Full Show Podcast: 02 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Calton, New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to news doorgs ZEDV.
Jack Tame in the hot seat with you this Saturday morning,
and we have a stupendous show lined up for you today.
It's a real potpourri this morning's offerings.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
We have.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Just nothing major, nothing to get too excited about. Just
the secret to living a longer life. I promise we're
not going to be asking you to give us five
payments of ninety nine ninety five or anything like that.
We're going to take a look at the Earth's blue
zones this morning, these little parts of these little pockets
around the world where, for whatever reason, larger numbers of
people make it to one hundred years old. So we

(00:59):
mentioned these a couple of weeks ago. Now we've got
a bit more detail, a bit more data on it
for you, So we're going to share some of those
secrets very shortly. As well as that feature interview after
ten o'clock this morning is none other than Kiwi Hollywood
legend Cliff Curtis. He is one of the stars, one
of the several Kiwi stars in the new Jason momoora
series that is on Apple TV Plus. The series is

(01:22):
called Chief of War and it has got all of
the glitzy kind of production values that you would expect
from Apple TV Plus. So Cliff Curtis is going to
be with us right after the ten o'clock news this morning.
Cannot wait for that right now, it's eight minutes past nine.
Back team, Are you better off than you were two
years ago? Are you bathing in the soothing waters of

(01:44):
the long promised economic recovery? Is your future more secure?
Is your food more affordable? Your insurance your rates? Is
your roads smoother? Are your children better educated? Is your
water less polluted? Or do you think that some of
our most senior leaders time and attention is better used

(02:07):
fussing over measures like the order of words on our
passports and the transfer of payWave fees from a surcharge
to the main bill. The latest folly announced by our
foreign minister, on a week in which Gaza was stricken
by a starvation in the US, thanked US for opening
an FBI office here by increasing proposed trade tariffs seeks

(02:30):
to enshrine the name New Zealand in law. Ah, yes,
what a pressing issue. Tell you what between that and
the passport reordering, those tens or hundreds of thousands of
kids have fled to Australia are going to be clamoring
over one another to get back home asap. Here's my
view on the name of our country. Call it what

(02:53):
you want. You want to call it alter or, fine,
you want to call it New Zealand. Fine. You want
to combine the two alter or New Zealand, fine, go
for it, you do you The thing about language is
it's fluid, right, It does change over time. There's a
good reason we don't all speak in Shakespeareian pros and

(03:15):
it has nothing to do with compulsion. To those who
say an increasing use of alteraor is some sort of
an affront to our collective values as a nation, well,
I would have thought that freedom of expression is a
value much more worthy of protection and for what it's worth.
If New Zealand first was trying to enshrine the name
alter Or in law, I would have the same response.

(03:40):
One of the justifications given for this member's bill is
that using alteror threatens end z inc our international brand.
Let me ask, is there any evidence that our exporters
are being compelled en mass to send their products overseas
with the name Altor instead of New Zealand. Who, pray tell,
is risking that international brand value by forcing this change

(04:03):
on the packaging of our top products. I'd suggest it's
a pretty unsophisticated exporter who would voluntarily confuse their international customers.
Or you know, maybe this just isn't really a big deal.
I've a real distaste for performative politics that either drum

(04:25):
up angst about a problem that doesn't exist, or do
something symbolic at the expense of real action. So I
never cared, for example, for the trend of counsels and
governments declaring climate emergencies so bravely patting themselves on the
back while simultaneously doing nothing new in a policy sense.
There is a very simple way to see through this

(04:48):
specific bill. Just consider the timing. If the name of
New Zealand is seriously so threatened that we need to
enshrine it in law, why did New Zealand first introduce
this bill twelve months ago? Why not three years ago?
Why not negotiat in the coalition agreement when they formed
a government. You see, my instinct with this kind of

(05:11):
move is always the same. Don't ask what does this
achieve or why is this an issue? Instead ask what
are they trying to distract us from? Is it the
MECH jobs report, the lame economic growth figures, the gang
numbers taking over ten thousand for the first time ever
this week? Or could it possibly be the fact that

(05:31):
a few hours before the New Zealand Name of State
Member's Bill was announced, Australia and the UK achieved comparatively
lower trade tariffs with the US, while our government's top
trade and diplomatic officials were apparently surprised to learn that
our tariff had been increased. Actually, you know, come to

(05:53):
think of it, maybe we should call ourselves altor who knows,
it might have confused Donald Trump just long enough to
keep us at ten percent. Jack Team text number if
you want to send us a message this morning, don't
forget that. If you're sending me a text standard text
cost supply, you can email me as well if you like.

(06:13):
Jack at Newstalks dB dot co dot nz. Before ten
o'clock this morning. Tis the season for hot apple pies.
Oh my goodness, I actually came home last night that
you know that there are a few like pleasures or
joys in life, like walking through the door on a
cold winter's evening, the front door, opening the door, and
you feel the kind of pressure change and you'll hit

(06:35):
with the smell of warm apples baking. My wife had
made a delicious apple and rubab crumble last night. And
you know that just that first second or two as
you push open the door and you're surprised by that smell.
Oh my goodness, that is glory right there. Kevin, Melon's
gonna kick us off next. It's thirteen past night, It's
Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame and this is news doalg zedb.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jacky Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks V being
minutes fast nine.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
On News storks eDV. Yes, the flood of texts come
and Jack totally disagree with you. Put it to a referendum. Jack,
you're on point this morning. I agree. It's just a
distractionary effort at a time when there are much more
pressing issues. Ninety two ninety two. If you want to
see me a message this morning, Jack at Newstalks. EDB
dot co dot nz is the email address. Hey, this
Chief of War series, this Jason Mamore series in which

(07:27):
Cliff Curtis and Tim Wedder Morrison and Lucian Buchanan, all
these key we actors are starring. One of the things
that makes it really interesting is that Jason Mamore, in
producing it, said that he it was really important to
him that as much of the series as possible was
done in the indigenous Hawaiian language. And so you've got
these keywactors, some of whom will have heard, you know,

(07:49):
and know a fair bit of Maudi, who are then
having to speak in a Hawaiian language, which is really intriguing.
I don't actually think there are there are heaps of
Hawaiian language speakers in the world. So it's one of
the you know, one of the curious little details about
this Chief of War production that I'm going to ask
Cliff Curtis about. After ten o'clock this morning, right now,
those seventeen past nine and Kevin Melon's here with us

(08:11):
this morning.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Killd to Kevin Jack, you're more than one point You're
on fire this morning.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
That was terrific.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Wow, you obviously don't have access to our text machine
at the moment. Kevin, I'm not sure you hold the
consensus view, but that's all right, it's a yeah. I
just think my you know, I just think if you
if you want to call any own, if you want
to call all good and I just think there are
so many issues that are more worthy of you know,

(08:38):
of time and attention at the moment that you know,
maybe even me mentioning that this morning means I'm getting
sucked into the vortex. I can't I can't resist it anyway, Kevin,
you are planning a trip to London.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, I've got a trip to London coming up,
essentially to see two of our boys, Alex and Jake
and their home patch. Jake manages a Danish pub in
London's x Smouth Market. It belongs to Rick Astley. Story
in himself a huge hit in nineteen eighty seven, Never
Going to Give You Up number one and twenty five

(09:13):
countries at the time. Astrey's career was revitalized by the
random appearance of a Rick rolling meme on the Internet
using the video for Never Going to Give You Up,
which spread all over the world. Rick Castrees has now
reached one point six billion views on YouTube. Anyway, even

(09:34):
if I don't knock into Wreck, I'm keen to see
Jake's Scandinavian design pub and the in house brewery. I
might have a bear there my other son, as I've
told you about where it's for a coffee company that
trains selected crims to become barristas before their release. So
I may get to prison while I'm over there. Something
very special about the trip, sort of the last minute thing.

(09:56):
We're zipping over to visit the New Zealand wargraves of
Belgium and France to paid tribute to two great uncles,
identical twins, Leo and Lawrence Donahue, killed in World War One,
just twenty one years old. This is a long time
ambition of mine. I didn't think we'd be able to
fit it in, but it's so easy. From London. We're

(10:17):
hiring a driver guy who picks you up off the
Eurostar train from London in Leale, France, and drives its
straight to the war cemeteries you want to visit and
back to catch a London train afterwards. That's if you
want to go back that same day. We're staying a
second day in Belgium to catch a bit of atmosphere,
staying at the Novertel Flounders clutch the odd ring about

(10:42):
it anyway, I mentioned the trip to the Wargraves because
I know a lot of Keyws that came to pay
respects to their relations killed in Europe. It is so
easy out of London if you just had to be
there for work, or you're passing through on a bigger trip.
I'm using info at to explore dot B. That's info

(11:07):
at two. That's the number two. Explore two, not an
e in expor so it's two x p l O
R E dot b E Belgium. But there are other
excellent sites to jack.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
But yeah, it sounds amazing, Kevin, I'm deeply envious. So
just just remind me of my geography here. Right if
you go across, you go across the channel, or you
go to the channel right and then lel is in
the north of France, right like right up by the
Belgian border. A so you're actually instead of going all

(11:42):
the way to Paris, can you get off the train
before getting to Paris?

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Well well before then? Yeah, right, yeah, really about it.
It's a two and a half hour trip to Lele
from London and one only one train, so you so
it's on the main it's on the main route.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's like going from Wellington to Paris and north or something.
It is. This is the thing I'm always I always
love about Europe, you know, and the thing that when
you know, when you're a key, we often like distances
are all relative, you know, and and it's one of
the things in this part of the world, you know,
one of the great things, and sometimes that the trickier
things that we're generally so far from everywhere and when

(12:20):
you're in that part of the world is the opposite.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, and in a weird way, over there, everything smaller
than New Zealand, you know, I mean getting places in
New Zealand is a big, big trip because we're a long,
skinny country. But over there, yeah, it's It did astound
me that you could go and see two gray two
war cemeteries, one in France, one in Belgium, and be

(12:44):
back on the train to go back to London, should
you want to that sort of sweet somebody picking you
up at the railway station in a van and if
you go on day a van a beer.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing. I reckon it'll be quite an
emotional thing seeing your graves like that.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Moving well when you hit off, Kevin, So we go
off and about a week Oh very good. All right, well,
looking forward to hearing about that. You have to have
to tell us about how it goes, because I think, yeah,
a lot a lot of people will be similarly interested
in following your trip. Thank you very much. Keep a
milm with us this morning before ten o'clock this morning.
We've got two films to recommend when our film reviewer

(13:28):
joins us, and one of them is opening the New
Zealand International Film Festival, which is a bit of a
coup because it won the Palm d'Or at Cahn, which
is the big Ula La prize at the Big Ula
La Festival, and they've got it at the New Zealand
International Film Festival. So I'm going to give you a
bit of detail about that very shortly. Right now, it
is twenty three minutes past nine our sport overs here.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Next getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
There'd be twenty five minutes past nine on News Talks.
He'd be Jack spot On with so many teens or
hundreds of thousands of people needing food banks just to
get by at the moment. This is just a silly distractions,
is Harry Jack. If it's so unimportant, why are you
talking about it? Yeah, I think guilty is charged there,
guilty is charged. I'm not taking my own advice on
this one, am I Jack. A totally disingenuous monologue by

(14:22):
you on the use of alter or in New Zealand
this morning. This is not a new perspective by New
Zealand Erson Winston Peter's. No, it's not a new perspective
at all. It's totally true. It's been their policy for
some time. So why did they introduce the bill yesterday?
Why did they wait until yeesterday? Why didn't they do
it twelve months ago or eighteen months ago? Yeah? Anyway,

(14:46):
ninety two ninety two. If you want to send me
a message right now, it's twenty six minutes past nine
on news talks, he'd be our sporto is Andrew Seville
and he is worth us this morning.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Good morning sir, In morning Jack, I'm still getting over
the end of that warrior is going.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Oh my word, about a new way to lose. No,
I know, it's just so frustrating. So twenty eighteen down
to the Dolphins. A couple of injury concerns now as
well as just yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
They've done so well to stay in the game and
claw their way back a little bit sort of a
to and fro game. It was an entertaining game, yeah close,
and there were some star turns from the Warriors. Lequa
Hack Alasima again and others are the few other new
names new faces. But yep, a couple more injuries and

(15:37):
I've now excuse me.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
They've now had.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Two wins out of their last six, which pretty much
coincided with the injuries to Luke Metcalf and Mitch Barnett.
So injuries are always going to test sports teams out,
and this is certainly what this is doing to the Warriors. Look,
all sides in the RL have injuries to cope with,
but this is a real, real test of the Warrior's

(16:00):
depths are still in force, so it's not the end
of the world just yet. The Broncos of breeding down
their neck to points back and the Panthers are three
points back, but they have a game in hand. So
the benwith Panthers are lurking with intend as well. I'd
be very surprised if the Warriors finish in the top four.
Now they've got fight games to go. They should win

(16:21):
two or three out of those five, but it might
not be enough to.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
So where are they on the table right now? Do
you know?

Speaker 6 (16:27):
I'm still fourth?

Speaker 7 (16:28):
Still fourth?

Speaker 6 (16:30):
But the Broncos won last night they are two points back.
The Panthers are still to play this weekend are three
points back. So you'd imagine that'd lift.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Up to twenty nine, just behind the Warriors.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Yeah, they've got a pretty good run home, but they
play the Bulldogs and Sydney next week. I don't I
don't think they'll win that. The Dragons and Eels at
home and then the Titans and Manly away in those
last five games, so they'll probably need to win four
out of five to keep the fourth position. But that

(17:01):
is a that is a real long stretcher.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, I'll tell you what, as it is a very
keen cricket fan, even I found it a little bit
difficult to get excited about. Yeah, look nine in front
of zero people.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
Yeah, inside three days there were some there were some
strong performances. Matt Henry nine nine to ninety. I think
a match figures were some decent batting at the top
of the order, but yeah, Zimbabwe aren't up to much,
so you'd imagine that the black Caps have rolled them
again in the second Test. It's good experience for some

(17:35):
of the younger guys in this team with n z
cricket going through a bit of a transition phase in
the top side, with a number of big names missing
and having retired or left international cricket. So win's a win,
good start for the new coach again. They won that
T twenty series now they've cleaned out in Zimbabwe, so

(17:56):
a pretty good way to start.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, a good way to start again. Injury injury concerns
which a little bit of a worry, but I mean,
you know, yeh better be on that side of the equation.
I just not sure that the excitement and bull away
of the Second Test is going to be.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Every night now.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Somebody making the Phoenix women's new.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Coach interesting A priestman. That name will be familiar to
a lot of people. She was the Canadian national coach
at the Olympics last year and the Canadians decided to
put up a drone and spy on the Kiwi football ferns.
This was a huge story at the time. She was
banned for a year she was in charge of the

(18:37):
Canadian team. As it turned out after investigation, she had
ordered the drone to be put up. A year ban
from all football. Now she's been hired by the Phoenix.
Look a massive, massive mistake and there's always going to
be a blot on Priestman's CV. But then if you
look at her CV, it's outstanding. She helped the Canadians.

(18:58):
She coached the Canadians to gold at the twenty twenty Olympics.
She's coached in the England under seventeens, she's helped coach
the full England women's square odd So for results and
for experience, the Phoenix probably couldn't have got a better
coach from anywhere in the world. She's married to a
key where she's worked in the New Zealand system before,

(19:19):
so it's it's it's a perfect signing if you can
get past the fact that the that she helped the
Canadians or was the boss of the Canadians when when
they when they tried to cheat.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yes, well, and you know that she'll go to you
know she'll push.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Strength well well.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
The other day in her first press compere she fronted
she answered a lot of questions about that, about that issue,
that time and history and her year ban and now
for her, I'm sure it's time to move on and
try and make this Phoenix women's team, which, let's face it, Jack,
along with the football ferns, that the women's Phoenix side

(19:58):
the shop window is the shop window for women's football
in this country. They they haven't had a huge amount
of success so far. Are in the history so BI priestsmen.
I'm sure we'll try to change it. And I've signed
this outstanding player of your experienced player c J. Bock
to come home from overseas and play for the Phoenix

(20:18):
woman So things are looking up on that front.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah. Hey, do you know the Midford sisters? Who's sorry,
the Midford sisters.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
I know, I know Mumford and sons.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
No, I'd love to say close, but you're just not.
I can't impress upon you. How not close? Yeah, no, no,
let's forget that. Don't worry about it. It's just totally fine.
We've got this show we're going to tell you about

(20:49):
after ten o'clock this morning. The focuses on the Medphord Sicists.
I think they were like there were kind of an
aristocratic family in the UK, and they had these amazing lives,
like some of them were communists and some of them
were Fascist, and there was all sorts of drama about
various relationships and all sorts of things. There's a new
show about them that I thought might entertaining, thinking that
you're a student of history here for a moment, SEV

(21:11):
apparently yeah, yeah, yeah, they have a great weekend. We'll
catch you again very soon. Thank you for our sporto
Andrew Saville there before teen o'clock. We've got that fantastic
recipe for you as well, that individual apple pie recipe
that I reckon is going to hit the spot on
a cold winter's night. Although as we said, I think
the forecast around the country this weekend is almost is

(21:33):
like fantastic, right, certainly compared to the last few weeks. Still,
if it gets kind of frosty, so frosted, perfect perfect
recipe for a frosty night, I reckon we'll share that
with you very shortly. Twenty seven to ten on Newstalks V.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
The Snake Case, Where is it thought?

Speaker 9 (22:05):
Resiss.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
This is Chapel roan hotly anticipated new track off the
back of one of the craziest years of Chapel Roan's life.
So she blew up. She was everywhere. Has been kind
of hard to escape her, and she isn't stopping twenty
four to ten on Newstooks. He'd be time to catch
up with our film reviewer Francesca Rudkin for her picks
this weekend, More Dinner, Good morning. Okay, two very different

(22:30):
kind of films for us today, which is a great thing.
Let's start off with the film opening the New Zealand
International Film Festival, tell us about It was just an accident.

Speaker 9 (22:39):
This is a film by Jeffer Panahee and he is
an Iranian filmmaker. He makes very heartful, heartfelt human stories
about life in a run. He calls them social films.
The rating calls them proper candor against the system. He
has been imprisoned twice. First in he was on his own,

(23:00):
the second time he was with a group of political presidents.
He's done a hunger strike here to sell his home
to make bail. He's banned from making movies and he's
also banned actually from talking about them. But he keeps
making films and he continues to live in Iran because
that is his home and the experience that he had

(23:23):
in prison has very much inspired this story. He's had
a travel band plased on him for about fifteen years,
but that was lifted and he was able to travel
to France earlier in the year where this film it
was just an accident, played in competition at the can
Film Festival. It won the tarn Draw the top prize,
and I can totally see why it is. It is entertaining,

(23:45):
but it's thought provoking and chilling, and it really is
quite wonderful. I'd just like to say straight up, Jack,
some people might be going an Iranian film. The last
Aranian film I watched with two and a half hours long.
Can I just say this is a really great one hour.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Forty Okay, good, Yeah, this is the films before.

Speaker 9 (24:07):
And it's a great get for them to have the
storm to open it really epanastics. It starts off, as
I mentioned, as a bit of a comedy. There's a
lot of black humor. He set our vain character and
one night he's working at a garage and one night
a family breaks down outside his garage. And I ask
for help. And when he comes, when the gentleman comes in,

(24:30):
he recognizes the squeak of his false legs to be
that of the intelligence officer who interrogated him and talked
with him while he was in prison. And he just
has this moment and he hears his voice and he's
short as him. So he follows some homes if he lives,

(24:51):
and then he cannot get this out of his mind.
He's closed them. The next day and he gets an
opportunity to hit him with a fand so he hits
him with a fand he puts them in the van
and then he takes them out to the desert where
he plans to bury him. But then he has a
little moment where he goes bury him alive, hang on
about it, a better check he is the right person.
And so then we go off on this wonderful little

(25:11):
journey as he picks up other political business who have
been released to try and identify this character. Is he
really the intelligence officer who ruined so many of their
lives and tortured them and things. So it's wonderfully, it's wonderfully,
it's humorous, and they do it does beautiful, but As
the film goes on, it gets more and more serious
and it sort of leads to this, and it becomes

(25:32):
a bit of a thriller and in a way a
bit of a horror, and it leads to this very
tension field explosive in there where you're not quite sure
how things are going to go. It really is absolutely
fantastic and an incredible look at sort of the reality
of life and around very intimate Jack because obviously he
cannot go out and make it obvious to everybody. He's

(25:53):
making a film. A lot of a lot of the
you know, the shots are the film is shot from
inside a van or quite interior locations or quite quiet locations.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's not a they're setting up, blocking off a few
streets and having big rigs and that kind of thing.

Speaker 9 (26:09):
No, No, that really adds to it and it kind
of brings you into these people's story. So yeah, it's
absolutely fantastic. We're seeing at the festival. I'm pretty sure
we'll come back at some point to general release, but
the festival screenings will be full and it is a
wonderful film to see surround us.

Speaker 10 (26:25):
I love people. No.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I saw that at one at carn and once the
Film Festival.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
I just thought, oh my gosh, I gotta go and
see that. Sounds amazing. So that is it was just
an accident showing at the New Zealand International Film Festival.
Next up, like I said, something completely different, the story
of friend of the Show Dave Fishwick, who of course
we interviewed when Bank of Dave one was introduced. This
is Bank of Dave two. I'm dere do I know you?

Speaker 11 (26:51):
The Bank of deav of Dave, Dad Guilty's job?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Okay? Tell us about a Francisco okay.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
So this is another predictable but lovely story of Burnley
businessman who sold bands, of course, and as you will
know Jack, he sort of took on the banks by
starting his own community bank, Bank a Day so the
little people were able to get loans. And in this
particular story, he is We've got a very similar narrative.
He is taking on the payday lenders, you know, the
online venders who charge a fortune and insurance and we're

(27:29):
ruining people's lives in the community. So once again Joe
steps up to help these ordinary people, vulnerable people whose
lives have been you know, really affected by this, and
he wants to do something about it, and so off
he goes. But the Payday members they fight back and
they fight dirty, and there is sort of a connection
to American businessmen and ties to organized crime. But essentially

(27:50):
it really does unfold very much like the first film.
But I think it's all about the performances and they
are very heartfelt and Rory Kinnear as Dave is absolutely fabulous,
And there's something a little bit special about knowing that
this guy really does exist and that people can stand
up and you know that it is based loosely on

(28:13):
a true story that you know people can make an
impact and stand up for look after their community. So yeah,
it's a little bit it's a bit nicer fair than
our first film.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Nothing wrong with that. Do you enjoy weird joy arrange?
This is what we love, Francisca. I try, That's why
trying to bring you Jack very good. Hey, dere, I
ask you, you've got a busy day today.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
Induction huh oh.

Speaker 9 (28:37):
Stop it hang on.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
When I say induction, people are going to thinking on
what's she being induced for? No, no, no, no, no
no no no no, you're getting confused. Do you mind
telling us what you're heading off?

Speaker 9 (28:46):
To do today. Well, I love to do pottery. Jack,
thank you for bringing this up.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Good my little hobbit.

Speaker 12 (28:53):
Don't know.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
About a year ago, I decided I needed to do something,
create it, and I wanted to create things with my hands.
So I go to the Clay Center. I've been doing
classes at the Clay Center and I absolutely love it,
and I've just come off the waiting list to become
a member, and I'm I'm gonna be able to be
able to go in there whenever I want and make
a huge mess with clay, which is essentially what I do.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Ah fun, that'd be great.

Speaker 11 (29:14):
Enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
We'll be thinking of you, looking forward to your next
creations and we'll catch again next week.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
Thanks Jack.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
That is Francisca Rudkin, our film reviewers. So those films
once again, it was just an accident. Open the New
Zealand International Film Festival. That is showing in cinemas. Bank
of Dave two, The Lone Ranger is on Netflix. Is
it Dave Fishick or Dave Fishwick. It's fish Wik, I
think ay, but you know it's one of those. It's
like the name Warwick. You know how some people look

(29:44):
at the name Warwick and they go Warwick Dave.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
So it's f I s h.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I think we've got that, but that's fish and then
wic kick fish Wik Dave Fishwick as opposed to Phish. Yeah,
I'm sticking with Fishwick. Bank of Dave two is on
Netflix right now at sixteen to ten Saturday.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through the
weekend talks.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
It'd be by now it's fourteen to ten on news Talks.
He'd be Nicki wis as our cook and she's here
with us this morning.

Speaker 13 (30:12):
Killed Yeah, whatever, Jacky.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So you know, do you know that feeling you we're
talking pies talk me apple pies specifically. I was just
saying at the start of the show this morning, I
had one of the you know, those like joyous moments
in life, and they are all too fleeting. When you
get home on a cold night, it's dark outside, you've
had a long day, and then you open the door,
and you know, sometimes when you open the door, you
sort of feel the pressure change a little bit, and

(30:38):
so you get you get hit with a burst of
air from inside, and of course inside it was nice
and hot inside our house. I'd park my bike under
the house I've been freezing cold. My knuckles were white.
And as I as I pushed open the front door,
I was hit with that sort of change in pressure,
and I could smell the rhubarb and apple tart or
rubarb and apple crumble that my wife had in the oven,

(30:59):
and I was just like, you know, heaven is a
place on earth, you know, and she in your house. Yeah, yeah,
And she'd be the first to admit she's not someone
who leans into a lot of cooking, is there a little,
but she was just in the mood yesterday she'd gone
and got some rhubarb, oh my goodness, and a rhubarb
and apple crumble.

Speaker 13 (31:20):
Just you know, it's just the best.

Speaker 14 (31:22):
And at this time of the year, we don't have
loads of fruit to choose from, do we. But and
that's when I think apples come into their own. You know,
there's something like a fresh apple when they when they
are just freshly picked, but they store so well. And
and same with rhubarb, and so you think about those
two that just kind of get us through winters.

Speaker 13 (31:40):
Glorious.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
So, anyway, the point was that it's it's the perfect
time of year to give the person in your life
that similar wonderful feeling, and I reckon that apple apple
pies could be the way to do it.

Speaker 13 (31:53):
It could be the way to do it.

Speaker 14 (31:54):
I mean, this week, you know, we've seen our Supreme
Pie of the New Zealand Supreme Pie Award was announced
and it wasn't an apple pie. But I thought our
listeners could just go to the Rosedale Bakery and get
what did win, which was this potato topped pie.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
It looks so good. It looks so good with the
kind of grattan in the middle.

Speaker 14 (32:16):
It has a sort of a punched out dome of
gritan in the middle of the whipped potato. There's still
a meat filling under there. Do not fear Hints of rosemary,
hints of a roast dinner. Absolutely amazing. I liked the
little stamp because when I first saw it come out,
I thought, oh, you know that sort of very posh

(32:37):
dish that you can have a piece of bone with
bone marrow in it. Sometimes, you know, they'll put that
in the middle of a pie or a lamb shank
pie that's got the big.

Speaker 13 (32:45):
Bone sticking out. It kind of reminded me of that.
But the taste of the grattan as well as the
whipped potato. It was just phenomenal. It was so great.

Speaker 14 (32:54):
Far too fatty at home to do, I've got to say.
So I have got quite possibly the simplest part. And
this is a recipe from my mum, bless her, and
there's just you know, there's just nothing in it other
than fruit and pastry and I just love that.

Speaker 13 (33:13):
So look, here you go. It is just an apple pie.

Speaker 14 (33:16):
And I've made six individual ones of these, and the
big sort of Texan muffin tins, so that's slightly bigger
than a muffinton.

Speaker 13 (33:22):
They're usually quite big.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
So you can make a.

Speaker 13 (33:24):
Little pie in it, which is great.

Speaker 14 (33:25):
Ovens on two hundred degrees, which is quite high, but
that's because we're using a short crust pastry. Throw in
an oven tras we want. Of course, always cook pies
on another tray that is nice and hot, because that
gives you that lovely cooked bottom on it, which is great.
And here's what we do with the apples. I just
love this recipe. Kilogram of apples, Granny Smith. You just

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can't go past them. Peel those, slice them up, don't
put the caws in, and then also place a one
cup of water into a saucepan with the lid on
and gently cook them for about fifteen minutes, Jack, and
they'll retain these shape, they won't tune up into a
big fluffy pulp. That's the benefit of cooking with Granny Smiths.
And then you drain those in a colander and reserve

(34:09):
the juice, which you then can boil separately for a
little apple syrup if you'd like.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
And I really love that.

Speaker 14 (34:15):
My mother's recipe specifically says, please note apples do not
need added sugar, as they are sweet enough.

Speaker 13 (34:23):
And I love that because I think the temptation would better.
I what about the sugar in the air. I don't
need it, You absolutely don't, you know, So I love that.

Speaker 14 (34:30):
Cool the apples completely, because you really don't want to
be putting warm filling into a pastry.

Speaker 13 (34:36):
Roll your pastry out a little.

Speaker 14 (34:38):
Bit thinner than it comes if you're buying those sheets
of sweet pastry, if you're buying a block or your choice,
and fill those that the sweet short pastry is very
short and it doesn't want to be heated up, So
move kind of quickly and winters a great time for
doing this because your bench is cold, your.

Speaker 13 (34:53):
Hands are cold.

Speaker 14 (34:54):
You want to line those big muffin hole muffinton holes.
Patch up any tears or holes that you know that
have happened.

Speaker 13 (35:01):
That's okay.

Speaker 14 (35:02):
Fill the three quarters with the cold apple and then
cover with a pastry lid, pinching the sides, use a
really sharp knife to make a nice little cross on
the top so that lets the steam out, and then
you'll get a lovely sort of buttery, crispy top. If
you like it, it'll be biscuity rather than soggy. Bake
them on the hot tray for about twenty five minutes,
maybe near the bottom of the oven, so you make

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sure that that bottom really does cook.

Speaker 13 (35:25):
It should be a really lovely golden color.

Speaker 14 (35:28):
Having judged those awards this year, I can say that
people tend to even bakers, tend to undercook pastry. So
wait till it really does take on that golden color
because it needs it needs good cooking.

Speaker 13 (35:41):
And then take them out of that.

Speaker 14 (35:42):
You can dust them with ice and sugar if you like,
and then you get the chance to add anything sweet
with them.

Speaker 13 (35:46):
So a warm apple pie with ice cream. Just a vanilla,
just a vanilla, don't go craapy clouds of whooped cream or.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Just a little bit of crunch on the side deck.

Speaker 13 (35:57):
We'll grunt you that that's more like a toffee apple
sort of situation.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I love it.

Speaker 14 (36:01):
Maybe a sprinkle of cinnamon on top of those, and
maybe that apple syrup as well.

Speaker 13 (36:06):
Perfect, you're going to love them. That's my pie of
the year.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yum. It sounds so good. Hey do you think have
you tried that? The the old you know, the ultimate
Ladi Da? What's the official title?

Speaker 8 (36:18):
Best?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And you know I certainly did. I was part of
the judging pond. There was something with the judges and stuff.

Speaker 13 (36:26):
No, I absolutely tried it.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
So obviously you you recommend it. But is it gonna
be one of these situations where we're not going to
be able to get the pie for six months now
because they're going to be sold out every single day.

Speaker 14 (36:36):
Well it's really funny because you know, any pie that
had any level of detail amongst us judges where we
were like, all these people are really going to regret
this if they're having to make me look people that
the bakers that are producing these pies are producing a
lot of them, because pies in fact are quite hard
to make money out of so you've got to make
a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
So no, I think it's still worth it.

Speaker 14 (36:57):
I mean, maybe given a week or two and then
hit up to the Rosedale Bakery and Cafe and I
think you'll be all right and it's worth the trip.

Speaker 13 (37:03):
I mean, it really is.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
It's just you know, I just saw that photo of
the cross section, you know, the play, and I was like,
oh my god, it was it was like, what's going on.

Speaker 13 (37:12):
There's also a little bit of a bechamelle sort of
well scullo.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
So good, all right, Hey, thank you very much. We
will make sure that amazing sounding recipe for your individual
apple pies is up on the news talks heb website.
Everything from the show goes up there. You know, the deal,
News Talks, heb dot co dot z Forward slash Jack.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Inside Scoop on all you need to know Saturday Morning
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Speaker 2 (37:39):
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Speaker 3 (37:41):
Five on News Talks, he' be. It is that time
of the year when things can get a little bit
lean in the garden, not just in terms of produce,
although my citrus is absolutely crushing it at the moment,
but in terms of nutrient deficiencies. Right, things can get
a little bit tough. So before before eleven o'clock, a
man in the garden is going to give us his
top tips on making sure that the plants in your

(38:02):
garden are getting the nutrients they need at this time
of year. Plus, right after the ten o'clock News, cannot
wait for this our feature interview this morning. Kee We
Hollywood legend Cliff Curtis. He is one of the stars
of the new Chief of War series that is streaming
on Apple TV plus. This has been headed up by
Jason Moremore. It kind of tells a story of the

(38:24):
reunification of Hawaii, or the bloody reunification of Hawaii. It's
an historical drama. It's violent, it's moving, and a lot
of it was filmed in New Zealand. They actsally filmed
PEPs of it in the Bay of Island, so when
you're watching it, it's one of those kind of crazy
things we like.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
Hang on.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
This all seems very familiar. Cliff Curtis is going to
be with us right after the teanclock News Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Tayane. It's a pleasure to be with you.
This is News Talks.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
He'd be.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Cracking. Way to start your Saturday. Saturday Morning with Jack
Tame News Talks, The.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yod No, good morning, Welcome to News Talks at be
with Jack Tame. From Rotru to the World. Cliff Curtis
is a homegrown Hollywood legend known for his skill of metamorphosis,
calfing out credits, and a mixture of major franchises and
more personal productions. His most recent projects feels like a

(39:53):
bit of a blend of both. Let's have a listen
to Apple TV Plus's new series Chief of War.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Just Island. This is your home. This land will hold you.

Speaker 9 (40:13):
How long after I am gone?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Tell me of the outside world.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
This strange.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
The pale skin honors no gods of land.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
It will be coming soon.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
That is Chief of War. Cliff Curtis is starring in
the series, produced and also starring, produced by, and also
starring Jason Mamore. It tells the tale the turn of
the eighteenth century when the four kingdoms of Hawaii were
at war and Cliff Curtis is with us. Got a
good morning, Jack, Hey, congratulations and thank you for your
Thank you for your time with this. I mean, this

(40:57):
is an amazing story. And it's remarkable really because it's
a Polynesian story told from an indigenous perspective for a
global audience. So given your career, give in all the
roles you've had over the years, just how significant is that?

Speaker 8 (41:11):
It's very significant.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I mean, it's a it's a you know, as you know,
you've probably followed as a as a storyteller in the
screen industry for the last three.

Speaker 8 (41:22):
Decades at least.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
You know, we've managed to tell a variation of stories
from our small corner of the world. But you know,
this series when when led by the likes of Jason
more Moore and his co creator Thomas Park, they can
bring scale to the narrative, like they can really recreate

(41:45):
the scale and the majesty and the regal nature of
our ancestry.

Speaker 8 (41:50):
And they've done an amazing job.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I'm very, very proud and humbled to be a part
of it, to be honest, that's that's very big for us.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
It's a big deal for us.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
It is a big deal, and it's such a powerful story.
But I think it's a great example of how sharing,
you know, Polynesian stories isn't just the right thing to do,
Like it's seriously entertaining as well, right, and and and
it feels like you've really struck that balance.

Speaker 8 (42:15):
Yeah, exactly, Well, I mean I don't.

Speaker 15 (42:18):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
I don't think as a mildly storyteller. I do it
because it's the right thing to do. As I do
because I'm passionate about it, and I want to do it.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
And if I'm.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Compelled to tell these stories because for my my self
insured reasons. But culturally we live in the context of
ancestors and descendants. You know, my own self es cents
are relatively minor compared to being of service to.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
Our EWI to our people.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Now, we want we want stories like this that can
inspire our future generations, not because we should, but because
it's something that just as in our as in our
life blood as human beings, to want to do so.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah, there are elements of the story that are so
familiar for an audience. But but for those of our
audience who haven't you seen Chief of War? Can you
can you give us a little bit of background without
without giving too much away? Can you can you kind
of set the context for us a little bit.

Speaker 8 (43:17):
Well, I think it's a classical story.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
I mean, it's true It's based on history, and it's
a story that I think we can recognize from many
great stories from any culture, which makes it human. You know,
there's a there's a there's a Chief of war played
by Jason Monmore.

Speaker 8 (43:40):
His name is cut Yana, and and they learn of
this this impending doom.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
There's this prophecy that a great wave of of of
the outside world is coming towards Hawaii. And he has
to leave the islands and go out to see what's
happening in the world. And he returns with technology and stories,
and and he he wants to change the way that
Hawaii is. And he campaigns within the kings of each

(44:05):
island to unify the islands. And this gives rise to
the Kingdom of Kamehameha. But they've got to go through
a brutal series of battles and wars, and Hawaii is
divided amongst eight islands, and on these islands, on each
corner of each island are different kingdoms. It's it's not

(44:26):
as little known how vast and how complex and how
rich and powerful these nations were. Timoider plays King Kahikili,
which is the island of Maui. I play a character
called King Gaowa from the island of Hawaii, and my
cousin is King Kamehameha, and we are all battling to

(44:51):
decide which king should lead Hawaii and prepare for the
incoming world that is going to change the life in
Hawaii forever.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
The relationship between Kanakamauli, so the indigenous people of Hawaii
and Maudi and other Polynesian people's obviously runs incredibly deep.
But from your perspective, what did you learn about kind
of a Mali during this production?

Speaker 8 (45:19):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's just the scale.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I mean, we you know, we've often seen on screen
ourselves represented, but the scale of the storytelling is very intimate,
and we just don't really realize there were a million
Hawaiians living in Hawaii pre contact, Yeah, you know, and
that when they went to war, when they went into battle,
there wasn't like a few hundred or a few thousands.
There was one hundred thousand strong in each army, and

(45:42):
there might be two or three armies that.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
Battle all at once.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
That when they were taken armada of their ships from
one island to the next, it was in the thousands.
So I think that's the thing that really is striking
and that that hasn't been understood, and it's really really
inspiring to sort of see the might of these nations
and the vulnerability of them to to to history and

(46:09):
that and that empires come and they go, they rise,
and they fall, but we're still here and uh and
there's a beautiful connection between Maudi and and Kanaka Mauli
of Hawaii, Tahiti, Tongas are with Upa Nui. And then
we have a shared language, we have a shared genealogy,
we have a shared experience. That our continent is not

(46:30):
a continent of a mass of land like the Americas
or or or Europe per Se or Asia. Ours is
a continent of ocean to Wana Nui aaquiwa, and it
is not the seed that divides us. It is a
seed sea, the ocean that that connects us and unifies
us as Polynesia one of the main connects us, and

(46:51):
it also connects us to both sides of the Pacific.
It connects us through Taiwan and all of Asia, Southeast
Asia into China. It connects us up to Mongolia and
round from the Mongolia across the Strait and down through
the Americas, they're Native Americans of what we now called Canada,
the Cree nation.

Speaker 8 (47:08):
They're coming tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
We've got all of these nations of Native America that
go all the way down to South America and it
crosses back over into a upper nor Easter Island. So
at the catchment of our indigenous cultures are vast. It
is a vast and un unheralded population of indigenous culture.
We're made to think through the historical western lens that

(47:33):
we're little pockets of these cute little natives that like
to sing songs to one another, but which we did
do that too. We can also be cute and very
lovely and warm, but that we were a vast population
and still are. It's just that it's been forgotten. And
through the series we can revigorate this. Because the character

(47:53):
that Jason goes out to see the world, he doesn't
go to Europe. He goes to Asia. He sees the
might of southern Southeast Asian, all of China, and he
comes about with gunpowder and all the technologies of Asia
to prepare for the for the what will be the
onslaught of the Western migration migrants. As we as we

(48:13):
as we as we don't want to call ourselves there,
but the incoming migrants from this foreign place, you know,
and wanting to colonize.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
It's amazing in the production, the prominence with which the
Hawaiian language is given, I mean, is remarkable seeing all
of these actors we know and love speaking in the
Hawaiian language. How did you and the cast find that experience?

Speaker 8 (48:39):
I was beautiful?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
What a privilege, what a We have the basis of
our own real maudi, so you know, vaka aloha, you know, uh,
you know, we have all of these connections far.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
So we had the basis of our own language.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Was beautiful to hear it resonate in the dialect which
is Hawaii, which is our connected language. And then we
had some mourns and our cast torments and the cast
Tahitians and the cast, and we all connected through the
vision of one or more and they consciously wanted to
reunite Polynesia to show that we are connected and that

(49:25):
we are not isolated, and that we should not divide
ourselves by our dialects and by our islands, but connect
ourselves to celebrate our connection and our heritage together.

Speaker 8 (49:36):
It's a beautiful, beautiful happening.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
It wasn't like in a practical sense, is it. I
mean obviously you know you yeah, yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Huge chalon And you know it's it's actually a yeah,
it's very very typical to to earn the Hawaiian.

Speaker 8 (49:54):
But I was so excited by it.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
I asked, I asked on the condition if I accepted
the role, that in order to honor this ancestor, that
I would not speak a word of English, that I
would only speak Hawaiian.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
And that was a great privilege to t in a
commitment for myself to to you know, to try my
best to honor this this ancestral line.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Have you found yourself through the production experience starting to
like reach for words in real maudi and going to
the Hawaiian word and stee Obviously there are a lot
of similarities a lot of the time that do you
find yourself sometimes reaching for the wrong one?

Speaker 8 (50:34):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
But the but but but the greater danger was actually
speaking Hawaiian with a Maldi accent, which is quite quite difficult.
It's like speaking it's like speaking English with an American accent.
You know, it's it's quite abrupt, it's quite notice was
the biggest challenge was to try and but there was
there's still exist a dialect in Hawaii where instead of

(50:57):
that where they still have the tea's and the rs
that we have same one Someone, there's there's a there's
a there's a dialect in Someone and Hawai which has
the mildi ta and the mildy R and the maldi W.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
So so I chose to use that dialect and my
character to hopefully.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Connect this this this thousand years, thousands of years apart
and thousands of miles away, still our language and our
customs live through this series.

Speaker 8 (51:30):
It's a beautiful, beautiful celebration of our heritage.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Well, I don't expect you had much time to google
yourself these days, but I read an interview with Jason.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
And which he said, think of anything worse.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, true, he's very wise. He said, if Cliff and
Tim are not nominated for Emmys for their efforts with
the language, I will effing lose my ship. So there
you go.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
Oh well, I won't be holding my breath for that.
But I'll tell you this much.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I've seen Jason's work, and from you know, his body
of work, he's he's a he's a mega movie star nowadays,
and he's you know, he's he's got a significant body
of work, but I've never seen his work'll be of
such depth and nance and subtlety and emotion. It's the
best work of his career that I've seen. And same
with Tim Wider Morrison. He was born to be a

(52:16):
Hawaiian king. You know, he's got a whole way that
he is in the world as a Maudi, as a
human being, he's quite distinct, but when you put them
in the role of King Chilly, it all makes sense.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
He's he's absolutely I'm just I'm just completely just yeah,
where I am. I'm lost words.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
I can't really describe what it is to see Tim,
wither And and Jason play those roles there that it's
the it's the greatest work that I've seen them do
in their careers. And I'm very very proud of them
and I'm very very you know, humbled and grateful to
be alongside.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
So yeah, well we really appreciate you giving us your time.
Congratulations on and also yeah, always thank you. It's always
a pleasure to to see your commitment that old Maudi.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
And to see you represent to go that way. So
what kill all right, Modioder.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
That is Cliff Curtis. Chief of War is the incredible
new series streaming on Apple TV plus. Thank you so
much for all the attexts, Jack, great interview. Awesome to
hear the passion in Cliff's voice. This far into an
incredible career. Jack, Lovecliff Curtis. God bless you, Cliff sis Lee,
Thank you very much for that. Ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us a message on news Talks,

(53:38):
he'd be this morning. You can email me as well,
of course, Jacket News Talks. He'd be dot co dot
nz before eleven o'clock this morning. We're in the garden.
We're going to ask our man in the garden about
the different things different plants might need at this time
of year when all of them might be getting a
little bit deficient on certain nutrients. So there are a
few things you can add that will make your plants

(53:59):
thrive that much more, especially once the weathers does start
to get a little bit warmer. Next up, though, if
you're looking for something good to watch from the of
your cat this weekend, it isn't Chief of War. Maybe
you're going to zoom through that and look for something new,
Good News. It's our screen time segments. So we've got
three shows to recommend right now. It's twenty two past.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Ten on your weekend Off the right Way Saturday Morning
with Jack dam News Talks.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
It be twenty five fast ten, which means it's up
screen time time. Tara Ward is our screen time experts.
She's here with her picks for this weekend. Hey Tara,
good morning Jack. Okay, let's begin with the show on
three now. I think it kicks off tomorrow. Tell us
about the Assassin.

Speaker 16 (54:41):
Yeah, this is a new action packed British spy thriller
of it drops on three Now tomorrow. This has started
screening in the UK already and it's been getting great
five star reviews and I think a lot of people
will love it here as well. It stars Keey Hawes
who's been in shows like Spooks and Bodyguard, and Freddie
high Moore from The Good Doctor. They play an estranged

(55:02):
mother and son. Edward goes to visit his mum, Julie
on the the Greek island where she lives. It's a
very awkward reunion. There's a lot of tension between them.
What Edward doesn't know is that his mother is a
retired assassin, and just as he arrives on the island,
she is reluctantly pulled back in for one last job.
But it's actually her life that's in danger, and when

(55:23):
she is hunted down, they both have to flee, and
so they go on the run together across Europe, trying
to work out who's killing them while also trying to
hide her identity. And this is just a lot of fun.
It's sharp, it's stylish, it's darkly funny. It is violent
at times, but it's leaning into that idea that the
last person you would expect to be an assassin is

(55:44):
a middle aged woman, and then you've got the strained
family dynamic between Julian Edwards at the center as well.
But what I liked about it was it's just having
fun with the spy thriller genre. You know, it knows
this is a preposterous idea and that ridiculous things are
going to happen along the way, but it's running with
it and it's having a really good time when it
does nice.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
So it does sound like a bit of fun, a
bit of escape. I'm a big pretty high More fan
as well.

Speaker 16 (56:09):
Yeah, yeah, he's good in us too.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
So do you know he speaks like five languages. I think, Wow,
he's ridiculously Yeah, he's got kind of ridiculously good with languages.
So anyway, I don't know anything with a bit of
Freddy High was a bit of me, I reckon.

Speaker 15 (56:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
So that is the Assassin. That's on three now from
tomorrow on Neon tell us about Outrageous.

Speaker 16 (56:30):
Yeah. Another British drama. This one is quite different though.
This is a new BBC historical drama and it's based
on the true story about the lives of the Midford sisters.
And the Midfields were six young women who grew up
in upper class Britain during the nineteen thirties and they
became well known publicly because of the controversial lives that

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each of them led. They all went off in different
directions politically and socially, and their lives were full of
scandal and they were often in the headlines. One sister
was a communist, another became a fascist, one became a duchess,
another became a writer. They all lived really unusual lives
and they had this wide range of social connections from

(57:11):
from Churchill to Hitler. And we're living these lives during
this tumultuous time politically and socially in the Christmas.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah, so it's a very like it's.

Speaker 16 (57:25):
A strange story, but it's also really fascinating about this
aristocratic family who set their own rules and did their
own thing, but were all still connected as sisters, and
the BBC have brought them to life in this show.
That's that's full of energy and flair. It's based on
a biography by Mary Lovell, and watching this maybe want
to go off and read it and find out more

(57:46):
about what really went on. It's such a sensational story
and perfect for a TV series.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah great, Okay, that's outrageous. So that's on Neon and
on TVNZ plus. Murder in a Small Town.

Speaker 16 (57:59):
Yes, there's a new murder mystery series that drops on
TVNS plus from tonight. And if you're a fan of slower,
gentle TV show most like the Broken Wood Mysteries or
Virgin River kind of comfort watches. Even though this is
a murder series, I think you're like that. It's Canadian.
It's filmed in this beautiful seaside town in British Columbia,
and it's about a big city police detective who moves

(58:20):
to a small town to start his life over again.
He's expecting a quiet life, but people in the town
just keep getting killed, and so each episode is a
murder of the week kind of set up, and there's
a bit of romance in there as well, in a
sassy teenage order. It does have a bit of a
hallmark kind of vibe to it. But if you want
something that's a comfort watch and sort of reassuringly predictable

(58:42):
with a beautiful setting, this is definitely worth they checking out.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
They haven't exactly pushed the creativity boat out too far
when it comes.

Speaker 16 (58:49):
From you know what you are getting with us, there
will be very few surprises.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I think Murder in a Small Town is the name
of that series.

Speaker 16 (58:59):
Weeks of workshopping that.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's on TV and D Plus. So Outrageous
is on the on That's the one about the Midford Sisters.
The Assassin is on three now and we'll have details
for all of those shows up on the news Talks website.
Thanks sarup.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News TALKSB want
to see.

Speaker 16 (59:26):
Again, I don't want to be off?

Speaker 17 (59:37):
Don't say your word do you want to to come to.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Keeping that show just so it happens?

Speaker 18 (59:47):
Happen se time to take your money, turn it to.

Speaker 8 (59:55):
Hell.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
This this band is called Prepare Yourself Folk Bitch Trio
or if BT, the kind of crack the and making
their musical dreams of reality. So there are three of
them that make up FBT. They are from Melbourne and
they've been making a few waves internationally with their twist
on folk music and the kind of delicate treatment by

(01:00:18):
which they deliver it. Rolling Stone has described fbt's music
as lush, and the trio is often praised for the
kind of shared sense of humor which they've embedded through
their music and their lyrics. And of anyway, they've just
released the debut album. The album's called Now Would Be
a Good Time And there's a week connection with New
Zealand in that they recorded it in Auckland. So our

(01:00:41):
music reviewer is going to be listening to the album
and sharing her thoughts with us when she joins us
before mid day today. But I like that the first
little sound of first I've ever heard of FBT, to
be perfectly honest, Yeah, but to me, I reckon, Hey,
thank you for your feedback. Jack Cliff Curtis has never
changed from a thoroughly decent, down to earth, approachable bloke.

(01:01:02):
His fame never seems to have gone to his head,
and he seems not who have sucked up that superficial
Hollywood puffer, says Pauline. Thank you for that, Pauline, Yeah,
ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us
a text like Pauline did, don't forget after eleven o'clock,
right after the eleven o'clock news this morning, we're going
to give you the secrets on living a long life.
Here's the secret to living a long life. Unfortunately, they're

(01:01:25):
not really secrets, and unfortunately there's nothing that's easy. It's
basically just like, oh, you've got to eat lots of vegetables,
and like, oh, don't don't don't, don't have any vices,
don't drink too much, don't smoke, don't have any stress
in your life. So all really easy stuff. But now
we're going to take a closer look at the things
they reckon have distinguished the Blue zones around the world,

(01:01:46):
these different regions and quite geographically distinct parts of the
world where they have abnormal numbers of people who lived
to one hundred years old. So I'm looking forward to
that conversation right after the eleven o'clock news. Right now
it's twenty five minutes to eleven, putting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

Speaker 18 (01:02:04):
Breakfast no idea that's been reheated with the brief paper
suggesting that NCEEA has failed to provide clear pathways into
the trades. Doctor Sandra Grays, the Tertiary Education Union National
Secretary Look New.

Speaker 19 (01:02:14):
Zealand, does unfortunately have quite a bad attitude towards trades
and vocational education.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
We have this idea that if.

Speaker 19 (01:02:21):
You push everybody into the academic and into universities, we're
going to get.

Speaker 9 (01:02:25):
Higher wages, You're going to get a better live outcome.

Speaker 19 (01:02:28):
So this is a system wise problem. We don't take
vocational education seriously and we really don't talk to early
enough about the mani parts that you can take in
your life.

Speaker 18 (01:02:38):
Mac Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB Well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Microsoft has become the second company in the world to
pass the auspicious mark of having or of being worth
more than four trillion dollars, so more than four thousand
billion US dollars. You can say, well, of course Microsoft
was always going to get there, but if you think

(01:03:05):
about it, Microsoft has had a little bit of a
rough period. It looked like Apple was the darling for
a long time, but actually Microsoft has leap frog Apple.
Now here with the details, is our texpert Paul Stenhouseku
to Paul.

Speaker 15 (01:03:18):
Yeah, good morning, and guess what, Jack, You just can't
guess what has pushed this company to four trillion dollars?

Speaker 20 (01:03:25):
Can you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Can it have anything to do with I don't know, AI, Paul,
Maybe something to do with Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:03:33):
No, it's it's interesting because they, you know, all of
these companies have gone into this the cloud computing business,
and it's the cloud computing business for Microsoft that has
really feeled them. They had a standout quarter which really
pushed them over that four trillion.

Speaker 8 (01:03:49):
Dollar market cap.

Speaker 15 (01:03:51):
All we cause this cloud computing provides compute services. Now
for AI that is just an hot, hot, hot demand.
But you know, you think of the time period where
Google was really sort of on the up. They'd started
to get into their desktop software type market where Microsoft was.
They started to create Google Docs, which took over from

(01:04:14):
Microsoft Word and sheets that took over from Excel, and
people were sort of saying, you can't collaborate on Office.
It's dead. Microsoft is done, you know, Windows computers kind
of fell out of favor a little bit.

Speaker 13 (01:04:27):
Apple took on this, you know, this this.

Speaker 15 (01:04:29):
World of interconnectivity between your MacBook and your iPhone. People
were very excited about all of that, and they thought
maybe it was just going to go the way of
Yahoo and just sort of fade off. But man, they
have absolutely turned that business around, and they now in
that big cloud category amongst the many categories they are in,
but they are now just second to Aws in that

(01:04:52):
cloud category. And it's they're not going to stop spending
because they CFO sit on the earnings call. They're going
to spend thirty billion dollars on AI infrastructure in the
next quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
So in the next three see ten billion dollars a mile,
ten dollar dollars a month. So what two and a
half billion dollars a week at the moment?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Wild, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
So can I give you another number?

Speaker 15 (01:05:16):
Because I think I think sometimes we forget just how
big some of these numbers are. So four trillion US
dollars okay, would be like giving all five point three
million New Zealanders three quarters of a million US dollars,
which would be one point three million New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 13 (01:05:35):
Can you imagine from like there is people forget.

Speaker 21 (01:05:39):
Oh you're like, oh, you know, you know, four.

Speaker 15 (01:05:41):
Trillion, it's just one bigger than three point nine. Now,
these are big numbers we're talking about here, people, and
it's just and it's accelerating, right. First US company to
hit one trillion was in twenty eighteen was Apple. Second, sorry,
first to hit two trillion was in twenty twenty. First
to hit three trillion was twenty twenty two, also Apple.

(01:06:04):
So by that math, they really should have hit four
trillion in twenty twenty four that they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Okay, the absolute back of the envelope sums from me
is that it's about it's worth about eighteen times our
annual GDP. It's just ridiculous, isn't it. It's just absolutely ridiculous. Meanwhile,
Apple is not only slip behind Microsoft in terms of
in terms of the valuation of the company, but they've

(01:06:29):
announced that the tariffs are going to cost them another
billion dollars.

Speaker 15 (01:06:34):
Yeah, note the word they're another billion dollars because that's
on top of the eight hundred million dollars they've already eaten, right,
They've just taken on this tariff cost, and that was
just during the June quarter. So they're going to spend
close to two billion bucks probably this year on tariffs,
which is just crazy. But I mean, look look rounding
eras I guess in some ways Jack, because their quarterly

(01:06:55):
revenue jumped ten percent, ninety four billion dollars they pulled
in between April and June, and they've been trying to
really get around some of this tariff stuff. We talked
about how they charted a plane. It just well planes
and just sent iPhones, you know, like the United States
as fast as they possibly could. They've tried to move
a bunch of their iPhone production to India to move

(01:07:17):
to get away from someone of the China tariffs. But
Donald Trump is threatening them that if they don't start
producing phones products in the United States, he could be
slapping them with a twenty five percent tariff man.

Speaker 13 (01:07:30):
So I guess that's.

Speaker 15 (01:07:30):
Probably why they just decided to eat close to two
billion dollars in tariffs, because if they had passed it
on to consumers, I have a feeling his eyes may
have turned their direction.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, that's crazy. Hey, thank you so much, Paul, really
appreciate your time. As always our text. But Paul Stenhouse
there it is I reckon about the size of a
Manila folder, right, This incredible new species they announced they
had discovered in northern Coeensland this week. It's a stick insect.

(01:07:59):
It's kind of like, I mean, it's a stick inject
that it's got I didn't know this at stick inticks.
Some of them have wings, so it's got wings and
you open it, it's kind of like a little Manila folder.
This thing is enormous. Okay, it's forty four grams, which
is apparently almost the size of a almost the weight
of a golf ball. And yeah, researchers at Jamescott University

(01:08:19):
in Queensland have only like discovered in the last couple
of months. But anyway, this thing is absolutely ridiculous. It
looks kind of freakish. It's one of those great reminders
in life that for all of the wonders of the
world that have already been discovered, there are still a
lot of things out there, crazy things kind of like
mega fauna, things that are still waiting to be discovered. Anyway,

(01:08:43):
I'm looking forward to talking to Rude clim Past about
this because I know he will have been all over
this this week. He's going to be with us very
shortly when he joins us before the eleven o'clock News.
Next up, though, our Master Somlier with his pick for
this week at sixteen to eleven on News Talks, he'd
be why no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks fourteen to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Have you looking for a good drop this weekend? Master
Somalier Cameron Douglas has chosen his recommendation. It's the Two
Rivers Convergence Sauvignon blanc twenty twenty five from Marlborough. It
retails for about twenty two bucks and Cameron is with us.
Noaw Caunterer Cameron, Good morning, Caudra tell us about the convergence.

Speaker 10 (01:09:27):
Well, it's called convergence because it is the origin of
the fruit comes from both the arbitreri Valiant River and
the Wiral Valiant River areas in Marlborough. So it's bringing
those two ideas of soil and fruit and energy all
into one blend.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Yeah, nice. What does it taste like?

Speaker 10 (01:09:51):
Well, it's We're seeing a lot of twenty twenty fives
come onto the market at this time of year, and
I've chosen one that really ticks all the boxes of pungent,
right varietal, high energy characters. So it delivers on flavors
of everything from bell pip to lime peel, to apple

(01:10:11):
to white peach. It even has that sort of tropical
lick of green mango that I really like in Cape gooseberry.
Some people find Sauvignon blanc have like a fresh herbaceousness
to it as well, which I call basil or sage
in a wine. But it really is this wine that
has a youthful, high energy, laser like acidity about it,

(01:10:33):
lots of fresh fruit flavors. It's just so delightful and
salivating on the palette.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Yeah, it sounds great. So the twenty twenty five and
has must I mean this must have only just at
the market, right, Absolutely true.

Speaker 10 (01:10:45):
I've been tasting wine at home this morning and I've
had a couple of reaslings Gabert's treminas and Sauvignon blancs
as well, So they're starting to come across my desk
for a review.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Oh, very good. So what would you match with the
two rivers convergence of nan Blanc.

Speaker 10 (01:11:01):
Well, this wine's all about crunch, It's all about intensity
and pungency. So I think food that is either crunchy
or fresh, salty or rich works very well with Sauvignon Blanc.
And I have a couple of different options for listeners
to consider. And if you like fresh oysters, then Sovin
Blanc is definitely a classic match for you. However, not

(01:11:24):
everybody likes oysters, So if you are into muscles, freshly
harvested barbecue on the boat, green lip muscles are nice
and salty for Sauvignon Blanc, it works really really well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Yeah that sounds yeah, it sounds absolutely amazing. How has
the twenty twenty five vintage been for those marble producers.

Speaker 10 (01:11:48):
Yeah, it's a really good question, and it's been pretty
near perfect actually, And I think it's all about the
delicacy and the thresholds of ripening and growing of fruit
from flowering first and foremost. If those conditions are right,
then the croploads are perfect, and then you have to
meet the threshold of fruit set, which happens shortly after

(01:12:11):
and again this was near perfect for them and then
no disease pressure. So it's a wonderful, wonderful vintage. It
really is a gift of nature back to us and
giving us or giving us wines that we're really going
to appreciate and enjoy. And if you find a wine
that has this little saltiness on the finish, that's part

(01:12:32):
of the acid line that really does get the taste buds.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Alive.

Speaker 10 (01:12:38):
It sort of wakes them up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Oh it's that stupid camera, and thank you. So that's
the Two Rivers convergence. Somnon Blanc twenty twenty five is
the vintage and it retails for about twenty two dollars.
Will make sure the details are on our website.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Garding with Steel Sharp one hundred bucks of free accessories
on selected Chainsawce.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Rude Climb passes our man in the garden this morning
and we're going to talk about nutrient deficiencies that I
think will be afflicting many gardens at this time of
year in a few minutes. But first of all, did
you see it. You saw the big stick intect?

Speaker 7 (01:13:10):
Yeah I did, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen something similar
in North in North Australia when I was filming the
Bug and series. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was a
different species. But boy they are they're big things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Ah good, They're a.

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
Made like there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
And and there's something about stick insects that's very alien
as well. Don't you think I think it's like this
because they're so skinny and the way they move or something,
there's something. Yeah, I don't know, there's something weird this,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, and they sway left to right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, you pleased to know that. The
moment I saw it, and I saw the photo on
the using on hero website, and I was like, oh
my goodness. I had two thoughts. First of all, the
first thought I had was, isn't it awesome that we
live in an age where despite everything that our species
has kind of done and achieved and every corner of
the earth has been checked off blah blah blah, we

(01:14:00):
can still be delighted and surprised in discovering new species
like this. Like it's not a little micro it's like
it's like the size of a Manila fold. It's like
a dinner plate, you know. And number two, I was
like broad climb past is gonna be so excited.

Speaker 20 (01:14:16):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I was excited.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
I thought it was wonderful.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
You know what.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
I first thought it was typically Ozzy to come up
with that story.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I suppose.

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
Did you know that our giant weather weighs sixty grams,
that only forty only forty, So.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
This is a this's a giant wed from hot to
either from little barrier. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Yeah, anyway, so yeah, it's you got and yeah, well
I've always got you know that. But no, I think
the nutrient deficiency is certainly something that afflicts us.

Speaker 10 (01:14:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:14:53):
I think that's something that we should really start looking
at from now anyway, Jack. And there's two types of
there's nitrogen phosphate and potash and magnesium the main soluble
things that that actually can be soluble in water. And
that's important because a lot of the smaller micronutrients cannot

(01:15:13):
dissolve themselves in more water. And that means that if
you've got a deficiency for inst of those little micronutrients,
it's always on the old leaves. In other words, they
can't on the new leaves. The old leaves have got
the material in them. The still and they grow. The
plant grows and it tries to get some micronutrients to

(01:15:34):
the new leaves, and it cannot get them there because
it doesn't dissolve in water. That shows you that if
you've got a plant with some old crappy leaves in
the bottom, it is usually something that cannot be taken
up to the that can't be even taken up after photosynthesis.
So these are important things. That's a good one. So

(01:15:57):
those nitrogen, phosphate and potash. We've talked about that a
lot of times. Nitrogen does the leaf growth, the phosphorus
does the root growth, potest trees, flowers and fruits, in
other words, the sexual reproduction of plants. But if you
go to the little ones, they do so much more too.
They have all sorts of little jobs, especially photosynthesis and

(01:16:19):
so on and so forth, and we need those and
a lot of people forget that. So from now on,
if you start watering your plants in winter time up
coming up into into spring, make sure you've got those
micronutrients as well as the NPK in your garden, because
that is a completely good diet.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
So is that if you if you're lacking on the micronutrients.
Do you have major problems you know, like is it
can just a small deficiency where the micronutrient have a
big impact, because like you said, we always can't, right.

Speaker 7 (01:16:55):
It can, because some of these things do an amazing
job in there, but they don't need as much as
those large you know, the NPK type materials, but they
certainly are there and all to get a little bag
of that of that micronutrients if you like the trace
elements and don't forget to use that every now and then.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
And finally you can even use.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Norri oh okay seaweed. Yeah, yeah, the seaweed.

Speaker 7 (01:17:24):
It is one of the best best machines of micro nutrients.
Japanese seaweeds.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
No, totally. My sister and brother in lawa expert gardeners,
and they swear by the seaweed in their garden, absolutely
swear by it. So that sounds great. Hey, thank you,
I really appreciate it. We will make sure all of
the details about those micro nutrients and a few examples
of the fertilizers that might help at this time of year,
especially as you increase water and heading into spring. We'll

(01:17:50):
make sure that that is on the news Talks website
route climb pass in the garden for us right after
the eleven o'clock news What's the secret to a long life? Yes,
we're going to make you wait five or ten minutes
until we give you all the gas on that front.
News is next. It's almost eleven, It's Saturday morning and
I'm Jack Taye. This is News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
EDBA Saturday Morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going
through the weekend News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Hello, Hello, if you're just turning on the radio this morning,
We've missed you, but it is great to have you here.
A better late than never. Good morning, Welcome to News
Talks EDB. Jack. Time with you in the hot seat
through the midday today. Very shortly, our travel correspondent, who
has been taking a bit of a trip around the UK,
is going to take us all to Liverpool, dearest, part

(01:19:01):
of the UK. I've never been. I would love to
go to Liverpool. It's actually outrageous that I've never been here,
given my old man's from the UK. I'm a British citizen,
I'm a Liverpool fan. I love the Beatles. Never ends anyway.
He's going to give us his top tips on visiting
Liverpool when he joins us very shortly. But you might remember,

(01:19:23):
speaking of travel. A few weeks ago, I had the
great privilege of spending a week in Costa Rica, of
all places. It took a little bit of a family trip,
had a little bit of paternity leave. We were in
the Northern Hemisphere. We thought, since we're in this part
of the world, since we're in we're in the the
warmer climbs at the moment, let's make the most of

(01:19:44):
being being up here and take a few days in
Costa Rica. And when I was traveling through Costa Rica,
I was surprised to travel through the Nicoya Peninsula, which
is one of the world's few blue zones. Now, a
blue zone is one of these places where, for whatever reason,
and there are several reasons, people or citizens of that

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region on average, have much higher life expectancies than in
other parts of the world. So anyway, I wasn't the
only one whose interest was peaked by the Nakoya Peninsula
and the concept of blue zones. Doogle Sutherland, clinical psychologist
from Umbrella Well Being, was interested as well, and he's
with us this morning. Calderdogle Cura Jack.

Speaker 22 (01:20:28):
Yes, I picked up what you were putting down, and
I thought, gosh, I wonder what is about those blue
zones that makes them, you know, that magical place And
maybe if we all just did what they do, maybe
we'd live longer too.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Yeah, So what actually is a blue zone? Because you've
looked into this more than I did when I was
traveling through until I traveled through Costa Rica at the
very least, what actually is a blue zone?

Speaker 8 (01:20:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:20:48):
So, I mean you've I think encapsulated in nicely. It's
where people on average live tour into their nineties or
the hundreds, which is longer than the average life expectancy,
which is surprisingly short. Actually it's so worldwide it's seventy
one for males and seventy six for females as the
average life expectance. I guess if you average that out
over some you know, developed countries and third world that

(01:21:10):
perhaps makes sense, but still a little shorter than I thought.
But yeah, and four zones that have been identified, so
Costa Rica and the Koreia Sardinia was the original one
that they identified in two thousand and four Okinawa in Japan,
And I think I'm pronouncing this Courrecter Kardia and Greece

(01:21:30):
are four known four known blue zones. There might be others,
but those are the four that have been idea.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
What funny because you sort of think, like, what is
it that links those places? They're quite you know there,
you know there in some respects a long way from
each other, and yet they all kind of shared this phenomenon.
And there's been a few bit of research right into
into what are the qualities that you know, or what
are the lifestyles they're attributing to people living this life.

Speaker 22 (01:21:59):
Yeah, well there's I mean, there's probably genes is probably
a factor, but you can't really do much about your genetics.
You're born with that and that's it. And there's possibly
some geographical features as well, But yeah, lifestyle is probably
the main ones that people have focused on because it
is somewhat in our in our realm of control, but

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important as we talk about these that people, I was
a bit inclined to do this when I read them.
I thought, I'll have a bit of that, and a
bit of that and a bit of that, but I
don't think I'll do that. And it was like, no, no,
it's probably you need to have all of they've identified
seven key factors, and you probably need to do all
of these seven.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
I feel like going to be fun as yet there, Well,
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:22:40):
I mean, the first one is as well known. It's
the it's the it's the diet, right and you know,
the classic being the the classic being the Mediterranean diet,
so lots of plant based stuff. Interestingly in this this
piqued my interest. But interestingly, if you have lots of
olive oil, a moderate amount of Greek coffee, and a
moderate amount here we go of red wine, it was like, okay,

(01:23:03):
I can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
And it's the pressure one though, isn't it the rewind?

Speaker 22 (01:23:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 10 (01:23:08):
So.

Speaker 22 (01:23:09):
Another interesting fact about eating, though, was not only the diet,
but it was that the way that you eat, and
this idea that you stop eating when you're about eighty
percent full, so you don't eat sort of full as
a ball you kind of go no, no, I'm pretty
much done, I think. So that is sort of and
not quite sure what the magic is there, but that
seems to be a part or it seems to be

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a factor that links everything in see.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
I find that that's the hard part of it for me.
I can I'm my ethos with food, and I've gone
on and on about this over the years, is that
I don't mind eating I mean, I meat, and I
love eating sugar. I've got a real sweet tooth. But
my thing is just not wanting to eat too much
processed food. So I always prefer to eat like a

(01:23:53):
slice or a nice piece of cake that I've picked
up in a fancy cafe as opposed to eating a
bag of lollies or a thing of chocolate or cereal
or something like that. You know, yeah, yeah, but but
but but I will eat until I'm one hundred and fifteen,
that might be yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So the diet's

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an obvious one.

Speaker 22 (01:24:18):
What else, Yeah, eat healthy, move naturally, they call it,
So keep up physical activity, but do it in just
a natural way. So walking, gardening, just having having movement
and physical activity as part of your natural normal days.
So this isn't sort of going to the gym and
doing like cross sessions in the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Yeah right, that's interesting.

Speaker 22 (01:24:40):
So it's just built. I think it's that lifestyle building
it in that it becomes you know, you're kind of active,
but naturally active.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
That is that is really interesting Okay, see, I'm an
enthusiastic exerciser most of the time, but being in my
late thirties now I've got like quite developed arthritis in
my hip, like it's a real problem. Yeah, and so
I can see that, and part of that will have
been the way I have been exercising, you know, And

(01:25:08):
you can see how that will ultimately lead to me
being less active in the future. Maybe a factually I've
been a little bit more chill over there and just
done a bit more walking instead of running or whatever else,
but of guarding than actually wear and tear might not be.

Speaker 22 (01:25:23):
Quite good point.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Yeah, no, absolutely, So you're not supposed to smoke, there's
a big surprise.

Speaker 22 (01:25:29):
No, don't smoke and reduce stress, which you know, and
I took lots in the past about reducing stress. So
those are two sort of easy ones. Don't smoke and
reduce A.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Lot of people, of course, who still smoke, rely on
smoking to reduce their stress.

Speaker 22 (01:25:42):
So huff sleeping. So the importance of sleeping well, and
the way the researcher has defined this is is sleeping
getting your kind of your sleep patterns or your circadian
rhythms sort of in sync with the day, so broadly

(01:26:02):
sort of speaking, you know, going to bed when it's
can waking up when it's light, if you know. So
so not too much, I mean, there's obviously you can
stray a little bit from that and not too religious
about it. But but yeah, the idea about your your
your circadian rhythms are in sync with the seasons of
the year. And here's another one that I really like too.
Napping in the middle of the day is very helpful, right,

(01:26:27):
so if you can have a nap in the day,
you know that sort of half hour, yes, the short one,
a little shit, yeah, yeah, just a nice short one
that that's that. That seems to be a factor as well,
which is I thought, oh yeah, no, I can definitely
snap in the middle other day. That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
And then there are the kind of social slash psychological edestions,
And there are two different things here.

Speaker 22 (01:26:47):
Yeah, so so keeping family ties and connections so so
keeping good so you know, and often these these blue
zones there there's a perhaps a greater sense of community
and connection. So the idea is that keeping up those
social connections actually help combat loneliness and depression. And we

(01:27:08):
know that loneliness. There's been some other studies around loneliness
that shows that can reduce your life expectancy to the
same level as if you were smoking something like ten
cigarettes to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Day or something like that.

Speaker 22 (01:27:22):
So loneliness and it's amazing, isn't it. It's and I
think it's something that we get more of in modern culture,
although we are more perhaps we're more connected than ever
I think. Yeah, I argue there's certainly been huge rates
of loneliness around the country and around the world, really
Western world too, particularly so.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
And then the final recommendation is, well, it's sort of
almost theological.

Speaker 22 (01:27:44):
It is, Yeah, you believe in something bigger than yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
It doesn't have to ask does it means purpose? It's
like that, Yeah, I have a purpose?

Speaker 22 (01:27:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. So what's your life worth living?
Is another way of thinking about that, or in the
sense of being part of the bigger thing. Yeah, So
lots of research shows that people with what's called religiosity,
so that sense of I believe in something bigger than
I and I'm involved in some daily or regular practices
or rituals around my faith or around spirituality, that that

(01:28:17):
there's lots of evidence to show that that helps with
people's well being and happiness, and so that's another seems
to be another key factor. Again, it doesn't have to
be believing in God or a god, but it's that
sense that I am part of a bigger purpose or
something bigger than me. So yeah, if you do all
those seven and you've got reasonable genes, then you know

(01:28:38):
you might be pushing well into the nineties with any.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Giving yourself the best possibility, anyway, the best chance. I reckon,
I'm in about four. I reckon. There are a few
like half measures and quarter measures in there, maybe four
four and a half, I reckon.

Speaker 22 (01:28:52):
It's not Yeah, I think I'm about the same. Yes,
you're right if you sort of, if.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
You really do think you'll be improved. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
very good. Hey, thanks to that's great. Yeah, I really
appreciate that. Google Southerland from Umbrella well Being. We'll make
sure we put these seven principles for Longer Life up
on the news Talks ZEDB website before midday. We've got
that new music for you from FBT. They're this trio
from Melbourne. They've recorded their first album, actually recorded it

(01:29:17):
in New Zealand, and they've got really kind of beautiful
a beautiful, somewhat unique, folky sound, great sense of humor
as well. So we're going to tell you a bit
about the band, play some of new music before mid
Day to Day. Next up, though, our travel correspondents taking
us to Liverpool in the UK eighteen past eleven, non
Newstalks EDB travel.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
With winni Wo tours. Where the World Is Yours book now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Mike Hardley is our travel correspondent.

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
More dinner, Good morning Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Now you've got to shout out in Christ Judge.

Speaker 21 (01:29:46):
Last night I went to a night at the Conclave
which featured Cardinal John Joe sort of like talking about
all the workings a few months ago in Rome. And yes,
and you're a fantastic interview with the cardinal. What was
mentioned so night, bravo bravo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Yeah, Well I'll always you know, take being mentioned in
that kind of and that kind of context to Mike,
as you know, we can usually get mentioned for far
worse things. But that's that's great. How was the night?

Speaker 21 (01:30:18):
Yeah, fabulous, just so down to worth. I think that's
what really blew people away. You know, you'd think, oh, yeah,
this might be some sort of frosty, stolid sort of presentation.

Speaker 16 (01:30:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:30:29):
Yeah, it was just so casual and real.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
It was just fantastic, wonderful, what a good thing to
have done, and great that they're kind of getting out
on the road and you know and explaining the stuff,
giving people, you know, very making things as approachable as possible.

Speaker 8 (01:30:42):
How interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Hey, anyway, we're turning our attention to Liverpool in the UK.
I've never been always wanted to go, so very much
interested in your recommendations this morning, and you've been doing
a bit of a kind of swing around the UK
for us in the last few weeks. Why did Liverpool,
of all places win you over?

Speaker 21 (01:30:59):
I reckon after London, Jack, this is England's best big city,
and the reason being, first of all, you've got this
really striking mishmash of older new architecture and it definitely
feels like a city that's being regenerated. I love how
Liverpool bears its soul, you know, it celebrates its pride,
it expresses its pains in terms of history and terrible events.

(01:31:24):
It just is a really charismatic sort of place, gritty, vital, grounded.
And the thing that I noticed is you only actually
have to spend a couple of days in Liverpool to
get a real flavor of real urban England and that
Scouse spirit, that really earthy assert of charm of the
Liverpool Lands.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Just an amazing place.

Speaker 8 (01:31:44):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
So what are the headline sits on the Beatles parade?

Speaker 21 (01:31:48):
Yeah, well there's no avoiding Beetlemania as several museums. Then
you've got the magical mystery tour to a swag of
pilgrimage sites like the boyhood homes of John and Paul.
I saw the eleanor Rigby Grave site in Saint Peter's
churchyard and that's actually where McCartney and Lenin first met
at a church fate. I saw Penny Lane where the

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street signs have to be regularly replaced. The Strawberry Field
site that is so evocative now, these gardens, they were
like a place of peace and refuge for a young
John Lennon, and of course that gave rise to another
Beatles anthem.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
So yeah, so much to explore.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Ah, yeah, that's I'm embarrassed to say that naively. I
thought that Strawberry Fields was written after the Strawberry Fields
in Central Park.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
In New York, US.

Speaker 21 (01:32:40):
Front Yeah, so yeah, Strawberry Field was actually was given
to the Salvation Army about a century ago in Liverpool,
and it was like a place for destitute children, vulnerable children,
and then the gardens were often like a playground for
a lot of people living, a lot of kids living
in Liverpool, including John Lennon.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Yeah, okay, very good. Oh nice. So where is the
Cavin Club located?

Speaker 21 (01:33:04):
Yes, Matthew Street and it's amazing, Jack, I felt a
bit like I did when I first went to Beal
Street in Memphis. So it's this narrow bar lined street,
Matthew Street, ground zero for Beatles fans. That's where the
original Kevin Club was located. It's gone, but they have
built a mock up of the historic night spot a

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few doors down from where it was originally located. The
other cool thing right across from the club the Wall
of Fame. Jerry Marsden created this and every brick represents
an artist or band who played at the original Kevin Club.
All the rebuilt club and my god, it's like a
who's who of music. Royalty Adele, Susie Quatro, Oasis, Jim Morrison,

(01:33:50):
you name them, they've been there. It's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
Nice Royal Albert Dock has been transformed for tourists as well.
What's worth exploring.

Speaker 21 (01:33:59):
Yeah, those mighty red brick warehouses are now mainly used
as museum spaces, and they've got some credible museums. The
Maritime Museum, it dives deep into eight hundred years of
proud seafaring history, and then nearby the International Slavery Museum,
which does not flinch from fronting up to Liverpool's role

(01:34:20):
in the African slave trade. I took this awesome stroll
along the Harborfront, gazing across the Mersey all the way
to peer a Head, which is home to that creamy
cluster of Edwardian buildings known as the Three Graces in Liverpool.
In the middle one is the original world headquarters for
Qunard Line. So yeah, there is just some stunning history

(01:34:41):
to soak up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Did you come across any New Zealand connections.

Speaker 21 (01:34:45):
Yeah, we'll go back to the nineteenth and twentieth century
and Liverpool of course was the major gateway for British
and Irish immigrants, so heading off to begin new lives
in the New World, including New Zealand, and just to
block back from the Harbor Front, I actually spotted this
sullen old stone building emblazoned with New Zealand House on
its exterior. Back in the day, its core business was

(01:35:08):
migration and meat. Today, Jack, it is still a meat
market of swords. Hooters has taken up residents on the
ground floor.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
I just had this moment of panic as I wondered
where you were going to go with that. Yeah, Oh,
that's so funny, how incredible? Yeah, and so what is
it about the churches in Liverpool that make them so
popular with visitors?

Speaker 21 (01:35:33):
Yeah, I've got two showstoppers. First of all, the Anglican
Cathedral is the UK's biggest religious building. It's a behemoth
with the heaviest and highest bells in the world. And
the chap who designed it, Sajia Scott, also created Britain's
iconic red telephone box and his grandfather Kiwi connection Here
designed christ Church Cathedral. But even more compelling, Jack, Saint

(01:35:57):
Luke's bombed out Church. That's what it's called, and that's
exactly what you see. It was decapitated during the Blatz
and it's been left hollowed out and roofless ever since.
So it's now this opening a performance space, which is
a stunning spot to catch some local culture. They have
all sorts of things on there all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Oh nice, Well, any memorable hospitality highlights for you?

Speaker 21 (01:36:22):
Well, aside from footy at Anfield, an unrivaled cultural experience
with the locals is to take a pub crawl in
the stately streets of the Georgian Quarter and it's amazing.
Liverpool has a massive Irish population, so the vibe is
so similar to being in Dublin's Temple Bar district. The

(01:36:42):
pub to end all pubs, I'd have to say, is
a place called the Philharmonic Dining Rooms. I couldn't believe
this place. It would be the most palatial pub I
have ever encountered. And the men's lose. The urinals are
made of pink marble.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Oh my gosh, that's ridiculous. I how good though, the
problem is that you're sort of inviting people to start
photographing them, Neil, and no one needs that.

Speaker 21 (01:37:06):
That's stright.

Speaker 8 (01:37:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
So what would it be like? Half an hour from Manchester?

Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
Would would that right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Half an hour? Twenty minutes? Yeah, it's pretty close yet
down the road.

Speaker 21 (01:37:16):
Pretty much, Yeah, graber Ferry across the Mosey Jet.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Yeah of course, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, given I'm a
Liverpool fan. I want to make sure I'm on the
right side of it. Hey, thank you, that sounds it
sounds fantastic. I'm digging the envious. Like I said, some
top tips there, Mike. We'll make sure that all Mike's
advice for tripping through Liverpool is up on the News Talks.
He'd be website before midday. That new music from FBT

(01:37:39):
netfolk trio from Australia for you. Plus we've got your
book picks for this weekend very shortly. Right now, it's
twenty eight past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on News Talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Twenty eight minutes to twelve on news Talk ZB. Well,
the MPC season has gone off to a pretty exciting start.
What was at one point in it White Cuttle over Auckland,
the other day one of the two beating North Harbor
a little bit more comfortably yesterday. Some games this afternoon,
of course. Jason Pine is on Weekend Sport, counting down
to kick off today two pm. Wellington and the Old

(01:38:36):
Folk Cannabury Kilder Party.

Speaker 7 (01:38:39):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Yeah, it's it's been a good little start to the
MPC season. Actually, how are you feeling about the place
of the NPC this rugby season?

Speaker 17 (01:38:47):
Yeah, well, on the evidence of a couple of games,
pretty good, yees starter well did at Thursday night the
one point victory by Wacuto scoring twenty uswered points to
get up and Leamasoppewanga scoring the try that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Aaron Crwden converted.

Speaker 17 (01:39:01):
I'd turn him out the hands of time, mate, right
in the last like years, you say, were two getting
the one. Look, I feel good about it. And this
weekend has thrown up some really interesting games. There's a
Shield challenge tonight, Taranaki putting it on the line, the
challenge coming from the Northland Tunnyfah this afternoon and in
the cargo as stag day Southland v Otago. They've sold

(01:39:22):
five thousand tickets already for this game. It's apparently going
to be jumping down there. And if you want to
buy a Southland jersey you can't. There aren't any left.
They're all sold out. So yeah, so that'll be a
good game. And then as you say, Wellington v Canterbury,
whenever those two teams meet in any sport, really there's
always a bit of feelings. So look, I hope that
it continues, and the NPC has kind of been a
bit of a punching bag for people who like to

(01:39:44):
point to, you know, slightly lower attendances than we would
like to see. But the fact of the matter is
jack it actually, you know, sign me up because I
just love watching you know, the blend of experienced players
like we've mentioned super rugby players, but also guys we've
never heard of coming in and making a name for
themselves and earning themselves super ragby contracts. So now I'll

(01:40:05):
always have eyes on it. I know there's some work
to do, but I'm enjoying what I'm seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
So yeah, very good. They probably weren't saying the same
in the last five minutes or so of that Warriores
Dolphins game last night.

Speaker 17 (01:40:15):
I was not saying that. No, I was not enjoying
what I was seeing. It just felt, I don't know,
I just felt as they went back and forth in
the last moment or so, the Dolphins as though they
were going to find a way, even though they were
down to twelve at that point as well, it just
looked as though there was fatigue setting in and just
a bit of caution. Didn't want to come out of
the line the Warriors. Anyway, we'll break it down after midday.

(01:40:35):
People will have a lot to say, Look what eight
front liners out, Jack. It's actually not no bad performance,
but you come away with nothing and all of a
sudden you look behind you at the chasing pack for
that top four and the Warriors run the risk now
of being swallowed up and look, there's still a top
eight proposition. Of course they are, but having been in
the top four since round six, yeah, it would just

(01:40:56):
be such a shame for them to drop out right
at the last. But you know, five games to go,
let's see how long.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
It's just a classic thing though. You just got to
close out games. Yeah, it's what distinguishes like champion teams
from ten teams that falter. Come the business end of
the scene. You've got to close these opportunities out, you know,
especially when your head like that. Speaking of closing things out,
the black Caps Zimbabwe in three days a comprehensive victory
in bull of way to say the least.

Speaker 10 (01:41:21):
It was.

Speaker 17 (01:41:22):
Indeed, Matt Henry, what a player he's known for us.
So she has oh yes, nine for ninety in this
test match. I mean they're brilliant figures and when you
consider he had to wait, you know, rightly so behind
soau they bolt and Wagner this sort of back end
of his career and let's hope it's got a few
more years to run from Matt Henry. He is the
spearhead of our attack in all formats now and yeah,

(01:41:43):
just just tremendous. I love love seeing Mitchell Santner come
and captain the side pick up a four fer this morning.
Was that long ago that we were saying, you know what,
Mitchell center tremendous white ball cricketer, won't play any more
Test matches for us, and he got that thirteen wicket
bag or whatever it was in fourteen wickets against another
four this one okay, talking about late lake carea renaissances, Yeah,

(01:42:05):
I love to see it. So yeah, probably talks on
more cricket tomorrow, but a rugby this afternoon and rugby
league as well. Rod Penny's on the show too, after
one freshly inked extension for the Crusader's head coach. I
wonder whether there might have been a Thoughtner's mind that
he'd go out on top. But he's not doing that.
He may well still do that of course of the Crusader.
Yes again next year, but Rob Peter's going to guard

(01:42:25):
to us after one o'clock as well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
I look forward to that. Thank you, Sir. Jason Pine
with us for a weekend sport right after the midday news.
We've got that FBT trio, that folk trio from Australia
and their brand new album, their first album, so we're
going to play a couple of songs from that very shortly.
Next up, though, if you're looking for something good to
curl up and read this weekend, our book reviewer has
her two recommendations for.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Us Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
That'd be twenty one to twelve on new Talks. He'd
be Katherine Rains as our book reviewer. She gives us
two top recommendations every weekend, and she's with usnaw hey, Catherine,
good morning Jack. Let's start off with your first book
for this week, tell us about Summer Island by Kristin Hannah.

Speaker 12 (01:43:09):
So this is the story of Nora and her thirty
four year old daughter Ruby, and they're really at odds
with each other. Nora left her husband years before and
her teenage daughters as they were then, Ruby and Caroline,
and she's now this famous talk show host who gives
lots of advice to others. And Ruby herself is now
a comedian and she deeply resents her mother, and a

(01:43:29):
lot of her humor as a comedian is around her
mum and those things that went on with her. And
then all of a sudden, Laura gets caught in this
public scandal, and Ruby's given the opportunity to write this
talel book about her mother that will really almost guarantee
to launch her career, and so she heads home to
spend some time with Nora at their family summer home,

(01:43:50):
and they start to revisit old memories and then she
actually really starts to understand her mother's choices and will
broadly understand some of the choices that she's made in life.
And the book mainly focuses on the character of Ruby,
and she's quite feisty and very vocal and occasionally compleat
lately wrong in her assumptions, and she kind of slowly
finds herself listening to her mother's real history and what

(01:44:13):
happened in their lives and start to manage to find
a connection with her mum and start to hear their
relationship a little and let go of her resentment. And
it's lots of messages about family and love and forgiveness
and redemption and kind of shows how easy it is
to judge someone else's choices until you know the complete story.
Yeah good, Afternoon Sunday Afternoon read.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Yeah, very good. There's Summer Island by Kristin Hannah. You've
also read Red Star Down by Dbie John.

Speaker 12 (01:44:40):
So this is a really gripping thriller and heads into
the world of politics and espionage and deception and focuses
on actually a period in very recent history. So it's
loosely a bit set around real events, and so starts
in twenty seventeen when President Trump first rose to power,
and there's three protagonists involved. So there's Jenna, who's CIA officer,

(01:45:05):
Losha who's a most go student who has the audacity
to confront Vladimir Putin on live TV and completely incensors
the Russian leader. And then there's Eric who's a North
Korean spy spy and he has the air of President
Trump almost he's the Special Advisor on East Asia and
he's a very dangerous individual, and the story kicks off

(01:45:27):
with a series of explosive global events. A Korean man
is poisoned in Malaysia, a Russian intelligence officer is assassinated
in Washington, and a real estate mogul becomes the forty
fifth US president, And these kind of incidents set this
stage for this conspiracy and global stability. And it has
this very believable plot line and lots of different places

(01:45:47):
in country settings, and this portrayal of world leaders who've
got their own agendas and self serving, lots of great
characters that are completely complex and believable, particularly those operatives
navigating some very moral gray areas. And there's some great
moments in the story and lots of suspense, a tension,
and really wants to make you know what happened next.

(01:46:09):
And so if you're a fan of spy and espinage
strou then I highly recommend this one.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
YEA, oh fantastic. That really does sound like a bit
of me. Did you see is it? I think earlier
this week or last week? Did you ever like Martin
Cruz Smith's books? Yes, yeah, I was sad to I
think he lived a pretty good life. I think he
was in his late eighties, but I was I got
kind of hooked on the arkad Renko stories years ago,
speaking of you know, thrillers and mysteries set in Russia.

(01:46:36):
You know I love those. Yeah, you know, Gawky Park
and the myriad books that followed thereafter that he penned.
So yeah, that was that was sad news. But this
sounds like a bit of me as well. So that's
Red Star Down by Dbie John. Summer Island by Kristin
Hannah was Catherine's first book. Catherine, please don't talk to
anyone else today. Go and get yourself five or six

(01:46:58):
good lemons, get yourself some nice Manuka honey, brew yourself
a nice wee hot drink, and curl up on the
couch and we will catch again very soon. Those books
we'll be on the News Talks website. And a couple
of minutes, we've got that new music from FBT Folk
Bitch Trio, a trio of folk musicians Adam Albourne. They
recorded their first album in New Zealand and it sounds

(01:47:18):
like a cracker inside.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Scoop on them all you need to know. Saturday Morning
with Jack Dame News Talks.

Speaker 10 (01:47:26):
It be.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
Next.

Speaker 16 (01:47:44):
Jna Good.

Speaker 10 (01:47:52):
J good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Oh that's harmony is a beautiful are they? That's f
BT stands for Folk Bitch Trio. That song is called
Hotel TV. They've got their brand new album out. It's
called Now Would Be a Good Time. It was recorded
in New Zealand. Now music viewa style Clifford's been listening.

Speaker 23 (01:48:18):
Hey, oh, well, then a Hotel TV. Great song. At
the start, there's this real mood setter, if you know,
when you arrive at a hotel and it's a bit
gloomy outside and there's the rain. They've got that sort
of soundscape to open the song. And then what catches
you the entire way throughout this album is exactly what
you said about the harmonies. When those three voices come together,

(01:48:40):
I mean, it just screams to you that they are
really in sync with each other, because I don't reckon
you can hit those kind of harmonies and the strength
and power behind them if you're not really in tune
with each.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Other, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 23 (01:48:51):
And see literally yeah yeah, that's right, like an emotional level,
and then musically wise to just be able to create
them and there I've really enjoyed this album for hearing
so much more of that like sometimes they're not the
kind of the melody goes off a little bit, which
I think makes harmonies even trickier. When you go off
from this kind of maybe so like minor key or

(01:49:13):
something like that, and then you've got these harmonies that
follow along. It's yeah, it's pretty magical. This is a
kind of album for me where I listened to it
a couple of times just through a speaker, but I
think they actually had to sit with it a bit closer,
had to put my headphones in and really stay with it,
because then that's when you start getting through the harmonies
and the melodies and you actually start hearing some of

(01:49:34):
the lyrics. They're very Kiwis and Aussie's We're kind of
cousins here where we have that dark witch about us, Yeah,
and they very much lyrically right into that and lean
into that. Folk music can often be a little bit
self absorbed and sometimes quite I don't say depressing, but

(01:49:54):
it can be a bit, you know, like emotional like that,
where I think these girls manage to bring in quite
a bit of humor even if it is a bit
dark and undertoneish, and you get that the more you
actually hear the lyrics, but I think it's an album
you can listen to and go, yeah, I really like
the music, and then you can take time again at
some stage to kind of sink into those lyrics a
little bit more and hear that storytelling focus in the

(01:50:16):
fact that they're really good at the storytelling, but I
think a bit more modern because they do sort of
jump out of that typical genre thing of being down
buzz all the time, which.

Speaker 16 (01:50:26):
I really really like.

Speaker 23 (01:50:27):
Yeah, they've worked alongside producer Tom Healley, So if you
think Tiny Ruins, Lady Hawk, Marlon Williams, he's done most
or his latest album on Look, latest couple of albums.
And I've got a little bit confused here Deck and
I think that I needed to iron this out, and
I haven't quite got the answer for yet because I
know they recorded the song You're going to Play Soon,
God's a Different Sword very fleetingly. They had a visit

(01:50:50):
here to open for Ben Howard and during that time
they quickly laid down that track, So I don't know
if they recorded the full album or they did that.
I think Tom heally might have then also still helped
produce some of the other songs, but that one in
particular was the one they recorded while they were here
in his studios, but I'm pretty sure he worked more
across the album as well, But I can't one hundred

(01:51:14):
percent put my thumb on that for you, but I
know he's had a touch on it, which I think
is great because if you think of Marlon Williams, even
though he's worked with Lady Hawk people like that, you know,
he really is quite good at adding some of that
little bit of magic that you hear and the music,
and he's really good at capturing people's voices. I think
like the vocals are very forward, and the microphone sometimes

(01:51:36):
they've almost got that old school like it will sound
great on an actual record where it's got that sort
of crackly distorted mic sort of sound almost to it
with the lead singer and then the harmonies coming and behind.

Speaker 16 (01:51:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:51:50):
Just really it's quite dynamic constructures vocally, quite a lot
of dynamic stuff going on. There's got these really beautiful,
bright flourishes confessional storytelling with a bit of edge, which
I really like that that edge that they bring to it,
and I guess that again is the modern version of
what the genre is that they're taking it as their
own yeah, the opening for Yeah, lots of opening for

(01:52:13):
other people, even for our favorite can Gizard and the
Lizard Wizard of course coming they're coming back in September
and they're doing their own shows. They're doing Turning Fak
and Auckland, San fran and Wellington and it's a place
in Littleton and I can't think what it's called at
the moment. That's end of September, and I think that'll
be quite nice because you'll just be able to get

(01:52:34):
a little bit more of them when they've got a
full album as well. There's a whole body of work showcase.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
For Ben Howard, the amazingly so Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:52:44):
Yeah, Yeah, And they just didn't stick around in long enough,
I think, but now that there's an album behind that
of more for people to get, Yeah, and you kind
of want that when you go and see a band
live too, and I yeah, I think you'd get more
of the richness of what the stories and the music
is when you actually go to see them live if
you get the chance to. So yeah, but really really
enjoyable album.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
I really liked it, fantastic. What'd you give it? I'm
gonna give it a nine out of cent nice. How good? Okay,
So the album is now would be a good time.
The group is Folk Bitch Trio aka FBT, and we'll
have a bit more of a listen in a few minutes.
Thank you so much, Hostelle. Catch you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Cracking way to start your Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Saturday morning with Jacktam News Talks by More.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Honestly, it just feels like on Saturday morning sometimes I
sit down, I pull the microphone close and then push
The morning's just raced by, and this is one of
those days. Thank you so much for all your texts
and emails, your communications throughout the morning, even the ones
for the more terribly friendly. That's totally fine. We're all

(01:53:47):
entitled to our opinions for everything from our show. Of course,
you can go to News Talk, ZEDB, dot co dot
NZ Forward slash Jack. You can also download our show
as a podcast if you want to catch up with
it a little bit later. Thanks to my wonderful producer
Libby for organizing everything and for always having such fantastic
music recommendations. Jason Pine is in the hot seat this

(01:54:10):
afternoon with Weekend Sport, looking at the first round of
NPC twenty five. For now, though We're going to leave
you with FBT Folk Bitch Trio their first album. Their
debut album is called Now Would Be a Good Time
and this is God's a different sword. See you next week.

Speaker 11 (01:54:28):
Name heard a guy at the bottom of my drawy.

Speaker 20 (01:54:34):
Conversation that I started to ignore.

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Good just.

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If I left it.

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Just a little whole. These questions turned to answer this,
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just waiting for my brain. Can't deny it. My body
keep scorbing. If you tell me that you need it,
I can get up over my floor.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
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Speaker 9 (01:56:20):
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Speaker 16 (01:56:23):
Now my future has.

Speaker 20 (01:56:24):
Written out on my Sunday dinner play.

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Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
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I needed Becaud's a different story.

Speaker 15 (01:56:40):
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Speaker 22 (01:56:41):
Go just on more

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
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