Full Show Podcast: 30 August 2025

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Good morning, Welcome to News Talks V. Jack Tame with
you through the midday today. Sorry, sorry about it. I
think it was a knock on. Oh just classic Warriors
performance last night. Classic Warriors performance. Sixteen points down, always last,
then they come surging back. Took about three quarters of
the game for them to actually get into It comes

(01:05):
down to those fires couple of minutes. Oh my gosh,
are they gonna do it? Are they gonna do it?
You go to the bunker. No, they're not gonna do it.
We're gonna talk to our sporto about that very shortly
on News Talks he'd be We're dealing with the big
questions this morning. We're gonna look at research that actually
questions whether or not pets are good for you. And
I promise this is unrelated to that subject. But we're

(01:27):
gonna tell you about a new fake leather and some
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ten o'clock our feature interview this morning, the Grand dame
of crime fiction, the author of Prime Suspect and Above Suspicion,
Linda La Plant is gonna be. Whether she's got an
amazing name, she's got an even more amazing voice. I'm

(01:48):
sure she wouldn't mind me saying it, but she talks
kind of like this. Yes, Jack, so very much looking
forward to catching up with Linda La Plant after ten
o'clock this morning. Right now, it's eight minutes past.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
Nine, Jack, team.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Whether it's the government, like international organizations, you know, like
the UN and that kind of thing, higher education, universities,
or well, even the media. Actually, one of the defining
dynamics of this social media age is the deteriorating trust
in public institutions. And it's kind of extraordinary when you

(02:22):
think about it. At a time when humans are on
the whole, wealthier, healthier, more dominant than at any other
time in our species history, we are also more distrustful
of the institutions that are supposed to serve us. So look,
Saturday mornings is usually a monetary policy free zone. For

(02:44):
the most part, we are ninety nine point ninety seven
percent monetary policy free, and I promise to mostly keep
it that way for an hour but I got to
say it was pretty remarkable at the close of play
last night to see an announcement from the Finance Minister
about the Chair of the Reserve Bank, Neil Quigley, had
resigned effective immediately following further revelations about his handling of

(03:05):
the former Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Or's departure. Nikola Willis
then confirmed to News Talks he'd be that if Quiggly
hadn't offered his resignation, she would have asked for it. Now. Look,
I do not expect anyone to follow all of the
Reserve Bank dramas, but the long and short of it

(03:28):
is that the condensed version is that the former governor,
Adrian Or, got in a dispute with the government about
the bank's funding and it kind of turned into a
bit of a showdown of sorts, and the Reserve Bank
Board raised concerns with him about his conduct, some of
which he disputed, and after taking leave for a couple
of days you remember this, Adrian Or ultimately resigned. But

(03:50):
instead of being absolutely transparent about the dispute and about
what had actually happened, the Reserve Bank chair Neil Quigley
told media at the time that Adrian Or had resigned
for quote personal reason. Ah, yes, the old personal reasons. Eh. Look,

(04:11):
if this was just some rando, then no harm, no foul.
But Adrian Or was the governor of the Reserve Bank,
one of the most powerful public servants in the country,
if not the most powerful public servants in the country.
His pens stroke the decisions of the Monetary Policy Committee
can be the difference between like thousands or hundreds of

(04:34):
thousands of people losing their jobs or homes. Let me
just think about the decisions they made over the last
few years. Got all the decisions over COVID that contributed
to huge spike in inflation in this country. But then
the Reserve Bank has effectively admitted that it has deliberately
engineered a recession. I mean that committee and the decisions

(04:55):
of the Reserve Bank governor directly impact the lives of
hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of us. So, like
many journos, I didn't buy the personal reasons explanation, and
I just kind of felt like we all deserve to
have more detail about what had actually happened. After all,
this wasn't a private company. The Reserve Bank serves us

(05:17):
and after Neil Quigley's explanation after the Reserve Bank declined
for Adrian Or to be interviewed, I personally went to
the extreme length of sending Adrian Or a letter at
his home asking him to do an interview. Now, that
is something that I would usually never do. I would
usually never do something like that, but I just felt

(05:38):
so strongly the public deserved an explanation, and it's taken
until now and are ruling from the ombudsman for us
to actually get the full story. So look, I think
there are lessons in this for all of us who
work in jobs that purport to serve the public. And
even though my job was very different to that of

(06:00):
the Reserve Bank governor, I think about trust a lot,
and look, I get it, this is totally different to
the bank. I'm not setting interest rates much much, much
lower stakes. But I had the chance to reflect on
my own work this week, and in the spirit of
introspection and openness, I tried to lean in. So I

(06:22):
was on this podcast. The podcast is called Recovering, in
which News Talks DB's Frank Richie asks journalists to reflect
on a story that they covered in the past. And
I didn't choose a story that I'd absolutely nailed. This
wasn't a big award winner, right. Instead, I reflected on
my five years as TVNZ's US correspondent, and this is

(06:46):
going back a few years, but I reflected on my
surprise at the first election of Donald Trump back in
twenty sixteen, and as I said, on recovering the fact
that so many of us, not just in the media
but in society, were so shocked by the results, including
Donald Trump, I'll remind you, I just think it it

(07:07):
shows that I and the rest of the news media
covering that election had done a massively insufficient job of
reflecting the scale of the anger and the dissatisfaction with
the status quo in the US. I mean that election
changed the world, and ultimately I hope that reflecting on
my surprise at the result will make me more skeptical

(07:31):
of conventional wisdom and better at my job today. The
thing is humans are fallible. A we all make mistakes,
we all do. But the Reserve Bank episode demonstrates that
the best thing a public institution can do to protect
its reputation is not try and protect its reputation, just
admit when you got things wrong. Admit when things are

(07:53):
a bit awkward, Admit things that make you look bad.
Learn lessons the hard way. Convince the public that you
have nothing to hide by showing us you have nothing
to hide. Jack Team ninety two. Ninety two is the
text number this morning, jacketewstalks hedb dot co dot ented
is my email address. I would love to know what

(08:14):
you think. Don't forget that if you are seeing us
a text, standard text costs apply. Before ten o'clock, we've
got your movie picks for this weekend, including one with
a delicious name, the Thursday Murder Club. And speaking of delicious,
how Cook will be in before ten with her recipe
for the week. Next up, Hayden Jones is here. It's
quarter past nine. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning, and
this is News Talk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack. Yeah,
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks b R NO.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Thank you very much for your texts and emails this morning, Jack,
I agree with you. Funny how these institutions forget who
they work for. That's the thing for me, like that,
if you're like a public servant, you work for the
people you know, you don't work for a government, you
work for the people. Jack, I agree, transparency goes a
long way. The truth is, though, when it comes to
the Reserve Bank, they're always trying to hide up hired

(09:07):
the fact that they made the wrong decisions over COVID
and have totally screwed our economy. I mean, to be fair,
the Reserve Bank have kind of acknowledged, you know, some
of their decisions, with the benefit of hindsight, have contributed
to inflation. I think the thing is like, these are
difficult jobs, and if you want people to be making

(09:29):
the best decisions they can with the information they have
available at the time, then the way they can ensure
that that you know, we understand they're doing that, it's
just by being open about it. I'll get to Mary
text in a couple of minutes. Ninety two. Ninety two
is the text number if you want to send us
a messages. This morning, speaking of economic times, the Jones
found there on a ski holiday at the moment. So

(09:51):
how about that. Hayden Jones is with us this morning.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Where are you, sir, oh, welcome, Welcome, Live from the
Jones family holiday.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
We are in the home.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Home station on Alie Side's place. I just stopped off
to get some shit at our place. I've never met
Ali before, but we're just hanging out. We're about fifteen
caves from Snandrew's not far from cave.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Oh wow, I was going to say this is I'm
frantically googling home station. So you're near a cave and
you guys are going skiing.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
Well, like every family holiday, moods are mixed out. We
had fifth yesterday, We're going to meet family for today
and wamdu So it's a real smalkest board of activity.
My youngest daughter's in a bit of a mood, so
she's got the headphones on.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
My son he's.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
Okay, Like that's the gold rule of every family holiday.
Not all children in a great mood at the same time.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
No, no, that's true, so long as you can try
and get one or two of them. Yeah yeah, so
have you been up to Dobson.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
The golden moment? Looked around?

Speaker 6 (10:57):
How are you today?

Speaker 7 (10:58):
Ohlicious great snow looking over trying to spot Mount cook
stop the Von.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Brown Cafe.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Because you know, when you're on holiday you just can.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, that's so good.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
That's such a treat. An absolute and absolute treat. So
just to describe to us the conditions on the mountain,
because some of those community fields have had a really
tough year so far.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Well, there was two centimeters of fresh powder yesterday, not
a lot, and there was there was lots of sort
of flax and ferns. There was kind of vegetation everywhere.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
There was snow vegetation, snow vegetation. But a good time
was said by all.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
The kind of the ski holiday is kind of the
privileged holiday. And where I've found in my years of
you would have been on fami holidays with what Frank
in the back and your sister.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, kind of me and my older brother.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
And the sleeping bags are told to sleep. My brother
will get kicked out of the car I was behaving
in mom, drive off and then kind of coming back.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yes, get him back about five minutes later.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
You get them just to test him out, just to.

Speaker 7 (12:04):
Get drove it.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, kick them out.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
I feel like, yeah, yeah, I'd like fore maybe some
other people do.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
These days.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
No, you can't do that.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
These days.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
You absolutely can't just leave a child on the side
of the road, even just to just you know, even
if they say they don't want to be part of
this family anymore. I'm pretty sure it's found upon if
you leave them on the side of the road these days.
Back in the day, though, you'd always passed loan children.
I think, Oh, what's he? Why is he walking on
State Highway twenty six eighty kilometers from the nearest petrol station. Ah,
he's just said there's been a weird dispute in the

(12:37):
back road. That's all right, Yeah, yeah, I feel.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Totally well when you it's just the way you frame it, Jack, Really,
I mean, leaving kids on the road sounds terrible. But
when you give them a behavior reset, what's some time
in the wilderness, doesn't that sound better?

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yeah? Yeah, I totally agree. So right, where's the where's
the where's the next stop? Today?

Speaker 7 (12:56):
Hater, I'm turning half century, so we're going to have
lunch with the fair. This is the moment of cross.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
No, that'll be wonderful.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
You'll probably about forty two years from being a harvesting
treat have since you must see a long one.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
No, no, no, I no closer than you think. In fact,
in six months I'll be able to say I'm turning
forty next year, even fewer five months I'll be able
to say I'm turning forty next year, so I'm not
far behind you now, hater. I hope you can stop
for some I hope you can stop for some delicious
blue cord or something like that, and because that is
a beautiful part of the world. Hayden Jones on the

(13:34):
road with the family this morning. Thank you so much
for all of your messages.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Jack.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
I totally agree with you about fronting up. Take the
COVID inquiry for example. The current situation with Chriss Sipicins
not fronting up is a prime example. As far as
I'm concerned, his excuses are pathetic. Well, I've shared with
you my thoughts on that. I mean, I think the
whole process has been overly politicized. I still though on
the side of transparency. You know, I just think I

(13:59):
think public officials and politicians should be accountable to us,
and I do think that in Crisipkin situation that might
have been a bit of a missed political opportunity. But anyway,
I'll get tomorrow feedback in a few minutes. Ninety two
ninety two if you want to send us a text.
Twenty three past nine, our Sporto is a next on
News Talks HEEDB.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks dB.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Exactly, Jack Tame, I agree with what you said. Yes,
I'm going to screenshot that, set it as my phone
background from now on. One on a thousand texts, never mine.
Thanks for feedback. More than a few minutes. Twenty six
past nine, our sporter Andrew Sevill is here this morning.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Sam.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Did you watch that Warriors game last night?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, I did. I actually I heard you before. I
don't think it was a mock on, unless at least
it was a minute. Unless it was a minute touch
into an opposition player or another player. Yeah, what I'm
going to do is I'm going into the office soon,
so I watch it frame by frame.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Let you know, I'm never convinced of watching it frame
by frame actually makes it more obvious.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, in real time, I don't think it looked like
a knock on. I mean and union and I don't
think it would have been a knock on. But league
rules are a bit more stringent around the ball being
propelled this way and that. So anyway, I think it's
probably academic in a way because the Warriors did not
deserve to win that game. Yes, they fought back. What
were they fourteen points down with about twenty to play?

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Yeah, right, there was sixteen down at one point.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Sixteen down, Yeah, I thought the year was a fantastic
That young fullback had a blinder and Mitchell moses that
the halfback is kicking was outstanding. So the Eels are
a team certainly to look out for next year. They
won't obviously make the playoffs this year. But now the
Warriors have Manly in Sydney, which is a big, big

(15:55):
challenge for them. It'll be daily chair Evans last game
for Manly, so they'll be pumped up. He's played three
fifty odds for them. The Broncos and Sharks are now
breathing down their neck for fourth place. The Broncos have
got the Cowboys today in Townsville. You'd probably pick them
to win that. Sharks versus Newcastle, Yeah at home, you'd
pick them to win that.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
So so worries a fourth on the on the ladder
at the moment, right, and they need the moment and
they need both of those. They need both the Broncos
and the Sharks to lose in order to lose.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
And then next week the Broncos and Sharks have the
Storm and Bulldogs respectively. They're not given so there is
there is still a chance. However, they didn't look like
a top fourteen last night.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
No, No, It's always better to try and be the
master of your own destiny in these situations, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, even if the fifth, I'll get a fifth or six.
They get a home playoff in the in the in
the first round, but they won't get that second life,
which is which is a key as well.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yeah, but hey, such sad news about Shane christ Is
this week real a real shark And you know there
are kind of so many questions that are going to
flow from this.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
And so many strands to this chat. Yes, the bottom
line is absolute tragedy. I've heard from some close to
him that the last few days last week or really
took its toll on Shane Christy for several reasons which

(17:19):
I won't go into. But ye, look, compared to say
fifteen twenty years ago, there's no doubt about it that
head knocks are taken a lot more seriously, there's a
lot more education around head knocks. The Rugby Players Association
do a lot ends it have instigated a lot of
new rules and new education programs and new standown periods

(17:44):
after head knocks. However, there's still clearly needs to be
a lot done. The problem that rugby and rugby league
facejack is that they are contact sports, right, so I
don't think you're ever going to remove the risk. However,
what grinds me is these days rugby union has just
become a game of bash, a game of collision rather

(18:06):
than evasion. I think that's where some of the issue
lies in all these hias, these head injury assessments that
we're being done, and good on rugby for instituting that.
We're seeing a lot more these days, so clearly that
seems to be working. But the clearing out of the
ruck you can watch test matches and Super rugby games,
and the clearing out at rucks where players lower their

(18:29):
shoulders head on shoulders. You could probably ward a penalty
at every ruck at every breakdown on that front, players
flying and off their feet. I think that's the key issue. Yes,
world rugby has looked at open field high tackles and
the tackling tackling too high. I get that, but it's

(18:51):
the little head knocks. If you like, if I can
call them that around that breakdown era in training and
in games, especially at the top level, where the athletes
are getting bigger, stronger, faster, and those blows are becoming
head and more fierce. That that's a concern I think
for me in the future. Talking to a couple of coaches,
longtime players, coaches, players and coaches during the week and

(19:14):
they said, you know what, it will never happen, but
you know how we tidy up the breakdown? Bring back rucking?

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, I doubt whe.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Because players stay on their feet, players wouldn't lie on
the ground, you don'ly do it once and it would
clean up that he totally and speed up the game.
But I can't see be going back to that.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
But there's obvious answer. There's no simple solution, right, it's
sort of like removing contact from these sports. But the
thing is it's not.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's clear if you look at the NFL, look the
head knock, that repeated head knocks lead in some instances
to CTE. Right, there's no doubt.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
About it, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
And I think that's the fact that rugby is facing
up to head it's.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
This repeated things, the repeated nature as opposed to the
big one off, which are also obviously not at all
good for you. But but it's the repeated nature of
these things over time, and like you're.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Saying, it's the ones that take a long time to
recover from flattened players. That's the the concern. And what
is the answer.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
No.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
More protection around players, yes, lowering the tackle, yes, more education, yes,
but again it is still a contact sport.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
I mean it's probably honestly, like make a weight limit
and contact sports of seventy five kgs, it'll be Andrew
Martin's in the circle NPC names.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
And I think no one else that I think it
helps it. There's calls for no tackling whatsoever until twelve
thirteen years of age. Yeah, if it's not a bit
older ripper rugby or or form of the game like
that one thing that they've done with this under eighty
five kilo grade that I love watching those games because
are open, it's not all about collision, The breakdowns clearer,

(20:49):
and I think that grade has really really worked. So yes,
different things are being tried, but again there's just not
one clear answer, is there.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
No, it's very very tricky. Hey, quickly before we let
you shoot off black ferns. How you feel about this week?
It's a japan isn't it?

Speaker 8 (21:06):
I thing?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Monday morning? Remember they played at Leeden Park a few
years ago and the Japanese scored a couple of tries,
but in the end it was a blowout, so I'd
imagine they will win comfortably. Is it midnight tomorrow night?
I think it is? Looking forward to seeing Georgia Miller again.
She's playing at six in this game, switching from seven. Gee,

(21:28):
she is going to be the star of that Rugby
World Cup outstanding.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, looking forward to that. Thank you sir. You're going
and enjoy the weekend. We'll catch you soon. Our Sporto
Andrew sabil Jack re transparency wheels within wheels. These days,
being transparent and appearing transparent are somewhat analogous. It's a
game of bluff and double bluff, says Anne. Thank you
for that. Ann ninety ninety two. If you want to
send us a message this morning, Jacket News, it was

(21:54):
head b dot co dot in. He is my email address.
Some good, big, thick emails have come in this morning,
so I'll get to those in a few minutes. Necked up, though,
it's time for your movie picks for this weekend, including
the Thursday, the Thursday Murder Club. So a film with
you is going to be with her Thoughts twenty sixteen.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
Somehow somewhere sometime is weird and conection.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
And just round the corner.

Speaker 10 (22:24):
Somewhere that are over beime from changing.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
I'm saying great between.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Crack that's Georgia Lines and the guest House. Gosh, she
does such an amazing voice. She had that great interview
with Hosking this week she's confirmed she's moving over to
Nashville to chase your dreams. So good for her, certainly
one to watch and yeah keep playing. Oh goodness, she's
so talent. Today, Steve says, Jack Rugby League, what a joke.

(23:01):
You might as well call it Ossie rules. When are
we going to get neutral refs? I think we know
where Steve's stand on the knock on call last night.
Thank you for that. Right now, it's twenty three to ten,
which means it's time to keep your movie picks for
this weekend. Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewers. She's here
this morning. Killed her.

Speaker 11 (23:18):
Good morning.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Okay, let's kick things off with a movie showing in
cinemas at the moment. This is court stealing.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
I've got a fly back to London.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I need you to take care of my cat.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
I like doors. Hey mis rusholm ore you.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Okay, that's court stealing. Tell us about a Francisca.

Speaker 11 (23:45):
This is a film by Darren Aronofsky, who I really love.

Speaker 12 (23:48):
He made films like Rick Creem for a Dream, Black Swan,
The whil The Wrestler, and it sounds often Butler, and
I love his performance in this film. Apparently he went
quite method. This is quite a violent, black humored crime
caper and he took a few beatings in it. But
and that's not why I love that he went method.
But he plays this very complex, flawed but likable guy.

Speaker 11 (24:11):
And he's got rid of the Elvis voice, like I
felt like for a while after.

Speaker 12 (24:15):
The Elvis film with Baz, but every time I saw
him he was still stuck in Elvis land. And that's
gone now and there's a different character in front of you.
And actually he's very charismatic as Hank. I also loved
the late nineties setting that resonated with me a little bit. Hank,
there's in New York he's a former baseball star, or

(24:37):
you could actually say he was an almost a star.

Speaker 11 (24:44):
There's a bit of a backstory there.

Speaker 12 (24:45):
He had a car crash when he was in high
school and that sort of ruined his chances. Anyway, he
likes his booth, he's working in a bar, he's dating
this paramedic played by Zoe Kravitz, and he's got.

Speaker 11 (24:57):
This neighbor, this punk russ And played by Matt Smith.

Speaker 12 (25:01):
And suddenly Russ says, I've got to go away a
family issue. Can you look after m cat And he did,
he said, yet no worries.

Speaker 11 (25:11):
But then these Russians appear.

Speaker 12 (25:13):
And they kind of get the feeling that Hank knows Russ,
so maybe they can help him find the money that
russo's them. And then and then suddenly some pasidic Jews
played by Lev Schreider and Vincent donoughnrio.

Speaker 11 (25:35):
Also after him.

Speaker 12 (25:36):
And then there's this cop played by Regina King who
comes in to try and help them out and everything.
So there is lots of happening, and this is kind
of one of those films filled with miscommunications, bad timing,
bad choices. It's got a pulpy feel to it. It's
got a Quentin Tarantino feel to it, but it doesn't.

Speaker 11 (25:54):
Have the energy. It's kind of a little bit too understated.
I really enjoyed it, but the pacing didn't quite work.

Speaker 12 (26:02):
And actually it's quite funny, like the moment I was going,
this is really fun, but it just didn't quite because
they weren't trying que lady. The company didn't quite land right.
So it doesn't quite hit. But there is a lot
to like about it. It put a smile on my face.
I just wish it had kind of hat.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yeah, okay, very good. So there's cord Stealing that is
showing in cinemas right now. Next up, something completely different.
This is on Netflix. It's called The Thursday Murder Club.
Actually is Joyce?

Speaker 13 (26:36):
Are you in us?

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Bang on Target?

Speaker 14 (26:39):
I'm Elizabeth. Would you take a look at that for me?

Speaker 15 (26:41):
Please?

Speaker 6 (26:43):
God, tire's a lot of blood.

Speaker 16 (26:45):
Would you care to join us to discuss things further?

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Who is us?

Speaker 16 (26:49):
I'm sorry, how rude of you. We're the Thursday Murder.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Club, don't dwn. That's Helen Mirren alongside Ps Brosnan, directed
by Christopher Columbus, not to be confused with the Explorer.
Tell us about the Third Club.

Speaker 12 (27:07):
So this is a cool space on the best selling
books by Richard Osmond, and Richard Osmond is an absolute delight.
I've been fortunate enough to interview him, and he's a
delightful man and his books are an absolute delight. And
the cast in this film is an absolute delight, a
very impressive cast, and as you mentioned, directed by Chris Columbus,
who's done Home Alone and Harry Potter films and things.
So it feels like it would be really hard to

(27:28):
make a mess of this, and they don't make a
mess of it. It did have a bit of a
difficult start, this film that got caught up in the
Hollywood labor dispute, so there were some sort of personnel
changes behind the scenes, and it has gone into cinema
in some places, but here in New Zealand it is
playing on Netflix and it's really good fun. It's very likable,
which is probably what you'd expect if you've read the books.

Speaker 11 (27:50):
But I actually think it could have been more.

Speaker 12 (27:53):
Helen Mirren plays Elizabeth. She's a former am I six chief.
You've got Pierce Brosm's as you mentioned, he's a x
Traye unionist. Ben Kingsley joins the team. He's a retired psychiatrist,
and Senior Imri is the troll nurse that you heard
in the trailer. And they live at this rather wonderful
Cooper's Chases retirement home, a very grand, stately home. And

(28:14):
of course the idea is it, even if you're retired,
you're more than capable of contributing and being useful and
pushing back against sort of ageist condescension.

Speaker 11 (28:23):
I think you.

Speaker 12 (28:24):
Need to engage with the suspension of disbelief with this
film Jack the retirement Village. The retirement village happens to
be owned by three kind of wanted known criminal gang leaders.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
It's is probably the first stretch you hit.

Speaker 12 (28:43):
But look, there's the lovely twists and turns. I mean,
this cast has the comedic timing down pat so there's
lots of lovely life.

Speaker 11 (28:51):
Halenh Murrin at one point even sort of dresses.

Speaker 12 (28:54):
Up like the Queen, and of course she was she was,
she played the Queen in a film. But I think
if there was a little bit more depth to some
of these characters, that would have helped sort of a
little bit more internal life with them would have contributed
to drawing us in but you can't go wrong with it.

Speaker 11 (29:09):
Jonathan Price also starts David Tennant bridget E Grant. I
mean the cast is absolutely fantastic, so it's very pleasant
and good.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Fuck nice, nothing wrong with that too. Okay, Now that
is the Thursday Murder Club that's streaming on Netflix. Secncy
Court stealing Francisca's first film pick for us this week
in Cinemas. We'll make sure all of the information about
those movies are up on the news talks. He'd be
website and we will talking him very soon, Thank you, Francisca.
After the break on News Talks, he'd be. We're going
to catch up with our cook, we said her a

(29:37):
bit of a challenge this week, Nicki Weiks. We said,
is there a delicious leftover that is best eaten cold?
And I mean like pizza is the obvious one, yeah,
but one that you're making at home. Is there a
delicious leftover that you could make a we some something
for dinner and then just make enough for lunch the
next day, even if you're not going to have access
to a microwave or any way to keep it up.

(29:59):
So she's got her response for us. She's up to
the challenge, of course, and she's going to share that
recipe in a couple of minutes sixteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Saturday morning, with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend news talks.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
They'd be fourteen to ten on news talks, he'd be,
don't forget if those film picks weren't enough to whit
your appetite, or perhaps you've watched them both already and
you're feeling like a weekend on the couch, no drama.
After ten o'clock this morning, we've got our screen time pick.
So every week on Newstalks, he'd be, we get our
screen time expert to recommend three shows that are streaming

(30:34):
on all the streaming platforms are on tally, and she
shares them with us just after ten o'clock. Three fantastic
shows to share in this week's screen time, So stick
around for that. Right now, though, time to catch up
with our cook. Nikki Wicks is here this morning.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Kilder.

Speaker 17 (30:47):
Yeah, good morning, Oh you, christ.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
I was going to say, you've stolen my heart. You've
stolen my heart from the three this morning. So you're
there for word, are you?

Speaker 18 (30:56):
I'm there for words.

Speaker 17 (30:57):
The Beautiful Writers Festival it's on down here. I had
both of my events last night, so now I get
to relaxed, be free and go and listen to other
great writers, which is fantastic bluebird day down here. So
just after this, I'm off out to Sumner for a
for a wake up swim.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Ah, look at you. You never miss a day, do you?
Good for you? It's so impressive. I mean it's always
a bluebird day. But did you crush it? Did you
absolutely crush it?

Speaker 10 (31:23):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (31:24):
Of course I was sabulous. I was older panel with
absolutely fabulous other woman and one gentleman and two different events.
I did well, I did, we did. And now, of
course I've got that thing where you feel like you're
just so ordinary.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
And a better job. Oh no, no, no, I'm sure
you're amazing.

Speaker 18 (31:42):
No, it was fun.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
Are you into leftovers?

Speaker 17 (31:46):
Look a little bit. I who works from home, so
I get to cook lunch if I need to. But
I really understand that people are often off to the
office on a you know, five five days a week,
and so therefore cooking something the night before it's great
if you can cook a little bit more and take
it into the office. Yeah, it's economic it's probably hell
see for you and that sort of thing. Do you

(32:08):
love a leftover?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
It depends on the leftover, to be perfectly honest, But
no that, but sometimes, you know, like a cold like
cold pizza obviously, what a web obviously?

Speaker 1 (32:18):
What ad I know?

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah, it It depends a little bit on the leftovers,
I think. But you have a.

Speaker 17 (32:24):
Great cold roast potatoes, yea, put a squeeze of lemon
juice over them. Cold pastas can be fantastic. But if
you're just making a little bit of extra pasta and
you can steer anything through them, loosen them up with
a bit more olive oil and a bit of lemon
juice is great. You know a lot of cultures actually
do infect eat their food at room temperature. We've got
this thing about everything needing to be piping hot, which

(32:45):
is crazy. But look, I've got to quit sober noodles recipe,
and this is great hot and cold. So what I
love to do is always cook a bit more of
the sober noodles when I'm making it for dinner. I'm
serving this with salmon and its sober noodles are those
they've got, but they're made primarily with buckwheat a little
bit if you get a flour in there. So in
a pot you cook up your sober noodles the sous too,

(33:07):
so once for dinner next day, you've got left over
about one hundred and sixty grams of dried sober noodles,
which is about half a packet of them, and put
those in some well salted boiling water. As soon as
it comes to the boiled, time it for five minutes.
That's what I tend to do. Most of them seem
to work out just that's the exact right amount that
you need to cook them for this recipe. Drain them

(33:27):
off with some under cold water, and then use that
same pot that you cook the noodles in to bring
some stock. I use about two to three cups of
good quality liquid stock, or if you've got a powder,
mix that up into a liquid or one of those
gels Continentals gels. So you've got your stock on a
rapid simmer. And then what I do is add in
the cooked noodles, so they're going to do a little

(33:49):
bit more cooking. And I've taken about one fifty to
two hundred grams of cubed salmon, beautiful fresh salmon so good.
Two to three stalks of broccolini, half a couple of
sort of snow peas that i've generally half length was
you could use animamae beans, the shelled ones would be fine.
A good teaspoon of sesame or that's what really gives

(34:10):
it the kecker I reckon and some of that off,
just until you know the vegetables and the salmon are
cooked all the way through a couple of minutes.

Speaker 14 (34:17):
Really the cold dish.

Speaker 17 (34:18):
Is really understanding minutes sermon and bowls with a sprinkle
of sesame seeds, maybe a nice weach of lemon squeeze
and lime, something like that, bit of salt to season it,
perhaps a bit of ginger grated ginger on there, perhaps
a bit of chili, perhaps a bit of soy sauce.

Speaker 12 (34:33):
And what I love is the next day just as
good cold, in fact, particularly.

Speaker 17 (34:39):
Good quite chilled. So some of those other things are
like a pizza when it's cold, but it's not got
the fridge on it, if you know what I mean.
I like to bring them up a little bit to
that room temperature. So you know, I mean, this one's
a beautiful pop.

Speaker 19 (34:52):
It in a little tubbleware.

Speaker 17 (34:53):
I don't know tublewhar is a thing anymore. And great
it means you don't have to run off and use
the you know, the office or the factory or the whatever.
Microwave is usually in a dire state.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
Totally, to be honest, Yeah, yeah, no, I think it
sounds amazing. It sounds and you're just a little bit
of yeah, like a little bit of lemon over the
top or something freshens it up the next day away
you go, yeah.

Speaker 17 (35:15):
Bring everything to the next day. Does to deal with leftovers?

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah, okay, very good. Yeah, okay, well that's a perfect one.
I reckon if you've got a quick, easy dinner at home,
you want something for the next day as well, little thought. Yeah,
thank you so much, Nicki. We will make sure that's
sober noodle and salmon recipe is up on the news
talks he'd be website. You enjoy being in christ Church
and we'll catch you next week.

Speaker 17 (35:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
That is NICKI works like, oh hey look at this.
Here you go, hey Jack. NICKI more than crushed it
at her word events last night. She was absolutely incredible.
Well that there you go, and I can check the number.
NICKI didn't manage to text us that text at the
same time as she was speaking with us, so we
know that it's legit. Thank you very much for that.
Like I say, the recipes on the website. Actually, everything

(36:00):
from Osho goes up on the website. So if you
want to find something that we've been talking about on
the radio, the easiest way to do it is to
go to news or zb dot co dot nz forward
slash Jack.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Inside scoop on all you need to know Saturday morning
with Jack dam News Talk.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Here we go.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Felicity knows video Jack, a little drizzle of chili oil
chili crisp to really pep up your leftover sober or
a rice bowl at lunch time will make all the difference. Yeah,
I reckon, I'm with you on that one. Actually see
it nowadays in the office. You see people like bringing
a little bit of katai fire or whatever, a little
bit of chili oil if they want to shures up
there lunch. Thank you for that, Felicity. After treen o'clock
this morning, we are going to be talking with our

(36:42):
resident doctor about the most common mineral deficiency in the world.
So what do you reckon it is? It's iron it
kind of makes sense for I feel like everyone in
our life struggles with this and struggles with iron deficiency,
and people have like it can be incredibly debilitating when
you're when you're low on iron obviously very very low energy.

(37:06):
But there are a couple of different treatments for iron
deficiencies these days, so you can have the pills, but
you can also have in some cases like an entire
iron supplement where they effectively hook you up to an
IV line and give you a bit of a transfusion.
So anyway, our resident doctor is going to be in
to talk about iron deficiency, the signs that you might

(37:26):
be experiencing an iron deficiency and what you can do
about it. And of course, right after the ten o'clock
news this morning, the grand Dame of crime fiction, Linda
la Plant is going to be with us. She is
one of these wonderful characters in the literature, in the
literature world, so she has won a Bafter, she's won

(37:47):
two Emmys. She is of course the creator of Prime Suspect,
that amazing series with Helen Mirren back in the day.
But she's actually got all sorts of other accolades to
her bow. So I was looking it up when I
was preparing for the interview. She's an obe Yep, ain't
no thing. Don't worry about that. But she's also been
a ward it an honorary fellowship of the Forensic Science Society,

(38:10):
because she's kind of taught herself forensic science in preparing
for all of her stories. So anyway, she's got a
brand new book. The book is called Scene of the
Crime Classic Lindela Plant. So she's going to be with
us right after the news that is just coming up
to ten o'clock though he is next. It's Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Taye.

Speaker 20 (38:28):
This is news Dog Zedvy.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Jam You've talked the.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Linda la Plant is the queen of crime fiction. She
has fifty novels Yep, you heard there, write fifty novels
to her name. She's the creator of hit shows like
Prime Suspect, Widows and Above Suspicion, and that there are
women on TV solving crimes at all is arguably down
to Linda, who's always placed determined and compelling heroines center stage.

(39:56):
Her latest novel, Scene of the Crime, introduces us to
a new lead detective CSI Jessica Russell as she investigates
a case that is not quite what it seems. The
incredible Linde la Plant is with us this morning. Kilder,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
We are so delighted to be speaking with you because
you are an extraordinary storyteller. It's curious, though, I think
you've penned more than more than fifty books now and
with all the stories you've told over the years, you
have for us a new lead character. Tell us about
scene of the crime and Detective Jessica Russell.

Speaker 16 (40:33):
Well, you know, it's quite difficult when you actually are
slightly pressurized to bring in a new character and even
more slightly pressurized to make her a woman. And you know,
I get sick to death of people saying you only
write strong women, because I don't only write strong women.

(40:56):
I write a lot of fabulous men. But anyway, what
happens will I do this podcast you see, which is
called Listening to the Dead, and it's me meeting all
the top forensic scientists, anyone connected to crime. And one
of the podcasts they had this incredible lady come in

(41:20):
and her name is Patricia wiltsher.

Speaker 15 (41:22):
She's very quiet, sort of to describe her, she really
does look like a very very pleasant aunt, very very
quietly spoken.

Speaker 16 (41:35):
She is lethal. This woman. I mean, she is a
botanist and has been called in to some of the
most horrific murders. And I'll give you an example of
this little quiet voice when she said one murder was
very interesting because they didn't know where the body had

(41:58):
been moved or come from. She was able to say,
you need to look for a close proximity of a
god that has an air apple and a pear tree.
The other thing too, you will find two not large
small bonfires, one using barbecue coals, another one with sticks.

(42:23):
And my god, they found exactly that location. I mean,
it was exactly as she'd described. And then she went
on telling me more and more, and every scientist I
met that had I mean their abilities were blood or
their ability was fingerprinting, And I mean you think, well,

(42:46):
I've seen fingerprinting on every single crime show. They're always
out with the duster, but the specific ones that how
they find them in very strange places and matching, and
they're all top, top scientists. So I thought, what in
a murder you could get all these scienceists together as

(43:08):
a team, because if you need a blood analysis to
come to say you're looking for a right handed person
who's using a six inch blade, but he's very large,
he's over six foot. They can describe in detail what
if you could get them, But mostly they're always very busy,

(43:29):
so you might have to wait two weeks a week
before one is available, particularly somebody as brilliant as the botanist.
And so I thought, what if you had a specific
team and when you had a really horrific murder, you
called them in asap. Together they form a unit. So

(43:50):
that's the basis of the scene of the crime.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
I have a unit.

Speaker 13 (43:56):
Now.

Speaker 16 (43:56):
At the head of that unit, I have Jessica. She's
not particularly People say, is she a bit like Jane Tennyson? No, no, no, no, no,
she's not. What is she really like. She's actually a
difficult customer. I don't think you particularly warmed to her immediately.

(44:19):
She's very tough, very sharp witted. And then things like
when you're writing and kind of giving birth to a
new character, you grab hold of things that happen. And
one of the women that I was interviewing on this
podcast has an ability she is a looksmith. She can

(44:45):
literally tell you what tools were used to open the
door and lock. And she had the most amazing laugh.
She was very very serious with her tools, at her
equipment going on, and then somebody said something and she
roared with this big gutter and I said, oh, I'm
going to use that. Jessica's got that laugh off. Gradually,

(45:09):
bit by bit, you build up. And so Jessica has
arrived and she's unusual. She's I mean mid thirties because
she's very experienced. She's a criminologist, psychologist, you name it.
She's done it, got it. But she is not a

(45:30):
police officer. She can't make an arrest. So these scientists
come together and give clues, one clue after another, and
it's some of it is so surprising because it's forensic
or forensic detail, and they film when they're working when
they're brought into a murder inquiry. And this one is

(45:53):
a particularly horrific one because the victim is beaten to
a pulp and he's in a coma and he's got
a huge knife stuck at his back and he's like,
is he going to live? How long has he got?
Is in a coma? What can we find and the
it's the awareness of how fast they can move through

(46:17):
a chrime scene and say to the police, this is
what you're looking for, and that's the key to the
scene of crime. I can go home now.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
I feel like everyone listening to this right now is
going to be online furiously trying to buy the book immediately.
And you've sold us completely. You know, you are quite
an extraordinary researcher, and over the years for your books,
you have interviewed mafia bosses, violent criminal, serial killers sometimes,

(46:53):
so I'm interested in this process and preps through this podcast.
You know you are able to describe it to us.
When you're interviewing people, are you looking for a kind
of psychological analysis so you understand them? Or why are
you looking for those little details? Be it a guttural
laugh with these you know, a woman with these fine tools,

(47:13):
what what are you looking for?

Speaker 16 (47:15):
Information? Information? Information? And actually, over and over again, I
keep saying to writers you should listen, because I'm asking
what every writer wants to know. How fast can you
get a result on this? And it's like, you know,
one person, he's a geologist, but he's a soil expert.

(47:39):
So when people are brought out to a crime and
can remove some soil from a car wheel and tell
you exactly where it's come from. Sam the footprint expert,
I mean what he can tell from a footprint. This
is a you know we always see on all these

(47:59):
crime show there's a footprint. The next minute they say,
take a cast of that, take a cost of that.
Then you see them typically in the why alabasteria to
get it. Then you see them looking at the cast.
This man is so observant and is so well trained.
He can look at never mind getting the plaster cast ready,
he can look at the print and say, you're looking

(48:21):
for an Adidas, you want a size ten. Now, what
is interesting about this print is the where on the
right hand side of the foot you're looking at somebody
has a distinct rolling walk and you're go, really, really
from a mark footprint. But that is how fast they work.

(48:42):
But there's all so experienced and they need very little
encouragement to begin to explain, and they are riveting. I mean,
I'm just absolutely a gog. When again the botanist again,
you know what she can say from looking where a

(49:03):
body is, and she can tell from the position of
grass if it was dragged, walked on how long it
has been there by the way the grass is leaning,
and you know, this is amazing. One murder, one murder.
She actually was another point, she said, this murder was

(49:24):
not in this area, and you had detectives thumping around,
you know, and the ribbons are up, and she said, no,
there was an oak tree leaf under the body and
it must have been on the body. And there are
no oak trees in that area. They had to go

(49:46):
to find an oak tree with a leaf that would
be in the same condition as the one under the.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
Things like that, you go, what so, yeah, you said
London that you you felt pressurized to have a strong
fing male character. You felt pressurized to get the story out.
I mean you have, I mean done more than almost
any modern author to elevate strong female characters. Why do

(50:17):
you feel pressurized?

Speaker 16 (50:20):
So publishers, you know, and it's they always use that expression.
It's what the public want, whether they want it or not.
I don't know, I don't think so they don't mind.
And you know right now, because every time my book
comes out, it's like it's gone from me. It went

(50:42):
away six seven months ago to get the cover.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Of you of course, to.

Speaker 16 (50:49):
Edit all that, So in the interim, I'm already writing
something else, and it's it's very very difficult because the
one I'm writing now is really tough for me because
it's the end of a character and a character I loved,
same name as you, Jack, and that is very very difficult.

(51:13):
And it's truthfully, you know, one is kind of not
allowed to really work the way you would like to work.
Your publishers will tell you time up, knock this character off.

Speaker 11 (51:34):
What's something new?

Speaker 16 (51:36):
It's quite People keep saying to me, why do you
keep right here? Your worker get commission? That's why you
know you've got to get a commission to ride?

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Yeah, yeah, Londa. Honestly, it is such a pleasure. We
could listen to you all day. Thank you so much
for giving us your time. Congratulations on the scene of
the crime. We're never going to be calling for you
to retire or anything like that. We just every story
you do as yet another blessing.

Speaker 16 (52:02):
So thank you, Thank you, Jack, Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
That is Linda Laplant. Her new book is seen at
the crime and all the details are on the news
talks they'd be website. You're with jactame on news Talks.
He'd be this Saturday morning before eleven o'clock. Our texpert
is in and in the US, they're having so many
issues with nine to one one that they've decided to
turn to AI. So they've had understaffing problems. Right people

(52:28):
have been calling the emergency emergency line trying to get
police or fire or ambulance or whatever, and there've been
lots of pranks. There have been lots of people accidentally calling,
so they've turned to AI to try and filter out
the real calls from the dummy ones. Anyway, he's going
to explain how that is working or isn't working when
he joins us very shortly, Plus, our resident doctor will
be in. He's talking iron deficiency this week, how to

(52:49):
know when you have it and what to do if
iron deficiency is making you feel incredibly run down. Next up, though,
three fantastic shows in our screen time segment for watching
or streaming at home. Twenty past ten year with Jack
Tame This is Newstalk's they'd be.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
All We Get off the Right Way Saturday morning with
Jack Daim News.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Talks at me Ah.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Jack loved that interview with Linda Laplant. What an inspiration
and at eighty two, A fantastic lady, Bob, says Jack.
For the first time a missing link between author and
reader has shown up. Now I have a real personality
to add to all the stories. Thank you, Thank you, Bob.
Ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us
a text this morning, jackinewsbalksb dot co dot m debt
is the email address. It's twenty three past ten, which

(53:34):
means it's Brah. Screen Time Time Tara Reward is our
screen time expert. Every week she brings in three shows
for watching or streaming at home. Goldatarakelder, Good morning. Let's begin,
how with the show streaming on TVNZ plus. Tell us
about Atomic.

Speaker 21 (53:52):
Yeah, this is the first of three action packed dramas
that I'm talking about today. This is Atomic. It's a
British drama that takes place in the North African desert
and it's about an English drug smuggler who is trying
to get to beirute. He meets a man called Jay.
They are forced to team up and become partners in crime,
and Max's intended trip to deliver the drugs goes off track.

(54:14):
They end up smuggling uranium across the Middle East. While
trying to avoid being caught by a CIA agent and
lots of other people who are after them as well,
and they have to make this decision do they save
themselves or do they stop the delivery of the uranium.
And this is a wild ride from the opening seconds
of the show. This drama starts as it means to

(54:36):
go on. It's action packed, it's violent, and it throws
a lot at you to start wife, but it's got
some great energy and humor as well. And it's the
kind of show where you're never quite sure who is
good and who is bad. The two main characters are
anti heroes. I wouldn't necessarily trust them with anything, and
yet they have this huge kind of moral decision to make.

(54:57):
But this has lots of twists and turns, lots of
beautiful scenery and a great cast Alfie Allen, Chazzad Latif
and Samara Wiley Starr in this. And I kind of
came to this not really knowing what to expect, but
really enjoyed it great.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
It sounds like a but that's atomic Yes on TVNZ
plus on Neon tell Us about King and Conqueror.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (55:17):
If you're a fan of shows like Vikings, or The
Last Kingdom or Game of Thrones. I think you'll also
like King and Conqueror. This is a new historical drama
starring James Norton and Juliet Stevenson, and it's about the
lead up to the Battle of Hastings in ten sixty
six and all the politics and power plays that were
going on between the English and the Normans before the battles.

(55:38):
So it's about the different families and all the characters
who are vying for power, but it's particularly about two men,
the Norman King William and England's King Harold, who both
have to navigate all sorts of threats and power plays
to get to where they are and who are destined
to meet and fight it out on the battlefield. I

(55:59):
don't know how historically accurate this show is. My guess.
The vibe I get from it is that they've been
quite loose the facts. It doesn't have the attention to
historical detail of something like wolf Hall, so just adjust
your expectations going into this. It is a bit slow
to start with. Lots of the scenes are filmed in
really low light, which I know can annoy a lot

(56:21):
of people. But if you love historical drama that will
transport you to another time and place and you can
look past the modern day dialogue and things like that.

Speaker 11 (56:29):
This is definitely worth checking out.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Okay, that's King and Conqueror. It's on Neon and on Netflix. Hostage.

Speaker 21 (56:36):
Yeah, Hostage came out on Netflix recently and went straight
away to being the most number one most watch show
here in New Zealand. This is a political thriller stars
Saran Jones, who's been in shows like Vigill and Doctor Foster.
She plays the British Prime Minister and she has a
difficult decision to make when her husband is kidnapped and
held hostage. Does she resign from the job and give

(56:58):
the terrorists what they want or does she try and
find out who is targeting her and her family and
work out if it's an inside job.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
Excuse me.

Speaker 21 (57:07):
And at the same time as the kidnapping, the PM
is hosting the right wing French president who's played by
Julie Delby, who is facing her own political dramas behind
the scenes. So there's a lot bubbling away here. Blackmail, corruption, murder,
scandal and again, I really enjoyed this one. It's very
much a Netflix thriller. So it's fast paced, lots of surprises,

(57:29):
a bit over the top, a bit silly at times,
but they really nail those dramatic end of episode cliffhangers
that just keep your watching, keep you hopped into the
next episode. This is just, you know, great entertainment. It's
very bingeable, strong performances and a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Excellent. Okay, that sounds great. That's Hostage. It's on Netflix.
Have you seen, speaking of vigil, have you seen series
two of the Julia?

Speaker 21 (57:54):
I know what I don't think I have?

Speaker 5 (57:56):
Is that available? Can we watch series two in New
zeal I?

Speaker 21 (58:00):
Serious one was on TVZ plus.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Yeah, yeah, to see if we can find it?

Speaker 22 (58:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (58:08):
I do wonder how they were top that first season
with the submarine and you know, where do you go
from there?

Speaker 5 (58:12):
It was very very good, wasn't it?

Speaker 6 (58:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (58:14):
So maybe, yeah, I think I noticed. There you go.
It's on TVs plus. Fantastic. Okay, that could be a
bit of me. Hey, I don't know if you've been
watching it, but I have really been getting into task
Master this season. Yes, it's just such a good cast.
This New Zealand series is such a good cast, like
an almost perfect cast. I would say, so, yeah, yeah,

(58:35):
that's my recommendation too. I'll add to your list.

Speaker 21 (58:37):
I agree, And it's it's so lovely just to have
something kind of silly and just fun to watch silly.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
And creator and yeah, yeah it is, and they're all
sort of the cast will kind of compliment each other.
I just think it's stupendous. So if if you feel
like a bit of escapis a bit of a laugh midweek,
I'm going to add Taskmaster to your list this week.
Thank you so much, Tara. So those shows once again.
Hostage is on Netflix, King and Conqueror is on Neon.

(59:04):
In that first show, Tara talked about the one with Them,
the British action thriller about the guys who are smuggling
uranium is on tv Z Plus and that one's called Atomic.
All of those shows will be on the news Talks website,
of course. Thank you for your feedback, Jack. Thank you.
That interview was brilliant with Linda la Platt. I really
appreciated you letting her tell her story. Fabulous and interview,

(59:25):
Jack jam packed listening value. Listening to Linda talk about
her writing is utterly thrilling, pun intendencies and very good.
She does she does just you know, the moment she
said good morning, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going
to love this. I'm going to really enjoy speaking with Linda.
So thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it as well.
It's ten thirty on News Talks.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
He'd be.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News talksb.

Speaker 22 (59:58):
An expert and Dying Film. Well, you can't let go,
you can't let go, you can't stop Carie.

Speaker 9 (01:00:12):
Why this is the best you see an indie rock superstars.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
They've kind of cracked the formula for perfectly crafted power pop,
insanely catchy guitar tunes, and conversational yet reflective lyrics. Yeah,
there's definitely that kind of conversational element. Ah, like I'm
singing a song, but I'm also talking to you. In
twenty twenty three, you might remember Barack Obama included them
in his summer playlist hell of an endorsement. Last year,

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they played at Coachella, and then this year. This week,
the Bests released their fourth album, So the album's called
straight Line was a lie. Our music reviewer Estelle has
had her ears to it. We're gonna play you a
couple of songs for mid day. Today, we're going to
catch up with the stelle get Her thoughts on the album.
I see where the Beths are heading to next, so

(01:01:12):
very much looking forward to that. Before eleven o'clock, Route
Climb passes in the garden for us, as he is
every week describing his garden to us and counting down
the days to the end of winter. Next up, our
texpert is in with the ways in which they're using
AI to deal with a problem on the nine to
one one emergency line twenty five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking
breakfast too.

Speaker 10 (01:01:38):
In New Zealand, who came to the company results party
yesterday with one hundred and twenty six million net profit
which is down thirteen point seven percent. There is a
five percent increase in the affairs coming as well. Greg
Furan is of course the chief executive, and a great
question around the economy. Do you see the pickup.

Speaker 23 (01:01:51):
It will happen, I would say to you, just at
the moment, it's still pretty hard going. Government passenger numbers
are down ten percent, corporate numbers are down five percent
on same time last year.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
But that will change.

Speaker 23 (01:02:01):
I'd hope that by now it would be picking up
as I'm sure everyone did, but it isn't.

Speaker 10 (01:02:06):
But it is just yet and you've written off the
rest of the year. Heaven, you cannot completely, but you're
not bullied.

Speaker 23 (01:02:11):
Yeah, certainly for us through to Christmas.

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
Back Monday from six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zb SO.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
In the US nine one one callers come up with
some very serious issues, sometimes come up with I faced
with some really serious issues sometimes and other times they
do come up with really silly things. Anyway, people working
in nine one one call centers have been totally swept
off their feet, and so they've come up with a
new solution to try and wade through some of the

(01:02:39):
slop they end up facing. And of course it's AI.
Our texpert Paul Steinhouse is here with the details. How
are they using AI?

Speaker 24 (01:02:46):
Paul, Yeah, you took the line from me as they
can you guess how in twenty twenty five it's gotta
be AI.

Speaker 14 (01:02:53):
They're using it jack to help triage. So I assume
that when you ring nine one one and you.

Speaker 24 (01:03:01):
End up at one of these call centers that has
the AI, it's going to ask you why your calling,
and then it will use its own knowledge is apparently
it's been trained on emergency calls.

Speaker 14 (01:03:14):
It probably has some real world knowledge of things as well,
and if it sounds urgent, it's going to straight over
to a person. But if you're ringing up about something
like a noise complaint.

Speaker 24 (01:03:25):
Or that you've lost your wallet or you know, the
cat stuck up in the tree, then it's probably going
to send you down a different.

Speaker 14 (01:03:34):
Part that deprioritize you. In fact, it can even like
actually fill in one of.

Speaker 24 (01:03:38):
The reports for you. It will help you do that,
you know, as a conversation, and then we'll file it
for you, or you can get someone to give you
a call back. But I'm just having like a thought
right that. You know, when you call one on one
in New Zealand and they say police, fire, ambulance.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
I'm having the same thought. I can hear yep, they do.
I can hear where you're going with this, But keep going.

Speaker 24 (01:03:59):
Can you imagine it doing the prompt like I don't
quite understand.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. Yeah, ah, my ass
is on fire. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Jack.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Please please repeat your centers. I didn't quite catch that,
just opera operator. Yeah, I mean I suppose if if
it's better or as good as understanding as a person
would be, because they must get all sorts of people
and all sorts of frantic situations who are struggling to communicate.
You know. If if it's as good as a person,

(01:04:31):
then great, I'm all for it. If it's not as
good as a person, then that could be well pretty tricky.

Speaker 24 (01:04:38):
Here's the thing, right these it's being deployed at some
of these really small because eh County, I think over
here it has their own one.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
One, one course system classic of course.

Speaker 24 (01:04:47):
Yeah, I know, I love it, and so terribly funded,
totally overworked. So your call may not even be answered.

Speaker 14 (01:04:54):
Right, That's the reality is that if your call doesn't
get that, you may not get answered.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
So would you prefer to talk.

Speaker 14 (01:04:59):
To an aar yes who may get it right? Or
talk to no one?

Speaker 18 (01:05:03):
Probably?

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
Why not something? If that's the binary, then I'm going
to go thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:05:07):
Yeah, well that's what they said too, right. They said
this as a pitch. They're like, we aren't replacing jobs.

Speaker 24 (01:05:13):
We are literally putting the AI into jobs we cannot
fill because these people are overworked, they're doing overtime.

Speaker 14 (01:05:18):
It's like, okay, that's probably a good use of AI.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
So tell us about Uncaged, this new company that says
they can make a durable, animal climate friendly material that
feels and even smells like leather.

Speaker 14 (01:05:31):
I know, isn't that crazy? Or when you get into
when you get into a car.

Speaker 24 (01:05:36):
And it's got that new car smell with the leather,
that's to me just a fantastic smell.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
It is amazing. How do you feel about leather seats though?
In a car? I don't mind leather seats, see, I mean,
I'm generally pro leather seats, except that you just want
to make sure that that your conditioning in the car
is really good. Because if you're all sweaty and then
you're sort of peeling yourself off the seat, that's obviously
not Red Peasant.

Speaker 14 (01:06:00):
You're driving the wrong cars, Jack Tame.

Speaker 24 (01:06:02):
You can even get cars these days that will cool
your seat for you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Oh, can you get seat coolers as well as.

Speaker 24 (01:06:07):
He Yeah, you just have to get the right options package.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
A seat cooler Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:06:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:06:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
Is that weird?

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:06:16):
Blows like air and stuff through it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
Anyway, they have got into the air.

Speaker 24 (01:06:21):
I think, like up and through it and keep it
up and through what unless someone's completely been lying to me,
But I believe we can cool your too.

Speaker 20 (01:06:31):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Yeah, I know, wow, I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
There you go.

Speaker 24 (01:06:36):
They've got a client on the list. You may not
heard of it, Jaguar Land Rover. They have just recently
partnered with Hayundai.

Speaker 14 (01:06:42):
They're going to be testing it.

Speaker 24 (01:06:43):
Out for their cars and trucks too. It's it's crazy
how much leather they use in some of these cars.
They said it can be between two and fourteen cow
hides to dick out the interior. So I guess, depending
on which premium package you pick, if you've got all
your seats and all your sides and things, you have
fourteen cows there. So you can imagine like, hey, if

(01:07:05):
we can do without that sounds like it's a good thing.
They say they can deliver a carbon footprint ninety five
percent lower than that of leather, but their big concern
is around how durable it is, and their concern is
around how it handles heat. And so one of the
things that they mentioned about this test that they're doing
is they're putting it in super hot temperatures for five

(01:07:25):
hundred hours to make sure that it actually stands up
to you know, every day use or your car sitting
there for a few days in the hot sun, and
it doesn't just sort of melt away because it is
a problem. And I don't know if you were a
person that had an Apple iPhone leather case, but they
got they did away with them, and they changed into
this synthetic material they call fine.

Speaker 14 (01:07:47):
Woven, right, and they talked it up, said it.

Speaker 24 (01:07:50):
Was going to be amazing, and it just was terrible.
It didn't hold up, and they've had to discontinue it. Right,
So leather is so durable, it's just not quite so
friendly for the cows.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
Okay, well that sounds some. Yeah, it sounds very interesting.
I'll be fascinat to see how it all kind of
works out. I cares fascinating too about these seat caelers
you're telling us about. Paul, Thank you very much for
Steinhouse bringing you all the tech news you need on
news Talks, there'd be It's seventeen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Said Morning Jack, my seven year old car has seat
callers very effective after the gym or on a summer's day.
Not a new thing. There you go. See this is
you can tell that I don't drive a cool car,
can't you? Well? Literally as a zing do they use
that it's like a refrigerant or is it just a
fan situation? Look, I'm all ears, I'm learning something this morning.

(01:08:47):
Time to catch up with our resident doctor, Doctor Brian
Biddy is in with us this morning. Cal to Brian, Oh,
cure Jack, did you have a seat cooler?

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
And you no, I don't No, absolutely not no, no, no,
no you And I've got to see I've got to
seek warmer, so.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Right totally, yeah, you go. Hey, anyway, we're talking mine
efficiency this morning. This is something that affects so many people,
the most common mineral deficiency worldwide. Why is iron so
important in the body.

Speaker 25 (01:09:17):
Look, it's really important for making red blood cells in
our blood. Now, these carry oxygen from our lungs around
our body, so very very important. So if we don't
have enough iron in our body, we don't produce enough
red blood cells and we develop something called iron deficiency anemia,
and that causes all sorts of problems. Also very important

(01:09:37):
for the immune system, and growth and development and children.
So a number of really really important functions for iron.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
Yeah, okay, how does it affect us if we don't
have enough iron on board?

Speaker 25 (01:09:48):
Look, whole range of symptoms. However, the commonest thing we
do see in practice is someone presents feeling tired or
fatigued or just run down, or may even comment that
they look pale or just light. There can be other
other symptoms such as headaches, feeling shorter breath, and very
interesting things like hair loss or brittle nails, are racing hard,

(01:10:11):
or sometimes just feeling really really cold or just feeling
the cold. So yeah, there's a range of very very
different symptoms that can occur with with iron deficiency anemia.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
And what causes it to happen.

Speaker 25 (01:10:25):
Look, there's three major causes. One, you can get blood
loss over time. So probably the commonest cause we do
see in practice is heavy period bleeding. So that's heavy
menstrual bleeding and woman and that's very very common. Sometimes
it can be very hidden blood loss causes such as
bleeding from the gut, and this can indicate a more
serious problem like bowel cancer for instance, and that needs

(01:10:48):
to be investigated.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Now.

Speaker 25 (01:10:50):
The other one big one is not eating enough iron
in our diet. Now, this is especially an issue if
you're vegan or vegetarian because obviously iron comes in red meat,
it also comes in chicken and fish, so if you're
not eating those, you can develop iron deficiency and in
the net and interestingly, it can be an issue for children.
So if you breastfeed exclusively, breastfeed for too long and

(01:11:13):
don't introduce solids around four to six months, children can
become iron defficient, anemia, become iron deficient, and that's because
there's not much iron and breast milk. So that's the
other thing we take note of. And the third one
is mal of what we call malabsorption, so not absorbing
enough iron through the stomach and probably bariatric surgery with

(01:11:34):
weight losses becoming more common. So yeah, people who have
bariatric surgery have to take iron supplements to make sure
they're getting enough iron.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
Yeah, right, So what can we do about it apart
from just eating lots more spinach and steak.

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
Yeah, So look, really really important.

Speaker 25 (01:11:50):
Look, if you're feeling very tired, run down, and you're
just not feeling quite right, make sure you do see
your GP for a very simple blood test that we
do that says, look, you don't have enough iron on board. Now,
if there's an underlying cause like causing the blood loss,
such as the heavy pairs or we're worried about bleeding
from the vowel, we investigate that and treat that to

(01:12:11):
stop the iron loss. But obviously diet's incredibly important. So look,
you know meat, fish, chicken, very very important source of iron.
But if you are vegan or vegetarian, make sure you
adjust your diets. You need to have lots of green
leafy vegetables, nuts and seeds and fruit. So vitamin C
is very important for iron absorption, so having fruit with

(01:12:35):
your meals becomes very important. And a little trick here
is you have to be careful with tannins in coffee
or tea because they actually stop iron bean absorbed.

Speaker 6 (01:12:45):
So you need to be careful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:12:48):
So sometimes look, sometimes regardless of that, you do need
iron supplements to boost your iron. An occasion you need
what's called iron infusion, where we infuse iron directly into
the veins to back up and to build up your
iron stores. But baseline is, look, if you're concerned s GEP,
he get a simple blood test and start to get

(01:13:08):
it treated.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Yeah right, I'm sure she won't mind me saying this.
But my wife when she was that she you know,
has has low iron sometimes, and when she was pregnant,
she went in and got an iron transfusion and or
infusion I suppose, And my god, it made a difference,
Like it was night and day. It was like she

(01:13:31):
suddenly felt like she needed three hours of sleep less
every day and she still had more energy. Like it
was really just remarkable to see how a mineral deficiency
like that could fundamentally change her day to day life.
Like it really was just crazy, so extreme end of
the treatments, but yeah, yeah, it's they feel.

Speaker 25 (01:13:51):
So much better once they treat the iron deficiency. And
pre and pregnancy is important because there's so much more
demands on iron and the body with growing the baby
inside the uterus that iron deficiency can actually be a
problem pregnancy as well, so important to treat it because
it's so important for the development of the fetus and
the baby.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
Hey, thank you so much, appreciate your time. Brian. Dr
Brian Biddy with us this morning. Here you go. Turns up,
Brian and I have the wrong card. Jack, both my
twenty sixteen tomorrow and my twenty twenty one Silverado have
heated and cooled front seats, Thank you very much. Nine
to eleven on News Dogs, he'd be gardening.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
We're still sharp dollars off selected still tools for dad.

Speaker 18 (01:14:30):
Rude.

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
Time passes our man in the garden.

Speaker 18 (01:14:32):
Good morning, sir, Good morning, And I am in the
garden because it's it's getting into September.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
I know, I know that, won't you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
So what is the date? How many how many days? Hours,
minute seconds do we have to go into We're justly.

Speaker 18 (01:14:46):
I'm not going to do that because nobody listens to
me anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Know I always listen to you. That's why I have
to check with you when you winners.

Speaker 18 (01:14:51):
It it's probably diff I haven't looked. Actually, I think
it's the twenty first of September. Oh that's all I
can tell you at this stage. But the point is
it's it's been actually quite a strange winter because we
had twenty degre easy christis a couple of days that
was quite something. Yes twenty twenty one, yesterday twenty one

(01:15:12):
unbelievable anyway. But the point is now is the time
to actually start looking at what you want to plant
for the next springtime. So I thought, I put that
this is actually a good time to actually get your
stuff together. So the cool thing is what we quite
often do. We get the King's Seed catalog. We don't
get one, we get two because all they all know
that Julie wants her catalog and I want mine, and

(01:15:36):
I do the tomatoes and the food delicacy, and Julie
does all the pretty stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
You know, I'm with you, but maybe it's a hunter
together thing. You know, I like and I like stuff
you can eat.

Speaker 6 (01:15:49):
So do I.

Speaker 18 (01:15:50):
And there's what I say that I always choose the
plant species that close to our heart, art and our stomach.
And if you think you go so Tomato, I'll start
off with tomatoes because it's my king. So there's a
whole lot actually, but you don't have to. You can
look it up online and of course on the website.

(01:16:14):
But Tomato said, I'm looking at this bloody butcher tigerrella
and cherry tomatoes, which are quite common things. But maybe
you remember that last March we talked about the Gardener's Delight,
which was the thing that I got from a guy
in Tiana, flear of mine. Tiana, which is a really
lovely large cherry tomato if you like. So I found

(01:16:38):
it and I'm going to plant it now because I
gave you some seeds. I gave some other people some seeds.
Now it's the time to start doing that. Okay, there's
number one. There's also a black crem and Tessalonike that
I like, especially tessaloni Key because my builder, the guy
that always does all my work, he's a wonderful scotsman.
He loves Tessalonik for some reason. Then, so I always

(01:16:58):
have a couple of those for him as payment. That's
how it works. I'm also doing sugar baby watermelon because
I haven't had those for a long time and they
are brilliant and you can you can really grow those
in Auckland very well too, by the way, So have
a go if you're like nice, incredibly sweet sugar baby watermelons.
Beautiful thing, right, And then Julie goes. Of course, she

(01:17:23):
started interfering with by tomatoes. She wanted some Brandy wines
and some Kelek's Breakfast tomatoes. There you go, hello, Then
tomatoes tomatoes that's the name of it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
Yes, yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 18 (01:17:37):
So she does all this sort of nonsense, and then
she goes to all these strange things like she wants
to grow ornamental bananas.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
Oh okay, yes, pink one, yes, exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
Banana pink.

Speaker 18 (01:17:52):
Oh my god. Again this is the stuff. I got
it from King Seats, but you can get it probably everywhere.
Cosmos is another thing that she wants to do. And
then there's zenia, and zinnia is a beautiful thing, lime
colored folks. Look on the internet and you'll find all
our favorite ge ish.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Love your work, sir, Thank you so much. Rude climb
past in the garden. The eleven o'clock News is next.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Saturday morning, with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
US Talk set B.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Good morning, if you're just joining us this morning, it
is so good to have you with us. Jack Tame
with you on news talks. He'd be through the midday today.
An incredible story out of White and Upper earlier this week.
This thing's gone global, and rightfully so. This woman was
Giselle was in the garden doing it a weeding when
all of a sudden, a snail fell between her fingers

(01:19:11):
down into the dirt. And I'm incredibly impressed that she
noticed this, because I can't say that I would have,
but she noticed there was something just a little bit
weird with the snail. She looked at him, and she
realized that the snail's shell had the spiral on its
left hand side. Now, once again, I have never thought
about this, but apparently almost all snails have the spiral

(01:19:33):
on the right hand side. In fact, just one in
forty thousand snails has the spiral of their shell on
the left hand side. It's kind of a little miracle,
but it's kind of bad news for the snail at
the center of this. She's named him Ned, and Ned
is going to have a very very difficult time making

(01:19:54):
new needs junior needs in the future because having the
spiral on the left hand side means that he can't
mate with snails who have their spiral on the right
hand side. So now they have launched a global campaign
to try and find Ned a mate. I'll tell you what, though,
this whole thing has made me think. First of all,
I had no idea that snails always had their spiral

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on the right. Second of all, the number of times
that I've killed snails or even put out snail bait
without thinking about this, and did you know I'm going
to just google this now. Snails live between two and
five years on average in the wild. So even though
it's a bit of a race against time for poor

(01:20:36):
old Ned, I suppose all hope is not lost like
it is feasible, if unlikely, that we might be able
to find Ned true love before Ned finds a sticky end. Anyway,
amazing little story, A so good on Giselle and her
garden and wid it up and who managed to come
across that one and forty thousand. I mean it's basically
loto dds, isn't it. I'll probably go with Loto over

(01:20:58):
finding a left spiraled snail. But there you go. Before
midday on news Talk z'd be, We're going to catch
up with our book reviewers. She's read Manhattan Down, which
is Michael his brand new book, plus brand new music
from Kiwi Indipop Legends the Bets. They've got a new
album out called straight Line was a Lie. So I'm
going to make sure we save time so you can
listen to a couple of those songs right now, though

(01:21:19):
it has just coming up to ten past eleven.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
Jack Team trying to catch.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Up with clindical psychologist Google Sutherland, who is all with
us this morning, Calder Doogle.

Speaker 8 (01:21:27):
Cileder Jack And I'm trying to think of a segue
between that little section about the snail and the topic
for today.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Well, I mean your topic for today is whether or
not pets are good for us? And I suppose that
need technically counts, doesn't heah.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
I guess you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
Somebody some more convinced.

Speaker 26 (01:21:47):
I'm sure somebody gets yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
You know, different strokes for different folks.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
Get a case on the job, they'll be able to
argue that the average snail, the right the right spiral
snail probably doesn't count as a as a pet, but
given needs spirals on his left hand side, maybe maybe
he doesn't. Maybe something special absolutely. But it's funny because
the sort of the general common thought, like the mainstream

(01:22:13):
kind of theory would I would have been, I thought
that pets are good for your mental health. Having a
pet means having a companion, it means getting outside, it
means all sorts of good things. But you're looking at
new research this morning that suggests the reality is a
little more nuanced than that.

Speaker 8 (01:22:31):
Yeah, And I think nuanced is a good word. There
certainly is evidence to show that having a pet is
good for your well being. There's a one of my
favorite studies to quote, they were looking at levels of oxytocin.
So oxytocin is the thing that makes you feel good,
you know, if you have a positive interaction with somebody,
and they measured it in dogs and and owners, and

(01:22:52):
if you looked into your dog's eyes for a minute,
then both the dog and the human got a hit
of oxytocin. And interestingly, the comparison group for that study
was dogs, dogs in their owners and wolves. And there
are and people that owned wolves looked in their wolve's
eyes for a minute and nobody got a hit of
oxy toasting out of that one. Yeah, But so you know,

(01:23:14):
there's certainly evidence to show that having a dog, or
not just a dog, any sort of pet can be
can be good for your well being. But for some
people it's actually not. And you know, you often hear
these terrible stories on the radio or on the news
around you know, animals being abandoned, and it was a
particular thing, you know, post COVID people. A lot of
people got pets during COVID, and for some people it

(01:23:38):
actually makes them feel worse. And so it's a really
I think important thing to think about, particularly before you're
getting an animal. Actually is this going to help us
as a family or is this actually going to be
something that in the long term isn't actually all that
helpful for us.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Yeah, that's an intriguing aa. So so to talk to
us a little bit more about some of those downsides
and what and what people perhaps hadn't anticipated, because obviously
it's a huge commitment.

Speaker 8 (01:24:03):
Yeah, and so that's one of them, is that sort
of level of commitment and the financial kind of stress.
It's another it's another mouth to feed, literally, it's another
thing to do. You have to take them for a
walk or exercise them if they're a dog. And obviously
the bigger the pet, the more of this can be
a bit of a burden. You've got to think about
what they're going to do during the day and who's

(01:24:25):
going to look after them, So that that's a bit
of a that's that can be a bit of a burden.
Also are those people who have what we call insecure attachments.
So an attachment is sort of describes the quality of
relationship that you have with with somebody and we typically
think about attachments as infants and their parents that that's

(01:24:45):
the that's the sort of standard that we think about
with attachments. But you can obviously have attachments with your
pets as well. And there's a thing called insecure attachment,
where the insecurity is around you know, leaving them, departing
from them is filled with anxiety and you're not quite
sure what's going to happen and will they be there
when you come back. And for those people, actually having

(01:25:06):
a pet can create almost more loneliness and a poorer
sense of well being because you spend a lot of
time thinking and worrying about it. Are they going to
be okay?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
And it becomes a burden.

Speaker 8 (01:25:17):
Yeah, And that can be matched by animals too. Animals
can also have that sort of attachment. And you know,
you hear about particularly dogs that wine and yelp during
the day because they're lonely essentially. So those are useful
things to think about, sort of on the downside, at
least for getting a pet.

Speaker 5 (01:25:35):
Yeah, So what about the upsides? What about the things
that will know, the things you can do, the things
you can be mindful of, the kind of dynamics that
make pet ownership a really beneficial thing for both parties.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Yeah, look, I think.

Speaker 7 (01:25:52):
Certainly.

Speaker 6 (01:25:54):
Well, there are a couple of things.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
So one is being sort of mindfully interacting with your pets.
So that's sort of taking time to actually spend time
with them and be with them and you know, just
lay some attention on them really and whether that's active
playing with them or patting them, petting them or taking
them for a walk, that that can be really helpful.

(01:26:16):
And and that's the theory behind you know, we know
about support animals for people with various forms of disabilities,
and that's the idea about behind those is that it
makes you feel there's a it's a sense of companionship
and you're paying attention to that. The other interesting feature
is that if you if you feel like you have
sort of some sort of shared identity with your with

(01:26:39):
your pets, then you often feel a closer relationship with them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
And you know, we have.

Speaker 8 (01:26:43):
That old old adage around if you know, owners look
like their pets, and so if you you know, if
you look like your pet, you identify with them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
You're probably going to get along a lot better with them.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
That's amazing saying if you look like your pet, you
get along better.

Speaker 8 (01:27:00):
Well that well, you could do that, yeah, because you
identify more with them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
It's like, oh, they're a bit like me and I fight.

Speaker 26 (01:27:06):
Which is sort of interesting because I was pulling this
together and actually one of our dogs is right at
my feet at the moment, and we've got little miniature Snausers,
you know, that black and white ones with the big
eyebrows and the big I don't know quite what that
says about me, but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
We certainly love our dogs.

Speaker 8 (01:27:23):
But maybe perhaps I do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Look like them a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
I think you go a miniature Schnauzer over like a
like a bulldog or a pug or something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:33):
I think so, yeah, yeah, I think that's I think
Schnauzers more me than something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
Oh that is fascinating. Thank you so much. Doiggle great
like you say, But a nuance in there, which is
interesting and just like kind of underscores the importance of
thinking very carefully before making an investment in the pete
because yeah, some people don't find it's all cracked out
to be Thank you so much, really appreciate it. That
is Google Sutherlan from Umbrella Wellbeing with us this morning

(01:28:00):
In a couple of minutes, our travel correspondent is taking
us to Australia. He's traveling through Hamilton Iland and the
wit Sundays, which are nice and tropical at this time
of year. Sixteen past eleven on Newstalks.

Speaker 6 (01:28:11):
He'd be travel with Windy Woo Tours. Where the World
Is yours book now.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
Mike Hardley is our travel corresponding. He's here with us today.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Hey Mike, good morning Jack.

Speaker 13 (01:28:21):
I think I've discovered the definition of when spring starts.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
Ah dafidels in Hagley Park.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
That's a good one.

Speaker 13 (01:28:30):
Even worse than that, and ever present in Christis at
the moment the pollen bomb in the bomb strikes the city.
So there are so many cars around at the moment
with like this film of yellow dust, yeah, all over
the windscreen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
So I think that's the sign of spring. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
I think it's also in our house. It's just when
my when my wife like can't sleep because her hay
fever is so overwhelming like that this time of year
it really starts to kick in as well, and she's
on all of the you know, all of the hay fever.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
Yeah, yeah, the work.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
But yeah, I know that and the with the pomen
bomb is like it's quite Stainyyay it's up. Yeah, off
your car, off your clothes or anything else. Yeah, that's
a very nad Yeah, thank you. Hey, we're talking Hamilton
Island in Sundays this morning. And Hamilton Island is unique
in that. Isn't it family owned?

Speaker 14 (01:29:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
It is.

Speaker 13 (01:29:25):
And if you've ever fancied having a bit of a
devil in the wit Sundays, I'd highly recommend it. I
have just knocked it off my bucket list. It's been
bobbing on it for quite a while. And Hamilton Island
is quite unique because it's owned by the Oatly family.
They made their fortune and wine. They're still quite a
big player in the Aussie wine industry. But it's extraordinary.

(01:29:47):
They bought it twenty years ago for two hundred million dollars.
Would you like an island today? Yes, here's two hundred
million dollars. They've spent as you do, they've spent half
a billion dollars on its developments. So it's got all
the tropical island resort feels and it's a very catering,
embracing sort of, so there's accommodation there to suit all budgets.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
Nice. Is it the best island to stay at if
you're in the Wit Sundays?

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
I think so, Jack.

Speaker 13 (01:30:16):
Yeah, there's only a few of the Whitsunday Islands that
are inhabited, so Hemo as the locals call it, I
think is a really good base because there are so
many excursion options from Hamilton Island and it's only a
nineteen minute direct flight onto the island from Brisbane, and

(01:30:36):
that in itself is such a stunning visual experience as Yeah,
you know, on final approach into the Wit Sundays and
you see all of those islands just fanning out into
the Coral Sea, that is just stunning. The other really
cool thing is it's amazing here you will be mixing with.
So there are a lists of lebs on Hamilton Island,

(01:30:56):
lots of some loving families, lots of loved dup couples
as you would well expect, and it's interesting a lot
of people go for different reasons. Some just go to
look at the candy flo sunsets, some go for the amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Culinary scene on Hamilton Island.

Speaker 13 (01:31:11):
Then you've got the day spars for the likes of
Jack tame Um and of course you've got the Barrier
Reef and all of its wondrous underwater encounters.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
So where did you do the snorkeling on the reef?

Speaker 13 (01:31:23):
Yeah, I went to Hardy Reef, which is part of
the Great Barriers Outer Reef. So it was about forty
nautical miles east of Hamilton Island and you really do
feel like you're venturing out for a big day trip.
I went with a company called Cruise Whit Sundays and
they have got this extraordinary pontoon at Hardy Reefs. It's

(01:31:47):
sort of like a sundeck, a chopper pad and an
underwater observatory all in one structure. Yeah, it's just incredible.
And of course the water there is like liquid cellophane.
So after you've had your snorkel and a bit of
time with the fish in the coral, another all some
option is to take to the sky in a helicopter

(01:32:10):
from that reef, Hardy Reef, And what a lot of
people love to go and do is see from above
Art Reef. And I'm sure you've seen Heart Reef on Instagram.
It's one of those little winds to superstars because it
is shaped like a love heart, so you can do
that just on a ten minute chop a ride from

(01:32:30):
Hardy Reef.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
Oh nice. So what about white Haven Beach?

Speaker 13 (01:32:35):
Yes, a very short jaunt from Hamilton Island is to
whit Sunday Island right across the water, and that's home
to white Haven Beach. It is blindingly beautiful. So imagine
you've got a seven kilometer long sweep of swirling, snowy, white,

(01:32:56):
squeaky silica sand that is white Haven Beach and it's
edged by turquoise lagoon like water, backed by undulating rain feur.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
It really is spectacular.

Speaker 13 (01:33:08):
And this is where Johnny Depp shot a sequence of
his last Pirates of the Caribbean movie, and of course
that it was not without incident, because this is the
notorious trip which featured the dogs Brystill and.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Boo and Barnaby Joweys. Was it Barnaby and Barnaby Joyce?

Speaker 13 (01:33:27):
Yes, I think I think Barnaby wanted those dogs shot. Actually,
every local I spoke to on Hamilton Island said Depp
remained in character as Captain Jack on an offset. Apparently
he was a total jerk around the clock, disorderedly, totally obnoxious,
and he was there for six weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Sundays.

Speaker 13 (01:33:48):
The most amazing thing, Jack, The on location production on
white Haven Beach cost forty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
And if you.

Speaker 13 (01:33:58):
Watch that Pirates of the Caribee movie, there's only thirty
seconds of footage from white Haven Beach. Million bucks. Thanks
for coming.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
That's ine, isn't it? So do you reckon? Should you
watch Pirates of the Caribbean before going just or just
watched thirty seconds as Pirates of the Caribbean. Maybe we
can go online and find out the exact minute that
you see white Haven Beach that you get a scent
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
That's it. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:34:21):
The thing that I can work out, Jack, is like
it was obviously meant to look like the Caribbean. So
why would they why would they go to white Haven
Beach when they're wanting to channel the Caribbean.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
That is weird, isn't it. There must be a reason.
There's going to be a tax. It's always agains on
these big shows and big movie productions.

Speaker 6 (01:34:37):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
Yeah, that's fascinating. So indigenous tourism is expanding its offerings
in the wit Sundays A.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 13 (01:34:45):
And whit Sunday Island is fully protected. It's part of
the National Park home to the Narrow people for ten
thousand years.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
It was interesting.

Speaker 13 (01:34:53):
I had a fabulous Scenari guide who was showing around
and he said that when James Cook cruised through the area,
some of the Nari were recruited by Cook as outriggers
to guide the Indeva through the barrier reef because you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Know, it's obviously so peril for a ship.

Speaker 13 (01:35:08):
And opening nely next year, the Maori are offering a
guided overnight camping trail all around with Sunday Island, so
it will open up a whole lot of areas that
you can't actually get to at the moment, including the
big treasure eight thousand year old rock paintings that are
preserved in the island cave.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
So tell you what anared god.

Speaker 13 (01:35:30):
He introduced me to this amazing spider, the golden orb
weaver spider, which you can find on this island. My god,
these things are a site. The female's jack are as
big as a dinner plate. Wow, they are enormous and amazingly,
the males are just a tenth of the size of

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the female, which is quite a biological head scratcher.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
Yeah, how incredible. So are you putting on the spot here.
How did the now do people get to the with sundays?
Because if it's a ninety minute flight from the mainland,
that's quite a stunts, right, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:36:08):
If you look at a map of Northern Queensland, those
were Sundays that they sort of like fan out from
the mainland.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Yeah, so obviously a bit like.

Speaker 13 (01:36:17):
How Aboriginal people supposedly came down from Papua New Guinea
through the TV Islands into Northern Australia. I would imagine
a lot of this has to do with ice age,
you know, movement of water lines.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
Ah, yeah, the ocean going though.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Right, yeah, yeah, oh absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
Can you can you see that? Can you see the
islands from the mainland?

Speaker 13 (01:36:41):
Yes, okay, yeah, definitely definitely it's a ninety minute flight
from Brisbane.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
I Hamilton Islands.

Speaker 13 (01:36:48):
Yeah, a lot of those Barrier Reef islands, like pre
ice Age, they were actually joined to the mainland, so of.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
Course, of course, yeah, and then when the sea level
rose it became up. Yeah right, but no, I mean
if you can see the islands from the mainland, then
that makes sense. Like I'm always amazed, you know, like
you know, you think, I mean, ibviously, Mardi arriving in
New Zealand. But you think about Mardi on the Chatham Islands,
for example, Well, that's there's a little dot in a
big ocean. You know, someone someone that's a I really

(01:37:16):
had to cast off with clear water for that for
that trip. Yeah, okay, this sounds amazing. So any other
activities you would recommend in the with Sundays.

Speaker 13 (01:37:25):
Yeah, definitely jump on a catamaran for a sunset cruise,
because yeah, there was something so cool about those with
Sunday islands, how they sort of necklace their way out
into the sea and when the sun sets, you get
this tangerine glow across the silhouette of all of those islands,
and the web and jacket resembles the silhouette of a

(01:37:47):
giant crocodile reaching out into the sea. I just loved that.
The other funny thing was the sunset cruise. It just
spontaneously morphed into a whale watching cruise. So we were
only like one hundred meters or so off the shoreline
of Hamilton Island and there was a pot of frisky humpback.
I just turned on this big, splashy aquatic show one

(01:38:10):
hundred meters off the shoreline.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
That's ridiculous. That's amazing. Yeah, Oh that's incredible. Okay, well
I'm very envious. I have I have done a little
bit of the Barrier reef further north up off the
coast of can Yeah, but that does sound that sounds
like a.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Bit of me.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
A great little a great little spot for a break
in the winter of the future. Perhaps, Thanks so much, Mike.
We will put all of Mike's tips for enjoying Hamilton
Island in the Sunday's up on the News Talk ZEDB
website and a couple of minutes, Jason Pine is in.
He is hosting Weekend Sport this afternoon. We'll see what
he's got planned. So it's coming up to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
This is the best They've got a brand new album.
It's called Straight Live Was a Lie. Straight Line was
a Lie. So we're going to listen to it before midday.
Play you a couple of other songs from that album.
Right now. It's twenty three to twelve and it was
a stressful watch for Warriors fans last night against the Eels.
If they'd won the game, they pretty much would have

(01:39:41):
signed up fourth place, but that wasn't the case in
the end. They fell by four points and there was
a controversial decision. Jason Pine is going to look at
this afternoon on Weekend Sport. What did you make of
the call? Piney? Was it a knock on or not?
Never a knock on?

Speaker 19 (01:39:55):
Never in a million years? Well, okay, we'll put it
this way that you can't convince me there is unequivocal
evidence that it is.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Yeah, yeah, the key term being unequivocal. Right, yeah, literally,
so yeah, exactly, So, I mean I thought it probably wasn't,
but but unequivocal evidence, that's a different threshold. Well dimetric.

Speaker 19 (01:40:14):
Valmonger said afterwards he did touch it, Okay, so we
can remove that he it has it has flicked his fingers,
but has it definitely gone forward?

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:40:22):
Sure that the camera angles We saw the same one
the bunker seas really unless they've got secret cameras. Look
they've said afterwards, and this is so right, said Vamonger
said it, Andrew Webster said it, James Fisher Harra said it. Look,
that's not the reason we lost the game. But the
fact remains if it had stood that try kick in front,
so Tanner Boyd would know that they are ahead twenty eight,

(01:40:43):
twenty six or five minutes to go.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
Yeah, and when they had all the momentum and yeah,
and the second half of that second half they had, yeah,
last quarter of the game, it was all worries, right.

Speaker 19 (01:40:50):
Yeah, But they got themselves into a situation where they
have to chase the game. That's the other frustrating cart. Look,
we all know the team the Warriors can be, and
that I think is the most frustrating part of all
of this. Yeah, we know what they can do on
their day and across an eighty minute period. If they
can play like as you say they did in that
last twenty let's say they'll.

Speaker 5 (01:41:10):
Beat most teams totally.

Speaker 19 (01:41:11):
But yeah, but now they're in the situation where as
you say, the top four is again out of their hands.
One or both of the Broncos and Sharks could go
past them, So they could end the weekend in sixth position.
They have to go to Manly and beat the Sea
Eagles over there in their favor. Both the Sharks and
the Broncos have tough games next weekend. The Sharks have

(01:41:32):
got the Bulldogs. The Broncos have got the storm, as
I heard savay to earlier. Certainly no foregone conclusion there,
So there's a bit of rugby league to be played.
But yeah, but for that call last night, and I
never want to blame things entirely on it. No, no, no,
I think we can certainly say that that had the
try stood then we'd be having a different conversation today anyway,

(01:41:53):
Cam George, CEO of the club, is going to join
us after midday for a chat. Looking forward to having
a chat to him about that and about the implications
of a home game and the playoffs and also the
other parts of the club too. The reserve side of
the new South Bolt Cup side is appsolutely killing it
in their competition. Yeah, and the women are back as
well and just one point outside their top top six.
So yeah, they have a wide ranging rugby league chat

(01:42:14):
after midday.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
Nice and as well as that. This time next week
we'll be counting down to kick off. Caleb Clark's on
the show this afternoon.

Speaker 19 (01:42:21):
He is, indeed, yes, he's going to join us after two.
If he gets through a game tomorrow for Auckland against Wellington,
then he certainly comes back in to the equation and
also brighton pauls a one of the great outside backs
for South Africa. Yeah, he played against Jonah five times
and Jonah never scored and he was marking him and
breaking Paul's rain. A big guy, so how do you
stop Jonah? He obviously had the hang of it. So

(01:42:43):
we'll have a bit of a chat about that. And yeah, look,
I can't wait for next weekend. We're taking the show
out and about again next Saturday, Jack, So looking forward
to that. The kings Land are not far from Eden.
Parker is where the show will come from next Saturday,
so looking forward to that. But yeah, we'll a week
out sort of gauge how everybody's feeling about what is
a massive Test match in seven days.

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
Very good, looking forward to it. Thank you, Sir Jason
Chin on the radio this afternoon, he's hosting Weekend Sport
and he'll be with us right after the midday news.
Before midday that new music from the Beths and next
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a brand new read from Michael Cordy. Right now, it
is twenty three minutes to twelve.

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Speaker 27 (01:43:41):
So this is an action packed thriller. And the climate
crisis has reached this very critical moment in times running
out for the world, particularly the richest nations, and they
decide to take some to decisive action to save the planet.
And so world leaders have gathered for a United Nations
summit at the UN headquarters in New York, and it's
been termed the Summit of Resilience and Hope. And you know,

(01:44:03):
there's swell foring templatures and thousands of protests. And this
woman called Samantha Rossi insists her daughter, teenage daughter Zoe,
has to attend school and not the protest. And then
there's more things that go on in this very distressing
news And meanwhile there's this detective, a guy called Nick Lockwood,
whose attempt to protect us of pars partner Paula O'Malley,

(01:44:25):
when she leads a chase and she's into conspiracy, therapies
and all sorts of things. And he wakes up eight
days later from a coma, and when he wakes up,
he discovers that everybody in the city at five twenty
five has fallen unconscious, apart from him and Samantha. And
then there's this group who identified themselves using only the
names of the Seven Deadly Sins and are out for revenge.

(01:44:47):
And they've got this list of demands and they're determined
that they're going to destroy Manhattan and everybody in it.
And of course the plot's completely outlandish and it's got
lots of twists, but it's a very thought provoking novel
based on, you know, lots of things that we kind
of see happening in the world now, and it kind
of brings in that real world. Is this really so

(01:45:08):
far removed from what's going on now? And it's yea
makes it makes you think a little bit more nice.

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
Okay, cool, that's Manhatten Down. That's by Michael Cordy. You've
also read The Cutthroat Trial by s. J. Fleet, So
this is sorry the cutthroat trial by es J. Fleet
The Secret Barrister.

Speaker 27 (01:45:25):
Yes, so that says kind of s. J. Fleet is
a pen name and has written under a name called
The Secret Barrister as well, so it kind of gives
them a bit of an idea what the book might
be about. But and this is the King versus three
teenage boys Craig Mervin Scott, Aaron Freeman and Jamil Lowten
and they charged with the murder of Bernard Cooper, who
was a seventy seventy four year old retired headteacher. And

(01:45:49):
this happens and takes place on the first of January
twenty twenty four, So we kind of meet all of
this in the middle of the murder trial at Ablefield
Crown Court. And it's a really gripping story and it
takes place almost entirely in the courtroom, and you watch
the trial unfold and in and outs, and the testimony
from witnesses and defendants and evidence along the way, and

(01:46:11):
all with kind of this question in your head about
who's telling the truth and what really happened. And it's
told from different points of view, the prosecuting barrister, a
defense barrister, the judge, and two defendants, and so you
get all that complexity of the law and its applications,
but you get to see kind of the minds of
the characters as well, because you form opinions about those

(01:46:33):
people and you're hearing about their histories and their backgrounds,
not just of the defendants but the barristers and the
police and the judge. And so those courtroom scenes become
intensely suspenseful as those questions and authors go back and
forth and twists that are unexpected, and just as you
think you really know what's going on, things literally change.
And it's a really compelling look at the imperfections of

(01:46:55):
the justice system by and written by someone who I
think knows an awful lot about this, and it really
feels like it when you're reading the book.

Speaker 5 (01:47:04):
Yeah, okay, it sounds really interesting, all right. It is
The Cutthroat Trial by East J. Fleet, The Secret be
Barrister Catherine's first book, Manhattan Down by Michael Cordy. Both
of those will Beyond the News Talks'd be website. The
Beths have just released their brand new album. It's their
fourth it's called straight Line Was a Lie. They are
kind of top of the pops when it comes to

(01:47:24):
New Zealand indie pop groups. So we're gonna have a
bit of a listen to the album next.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you need to
Know Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News talks it the.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
I don't have, would you have?

Speaker 22 (01:47:39):
I don't see quad you see?

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
But I never take get away?

Speaker 20 (01:47:48):
Mother?

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Pray for me?

Speaker 13 (01:47:54):
Mother?

Speaker 28 (01:47:54):
Will you talk.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
To me?

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
I don't know the time in which somewhere in the
middle there's a pigeon that we speak, but it is
sad enough. Don't give up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Mother, Pray for me.

Speaker 5 (01:48:26):
That is Mother, Pray for me. By the best. The
new album is straight Line was a Lie cliff Is
our music Views. She's been listening to it and she's
with us.

Speaker 14 (01:48:34):
Now, Hey, oh my name.

Speaker 29 (01:48:37):
What a great song to start on. It's not the
whole album.

Speaker 5 (01:48:39):
No, it's not the whole album.

Speaker 30 (01:48:41):
It's just a very emotional take on Blizz talking about
the relationship that she has with her mother or the
part that she wants to work on with her mom.
I'm like, this was actually a bit of a tear
relesse for me. When I heard the song the first time,
I was like, how beautiful because She's actually talked to
her about how during making this album she struggled to

(01:49:02):
do some songwriting, right, she's finding out hard and then
you hear this song and you're like, that is heart
on sleeves, full, vulnerable, just really going somewhere.

Speaker 29 (01:49:12):
So to know that she had had to.

Speaker 30 (01:49:13):
Go to a place to like really create the songs
for this album, you're like, really, because this is so
beautiful and just a really amazing emotional place to take
people on an album that I mean, for the most part,
they're very insie rock, aren't they, And there's big guitars
and there's big percussion, but this song here just that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Subtle strip back easy.

Speaker 29 (01:49:32):
It could be acoustic as well.

Speaker 30 (01:49:33):
They actually had a full band version, like they worked
it all out for the song, but then decided and
I think very smartly, just to take it all back
And did it be about her vocals sitting over it
because it's a nice little ride. Absolutely yeah, And I
think you don't need all of that on a whole album.
I think what the Beaths are really good at is
they do really touch down on some sometimes dark content,

(01:49:56):
whether it's emotional or the view of the world or
something that's happened to them. But often it's with that
quite energetic, big drums, big guitar kind of way, if
you know what I mean. Like Endless's voice always sits
kind of near the front. There's always catchy riffs. I
find a lot of their stuff really relatable, but you're
often taking along with the energy of it. So it
was kind of nice to have this more ballad style

(01:50:20):
just to hear that kind of floats through the middle
of the album. Yeah, really really caught men. I thought
it was I thought it was really cool. I also
think it's really great to say. As musicians it doesn't
always come easy. Sometimes you have to take a step
back on the processes you've used before to song right,
try something a little bit different. But man, they've come
back with a really really, a really great album because

(01:50:41):
of that, I think, right, how refreshing. Also, Jack, is
it to hear our Kiwi accent?

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
Remember when just started like right in the heart of
the kind of the pop punk like like don't wear
your chime mind me are red? Yeah kind of thing.
They turned and they just came out and sung in
Kiwi accents, and yeah, it is. It's love to hear it.

Speaker 30 (01:51:07):
It may it be a bit of an inspiration for
other muse those that you don't always have to change
your vowel sounds to be americanized, that it's actually okay.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
Distinguishes especially went. I mean, the Beasts have had such
international success and they probably.

Speaker 30 (01:51:21):
Just I think so too, and so to really just
don't fall away from there. I just it's always so
refreshing because you don't hear it a lot, you know,
you really do hear more that Americanized way that people
sing as well, which I think also sometimes just helps
with vocal things. But it's just really refreshing and nice
to hear. That is a great song on the album
called No Joy, which again is like this real honest

(01:51:43):
commentary on actually what burnout some really troubled mental health.
Feels like like they've just captured it so so well
and it's again that dark content, but this really catchy
rock song, and it takes you a little bit to
be like, hang on actually constantly repeating.

Speaker 29 (01:52:00):
No Joy, no Joy, no Joy.

Speaker 30 (01:52:02):
You're like, yeah, that's dark, but but I just kept her. Again,
a feeling within a song is a really medical thing
for me. I think they've done a really good job
on there. And then putting it together and as you expects,
like really great musicianship throughout it. I love all the
laying they've done, some of the quirky harmonies and vocals

(01:52:23):
that come in with the bridges and into the choruses.

Speaker 29 (01:52:27):
Again, just really lots of cool stuff to sit into
and listen to. And yeah, I don't know, I've every album.

Speaker 30 (01:52:36):
It means that they've grown a little bit more a
and people are really digging what they're doing.

Speaker 29 (01:52:40):
And I've really enjoyed this album.

Speaker 30 (01:52:41):
They've got sold out shows in LA and New York.
They're doing a European tour and then I think coming
back for us if you miss them. They've also been
part of the Infinity Session yes, which was at the
Roundhead Studios and they actually teased a little bit of
this album which was quite cool. But their set was
great and a bit grungy, and those sessions are actually

(01:53:04):
up on YouTube as well, So if you missed anything,
plenty of opportunities to go back and sit in with
it before we start seeing them at some of our
when they come back, and maybe there's some shows for
us too.

Speaker 5 (01:53:13):
Yeah yeah, oh so good. So what'd you give it?
What did you give straight lines a lie.

Speaker 29 (01:53:17):
Straight line is a lie.

Speaker 30 (01:53:18):
Isn't there life when you think you're working on yourself
and you've come beat full circle? I think our kV
artists need all the support they possibly can get.

Speaker 29 (01:53:25):
I love this album. I'm going to give it a
ten out of ten.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
Right, so good a stelle. Yeah, I'm really looking forward
to having more of a listen to this. We'll play
another track in a couple of minutes. Thank you so much.
Have a great with enjoy.

Speaker 6 (01:53:35):
That is a stale.

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
Clifford Our Music review, straight Line was a lie as
the brand new album from the bests. Like I say,
we'll pick out a good so maybe the title track
and play that for you in a few minutes. Time.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Team News Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
It been what you will think in the morning has
gone by on Saturdays. Thank you so much for tuning
in this morning. Stick around because Jason Pine has a
big show lined up for us on weekend Sport. He'd
be looking at that Warriors performance last night, the controversial
Call from the Bunker, and he'll be catching up with
All Black Caleb Clark as he prepares to make his
return from injury, probably giving raise a few more options

(01:54:13):
actually getting into the spring Box test next weekend. For
all the bits and pieces from our show, the easiest
thing to do is to go to the News Talks
He'd Be website. You'll find it all up there. News Talks,
heedb dot Co dot m z Ford slash Jack. Thanks
to my awesome producer, Libby. She's a huge best fan,
so I'm going to make sure we can play as
much of this new track as possible. Their new album

(01:54:35):
is straight Line was a Lie. This is the title track,
See you next Saturday.

Speaker 31 (01:55:06):
Started and study line on the side. Star line on
the line is suns are.

Speaker 28 (01:55:27):
Like it Sun songs a.

Speaker 29 (01:55:34):
Freewhe I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:55:44):
It's a can't go.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
Round Round.

Speaker 28 (01:55:54):
Round Round, Round, Round, Going Round, Round Game, Got.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
Round again, Got und round Round Name.

Speaker 28 (01:56:26):
Round the game, fin Go Round Game, Round Game, Go Round.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks at B from nine am Saturday, or
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