Full Show Podcast: 22 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
from News Talks at b'start your weekend off the right way.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks at b.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
JO.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
No, good morning, welcome to newstalk v Jack Tame with
you through the midday today. My goodness that we have
a good show for you, A real treat, A real
treat after ten o'clock this morning. Okay, So if I
tell you that our feature interview this morning is a
famous British actor, that he's a sir, and that perhaps
his best known line is I have a cunning plan.

(00:59):
Surely you know who I'm talking about. Surely you know
who I'm talking about. I have a cunning plan. So
Tony Robinson Baldrick himself is going to be with us.
It's our feature interview after ten this morning. I cannot
wait for that. We were a house in which we
sort of grew up with the sounds of black headder
pumped out of every TV. So really really looking forward

(01:22):
to catching up with the Tony Robinson after ten o'clock
before teen this morning. Now, film reviewer is in with
her thoughts on Wicked two. This is Wicked for Good,
which has just been released, the one with Ariana Grande
our cooks in with her recipe of the week. It's
a po boy which is a little bit Cajun for
us this morning, which should be very tasty. Indeed, Our
Sporto's thoughts on the All Blacks Chances for their final

(01:45):
test of the year as well. Right now though it
is seven minutes past nine.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Jack Team.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, we weren't really big on dining out when
I was growing up, right in our house. I mean,
truth is, we couldn't really afford to be We just couldn't,
you know. We couldn't really afford to go out and
eat restaurants all the time. With four kids, a mortgage,
and decent cooking skills themselves. My parents didn't really buy food.

(02:13):
They bought groceries, and they know they brought the odd
round of fish and chips on the beach. But apart
from that, almost everything we ate was prepared in the
kitchen at home. I think that was the same and
is the same for lots of families. They're being said.
Every now and then we would have a special occasion.
Every now and then we would make our way into

(02:35):
the city into christ Church's historic Arts center where each
of us would line up for a lunchtime treat. Back then,
Dmitries served souvlakis from a little caravan tucked into a
little corner next to the old Gothic Revival buildings, and
whenever you would pass by, there'd be a little group
of people milling about and waiting for their order to

(02:57):
be prepared. On a really busy day, the owner, Demetrius Meriantetis,
would have someone else working with him as he made
his way through the orders. You could choose between single
double triple meat lamb chicken or for lafel, and the
Thames always had the same thing to a person, lamb
souvlakis with a token little bit of salad and a

(03:21):
hearty drenching of beautiful garlicy tatiki sauce. As you stood
there waiting, you would try and size up the people
around you to work out how many orders would have
to be completed and checked off before yours would be up.
I remember, you know they're feeling like just that feeling

(03:43):
of frustration when someone appears from a shop or a
stall nearby, having ordered and then ducked away for a
few minutes while their order was prepared. Damn it, I
would think, damn it, that's one more to the list.
Surely mine's coming up. I don't know about you call
me a heathen, but as far as I'm concerned, there

(04:04):
are few gastronomical compnations quite so glorious as hot meat
and hot bread. It's about as simple as it gets,
pulled straight from a sizzling grill, wrapped in newsprint, and
passed into your hungry hands. The bread at Dmitri's souv

(04:24):
Lakis was always so pillowy and soft. You would navigate
the first few bites with relative dignity, but by the
time you got down to the last fistful of suv laky,
there was no room for quaint niceties like cutlery. Everything
would be soaking with meat, juice and sauce. Ah, Heaven

(04:44):
is a place on earth. It's funny how people always
fine and celebrate good food. Looking back, I think I
recall the point when we crossed the threshold in our family. So,
even though as teenagers our friends were always asking their
parents to go to McDonald's or CAFC, when each of

(05:05):
us had a b if they roll around, we would
ask to go to Dmitries and it turns out we
weren't the only ones. We might have thought it was
a family secret, but it turned out to be a
family secret that was apparently shared by half the people
in Canterbury. After years and years and years of serving up, however,

(05:26):
many hundreds of thousands or millions of souvlaki's, Dmitries has
built his operation into a gastronomic institution, from the little
stand in the Arts Center to his Greek restaurant and
his prominent spot in Riverside Market. Today Dmitries is a
dining destination that I reckon now ranks among New Zealand's

(05:50):
best loved spots. Think about it. Queenstown has Fergburger, Wellington
has for Dell's. Christ Church has Dmitries. This week Dmitries
celebrates forty years of operations in the Garden City. This
is their forty birthday weekend. Forty years four decades. So

(06:13):
much of christ Church has changed in that time. The
CBD looks completely different. Entire neighborhoods have gone entire new
ones have popped up, but some things have never changed.
Lamb bread, lashings of tatsiki. Dmitri's success is sizzling mouth
watering proof you cannot improve on perfection. Team ninety two.

(06:39):
Ninety two is our text number if you want to
send us a message this morning. Don't forget the standard
text costs supply jacketewstalks hedb dot co dot nz is
my email address if you want to send me an
email as well. How good is test cricket? I love
test cricket so much. I love it so much. My
order of love goes like this. My son's my wife
test cricket and it's a close it's a close run thing.

(07:01):
I don't want you to be any under any confusion.
Sons and wife are up the top, don't worry about that,
but Test crocket right behind. My gosh, that was a
staggering first day of the Ashes. I made that. I
made that terrible mistake though, of seeing the English burning
bright and dying fast than their first innings, and texting

(07:24):
my dad to say, oh, well, it looks like bas
ball's not going to work this time around, and he
text me back and said, wait on, wait on, the
Aussies EyeT to bat, And of course Dad proved to
be right in that round, so very much. Looking forward
to the start of day two and the ashes will
get our sportos thoughts on that very shortly. Kevin Mellon
is going to kick us off for our Saturday Morning
next though. Right now it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm
Jack tame, It's Saturday morning and this is News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
No better way to kick off your weekend then with Jack.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah, Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Sixteen past nine on News Talks EDB OMG, Jack, You've
just described some of my best childhood memories growing up
in christ to meet still a non negotiable stop on
any visit back home. Just as delicious now as it
was back in the nineties, Jeff says Jack. I'm starving
now after training and listening to you. It's not making
things any better. Jack, the best souvlaki anywhere. Love Dmitries,

(08:21):
I was there last night, says Matt. Good job, how late, Matt?
How late? Is Dmitries open to these days? Love your
childhood intro Jack with your lovely family brings back wonderful
memories of our own, says Jenny. Thanks Jenny ninety ninety two.
If you want to send us a messages this morning,
Jacket News to It said b dot co dot n Z.
Kevin Milne is with us this morning.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Kevin.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Have you had Dmitries before?

Speaker 6 (08:42):
No, I've never heard of it.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
I left christ Church in nineteen seventy, so maybe that
was before Dimitris got underway.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
That was pre Dmitries. Yes, that was pre dimitri. It
was forty years this weekend, this is the fortieth first
day Dimitris.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
So yep, I'm very pleased that I'm not booked in
there for lunch or hoping to wander in there for
lunch after your peace ycause of course there'll be a
Q right out the door and down the road.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Honestly, they don't need my peace to advertise them. I'm
not being paid a center and they don't need it.
There's always a queue now, anyway, I think there's always.
But it's one of those places that has just for
it has developed a reputation over many decades for excellence
and for doing, you know, effectively one thing incredibly well,
and to not messing with that in any way, shape

(09:30):
or form, and it's it deserves every bit of love
that it gets as far as I'm concerned. The reason
it's developed that reputation is because it's so good, you know, yes,
but it's funny I can.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
Go there when next time them down there, I'll refer
to my daughter who's now moved down to christ So yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'm sure she'll definitely know about it. Can you think
of any other you know, ferg Burger in Queenstown, right, yeah,
and so and you know for Dalls and Wellington. Can
you think of other I'm trying to think of other
like places that are kind of synonymous with towns or
cities in New Zealand, you know, other other food places
where you go, Oh well, if you're in if you're
in you know, Queenstown, you've got to go to Furber,
If you're in christ Us, you've got to go to Dmitries.

(10:11):
I reckon there be a few, So.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, I if I might just go back beyond
Dmitri's time. There used to be a place on christ
It's called Faile's First Cafe, and it had extraordinary tables
where the chairs were sort of made of raw time
and swung swung actually on the tables. These all the
things you pull out right extraordinary. There's still around actually

(10:36):
because you'd never they'll last forever. And collectors in christ
sits now have a failes table and there in their kitchen,
and everybody gets very envious. And but yeah, but but
fails was well, it never failed?

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Was it?

Speaker 8 (10:53):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (10:53):
And was it that they primarily serve fish?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (10:57):
Almost totally fish. I don't think they have anything else.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, the White Lady White Lady is a good example
in Auckland, the White Lady Caravan. You know the the
burgers in Auckland. Yeah, yep. Anyway, Kevin, speaking of delicious
food this morning, you're thinking about bathroom scales.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yes, I've gone from a dot last week to talking
about I've expanded to bathroom scales. We had these bathroom
scales most of our married life, Jack, They served us
well for over forty years. I monitor awake constantly. I
like to give the scales a solid workout. There's no

(11:36):
point in having a display on them that goes up
to one hundred and fifty kgs if you're only going
to take it to fifty. It's like buying an Aston
Martin and driving.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
It like a Corolla.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
My scales go from nought to one hundred zero point
five of the second. Anyway, until last week, we still
used our old scales, but we decided they had to go.
They just looked shabby. Let the rest of the bathroom down.
I got the job of buying the new ones. It's
hard to pick a set of scales, actually different prices,

(12:10):
yet they all look the same. You might as well
chuck a bit of money at them. I field, because
scales are nothing if they're not accurate. So I've bought
a flash set of glass salt of scales designed in
Great Britain. Sold of scales have been designed in Britain
for the last three hundred and fifty years, so I
knew they'd be reliable.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
I got the new scales home, assembled them and decided
there and then to make sure they were working okay. So,
knowing my weight, I weighed myself to find jack that
for years I've been four cages heavier than I thought
I was. That's assuming that men new scales were telling
the truth, which regrettably they were. I confirmed that at

(12:54):
the gym, very disappointing. My advice to listeners is to
think carefully before buying new scales. It might be as
rewarding as you expect. And it now occurs to me,
why throw out an old set of scales? That's being
kind to you. After all, Does it really matter what
your true weight is?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Who cares?

Speaker 7 (13:16):
All you need to know is if you're putting on
weight or losing it. And my dear old Scales had
been accurately telling me that for decades, but in the
kindest possible way.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Jack, Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that, Kevin. That's a
devastating moment when you realize realize that you've been sold
a dud number for however long. You know what it
reminds me of it. It reminds me of the speedometer,
and you can and you know how the speedo is
often just a couple of k's higher than your actual speed.
You know, when you drive past one of those things
that tells you your speed and says, you know, slow

(13:48):
down if you have to that, you know, the kind
of in the street speedometers. Well maybe this is just
my experience, but usually when I drive past that, the
in street speedo says that I'm doing a couple of
k's slower than my INCR speedo does. And I'm convinced
that my INCR speedo builds in a couple of extra
kilometers per hour grace, just so that if I happen

(14:10):
to accidentally nudge over the speed limit. I don't automatically
get pinked, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
Somebody told me in the or two that in fact
they are designed to be the speed as designed to
be faster than than in reality.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
No, there you go. So yeah, so there you go.
But is it real just a conspiracy? I'm I'm I'm
basing that on nothing except for my own theory.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
Yeah, well I'm basing just on what somebody told me. Ye,
but that Yeah, and apparently the idea of it was
to it was basically to help you cut back on
and speeding tickets. Yeah, you've been tried to slow down clear.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, of course. Very good. Hey, Thanksgiving, You have a
great weekend. We'll catch you again very soon. Jack, good morning.
I've had souvlaky in many countries, bucket loads all over Greece.
As a Greek keiw I can say Dmitri's souf luky
is the best in the world. And that's a text
from Yumas, which is definitely a Greek name, So I
think Yu must definitely has a bit of experience on

(15:16):
that front. Jack can't speak to dimitries, but the hot
bread and hot meat is spot on. I camped outside
in the tent with a four year old last night,
came inside to the smell of the bread maker going,
slapped some sausses on the barbecue, put the two together
and made the experience of a night without much sleep
almost worth it. Good on you ninety two ninety two
if you want to send us a text this morning,
twenty four past nine, our Sporto on the ashes, the

(15:39):
rugby and maybe Suid Laky's next.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
For getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Edb okay, this is the problem. We're having an uneducated
person running you through your Saturday mornings. You see, what
you really need is a polyglot, someone who can speak
multiple languages with these like a Stephen Fry type. Someone
like that. You know, someone who's who's well versed in
the languages of the world. Because ya Mass, it turns out,
is not someone's name Yamus and Greek means cheers. Sorry

(16:15):
about that. Right now, it's twenty seven minutes past nine
on New Stalks. He'd be our sport Andrew Savillers and
he will definitely know Dmitries. I know this in my bones.
He's definitely been to Dmitries once or twice over the years.

Speaker 9 (16:26):
It's a stab in the dark, isn't it, Jack.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
The question is not doing you know Dimitries. The question
is single, double, triple, probably triple.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Now.

Speaker 9 (16:35):
The unfortunate thing is well, the the only small negative
is that at the Riverside Market now, which I think
you mentioned, is where they are. They're right near one
of the main entrances, and it's always clogged. Yeah, but
it's worth the wait, It's worth the ten to twenty
minute wait or whatever to grab that. The first thing

(16:57):
I do when I get home is still head there
after the first day or so, grab one suvlaki and
sit out in the sun on one of those benches
and soak up the crisp christ Jurge fantastic.

Speaker 10 (17:12):
Now.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
I worked in a fruit and veggie shop in nearly
mid eighties and Mr Street and I'm pretty sure that's
where they started.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Was that or was that? Was that?

Speaker 11 (17:22):
Not?

Speaker 4 (17:23):
You're not confusing them with costers.

Speaker 9 (17:25):
Might have been costers? Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yeah yeah,
m R Street. Yeah, I think your listeners have it.

Speaker 12 (17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Catherine, Catherine sent me in a Texas She was a
big fan of the costers ones because they met. Yeah yeah,
they were yeah, yeah, but I think the.

Speaker 9 (17:40):
Only one that's come the only having had them in
Greece as well as I'm pretty sure you have. They
They often get close, but there's just yeah, there's just
something extra special.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I don't know what it is. Yeah, yeah, I sometimes
if it's the bread, it's like a slight sweetness of
the bread or something. It's very sort of doeye. But anyway, hey,
how was that for a first day of the first
Answers Test? My god, I just like, you know, if
people say, oh, there's no no one has the attentions,
but for five days of one game that ends in
a drawer, I'm sorry. That was a thrilling first year.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
It was.

Speaker 11 (18:12):
It was.

Speaker 9 (18:13):
People certainly have the attention span of a three day
Test matches, because that's all they seem to last these days.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Couple of things here.

Speaker 9 (18:20):
I think it's a drop in pitch and Perth and
previous Test matches there it's been quite placid, but this
pitch was seeming the both sets of bowlers.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
We're getting some swing too.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
It's very very tricky to bat on. Was it nineteen
wickets in one day? The most in a Nashes series
and one day for one hundred odd years. Yeah, you
just couldn't take your eye off it. The English somehow
find themselves about fifty runs ahead. I think I've got
one more wicket or a couple of more wickets to go.

(18:56):
But it's all on, isn't it? Absolutely all on? The
only on the flip side ject The only negative is
that this sort of sums up Test cricket these days
in that players, as they play more and more T
twenty and short form cricket, don't seem to hang around
or grit out long innings anymore, some of them, not

(19:20):
all of them, some of them. So I think that's
having an effect long term on Test match cricket. But
you can't argue with the amount of action you saw
on one day. Would have been fantastic to be there, great,
great theater, great stadium.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah, I thought the drama was just extraordinary yesterday. It
was so good. And you're right about that. You're right
about not necessarily feeling like batsman can stick around, although
it is nice to see the bowlers having a little
bit of the upper hand. Yeah, because in T twenty
and stuff, it's just like baseball. Yeah, so I think.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
The positive that T twenty is added is that batsmen
are far more attacking these days, a lot of them aren't,
you know, so you're going to see more action anyway.
That's the positive, right.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Finantists of the year for the All Backs against Wales?
How are you feeling about the turnaround from last week?

Speaker 9 (20:07):
Well after the disappointment of England and the frustration Jack
and I know it's been discussed at and aauseum during
the week, but the frustration is they just don't seem
to be improving in certainly areas interesting that they're pretty
much giving everybody a run tomorrow morning, which I think
they had to do. The nagging little doubt in the
back of my mind as some of these players haven't

(20:28):
played a lot of rugby, if any, for a couple
of months. They'll be playing together for the first time
as a fifteen as a unit a lot of them.
There are some super rugby combos in there, but a
Test matches is very different. You'd still expect the All
Blacks to win and win comfortably against a Welsh side
that is nowhere near the Wales teams of yesteryear and

(20:52):
the heyday of Welsh rugby, So looking forward to it
to see how guys are Reuben Love and some of
these other younger guys go because they just haven't really
been given much of a chance that the All Blacks
need and the All Blacks coaches need a win tomorrow morning.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah no, I totally agree with that, looking forward to it,
but I think rounding out the year with an exclamation
point would be a very welcome thing from the Allbacks
side of things. Thank you very much, Sev, catch you
again soon our sport o Andrew Sevil. Don't forget of
course that news walks hed B has live coverage of
the All Blacks and Wales tomorrow ten past four I

(21:29):
think is kick off tomorrow morning. Thanks for your feedback
as well. Jack, great to start to your show. Don't
forget that Fairly has Fairley's Pies and they always have
a que that's very true. Jack the Fat Dog InTru
yep been there perform. That's a good spot. And Jack
the car manufacturer has to set the speedometer a few
kilometers lower to allow for different tire sizes, different tire sizes,

(21:53):
inflations and different types and then cover themselves against any
legal claim. So you're not unique. Every single car is
the same. That feels like a reasonable theory. So I
just thought if my speed over was slightly slower, they
were just doing me a solid, you know, they were
just making sure that actually, even if you do accidentally
get a little bit higher there, we'll have you going

(22:14):
a couple of kilometers slower so that you might avoid
the worst. But no, that seems like quite a reasonable explanation,
so thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two is
our text number if you want to get in touch
before ten o'clock, just to keep your tummy rumbling. If
the souvluk he's on enough. Our cook has a recipe
for Pooh Boys, which are a kind of New Orleans favorite.

(22:35):
A bit of Cajun delight for you before ten o'clock
this morning, and don't forget after ten. So Tony Robinson Baldrick,
he of blackadd of Fame, he of Time Team Fame,
is going to be with us. He's got a brand
new book actually called the House of Wolf, and he's
written heaps of kids books over the years, but this
is his first adult novel. So he's going to tell

(22:55):
us about that after ten this morning. Twenty five to ten.
Got to fix your hair, everything that really counts.

Speaker 13 (23:03):
To be popular.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
I'll help you be.

Speaker 14 (23:07):
You'll hang with the corse, You'll be good houseports.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
No, the saying you've does enough.

Speaker 8 (23:13):
So that's because.

Speaker 15 (23:15):
You've got in lovely line.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
You stib twenty three to ten. That's popular from Wicked.
The reason we are flying Wicked this morning is, of course,
that Wicked two is out. It's called Wicked for Good.
Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewer, and she is here
with us this morning. Good morning, good morning. Right, let's
have a look. Listen to the sequel.

Speaker 14 (23:38):
Couldn't be happy here, haven't you heard?

Speaker 4 (23:45):
I'm a wicked witch of the worst, think of a
wicked doo together that is Wicked too for good. It's
showing in cinemas now, tell us about it.

Speaker 12 (24:05):
Okay, So as you know, Jack, and I'm sure your
listeners will gathered over the years. I'm not a huge
fan of the musical as a film genre. I find
I find the songs kind of interrupt us moving through
the story quickly. Ahead, Well, here we go another song.
I love a stage show. But I'm I'm I'm it's yeah,
I'm not a huge fan, and I think that's important

(24:27):
to stay up front. However, you cannot deny that these
are beautifully crafted films. They are basically begging to be
nominated for Oscars. When it comes to production design and
costumes and hair and makeup and the visual effects and things.
You know, it is these films. The first film was

(24:47):
a visual treat, and the second film is I think
that they've almost kind of put the confetti and sequence
and bubbles and ruffles on steroids. It's even more thrown
at you. So you know what, I I could sit
and enjoy this as a visual treat very much. You know,
it's it's beautifully crafted. I still don't quite understand why

(25:08):
you take kind of a three hour musical and you
have to turn it into a five hour film and
you know, split it in two. The only thing I
would say is the second film is slightly shorter. We're
only at two hours twenty one I think, compared to
two hours forty one.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
Still probably a bit long.

Speaker 12 (25:24):
I could have taken out one song, Jack, but.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
A little bit short.

Speaker 12 (25:28):
But the great thing was for me, someone who hasn't
seen the musical, we kind of powered through the plot fast,
so there were lots more twists and turns and lots
more things happening, So I was a bit more engaged.
I sort of felt with the first film. I know
that everybody absolutely loved it, but I felt that I
got it. You know, you can move on. You don't
need to sing another song to tell me who these
people are and what their relationships are. So all that

(25:50):
world building's been done and now we're just charging through
the story a bit more. So I thought that was fantastic.
Cynthia Revo is just extraordinary. She really is absolutely fantastic
as our wicked witch, and you know, cast beautiful against
Ariana Grande, who apparently, I have been told, doesn't appear

(26:11):
a huge amount in the second half of the musical,
so they've kind of insuited her a little bit.

Speaker 11 (26:16):
More in the film.

Speaker 12 (26:16):
Yeah, so that she appears a bit more and they've
got a bit more of a relationship in things. But look,
the songs aren't as good and part two is in
part one, so there's there's kind of you know, there's
aspects of it which are better, in aspects of it
which might let people down a little bit more. To
be honest with you, I probably enjoyed the second one more,
which I think, you know, everyone will have their opinion

(26:38):
on that, but look, it's it's exactly what you expect.
If you saw Wicked the first film, you can absolutely
love this. It was, yeah, a wonderful sort of visual feast.
I didn't think about a huge amount the next day,
but I don't think you're supposed to, you know.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Okay, very good. So that's Wicked for Good aka Wicked two.
So that's showing in cinemas at the moment. Your next
film is playing on Prime Video. This is Playdate.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
Here's Jeff outstanding.

Speaker 13 (27:12):
He's cool playing me over his house.

Speaker 12 (27:14):
Can we go over please?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
All?

Speaker 16 (27:15):
Hell?

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, okay, that's Playday. Tell us about it.

Speaker 12 (27:30):
So at this time of the year, Jack, I think
we're all looking for a little bit of light escapism,
you know, when it comes to sort of finding something
to screen. And this stars Alan Richson, who plays the
Jack Reacher in the new Prime series, and I quite
like him, and I thought, I'll see what else he
can do. Let's see what else he can do. He's
teamed up here with Kevin James. This is kind of
a buddy Dad's action comedy and the two couldn't be

(27:50):
more physically different. In the course, that is the joke
you've got. Kevin plays Brian. He's a new step dad.
He's trying to connect with his step son. He just
happens to lose his job, so he becomes a stay
at home dad. At the park, he meets Jeff played
by Richson, and his kids CJ, who quite obviously from
the minute you meet him as not a normal kid,

(28:12):
and most of us would go red flag here and
run a mile. But the two end up together and
then next thing you know, they're being pursued by assassins
who are after Jeff and CJ.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
And they go off on this adventure.

Speaker 12 (28:22):
You can see every plot twist coming in this film.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
Jack a lot of.

Speaker 12 (28:28):
Old school references to films like Sama and Louise and
Reservoir Dogs Address at Pack, which I think is aimed
at the adults, But then the action is very much
aimed in an.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Eight year old boy.

Speaker 12 (28:37):
So I was very confused with this film. I was
watching it, going, this is not really funny, it's not
really clicking. What's wrong. I was like, Oh, it's not
aimed at me, it's aimed at young boys. But then
I was going, but they're not going to get these references.
I think this is an example of where streaming gets
it wrong. You don't just throw money at a wall
and see what sticks. You actually have to write a
decent script, come up with a decent plot. You know,

(28:59):
the acting is absolutely fine, but they've been given really
weak material here and it's kind of a waste of
time and money.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah wow, you know Okay, yeah, I keep going, No,
I'm done. Oh okay, well yeah, sounds like it to
be asked.

Speaker 8 (29:14):
Slid slid down.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
So five stars, ten out of ten for playdate. No cool, Okay,
very good. So maybe that is one to avoid unless
you're really desperate this week this weekend, So that's playdate.
Francisca's first film is Wicked for Good. That showing in
Cinema's playdates on Prime Video will have the details for
both of those films, should you wish to seek them

(29:37):
out on the news talks. He'd be website after ten
o'clock this morning. If you are looking for something that
is really good, we're going to tell you about this
some really interesting news show on Netflix following ed Shearon
as he makes his way through New York. Now, if
you've seen that incredible show. I reckon It was honestly
the absolutely show of the year Adolescens. You'll know the

(29:59):
way in which they shot each of those episodes in
one shot, so they just did it all in one take.
The director of Adolescent has done the same thing with
Ed Shearon, so very different kind of vibe, gone from
more of a documentary kind of vibe. But basically it's
a single shot, one stop at one stop special following
Ed Shearon as he walks around New York with his
guitar and hands. We're going to tell you about that

(30:20):
after ten o'clock this morning. In a couple of minutes,
our cook is here with her recipe for the week.
Just so you know, if you are making your way
through Auckland at the moment, things are very tricky right
now on the Harbor Bridge with the protest this morning
from the fishing protesters. We're going to update you with
the very latest on that protest and the updates from
the authorities and the ten o'clock news. Very shortly got

(30:40):
it to ten on News Talks.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
He'db Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going
through the weekend US TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
But i'd see that I'm not the only one absolutely
frothing over a Test cricket at the moment. In the
first day of the Ashes, Jack is a cricket tragic.
I absolutely loved the game in Perth yesterday. I actually
had to spend some money to buy off some other
members of the family so that I could continue watching
until the end of the day's play, says Bears. Good
on your bears. Yeah, it's an investment, isn't it. It's
an investment even if it costs you a few bucks

(31:09):
so you can get a bit of clear air and
enjoy the cricket. That's what you gotta do. Goa do
what you gotta do. Ninety two ninety two is our
text number if you want to send us a message
like Baz did this morning thirteen to ten and our cook,
Nikki Wicks is here this morning. Good morning, Yes.

Speaker 8 (31:25):
Good morning, Jack. I loved your intro.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Oh y, have you been to Dimitris?

Speaker 17 (31:31):
I sure have I I waited outside. This was pre earthquake.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Oh yes, so it was in.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
Their old their old location.

Speaker 17 (31:38):
I remember queuing for one of those beautiful Suberlaki sandwiches.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Oh what do you think makes it so?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
So?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
I was thinking of this kind of kind of a
primal thing about just hot, hot bread and hot meat.
And actually we're going to talk about that you're used
to be this morning as well in just a couple
of minutes, which is fantastic. But what do you think
it is about the Dimitri's combination that is such a winner?
Why has that souvlaki become so popular? Do you reckon?

Speaker 17 (32:04):
Because I think, well, I think in terms of our mouth,
our mouth loves fat.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
And acidity, that's what it loves. And salt.

Speaker 17 (32:12):
So you've got fatty, salty lamb, and then you've got
that beautiful tart dressing that's full of acidity, you know,
with yogurt and lemon juice and mint and all that
kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
And yeah, and golf course the garlic.

Speaker 17 (32:24):
And I also think there's something really attractive about being
just sort of being able to sort of hand hold
a whole meal.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
I totally agree.

Speaker 12 (32:32):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I feel like these things are scratching the caveman brain,
all of them. You know, it's a really it's a
kind of it's a it's kind of there's something kind
of visceral about it, like you're using all of your
senses when you eat with your hand. Yeah, yeah, I reckon.

Speaker 17 (32:46):
I can still remember actually at the other end of
the spectrum going to review Meritis, which was road Michael
Murder's restaurant, and his first course that he sent out
was a tiny little beetroot macaroon and you had to
eat it in your hand, and that's so odd for
a fine dining restaurant. But I remember thinking, oh, that's
a good ploy because straight away we're engaged.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
We're slightly off put, but in a good way. It's there. Yeah, yeah,
that no dimetris.

Speaker 17 (33:16):
I'm so happy that that forty years congratulations, that's just brilliant.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
And I think we love a sandwich. I do sandwiches.

Speaker 17 (33:22):
I was thinking I loved your intro because I'm doing
Poe Boys, but we love a bar and me from
Vietnam again, it's what meat. It's kind of acidity crammed
in there with all the power power of the herbs
and a good dressing. More Fha letters are a kind
of an Italian sandwich. That is, you put a big
sort of olive salad in the you smear the bread

(33:42):
with crushed up lots of olives and garlic and and
so that's salty and fantasy and they just layer it
up with as much meat as you can. But poe Boys, yeah,
from New Orleans. I have just finished making a batch
for some some actors tonight on stage the I I
think she's gonna eat them on stage, which is fantastic.

Speaker 8 (34:04):
So I have to make sure I use the soft
fun not.

Speaker 17 (34:06):
A big old baghette, otherwise they're going to have their
mouthful of biget for a very long time.

Speaker 8 (34:10):
They won't be able to get their lines out.

Speaker 17 (34:12):
So it's a play called Poe Boys and Oysters and
it opens the Alt Festival of Black Arts, and that
goes for a couple of a couple of weeks and
goes through to December, so people should get along. It's
called a phoba for short, which it sounds like equa fever.

Speaker 18 (34:29):
But this is.

Speaker 17 (34:29):
Exciting, so I really had to think about how are
they going to eat the So my ones that I've
made them are not as spicy, but this is what
you do. You've got to make a bit of a
spicy mayo. I put mayo and this is just my
version Thousand Island dressing in there, a bit of hot sauce,
one teaspoon of smoked.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
Paprika is great.

Speaker 17 (34:44):
A little bit of worse stars short sauce and I
never know how to say that, and a teaspoon of
horseradish and a squeeze of lemon. So straight away, Jack,
you've got that spicy sauce getting in there.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
And then essentially just get.

Speaker 17 (34:56):
Along by geat and you fry off some oises and
some prawns, and I just dust them in a little
bit of a sort of cage in flavored dusting of
mixture of flour and corn. Put a bit of cay
and pepper in there, some dried thyme, some oregano, a
little bit of I didn't have any onion or garlic,
salt or powdered stuff because I don't have that, but

(35:17):
that's okay. Just put some salt and a bit of
garlics through it. Anyway, oil for fry, and just dust off.

Speaker 8 (35:22):
Your prawns and your oysters. And you fried those.

Speaker 17 (35:25):
At the last minute, so you're on everything else with
your baguette or your roll to be already shredded lettuce,
sliced tomatoes, pickles, I use onions and gurkins, lots of
that hot sauce, and then lots of these hot fried,
crispy prawns and oysters. But you could also do them
with roast beef. That's another sort of poe boy idea. Yeah,

(35:47):
and came from came from a deli that served these
up to people striking in New Orleans in nineteen twenty nine,
I think. So they served them to all the lads
who were striking, and they called them poe boys, I
for the poor boys worth because they were standing on

(36:07):
their principal So yeah, and then it became such a thing.

Speaker 8 (36:10):
So that's where poe boy comes from.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
And I love it so good. I remember, I've only
been to New Orleans once, and it's one of those
places I desperately want to return. I actually went there
by myself as well, because I was there for work,
and I like, desperately, I would love to go there
with a family and you know, go there with some
mates or something like that. But I remember before I went,
I sort of plotted out in between all of my work.

(36:34):
I was like, right, if I'm here in New Orleans
for seventy two hours or you know, three days or whatever,
I'm like, this is where every meal is going to be.
But I distinctly remember getting in on a really early flight,
and then the first thing I did was go and
get a Poe Boy for lunch, and it was just
oh yeah, you know, with the pawns and just everything
was so.

Speaker 8 (36:52):
We've got shrimp as they call it, because it's.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
A really distinct cuisine, like Cajun cuisine is a really
distinct you know. And yeah, New Orleans are real, you know,
a real culinary destination, don't you think?

Speaker 8 (37:05):
Yeah? I do think. So we did. We did a
show out for a Wild Kitchen out of there.

Speaker 17 (37:10):
They have the Magic the Magic Trio which is onions, peppers,
and celery, and that permeates.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
A lot of the cuisine. It's kind of like their
little fry off beforehand and then you add things.

Speaker 17 (37:20):
I thought it was absolutely fantastic place for you know,
the culture of food there, Vignier, those beautiful gasts that
come from there. You know, they don't actually origin it
from there, but you know all about Yeah, I thought
it was really fantastic. And I was interested that the
herbs and spices were all quite basic, but when you
put them in the combination, you're.

Speaker 8 (37:37):
Like, oh, oh my god, that's for disticking New Orleans favor.
Ye absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, love it. Hey, thank you so much. This Poe
Boy sound amazing. So we're going to make sure that
Nicki's recipe is up at Newstalks HEDB dot co dot
nz seven to ten.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Giving v Inside scoop on All you Need to Know
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Speaker 4 (37:59):
Harley has sent me an email this morning to said Jack,
I really really loved your opening comments this morning regards Dimitries.
Couldn't believe that you've said it's been forty years they've
been making their wonderful serve Larkys and christ Churchs until
I realized that it was probably dot dot dot forty
years since I got my first Dmitri sev Laki and
christ Church's been enjoying them ever since. Thank you so

(38:21):
much for that. If you want to send me an email,
you know what to do. Jacket Newsbooks dB dot co
dot nzed as my email address. Now after ten o'clock,
I've got some fantastic shows to recommend in our screen
time segment, including that one with Ed Shearon and this
really interesting new series called All Her Fault. And then
our feature interview right after the news is going to
be none other than Sir Tony Robinson Bordrick himself is

(38:44):
going to be with us. He has lots of irons
in the Fire Right so as well as Time Team,
which he's now fronted for twenty seasons, as well as Blackhader.
Tony has written a whole series of books and he's
written this brand new one called The House of Wolf,
which is his first foray into adult fiction. So by

(39:04):
that I mean fiction for you know, people who aren't
teenagers anymore. Anyway, I'm sure for all he's going to
be with us right after the Tearcock News and he
is heading to New Zealand, so we're going to give
you details for his live shows as well. It's almost
ten o'clock. News is next Saturday Morning. I'm Jack Tamed.
This is News Talk z B.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Tame News Talks by.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
No Good Morning Here with Jack Tame on News Talks
d B through the midday today. So, Tony Robinson is
one of the world's most recognized history presenters. After four
Korea defining series of the British sitcom Blackadder, Tony of
course fronted twenty seasons of the Archaeological dig show Time team.
His humorous hooks and accessible presentation has helped to demystify

(40:22):
history and inspire passion in a whole new generation. Tony
has also written more than thirty children's books, but his
latest historical excavation is his first foray into fiction for
an older audience. The book's called The House of Wolf.
It's set in ninth century Wessex, Wessex, and is an

(40:43):
epic struggle between greed, idealism, ambition and betrayal. And so
Tony Robinson is with us this morning, Kyoda, good.

Speaker 13 (40:50):
Morning, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Hey. You have achieved an extraordinary number of things in
your life. You have had an extraordinary number of creative pursuits.
It is remarkable to consider there was even a first
for you still to achieve. And yet the House of
Wolf is your first piece of adult fiction. So can
you just tell us how tell our listeners a little

(41:12):
bit about it?

Speaker 19 (41:14):
Well, it's pretty ridiculous, really. I was seventy eight when
I decided to write a historic trilogy, but I did.
And yeah, and so the first book is called The
House of Wolf, and it's about King Alfred the Great,

(41:34):
the only king that the English called Great and it
was a long, long time ago. It was in the
ninth century AD, that's two hundred years before William the
Conqueror it came to England. But the reason he is
so great is twofold. First of all, because he completely
defeated the Vikings at a time when nobody else was

(41:58):
getting anywhere near defeating them. Secondly, he was the king
of Wessex, which is like southern England, and he nicked Mercier,
which was the word for the Midlands in those days,
blued them together and used a bit of East Anglia

(42:19):
where there were some Christian Vikings, so all three were
glued together. Initially they called themselves the Anglo Saxons, but
then gradually out of that came the word angle Land.
In other words, Alfred created England. And so you know,

(42:40):
if that isn't worth the story, what else is?

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Have you always had an interest in the Anglo Sexons
as they're not?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yes?

Speaker 19 (42:50):
Yeah, because like for your listeners who've come to England,
which I imagine will be quite a few of them,
you can see the Romans in the landscape, You've got
Hadrian's Wall and all that stuff.

Speaker 13 (43:03):
You can see the Normans in the landscape.

Speaker 19 (43:06):
Because of all the cathedrals and all the castles, but
that gap of six hundred odd years in between what
they used to call the Dark Ages, there really isn't
any sign of And that's why it was called the
Dark Ages, not because the light suddenly failed, but because
it's very hard to see who those people were.

Speaker 13 (43:27):
So from my point of view as.

Speaker 19 (43:29):
A writer, that's great because it means I can use
my imagination almost as much as I like, and no
one can say, Ahi, you're wrong.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Well, how different is it writing for adults because you
have written I think thirty books now for younger readers,
and they are beloved books. But it is it's quite
a different experience.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
I would have thought, yeah, totally.

Speaker 19 (43:52):
Yeah. It scared me rigid when I started. I had
massive imposter syndrome.

Speaker 13 (43:58):
It's ridiculous, is it?

Speaker 19 (43:59):
Like I've been on the stage for sixty odd years,
and yet when it came to writing a.

Speaker 13 (44:05):
Book gripped me.

Speaker 19 (44:08):
That just that idea of looking at the blank page
and knowing you've got to fill it up with something implausible.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
For grown ups.

Speaker 13 (44:17):
And I knew I wanted to create a saga.

Speaker 19 (44:19):
I knew I wanted it to be something, you know,
those netflicky HBO type wonderful theories that we've all adored
over the last ten to fifteen years.

Speaker 13 (44:29):
I wanted it to.

Speaker 19 (44:30):
Be a page turner, but I also wanted to reflect
the history that was going on at the time, and
I knew that meant that, rather like Game of Thrones,
I had to have lots of stories going on at
the same time. So I'm sitting there with my pen
in my hand, because I do write with a pen
and paper, and I'm thinking, how dare you have the

(44:52):
audacity to try and knit three or four storylines together
over like four and a half hundred pages, knowing that
that's only the first third. How can you do that
and expect people not to yell out, fraud, cheat, liar.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
It's It's a delicate balance, isn't it. When you're relying
on true historical fact and you're trying to weave that
in with a fictional narrative, like you always want to
have the kind of right balance between the two. I
should imagine it.

Speaker 19 (45:24):
Was so lovely because I really, you know, I really
I did go quite bonkers writing it. But and I
submitted the drafts of final draft to the publisher, and
then he got that printed up and sent it out
to a number of people.

Speaker 13 (45:43):
I think, I think your young.

Speaker 19 (45:45):
People call them opinion formers, uh, and some journalists and
also some historical novelists, people that I really respected, and
I was in even more terror.

Speaker 13 (45:57):
I know, I'm laying this on a bit with a trout.

Speaker 19 (46:01):
And then after six weeks, the writer Dan Jones, who
wrote a stormily popular historical novel called Essex Dogs. He wrote,
but he wrote, well, he wrote a review of it,
really and it was so fulsome he was so enthusiastic
about it. Both thought it was, you know, the bee's knees.

(46:24):
That immediately all that paranoia that I'd had dispelled completely.
It like this huge weight off my shoulders. And then
more and more of these lovely reviews came in, and well,
it got in the Sunday Times Top twenty, which is,
you know, no top ten.

Speaker 13 (46:40):
Why am I putting myself out? It's the top ten.
And that's great because once you've got.

Speaker 19 (46:46):
That, you're allowed to call yourselves a Sunday Times best
selling author. So you know, that's that's really what your
introduction should have been. And I don't want to well,
that's what he's going started.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
With yeah, yeah, of course, well yeah, I for what
it's worth. I hope you never feel the need for
confirmation of validation again, because we love your work, Toney,
so's my thanks. Why do you write with pen and
paper still?

Speaker 13 (47:16):
I love it.

Speaker 19 (47:16):
I love the way it feels. I love the way
the pen feels in my hand. I love the rustle
of the paper. My ideal way of working is to
have two pillows behind me in bed, and I've got
fourteen sheets fanned out, like on the left hand side
all the pages that I've just written, in the middle
of the ones I'm working on now, and on the

(47:38):
far side of the notes for what will happen in
the future. It's the absolute opposite of using any kind
of computerized writing. It's the process is always there, The
whole process is always with me. I'm not dominated by
the single screen and I'm you know, I'm not dissing

(47:59):
ninety nine percent of the writers I know.

Speaker 13 (48:02):
Who write on their laptop, but just for me, it
just feels right.

Speaker 20 (48:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Do you think your many incredible seasons of time team
has helped you to connect with stories like this from
from the past. What do you see as being the
connection there.

Speaker 19 (48:21):
Yeah, and black Adder too. Both of them were created
by incredibly intelligent, mostly Oxford and Cambridge educated young men.
Most of it was certainly on black Adder they were
all young men, not more women on time team, but

(48:41):
all of them had this passion about history, this very
serious attitude towards history actually, which really rubbed off on me,
both the passion and the seriousness, except that on black
Adder those guys were prepared to use it in any
way they wanted to in order to create a good
story and a good gag. So that's there with me

(49:02):
as well. I think those two things were huge, huge
influences on me. And the third one is Charles Dickens.
I mean, I wouldn't want to compare myself with him
in any other way other than that he was a
writer who started off as an actor, and when you
listen or read what he wrote, you can hear that

(49:26):
it is the words of an actor, someone who reddish
it in words, someone who loves words, someone wants to
read their book out loud, And like all the characters
he created are slightly hyper real, aren't they, And all
the environments in which you set the characters again slightly hyperreal,
and yeah, I think I follow that example too.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
See, I reflect on Blackhead as almost being the kind
of soundscape of my childhood. I feel, I feel as
it sort of you know, it papers my memories.

Speaker 13 (49:59):
Well, terribly bad.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
But I read recently that you see that multiple actors
had turned down the role of Baldrick before.

Speaker 19 (50:11):
Yeah, well, if you'd seen the pilot scripts, you would
have understood it was pretty rubbish. And the part of
Balderick was only about eight lines, and there wasn't one
funny one in it. And virtually everybody who that little
coterie of performers cast in their shows were fellow members

(50:34):
of the Oxford University Dramatic Society in Cambridge foot Lives.

Speaker 13 (50:38):
They were the people they had always worked with. They
all knew how to work together.

Speaker 19 (50:42):
So you can imagine if you were one of that
group of people and Richard Curtis and Rowan had written
this script and they'd only given you eight lines and
another of them were funny, you'd have gone, yeah, well,
next time maybe, but you know, not this one. And
I suspect that was something like what happened. And eventually,

(51:03):
just because the head of comedy had seen me doing
something small and vaguely humorous, cast me as someone small
and vaguely humorous.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Do people still pull you up on the street and
recite lines to you from Black Hana?

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 13 (51:18):
Probably.

Speaker 19 (51:19):
Problem is I've forgotten them, Like they recite the whole
of a gag except for the punchline, and then they
wait for me to say the punchline.

Speaker 13 (51:26):
I can't remember.

Speaker 19 (51:27):
I just look at them blankly and go, yeah, go on,
you say it.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
I also read that you have another ambition outside of
this trilogy to come to the South Island's West Coast
and New Zealand and film a documentary here.

Speaker 19 (51:46):
Yeah, well it hasn't no, no, I just want to
keep on saying it, hoping that some film producer with
a lot of money will will will help me make
that serious. It is one of the most fascinating parts
of the world that I've been to, and its history
is so rich, and you know, I don't know how
familiar all that stuff is to New Zealand people, even

(52:09):
South Ireland people, but certainly over here we know nothing
about it. And in the States, I don't think they
know anything about You know, that was the real gold Rush,
wasn't it, and what a transforming time it was, and
how lost and isolated so many people were, of all ethnicities,
and yeah, I would love to do something or that.

(52:30):
I just think a great and fascinating time. And now
I think most people look at the back of the
map and New Zealand and all they see is the
other coast, the bit down the boom and the bit
up the top. They don't see that wonderful, fulfilling, it
exciting bit that is virtually ignored.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
You are coming to New Zealand early next year. So
are you got two different dates?

Speaker 7 (52:55):
Right?

Speaker 19 (52:56):
Well, two different days, but two very proximate dates. So
on the seventeenth of February, I'm at the Bruce Mason
in Auckland, and on the eighteenth I'm at the Old, Yes,
the Royal in christ Church.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
I haven't been.

Speaker 19 (53:11):
Yeah, it's tis for me too, because I haven't been
to christ Church since about eighteen months after the big
disaster and when it was still really.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Struggling.

Speaker 19 (53:21):
Whenever I say struggling, that sounds offensive and I don't know.

Speaker 13 (53:24):
I just thought the way that people.

Speaker 19 (53:27):
Seized the opportunity amidst the tragedy was absolutely profound.

Speaker 13 (53:32):
And yeah, so I want to go back now.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
I don't want to give too much away, but I
think you will find, for the most part, not entirely,
but for the most part, that's the city transformed.

Speaker 19 (53:45):
So I'm longing to say, so, are any of those
big I forgot what you call those big rectangular metal
boxes that were turned into.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Shops for the shipping containers.

Speaker 13 (53:55):
Yeah, the containers. That's the word.

Speaker 19 (53:56):
Yeah, excuse me, I am seventy nine. It's the first
time in this entire interview I've forgotten a word, and
it was the word ladies and gentlemen, shipping containers.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
You you've got your mind with the Anglo Saxons. That's
totally understanding. That's true.

Speaker 19 (54:10):
Yeah, and the Anglo Saxon shiving containers were made out
of wood.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yes, we are delighted that you're coming down. Congratulations on
the House of Wolf, and we're thrilled that it's going
to be a three part series at the stage as well.
So thank you very much for giving us your time
and we will see you in a few months, looking
forward to it. That is so Tony Robinson to repeat
those dates again. He's going to be Auckland on the
seventeenth of February. He's going to be in christ on

(54:37):
the eighteenth of February. Maybe we can get him to
stop by Dimitries while he's in town as well. Such
a joy to catch up with him. Now before eleven
o'clock on News Talks, he'd be We're going to catch
up with our resident doctor who's taking a look this
week at younger onset type two diabetes. More than three
hundred thousand New Zealanders have diabetes now. I think the
cost to the health systems now more now more than

(54:58):
two billion dollars a year, which is extraordinary really, So
he's going to talk to us a little bit about that.
Our textbook will be in next up though. If you're
looking forward to a weekend on the couch, our screen
time expert has three shows to recommend for watching more
streaming at home. Right now, it's twenty two past ten.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Star on your weekend Off the Right Way Saturday morning
with Jack daim News Talks at me.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
It's twenty five minutes past ten on your Saturday morning,
which means it's put up screen time time. Tara Ward
joins us this time every week with her three recommendations
to shows to watch or stream at home, you go
to Tara what din. Let's begin with a show on
TVNZ Plus starring Succession Sarah Snook tell us about All

(55:44):
Her Fault.

Speaker 18 (55:46):
Yeah, this is a new American thriller that I've heard
a lot of people talking about recently. This is All
Her Fault. It starts as you say, Sarah Snook from
Succession and Dakota Fanning. So it has a really great
cast and it's about the disappearance of a young boy.
Sarah Snook plays a mother, Marissa, who goes to pick
up her son from a playdate with a school friend,
and she has a text from the friend's mother confirming

(56:07):
their address in the playdate. But when she arrives to
pick him up, it's the wrong house and the wrong address,
and the friend who her son was supposed to be
playing with as on a playdate with another classmate. So
the question is who is behind this fake playdate and
where is Marissa's son?

Speaker 16 (56:23):
Now?

Speaker 18 (56:24):
Now, I watch this with a very tight knot in
my stomach because it's playing on every parent's worst nightmare.
So it's not an easy, breezy kind of show to watch,
and it has the exact setup as a show I
talked about a few months ago on Disney Plus called
The Stolen Girl. So if the plot sounds familiar, that's why.
But they are quite different shows. This is more intriguing.
It has more deliberate twists and turns to keep you

(56:46):
guessing about who in Marissa's circle of trust is responsible
for taking her son, because it has to be someone
who's close to home, which means everyone she knows, and
this show is lying about something. So it's a really
twisty thriller. It does have its over the top melodramatic moments,
but Sarah Snook and Dakota Fanning, who play the mums
of the boys girl such great performances and they sort

(57:08):
of keep the whole thing together and ground it nice.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Okay, cool, This sounds great. So All Her Fault is
on TVNZ plus on three now The Borderline, and this is.

Speaker 18 (57:19):
A gritty, slow burned kind of police crime drama about
an investigation into illegal drug smuggling are going on across
the border between Canada and the United States, and it
follows a detective who discovers that his childhood best friend
is involved in a case of missing drugs and the
two of them have the secret from their past that

(57:40):
will always link them together. And so the detective is
determined to protect his friend and it becomes compromised by
getting tangled up with the local crime syndicate who are
also trying to get their hands on the drugs. And
that syndicate is led by this imposing matriarch who's played
by Mini Driver. Now, I love that this series has
a beautiful setting. It's filmed on a river that follows

(58:02):
the border between Canada and the US in Ontario and
is over one thousand little islands in the river. So
it's a really evocative setting for a crime drama. You know,
it's a pretty standard crime mystery with your compromise detective
and your shady characters, but you know, we don't get
many Canadian dramas here, and with this great setting and
Mini Driver starring in this as well as a bit

(58:24):
of a villain, this is definitely worth checking out.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Great Okay, And then finally for us this morning, the
very literally named one shot with Ed Sheeron.

Speaker 18 (58:34):
Yeah, this is a new twist on the music documentary genre.
This is a one hour music documentary of Ed Shearon
walking around New York playing songs on his guitar. But
the thing about this show is that it is one
continuous take. And it's directed by Philip Barantini, who also
directed the award winning incredible one shot drama Adolescence, so

(58:56):
a bit of a different vibe. But he is repeating
that one shot, never cut away, single approach here. And
it starts with the camera entering a theater where Edgharon
is doing a sound check for a concert that night,
and then he walks out onto the street and plays
a song for the next hour. And I came to
this thinking, great, we'll see lots of spontaneous, unpredictable New

(59:17):
York moments as he wanders around strumming his guitar. But
this is a very well organized spontaneity. It is tightly choreographed,
and I guess it has to be.

Speaker 21 (59:27):
You know.

Speaker 18 (59:27):
He sings at a proposal, he sings at a birthday party,
He gets on a tourist bus that just happens to
be waiting there with seats saved for him. You know,
that kind of thing. But you know, Ed is having
the time of his life. He said that this is
the best thing he's been evolved with in his career
in terms of the scale of it. New York looks great.
It's filmed in the summer, It's filled with sunshine and
hazy light, and technically is a really impressive watch as well.

(59:51):
It's a bit of fun the Happy TV and it's
an ead sharing concert with a twist. So if you
are an Edd Shairing fan, you will absolutely love this great.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Okay, cool. So that's one shot with ed Share and
that's on Netflix. The Boardline is the Canadian drama that's
on three now, and All Her Fault is on TVNZ plus.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News Talks Abe.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
We're mixing things up. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that,
but a variety on Saturday morning, that's a good thing.
Right over five years ago now, in the midst of lockdowns,
in the midst of the mass content creation that was
spawning online and ample time for musicians to churn out
brand new release after brand new release after brand new release,

(01:00:56):
our music reviewer Chris Schultz made a prediction right what
would be the ongoing effect of that period of that
moment on music and musicians, And we managed to go
through the archives and dig out the audio see here's
what Chris Schultz said five years ago.

Speaker 22 (01:01:14):
We all kind of need a bit of comfort, and
I do wonder if maybe some of those bands and
acts from our past will start going on nostalgia. And
you know, I could see heavier, louder, angrier music making
a bit of a comeback. I really hope new metal
doesn't make a comeback, but maybe grunge makes it come. Yeah,

(01:01:34):
people coming together for the sounds of twenty years ago,
when life seemed a little bit simply you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Know, ding ding ding. Flash forward to this week, to
this month, to this year, and what Chris Predict did
has most certainly come true. Like he couldn't have been
more on the money with those comments. Right. Metallica shredded
to a crowd of fifty five thousand on Wednesday night.
Both Tool and The Pixies are going to be ripping
up on stage this weekend. Oasis has done their incredible

(01:02:03):
international worldwide reunion tour. Deaftones have just announced they're coming
to New Zealand next year. So bands from all over
the world are delivering incredible nostalgia tours. So we want
to ask this morning, given he was so right five
years ago, how long can this reflection of the past

(01:02:23):
actually last and who's going to be next up on
the international touring roster. Chris is going to be back
with us before midday today to give us another hot take.
And if he's like last time, he's going to be
one hundred percent on the money. Hey, thanks for feedback,
Jane flick me note. So, Jack, wonderful interview with Sir
Tony Robinson this morning. Really loved it, Peter says Jack.

(01:02:44):
Fantastic interview. Tony is a national treasure, well, an international treasure,
don't you think, Peter. If you want to send us
a message, ninety two ninety two is our text number.
Jacket Newstalks headb dot co dot zet is the email address.
Very soon, our resident doctor will will be in taking
a closer look at younger onset type two diabetes this week,
something that affects more and more New Zealanders every year.

(01:03:06):
Next up, though, our texperts here twenty five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking
Breakfast and you.

Speaker 23 (01:03:14):
Zeeland first lined up to tell the world they will
campaign on flipping the new regulatory standards law Winston Peters
as well as here's my concern. Most of the media
are whittingly appence with an excitement over the fact that
your coalition's falling apart.

Speaker 8 (01:03:27):
You don't want that, do well?

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Of course not.

Speaker 24 (01:03:29):
I mean I made the point of the number one
responsibility with God a matter of our difference is to
provide a stable government to the next election. That master,
that's our responsibility. But these Geneis are celebrating and it's
still like saying, you know, I'm just discussed by the
fact that when our first came to Parland, people in
the press gallery has been around fifteen twenty years at
the top of the class. Now you've got a whold
of the journeys that don't want Yesterday look like.

Speaker 23 (01:03:48):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
So you know how Google has absolutely dominated search engines
for what the best part of twenty years. There's this
new company called Perplexity that knows it's a bit of
an underdog, but it's using AI to give users a
bit of a different experience and it's hoping to take
down Google's dominance on the web. Our Textbitt Paul Stenhouse

(01:04:15):
is here with the details this morning. Hey Paul, Hey,
good morning.

Speaker 8 (01:04:19):
Yeah, because Google's won.

Speaker 15 (01:04:20):
Because if you want to know anything and you want
to do anything on the internet, what do you do?
You either open up your Chrome browser, which Google owns,
which has something like ninety percent of the market share,
which is just astronomical idness, and then it is and
if you're using your Safari or whatever else you're using,
you probably go to Google dot com because it's always
been the best. It's just where everybody starts. Yeah, yeah,

(01:04:43):
and that's what Perpecity wants to try to change, right.
They came into this AI game a little bit differently.
They really tried to go first into this browser kind
of this browser first mentality of well, if we can
be the starting point, then that's where we're going to win.

Speaker 25 (01:04:59):
Yeah, and I will say, you know, the open.

Speaker 15 (01:05:01):
Ais, the company behind chat GPT, they've started to get
into their browser sort of game now as well because
they're seeing the same thing and they want to be
that utility you go to. But Perplexity has really done
it really quickly, and they've just launched their Android app,
so it's sort of a browser for Android which is
available and then days away will be the iOS app

(01:05:24):
already available on Mac, already available on Windows. So they've
really got all of the kind of big bases covered right,
and they've done it really quite quickly. They're a little
bit different from the other ais as well, and they
were one of the early ones to really use real
time searching in their AI results. So just to give

(01:05:45):
a little bit of context for that, right, the AI
companies go out and they teach it things and they've
usually got what.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
They call a knowledge cutoff.

Speaker 15 (01:05:52):
And so what Perplexity did was they combine the knowledge
base with real time search results and then brought it
all together. And they've been a little bit controversial because
they're a little bit maybe let's say, loosey goosey with
some of the rules around be right in respecting you know,
websites terms of service and things like that. But they
have got a pretty good funny that they've got a

(01:06:14):
pretty good service when it comes to things that are
happening with news and sports and really timely information. So
maybe if you've got an Andrew phone, check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Okay, do you know what I've just given a quick
crack while you've been talking to us, So I've gone
to Google and I said, who is Paul Stenhouse? And
Google said, to a member of the Missionaries of the
Sacred Heart, he was a scholar, linguist, expert on Samarason studies,
writer history in an editor of the longest lasting journal
in Australia's history, which I had no idea about Paul.
But then I went to Sometimes exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:06:46):
It's very interesting Priestley thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Well, I went to Perplexity and asked the same thing,
and it gave me options. So it said, Paul Steenhouse
can refer to two notable individuals. One is the knowledgeable Yes,
one is the afore mentioned Paul. The other is a
contemporary Paul Steinhouse. You know you're contemporary, Paul. How about that?
A contemporary Paul House, a New Zealand born media and
technology professional based.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
In New York.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
There you go, a tech commentator, media host making frequent
appearances to discuss technology trends. There you go, Paul, Do
you Jack Chane?

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
Look at that Perplexity knows WhatsApp.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
We sold Perplexity this morning. Hey, I think increasingly many
of us are using WhatsApp, probably as our primary messaging
service now, but some changes are coming to the WhatsApp service.

Speaker 26 (01:07:32):
Yeah, and look owned by Meta.

Speaker 15 (01:07:34):
Right, So we've got Facebook, we've got Instagram, we've got WhatsApp,
and what are you some kind of seeing is all
of these services are now starting to combine. And so
WhatsApp is just launching a feature from Instagram called notes,
And so if you're on your WhatsApp, you'll be able
to set sort of like a status message that appears
by your stories circles. And so the idea is that

(01:07:56):
you set a status and at lasts generally for twenty
four hours, you can kind of change some of the timing.
But yeah, you know, you can be like, hey, I'm Jack,
I'm in Melbourne, or I'm looking for this thing or
whatever it is. It's just interesting that I guess Meta
is really trying to bring all these things together. And
I did notice recently I use Messenger Facebook Messenger on
Mac and they're gonna be winding that down over the

(01:08:19):
next couple of months. And I wouldn't be surprised if
that means they're kind of going to standardize. I guess
we'll try to push everything in one direction. Yeah, right,
but also you say, in New Zealand's especially Latin America, Asia, WhatsApp,
especially Europe, WhatsApp is the default.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Everyone uses WhatsApp.

Speaker 26 (01:08:37):
In the States not so much.

Speaker 15 (01:08:38):
The iPhone has such a stranglehold that my message is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Kind of the dominant player.

Speaker 15 (01:08:44):
And I think by bringing some of the Instagram features
over to WhatsApp is probably part of their play as well,
to get WhatsApp feeling maybe a little more familiar to
the Instagram folks.

Speaker 8 (01:08:55):
Of the US.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Yeah right, okay, watch the space. Thanks Paul Paul Stenhouse,
not to be confused with the missionary author and religious
historian Paul Steinhouse, of course, seventeen to Elevenson doctors here
in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News Talk said, be it
to let.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
On you thook dead. B Doctor Brian Betty is our
resident doctor. Good morning, Serve, Oh, good morning Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Nice to be here, you nice.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
To be chatting. We're taking a cloger look this morning
at younger onset type two diabetes. So let's set off
with just a quick reminder. What's the difference between T
one and T two?

Speaker 21 (01:09:35):
Yes, so look, diabetes affects more than three hundred thousand
people in New Zealand. Now the cost of the country
is about two point one billion a year and the
really interesting figure that'ser point six seven percent of our GDP.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
So this is a big issue now.

Speaker 21 (01:09:49):
It occurs when the pancreas doesn't produce enough inchulin, which
is a thing that controls blood sugars. So type one
usually occurs at a younger age and it's where the
body turns on itself. Is it what we call an
autoimmune reaction, and it shuts down the pancreas and it
can't produce inchulin type two, who is more common with age,
and essentially the pancreas wears out, it starts to run down,

(01:10:11):
can't produce enough inchland, can't control the sugars, and over
time the sugars start to rise. So they're very two,
very very different conditions.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
So what's happening with type two diabetes in New Zealand?

Speaker 21 (01:10:23):
So look big big numbers are two hundred and fifty
thousand to three hundred thousand. We have type two diabetes
previously seen mostly in people over the age of fifty. However,
and this is what's happened over the last twenty five
years it's increasingly incurring in younger people, even now teenagers
and children, and we never ever saw that before. Now

(01:10:44):
this is happening particularly in Maori, Pacifica and Asian young people.
And this, as I said, not seen thirty years ago.
So this is a really new and very very concerning
trend that started to develop over the last couple of decades.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Do we know why it's happening?

Speaker 21 (01:11:01):
Look, the exact cause is very unclear. Now it's a
worldwide phenomenon, especially in indigenous populations, so First Nations people
in Canada, First Nations in America, Aboriginals. We've seen this
across the world. Now, it's complex, It's more than just lifestyle.
It likely involves genetics, maybe a strong family history. We

(01:11:24):
know that mothers who have type two diabetes during pregnancy
there's an increased risk with their children, and this perhaps
happening earlier as well, and we do know that some
lifestyle factors are involved. However, we really do need more
research because it's very very poorly understood as to why
this is occurring.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Yeah, but it's certainly worrying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Oh, Look, look.

Speaker 21 (01:11:49):
I think the real concern here is that early onset
Type two diabetes has a much more what we for
better want of a better word, aggressive course, So those
complications such as kidney disease, heart disease, and stroke can
occur at a much earlier age. Now, this is a
significant cost of the health system, as I've said, but

(01:12:09):
it's an even greater cost to the patient, to they're fauner,
and to communities. So it's something we really really need
to start to take note of.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Yeah, right, okay, and there are things that you know
we can do. Although we don't understand the specific reasons
for the spike, there are things that we can do
to try and reduce the instances of T two.

Speaker 21 (01:12:29):
Right, Yeah, Look, look, I think it's awareness and education
around diabetes is really really important. I mean, I think
we do need to provide strong, wrap round support for
younger people with diabetes. That's both from a medical sense
and a community sense. In terms of what's happening. I
think awareness of the symptoms of diabetes is really really important.

(01:12:51):
So so the big four a weight loss, tiredness, frequent
going to the toilet, a urination or.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Excess of thirst.

Speaker 21 (01:13:00):
Those are the ones to watch out for. I mean, certainly,
if any of those happen, please see your GP or your.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
Nurse.

Speaker 21 (01:13:07):
And remember, I think it can occur at any age,
So we just need to be aware of this now
that the shift has occurred, and we just need to
be front of mind about this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Yeah, okay, fascinating. Thank you so much, Brian. We really
appreciate it, and we'll make sure all of those points
are up on the website. That's doctor Brian Betty, our
resident doctor. After eleven o'clock this morning, we're going to
show you this fascinating study that suggests that what you
do on your phone can be directly linked to your mood.

(01:13:38):
Now you might say, oh, that's really obvious and be like, well,
the more time you spend doom scrolling or something like that,
that the worst you might feel. Or the more time
you're seeing you know, really grim images of war and
that kind of thing on your phone, then the worst
you might feel. But no, no, that's not. What this
study suggests is that your actual key strokes, so your
activity on your phone can give people a sense, or

(01:14:02):
give researchers a sense of the kind of mood you're in.
So we're going to explain more after really and o'clock
this morning because the implications from some of this are
absolutely extraordinary. Right now, it's ten to wele eleven. We're
in the garden. Next on news talks, he'd.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Be gardling with still Sharp's battery system kits get a
second battery half price.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
It's eight minutes two eleven. On news talks, he'd be rude.
Climb passes in the garden for us this morning. But
as a prior, proud Canta, I have to start rude
by just double checking you. You've been to Dmitries a
few times, haven't you. I've been too cool Dmitri souvlaki.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
No, I have no rude.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Yeah, I'm sorry, true clime past. Are you serious a
job though?

Speaker 10 (01:14:43):
I'm serious, I haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
I would have thought you'd be well into that. You're
a man who appreciates the finer things in life.

Speaker 10 (01:14:50):
Yeah, I do. That's why I eat the Indonesian food.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Oh you've got it. Look, I don't know what you
and Julia are planning for lunch today. I suggest you
take your wonderful wife on a little bit of a date.
Your head to Riverside Market, you go to Dmitries, you
celebrate their fortieth birthday. It's an Institute, Right.

Speaker 16 (01:15:08):
I should I should ask Judie out, that's right. The
only problem, Jack is I've spent a week on the
rue of Mahanga River in why Wrapper filming day and.

Speaker 11 (01:15:19):
Night, sixteen hour film filming.

Speaker 20 (01:15:22):
Stuff, and I am off to take a po and
twice of this coming week doing the same sort of
work with teachers and kids and all sorts of So yeah, no,
I have to will go all right, I'll say, And.

Speaker 11 (01:15:36):
It's going to be Jewish.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Birthday, Well should take her there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Fair enough.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Hey, the spiders are having a bit of a moment
because it's the same year where they're on the wing, right.

Speaker 10 (01:15:50):
They're on the wing, and this is the time when,
especially when the baby spiders come out, they start going
all over the place, and they have this wonderful way
of literally going on the wing by ballooning. If I
said ballooning, you to think of a hot air balloon,
and it's exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:16:10):
The spiders. Of course, the silk and some of the
silk we call ballooning silk.

Speaker 10 (01:16:15):
So there you go.

Speaker 11 (01:16:17):
Start off. First, we have this Australian thing called the
golden orb weaving spider, big thing, really big I've put
some pictures on there on the website.

Speaker 10 (01:16:28):
And these guys can literally with ballooning silk, go without
stopping from Australia to New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
That's unbelievable. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:16:42):
Yeah, And every year we'll find some usually on the
west coast of New Zealand alive.

Speaker 11 (01:16:48):
Making their own their own website.

Speaker 20 (01:16:51):
I like that word, their own website, which could be
the size of a volleyball net.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Yeah, now, yes, that it's amazing.

Speaker 10 (01:17:03):
And these guys. It's also suppets that fly into the net,
including very young birds or small birds.

Speaker 14 (01:17:08):
Even they can they can get stuck in there. This
is the sort of stuff. But this is not the
only thing there are at the moment. Because of the
wonderful summer we're having now lots of other spiders that
can fly and float and go all over the place.
And I'll give you an example, the nursery web spider.
It's got six or seven different types of silk makes

(01:17:29):
the nursery webs and the little babies are being released
by mum and they fly asay from christ Judge to Auckland,
no problem.

Speaker 13 (01:17:37):
Wow, yeah, I find that amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
It's ridiculous, isn't it. There's no problem. I mean they're
probably not. They're not necessarily navigating, are they. But they are.
They're on the wind. Yeah, that's the point.

Speaker 10 (01:17:50):
Yes, And they use that wind actually together along with it,
and that's exactly what it's about. And the same with
these things like Daddy long legs, same sort of stuff.
The way they handle their silk is fabulous. You know,
twenty eggs all tied together with one little strain of
silk and that's how they hang in the corner off

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your dining room.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
That's amazing. I thank you so much, Rude, have a
wonderful weekend, and do make sure to take Julia Long
to Dmitries when you have a chance. Won't you Rootki
Pass in the garden for us this morning after eleven
o'clock our news talks. He'd be our travel correspondent is
taking us to the city of Love. We're going to

(01:18:32):
Parris this morning, to Paris after eleven. As well as that,
we're gonna share with you the latest from Bill Bryson
in our book segment, so it should be good fun.
It's almost news time, almost eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Taine
Saturday morning, and this is News Talks.

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
He'd be.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
He'd be, Hello, Hello, good morning, welcome to News Books.

(01:19:22):
He'd be, if you're just turning us on, it is
good to have your company. I'm here till midday. Check
tams my name Hey. Five years ago, five years ago,
our music reviewer Chris Schultz was with us and at
the time, in the midst of the kind of COVID madness,
he predicted that in the coming years there would be

(01:19:45):
a massive influx of musicians tapping into nostalgic vibes. He
thought that heavy metal musicians, big bands would tour the
world and tap into the kind of millennial and gen
X music lovers who felt like, yeah, they wanted to
turn back the hands of time twenty years or so

(01:20:05):
and celebrate that music turns out. Of course, he was
absolutely one hundred percent spot on. Just think about the
likes of the shows we've had in the last couple
of weeks in this part of the world. We had
Metallica this week, fifty five thousand people. They played in
front of at Eden Park Oasis. Of course, wrapped up
their world tour in Australia. Anyway, Chris Schultz is going
to be back with us before midday, reflecting on that

(01:20:27):
nostalgic trend and throwing forward with the bands that he
thinks are going to be touring next. As well as that,
we've got our book segment for this week, including a
Short History of Nearly Everything two by Bill Bryson. I
don't know if you've read The Short History of Nearly Everything.
It is honestly one of my favorite books. Bill Bryson,
of course, friend of the show, an extraordinary, kind of

(01:20:49):
unique author who is able to make seemingly dry subjects
incredibly interesting by weaving all sorts of fascinating stories around them.
That's really what he did with the Short History of
Nearly Everything one. So we'll tell you about the second
edition of that book or the sequel if you like,
before midday. Right now, it's eight minutes past eleven, Jack

(01:21:11):
Team time to catch up with protocal psychologist Doogle Sutherland,
who's with us this morning with a fascinating new study.
Good morning, Google Cure.

Speaker 27 (01:21:19):
Jack and I think you know, the biggest question on
everybody's lips was when when the Smiths are going to
be coming, you do You're not going to I know
they're not going to reunite any time at all, but
you know, that would have been.

Speaker 6 (01:21:33):
That'd be a great thing to I mean, that would.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
Be like a little Morrissey tour would be yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:21:39):
Yeah, well yeah, that's not going to happen, but anyway, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
Yeah, no, no, it's yeah, yeah, that would be. That
would be a real trick, now, it would be. There's
probably My theory is is that there's money in.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
It, you know, one hundred percent.

Speaker 27 (01:21:53):
You know, if you look at the people who you
know they're targeting, it's those people who are probably their
kids have left home and they've got a little bit
of extra spending cash, and oh yeah, we could go
to that as opposed to the four old you know,
you know many year olds who are struggling and on
the doll and don't have any money to spend on
concert tickets.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
So let's tag at the people with lots of money
in their pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
Yeah, hey, I've just done a quick google. Apparently apparently
Morrissey is playing in Bogatar.

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Really in Colombia. There you go, Okay, look, you know
where's a trip I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Playing and boitar and then and then following it up
with a concert in Greece. So okay, there's wouldn't say never.

Speaker 27 (01:22:32):
I mean, it's it's Christmas time and like you know,
it's people are looking around for a gift ideas for me, so.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Like the budget extends. Yes, hey, it's funny. We're always
looking for Yeah, we always hear that our phone usage
is you know, we are many of us are on
our phones too much, and that often our phone usage
can be kind of anti social. It leads to all
sorts of negative impacts. But there's a fascinating new study
you have for us this week look at ways to

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try and spot early signs of problems like depression or
bipolar and it's linked to your phone.

Speaker 6 (01:23:08):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 27 (01:23:08):
And it was when I when I started reading this,
I thought, you know, oh god, it'd just be another way,
one of those ones that says stop doom scrolling and
blah blah blah and get off social media and it
and our God, it was I was really fascinated by this.
So what they did now before people get excited or worried,
perhaps worried, they did have to download a special keyboard

(01:23:29):
for use in this study.

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
So this wasn't.

Speaker 27 (01:23:31):
Monitoring your your your phone just by some sort of nefarious.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
They knew this was happening. It wasn't somebody.

Speaker 27 (01:23:37):
They knew this was no, no, no, and they had
a special keyboard to monitor it. But basically what they
found was that a number of interesting patterns emerged from
looking at people's keystrokes on their on their phone, on
their cell phone.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
So sort of three main things that they found.

Speaker 27 (01:23:55):
Certainly, when people were starting to get depressed, so they
were okay, but then they were those early warning signs
starting to come on.

Speaker 6 (01:24:01):
They started to notice much lower.

Speaker 27 (01:24:04):
Accuracy in their spelling, and they're typing speed going up
and down, which is probably they think reflective of you know,
when you start to get a bit depressed, you're thinking
everything kind of slows down a bit, and it's a
bit like thinking sort of in mud, and you try,
it's always a bit more of a struggle.

Speaker 28 (01:24:26):
They found that people tended to use their phone more
when they were getting than they were when they're not depressed,
which they were thinking might be related to lonely and
withdrawing socially and therefore starting to use my.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Phone more myself lonelier and withdraw further. Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:24:42):
Yeah, kind of self fulfilling prophecy, right in terms of, yeah,
now you spend lots of time on your phone and
you don't socialize as much, and then you worry about
the fact that nobody's really calling me, or I haven't
been out with anybody, so I'll go on my phone more.

Speaker 6 (01:24:53):
So that's it's a it's.

Speaker 27 (01:24:55):
A tricky, you know, spiral to fall into. I think
the most fascinating one that I found, anyway, was that
they found that people when they're getting depressed had much
higher rates of using them backspace.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
Key which is like wow.

Speaker 27 (01:25:10):
And again it's the idea that you're probably typing more
errors when you are or thinking or getting caught up
in your own thinking, and so.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
You're typing something and then oh no, no, that's not
writ in backspace, backspace, backspace.

Speaker 27 (01:25:25):
And so they found that there was an increased rate
of this increased rate of backspacing using your keyboard on
your phone predicted whether you're become depressed or not, which
was quite a quite a fascinating little finding.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
I thought, it is really interesting, is what I anticipated
you would say, So is it do you think because
people are like second guessing themselves.

Speaker 27 (01:25:46):
Yeah, second guessing and getting caught up and you start
writing something and then go oh no, you know that's
not right or and maybe part of it too again,
that's sort of slowing down of your thinking skills that you,
I know, what.

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
Do I want to say? I can't? Oh no that's
not right.

Speaker 27 (01:26:03):
Back backpack, back back, and you know, just and self
to you know, when you get depressed, doubt yourself and think,
oh my god, no that I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
No.

Speaker 27 (01:26:11):
So so there was just this increased flurry of backspacing,
and they found that that was a really great predictor
of when people were going to get depressed.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
So I thought, I thought that.

Speaker 27 (01:26:22):
Was such a fascinating you know, just from one literally
almost one key on your phone was going to predict
your mood. It was sort of like, Wow, that's that
could be That could be revolutionary in many ways.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Yes, So what do you think are the possible implications
from this?

Speaker 27 (01:26:36):
Well, look, I think you know, you could conceivably we're
beginning to use apps in AI more and more in
mental health, and I know it's a debatable area and
we need to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
With lots of caution.

Speaker 27 (01:26:48):
But imagine if you could hook this up, you know,
and that you've got an alert on your phone saying hey, look,
we've noticed in the past couple of days your backspace
rate has increased. We're wondering this might be a you know,
an early sign of depression. What you know, do you
want to do something about it? So just giving people
that feedback. If you're working with a psychologist or a counselor,

(01:27:10):
it might be able to send them some info in
real time saying, hey, you know, perhaps monitor Google. We've
just noticed as backspace rate has increased, that might indicators
moods going down.

Speaker 6 (01:27:21):
But just really sort of linking in a real kind
of early intervention self awareness. And I think it could
be potentially quite revolutionary.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
It's really interesting, isn't that amazing? I suppose in some
respects this is a bit of good news about the
technology in our lives if you're honest in a productive way.

Speaker 27 (01:27:44):
Look, let's remember really that the Internet is just a tool,
and we can use the tool for good or for
in quotes bad. And I think this is an opportunity
to see how we could potentially use it for something
for something good, for something helpful, for our mental health
rather than it's sort of being always the thing that's
causing our.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
Mental health problems.

Speaker 27 (01:28:04):
This is actually the flip side and saying hey, look,
if we harness this technology properly, maybe maybe it could
be really useful for helping people's.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Mental Yeah, yeah, great point. Hey, thank you so much
to do wele, you always find these amazing studies. For us,
we'd never never come across the table, but for you
and we honestly it's so interesting.

Speaker 27 (01:28:22):
I spend many many hours jack late at night looking
for these studies just so I can come on and
tell you, well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
I can't imagine they're all this interesting. So the fact
that down the really interesting ones and and filter them
for us, there's very much appreciated.

Speaker 27 (01:28:35):
Yeah, there's a lot of drudgery there that you have
to scroll and.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Yeah, yeah, hey, thank you so much. Have a great weekend,
doogle something from Umbrella Well Being. In a couple of minutes,
our travel correspondent is going to be with us on
news talking he'd be this week. He is taking us
through his favorite bites and sights in Paris.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Travel with Wendy Woo Tours where the world is yours.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
For now Mike Yardley is the man with the toughest
job in the business travel corresponding.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
Good morning sir, Good morning Jack.

Speaker 29 (01:29:07):
I've been drawling over your gushing about Dmitries and christ
Church today.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Reason surely as I do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Yes, No, I totally agree.

Speaker 29 (01:29:20):
The one tip I would give, whether you're a local
or visiting christ Church, do not go there and order
order on the phone or online because, as Sam said
to you, yeah, the cues, the lines at riverside can
be crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
They can be crazy. Yeah, I mean they're crazy for
good reason as well. It's not just it's good reason.
But that's a very very good tip. Ordering online so
you can just turn up and have it two minutes beforehand,
have it passed hot? Yes too?

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Yeah, forty years that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Isn't that brilliant?

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
It just shows, you know, if you've got a winning combination,
there's always going to be demanded. As far as I can.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Say, it's so true.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Anyway, we are casting our attention a little further afield
this going to the bi ites and sits in Paris,
And is your sense that Paris is falling prey to
over tourism.

Speaker 29 (01:30:15):
Yes, it is pumping and interestingly, I like New Zealand,
Paris didn't really miss a beat post COVID.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
It just rocketed back.

Speaker 29 (01:30:27):
So like they've had over fifty million tourists pouring into
the city this year, and a lot of that's probably
on the back of the Olympics last year, but for
many months of the year, Jack, Paris resembles a hot
mess of humanity. I was there a fortnight ago, way
outside the peak tourism season. It was still lively, but

(01:30:48):
definitely more manageable. So I reckon if you are planning
a fling with Paris, it's now a cool cation destination.
You know, go October to March, rug up rave the elements.
You will have so much more room to move. But
definitely May June, July, August, September, steer clear.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Very good tip. So how is the crowd crush at
the Notre Dame Cathedral.

Speaker 29 (01:31:13):
Yeah, it's interesting because it is rivaling the Eiffel Tower
for supreme attraction status on the back of its restoration.
So they've had over fifteen million tourists through the masterpiece
so far this year to check out how to spend
a billion dollars and as has been the case for
eight hundred and sixty years. Notret arm is free. It's

(01:31:35):
open to all, so you don't have to buy a ticket.
But it's once again it's dodging the crowds as the issue.
So my tip would be head there at the very
start of day, go to the eight o'clock morning mess
and you will be straight in.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
So it's only a thirty minute service. The mess an
express service, but it's.

Speaker 29 (01:31:57):
Such a really good way to savor the building in
the morning, crowd free, calm, it's just so much more rewarding.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
And now that they're restoration has been completed, just how
impressive does it look?

Speaker 29 (01:32:10):
It is astonishing, Jack I Reckon, it's like time travel
because I remember I was there probably seven eight years ago,
and the interior was black. Now it is so pure
and creamy. Eight hundred years of grime and soot from
burning candles has been removed, so you just see this

(01:32:31):
buttery hue of limestone.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
It's absolutely astonishing.

Speaker 29 (01:32:35):
The other thing that blew me away just all of
the specialist craftsmanship, like the two thousand oak trees that
were cut across France and then hand cut into beams
and trusses using medieval tools. They apparently mined a thousand
cubic meters of limestone that was then chiseled into all

(01:32:59):
of the leaping arches and the grinning gargoyle as you
can see now. So yeah, it's like a temple to
traditional craft. You just walk around with your with your
mouth wide open as a Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Speaking of if you're looking for some signature eat in Paris,
what would be the key to a great crop? Monsieur?

Speaker 29 (01:33:20):
The ultimate comfort thod. It's like the dimitries of Paris,
isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
So?

Speaker 29 (01:33:25):
Yes, along with your smoked ham and your Dijon mustard.
The essential element as molten gree year cheese. It's gotta
be the gree year because it melts smoothly and evenly,
and that delivers that gooey and stretchy consistency.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
So that is the kicker.

Speaker 29 (01:33:45):
I noticed, by the way that a lot of people
in Paris are having kroc madan, which is equally as popular.
The added extra is a fried egg crowning your croc.
So it's actually a really good breakfast option, a krock madant.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Yeah. What about sweet treats? Any standouts for you?

Speaker 30 (01:34:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:34:06):
I went to a place called Bistro Marbouf, which is
just off the Champsalise for French crapes, and they've been
pumping out crapes at Bistro Marbouf for centuries and it's
this lovely, elegant wood panel to bistro. So there were
a lot of locals in there chomping down on crapes
mid morning, sort of like a mid morning picked me up.

(01:34:28):
And apparently the biggest cellar in Paris are banana and
chocolate topped crapes, but I still reckon butter and sugar
topped crapes is the way to go. And by the way,
just around the corner from Bistro Marbouf, PARTISERI Perfection, lauder
Ray's flagship venue on the Champsalise. Oh my god, what
a calorific cannibal of color this place is and just

(01:34:52):
food art galore. So if you're a fan of makaron's,
I'm not I find them ployingly sweet personally, But if
you are a fan, definitely go to Larderer and Something Extra.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
The pastry workshops there are.

Speaker 29 (01:35:06):
Really popular, so you can, you know, make a macharon
like an executive chef.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
But you do need to book well in advance.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Okay, cool. So what are your favorite districts in Paris.

Speaker 29 (01:35:17):
Yeah, it's a big, sprawling city to stroll, so you've
got to do it in sort of bite sized bits.
I reckon, But the three Pockets I really adore strolling
through the Opera district, which includes that sublime department store
Gallery Lafayette, and then you can see all of those
incredible boulevards designed by Houseman. I also really love Saint

(01:35:39):
Germain de Prey because it's just cafe hopping heaven, all
very leafy, lots of sheep boutiques. It's just quintessential powers
I reckon. But for the most distinctively different slice of Paris.
I know it's very terristy, but it is a rock star.
Mon Mart with all those slinky lanes, the hilltop perch,

(01:36:00):
the at Moss and Renoi lived that's worth the walk
up the hill.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
Yeah, it was so good. Where they had the Tour
de France this year, they raced up mo Mart and
was just like, ah it was yeah in the final
leg of the tour is so good. What would you
eat if you're stopping off the mo Mart? Where would
you go?

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:36:19):
I had lunch at a place called Lamir Catherine, which
is right on the main square in Montmarte. These guys,
and interestingly it won't blow your budget this place. But
these guys opened in the same year that Marie Antoinette
was guillotined seventeen ninety three. So I pondered that Jack
as I dismembered a plate of burgundy snails, huge shells,

(01:36:43):
massive shells, really small snails. So it's the first time
I have sampled gestropods. They tasted like squishy slivers of
fungi to me, so I'm not sold on them. But
they had a very sweet and happy ending. At Lamir Catherine.
I had the fudge chocolate cake with custard cream. Oh

(01:37:05):
my god, go there, wall cup the hill for that
fudge chocolate cake and custard cream.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
So here is, in the space of two minutes, you've
told us that macaroons are too sweet for your taste,
but you're recommending the fudge chocolate cake with custard cream, right,
I see.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Yes, I know there is a contradiction there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
That's all right, that's all right, no criticism from this end. Hey,
that sounds amazing. Things sounds wonderful. So we'll make sure
all of your top bites and sites in Paris are
up on the website and catch you again very soon,
Mike Hardley, our travel correspondent. Before midday, our music reviewer
is in with his picks on what the next big
bands to go on global tours might be, especially as

(01:37:42):
they tap into the kind of nostalgia trend for millennials
and Gen x's at the moment. And as well as that,
we've got your book picks for this week, including Nash
Falls from David Baldaci, friend of the show, who was
on as our feature interviewed this time last week. It
has just gone twenty eight minutes past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with a team
on News TALKSB.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
Wenty nine minutes to twelve on News Talk ZB, which
means we are four hours from the first ball of
Day two of the Ashes. If you're a Test cricket fan,
if you're a Test cricket tragic like me, you will
have been absolutely froth and counting down the days to
the start of the twenty twenty five twenty six Ashes,
and my goodness, Day one did not disappoint. This afternoon
on Weekend Sport once Jason Pine takes over the mic.

(01:38:31):
He is going to have English cricket legends Thary in
both them on the show Pneies with indeed, how good?
How good? Jackie? You know, I'm like you.

Speaker 25 (01:38:39):
I'm absolutely I'm just a I love my Test cricket
and I love the Ashes. And look, it was a
chaotic opening day, wasn't it. Nineteen wickets? I mean we're
basically halfway through the Test match after just one day.
Most on the first day of the Ashes Test wickets
that has since nineteen oh nine, so you know that's
that's a long time ago. Yes, sir Ian, both of

(01:39:01):
them all, Lord, both of them as he is now
he's been appointed by the Prime Minister into the House
of Lords.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Is going to join us from Perth.

Speaker 25 (01:39:07):
I mean, what a player and what an analyst of
the game, and what a name to be chatting to.
So yeah, Lord, both of them with us after two
o'clock this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Looking forward to as a cricket fan, how do you
feel this games placed? If you were going to get
a result either way? Can you can you pick in
any which way?

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:39:25):
I can't because neither team seems capable of applying themselves
at the crease. It's as though batting is something that
has eluded them, or the ability to bat long periods now,
and who knows whether that's a white ball thing or not.

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
I'm not sure. But what's the lead.

Speaker 25 (01:39:39):
England have forty nine ossie and nine down. So let's
say that they scrape together a few more runs, it's
still going to be the best part of forty runs behind.
If England can apply themselves and build a lead, then
you'd have to think they'd be favorite. But the way
Mitchell Stark bold yesterday seven for fifty eight and looked
capable of wicket taking deliveries, deliveries pretty much every time
you bold look at the England could find themselves all

(01:40:03):
out again today. That's the crazy thing about this Test match.
You know we might get we might have a result today.
We might and I hope we don't because yeah, that
would be I mean I doubt it would because because
I know there are people who probably have Day three tickets.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
Who would like to think that it would go into
a third day.

Speaker 8 (01:40:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:40:20):
So look, I'm like you, Jack, I just love the
ashes and the coverage of it and everything that goes
with it, the history, It'll be one hundred and fifty
years in a couple of years since they first played
in eighteen seventy seven, so that's how far back it goes.
So yeah, looking forward to that this afternoon, in particular
chatting to Lord both of them after two.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
And sticking with cricket, you have got a bit of
an exclusive when it comes to the T twenty setup.

Speaker 25 (01:40:41):
Yeah, the end ZED twenty has been talked about a lot,
This new proposal for a domestic T twenty competition to
replace our super smash. Up until now, we haven't heard
from anybody involved with n ZED twenty. But after midday
Don McKinnon, one of our foremost sporting administrators, who is
the chair of the Establishment Committee, is going to come.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
On and join us.

Speaker 25 (01:41:01):
Tell us who's involved, what is the plan for it,
how will it go alongside or replacing our super smash,
how will it best prepare our top players for international
Tea twenty cricket, and how will they compete with the
other T twenty leagues that are going on at the
same time for the best international players. So you're really
looking forward to Don McKinnon answering a few questions for

(01:41:21):
us after midday.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Nice and of course tomorrow morning ten pus four, I
think kickoffers in Cardiff ten pus four in New Zealand.
Time the All Backs Wales Final Test of twenty twenty five.
How are you feeling well? I feel as though they'll
win the Test. I'm not sure how many questions that
will answer, because you know, after last week, I think
there are a lot of unanswered questions and with wholesale changes,
it's not as though it's the same team being rolled

(01:41:44):
out again. Look, Wales have been fairly average recently. I
think will win the Test.

Speaker 25 (01:41:48):
I'd like to see some of the guys who haven't
had a lot of opportunity this year get some good
game time, the likes of a Rubin Love for example.
I think hees bided at his time and gets a
second test start. Others in there as well. Yeah, I
think probably once this game has done and dusted, then
we can have a proper review of the year, which
might do tomorrow on the show, perhaps Jack, after that's

(01:42:09):
all done and dusted.

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
Yeah, very good, All right, I have a great show
this afternoon, looking forward to it. Three and both of
them on the show, Lord, both of them on the
show counting down to the First Fall, the second day
of the First Ashes Test. Jason Pine will be with you,
of course after midday. Before midday, we've got your book
picks for this week, and we're turning back the hands
of time and then trying to cast forward, working out
which Nostalgic Acts might be the next big bands to tour.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Twenty two to twelve on news Talks 'DB. We had
a cracking interview with best selling author David bald Archie
last week talking about his new book, Nash Falls, and
our book reviewer Katherine Rains has got her hands on
a copy. She's with us this morning. Good morning, good morning. Yeah,
what did you think of Nash Falls? Tell us about it?

Speaker 31 (01:43:00):
So it talks all about the sky called Walda Nash.
He's a real mild man of man, and he has
this highly executive role at a place called Symbaric Investments,
and he's really unaccustomed to violence. That's not part of
his life. He's really living a comfortable life with his
great job, his family, his wealthy life is good. He's
got a lovely wife and daughter and he seems to

(01:43:20):
be this very conscientious and caring man, and he works
long hours and he travels a lot, and family is
really important to him. But of course this is David Baldocchi,
and i've also things are about to change. And first,
his estrange father dies and this brings this massive flood
of emotions and feelings about their relationship and the great
for time and the fact that they didn't make up
with their relationship. But then after the funeral, he's approached

(01:43:42):
by the FBI who want him to work with him
to bring down his employer, and he finds himself as
part of this COVID investigation into the workings of his
company and the divisions, and everything in his normal world
starts to be really out of control, particularly when the
person at the center of the scheme, it is investment company,
is somehow informed of the leak and the undercover working

(01:44:04):
with the FBI, and so what began kind of a
simple surveillance in helping out the FBI turns into survival
mode and things happen in his personal life and it's devastating,
and then things are revealed about him online, and life
as he knew it just disappears. And he has to
do things and train to do things that he had
never considered before. And it's a really character driven novel.

(01:44:26):
You see Nash struggling with his conscience and about revenge
and violence and that personal identity of his and the
book's full of suspense and intrigue that actually is so
good at and that initial mystery that unravels into this
complex web of betrayals and grudges and conspiracies that happen
at the highest level of powers. But Out is a

(01:44:46):
real expert in leading you with clues and reveals and
of course the odd red hearing, and just when you
think you've got it all figured out, something else happens
that changes the direction of the story and he keeps
you hooked, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
Oh so good, Okay, cool. So that's Nash Falls by
David Baldaji. Next up, A Short History of Nearly Everything
two point zero by Bill Bryce and another friend of
the show.

Speaker 31 (01:45:08):
Yes, and he's a best selling American British author, and
he's known for his really accessible nonfiction books and he's
written about everything about travel, science, and language. He I
think in nineteen ninety five he wrote Notes from a
Small Island which was all about Britain and the people,
and that really.

Speaker 8 (01:45:25):
Raised his profile.

Speaker 31 (01:45:26):
And then twenty years ago now he wrote The Short
History of Nearly Everything, and he decided actually that it
was really due for an update.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
You know.

Speaker 31 (01:45:35):
He sees himself that the whole problem with the book
is it's about science and trying to understand science and
everything that's happened since the Big Bang and civilization was
over twenty years ago, and there's so much that's changed,
and I was really amazed at how much that's changed.
And there's everything in there, the planet, the solar system,
the universe, and a history of how we've come to
know as much as we know about what we do.

(01:45:57):
And it's a book that focuses on science, but Bryson
makes it really entertaining and readable. And one of the
first chapters actually covers off how many moons have been
added in the last twenty years, and it turns out
that one hundred new moons have been discovered. Some of
them are just big rocks, but they orbit a planet,
so therefore it's a definition of a moon. And then
he moves on to topics like particle sub atomic particles

(01:46:18):
and continental drift at atomic structure and the extension of
the dinosaur and lots of other things. But he also
talks about the human side of it, like JBS Haldine,
who was responsible for discovering the genes for color blindness,
and an English moths expert, a guy called lenn Alice
from the British National History Museums. Here certainly finds people

(01:46:38):
that we don't know a lot about, and that human
interest on those scientists really keeps you entertained. And the
book is completely entertaining, and you'll really learn something about
science that you didn't know. And if you've read the
first one, you really need to read the second one
so you can see how much the world's changed, And yeah,
how much you know? How much we more we know
in twenty two years.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
Yeah, I think I absolutely loved the original Short History
of You. Nearly everything I remember, like lines from it
and the different characters that Bill Bryson was describing. I
think that was the first time I came across is
it Thomas Midgley, who is the guy in designed both
CFC's and leaded petrol am I right, but mas samwiched

(01:47:22):
to humankind in the modern era. Poor this poor invendor
was responsible for both of them. He didn't know obviously
inventing them intending to cause harm, but they both as
he ended up doing that. But he has a wonderful
way of just telling stories around science and around history
that really kind of just engage you, Right, even if
you don't think you're into history, you don't think you're

(01:47:44):
into science, He's got a real way of kind of
capturing you with those stories.

Speaker 31 (01:47:48):
He certainly does, and that narrative way that he tells
that you find yourself, you know. I mean, I don't
know a lot about sub atomic particles, but I know
more now, and yeah, it's just it's it's an intriguing
way that he writes it, and yeah, really interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
I think he's probably also one of the few writers
whom I could quote, like a few modern writers whom
I could quote. Was that the first line of the
Lost Continent is I came from des Moines. Somebody had to. Yeah,
it's just such a good lie. Yeah, immediately your caught anyway,
It's just to be totally clear, is a short history
of nearly everything too? Is that a sequel to the

(01:48:23):
first one or is it more as things have been updated.
He's kind of revamped the book a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:48:30):
Oh, it feels really updated.

Speaker 31 (01:48:33):
I've seen him, heard him talk about things, and he said,
you know, he started to sit down and read it
and realized, like in the first you know, chapter or so,
that's so much had changed. So he talks about some
of the same things. But yeah, you know, he really
talks about how much it's changed, and you know, what's happened,
and he adds some kind of other people and more
characters into it, so you don't I don't feel like
I'm reading a repeat of what happened in the first one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
Yeah, I feel like I'm reading quite a new book. Yeah, okay, okay,
that's really good. I think we had him on when
he released his Guide to the Body and he and
I end up speaking for about nine minutes about breast
milk as you So anyway, that sounds that sounds amazing,
sounds really good. Both of those books are a bit
of me. We've had nesh falls already, but a short
history of nearly everything two boy No sound spectacular as well.

(01:49:16):
Thank you, Catherine. Both of those books will be up
on the news talks He'd be website sixteen to twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
Giving the inside scoop on All You Need to Know
Saturday Morning with Jack dam News Talks.

Speaker 30 (01:49:29):
It'd be the team to twelve on News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
He'd be that super girl by Garbage. Don't read into
the title Chris Chris Shultz's music review with Us this morning.
So five years ago, let's talk to this story. Five
years ago, you're on the show. It was the middle
of COVID. You were dialing in from home. Tell us
what happened?

Speaker 26 (01:50:10):
Right, come into the studio like this. We were allowed to, Yeah,
we had to dial in.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
It was lockdown.

Speaker 26 (01:50:15):
You couldn't leave home. So, yeah, we were talking about
a Charlie XX album that had come out. It was
a Lockdown album. She'd made it at home in her
bedroom in LA and it was all about lockdown and
we were talking about it. And then you said to me,
what's going to happen next with music? Where's this gonna go?
How is COVID going to affect the music trends? And I,

(01:50:36):
off the top of my head just blurted out comfort music, nostalgia.
We're gonna want music that reminds us of happier times.
And so here we are five years later, we are
in the middle of a nostalgia boom unlike any other
Metallicas just played to fifty odd thousand people at Eden Park.

(01:50:57):
Lenny Kravitz just filled Spark Arena tonight, Tool play the
first of two shows at Spark Arena that sold out.
The Pixie start tomorrow night. They're in town for four shows,
most of those are sold out. On top of that,
Garbage are playing in December. I could name the acts
like that have just announced. Shows like Pulp are coming back,

(01:51:19):
Deep Tones just announced to show these nineties acts are reforming,
that they're they're out on tour. They're playing bigger venues
than they ever have before, En.

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
Mass Oasis, ac DC in Australia, like they're just the
Tic tic Tech Tic Tech right.

Speaker 26 (01:51:34):
It's it's pretty crazy to think about how big and
how fast this happened. It's it's it's it's kind of unprecedented.
I do feel for younger acts who can't get a
looking at the moment. Yes, is the biggest trend in
music right now. It's nostalgia and promoters are out there.
They're pushing other acts to reform because there's money to
be made.

Speaker 14 (01:51:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
See, this is the thing. I wonder if part of
this has also been driven by the streaming music age,
in that we know that artists who are putting their
music up on Spotify getting like thousands of sense the
dollar or whatever it is that they're getting. They're not
making money out of recording and selling the actual music
in the same way that they did pre streaming, right,

(01:52:16):
And so the way that they make a lot of
money is by touring, and it's by doing big shows and.

Speaker 26 (01:52:21):
By selling a lot of expensive merd.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
Exactly exactly, and so from the artist's perspective as well,
so from the audience partiful everyone loves, you know, listening
to the music you listened to when you were twenty
three or whatever. But actually from an artist's perspective as well,
being like, well, if we go and just do the
music we already know. We don't have to write new stuff.
We don't have to go and record new stuff. We
just you know, have a couple of practicestions. Get the
show nice and tight, take it on the ride, and

(01:52:44):
way you go.

Speaker 26 (01:52:44):
I would counter that with that those big stadium shows
are not easy shows. No, this is true that you know,
Metallica played a thrash metal set, old school eighties thrash
metal most of it, and that is incredibly hard to play,
especially when you're in your sixties. I'd point to Oasis like, yeah,
they played their first two albums. That was probably a
little easier. But yeah, I think it's still a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
I mean when you're doing for some of these big groups,
doing night after night after night after night, you.

Speaker 26 (01:53:11):
Know, in your sixties. Yeah, but the money is there.
I mean you saw it at the Metallica pop up
store downtown. The queues were around the block. They were
selling ninety dollars posters, one hundred and sixty dollars single,
it's five hundred and fifty dollars, cooler bags. It was
wild and people were how much like a twenty dollar
picnic hamper with chilled lining was five hundred and fifty

(01:53:33):
dollars with Metallica branded on it. I'm not joking, that's
that's real.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
But people buying it.

Speaker 26 (01:53:38):
Yeah, skateboard decks, there was books, there were board games.
There were a simple single canned beer.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Yea cooler was I.

Speaker 26 (01:53:48):
Think the sixty dollars, oh my god, And people were
walking out with boxes and stuff. So the money's there.
I think you know you're going to see a little
bit more of this. There are acts that haven't reformed
or haven't toured in a while, and the money will
be there. I'm talking about Eminem, I'm talking about the
White Stripes who just got inducted in the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame, getting me and Jack Wipe back together.

(01:54:08):
For sure. The spy skills haven't been on the road.
Imagine a spy skills to it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
But it's always just well, posh spice do it right.
But I mean, the money's on the table.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Is that.

Speaker 26 (01:54:18):
I also think though there's a younger group of artists,
they're sitting there there waiting to take over from these guys.
This has a time limit on it, right This is
a very particular moment in time where everyone wants this
comfort music post covid. I think there are acts like
Lord and Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie XCX that are just
sitting there. They're building up their own nostalgia right now.

(01:54:40):
I think they're in that kind of future nostalgia era,
if you like, and that's hopefully they'll they'll sweep the
metallicas and the oasises out of the end. They'll be
filling stadiums I reckon pretty soon.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
Actually, yeah, like sooner than we think. They won't have
to wait twenty years kind of. Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:54:56):
Hopefully we don't have to go through another pandemic and
I don't have to call in from my bedroom a gym.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Yes, well, look you were right the first time, so
great call on that front. And look if emin M
or a couple of those other groups were to come
and do a tour, I would be very pleased. Indeed,
so yeap that have you know, willing Sello, willing buyer.
Thank you so much, Chris, Thank you Chris. Chris Shultz
a music reviewer. Of course you can find him on substack.
His substack is boiler Room. It's eight to twelve on

(01:55:25):
News Talks hed.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
B cracking way to sketch your Saturday Saturday morning with
Jacktam News Talks B.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
Right, what do you got to have in your diary? Okay?
Ten plus four Tomorrow morning is the All Blacks final
test of twenty twenty five against the Welsh and Cardiff.
Of course we'll have the call on News talks ed
Be Alive this afternoon. Jason Pine will be counting down
to that as well as the second day of the
first Ashes Tessa and both them on the show. How
good For everything from our show, you can go to

(01:55:57):
news Talks HEDB, dot co dot M, zed Ford slash Jack.
Thanks to my wonderful producers this week, Libby and Kerrie
for doing all the tough stuff. I'm going to be
back Saturday morning from ten. Until then, in the spirit
of nineties nostalgia, We're going to leave you with the
death Tones. This is change in the House of Lies.
See you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
Crown Cold.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
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