really nicely mixed together,
and then whip up your egg whites until they're quite stiff,
and then fold these into the batter. And look, I
know sometimes when people try this recipe they go, well,
it's quite hard to fold that in because what you're
folding into is quite a thin batter, and so it

(33:34):
always feels a little bit weird. But that's fine. But
do it a third at a time until they really
fold it in and the batter is quite thin. But
don't fear about that. Pour that batter in your baking
to scatter over some chopped tamarillo I've used about one
and a half one to one and a half cups
of scooped and chopped tamarillo. I can't really tell you

(33:54):
how many that is because tamara very much in size,
but you know, I mean, and they want a little
sort of bite sized chunks. They'll sort of sink as
the cake bakes and sort of end up in the
custard layer. Bake it for about fifty to sixty minutes,
and the top will be quite brown and should be
sort of quite puffy, a little bit like a cake,
and you sort of want to bring it up when

(34:15):
that cake, when that cake layer on top is sort
of not really wabbling.

Speaker 14 (34:20):
Lip it cool.

Speaker 16 (34:21):
You can you can eat it hot, but I really
think let it cool till it's sort of warm even
from the fridge.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Is really nice, Jack, How kind of it sort of
a kind of fudgy quality? How would you not really fudge?

Speaker 15 (34:36):
You know?

Speaker 16 (34:36):
The bottom is literally like custard. Top is like a
very airy sort of a sponge. It's I mean, in
the old days, they call this cake the impossible cake,
I think because it feels as though this is not
really going to work, and I he hesitate to really
call it a cake because.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
More like a yeah, like a custard type like a
dessert or something, or like a pudding. It's like a pudding.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Well look, or it's a breakfast yeah you know.

Speaker 16 (35:06):
I mean, as you can imagine something tart with.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Custard, big doll of a cream on this.

Speaker 16 (35:12):
Oh it's so good.

Speaker 11 (35:13):
It's really really delicious.

Speaker 16 (35:14):
The tamorillos are quite juicy in it, but don't let
that put you off. It's just it's really good. I
recommend that all of our listeners make this today and
send us in photos, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, okay, or maybe if we have to a couple
of weeks and then we can no, you know, just
just if the price is a barrier right now, Well
they are.

Speaker 16 (35:34):
And that's the thing. But you're gonna hunt around and
as I say, this is a real treat and you know,
you could put least tamorillos in it if you like,
because you could get away with.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Street Oh yeah this because they're they're a big flavor.

Speaker 16 (35:43):
They're a big tense flavor.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
That sounds amazing. Okay, Yeah, I think this could definitely
be an option in our house this weekend. Thank you
very much for that. By the way our text here
just conject. Can you please tell Nikki we made her
spice Moroccan lampires and they were just incredible. So there
you go.

Speaker 16 (35:57):
Oh they're great. Yeah, well, you know that would normally
fill me with joy, other than the fact that two
days ago I did judge those pie awards that we talk. Yeah,
and there were five thousand entrants. I reckon. I gave
it a good try to try for a lot of them.
I was so full afterwards, I thought, I never want
to see another pie.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Another pie. Yeah, it's going to be a pie for
a few years.

Speaker 16 (36:18):
I'm one of those bacond Neque pies.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Funny how that happens. Yeah, hey, thank you so much.
We will make sure that recipe for the Nicky's Tamarillo
custard cake is up. On the News Talks, he'd be website.
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So the Tour de France is rapidly approaching its end.
It's been going for the last or two and a
half weeks or so, and I mean it is a
it is a visual spectacular for anyone who likes cycling
and anyone who fancies a bit of a road trip

(37:31):
through France. But as the race runs to its end
after ten o'clock, right after the news, we're going to
catch up with Kiwi mechanic Craig Geeta's I say he's
a mechanic, I mean he's the chief mechanic for one
of the Tour de France teams, which means it's his
responsibility to get the bikes absolutely perfectly ready every single day.
And it's really complex because you've got all your riders.

(37:52):
They all have different requirements. Thro are all different heights
in that kind of thing, so they need their seats
at different levels. They all have different gear ratios, all
that kind of thing. You have different bikes for different stages.
The whole thing is very complex. And then once he's
done it all, every single day he has to get
in the car and follow the riders. And that's what
I want to know about. I want to know about
the experience driving a car in the Tour de France

(38:12):
when you got those crazy crowds on either side of
the road lurching out in front of the vehicles every day.
I'm gonna ask Craig about that experience. It strikes me
as incredibly stressful, to be perfectly honest. But looking forward
to catching up with him as well as that. If
you're looking for a great show to watch or stream
from the couch this weekend, our screen time segment has
three fantastic shows to recommend. It is almost ten o'clock,

(38:35):
which means it's almost news time. I'm Jack Tame. It's
Saturday morning, and this is news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Craking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack.

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Speaker 11 (39:00):
I want to ride, man, want to ride my Bysiga.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I want to ride.

Speaker 13 (39:10):
My bike, I want to ride my busy.

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I want to ride. You see producer that he just
couldn't resist it. She could and resist it more than
you were. Jactaim on News Storks Advent. As the Tour
de France reaches its final couple of leagues, I have
been captivated by the drama, the grueling climbs, the triumphant
podium finishes as they play out. But someone with an

(39:35):
up close personal access to the side of professional cycling
that we don't get to see all the time on
our screens is Kiwi bike mechanic Craig Geeta. Craig has
more than twenty years of experience working on the Tour
de France. He's worked with some of cycling's greatest riders',
biggest names and most successful teams over the years. He's
now the head mechanic for his current pro team, Australian

(39:56):
outfit team Jacob Alula, and he's been on the ground,
in the car and no doubt on the bike throughout
the prestigious race Craig joins us from France. Keilder, Good morning,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I want to start with a really simple question, Craig,
what do you do?

Speaker 17 (40:14):
I'm a mechanic for JCO Wallula professional cycling team.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Right and for people who aren't following the tour, they
are one of the teams that's contesting the Tour de
France this year. And what does a mechanic for a
team and the Tour de France have to do?

Speaker 17 (40:32):
Basically, we look after all the car as we have.
I think we have about nine team cars here. We
have a bus and a truck. We take care of those.
We wash the bikes every day. Then we prepare them
all and make sure that every all the gear ratios
are correct for the particular stage that they're doing. Next

(40:53):
that the bikes are all working are in proper condition. Yeah,
we and then we follow the race during the day
and then afterwards we do a transfer to the next
hotel and then we do the whole process over again.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Gosh, rinse and repeat, and for a Grand Tour as well.
It's a pretty exhausting process. I'm going to ask you about,
you know, how things kind of change over the course
of an event like the Tour de France in a
few minutes. But how does how does a person go
about getting a job like this? How do you become
a mechanic in the Tour de France.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
I think I became one by accident.

Speaker 17 (41:28):
I used to be a mechanic and my parents' bike
chop in Rot and I was a keen cyclist back then,
and I came across to Europe to watch, to watch
all the big races and race a little bit myself,
and I just happened to be in the right spot
at the moment where a smaller professional team needed a

(41:50):
mechanic and they couldn't find anybody else, and they asked
if I could go along and help them, so I did,
and they were quite happy with my work, and they
kept asking and then I eventually, after a couple of months,
became full time with them, and it just went from there.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's amazing a So how many bikes would a single
team use, and across the course of the Tour de France.

Speaker 17 (42:17):
We would use we have three road racing bikes per rider.
Let's eight riders, and we're down to seven riders. Unfortunately,
we had one crash out and then they have two
time troll bikes for the time trolls, a race one
and a spare one, which is identical all their bikes.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
So there's five bikes per rider.

Speaker 17 (42:40):
Which are just for that rider, and they're all in
exactly the same measurement, so they're identical bikes, so if
the rider needs he can get on any one of
them at any moment and just continue as normal.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, it's obscene really when you actually break it down
and you do the numbers. So you've got forty bikes
across eight riders for an event like the Tour de France.
Not only do you have to know your way around
a bike, not only do you have to be pretty
mechanically minded, you must be you must have to be
incredibly detail oriented Craig.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Yeah, you have to be.

Speaker 17 (43:12):
Everything's measured by millimeters here, so you have to be
as precise as as possible. And we're here with full mechanics,
so sometimes if we're having difficulties with something, we can
rely on our on our teammates to double check or
look over it to see that you're correct or something

(43:32):
needs adjusting slightly more. But yeah, but no, it's everything.
It's a bit like Formula one but on push bikes.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, So how would the bikes that your cyclists are
riding and racing at the moment, how would they compare
to the bike that I'm riding to work every day.

Speaker 17 (43:51):
Our bikes, well, they're supposed to be the top of
the line bikes. Obviously, we're sponsored by Giant Bicycles, which
are very good bikes, and then kate X is a
part of the Giant family, so they supply the handlebars, wheels, saddles.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Things like that. And then we have Shimanos. So our bikes.

Speaker 17 (44:17):
At the top of the line that we can possibly
get and they're actually really really good bikes.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, yes, you hope. So if you got the world's
best cyclists racing them through the Pyrenees, So, what do
you reckon that you know that plebs that average punters
watching the Tour de France, What do you reckon that
they don't properly understand about the athleticism of the cyclists
and the tour.

Speaker 17 (44:44):
Well, for the cyclist, that's it's a whole different world.
It's a twenty four hour job. But you can't just
go to work and ride your bike on a Friday
and then finish work and go to the pub or
down to McDonald's or anything there.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
There.

Speaker 17 (45:01):
Everything they do recovery is super important. They do their training,
They then come back and get the massage to make
sure that all the muscles in the body are as
supple as possible and everything's working correctly.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
And then their.

Speaker 17 (45:16):
Diets are so heavily not restricted, but you know, they
weigh their food.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
They weigh there.

Speaker 17 (45:24):
They know exactly how many calories they're taking in and
how many calories they need to have taken in to
be good for the following days.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, and it is the following days. This is the
thing that I find amazing. It's not just that you
have a massive performance over one hundred and seventy k's
up over the Pyrenees or the Alps or something like that,
but then you've got to do it again the next day,
and the day after that and the day after that.
So as someone who moved who grew up around a
bike shop, who moved to Europe and was doing a
bit of racing, is obviously a pretty enthusiastic cyclist. Like,

(45:55):
how what do you think when you look at them
racing at their peak? You know, when you're seeing the
best guys duking it out on top of you know,
Von Tue or something like that. What do you think.

Speaker 17 (46:08):
To start with when you're actually here and you're you're
you're working around them and you see them all in that,
you get a bit of a shock to start with,
because they're all the most of them, you know, the
GC contenders, the general classification guys who are leading the race.
They're tiny. You look at them and you just think
they're they're young. They are young kids. You know, most

(46:28):
of them are in their early to mid twenties. Now
where that sort of changed over the years. They you
normally peaked sort of in the mid to late twenties,
but now these young kids are coming straight out of
Mappe's and demolishing the world and cycling.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
But yeah, they're they're they're.

Speaker 17 (46:48):
They're really tiny. They're they're small people. They're they're definitely
not your rugby.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
Player and they they Yeah.

Speaker 17 (46:56):
It's just phenomenal how fast they go, how much power
they can put out for the size of them.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, it's the power to weight ratio that's really key
with it all, isn't it. I Mean, some of those
top contenders, there're what sixty sixty five kgs maybe dripping wet.
So you worked closely with Lance Armstrong for years, is
his mechanic? What was that experience like that? What was
he like to work with? Obviously there's a fair bit
of additional history that comes with his experience in the

(47:24):
Tour de France, but what was your experience?

Speaker 17 (47:27):
I actually really enjoyed it. I was a little bit
nervous to start with. I was in the team before
I ended up becoming his mechanic, and he just said
this aura about him where he was just a scary
looking guy, but when you got got to know him
and start working with him, he was actually probably the

(47:49):
most the sort of the person with the most sort
of Kiwi add aitude that's not a kiwi. He was
laid back and quite funny and joked around all the
time behind the scenes. He was just also your sort
of typical young American kid sort of style, and I
actually really enjoyed it, and it was it was a

(48:11):
lot of fun that it just didn't look like that
for the that he was like that to the to
the public, because you're you only sort of saw one
side of him through the media, where he was always
being attacked and things like that, but I actually really
enjoyed my time there.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
I learned a lot from them too.

Speaker 17 (48:29):
About the bikes, you know, the way he measures his
setups and all that sort of thing as well, which
which I hadn't seen before, and it was he was
really professional and also mellimeter by millimeter and and.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
He was a hard working athlete as well. So yeah, yeah, no,
it was good.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Do you feel like the tour has you know, they've
obviously done it kind of a lot of work and
cycling over the last few years, but do you feel
like they've sort of moved into a new era from
that from that, you know, from the Armstrong era, from
all of the controversy around doping and stuff, do you
feel like they've kind of managed to rewin the trust
of the cycle being public and the sporting public at large.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 17 (49:10):
It's definitely clear that that the sport and as a
whole is cleaned up, and it's it's much better now.
In the top tier and sort of the top level
World Tour which we're in, and then the next level
down Pro Conte, Pro Continental teams, they all have biological

(49:31):
passports now, which is all your blood values put together
by all the mandatory tests that you have to do,
plus any doping tests that you that you do just
in the sport in general, and then those values clearly
show if anyone starts to tamp around with anything, it
pops up immediately on these biological passports. So then they

(49:56):
get sort of they get informed that they're being watched,
and if the values continue to shut around a little bit,
the well, then take appropriate action. But in general, it's
really the sport has cleaned up and it's really good now.
But the thing is they go faster now than they

(50:17):
used to.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, obviously there are other
things have developed a lot, the bike technology, the aerodynamics,
the nutrition, all of that kind of thing, But I mean,
it's still ridiculous watching these cyclists, you know, especially at
the moment we have, you know, two kind of generational
cyclists have been duking it out on all of these
recent tours, Taday Pagaca and Joannes Vinger Guarde. What do

(50:41):
you make of those two as cyclists and the kind
of competition that we've seen not only this year but
in the last few years of the tour.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
Yeah, like it's pretty phenomenal. That those two.

Speaker 17 (50:54):
Quite far above the level of the others, and they
go head to head and the Grand Tours. Vnderguard is
clearly a super talented rider and a very good rider,
but he specifically targets the tour, whereas POG people now
sort of start to claim them as the new successor

(51:15):
of Eddie Merks because he wins all different races and
he just makes it look easy. He's and he's such
a nice person as well. He's always very friendly to everyone.
But he's just a phenomenal, phenomenal rider.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, what's it like when you're in the cars following
all of the cyclists, because watching it on TV, a
couple of things strike me as really stressful. First of all,
how close the fans still are to the cyclist, like
waving flags directly in their faces when they're riding up
mountains at thirty five k's an hour. But then all
of the cars that have to come through in the
procession following the cyclist, it just strikes me as an

(51:54):
altogether stressful experience.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 17 (51:58):
It's there seems to me more people here this year
than in the past years since since the COVID days,
I mean, and the tour always has a lot of
fans on the side of the road, but this year
it's it's incredible that every day everywhere they're just lined
up along the road. And there was actually an incident

(52:18):
where the Enios team car actually hit a spectator who
was standing virtually in the middle of the road and
the car was trying to pass another rider from another
team to move up behind his rider, and the spectator
was one meter out further on the road and didn't
budge and the car collected him on the way past.

(52:40):
And it was actually the spectator's fault, but the driver
of the car was also penalized and had to pay
quite a hefty fine. But they're lucky that nobody died
or was injured, you know, but it does there is
the odd accident. Over the years, there has been the
occasional accident and death with the spectators standing so close.

(53:05):
But it's yeah, it's a unique sport where it's open
to the public. It's not in an arena or a stadium,
so it's yeah, it's a little bit crazy, and it's
one of the only sports that I think the public
can get so close to the athletes.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, so you're on the road for two hundred and
fifty days a year sometimes, which is extraordinary, Greig, and
that means a lot of unfamiliar three and a half
star hotels. I would have thought, do you have any
aspirations for settling down at some point? I know you've
done more than twenty years on the tour. Could you
do another twenty?

Speaker 6 (53:41):
I definitely couldn't do another twenty Now.

Speaker 17 (53:43):
I'm much to my twenty first tour and it's just
a groundhole day. I guess it's nice. I enjoy traveling around.
That's probably the nicest part of it. You get to
see different places. But now most of the hotels that
we travel to every year are also quite familiar and
feel like home because you've been there so many times. Yeah,

(54:05):
but I think I've still got a few years in me.
I wouldn't say that many. But I'm also nervous that
when I do stop, I won't know what to do.
You know, I don't I've never done anything else, and
I might find that I don't really enjoy it. So
I think, well, I can I just make the most

(54:27):
of doing what I do until it's not possible anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, that's a great attitude. Hey, I'm deeply envious, Craig.
Enjoy the last you know, the last dying leagues of
the tour, and thank you so much for giving us
your time. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (54:42):
No, you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
There's Craig Gita. Craig Gita is the chief mechanic for
the team Jacob Alula. He is an Olympic selector. There's
all sorts of stuff for New Zealand cyclists as well
in two leagues left and this year's Tour de France,
which is his twenty first. If you want to get
in touch, ninety two. Ninety two is the text number
this morning, Jack Love, that be here the name Pagacha

(55:03):
being pronounced correctly by your guest. I think that's so.
That's probably not been pronounced correctly by me. Uh, never mind,
Jack Love the interview with Craig. What an amazing job.
Appreciate that you can email me as well. Jacket Newstalk
s headb dot co dot MZ. So before eleven o'clock
we're going to catch up with our personal finance expert.
There has been a surge in the number of New
Zealanders who are accessing key. We save a hardship withdrawals,

(55:25):
probably not altogether surprising given the state of the economy
at the moment, but she's going to give us her
thoughts on that next up though. If you're looking for
a great show to watch this weekend from the comfort
of your couch, we've got our screen time segment right now.
It's twenty three past tend.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Your weekend of the right way, Saturday Morning with Jack Dame.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
News Talks at b twenty six past ten on Newstalks
EDB screen Time Time. Tara Ward is our screen time experts.
She's here with her three shows for this weekend. Hey, Tara,
good morning. Let's begin with a show on Disney Plus.
Tell us about Washington Black.

Speaker 15 (56:01):
Yeah, this is a new drama that is a show
that's a mix of a lot of different things. It's
a historical drama. It's got a bit of science fiction
to it, and it's got a bit of romance and
adventure as well. It's set in the eighteen hundreds and
it's about a young boy called Washington Black, who, at
the age of eleven, is a slave on a plantation
in Barbados. He's accused of a crime and has to

(56:23):
escape to flee and the show jumps between Washington's life
as a child in Barbados and his adult life in
Halifax and Canada. And the adult Washington is an amateur scientist.
He's obsessed with bringing the inventions of his Barbados slave
owner to life while trying to avoid being caught for
this crime he was accused of as a child. And

(56:45):
so it's quite a serious subject matter, but it's much
lighter than I was expecting. This almost feels like a
family kind of drama. It's quite a sweeping story. It
goes to lots of different countries, and because of the
travel and the nineteenth century inventions, this has quite a
steampunk vibe to it, which is quite unexpected. It's almost
a bit Jules Vernes. So there's lots of stuff going

(57:07):
on here. If you like a lighter historical drama that's
got a bit of quirk to it, you'll like this.
It's got a great cast as well. Sterling Kate Brown
is in this, and he's always fantastic.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Nice. Okay, so it's Washington Black. It's on Disney Plus
on three now the game.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (57:24):
This is a British psychological thriller and in a lot
of ways it's a pretty stock standard British crime drama.
It's not doing anything new, it's not doing anything unexpected,
but it's still an entertaining watch. And I think that's
because of the cast. This does Jason Watkins and Robson Green.
Jason Watkins plays a police detective who is forced to
retire after he mishandles a case, and he's haunted by

(57:47):
not solving this mystery of a local serial killer. He's
just started his retirement when his neighbor dies unexpectedly. Robson
Green's character moves in next door, and the detective believes
that his new neighbor is the murderer who has evaded
him for so long, and he becomes obsessed with pre
his theory, and so it becomes this game of cat

(58:09):
and mouse with lots of you know, psychological tension building
up as the detective world starts to fall apart. It
sounds far fetched. It is far fetched. I can't say
this is the perfect drama, you know. The script is
a bit ropye, there's lots of plot holes. But I
watched this last night quite happily. I didn't have to
think too hard about it. Went along with some of
the more bonkers moments and just enjoyed it for what

(58:30):
it is. So I think if you're just your expectations
a little bit, you have a fun time, especially if
you enjoy you know, a good, reliable British crime drama.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Okay, nice, Okay, that's the game. That's on three now
and on TV and Z plus. The Hunting Wives.

Speaker 15 (58:45):
This is another drama where if you adjust your expectations
you're going to have a great time. This is The
Hunting Wives. It's wonderfully soapy and over the top, completely
ridiculous American series that's just come to TV and Z Plus.
It's set in Texas and it's about a woman named
Sophie whose family moves from Boston to Texas for her
husband's job. She's feeling quite lost until she gets welcomed

(59:07):
into a group of rich, socialite wives who are very
different to her. They all have secrets, nothing is what
it seems, and they become tangled up in a murder
and it's that whole Desperate Housewives story but dropped into Texas,
and they have turned the dial right up on the
politics and the wealth and the cowboy boots. They have
chucked almost everything at this show to see what sticks,

(59:29):
You've got Guns, murder of Fears, corruption, you name it,
it's in here. It has a great cast. Ulroney is
in this, Merlin Ackerman, Christy Metz from This is Us
and again it's just completely over the top, and I
enjoyed it for what it is, wonderfully trashy and silly
and soapy. And you know, this kind of TV has
its place every now and here. There's nothing wrong with

(59:50):
a bit of trashy TV, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Of escapism sometimes. Tarakactly, that's The Hunting Wives. It's on
TVNZ Plus. The Game is on three now in Washington. Black,
which was Tara's first recommendation, is on Disney Plus.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
It's getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks Bob.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Am.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I see producer Libby reckons this musician is angelic. That's
the word that Libby used to describe her, and I
reckon that sounds about right at first glance. Her name's
Billy Martin. She's a Yorkshire born singer songwriter with her
own quiet kind of magic. So she took off from

(01:00:45):
the age of fifteen when she was nominated for the
BBC's Sound of twenty sixteen award, and she's kind of
known for having her own musical universe, and in that universe,
softness can be as sharp as a sword. Music translates
to a jazz folk daydream and intuition takes the lead.
Her latest album is called Dog and she's kind of

(01:01:07):
caught the attention of our music reviewer of Stelle Cliffe
it in a major way. So Stelle's going to be
with us before midday today to give us her thoughts
on Dog ed and we will play you a couple
of songs. It is a beautiful kind of createl clear
crisp irony that I should be saying the words clear
and crisp and a non clear and crisp way, But yeah,

(01:01:29):
it is a beautiful clear and crisp voice, isn't it.
So looking forward to listening to a bit more Billy
Martin and it's a bit of a Yorkshire theme after
eleven o'clock on News Talks theb because as well as
playing New Yorkshire's very owned Billy Martin, we are traveling
through Yorkshire. In our travel segment this morning, our travel
correspondent has his top highlights from a trip to York
that he's going to share, so look forward to that.

(01:01:50):
Right now, it is twenty five minutes to eleven on Newstalks, ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
How about that we can butter right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
And is it any cheaper?

Speaker 11 (01:02:02):
No, it is not. In the midst of all of
it was the Finance Minister Nikola Willis, who is with us?
You look like you had a newsy in your handbag
and you're going to gun them down.

Speaker 14 (01:02:09):
If there wasn't a good explanation, then you came out
went out International markets.

Speaker 11 (01:02:13):
No, not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
I was very clear that commodity prices internationally are the
major driver. But that also I was interested in how
Fonterierra in the supermarkets divide the costs and the margin.

Speaker 11 (01:02:25):
But you know that, you know how they do it
because you worked for Fontira.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
I worked for Fontierra nine years ago.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
I never wed branded part of the business. Back Monday
from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real
Estate News Talk said, B, Yes, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Can't believe it's not. But I've been a funny old
week on that front, Hassen that I can't say I
was blown away with surprise when Fontira came out and said,
you know what, no, actually, we're not going to lower
our profits. We're not going to cut our cloth so
that Kiwis can have slightly cheaper butter. But yeah, very
interesting to watch it all unfold. And watching it unfold
was tech commentator Oscar Howell, who has noted that Fontira

(01:03:02):
has an interesting little scheme, a little incentive program underweight
at the moment, qualifying farmers shareholders, which basically means that
if they live up to various standards, they do what
they're supposed to do under the cooperative, they can get
fifteen hundred bucks a year as a subsidy to invest
on on farm technology or services. Get I ask you
well in a jack thanks for having me, Yeah, thanks

(01:03:23):
for being with us. So what kind of on farm
tech are farmers using?

Speaker 12 (01:03:29):
Well, currently, the kind of big things are pieces of
tech that are going to make their life easier, give
them better access to information, help them make decisions quicker.
So you're looking at things like pasture management. You know,
there's apps and dashboards out there like aim of Farming,
which kind of you know, give them insights into pasture
growth deficits and surpluses. You've got things like on farming
accountancy data and insights optimization, things like trev all the

(01:03:53):
way down to kind of how their animals are faring,
recording all of their animal data, that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah, and increasingly farmers and museums, especially dairy farmers are
using like wearables for cows, right, and I think of
that amazing company which does the smart collars. But you've
got a survey here from twenty twenty three done by
a darien Z that I think shows about eighteen percent
of farmers are now using wearables on their cows.

Speaker 12 (01:04:17):
Yeah, and I mean that's translating to over eight hundred
thousand cows across the country. It's up from about three
percent and twenty eighteen, which, like you said, that they're
effectively smart watchers for cows and it gives farmers insights
into all of the different things happening inside their head.
And yeah, again, it just goes to show farmers are
really embracing technology to make their lives easier.

Speaker 11 (01:04:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
It's funny because I think a lot of us who
aren't farmers still think, oh, well, you know, it's all
about just growing good grass. And sure they might you know,
check a couple of diodes in the ground or whatever,
get a bit of a reading. Maybe they've got a
rain gauge or two that's been digitized. But you know,
what more can you really, you know, improve on the
technology front on farms. But clearly, when it comes to productivity,

(01:04:57):
technology is making some big grounds.

Speaker 12 (01:05:00):
Technology it's just making such an incredible difference in the
lives of farmers. You know, if they can make decisions quicker,
if they can be better informed when they make those decisions,
they can save so much time and so many resources,
you know in the process.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And I see that part of the subs that he
has been funded by Mars and Neisle too, which is
intriguing given they're the big kind of Fonterra buyers, right.

Speaker 12 (01:05:22):
And I think that kind of comes down to what
they see as their corporate social responsibility, you know, Fonterra
New Zealand in general, we've got such a great reputation
around the world for our milk, how high quality it is.
You know, we're seen as this beautiful grass fed you know,
animals producing high quality milk. And I think you know,
companies like Mars and Nestle are keen to kind of

(01:05:43):
kick in and help grow that image and obviously maintain
that image.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yeah, amazing for farmers, Amazing for productivity. You know what, Oscar.
My only concern I don't see how this makes my
butter and EA cheaper.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Well, I know, I hate.

Speaker 12 (01:05:57):
That's not my area of expecting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough to Hey, thank you for
your time. We appreciate it. Ask her how in talking
tech for us this week. It is a really interesting
little scheme and amazing the extent to which farmers in
New Zealand are starting to use those wearables as well.
Before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden. Next up, our
personal finance expert with the implications for the massive surge
in the number of New Zealanders applying for and being

(01:06:20):
accepted for key we Saver hardship withdrawals. I mean, obviously
the economic conditions have led to a lot of people
tapping into their key we saver, but there are some
big long term impacts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk Savvy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Seventeen minutes to eleven on News talksb SO. About five
years ago, eighteen thousand, New Zealanders were making key We
Saver hardship grant requests, but in the year to June,
fifty thousand New Zealanders have done it, so two and
a half times as many. And this has massive implications
down the line because of course U key We Saver

(01:07:04):
tends to compound over time. Dudson is here with her
thoughts for us this morning. Counter Lisa h Good morning Jack.
So you know, in some respects, I'm surprised it's not
more than fifty thousand people because if you look at
it as the total number of key We Savor members,
I think it's about one point six percent of key
We Saber members are making hardship grant requests, which is
while you know much more than five years ago that

(01:07:27):
that's still as a total percentage of key We Saber members,
it's not. It's not massively high, right, It's not fifteen
or twenty percent or something like that. But I suppose
this just speaks to the kind of economic conditions that
people are experiencing.

Speaker 18 (01:07:40):
Yeah, yeah, it does. And look, there's no question that
it's pretty challenging out there. I think the other side
of it is though, that there is quite a significant
string in the tail of taking your TV favor funds out,
and that read recent article that came out was talking
about that. You know, there's a forty thousand dollar opportunity
cost for someone earning seventy five thousand dollars a year
in their mid thirty So, you know, that's pretty significant.

(01:08:02):
And I don't know where the people really understand. You know,
what takes me some of your keep me saving money
out now might mean in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, right, So talk to us a bit more about
that because obviously it compounds over time, which means that
whatever your take out now is going to be magnified.

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:08:20):
Yeah, And look at look it is tough because we
set up I've got a company called National Capital that
for QV Save Advice business, and so a couple of
years ago we set up our Facebook page QUEP Save Money,
and the best thing which was to try and help
on the education side of things. Right, So what's happened
with that Facebook page in the last few years is
now we've almost got four thousand members and almost all
the conversation is around taking your.

Speaker 9 (01:08:41):
QV favor funds out.

Speaker 18 (01:08:42):
So in some ways it's great that there's a resource
out there to give people some guidance on that, but
these are some of the examples that I've seen recently. Right,
you know, people saying, okay, well I need you need
fifteen thousand dollars out of my kvsaver in order to
buy a new car, right, and I'm like, okay, well,
I'm not sure that you're reading this thing. Fifteen thousand
or comments around I'd like to send the keysaver out
because I've got myself into a bit of trouble. But

(01:09:04):
there's a lot of gambling trainings on my account. Or
a recent one that I saw in the last couple
of weeks was saying, you know, like I got declined,
and they took a screenshot of what the leader was
and it was saying, you know, we notice the high
level of discretionary spending. So on one hand, it's wonderful
that there is this tool that people can access the

(01:09:25):
keep we say, then when they're doing it tough, and
quite frankly, there is a lot of people doing it tough.
On the other hand, I'm kind of going, is it
too easy? And you know, nice to have the you know,
the safety there, But on the other side of it,
is it too easy? And I see people in there going,
oh well, I'm on my third on my fourth round.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Oh yeah, so you.

Speaker 18 (01:09:45):
Know, I guess there's two sides to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
So I went through the id's website and they say
to withdraw savings, you need to provide evidence you are
suffering significant financial hardship. I mean, so, do you think
that maybe just the criteria aren't kind of strict enough,
or if the application maybe isn't quite strict enough.

Speaker 18 (01:10:04):
Well, I mean, adoiss, you know, I mean that's in
some ways it's fairly black and white, but it's always
open to interpretations, ye know. And I'm not the person
on the other end, you know, receiving those applications and
making those approvals or declining them. But what I am
seeing in these forums is I kind of go I
just get the feeling that some people are using a
little bit too easily because it is there and not

(01:10:25):
actually realizing, you know, what the implications are over the
long term, because very few people would have actually got
the calculator out and said, is there a better way
of doing this? Because there is a significant cost to
my financial future.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Yeah, that's the thing. So they've got a few like
examples that they put in and it's stuff like can't
meet minimum living expenses, you need to modify your homes
to meet your special needs, can't pay the mortgage on
the home you live in, that kind of stuff. But
there's also stuff that applies to family members which is interesting.
So funeral costs for a dependent family remember palliative care

(01:11:00):
for a member or members dependent, So you know the
stuff like that that also applies, which you know you
can imagine there would be an EVIDENTI your base. But
when you see a serage like that, you do have
to wonder, you know, if it's paying for cars or
for for you know, nice nice want to haves rather
the need to have you do sort of wonder if
people are maybe well, but.

Speaker 9 (01:11:21):
Also so people might still need that car.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
You need to be fifteen grand right, well, that's right.

Speaker 18 (01:11:28):
And then it's also what is the behavior that's been
going on to get to that point, Like, you know,
have you been super careful with your money? Have you
been to see a budget advisor? You know, have you
tried to find some extra part time work? Have you
you know, had a bit of a tidey epic of
garage and you sold a few things on you know,
trade me and Facebook to try and raise some funds.
Have you done all those things before you got to

(01:11:49):
that point? So I don't necessarily know whether I question
for most of it people at that point, but it's
just like, what's gone on for them to get to
that point and was that absolutely necessary?

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah, it's interesting. You know, my thoughts on cars, you
never never want to be a debt for a car,
never never take it alone for a car.

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
Absolutely, you could probably get a pretty good car for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Well, yeah, exactly when you're in the when you're just
you know, my idea of a car upgrade is going
from a Toyota Corolla to a Toyleter Corolla.

Speaker 9 (01:12:19):
So you know, so you're still driving a pretty cheap carget.

Speaker 10 (01:12:21):
Still driving a Toyota Corolla, Lisa, you be pleased to that? Yeah,
there you go, grads.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Slightly newer than the last Toyter Corolla. You know, so
very fancy that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
You all right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Great to chat as always appreciate your time, Lisa duds
in our Personal Finance Expert There it's ten to eleven
on news talks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
You'd be guarding with still sharp one hundred bucks of
free accessories on selected chain.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Saws, climb past as our man in the garden. He's
with us this morning killed the route, Jack.

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
I wasn't a garden. I wasn't a big garden this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Oh your place or somewhere else.

Speaker 11 (01:12:55):
No fun, very good, okay, yeah yeah yeah. We were
putting Eddie Eduard is by twelve year old Vinson. He
suddenly got interested in doing some work with Harriet, so
he decided to team up with me. We put five
trips down and this afternoon we're going to see who
got in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Oh fantastic, Well can you catch something even in the
last even in the next couple of outs.

Speaker 11 (01:13:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We put We put all
these these wonderful baits in, like frozen ducks and frozen pigeons,
and they chew on them and basically they're trapped, so
we we didn't put the ring around them their legs
and all the sort of nose and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
He broke up before do you say Harry hawk like
Harry hawks here, yes, here right, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah sorry.

Speaker 11 (01:13:42):
And he and he's big enough to actually carry them
and weigh them now, so we've got this little spring
balance and then from the from the amount of weight
that they put on. He tells me whether he thinks
it's a male or a female, because the females are
usually a boy. The kilo and the males are about
six hunder ground.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Listen, do they have talons and they can they scratch
you up badly?

Speaker 11 (01:14:03):
Well, the talons are very hard to get out of
your hand. You use your teeth to get them out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Oh my god, I'm not joking.

Speaker 11 (01:14:10):
They are. That's serious stuff. So he has learned, he
learns how to hold them and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, that kind of thing. No, wow, man, use your hands. Yeah,
that sounds like fun, that sounds amazing.

Speaker 11 (01:14:27):
Yeah, these things they go on, these things, of course
do a job on the planet because they actually eat
dead birds and things like that that they find. That's
how we trap them. So when I thought last week
we talked about other things that you know, and what
the jobs they do on the planet, So I thought
i'd carry on a little.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Bit please time. Yeah right yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:14:48):
Yeah. So for instance, and you'll see that the people
that you can see it on the website. Of course,
crane flies. You know, you know crane flies, don't you
Those are those big, deady, long leg flies that sit
on the wall. Right. Yeah. Well, the babies basically they
were an absolutely brilliant job in your vegetab garden because
they sit in the soil and make holes and tunnels

(01:15:11):
and they literally create very fertile soil that way. So
that's what they do. It's absolutely wonderful. They clean, They
clean the soil and so on and so forth. So
that is exactly what they do. And and you ask
anybody what do butterflies do, and and flies, and of
course they're pollinators.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 11 (01:15:33):
They do nothing in your garden but fertilize everything that flowers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And we were a few weeks ago obviously that the
number of butterflies is just ridiculous. You know, they have
they have all these kind of butterfly sanctuaries and things.
But yeah, and presumably they're all doing the same.

Speaker 11 (01:15:50):
Thing they do, that's their job. Yeah, And guess what
tukon does the same sort of thing. It eats the
fruits of everything that has been fertilized and then they
pull out the seed, so they are actually seed disperses.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Okay, you're right, not very good.

Speaker 11 (01:16:06):
All these things going on there. So there's parasitic wasps
and I put some pictures in their sall ones that
lay eggs inside caterpillars, and those eggs hatch inside those
caterpillars into little wasps babies, if you like, and they
basically kill all the pests you don't want the garden.
So you know, you can say what you like about them,

(01:16:28):
but they do a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah, okay, yeah nice. The dung beetles love a dung beetles,
absolutely love a dunkle. Think you're so cute.

Speaker 11 (01:16:37):
We've got they're lovely. We've got about seven or eight
species in New Zealand now and dung Beetle Innovation is
looking after them. These guys basically put dun back into
the soil by burying it deep down and thereby making
your garden quite or in this case you're fun quite
fertile again, and that that is absolutely brilliant how they

(01:16:57):
do that. And the cool thing is we've just realized
that they actually also change the cycle of of of
all the If you're like carbon that usually needs to
be taken into the soil, and dun burtles do that
too where it belongs in the soil.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
What about mosquitoes, what about why do we need mosquitoes?

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
Rod?

Speaker 11 (01:17:19):
Everybody hates a good mosquito. A well females are the
ones that bite people, but males do not bite. They
are pollinators, yes, of all our native plants. It comes
another thing.

Speaker 19 (01:17:32):
If mosquitoes fly around your garden, their food for native birds,
for dragonflies, for spiders, for anything else that wants to
eat that protein. And here it comes the coolest thing
of all the mosquito larvae.

Speaker 11 (01:17:44):
Those rigulars that go up and down in your point,
they clean the bacteria out of that water, so they
clean water.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Amazing. Hey begg you served me day, Catch you again
next week. Road Climb Pass News is next on news Dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
It'd be Saturday morning with Jack Tam keeping the conversation
going through the weekend US talks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Good morning. If you're just joining us today, great to
have you here. I'm Jack taying with you through the
midday on Newstalk ZB and our sustainability expert Kate Hall
has had a pretty crazy couple of months. She has
been expecting a baby. She's had a baby daughter Orchard,
and you might remember that before going into labor, Kate
had a whole set of plans about how she would

(01:18:53):
try and maintain her sustainability ethos heading into motherhood. Top
of the list for me, the one that stuck out
to most of us was her plan to try and
introduce the elimination method, which basically means teaching your baby
to teaching your baby to be toilet trained as soon
as possible, essentially going around a lot of the time

(01:19:14):
without using nappies. Anyway, this is the first time that
we've chatted to Kate Hall in a week while she's
with us this morning. Great to have you back on
the show.

Speaker 9 (01:19:22):
Good morning, good morning. Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
This is the first time we have chatted since you
have expanded your family. Congratulations, how are you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
Thank you. I am actually doing really well. You know,
a parent, you don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
To say, you don't have to know.

Speaker 9 (01:19:39):
Yeah, yeah, no, but I genuinely mean it. I genuinely
mean it in one moment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Here, yeah, okay, in this moment. Yes, as you say,
there are ups and downs that I know many people
will relate to, so give us that. What has what
has surprised you about motherhood so far?

Speaker 9 (01:19:57):
In many ways? I mean every day has a surprise,
but in many ways it is easier than I expected.
Oh my god, no, no, no, I have I have a caveat,
I have a little asterisk and little side note to that,
because I have my parents close by and because I
have a supportive partner. I honestly every day I just

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sit in awe of how do people do this on
their own? So I literally just don't know they are superheroes.
So that has surprised me with how much I need
other people and how hard it is to ask for help.
But I'm getting better at.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
That, so that's so good.

Speaker 9 (01:20:35):
It's been a big surprise, but a lovely one to
be like, Oh, I have a community around me I
can call on, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
That makes a massive difference. So before you ducked off
to become a mum, we talked about your kind of
preparation and the ways in which you were trying to
bring your sustainability philosophy to motherhood. And I remember one
big plan ahead of every every other and that was

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your plan to be very considerate about when you use
nappies and try and pack up on your child's signals
yes for when they wanted to go to the toilet.
And I can think, you know, what power to UK
because I am not doing that. But how's that gone
so far?

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
Yeah, So, just to preface, my child always wears a nappy, right, Okay,
so she always has a backup, like I'm not going
to come around to someone's house and just lie and
be like if they go, they go, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Okay, that's that's a big relation.

Speaker 9 (01:21:41):
We have nappies currently has one reusualies from day one,
but again that's because I have support from my partner
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
So reusable are you've got the old cloth ones that
you're kind of stew in a bucket of nappy sand
or something.

Speaker 9 (01:21:53):
Yeah, son, there's the whole clean cloth nappies is a
really cool space for knowing how to wash them. But yeah,
we just use a cloth and then there's a cool
little snappy thing. We're kind of like old gool safety
pins so they used to use. So we just used
it's pretty much just a square piece of fabric when
she was tiny tiny, But now we use a variety

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of reusable nappies, which I'm going to be reviewing on
my website and stuff in the future. But the elimination
communication thing, I remember we had a chat and I
genuinely like I was quite nervous to say it out
loud on air because that's really daunting to you know,
to commit to something before you know how it's going
to go. However, even though I was prepared for it

(01:22:37):
to fail, and I was kind of rolling my eyes
at myself, it has gone brilliantly, and my child has
she's you know, even at six weeks old, she did
a four hour sleep stretch and had a dry nappion
and as I picked her up, and I had kind
of watched her cues and knew roughly, you know, when
humans wake up from asleep, we often go to the

(01:22:59):
toilet first, So I offered the potty to her and
she went poos and weeds and went back to sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
So there's great. Is there any possibility that was just
a fluke?

Speaker 9 (01:23:09):
No, because it's happened at least six times.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Wow, Okay, Yeah, that's really good. And I mean you
were pretty clear when you were talking about elimination communication
that you didn't think it was going to work instantly.
It's not like they come out the womb immediately like
oh yeah, hey mom, I'm just gonna get other loo
like that. It's kind of something you build towards. I
remember too, like we got a few texts of people
being like, okay streaming, but we actually quite a few
messages people being like, this is how until you know,

(01:23:34):
thirty years ago, forty years ago, this is how children
were raised. Yeah yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 9 (01:23:38):
Well we think what did they do before nappish? You know,
like I found an old school as your friend sent
a picture of an old school plunket book from like
the nineteen sixties, and in it it was telling mothers
because mothers are the people who the main key givers,
then saying mothers, hold your baby out over a piece
of newspaper.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:23:59):
So and other cultures like this isn't new. You know,
we call it elimination communication. But that's kind of what
we're like, you know, we're trying to call it in
the Western world. But really it's just you know, if
my child wants feeding, like like you with your child too, Jack,
it's you know, when they're hungry, right, you've had months
of knowing their cues, but also especially when you know

(01:24:22):
a mother has had months of the baby being inside them.
It was so Orchard was born. Orchard is the name
of my daughter. I know, it's weird, we'll go with that.
She was born on a Thursday night, and then on
Saturday morning I woke up and you know, I'm just delirious.
I've just given birth. I'm in hospital, and I remembered,

(01:24:44):
I remembered our conversation. I remember the books I had
read about elimination communication, and I thought, well, I need
to go to the toilet right now. So I picked
her up and I held her over the potty and
I caught her first Pernui's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
It's not, it's amazing, Like, honestly, no, you do you
there's my attitude, thank you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm really
supportive of it, you know, And I think it's amazing
you've done this. And I think, you know, in just
a matter of time that's going to pass. Before you
know it, you are going to be feeling so good
because your heart is going to be way before mine.

Speaker 9 (01:25:24):
Yeah. Yeah, well people people keep saying, oh my gosh,
you know, I'd love to do that. I just and
I understand if you had other kids running around, it
would be really hard, especially if you were going to
like try it first off. But for me, I feel
like I'm the lazy person because when you have a newborn,
you're holding them lots anyway, and so instead of holding

(01:25:44):
her and just watching her going her nappy, I hold
her over a vessel or a toilet so I don't
have to being cleaned something, so her skin's much better.
I wash way less nappies, like about half the amount.
It costs nothing, you know, like just hold them over
a toilet. I was at my sister's house after going
to the zoo on Thursday, and I was like, oh

(01:26:05):
she might there you go be So I held her
over my sister's toilet, hped, and my sister stood there going,
who there care you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Yeah? That is amazing, I mean, yeah, yeah, it is.
It really is incredible. Okay, well done? Well what else is?

Speaker 11 (01:26:18):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Heading heading into this, you were, you know, thinking about
the stuff you'd actually need. You were thinking about polite
ways in which to decline hand me downs and that
kind of thing. Has has your philosophy around sustainable parenting,
especially in these early weeks and months, Has that been
altered at all now that it's all real.

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
I think, like my values have stayed the same. So
I've tried really hard. Like I think a lot of
people rightly so looked at me and thought, well, you know,
just few waits until you have a baby. But I
have tried hard over the last eight years to instill
my own values, so my instinct is to stick to those,
and I find when I go, oh, you know, I'll

(01:27:02):
just I'll just do that, I'll just you know, kind
of succome to like and ignore my instincts. That's been
the rails fall off. So I find like, even even
with her clothes at the start, I had all second
hand clothes. I not bought her clothes, only a few
ones from the thresh up, and I had them all

(01:27:24):
out and her caddie like, you know, all roll them all,
roll them all up, which doesn't last very long. But
I've actually realized I just want to grab like one
pair of pants, and I don't want to look at
all the different colors, and I don't want to have
to decide. It's the decision fatigue. So there's lots of
thoughts going through my mind. Sleep sepervation is a thing.

(01:27:45):
But I just now have a casual wardrobe for her,
and it works really well because I'm doing the washing
a lot anyway, because I have Reisbor nappies and I'm
so grateful, you know, all of the second hand clothes
that she has, but I just don't need as much,
so going into it, I thought I've got these second hand,
but I just don't. I still don't need them, So

(01:28:08):
I'm going to distribute all of those things to other parents.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yeah right, oh, good for you. That's great. Yeah, it'll
be really interesting over the next couple of months to
kind of plot this. Obviously a lot changes in a
short period of time, so ye be intriguing to see
how the kind of things that were easy would be
harder and as well exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:28:26):
And I do have eleven disposal and nappies literally sitting
right there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
You monster, I know. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 9 (01:28:35):
Yeah, I actually like I want to use like I
said to my family and friends, if you want to
use disposals, you know, like just by the by the disposals,
like if you're going to care for my child, you know.
For me, it's about keeping a realistic perspective and actually
just being like, Okay, what do I need right now?

(01:28:56):
I need to sleep, I need the basics, and just yeah,
kind of not holding on to your values and aligning
them too hard, because yeah, that makes someone stupid. Disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah, oh well, look, congratulations, Kate. It's so good to chat.
We can't wait to see how this goes over the
next week while, but congratulations.

Speaker 11 (01:29:14):
On the arrival of Ward.

Speaker 9 (01:29:16):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
That is Kate Hall, our sustainability expert. Honestly good on her.
Good on Kate. You know, there were there were a
few people who said, nah, Kate, you're absolutely dreaming, and
I don't. I just think it sounds like she's doing
such an amazing job, and you know, all credit to her.
Jack says Kimella. My wife's from Uzbekistan and did the

(01:29:38):
same thing. The kids were tailet trained by two years old.

Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
We were born in the sixties. My mother used cloth nappies.
My mother was born in the forties and she had
cloth nappies used on her. I used cloth nappies on
my two in the nineties. This is nothing new, yeah,
I mean we had cloth nappies when I was a
kid as well. Cloth nappies are definitely not new. I
mean the elimination method given the like if you had
to think about it as a percentage of incomes, right,

(01:30:04):
so there's a percentage of incomes. I think disposable nappies
are much more, not much more, but are more affordable
today than they were in the past. Like I remember
Mum saying to us that disposable nappies existed when I
was a baby, but my parents can afford them, especially
with four kids. Like, they're really expensive, and so they
probably have become less expensive relative to the average wage.

(01:30:27):
That being said, the number of households that have two
parents working and have to have two parents working today
just to tick over the bills and stuff compared to
you know, decades past, is also probably a lot higher.
But yeah, I think Kate is doing an incredible job,
So thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two If
you want to send us a message as well, Jacket

(01:30:47):
Newstalks dB dot co dot nz, How Travel Correspondents, And
next he's taking us on a trip to York. I
think York's still a walled city. I'm if I'm thinking right.
So we'll get his top tips for visiting York in
a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Travel with Wendy Wouts Where the World is yours book?

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Now How Travel correspond is Mike Yardley. He's here this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Hey Mike, Good morning Jack from marouci Do or future
home of the athlete's village of the twenty thirty two Olympics.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Yeah, how good? Is it? A nice morning? They're nice
and warm, quite nice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Ye're heading from about twenty two, so stiflingly hot but
very pleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Yes, it's very nice. We break very nippy here, so
you know, I take that. I think exactly sounds pretty
pretty damn good. I mean, I know that they're very organized,
but like the do you get a sense that they
still have I mean, obviously still a bit of work
to do, but like are they you know, do you
get a sceense? Does it feel like it's gonna like
it's an Olympic village where you are? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
No, they used to build it, but I think there's
a lot of buying and support for the idea of
having the village in Marouchi. Also, it's about nineteen minutes
north of Brisbane, which is interesting. But something interesting over
night Jack the rowing course was destined for the Fitzroy River,
even further north from Marouci, but now a huge spanner

(01:32:08):
has been thrown on the works because apparently there's been
a booming population of crocodiles Troy. Just imagine that for
the Olympic Games.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
It would be extra I mean, there's sort of enough
jeopardy as it is when it comes to a gold
metal race. But my goodness, let to take them to
the next little isn't it. Yeah, that's amazing. So anyway,
we're focusing on a destination slightly further afield this morning.
You're sharing with us your favorite science and stories in York,
which is where our producer Libya is from. It is

(01:32:42):
also where my family's from. Once upon a time, I
believe the Thames have there's some strand of the Tame
family from Yorkshire. So the year ago. And it's a
walled city.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Right it is, Jack and walk these wolves because they
are such a sublime piece of history that the ancient
Romans first built. I love walled cities because they always
seem to encase the city that is compact, you know,
it's defined, it's cobbled and cohesive. And York's walls are
also a monument to Constantine the Great, perhaps the city's

(01:33:15):
most famous past resident. It was really interesting he commissioned
these wars and actually became Emperor of Rome while he
was in York. So I think a lot of the
locals consider him a local, even though he was head
of the Roman Empire.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Yeah, oh that's amazing. So who are some of the
other kind of major historical figures who are intimately connected with.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
York well aside from the team Ifano and being the
birthplace of producer Libby. Two very bad buggers. Dick Turpin,
the notorious highway robber. He's buried in York. In fact,
he jumped off the gallows platform and killed himself before
they could hang him.

Speaker 11 (01:33:54):
Just imagine that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
My grandparents Jack, They once told me that one of
Turpin's sidekicks is in our family tree, which may explain
quite a lot. Yeah. And then there's Guy Fawkes who
was born just behind york Minster. And one of the
best old boozes in York is the Guy Fawkes. And
I love to this place. It's got marvelously wonky wooden floors.

(01:34:18):
You get a history lesson on Yorkshire's notorious plotter, and
he was actually a regular there before. Of course they
named it after him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Yeah, oh amazing. So how many years did it take
to build Yorkminster.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Two hundred and fifty years. So with a bit of Patients,
christ Church Cathedral might indeed be finished one day. You know,
Patients is a virgin but York Munster it is such
a honey hued colossus towering above the tangle of all
of those slinky old streets, and it's emblazoned with over

(01:34:52):
one hundred stained glass windows. And then there's all the
little curious, amusing touches like the nose picking gargoyles, which
the kids absolutely love. The other great symbol of York,
by the way, is the Shambles are perfectly imperfect medieval
street that used to be home to York's potches. And

(01:35:12):
I was intrigue that the shadiness of the street was
actually deliberately designed so that the shelves of meat, you know,
were protected.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Ah right, yeah, that makes sense. So what are some
of the kind of key experiences in the Shambles.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Well, I just love the spectacle of it, because all
of those half timbered, crooked buildings, they seem to teeter
at the most implausible angles. You expect the whole thing
just to implode. You know, it's just so extreme, the
angles of those buildings. But obviously the street and its
history gives rise to some very pricey real estate. So

(01:35:46):
the ariswagger shops in the street, but they do tend
to be boutiqui an artisan, so you can go to
places like Monk Bar, Chocolate Tears, Shambles Kitchen for very poshnosh.
But Jack, if you happen to be shopping for a
wand you're in luck because the Shambles is home to
the shop that must not be named, which spills with

(01:36:10):
official Harry Potter paraphernalia. And I think the Shambles was
actually the inspiration for Diagon Valley in the Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
That's fun. Oh that's cool, Yeah, because I suppose I
mean they say it not even that far from Edinburgh? Really,
are you quite fun northul Yes? So you could just
duck down the train. Yeah, so you mentioned the fancy nash.
What would be your top if you recommend at eats
in York?

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Well, it's interesting a lot of young professionals have been
flocking to York in recent years because house prices are
actually still decidedly cheaper than London. So that's given rise
to quite a new wave of very trendy eateries and
bakeries to sort of shake things up. I went to
a place called the Shambles Sausage and Pie Company. Oh
my goodness, talk about gourmet. But you've got to be

(01:36:53):
there before midday to bag the best pies. Hex By
Bakehouse man, go there for the slow cocked beef cheek
and chili jam Sowdo Sammy so good. Yeah, and if
you want to go old school, you cannot beat Betty's
tea rooms in cafe. It's the bomb. This is like

(01:37:13):
a resolute York landmark, and you will have to cure
around the clock to get a prime table. But the ambience,
the food, the cakes, the pastries, they are unbeatable.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
How good did you uncover any quirky haunts?

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
York is supposedly Europe's most haunted city. I was talking
to a local who was adamant that the Golden Fleece
Pub has fifteen resident ghosts.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Oh wow, so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
There are twos galore if haunted sightings as your bag.
I checked out a rather quirky trail called the Cat Hunt.
And this all began over a century ago, Jack, when
a resident installed two black cat sculptures, apparently to scare
away the rats, and the idea caught on sort of

(01:38:04):
like scarecrows, get I guess, So lots of locals sort
of pitched in and now there are all sorts of
black cat figures and sculptures. They even crown the roofline
of some buildings around York, so you can check them
all out on a dedicated trail, which culminates, I have
to say at the Cats Whiskers Cafe.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Oh yes, oh very good. And what about what about
if you into a bit of train spotting, we should
train spot as head.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Oh my goodness. If you are not a train spotter,
before you go to the Railway Museum, expect a very
quick conversion because this is the world's largest train museum.
It's got over one hundred locomotives. They've got everything. They've
got the Shinkansen, they've got the Flying Scotsmen, they've got
the world's fastest steam train, the Mallard. There are so
many amazing exhibits. It is kind of like a giant

(01:38:56):
train set made real. I found it quite gob stopping,
and it is absolutely a crowd favorite, not just with
the rain jacket Brigade Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Yeah, that sounds amazing. I would love to go. I'd
really love to go. I was last in your core,
probably a decade ago, but I was only there for
a few hours. It sounds like a great spot, I reckon.
Thank you so much, Mike. We will make sure all
of your sites, stories and recommendations for visiting York are
up on the news Talk We Said B website. Thank
you for your feedback as well. Jack, listened to your

(01:39:26):
interview regarding toilet training a baby. For goodness sake, it
is old as my grandmother held out all of her babies,
and if my father was alive still, he'd be one
hundred and five years old. Just been reinvented, Jack. A
single disposable nappy takes hundreds of years to fully break down,
Easier said than done. But every disposable nappy we can
keep out of the landfill, the better go, Kate, as

(01:39:46):
far as I'm concerned, and Jack, yes, yeay, Kate. My
mother was a British nanny. She used this on us
in the early nineteen sixties. I used to do it
as well for my younger brothers. They were largely nappy free.
This was, once upon a time, a totally normal practice.
Just one of those things that we as a society
have collectively for gotten. Thank you for that. I'll get

(01:40:08):
to borrow your feedback in a few minutes. It's just
gone eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on news Talks A B.

Speaker 9 (01:40:21):
Yeah, how are you thought? I was wondering there's something
Lucky Durham, make you.

Speaker 11 (01:40:34):
Something Lock Durham.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
News Talks be You're Jack Tame through the twelve o'clock
today before my day, we're going to play some music
from Yorkshire musician Billy Martin. It's got a really beautiful
clear voice. Our producer Libby when I saw earlier this
year and said that it was angelic, and I think
that is probably the worst. She got a brand new

(01:41:01):
album called dog Eared, so our music review will be
in very shortly to give us her thoughts on that.
Shall we play a couple of songs from that album
as well? And then after midday of course, Jason Pine
is in for Weekend Sport and he's tackling a big
question right after the mid day news today, how do
we fix netball's woes Morning Piney Jack. Yeah, No, it's
a it's a rather gnarhi old topic. Netball navigating some

(01:41:25):
choppy waters at the moment at the elite level, the
future of the am Ze Premiership a but uncertain, no
new broadcast deal and place real trepidation among the players.
It's you know, it's one that I think is worth examining,
because you know, netball's just been a bedrock of our sport,
historic of our sporting landscape historically. We can't just we
can't just let it wither and die. We have to

(01:41:46):
make sure that it continues to survive and to thrive.
So how is the question? There's no kind of obvious
answer off the top of my head, but I mean
it is like it is being even more closely integrated
with Australia, an option that might be feasible in any way,
shape or form.

Speaker 20 (01:42:03):
Well, I think one thing you have to do is
allow players to play in bow by moving the calendar
of the New Zealand A and Z Premiership. It seems
obvious really that at the moment the Australian competition goes
April to August and the New Zealand competition goes May
to the back end of July, so they basically run
alongside one another. So I can't feel like we've got

(01:42:23):
to bump ours beyond theirs so that players can play
in both. New Zealand's best players can go over and
play in Australia and vice versa. We get some top
Australian players coming over here to boost our competition and
all of a sudden, you know, our top netballers are
employed from April through to the back end of October.
That's a far more palatable thing than sort of ten
or eleven weeks in the middle of the year here

(01:42:44):
with no ability to make money in the closest competition
to us, just across the Tasman because it runs at
the same time. So absolutely that is one thing they
have to look at.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Yeah, I mean that way at the very least players
would been you know, it's aspirational for new players right
who want to be able to get into the Australian League,
start in the New Zealand League. Maybe you start playing
in both. You make a bit more money as well.
Just tell me that we're not going to be banning
people from the Silver.

Speaker 20 (01:43:07):
Well no, that role has changed, yeah yeah, yeah, And
maybe that's a step by Nipble New Zealand to say, hey,
well this is a first ye you know, courtious step
towards that. Look they've they've brought in the two point
shot and that's an innovation. I think that's caught the
attention of a lot of people. But there must be
more they can do. And look like I say, netball
is a sport that and for many years, I think

(01:43:29):
that's a fact it was the only sport. It was
the only sport for females. And I think now that's
the other challenge they face at grassroots, Yeah, is that
young girls. I mean off the back of the women's
feet for Women's World Cup two years ago, a twenty
seven percent increase in young girls playing football, are you know?
So that's that's massive basketball. They're playing there, they're playing rugby,
they're playing rugby league. Now the Warriors women provide that
aspirational pathway. Netball don't have it all to themselves anymore.

(01:43:53):
So look, I want to be a solutions based show,
so so that's what we're going to try and do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
After that'll be any interesting? Hey, war On Gatland on
the show as well.

Speaker 20 (01:44:01):
Yeah, former British and Irish Lions coach brought The Lines
to Australia in twenty thirteen and here in New Zealand
and twenty seventeen. He's part of the commentary team at
the moment actually with the current series Australia against the Line.
So he's going to join us after two o'clock. Looking
forward to catching up with Warren Gatland on the show
tar so good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
All right, thank you, sir Jason Parson for a week
in sport. Right after the midday news, We're going to
have your book picks for the weekend next right now,
it's twenty two minutes to twelve on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by Newstalg EDB twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
To twelve on newstorgs EDB. Another text here, Jack, eighties
children here, Disposable nappies were just becoming a thing. And
let me tell you, they were disgusting in the eighties, big, heavy,
cold and wet. So my kids just stayed in cloth.
They were cheaper, and the kids were all toilet trained
by the age of two. So what disposables have evolved? Though?
They are no longer wet and cold, and that, in

(01:44:54):
my theory, is why children today don't toilet train nearly
as early, and disposables are pretty comfy. Got to say
thank you for that. Ninety two to ninety two, yes
to all of that. I think they can't possibly disagree.
They're probably also they're more companied, probably also slightly cheaper
relative to income compared to what they were back then,
which is not to say they're cheap. But you know
my drift. You can seend me a text if you like.

(01:45:16):
Katherine Rains our book reviewers, here with her two reads
for the weekend. Hey Catherine, morning Jack. Let's begin with
your first recommendation. Tell us about the Forsaken by Matt Rodgers.

Speaker 21 (01:45:26):
So Logan Booth, the main character in this thought. He
had been a rogue assassin for this group of vigilantes
for the past ten years and he's absolutely devastated to
learn he's actually been used by the CIA as a
contract killer to further government interests, and so he's kind
of in a path that's not great. And then his
longtime friend and a guy who's an investigator for journalist

(01:45:49):
Chill Gromero is murdered for attempting to for attempting to
uncover political corruption, and Logan's very determined to seek justice,
and he ends up forming this very unlikely bond with
witness girl called Alice, who's our homeless drug addict, and
they both joined forces to seek revenge. And through the
story you learn about Alice in her life on the streets,

(01:46:11):
but what her life was like before then, and the
aftermath or some of the decisions that she makes, and
she's a really lost soul and she's feeling very worthless.
And you follow Logan and Alice's story in this friendship
of people who actually you think it from do very
different worlds, but as the story moves through, you realize
that they aren't that different, and they both got fairs
and things that they are struggling to break through from

(01:46:33):
and a past that they just don't want to know about.
And it's perfect for readers who like revenge stories, conspiracy,
corruption thrillers. And you can see it as you're reading,
playing out as a movie at some point. But yeah,
it's a good read, a little bit violent, but a
good read all the same.

Speaker 11 (01:46:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Nice. Okay, that's The Forsaken by Matt Rodgers. You've also
read Not Quite Dead Yet by Holly Jackson.

Speaker 21 (01:46:56):
So this is Holly Jackson's first adult novel. She's more
known for her young adult novels, and this one is
set in Woodstock in Vermont, and twenty seven year old
Jet has a week weirdly to solve her own murder.
She receives several blows to the head during her attempted
murder and the doctors have told her that she's got
a week to live until her injuries course this huge

(01:47:20):
aneurism and will leave her dead. And she's determined she's
going to use that time to catch a killer. And
so she teams up with her childhood friend Billy, who's
this amazing human being and everything Jet could want, and
a friend. There were lots of suspects, her family, her
ex boyfriend, her best friend, and she's determined in those
seven days to figure out who might want to see
her dead. And she discovers, of course, some secrets about

(01:47:42):
people close to her, and it's all about that, the
secrets and lies, and Holly Jackson has this really amazing
way of giving you everyday characters full of complexities, and
manages to kind of show you all of their characters
and their backstory. And there's lots of twists and turns,
and as I said, those characters are complex and interesting
in a really engaging plot. From a premise that sounds

(01:48:04):
a little bit weird, but actually, for some reason, this
story just really works and it's a very good read.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Yeah, I mean the previous that sound a little implausible
to say the least, but.

Speaker 21 (01:48:13):
No, I don't think you'd probably I don't think you
probably feel like solving your own mirror in that seven
Days story. Yeah, yeah, jitmust just decides that she's gonna
find out and yeah, some interesting characters that appear and
some interesting backstories that she discovers.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Along the way. Okay, cool, so that's not quite dead
yet by Holly Jackson. Catherine's first book is The Forsaken
by Matt Rodgers, and both of those will make sure
up on the news talks. He'd be website giving.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
You the inside scoop on all you need to know
this Saturday morning with Jack Dame Youth Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
This is feeling. It's a song by Billy Martin. He's
got a brand new album called dog Ed and our
music reviewer Atestelle Cliff that has been listening. She's with
us this morning.

Speaker 22 (01:49:18):
Hey, oh Kyoder, Yeah, Billy Martin, what a great listen.
So the dog Aired thing I found out why she
kind of rolled with that. She's someone who turns over
the corners of books of pages to mark her place. Yep,
doing that dog Ed thing, which if you've ever borrowed
a book from the library, you have to like really
refrain from trying to make yourself self do. But I

(01:49:38):
love that she's a real bookworm. She's a real wordsmith,
and she journals and always has a notebook with her.
And that song there feeling you can kind of get
that sense of a change of tide.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Yeah, like a.

Speaker 22 (01:49:50):
Sort of rolling sort of sound. And it is a
change of tide for her in respects to how she's
done this album so predominantly has had that folky girl
guitar soloist kind of thing going on. Right we're making
this album, she had like an open door policy, and
you'll hear it in some of the songs. There's almost
a jam session sound about it. Yeah, so other musicians

(01:50:13):
came in and joined her. The guitar got plugged in,
so she's gone electric and there's a more full sound
about it. There's more layering in that song there. There's
like the pedal steel guitar, which just has such a
cool sound to it. There's trumpets and sometimes sometimes I
it confused, you know when you hear a muted trumpet

(01:50:35):
sound and then you're like, but is it also like
a slide guitar?

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:50:41):
There's kind of like that kind of clever sound and
hates a really cool percussion. So on an Instagram, if
you get a chance to look at Billy Martin, there,
she's got some of the studio sessions showing off the
recording of a percussion and there's like these big they
look like fire when people go out and do street performing.

Speaker 6 (01:50:58):
They've got those big.

Speaker 22 (01:50:59):
Fire poles, but it's got like the shakers on the
end of it to get this really big sound. There's
there's like wooden blocks that are all set up in
horseshoes and they're tapping it and making all So what
I love about seeing that kind of thing is that
then you listen to the music again and you're like, oh, yeah,
I can hear that now, Like all these really cool,
very interesting, sometimes eclectic sort of sounds that can come

(01:51:22):
in amongst her really folky, cool guitar kind of sound
that she's going on this album to me sounds very confidence,
Like she's kind of said herself, she's shaking off that
feel of childhood and youth and she's really moving forward
into her adulthood. This is someone who's pretty much been
writing music and releasing music since is fourteen, Yeah, so

(01:51:44):
it's been over a decade.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
So she kind of the voice reminds me a little
bit of Laura Marling. She does have that kind of
and you know, given she was doing a lot of
sing a songwriter stuff, kind of slightly yes folky, you know,
you can kind of see.

Speaker 22 (01:52:02):
That tonal quality and then that real it's quite a confident,
grounded sort of voice. And I always think it's amazing
to have established that so young in your career and
the music that you're making. That she's really found that,
and you're right, it is quite similar to that. And
then if you want to go back even further, you know,
when like if you hear someone like Shania Twain just

(01:52:22):
through some of her acoustic stuff, they have that similar
kind of quality and sound in their voices again where
they've just had to really if you've just got your
guitar in your voice, you kind of really have to
hone those skills right in that draft and it brings
that real warmness. Yeah, there's this real warm tonal quality.
There's a couple of songs where she kind of does

(01:52:42):
that weird like it's off key or kind of like
that minor key sound and amongst these quirky little percussiony bits,
and it's really clever and just such a super easy
listen the entire album. It's kind of chill and quiet
at times, like she's not forcing anything out. It's just
flowing so nice. But it's also an album you could

(01:53:05):
crank up and fill the whole house Swiss and I
kind of like that, like you could really absorb yourself
and sink into what she's doing. And I think the
big credit there is just that she does have such
a wonderful voice. Yeah, yeah, so whatever else is going
on around that, you really do fall into her voice
quite easy, if you really want to get a sense
of the full jam session sound. The end track is

(01:53:27):
called swing Okay, and it really is is a great
way to end the album. It sounds like everyone's just
come along with whatever they've found in their boot and
they're like, let's just put some layers and interesting stuff
to this. And I really I love that sound. I
think that's a really cool thing for her to be, like,
I want to do something a little bit different. It
might also make you want to go back into her

(01:53:48):
back catalog and listen to some of her more folky
kind of stuff. And yeah, I think this I've just
really and I've really loved this album. I like pretty
much every song. They can't kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Like, yeah, I mean it sounds great. I'm looking forward
to having listen to it because sounds fantastic. So Doggie
by Billy Martin, what'd you give it?

Speaker 22 (01:54:07):
I'm going there again?

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Here we go. No, I love it? You no great? No, no,
it is no one with that. It's good. We love
a bit of positivity on a Saturday morning. Yeah, okay,
you'll enjoy it. We'll pick out a good track to
play in a couple of minutes. Thanks to Stelle. Catching
again very soon. A Stelle Clifford Our music reviewer. Ten
out of ten. She reckons doggyed by Billy Martin is worth.
It's eight to twelve on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Cracking.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Team
News Talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
What Jacob Fine is taking on a very importantness if
in New Zealand sports fans right after the midday news
on weekend sport, how do we fix netballs woes? That
is us though, for another Saturday morning together. Thank you
very much for sending through all your feedback this morning,
your texts and your emails. Don't forget that For everything
from our show, you can go to Newstalks edb dot

(01:54:56):
co dot nz Forward slash Jack. If you ever miss
some of the show as well, you can download the
show as a podcast from my Heart Radio as well.
Thanks to my wonderful producer, Libby the Pride of Yorkshire
for all of her hard work. This morning and we're
gonna leave you with another daughter of Yorkshire. This is
Billy Martin. Her new album's Doggyed and the song's called Cram.

(01:55:18):
I'll see you next week.

Speaker 15 (01:55:19):
You are in me, you are in me. The gids
it's in shape and I am a friend.

Speaker 14 (01:55:35):
Hello the girds.

Speaker 23 (01:55:40):
Its shame, I am a friend. She drinks mole and

(01:56:11):
I went her craw ows. The rains me every day.
I'll do myself with every strain. Don't push it now,
I'm choking. Minute you're gone.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
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