Full Show Podcast: 06 December 2025

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(01:48):
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going to be with us after ten o'clock this morning.
Looking forward to that. Right now, it is eight minutes
past nine, Jack dam The moment the syllable us spilled
from my mouth, I knew I'd screwed up and a

(02:12):
repeat offender, I said, verse a detective dog. Verse. It
was the opening few stanzas of last night's one News,
the part of the show where we tease a few
of the evening's top stories. And as the opening credits played,
with my microphone fader pulled down, I called out to

(02:32):
my producer in frustration with myself verse, I said, versus versus.
The emails flooded in. I knew they'd be waiting for
me just as soon as the bulletin finished, polite but
gently critical messages kindly informing me that, due to myriad
inadequacies in the New Zealand education system, I had used

(02:54):
a term more appropriately associated with Shakespeare or Keats than
that of the cunning pest control dog starring in the
evening bulletin. There is a difference between verse and verses.
But hey, did you notice there how I used myriad.
I don't know about you, but it drives me crazy

(03:17):
when I hear people talk about a myriad of something
and it shouldn't. It really shouldn't, because apparently a myriad
of is actually perfectly correct. Myriad started its English language
life in noun form, and yet any time someone opts
for myriad of instead of the adjective usage, the snooty

(03:40):
language snob in me can't help but curl his toes.
It's the same. Unfortunately, when people say less instead of fewer,
there are not less than thirty days until the new year.
There are fewer than thirty days, duh. And I hate
to admit it, but I'm not fussed whether you are
a stranger, a colleague, or my long suffering wife. I

(04:04):
am that miserable sod who can't help but wait fewer
than a few split seconds before pretentiously correcting your mistake.
The other one that really gets my goat, and yes
it gets my goat, it doesn't get up my goat
is when anyone observes that the proof is in the pudding.
The proof is not in the pudding. The proof of

(04:25):
the pudding is in the eating. Makes sense when you
actually think about it, doesn't it. Speaking of mastication, my
dad was recently spun into a state by the repeated
insistence of a prominent sports person that they were chomping
at the bit for an upcoming contest. Chomping at the
bit rather than champing at the bit. I suppose that

(04:47):
really would be a remarkable level of excitement. Look, I
know that language is alive, right, I know that language
morphs and evolves. But for those of us who care
to conserve usage principles and don't mind putting others right
from time to time, there is nothing like erring while
reading the news before seven hundred thousand people for a

(05:10):
rude taste of one's own medicine. How quickly the corrector
becomes the correctid. Myriad grammar and usage errors might get
my goat, but I've learned the hard way. There are
plenty of other grammar and usage tyrants out there positively
champing at the bit to correct every error. Who knows

(05:34):
if my cautionary tale will have any impact. The proof
of the pudding is in the eating. But if you
have learnt anything, maybe you will make fewer errors rather
than less after listening to this verse verse, you know,
as opposed to versus Jack. Team ninety two is our
text number if you want to send us a message

(05:55):
this morning, Jacket Newstalks, dB dot co dot Z. Yes,
I'm curmudgeonly and I own it. I would love to
hear from you this morning. Speaking of language errors, I've
just got off watching the FIFA World Cup draw, which,
my goodness was an experience. I mean FIFA, honestly, they

(06:15):
just they are so brazen about the grift, right, They're
just so brazen about they just lean into being this
kind of satirical organization. Honestly, if you wrote this morning's
World Cup draw as a satire, people would say that's
too much. You got to you gott to tone it down.

(06:36):
So a couple of examples. First of all, they presented
Donald Trump with the first ever FIFA Peace Prize, which
he said was one of the greatest, one of the
greatest acknowledgments or most meaningful things that he had received
in his entire life. As well as that, we had
various sporting stars excruciatingly presenting the lamest of jokes over

(07:01):
a couple of hours. I think Heidi Klum was on
stage at one point with Rio Ferdinand and Shaquillo. New
Wayne Gretzky, the ice hockey great was pulling out the
draw names for New Zealand's, for New Zealand's you know
pool And you would think if you were doing a
job like that, you have a quick browse through the
countries that you're going to be pulling out right the

(07:22):
potential countries. So when Wayne pulled out North Macedonia, he said,
he said North Macedonia, which was which was good? Curasao,
I think he said krak Oo. So look, it's a
it's a sport for everyone, and this morning was an experience,
to say the least. We're going to get us for
those thoughts on the All Whites versus Egypt, versus Iran

(07:44):
and Belgium, the next year's World Cup, and I think
they're expecting to announce the match schedule in the next
couple of days. Right now, it's fourteen minutes past nine.
Kevin Memon will kick us off for our Saturday Morning
next It's Saturday Morning. I'm Jack Day. This is news
Talk Zed be.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Team News Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Jack, did you just give us one verse this morning
versus multiple verses? Bravo, Jack, You've made the sixty three
year old woman not feel quite so old as she
rails against the decline and language standards and usage.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I now have hope again that standards may not be
at risk of completely disappearing. So funny Jack, Love it.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
I always though it was rearing to go, as in
a horse rearing, rather than the rearing I hear. Now, Look,
there are so many examples, right, so those are just
the ones, the ones that get me going, that get
my goat. I'm sure you've got a few examples as well,
so by all means, send them through an only two
ninety two is the text number. Jacket News TV dot
co dot NZ. Kevin Melner is with us this morning.

(08:48):
More in a Kevin, what.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
In a jack are we going to talk about Christ's College?

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I think we should leave it, don't you think, Kevin?
I think we should leave. Well, they've been in the
news enough this week. I think we can leave them.
Leave them be, I think.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
But I think there's a lesson though, wasn't there? If
if you're going to get involved in that kind of
thing and make a national issue, make sure that the
that the offending words don't suddenly become part of a
whole national.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Diction. What's the word national conversation? Conversation?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yes, yes, I thought to the whole thing. Actually I
did think, well this is I now had all of
these people saying to me, you're from christ Church. What
does this mean?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Said, yeah, we probably don't need to go.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
There, but no idea?

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yes, yes, yes, did you used to get corrected when
you're on for your going from time to time? You
probably never made any usage.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
My memory was one day reading the lunchtime news on
national television, and I'd always up to that moment thought
that the alternative spelling for jail was which was g
A O L was pronounced goal, and so I I

(10:07):
read a line that said something like so and so
was sent to gold for ten years. It was a
long time to spend on the gold Mouth.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's an awful, awfully long time to spend in the
gold Mouth.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, and of course you got back to the newsroom
and everybody's cheering and.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Taking the mac and it was awful. Really, Yeah, you
just have to It's a terrible.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Place to find out. It's a live TV to such
a huge audience. It's a terrible way to find out
that you've been is pronouncing a word.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Well except that, except that when you are an insufferable
curmudgeon like me, who's who never holds back and correcting
everyone else, then from time to time it's probably a
little bit of usage justice just to come in and
see your email and box full of people saying Jack,
it's versus not verse. I knew it as well. That
was a frustrating thing. But anyway, Kevin, we digress. Hey, Kevin,

(11:03):
you you want to talk about changing drinking habits this morning.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
I was impressed to hear on Thursday that New Zealand
Alisa King has secured a big deal selling her AF
drinks that's alcohol free canned cocktails throughout the UK. These
drinks mimic the taste of classic cocktails, but without using alcohol.

(11:26):
Here's a woman who started af drinks at her home
as a COVID lockdown project just five years ago. Five
years then launched successfully into the huge US market. Her
Can Drinks are now in forty one states across America.
So she's just announced she's now launching through Morrison's supermarkets

(11:50):
and convenience stores in Britain right through the UK.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
What I especially like about this, though, is.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Breaking into what's an expanding no alcohol, low alcohol market,
especially among young drinkers. As King says, this isn't about sobriety,
It's about moderation and I love this from her. A
new wave of mindful drinkers is redefining what it means

(12:17):
to be social, sophisticated and in control. Didn't that sound cool?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Jack? What do you reckon? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah it does. Yeah, I think it sounds great.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think if there's a new generation of drinkers coming
through who just don't want to drink till they fall over,
this is wonderful.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
According to Statistics New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
The volume of alcohol and beverages available in New Zealand,
the volume of alcohol is going down In other words,
New Zealanders are saying, yes, I still want to drink,
but I don't want so much alcohol in it.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
I remember when no.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Alcohol be is first appeared in ousive markets. I talked
on the show about how tasty some of them were.
I hoped drinkers were given them a try.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, now none of the.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Pubs that I go into are without them, So let's
make sure we've got some loaves or nose in our
fridges over Christmas for guests who want to be social,
sophisticated and in control.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, well, said Kevin. It is a really interesting trend,
and it's actually been led by younger people, which is
the most intriguing thing about the whole kind of shift really.
And I think, so I'm a sort of I'm a millennial, right,
so I'm thirty eight at the moment, and you know,
I honestly I reckon I wouldn't have had I would

(13:46):
have had an absolute maximum of three drinks in a night,
and I wouldn't. I wouldn't have exceeded that for probably
ten or fifteen years maximum, whereas I think the generations
have gone before me would have had more. The truth is,
personally speaking, I just never. I enjoy a drink from
time to time, but I never want to feel bad

(14:07):
the next day, and I don't ever want to do
anything that imperils my sleep. So but but I think,
I think for for some younger people and gen Z,
it's you know, it's even more pronounced. And you know,
I look at my wife, for example, who doesn't doesn't
drink at all, and she loves all of the non
alcoholic options because they're a bit more sophisticated than just
your lolly waters. You know.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd never had an af AF drink.
And then after I've heard this news, I happened to
be have my head and my my beer fridge out
in the garage and there were a couple of cans
of AF drinks obviously that my daughter I had in
that so that was interesting. They were they were a

(14:47):
flavor I wasn't all that keen on. But they had
ginger in them, which I wasn't so sure about. I
think it might have been whiskey.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
And it's very good.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Oh it's a good's. It is amazing. It is very
much a trend at the moment. Kevin, Thank you, sir.
We'll catch again very soon. And thank you so much
for all your messages. Gosh, we've had so many texts, Jack,
life is too easy of these language things and all you.
I don't know about that nice opening gambit this morning, Jack,
that was an excellent piece of writing, a great lesson
in the English language. Jack, you are the same as

(15:19):
most no at alls I meet, often correcting us all
But then, honestly I'm no different as my Scottish terminology
so often breaches grammar tense basic guides around the English language. Yeah, look,
how are You're not the only one there. I think
there are lots of us who many of us who
enjoy or who don't hesitate to correct others, but then

(15:42):
get a little bit frustrated when we get corrected ourselves. Jack.
As a fellow corrector, I'm continually annoyed by the misuse
of the word utilize. One uses some for its intended
purpose and utilizes something for its unintended purpose. That's a
good one. Oh, here's a classic, Sue says amount and number.
I think people use amount to sound more intelligent, but

(16:05):
it conveys the opposite. So I feel you on that
one ninety two ninety two. I'll get to worre you
text in a couple of minutes like I say, we
have heaps twenty five past.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News Talks EF.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I'm just loving this, honestly, the number of excellent examples
that are being sent through this morning. Jack very amusing
this morning. I absolutely agree with you. It's so good
to have a youngster correctly correcting incorrect English usage. Somethink
and nothing make me cringe. Yeah, I'm with you on
that one. Barbara somethink and nothin. Jack says, Gilly, I

(16:44):
know it's get my goat, but I started saying gets
up my goat after Kath and Kim said it on
their show. Makes me laugh, and Sheila and Timadou says,
my language bug bugbear is the use of less when
the word required is fewer, thus there were less people
there wrong. Less denotes a singular word, so less money,
but fewer coins. Fewer denotes a plural. Ah. So many

(17:06):
people seem to get this wrong. Yeah, I'm with you.
She is very frustrating. And look, I'm glad that there
are so many correctors out there because we are all
uniting this morning, it's just coming up to nine thirty
on news books, he'd but if you were just turning
on the radio. We've had the FIFA at World Cup
draw for next year's competition, so the All Whites are
going to be facing off against Iran, Egypt and Belgium.

(17:27):
Our sporto Andrew Saville has no doubt been watching the
festivities in Washington, DC this morning and say, have you
ever seen a show like that.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
Compared to the rugby compared to Rugby World Cup drawer,
which was the Rugby World Cup draw was four people
in a TV studio in Sydney. Doesn't it sum up
the difference or the distance between a football World Cup? Yeah,
and a Rugby World Cup is still a massive gulf
and an interest in money. FIFA has a lot of that,

(17:59):
right so they can put on shows like this. But yeah,
quite quite quite amazing, really a little over the top,
but it's a pretty good draw for the Whites.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Belgium.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
It would be a massive, massive shock if they upset Belgium.
But Egypt and Iran, yeah, they higher ranked teams than
New Zealand. Most of the sides are at the World Cup,
but you'd still back them to give Egypt and Iran
a run for their money.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
So I think that's a pretty good draw.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
It just it sort of feels like it could be
a draw where we might fly under the radar a
little bit, you know. And there were a couple of
moments there when they were going through and Wayne Gretzky
was making his way through the various you know, the
various balls and the bowl as he was calling out
the names and our and our group, and I thought,
oh no, are we going to Are we going to

(18:47):
be playing Argentina first? Oh my goodness, yeah? And I thought,
oh no, are we going to be playing Croatia? Is
that going to be our first game? And just imagine
some of the divided loyalties, you know, for all Whites Croatia.
But now I think all things being said, it's it's
pretty good.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
Yeah, they play they play Iran June for fifteen, Egypt
six days later, and then Belgium five days later, so
at least they get Belgium at the end, right, Yeah,
after a couple of other games, I think the all
whites team Jack. Look, we've got a lot of footballs
around the world playing in pretty good leagues now. Obviously,
Chris Wood at the top of that. But so I'd

(19:24):
expect this all whites team to do reasonably well, you
know that the lot of experienced players and the team
now mixed in with some youngsters. But no, I'd expect
them to do okay.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too. Like you said, the
Rugby World Cup draws that doesn't have quite the fan fare.
Just just confirmed to me. Did did did World Rugby
decide to hand out the first ever World Rugby Peace
Prize to any heads of state? Or was that just
the morning?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I think so.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
No, I don't think Elbow got anything the other day
or the other night in Sydney. That was that was
That was weird. I was told that, you know that
there was a Club World Cup in America?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Was it last year? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (20:05):
And Donald Trump said, oh, I like the look of
that traphy.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
So he kept it right.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
Yeah, had to make another one quickly to give to
the winner, and then he wouldn't get off the stage
right anyway, A little.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Bit different with the Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
It's just a weird, very bizarre draw. I think they've
cocked it up, putting New Zealand and South Africa on
the same side of the drawer the world's number one
and two teams at the moment, and I know they've
tried to.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Do the draw earlier than.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
What they've done in the past, but I just I
don't think it's worked. You've got England, Ireland, Scotland on
one side, then in New Zealand and South Africa.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
On the other.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
It's very, very tricky now for the All Blacks. If
it wasn't before trying to win the next World Cup,
it just got a whole lot harder, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Could face South Africa in the quarters.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yes, yeah, that's going to be tricky. Yeah. So two
enthralling Test match cricket games on at the moment, the
Ashes in Australia and the black Caps West Indies. We
were saying last night on the news that oh, well,
you know, the black Caps are kind of marching to victory.
I feel like there was a little bit premature. I mean,
I think we are certainly in a commanding position at

(21:19):
Hagley Oval.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, I need six wickets six wickets today and the
Windys need three hundred odd runs.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yes it would be yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, that would be.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
Shay Hope would need to get a double ton at least,
he's on just over one hundred at the moment. But however,
the tricky situation for the black Caps is are down
too fast. Bowlers Matt Henry and Nathan Smith are both injured,
so they're relying on just two bowlers, basically two frontline
bowlers to get those six wickets today with a few
with a few part timers. So there's a there will

(21:53):
be a fair amount of intrigue at Hagley Oble today
to see if they can knock off those six West
Indian wickets. And across the Tasman seams have calmed down,
haven't they calmed down completely? We're looking at a proper
Test match England three hundred odd. Australia ever already reached
that target and with a few wickets to Spears, so

(22:14):
we're seeing a bit more of a normal Test match
at the Gabber thankfully.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, oh here you go. The Rugby Peace Prize went
to Ittsabeth. Yes, very droll, all right, he will keep moving,
Thank you so much, sir. Catch again very soon, our
Sporto Andrew Saville with his take on two big drawers
for two upcoming tournaments. Jack a couple of my own
Bete noirs this morning, says Ana. The proof is in

(22:38):
the pudding. Yes, I'm with you on that. No it's not.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. And
here's a good one. It's when people say, oh, he
or she is just eighteen years of age. No he's not,
says Ana. He's eighteen years old. Jack says Debbie. My
bug beer is when people say would have instead of
would have? Yes, that's good. Jones says. When people ask

(23:00):
what was your name? When you're standing alive talking to them,
they speak in the past tense, what was your name? No,
what is your name? Yeah, that's that's fair enough. And
here you go, Jack. You shouldn't be too high and
mighty when it comes to talking about grammar. This morning,
I heard you on the news last night say verse
instead of versus. That's what inspired this whole thing. Twenty

(23:20):
five to ten, The clouds cheered this, No clouds, you kidding?

Speaker 8 (23:41):
Let's know.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
That is Alex Warren and Ordinary. That song has just
topped Spotify's list for the most streamed tracks in New
Zealand this year. Lab top the local list with their
song in the Air not bad a. I don't think
I would have picked ordinary actually as being the number
one stream song. But there you go. I'm always about
three years behind the behind the times when it comes
to what's calling the music front. Anyway, twenty time to

(24:07):
get your film picks for this weekend. Francesca Rudkin, our
movie reviewer, is here with her two picks this weekend.
Hey Francesca, good morning. Let's begin with a movie showing
in cinemas. This is Eternity. You passed away, Larry, Who
are Anna?

Speaker 9 (24:26):
I'm your after life coordinato.

Speaker 10 (24:28):
That's not a job.

Speaker 11 (24:30):
And this is the junction where you choose one place
to spend eternity and who to spend it?

Speaker 10 (24:36):
Well, John, John, you Dad?

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Oh okay, tell us about Eternity.

Speaker 8 (24:45):
This is just such a fun film. I love the premise.
I think romantic comedies fell into a little bit of
a trap of becoming these kind of cookie cut of
films and they were all sort of the same and
we judged, you know, a romantic comedy on whether it
was as good as the last one we saw. And
what we've been seeing a little bit recently is some
really great directors going. Actually, there's so much more to

(25:08):
this genre and we can have so much more fun
with it, and we can also have some quite good discussions,
you know, within a romantic comedy. And this film Eternity
is by the director David Freen and he found it
on Blacklist and Blacklist jack is you probably know. It's
kind of an annual list of the best unsold new screenplays.

(25:28):
They're available in Hollywood, So these are the screenplays that
haven't been picked up by a studio or an independent
studio and things and people go on and they find
them and then you kind of bid for them and
you try and get the rights to them. And David
just loved the story, and I can completely see why.
It's just this really original premise. He's cast it beautifully,
got great performances.

Speaker 12 (25:48):
It's full of whitch.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
It's got some epic love stories as well, and a
little bit of an existential crisis. But it's this nice
mix of both fun and light but as well as
being sort of moving and a little bit different, so
it remains a bit more memorable. So basic, when you die,
you go to a transferred junket in a way, you die,

(26:11):
you wake up on a train, You get to this
massive train station, you get to the center and your
house there for seven days while you decide where you
were going to spend eternity. And it's very cleverly done.
It's like a whole lot of hotels. Then in the
middle it's like a conferences. Everyone's got their booths trying
to sell you on their worlds. You know, there's Beach

(26:32):
World or Bromance World or Studio fifty four World or
anything goes eternity. If you need a safe word, it's
got amusing the men Free World, but that was already
booked up. You could go to Paris in the thirties.
You could go to Germany in the thirties, but it's
before the Nazis. There are no Nazis. So they created
all these worlds that you might want to go and
spend eternity in. And you've got seven days to choose.
And when you turn up to this junction, this center,

(26:58):
you arrive as you were at your most happiest. So
our two characters Hi Larry and Jane in their nineties.
Larry dies suddenly he ends up at the junction. He
knows Joan's really sick and that she's going to arrive soon,
so he gets a job and hangs around instead of
choosing an eternity waits for her she arrives. Now they

(27:19):
both arrived sort of young when they met, so they're
played by Elizabeth Olsen and Miles Taller. But what and
Miles Taller who is Larry. He's waiting for his wife,
Joan to come. They've had sixty five years together, they've
raised kids. Of course they're going to spend a two together.
But this plan has done into a little bit of
disarray because also waiting at the junction is Joan's first fiance,

(27:44):
who died in a war sixty years ago, and he
has been waiting for her. So all of a sudden,
she has to make this decision. Do I spend eternity
with this man that I didn't get to live a
life with but we had this beautiful young romance that
I didn't get to experience life with. Do I live
that with him? Or do I go with the man

(28:04):
that I've been with the sixty plus o years and
we've raised a family. And I kicked And that's the
premise of this film. I watched this film about a
week and a half ago, and I still cannot pick
what eternity I would go and live in. You can't
change Eternity, so you get stuck in it. If you
try and escape, you end up in a black void.
So it's just delightful. There's there's lots to ponder. It

(28:24):
gets very moving. My only complaint with this film, Jack,
is they just didn't quite know how to wrap it up.
I don't have an issue with how it ended, how
the story ended. It just dragged too long and I
was like, no, no, come on, guys, this is this
is this is beautiful, this is great. This has been
such fun, but we're dragging this out now and we
need to wrap it up. So that would be my
only complaint. But if you like something a bit different

(28:47):
and great performances by everybody.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, okay, cool. So that's Eternity that's showing in cinemas.
Next up, also showing in cinemas, a documentary.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
This is Twiggy, something that we had not ever seen.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Before, and her name came like a lightning Twiggy.

Speaker 9 (29:04):
Trig Twiggy tweet, Oh.

Speaker 10 (29:06):
My god, David bote To say, light name.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Okay, as the name suggests, this is a documentary about Twiggy.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
Yes, it is a very warm, celebratory documentary. I learned
a lot about Twiggy. It doesn't matter how old you are.
Everybody knows that she was this massive fashion disruptor, this
model that changed the face of fashion, became world famous
literally in about three to six weeks. It's a great story.
What I didn't know was that she then went on
to do musical film and TV shows and all sorts

(29:45):
of things, and it's had this incredible career and the
attitude that she brings to it is just delightful. She
didn't really plan any of it. She wasn't hugely ambitious.
She just kind of took opportunities, worked really hard, took
everything in her stride. Nothing was a problem. Like It's
just it's just really refreshing watching this film, and I
learned an awful lot about her as well. It's a

(30:05):
film by Sadie Frost has put this documentary together.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Excellent. Okay, cool. So that's Twiggy that's in cinemas. Francisca's
first film is Eternity that's also showing at the movies
And we'll put all of the details for those films
up at newstalgzb dot co dot NZ. Write a few
quick examples for you, Ashley says, people who say expresso
martini rather than espresso yep.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
The thing that really grinds my gears is people who
say says as opposed to says yeah. That really gets
me going as well, women instead of women, or women
instead of women. People who don't understand the difference between
women singular and women plural. And ah, this is really
one that honestly, Joanes sent about four examples this morning,

(30:50):
and I think she's been on point with every single one.
Another one, Jack is the word unique. People use this
with an adjective adjective preceding it, which is so frustrating.
For example, she's very unique, she's stunning unique. No unique
is unique? You hear it all the time, says Joan.

(31:12):
You do too, Gord to tend on news talks, he'd
be our cook is the next with her pistachio and
cranberry biscotti, edible gift idea just in time for the
big day.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US talks 'b.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Don't forget after ten o'clock this morning if you're just
feeling like a weekend on the couch. No drama, no
judgment here. This is a judgment free zone, except for
when it comes to language and usage. After ten, we've
got our screen time segment where we recommend three shows
for watching or streaming at home. We're going to take
a look at this incredible new deal between Warner Brothers
and Netflix as well. Right now, though it is twelve

(31:50):
minutes to ten, our cook, Nikki Wicks, is in Mordina Moderna.

Speaker 13 (31:55):
My pet peeves are things like more better? Oh yeah,
there's no more better.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
No, I mean that's okay, more better.

Speaker 13 (32:03):
The other one is harassment is harassment. It's not harassment.
You get that man's name out of there. It's not
harrismond you know what the errors harassment?

Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, is that anyway it's the most happiest. I mean,
that's that. That's not the most happiest anyway.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I don't know it's anyway.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
There are lots of examples. I know this morning. I
actually think it's a very dangerous, very dangerous game to
begin a show. I've only thought about this now, but
to begin the show with all of this judgment, knowing
that I've got to get through three hours where every
single sentence is going to be scrutinized.

Speaker 13 (32:38):
Hey, well, let's turn a corner with Charistmas joy festivities.
So this is the first of I think that our
Christmas specials, we might do Christmas food for the rest
of this year. I mean, hey, because we've got to
got a lot of things to get through. But I
love this idea of giving edible gifts. You know, they're useful,
they're practical, they're not buying into that kind of over

(33:00):
consumerism jack, which I love. And also this is a
bit of a judgment call. But you've got people who
you buy serious presents for, like big presents, you spend
a bit of money possibly, and then there's lots of
people that you want to say thank you to. So
for me, it's the guy that mows my lawns all year.
I want to give him something. But I probably wouldn't
buy a gift for him, but I'll give him an

(33:21):
little edible gift, you know.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, And so people like that.

Speaker 10 (33:24):
I think it's good.

Speaker 13 (33:25):
I think it's fine friends, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Think it's a great idea. Like there's a classic bit
of thought as well. You're not just buying them some
of you know, no, and you can package.

Speaker 13 (33:35):
Them up nicely. So I've got a whole lot of ideas.
I'm going to run for a recipe for pistachio and
cranberry piscotti, but think things like preserved lemons, fruit paste,
Chutney's and sauer kraut, although I would say with a
lot of those you should have made those last month.
But anyway, there's plenty of other ideas that you can
kind of whip up, you know, this weekend, next weekend,
right up to Christmas. Shortbread, little flavored oils, scented salts

(33:58):
and sugars. Meringues are a really good one that you
can just wrap up. Spice nuts and if you look
on the z'db site and search on my name, you'll
find one year I did spice nuts for us.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
Dooker.

Speaker 13 (34:09):
A gingerbread loaf would be great, and this piscotti. So
when you get piscotti at a cafe, you also have
to book in for the dentist because it's so hard
and terrible. Okay, but homemade piscotti is brittle and crunchy,
but not hard and beautiful but still perfect for a
dunk and a coffee. So look, oven goes on one eighty.

(34:30):
I'm gonna have to rush through this, so I'm just
gonna kind of calmly go through it. Line a baking
tray with baking paper, big large bowl. You're gonna wisk
three medium sized eggs, half a cup of olive oil.
You could use, five tablespoons of butter if you like,
a good half a teaspoon of fresh orange zest or more.
And you're gonna whisk all of that together, and then

(34:51):
add in two and a quarter cups of plain flour
and one teaspoon of baking powder, half a teaspoon of salt,
and half a cup of sugar in there, so we've
got all the kind of basic elements. Stir that until
it's all kind of incorporated, and then I say, fold
in but an actual fact and half a cover of
brown sugar. Sorry, I've got half and half there. And
then we're going to fold through that about half a

(35:14):
cup of roasted almonds that I've roughly chopped, half a
cup of shelled pistachios. You get that lovely green in
there for Christmas, and then quarter it to a half
a cup of dried cranberriese. And again we're looking for
Christmas here. So red and green kind of really says
that mix that through your dough mixture. Divide the dough
and half jack and then place each half on a
line on that line tray, and then using sort of

(35:36):
you know, damp in your hands or your fingers, shape
it into a nice log shape out four centimeters will
probably about a thirty centimeter long log, and flatten it
slightly and bake it for thirty to thirty five minutes
until it's.

Speaker 10 (35:48):
Gold and brown.

Speaker 13 (35:49):
Should be hard on the outside, but have a little
bit of given the middle. Let it cool down completely,
and then with a really sharp serrated knife, slice it
on an angle into about thicknesses of about one point
five thick. Place those back on the tray and bake
them off again for another twelve to sixteen minutes. They
should be firm all the way through. Remember things firm

(36:11):
up even more when they're cooled, so you're going to
cool that. And there you've got your beautiful homemade for Scotty.
Place them, you know once they really called. Place them
in jars little boxes, Wrap them with a bit of ribbon,
put a little bit of rosemary on them, maybe some
bay leaves or something like that for a bit of
Christmas eve. Look, maybe clip your little pine pine Christmas tree.

(36:32):
But they're a really beautiful Christmas gift and people really
really love this sort of thing. And I love it
because you can make it now and it's still going
to be okay and a couple of because it's been
twice faked, it's still going to be okay in a
couple of weeks for Christmas.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
That was my question.

Speaker 13 (36:49):
Absolutely look strawed in an air air type container for
about a week even or a freeze it freeze fro
up to three months or more. So you know, any
is god.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
But yeah, I love you for this, all right, thank you.
We'll make sure that recipe is up at news Talks,
said b dot co dot. It does sound like a
really thoughtful and delicious little Christmas gift idea. Right now
it is seven to ten on news Talks. He'd be,
I think I found it. I think I found the
most egregious example of changing language and usage. I'll share

(37:19):
that within a couple of minutes, giving.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
You the inside scoop on All you need to Know
Saturday Morning with Jack dam News Talks.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
That'd be.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Alice Taylor was a contestant on Master Chef back in
the day, and in recent months she has had an
extraordinary period of growth on social media. So Alice, she
is kind of no frills recipes and she has like
really honest conversations about food accessibility, and her following on
social media has gone from a few tens of thousands

(37:53):
to more or I think almost four hundred thousand people
now almost four hundred thousand, and she's just a really
refreshing kind of voice in the New Zealand food community.
So she is our feature interview after ten o'clock this morning.
Really looking forward to catching up with her. I'm going
to to more of your examples after ten as well.
I really think we've kicked something off this morning. I
do Jack. People say me and Jack instead of saying
Jack and I. Yep, that's a punish jack. So many

(38:16):
people use brought when they mean borught, that's true, But
here's the one I think that gets under my skin
more than anything else. And this is debatable whether or
not it's even a usage era to be perfectly honest,
but every time I hear it, I just honestly, my
toes curl. I feel the hears on my back go up,
and not in a good way. Learnings. Learnings, ah ah,

(38:43):
we didn't take learnings. We took a lesson simple right learnings.
Totally unnecessary. Anyway, I'll get to more of your examples
after the news. It is almost ten o'clock at Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Tayman. There's his news talk z BE.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
It's cracking way to start his Saturday Saturday morning.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
With Jack Day News Talk zb.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
JODA, New Zealand with Jack Taime on Newsthooks. He'd be
through to midday today. Today's guest has changed the way
that thousands of Kiwis and honestly hundreds of thousands of
people all over the world are thinking about cooking at home.
You might know Alice Taylor from her days as a
contestant on Masterschef, or you may know her from the
social media phenomenon the empire that is Alice Taylor. Eats Alice.

(39:51):
She has no frills, recipes and has honest conversations around
food accessibility. And they have seen her following online skyrocket
to half a million people across her different social media channels.
She is a refreshing new voice in New Zealand's food community.
She's with us live in studio this morning. Killed a
good morning, Good morning. It is so good to see

(40:11):
you and thank you for coming in in person. Oh
thank you. So For people who don't know what Alice
Taylor eat actually is, can you give us the kind
of ethos.

Speaker 14 (40:20):
Well, it's pretty straightforward. We post cheap and realistic recipes.
We want to help people save money cooking your home,
give them tips and tricks, and ultimately also just make
them feel proud about what they're putting on the table,
because I think a lot of social media is about unrealistic.
So we also want to be a platform where people can,
you know, watch have a bit of fun, cook some

(40:41):
good food, and feel good about themselves.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
That is such a good point because so much of
social media is kind of aspirationally fake, right, Yeah, people
pretending to live these kind of perfect lives. But it's
almost like you have seen a bit of a slot,
not necessarily in the market, but you're connecting to, you know,
an issue that a lot of people can wrate to.

Speaker 10 (41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (41:00):
Absolutely, I think I always wanted to post on social media,
and even I was on Master Chef, you know, several
years ago, and I tried a bit to post, but
I just couldn't bring myself to do it because I
would look at all these other content creators and they'd
have perfect kitchens, crazy budgets, and I'd just think, oh no,
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (41:18):
But then around a year ago I realized, actually, I
would love to see something like that, and so I
posted a video and you know, immediately that kind of
took off and I could feel that people wanted to
see it too. So I think I did sort of
fit a gap in the market in a weird way.
But it was also just kind of by necessity. If
I was going to post, that was what I was

(41:39):
going to post because of my situation.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
It is authentic. That's the thing that actually has cut through.
People go, oh my gosh, Alice isn't actually pretending to
be anything. She isn't here, and she can because it's
stuff that you'd be interested in. People go, actually, that's
stuff I'm interested in as well.

Speaker 14 (41:52):
Exactly exactly. And I think there's just a need for
cheap and realistic recipes at the moment, especially, so I
think that people are finding the page really useful. I
hope they are at least.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
True, if the economy was absolutely gunning it right then
then it might be it might be a different story.
What was the recipe. That took off, well, the first video.

Speaker 14 (42:10):
The first video, it took off like a little bit.
But I mean for someone with seven thousand followers, you know,
to get one hundred comments on this video of people
saying keep going, that was so exciting for me, and
I think it got a couple of hundred thousand views.
That was just literally a leftover chicken roast chicken. It
was like half eat and it looked terrible. I made
some rice, I talked about wanting to post and my

(42:32):
reasons for not posting, and people just loved it, and
so that really, I'm so glad I posted that video.
It's the most important one I posted because I identified
that actually people wanted to see that content and I
kept going.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yeah, so talk to us a bit more about your
food journey. How did you get into cooking?

Speaker 14 (42:48):
Well, I mean I've always been obsessed with cooking. I've
been surrounded by really great cooks in my life, so yeah,
from a very young age, I was obsessed with cookbooks.
I remember reading them like as a kid instead of
picture books and stuff, which is a bit.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
Weird I think.

Speaker 14 (43:02):
And then when I was fifteen, I wrote my first
cookbook manuscript, was always my dream to do that, and
sort of kept cooking, got a couple of jobs, and
kept cooking throughout university when I was studying my masters,
and then eventually I had a food Instagram started there
I posted cakes and then Master Chef came back for

(43:22):
another season, first time in several years, and my dad
had texted me that there was auditions, so I got
on that and I came third, and then out of
that I became a chef, worked in some really big
kitchens like Camsfield, and then quit cheffing because I just
you know, wasn't for me, and try to sort of
find a way that I could incorporate food as well

(43:44):
as politics into my career. And this is now where
I'm at. So it's been a bit of a convoluted career,
but a cool one.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
No, that's so it's interesting that you that you tried
the chefing thing and that wasn't quite for you. Do
you see yourself as being like a cook as opposed
to a chief is a distinction.

Speaker 14 (43:59):
It's hard to say. I mean, I think I think
I'll always be a chef. You know, I trained as
a chef and I've worked in intense, serious kitchens and
the recipes that we developed, my partner and I together,
I don't think they would be anywhere near as good
if we didn't have that real proper training behind us. Yeah, right,
So I definitely think the chefing influences what I do.

(44:19):
I don't do chefing day to day, but it's always
a part of it. And I guess now I'm more
of a content creator chef, right, I'm not sure, but.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, like you said, well, it might
seem convoluted, but actually it's kind of a it's a
like modern digital information story, right that everyone relates to.
And you have had ridiculous success with this message and
working out that that one video had cut through that
has led to you know, half a million followers on

(44:50):
social media, So talk to us about that growth. Did
you see it coming?

Speaker 14 (44:55):
I don't know if I necessarily saw it coming, but
I was very determined to make it work. I just
I've always wanted to write recipes, write cookbooks, and sort
of we touch on a bit before the industry had changed,
the platforms had changed, and I was really, really really
determined to make it work. So I wasn't going to

(45:15):
stop until I had some success. Did I imagine that
it would grow to this size and this short amount
of time.

Speaker 13 (45:23):
No, I did not.

Speaker 14 (45:24):
I'm pretty pretty shocked by it. But I'm so excited
about it because it really has been a dream of
mine for yet ten years.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
And are they followers in New Zealand or are they
followers elsewhere?

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (45:35):
Well, I mean my biggest audience is New Zealand, and
I think, especially maybe six months ago, I had a big, big,
big majority Kiwi audience. Now that it's grown so much,
I'm getting a lot of American followers, a lot of
Australian followers, followers from Europe as well, so it's definitely expanding,
which is so exciting. And people send me their recipes

(45:56):
that they've made from Iceland and the craziest places. So
it's pretty cool that you are kind of a part
of people's kitchens and homes in an exciting way from
around the world.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
But I suppose affordable, delicious food is something that everyone
everywhere can relate to.

Speaker 14 (46:12):
Right, Yeah, I think it's it's super important at the moment, especially,
but I still think it's kind of timeless in some respects.
We all want to cook affordably in season, we all
need to cook, So I think that it's sort of
a universal thing.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Yeah, what is the life for someone who is creating
content for that many people and who has experienced that
kind of explosion and follow us? Like, what do you
have to do? How often do you have to post?

Speaker 14 (46:40):
Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty exciting and intense, and every
day kind of looks different. I used to do this
and have a full time job, which was very intense.
So now I've fortunately been able to just focus on this.
This is my full time job, and my partner and
I work together. So we'll film probably four days out
of the week, sometimes five. We'll do the ideation, we'll

(47:02):
create the recipes, will recipe, test, film, then we try
to go immediately into editing. We own like everything that
we do. We don't have an agent or a publisher
for our book or anything, so there's also a lot
of sort of behind the scenes stuff that's also you know,
business related. I had to register a company, which was
something else. So yeah, but it's been really exciting because

(47:25):
I've learned as I've gone, and I've got, you know,
amazing parents that are also very intelligent, and they've been
so helpful.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
So yeah, in guiding you. But it is a full
time job. I think this is something that is percpic
underappreciated by people sometimes. In order to be servicing all
of those followers and giving them fresh ideas and fresh
content all the time, you're really working hard.

Speaker 14 (47:47):
Oh yeah, And I think, especially for me, something I'm
really adamant on is trying to respond to as many
people as possible. So we have sections in the day
where I'll just be trying to reply to as many people,
and I think that's also been part of the success
that I've had, especially because I get a lot of
my ideas from the people that follow me, and I
can understand how they're fe what they want, what they

(48:07):
don't want. So also, I guess the customer service side
of it does take a lot of time, the bigger
and bigger it gets, but it's a very rewarding job.
It's just a different one.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Yeah, right, What do people ask you, like? How do
they inspire you?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Well?

Speaker 14 (48:21):
I mean, I get so much wonderful feedback and I
probably receive two hundred and three hundred photos of people's
cooking that they've done every day. I receive a lot
of requests for different dishes, and yeah, that's been so
much fun, and even just seeing what recipes take off,
what recipes are being recreated more than others. What are

(48:43):
people looking for at this time of the year. I'm
constantly trying to identify that and plan accordingly. So there's
a lot of strategy involved, but.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
We love it. It's such a great job. So obviously
you take inspiration for all sorts of different dishes in
different cuisines. Yes, But are there some foundational principles that
you think most of your recipes rely on when it
comes to the just affordable food?

Speaker 14 (49:07):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the construction of a recipe,
we would always consider a couple of things. The first
is the cost of the ingredients. We try to keep
that as low as possible, a few dollars at most
per person for each portion. And then we also try
to consider, because now we have an international audience, how
do we create opportunity to talk about adjusting for the seasons,

(49:30):
for dietary requirements, etc. And then we also try to
consider time because time is money, and I think a
lot of I guess I think one of the things
that we've done well is talk about cooking from scratch
but also with as little time as possible. So those
are the sort of the three things that we consider,
the international audience, the budget, and time, and then we'll

(49:50):
go into constructing a recipe. We've tried our best to
kind of provide as many staple recipes, foundational recipes, and
even if you look at our ebook, I would love
to count the number of ingredients, because I think it
would be very few. We use the same ingredients across
so many things, so I actually don't think that there's
many ingredients involved at all. And that's also a consideration

(50:11):
we've taken.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Can I be really pigheaded and off of you my
my tip? You seek my I have one little tip
in the kitchen, and that is that everyone should always
have a little bit of turizo in because a tiny
amount of turito will elevate almost any dish exactly. And
you can, honestly, you can go and you can have
a can of lean tools, two cloves of garlic, half

(50:33):
an onion, and you put a little bit of churiza
and they're just a tiny and it's just so much nicer.

Speaker 14 (50:38):
That's a brilliant tip.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
There.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
You go, fel free to use that. I'm not sure
it's necessarily going to keep all of your followers happy.
You mentioned the PDF, and this is I mean, this
in itself is a great idea. So instead of publishing
a big, really flashy, expensive cockbook, you've got this new PDF,
which is a way that people can share a new
different dishes and recipes tell us about it.

Speaker 14 (51:00):
Yeah, so we wanted to create a place for all
of the recipes to be all together because on Instagram
you're scrolling through it's a little bit complicated, right, And
we really wanted to make an ebook, but we wanted
to own it, especially because we wanted to control the price.
We wanted to keep it low, and so Orian and
I wrote it together. It's an ebook collection of some

(51:20):
of our best recipes, most popular ones, and we're only
selling it for twelve dollars twelve New Zealand dollars and
you can get it from wherever you are in the world,
download it, and of course if you want to, you
can gift it or print it off and gift a copy. So, yeah,
we loved writing that book. It was just such a
It felt like the right thing to do in the
right time, and people have just been loving it. So

(51:42):
we're so thrilled with how well it's gone.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yeah, it's such a good idea, and like you say,
you know, it's a great way for people to if
they're looking for a little thoughtful gift at Christmas something
like that. Exactly, it can be a little option. You
had that, Nigella, you call that your cake boocket. Yeah,
I was insane. Yes, tell us the story.

Speaker 14 (52:02):
Yeah, so this was my other book that I came
out with a few years ago. Yeah, exactly. And she
managed to get a copy through a mutual friend who's
just a wonderful human. And I didn't really expect anything
of it. I just knew that they were connected, and
I gave it to him and said, please, just if
you see her, please, she's my idol. And I woke

(52:25):
up one day and I saw Nigella Lawson had tagged
me in a post. I could not believe it. It
still doesn't feel real. And it was just so wonderful.
It was such a cool experience because I've cooked hundreds
of her recipes and I love her ethos around food.
She's unapologetic, she cooks really beautiful, simple recipes and makes

(52:48):
people wake. I think she gives a lot of people
confidence to have fun as well in the kitchen. So
it was such a compliment.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yeah, fantastic. Hey, congratulations allus. I yeah, it's amazing what
you have managed to achieve. And I just know that
so many people really really appreciate all of the advice
and recipes that you're sharing. So keep it up.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Yeah, good luck with it taking over the world, my goodness.
You can find Alice on social media of course, at
Alice Taylor Eats, or you can get her new ebook
at Alice Taylor eats dot com. We'll make sure that
link is up on the news talk z'b website as well.
Before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden. I'm talking less
appealing things, I'm afraid, but honestly, this is news you
can use. Rhode has his advice on getting rid of

(53:29):
mealybugs at your place. Plus Master Somelier has his wine
pick of the week. Right now, it's twenty one past tenn.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
On Your Weekend Off the Right Way Saturday Morning with
Jack dam NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Twenty four past ten on Newstalks ZEDB, which means it
is screen time time on Saturday morning. Carl Pushman is
here with three shows to recommend for watching or streaming
at home. This morning, Killer Carl, Good morning Jack. We're
going to begin this morning with a show on Netflix
tell Us about Sean Coombs The Reckoning.

Speaker 11 (54:02):
Now, this is the long awaited, shocking and quite damning
for documentary series on disgraced rapper Puff Daddy Sean Diddy
aka lots of various hip hop names, but we all
know how I'm talking about. His lawyers had fought to
get this taken down but were unsuccessful, and once you
start watching it, you'll see why they didn't want people
to watch this thing. It was produced by longtime rival

(54:24):
fifty cent, and there was speculation that would be an
over the top, tabloid style hit job, but it's not. Instead,
it's a deeply researched, highly credible, and quite uncompromising expose
on this disgraced rapper. Charts his rise to fame, how
he built his empire, and also the criminal, violent ways
that he kept it, and of course along with that

(54:45):
there is all the horrific sexual abuse allegations and that
kind of thing that he was also involved in. It
starts as his childhood and goes right through to the
present day, where he's currently serving fifty months in a
federal prison, and he's also got a whole range of
civil cases waiting for him when that had with all

(55:06):
these allegations, it's damning and horrific what that guy's been
up to. The documentary makers they interviewed an impressive number
of people from his life, you know, associates, former friends,
former enemies, journalists, business partners, gang members, entourage members, just
anyone who's had anything to do with this guy has
been spoken to. And many of these people have been

(55:27):
too scared to speak out before because he had such
power in the industry. You know, we often think of
puff Daddy as the joke rapper from the nineties, but
he was a serious, unpleasant person in a lot of ways,
and people were genuinely scared of this guy. The documentary
is filled with fascinating archival footage, loads of it previously unseen.

(55:49):
But what's also remarkable is that it's got daily video
footage from the week before he went to stand trial,
because he was trying to make a documentary that would
show his innocence and sway the court of public opinion
over to him, and this is in the documentary. So
it's just mind blowing. It's a hard hitting documentary. It's
a powerful watch. But by no means is it an

(56:11):
easy watch. But I think it's definitely worth everyone's time.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Sounds very interesting. Okay, that's Sean Combs The Reckoning. It's
on Netflix, on TV and Z plus twenty five years
of Location, Location Location.

Speaker 11 (56:22):
Yeah, let's pull the handbrake up and go from not
an easy watch to a totally breezy watch, you know.
Let's go back two thousand. The PlayStation two had just
come out. Britney Spears had just released Upside Did It Again,
which had gone to number one in our charts. In
a reality show called The Great House Hunt about two
property finders helping people by their dream home was about
to debut. Before it hit the screens, there was a

(56:43):
quick name change to Location Location Location because one of
the hosts frequently stumbled saying the Great House Hunt as
I almost am now, and you can see how that
could have quite an unfortunate rhyming skin going on there.
The rest, as they say, is history. It's been going
for twenty five years. Popularity has not declined whatsoever. It's
just such an easy to watch show and frequently fascinating

(57:05):
watching the various couples they have on their or person
whoever they've got trying to buy their dream home. They
take into three different properties try and convince them which
one is great, And it's just fascinating watching people justify
properties or dismissed properties based on not much more than
whims or vibes, which you know, a show house could

(57:25):
tick all the boxes, but they're just not feeling it,
which is what house hunting is like. And yeah, it's
a show that I never really went out of my
way to watch over its twenty five years, but I've
watched a lot of it because if it was on,
it was just so easy to watch.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Itead get sucked into the jury exactly, exactly.

Speaker 11 (57:42):
Yeah, but not so secret source of the show was
the chemistry between the two hosts, Kirsty and Phil, and
you know that's tried to be replicated. We've got a
local version which came out a few months ago and
they've tried to replicate that chemistry that's sort of like
jokey bantery antagonism, but it hasn't quite worked as well.
So they're not so secret source behind the show. But
it's just a breezy light show. This is a nice

(58:03):
twenty five year anniversary. It shows you all the highlights
on the show, their effect on how the UK housing
market and social conditions have dramatically shifted, which of course
has the parallels here. So you can either just sit
back and watch it and enjoy the nostalgia, or it's
also a little bit of a documentary of social change
and how technology and fashion and all that stuff has
changed so dramatically in twenty five years. So just a

(58:25):
nice fun little watch there.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Very good. Okay, that's twenty five years of location, location location.
It's on TVNZ Plus and on Skygo. The new season
of south Park.

Speaker 11 (58:35):
Or when the gloves have come off in this new
season of south Park, they are going for it. In
my view, the only good to come out of the
second Trump presidency is the fuse that has lit under
the creative team of south Park because they are just
off the chain at the moment, politically satirizing, just an
abiting and brutal fashion, especially the time when in America

(58:58):
Talk to Her hosts are being pulled off the air
for sort of mild political jokes. TV networks are spending
millions of dollars setting settling fairly frivolous cases against them
by the administration. South Park is just fearlessly satirizing the
federal government at the moment, and in a way that's
true defiant, gleef and gleefully brutal, you know. And when

(59:18):
it comes to Trump, specifically exuberantly obscene, it's just a
giant middle finger. So, I mean, at this point we
all know what South Pak is. If you have been
checked out for a little while, because it has been
going for so long that it's easy just to not
watch it. If you ever did like it, now is
a great time to jump back in because it is
just top notch. It is so funny, so satirizing, just

(59:41):
all the stuff that it makes it great.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
It is there right now. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
The thing I love about South Park is they truly
are equal opportunity satirists, but they just tease everyone. They
target everyone of every kind of political dimension, every sphere,
every cultural tear. I totally agree. I think South Park
is outstanding. Thank you so much, Carl So. South Park
is on Skygo twenty five years of location location on

(01:00:06):
TVNZ plus Sean Coombs. The Reckoning is on Netflix and
you can hear more from Carl of course, on his
sub stack. It's called screen Crack. It's just gone ten.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Thirty, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on news talks by.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Music, events and artists that drop into Australia but skip
right over us in New Zealand. They make for a
bit of a hot topic, or they have done in
twenty twenty five. At the very least, we have mentioned
before some of the world's biggest names who didn't bother
gracing us with the show on their most recent world tours.
Here's looking at you, Taylors with Oasis, Billie Eilish. When

(01:01:06):
I do come our way, it can become a bit
of a spectacle, in a good way for weeks. On
either side of the event, conversation center around who's going.
The excitement in the air across the country is near palpable.
But what would that excitement be like? What kind of
buzz would there be if New Zealand did become a
regular stop for these big major tours. This week Australia

(01:01:29):
is hosting two major international artists, Kendrick Lamar and Lady Gaga,
and the Good Things Festival is headlining acts including Tool, Weezer, Garbage,
and all time low. So our music reviewer has valiantly
jumped over the ditch and squeezed all of those incredible
acts into a week. He's going to bet with us

(01:01:50):
before midday. My goodness, he's going to be exhausted but delighted.
I'm sure to give us his thoughts and just gently
remind us what we are all missing out on here.
We have had so many messages this morning regarding the
little English language foible that some of us make from
time to time and the things that really grind your gears.

(01:02:11):
Jenny sent me an email to say, Jack, I remember
my third form English teacher explaining the difference between due
too and owing to. The only thing that is due
is the next train. Anything that occurs as the result
of something is owing to. That is a very very
good example, Jenny, and not one that I had considered before.

(01:02:31):
So thank you for that. Something that really annoys me,
says Pauline, is the something and nothing which you hear
all the time. And yes, Jack, I've heard you say
several times like I said, like I said is incorrect.
As I said is correct. I'll get to worry examples
in a couple of minutes. Our Texpert is in very
shortly with his thoughts on this massive new deal between

(01:02:53):
Netflix and Warner Brothers. Twenty five to eleven, Start your.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Day, enteritein it's the Mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 15 (01:03:01):
So given it's the time of the year, let's welcome
back out the Prime Minister for one last time for
the fest of season. Christopher Luxeton on the News, I
saw you saying I've got a gift swap, and I thought,
I'm actually really confident in my exchange. Now listen to this.
This is why we've given you.

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Pat we sat down, we hadnner on our left.

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Stop eating dinner on your knee.

Speaker 16 (01:03:17):
It's not healthy.

Speaker 9 (01:03:18):
So this is unique.

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It's a one off unwrap that.

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Oh look at this.

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It was looking good until I took this out. Okay, listener,
So what we've got is meal trace. But then Amanda
and I are now going to have great pleasure of
looking at the wonderful face of Mike Hosking on top
of our now good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Boy back Monday from six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast
with the Defender and News togs HEADB twenty two minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Two eleven on News Talks, heb with Jack tame So
Netflix has announced it is going to be buying the
studios of Warner Brothers Discovery. It is a deal worth
a fantastic amount of money, one hundred and forty four
billion New Zealand dollars. Our Textbert Paul Stenhouse is here
trying to deduce what it's going to mean for our
various streaming services.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
A Paul, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:04:06):
I think HBO Max might be toast, right, So that
is one of the that is that is Warner Brothers
Discoveries big streaming service. It's global one. It houses HBO,
you know, with all of the fantastic shows that come
out of that studio, and it is one of the
premium streamers here in the States and globally, and I

(01:04:27):
think that that will probably just be folded into Netflix
if this deal goes ahead. They also have the Discovery app,
which I don't think is in New Zealand, but you
know it has a bunch of you know, discovering. It
was kind of the old kind of you know, sky
TV type networks and things you get like the animal
Planets and the cartoon networks and all that kind of stuff.

(01:04:50):
That's also as a separate service, but that's going to
stay So it's a really interesting transaction because a couple
of years ago is when Warner Brothers and Discovery merged, right,
it was sort of the smaller Discovery ended up buying
Warner Brothers, which was just bizarre at the time. And now,
of course us splitting the company up to basically put

(01:05:11):
all of those quote unquote legacy TV assets into one
bucket and that's going to stay listed on the Stock exchange.
And then the flagship, if you will, the Warner Brothers studios,
including the Beautiful Lot in La and you know, the
people that work at that studio, and then the streaming
service all will end up over with Netflix. And if

(01:05:32):
you really look at it and you went, well, why
did they why did they even bother kind of doing
this merger, they really just shuffled a few things around.
So CNN, for example, was part of that Warner Brothers
world that's now over in this kind of remain Co
Global Networks as they're calling it. And it will be
interesting to see how it go, how those companies go

(01:05:52):
on their own. I mean, people have talked about potentially
trying to buy CNN back in the day and spinning
it out as a standalone service. So hey, it's going
to kind of get its it's time to shy at
this at its new company. But no, Netflix spent just
a ton, a ton of cash check. And of course

(01:06:13):
all of this is subject to regulators, not just in
the US state. There's a lot of talk about the
Trump administration and what they will do, but also Netflix
operates in one hundred and ninety countries, so this will
have to go through a bunch of international regulators too,
and the EU will be I'm sure all across it.
But can I tell you one thing I found very amusing. Please,
I've got friends who work at both Netflix. I have
friends who work at Warner Brothers Discovery.

Speaker 10 (01:06:36):
Netflix.

Speaker 17 (01:06:36):
Let me just say, pays very well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Like they actually have a whole philosophy.

Speaker 17 (01:06:41):
I could talk to you too much about it, but
they have a whole philosophy that staff at their company
should be like an a sports team, right, Like you
only want the A players on the field, right, And
if they pay you like you're an A player, and
the moment they don't think you should be in the
starting fifteen, the starting eleven, they ask you to leave, right,
so they pay top of the market.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
It is brutal and so the.

Speaker 17 (01:07:02):
Talk of the town, well the talk of my group
chat was will the Warner Brothers Discovery people now be
being paid like the Netflix? Yeah, so they're like, will
we be getting a pay ride?

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
I mean, a's if Netflix has gone any money left
after spending one hundred Well, hey, Samsung is launching the
first trifold phone. So we know about fold phones, but
now they're gonna They're gonna have two folds in them.

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:07:27):
Yeah, so kind of like a brochure you sort of
open it up screen on the other side of it too,
so it's sort of like four screens, but three of
them go into one ten inch screen. It's sort of
so Samsung's put this out right. It's not gonna be
available in New Zealand. It's going to be in Korea first,
then China, Taiwan, Singapore, the UAE, and.

Speaker 9 (01:07:47):
The USA, so some select markets.

Speaker 17 (01:07:50):
But it is kind of funny because Apple, the analysts
are thinking that Apple will potentially put out their first
single fold phone, full screen kind of thing next year,
and Samsung's basically, I think in the eyes of some
kind of saying hold.

Speaker 9 (01:08:04):
My beer, we're going to do one up.

Speaker 17 (01:08:07):
We're going to do the trifold before you've even launched
the jewel fold.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Yeah, it's it's pretty cool.

Speaker 17 (01:08:14):
I mean, if you really do want something in your
pocket that can be used as a phone and then
could be used on you know, thinking like job sites
or things where you need, you know, people out and
about in company vehicles and things. It could be an
interesting solution for some of those things. But based on
the price of Samsung's jewel screen folding phone, it doesn't

(01:08:36):
come cheap, so that would be a cludge consideration.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Many yes, all right, thanks Paul, going to chat. That's
our Techsbert Paul Stenhouse. We're in the garden before eleven o'clock.
Next up, our Master Somalier has his pick for this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday morning with Jack Team.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
News Talks be fourteen two eleven on newsilks. It'd be
so many usage erarors being pulled out this morning. Jack
five am in the morning. That really annoys may as well,
Phil when people say, oh, was it five am in
the morning as opposed to five am in the evening? Yeah,
absolutely ridiculous. Ninety two to ninety two. If you want
to send us a text. I'll get to mow your
examples very shortly. Our masters and mallier Cameron Douglas has

(01:09:19):
chosen for his wine of the week a Chardonay from
the Landing at twenty twenty four in the Bay of Islands,
of course, and Cameron is with us. Now go to Cameron, good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Morning, good morning. What a beautiful day.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Yeah it is. So why did you go with the
Landing Chardonay?

Speaker 12 (01:09:33):
Well, I was thinking it's this time of year when
we start thinking about gifts for Christmas, and I'm all
about the stories that you create through experiences, and that's
as much as a gift as it is something like
a bottle of wine, or you can do both. And
I was thinking that if you find yourself up in

(01:09:54):
the Bay of Islands this summertime, then one place that
you must be on your bucket list is a visit
to the Landing. Not only is it great for its
viticulture and experience, just getting there alone is a wonderful experience,
but there's a great story and history behind the actual
site itself. It's where the first identifiable vineyard in New

(01:10:20):
Zealand was planted many many years ago, in the eighteen hundreds,
but it's also the place where the first permanent European
settlement in New Zealand began and where the first community
of European missionaries and indigenous Maori lived together. And this
is all part of the greater Land area and farming
community that was established where the Landing wines are. So

(01:10:44):
it's got a great story behind it already.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
It's, like you say, a beautiful part of the country
as well, But tell us about the tell us about
the wine itself. What is the Landing Chardonnay twenty twenty
four Taste life.

Speaker 12 (01:10:57):
Yeah, it's well, the first word I always write down
with the wine that I like to talk about is delicious.
It's got a deliciousness to it. But it also has
this what I call an coat of place, and it's
where people talk about minerality, and for me, it has
this clay stone, mineral salty seaside echo through the wine

(01:11:17):
and then this rush of chardenay characteristics of fresh apple
and grapefruit and right yellow stone fruit. And then of
course a lot of chardonnays do like to have a
relationship with oak, in this case free choke, so there's
a nice little wood spice characteristic in there and what
I call Lee's ortolysis complexity. So there's a lot of

(01:11:39):
texture in this wine as well as core fruit flavors.
It's young, it's taught, it's lovely on its own all
with food.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Oh nice. So what would you match it with.

Speaker 12 (01:11:51):
Well, chardenay can be enjoyed on its own. And if
I was going to suggest something that ticked the boxes
of a lot of different dietaries, I'm going with a
homemade fettachini dish. So make your own fetechini or by
some ribbons, and then do it in a very very
light cream sauce, not a big thick, heavy cream sauce,

(01:12:13):
just very very light, and make sure you toss in
some toasted pine nuts and button mushrooms. Then you add
the protein that you want. I like roasted salmon or
smoked salmon through my feeder cheney. But you could do
turkey for this time of year, or you could leave
it completely vegetarian.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Amazing. That sounds so good. Hey, thank you, Cameron. So
camera's picked for us this week is a twenty twenty
four chardonnay from the Landing in the Bay of Islands.
We'll make sure we've got all the details up on
the news talks, he'db website after eleven o'clock. On news talks,
he'd be our travel correspondent is in giving us his
top tips on Ireland's hidden heartland. So really looking forward

(01:12:52):
to getting those little spots from him. Shortly and heaps
and heapsa texts have come through, not only about usage
but also about Alice Taylor. I feats your interview this morning,
calder Jack. Loved your interview with Alice, says Bridget. She
is a superstar. I won first prize at the Skagills
Spring Show with her lemon syrup cake recipe and I
was visiting Aucklander at the time. I'm not sure how

(01:13:15):
that went down with the locals. Love your work. Thanks
Bridget ninety ninety two. If you want to send us
a message, we're in the garden.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Next gardening with still shop and get dollars off loads
of selected still tools.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Rude time passes our men in the garden. Good morning,
A very good morning to you. Tricky pests in the
garden this morning.

Speaker 18 (01:13:35):
Yeah, but first I'm going to deal with some tricky language.
Oh dear, I'm sorry, I mean, you know, I don't
know if you've noticed but there is an enormous nonsense
in the marketing language. Yes, I'll give you an example.
Please and watch this because this is becoming big and
I bet she's going to be controversial. There are these

(01:13:56):
these politicians that talk about we now have a political ecosystem.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, and it isn't an it's not an
ease an ecosystem exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:14:09):
But an ecosystem is wonderful. It is collaborative, it's not competitive.
It's all the other things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
This is what you got it.

Speaker 18 (01:14:18):
Yeah, and also the not only economic ecosystem, political ecosystem,
but also things like what we're talking about today, we're
talking about bugs. Well, the funny thing is that bugs
are a very specific group of insects that are the
true bugs, and and all the others are literally invertebrates,
you know, the ones without a backbone and all that

(01:14:39):
sort of stuff. So I thought, let's talk about bugs.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Okay, yeah, merely bugs and particular we have Honestly, I
just feel like this is the problem with the indoor
plant at a place in particular. We are just always
fighting the media.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Bugs.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Yeah, mellibug.

Speaker 18 (01:14:55):
And so there's two they're basically similar scale and sex
and medibugs are in the same group, and they are
a pain in the bum to actually control, if you like.
So let's have a look at that first. So they
were they're really nasty things. The first thing they both do,
both melli bugs and and the scale in sects, they

(01:15:16):
stick their their watching them. Call it the things at
the front. You have to suck up the juices from
the plants, from the veins of the leaves and from
the plants. And basically what they then do is they
poop out the honeyjew the sweet sap, which by the way,
is a nice word for the turret in nature.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Yeah, you know, got that.

Speaker 18 (01:15:37):
You have told you that before anyway, So this is
how it works. They get stuff out of the plant
and they poop it out as honeydew. And on top
of the honeydew grows a black sooty mold, which is
a fungus that actually makes it kind of go away.
But it shows you now what you're looking for if
you are if you have these problems, if you get

(01:15:58):
a black stuff on the top, it's always a sap
sucking bug that does it. There's a couple of few,
quite a few of them, particular varieties and so as
you said, inside where you are with your house plants, absolutely,
but outside, especially in Auckland with its nice relative humidity,
you get heaps of them too, and it is really

(01:16:21):
a pain in the bum to get rid of.

Speaker 10 (01:16:24):
Yeah, so here we go.

Speaker 19 (01:16:26):
What do you do?

Speaker 18 (01:16:27):
You use materials that are systemic, if you like, and
that you can use. I'll give you an example. Grow
ventive is a really good material, but if you read
the label you say you cannot be used. You can
be using that on edible crops because it's not very
good for us to eat something that has been sprayed

(01:16:48):
with grow ventive. Right, Yeah, this is a really important one.
Then you have the famous kneem oil we quite often
talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
Yep, i've got any oil at our plants. That's what
we do. I know you do.

Speaker 18 (01:16:58):
And conquerer oil, which is a similar sort of thing.
And here comes the thing and you see it on
those photos that are sent to Libby. If you've got
very young mealy bugs, your very young scale insects, it
takes time for them to grow and when they lay
their eggs, the babies come out literally not that long after,

(01:17:18):
and that means you have to reapply that particular material
said I mentioned to grow ventive and the conqueror on anymore,
say every week, maybe every ten days or so. And
if you do that consistently, you can do it, mate,
you can.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
I don't know. I feel like we've been fighting a
fight that's lasted a lot longer than ten days at
our place.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Road.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
It's like whack them ole with the merely bugs at
our place. But like you say, you've just got to
be fastidious. Hey, thank you sir, have every weekend catch
again very soon. Thank you so much for all of
your messages this morning. We have had just ridiculous numbers
of pet peeves, pet language peeves that I'll share with
you after eleven o'clock this morning, as well as that

(01:17:58):
our clinical psychologist is in. He's been noting all of
the all of the nostalgic vibes lately, so he's going
to tell us why good old days feels so good
news is next though it's almost eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Saturday morning. With Jack team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend news talks, he'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Good morning you were Jack Tame on news talks, he'd
be for another or fifty three minutes or so this
Saturday morning together, just so you know, the Black Caps
have kicked off at Hagley Park for Day four against
the Western Neys in their first Test. At the moment
it looks like a relatively nice day, a little bit breezy,
but the Westerndis are four down for two hundred and thirty,

(01:19:04):
so they have a long way to go. So if
they are to win this Test, but I don't know,
it could be interesting. Show Hope's currently one hundred and
twenty seven nod out, so if he were just to
stick around for a wee while longer, maybe get past
that two hundred mark, who knows, it could be very
interesting indeed. So I will keep you up to speed
with the latest developments from Hagley Oval this morning. We
will also keep you up to say with the latest

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developments from the Party Mardi Agm this weekend, which I
think is going to be an interesting one to say
the least. Maria mental Kapa KINGI of course had the
decision from the judge esterday which means she will be
able to attend the AGM. She says she's going to
be focusing on her work, but it's hard to imagine
that some of the interpersonal relationships aren't going to be
front and center of all of the courted or at

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the T Party mardi agm. I mean, it really is
remarkable if you to step back, regardless of what you
think of Tiparty Mahdi and their politics, if you to
stand back and think, well, over the last couple of years,
they have probably had more momentum than almost any other
party in that they have from where they were to
where they to where they I was gonna say where

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they are, but from where they were to where they were,
I mean they have had this huge kind of this
sense of growth and momentum that came out of the
hikoi more tatidity and you know, so much of their
social media game and all of that. And yet at
a time when all of these policies were passing through Parliament,

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policies that Tparti Maudi was established to try and oppose
things like the Marine and Coastal Areas Act, they are
far too focused on feuding with one another. I mean
it's almost Shakespearean, honestly. And for all of these politicians
they say it's the Coppper first Coppper first year, not
so much. Maybe anyway, it'd be very interesting to watch
our proceedings at the Departy Mardi Agm this weekend, and

(01:20:53):
of course the news team will be covering it and
making sure you are first to hear of any developments
out of that Hui before midday on Newstalks. He'd be
our music reviewer. Really has a tough life. He has
whipped over to Australia and squeak. He's been a ridiculous
number of gigs into just a few days and look,
we've we've had a pretty good run of things here lately.
We had Metallica, we had Tool but no over in Australia,

(01:21:16):
he's been to Good Things, the Good Things Festival. He's
been to said Kendrick Lamar and Lady Gaga in the
space of a few days. So he's going to tell
us how those gigs have been going down and what
it might mean for New Zealand if we are able
to get back on the list of potential venues for
these global artists doing global tours. As well as that

(01:21:36):
our travel correspondence and shortly with his favorite picks among
Ireland's hidden heartland right now tho it's ten past eleven,
Check team Doogle Southern from Umbrella Well Being is here
with us this morning, and Dougal. We've been reflecting in
our music segments over the last few weeks that there's
a real kind of thing for nostalgia at the moment,

(01:21:58):
whether it's O waysis even even bands like Metallica, I
think many of us have a bit of a thing
for nostalgia. And you've been remember bring the good old
days and remembering and noting that nextly maybe the good
old days are not quite as good as we necessarily recall.

Speaker 19 (01:22:15):
Well, I think the fact is that everybody's good old
days are the good old days, and in fact, in
twenty twenty five will currently be in the future somebody's
good old days. So we all have this period of
our lives sort of you know, mid to late teens,
early adulthood, which most of us look back fondly on,

(01:22:37):
and most of us have big, sort of good memories
for that period. And you know, you remember your first kiss,
and you remember your first big concert, and you remember
your first this and your first that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Nostia is seductive, It is seductive.

Speaker 6 (01:22:53):
Absolutely.

Speaker 19 (01:22:54):
Politicians use it, you know, make America great again, because
remember it used to be great. Remember in the good
old days when it used to be great. It's not now,
is it. And that's that's the thing that psychologists call
the reminiscence bump.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
So that's that.

Speaker 19 (01:23:10):
Period of your life, you know, that that that late
that late late teens, early adulthood when we we pretty
much all of us have that sort of just.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
That general, we have a large.

Speaker 19 (01:23:24):
Amount of memories and they're often very have a very
positive sort of elements to them, that very nostalgic that
we like to look back on and think of as
the good old.

Speaker 6 (01:23:33):
Days for us.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
It's it's probably because while I'm just guessing here, but
is it because that's when you sort of have your
first sense of independence, that the kind of formative years
professionally or educationally and that and that Yeah, you know,
I suppose in a relationship sense that you know, you're
experiencing a lot of new things as well.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
Yeah, that's that, that's right.

Speaker 19 (01:23:56):
And I think that sort of speaks to what memory
is for or why do we have memory? And and
this sort sort of memory memory about our own lives
is called autobigra memory, right, And and it's not the
role of memory, or at least this type of memy
isn't to keep a sort of video recording of our
lives and everything that happens so that we can sort.

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
Of go back to it whenever we want. Well, one
of the big theories is that it's actually.

Speaker 19 (01:24:22):
Our memory, our autobiographical memories about figuring out who we
are and helping us shape our view of ourselves, so
that as you say, that's when we start having our
first serious relationships, we start our professional careers, and our
memories of that help shape our view of who we
are going forward. Oh yes, i am this, or I
am I'm an Oasis fan or I'm a Blue fan.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
To you know, that's a fairly.

Speaker 19 (01:24:46):
Minor example, but you know that it helps us shape
and gives us that sense of who we are as people.
These other things that are important to me, they have
stuck out, these have shaped me in some ways.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
For these are they are formative identity?

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, that's a really good way upon it.
The formative identity about us. And because they're new and unique.

Speaker 19 (01:25:09):
You know, your first big concert or that first job,
your first car, your first love, you probably have talked.

Speaker 6 (01:25:15):
About it and thought about it and remembered about it
a lot.

Speaker 19 (01:25:18):
So you keep bringing it back to mind, and you
keep rehearsing it, and so you're keeping it alive, and
you're giving up more attention perhaps than you might give
to other events that have happened in your life. So,
you know, so we're likely to recall it more because
we've practiced and we've rehearsed it more, and because they're
sort of often new and exciting events that have happened

(01:25:40):
our first times. You know, they tend to give us
that sort of rosy kind of sense of what our
lives were like in the past.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
It's very interesting, so and interesting that you focus on
the good things, you know that we kind of we
look at the rosier things. Do you think that maybe
I don't know, maybe maybe there's because there's I don't
want to say there's less pressure when you're young, because
actually a lot of young people under it a huge
amount amounts of pressure. But I suppose you know, if
you're eighteen or nineteen, you're not worried about the mortgage

(01:26:09):
or feeding the kids. Yeah, that's generally speaking, right.

Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
Yeah, yeah, get typically speaking of it.

Speaker 19 (01:26:14):
Yeah, I mean that, you know, we do tend to
remember things that stand out, so you know, that the unique,
then you tend to stand out more for us, and
we tend to rehearse.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
And remember those more than more than sort of the.

Speaker 19 (01:26:30):
Daily drudgery of sort of getting up and you know,
going to work and having to pay the bills, which
happens over and over and over and over again. But
it's just not very particularly exciting to think about, so
we don't spend a lot of time thinking about it,
but we do want to spend you know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
It excites us and interests.

Speaker 19 (01:26:46):
It makes us feel good when we remember those first
things again, and so yeah, it helps shape our kind
of rememory of who we are as people and who
we are as humans and our identity of ourselves.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Really, yeah, it's interesting how the new experiences thing manipulates perception.
So I read a study recently that was suggesting that,
you know, you know, how it feels like time is
speeding up as you get older. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But
apparently it's not just because everything is relative. You know,
so when you're a kid, you've only if you've only

(01:27:22):
been alive for five years, you know, one day as
a percentage of life as much. Yeah, but it's because
new experiences when you are experiencing a new experience, it
doesn't pass with the same speed that the drudgery of
repeated experiences passed with. So, for example, like if you're

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just going to work normally for a month, that month
will really fast. But if you have a month in
which you are backpacking through you know, through the through
the north coast of Spain and then the hiking in
the Pyrenees or something like that, the actual experience of
that month will take a lot longer because they're all
new experiences.

Speaker 19 (01:28:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so yes, yeah, you're bringing them
to mind. There's a lot more packed in there, isn't
the area. Yeah, and you're probably going to be talking
about that and remembering that and looking at photos of
that and sending video clips back and back in the day,
you'd write a postcard about it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:18):
So that's and that's all rehearsing in your memory.

Speaker 19 (01:28:20):
So you're all you know, you're bringing it every time
you bring it to mind. It's sort of cementing if
you like that memory a bit stronger into your head.
So yeah, it sort of fits with that really, that
those sort of new, unique things we tend to focus
on and bring back to mind more and more and
that just strengthens strengthens the memory of it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
And yeah, and for the reminiscence bump that you know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Reminiscence bumpers as late teens, early twenties, as in your
thirty seven Yeah, yeah, when.

Speaker 19 (01:28:50):
Life, you know, life perhaps doesn't quite have so many
new and exciting things every day.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
No, no, you start, you start paying the mortgage.

Speaker 19 (01:28:57):
And having to do the vacuuming and clean the bathroom
again and washing again, which don't aren't really particularly memorable
or interesting, so we don't sort of tend to think
about them or remember them.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
That's very interesting. Thank you so much to Hey.

Speaker 19 (01:29:12):
Before we go to I do have to say that
I gleefully disregard rules of grammar and English and simply
don't care about them at all.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
I'm glad. I'm glad you're the first person to actually
write in and say that this morning, to offer that up.
I'm very pleased that someone has taken a contrarian position,
because actually it's incredibly snobbish of the Wells to be
sitting here all high and mighty. I mean, you go
and look at Shakespeare's English, look at how much the
language has changed in the last few hundred years, and
you know, language is always morphing and evolving.

Speaker 20 (01:29:45):
It is.

Speaker 19 (01:29:47):
In my case, it dates back the fact that my
mum was a speech teacher, so we always had.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
These rules sort of religiously drilled into us.

Speaker 19 (01:29:54):
And so part of my teenage rebellion was not caring
about those rules, which wasn't really much of a rebellion
at all, really. But no, but yeah, so I just
don't I don't mind, really, but I appreciate the fact
that some people do.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
Look, I can assure you that not just some people
do many many people do this.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
It sounds like it from all the activity on the text.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Yes, yeah, hey, thank you so much. I have a
great record catching ins a Google. Let us google Sutherland
from Umbrella Well Being eighteen past eleven on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Travel with Windy WO Tours Where the World is yours book?

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Now, well, Google Sutherland mightn't be bothered by usage eras
from time to time. I feel like our travel correspondent
Mike Yardley is going to be a man of higher
standards on the language front.

Speaker 9 (01:30:40):
Oh well, I try, I try to keep the standards ubject.
But hey, we're all mortal.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
What eras do you make the most because I will
accept that I make errors from time to time, but
it doesn't stop me from being utterly pretentious and telling
off people when they've made errors as well, when they.

Speaker 21 (01:30:57):
Use less than instead of fewer than or you know,
oh yes, yeah that do that does get my grill
under my grill are the one I actually struggle with personally,
which I I don't know why I seem to have
a block on this.

Speaker 9 (01:31:14):
The is in the R I often use them incorrectly
in in terms of plural. Yeah, that's a very basic mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
That's interesting really. No, well yeah, but I mean obviously
it's not like you don't actually understand it and you
can't think about it. But it's just your brain in
the moment when you're speaking sometimes plays a little trip.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Yes, yeah it does.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Yeah, yeah, Okay. Anyway, this morning we are focusing on
road tripping through Ireland's hidden heartland. So what exactly are
the hidden heartlands? Are we talking under the radar places?

Speaker 9 (01:31:46):
Yes, we are, and I thought we would round off
the year Jack by taking a bit of a roading
through island and those hidden heartlands. They are the interior counties,
lesser trafficked places like County Leitrim, Sligo, Rosscommon and they
are just such a world away from your big banner
destinations like Dublin and Galway. And what I love about

(01:32:07):
the Heartlands is it's the history, the story traditions that
still beat so strong in these places. So yeah, if
you want to dabble with the emerald dial at a slower,
more scenic pace, Hello Heartlands.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Nice You hit the road in an EV, so how
well equipped is Ireland with charging points?

Speaker 19 (01:32:28):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:32:28):
I ended up hiring a pure electric Mercedes Suv. It
was a hulking beast of a thing, but was EV
and it was the first time I've actually extensively traveled
around any country in an EV, so, as I'm sure
you can appreciate, Jack. For me, range anxiety was an
immediate concern, but Ireland has really charged a head with

(01:32:50):
its roll out of charging stations, way better than New Zealand.
So with a bit of Ford planning to tie in
your recharge with your sight seeing schedule, it was very manageable.
The only thing that surprised me though, was I was
comparing the recharge costs to petrol costs and there's not
actually much difference. EV charging was not cheaper.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
Oh that's interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Really?

Speaker 6 (01:33:15):
Is that just?

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
It must have been an Ireland thing.

Speaker 9 (01:33:18):
Maybe they're just ripping ev users off.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
How much how much would it would it cost you
to fill the you know, to recharge your battery to
eighty percent or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:33:28):
Yeah, generally it was costing me anywhere between twenty and
thirty euro right so now yeah, yeah, and that was
like maybe for three hundred and fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
K, yes, six three hundred k.

Speaker 9 (01:33:42):
Yeah, yeah, it didn't It didn't strike me as cheap.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
No, that's very interesting. So anyway, you're on the road,
what led you to drum Shambo?

Speaker 9 (01:33:52):
Great question, it's the question of the year. What the
hell did you go to drum Shambo? So from Dublin,
I headed Western County, leaked from and drum Shambo is
this resolutely Irish village which has father Ted connections, which
I am a major sucker for. But drum Shambo's berg
claim to fame is its namesake gin drum Shambo gunpowder

(01:34:16):
Irish gin and hoovers up so many global awards. Jack
people just go gaga on this gin. So it's produced
at a place called the Shed Distillery, and I know
that distilleries for some are becoming a bit to a penny,
but this distillery is such a splendid establishment, and the
gin is a fusion of Asian and Irish botanical so

(01:34:40):
it includes things like Chinese gun bout tea, which is
that very strong, green, smoky tea, and that certainly gives
the gin quite the kick. So yeah, definitely head to
the shed. It is just fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Aside from the scenic countryside are their roadside curiosities in
the heartlands.

Speaker 9 (01:35:00):
So many popping up all over the place. Two particular
recurring themes. First of all, holy wells, so they are
generally named after a local saint and the local swear
by their powers. Jack so I think we went to
Saint Lucia as well, and the funny thing was so

(01:35:20):
many local students had laid pens by the well and
the hope of some divine assistance with their upcoming school exams.
The other thing in the heartlands, which is quite the marvel,
the megalithic sites. My goodness, Island has so many of them,
and they are enormous, these massive stone monuments and burial chambers.

(01:35:42):
They're like complexes of tombs. A lot of them are
over five thousand years old, so are we're talking older
than the Pyramids of Geezer or Stonehenge. And the funny
thing is, I know this is a bit sacrilegious, but
many local farmers have actually repurposed some of these really
old stones to prop up their fences.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Okay, yeah, are very good. So were's good for a
castle stay?

Speaker 10 (01:36:05):
Yes.

Speaker 9 (01:36:06):
County Rosscommon is home to Kilronan Castle, which is a
fantastically affordable and escapist castle stay. Its history dates back
to the sixteen hundreds, but the castle actually fell into
really extreme decline like that. The roof was actually removed
from the castle to avoid high taxes at one point.

(01:36:26):
But about twenty years ago millions of euros was put
into what has been a tip to toe Neo Gothic restoration,
so it is just ravishing. So yeah, if you're fancy
adding a little touch of Irish castle magic to your trip,
kill Ronan gets the big tick.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
I see you went to Sligo. Is that where the
seaweed bars are?

Speaker 9 (01:36:47):
Oh my goodness, Jack, Yes, So the County of Sligo
stretches right out to the Atlantic coastline and there is
this little seaside town called Strantil, which is home to
the Voyer Seaweed Barths. These guys have caused a lot
of buzz in recent years because they have revived the
Celtic tradition of seaweed bathing. If you go back one

(01:37:07):
hundred and twenty years ago, for example, apparently there will
one hundred seaweed bath houses all along the west coast
of Ireland.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:37:16):
So at Voyeur they hand harvest fresh seaweed from the
ocean in Strandhill. It's all very organical, wild and I
spent an hour marinating myself in this hot, gloopy bath
of seaweed because it oozes this like gel like substance.
It's the most bizarre thing, but I felt like a
new man Jack. And the bath house is such a

(01:37:40):
solid hangout. The Irish rugby team can't get enough at
this place. That's where they go to, you know, sort
of recover. And apparently it's the irodne content and seaweed
that makes it such a great detoxifier. Yeah, really interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Okay, yeah, oh very nice. Did you smell afterwards or
was it?

Speaker 9 (01:37:57):
Oh my god, yeah, I smelled like the Atlantic really, Brian.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Yeah, yeah, um yeah. Jumping straight back on a plane
we did four hours. Well, what about Sligo Town itself.

Speaker 9 (01:38:12):
I'm in love with this town. It's not a tourist infection,
which is its magic. It's the real deal. So you've
got this compact, charismatic and colorful town with a whrde
of quintessential pubs that just burst with trad sessions. And
the other thing which really struck me in the main
street all of these gorgeous old school shops like the

(01:38:33):
Gentlemen drapers and the watchmakers, and they've remained going concerns
for well over a century, handed down through the family,
and they just seem immune to the fickle whims of retail.
And I just think that adds to Sligo's really stout spirit.
Definitely add that town to your checklist.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Oh very good. That sounds fantastic. Thank you so much, Mike.
We will put all of Mike's tips on tripping through
Ireland's hidden heartlands up on the news Doorks. He'd be
website newsborks'b dot co dot nz. Right now, it is
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Most News twenty seven and twelve. Jason Pine is in
the hot seat in the nine this week, counting down
to the Derby this afternoon, Auckland f C and the
Wellington Phoenix. But we should begin with the news from
from what eight o'clock this morning? Piney? What do you
make of the all white pool for the Football World Cup?

(01:39:51):
Could I jack?

Speaker 22 (01:39:52):
Yeah, I think a good one, you know, as an
outcome that I think. You look at it and you say, okay, yeah,
look at those teams Belgium, Iran and Egypt. It's not
a group of death by any stretch of the imagination.
And a forty eight ten World Cup, you know, really
they're arm Tenny. But what you look at is you'll
look at teams who came out of Pots two and three,
Iran and Egypt, and you say, okay, I think there

(01:40:12):
are results to be had there for New Zealand. They
won't be favorite, absolutely they won't. And every other team
in that group will look at New Zealand and say,
well there's three points for a start. So maybe that
works in our favor, But look, I think there's a
lot to like about it. They were always going to
get a bigger team out of Pot one, and Belgium's fine,
it's a bit of a free hit.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
It's their last game.

Speaker 22 (01:40:29):
They play Iran first, then Egypt and then Belgium last.
Those first two games obviously are the ones that you
want to try and get. They'll totally believe that they
can get a win and another result in those two
even if they come through the Iran game with a
drawer and set themselves up against Egypt, who are thirty
fourth in the world have never won a game at

(01:40:49):
a World Cup. They do have Muhammad Salah. Let's not
forget that handy player. But I think if you have
a above it and look down, you say, that's a
pretty good drawer. Darren Basely's on the show after midday.
We'll see what he thinks. I think, you know, he'll
probably be of the same mind that it could have
been a heck of a lot worse. They've avoided South
American opposition, and they've avoided being one of the four
groups that has two European teams in it, which is

(01:41:10):
always going to be tough. So yeah, I think as
an outcome, it were forty eighth team out Jack, I
thought they'd forgotten about it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
I know, I was starting to think that. I think
that as well. It was my one experience that was,
oh my goodness. Anyway, So I actually think there's one
really underappreciated component with it all this morning, and that
is the location of the Yes, really it could not
be better. The fact that we're doing these on the

(01:41:35):
West Coast. So you are one flight away from New
Zealand right LA and Vancouver, one flight away Seattle. You've
got to have a connecting flight. It's not far from
vene an hour and a half year drive. I mean,
it's super close. But we could have been playing these
in Mexico, which would have been more complex for New
Zealand fans. There are already heaps of kiwis based on
that West Coast. I think that is really I think

(01:41:58):
if you if you consider that, and you consider the
teams were up against, I don't think we could have
had a better outcome. I totally agree.

Speaker 22 (01:42:04):
Yeah, I totally agree, and you're right it all it
just seems so much more accessible, itesn't it. The West
Coast direct flights that sort of thing. We find out
tomorrow the exact locations of the three games, but those
are the three cities allocated to our group. So yeah,
look Howard Johnson's and Anaheim will be filling out with
just across the road from Disneyland. Looking forward to it

(01:42:25):
in June already.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
So Darren Basley this afternoon you counted down to the
derby as well.

Speaker 22 (01:42:28):
Yeah, got both coaches on the show after two Steve
Corriker and Joan Colo will tell you understand, Yeah pop
in on the way to the game. So he's going
to do that. So quite a bit of football this afternoon,
but a cricket as well. This ongoing conundrum around our
domestic T twenty comp the NZED twenty we heard from
Don McKinnon a couple of weeks ago. This afternoon, Richard
Petree is going to be on the show. He's one
of the signatories to a letter which was sent during

(01:42:50):
the week opposing this n Z twenty. So I want
to get both sides of the story, so we'll sad
about that. Heaps of live sport as well, including the
fourth the fifth day for the first test, that's the
fifth day to day. It's the fifth day to day. Yeah, yeah,
it started on started on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
What's the day today? Saturday? Yeah, this is Thursday Western.

Speaker 22 (01:43:10):
He's a four down and digging in. When he's six wickets,
they probably won't get the runs. But and then there's
the Ozzie Golf Open Hill here and Fox both there. Yeah,
lots to lots to look forward to the stuff and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Good looking forward to it, thank you, sir. Chasm Pie
with us for weekend sport right after the midday News.
Before that will take you to Australia where our music
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Twee to twelve on News Talks. He'd be Katherine Rains,
our book reviewer, is here with her reads to recommend
this weekend. Hey Catherine, Hey Jack. We're going to begin
with a new book by Sam Dalrymple. It's called Chattered
Lands and it's a history of modern South Asia told
through five different partitions.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
In that name.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
Dal Rymple will be very familiar to fans of history
around India.

Speaker 20 (01:44:08):
That's right, because his father William writes a lot of
history around this area. And Sam's taken on the story
of the Indian Empire and how this single dominion becomes
twelve nations and how the maps, you know, and boardrooms
and battlefields and politicians and kings and all of the
soldiers and all of the people that change this and

(01:44:29):
resulted in the formation of the twelve states that we
see today. And it does cover five partitions. It starts
in the British Raj and begins with Aiden and Burma
and then being separated from the Indian Empire, and then
ending up in the West and East now Bangladesh and
Pakistan's division. And it begins with the partition of Burma,
and that's sort of where the nationalism sort of rears

(01:44:51):
its sort of blood thirsty head, I guess, and proceeds
through that partitioning of the Arabian Raj and then dealing
with the Petition as we kind of know it now
and ending in nineteen seventy one. And you get lots
of narrative and here Darwymp has gone through and to
interview and diaries and first hand accounts and really tries
to sort almost personalize that that narrative, and it's really

(01:45:14):
violent what happens. And there's really three figures I think
that stand out. There was Jena and Mount Bounton and
Patel and Gena Cuts, this real tragic figure and his
personal and political life. And then there's shadier Patel, who
just was peirs to actually be just an awful man.
And then Mount Badden, who history has probably been kind

(01:45:35):
to in this book really isn't and how he divided
the empire, and lots of stuff that he did could
have been avoided and certainly less bloodshed, and you know,
have you dealt with things with a little bit more
foresight and empathy. And it's really interesting the past and
the regions and the boundaries. And I have to admit
this is not a subject that I am well versed in,

(01:45:55):
but I found it fascinating and the research seems really outstanding,
and the start of writings similar to his dad's. You know,
it's you know, that narration and feels like you just
kind of going. It never feels like a dry history
or reading a textbook. It's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
Oh, very good. Okay, that's Shattered Lands by Sam Drymple.
Next up The Air Apparent by Rebecca Armitage.

Speaker 20 (01:46:17):
So for something completely different. This novel uses some very
loose reference to some historical figures and it centers on
this girl, Leslie Villas, and she's built this life in Tasmania.
She's working as a trainee doctor and sharing a home
with her friends and sort of living a reasonably good life.
But actually her brother, her twin brother, is the heir

(01:46:37):
to the British throne once her father passes, and so
while she's in the middle of a residency, the real
unthinkable happens and her father and brother are killed in
a tragic accident, and she finds herself returning to England
as the heir to the throne, and her grandmother gives
her twelve months to decide whether she should take the
crown or return to her life. And there's all sorts

(01:46:59):
of great characters in here. There's an uncle who's desperate
to take over and will do anything. There's a sister
in law with a devastating secret of course, a palace
full of trichery and rumor, and there's lots of family
drama and mystery and characters and lots of the stories
told with the kind of flashbacks and times, and it's
a really good tale, and it's got wit and humor

(01:47:21):
and the spectacle of the monarchy and this alternate British
royal family where at least half the members you could
probably pack as to who their real life counterpart will be.
And I didn't think. I went into this with kind
of like, oh yeah, okay, I'm not sure about this,
And I was surprisingly hooked by this novel. And the
writing's brilliant and interesting and this great human story. It's

(01:47:44):
well worth a read.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
Oh very good. Okay, So that's the Heir Apparent by
Rebecca Armitage. Catherine's first book, Shattered Lands by Sam d
Rymple a likes. She interviewed William d Rymple, his father,
a few weeks ago. You can see that on YouTube.
It's like, William d Rymple is just such an amazing communicator.
So if Sam is anything like his old man, I'm
sure that Shattered Lands is an amazing, amazing book. As

(01:48:07):
well as as well as writing, of course, he hosts
of the Empire podcast, which has to be one of
my all time favorites. Right at A six eight to
twelve on News Talks. It'd be our music correspondent has
whipped across to Australia for the craziest week of concerts.
He's well us next giving.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
You the inside scoop on All you Need to Know
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
It'd be.

Speaker 10 (01:48:36):
When You're One, Tony as Witches, the Sun.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
As Fun and John You Dog thirteen to twelve. That's
Weezer Island in the Sun Now. Music reviewer Chris Schultz
has been in a Weezer frame of mind over the
last couple of days as they perform at the Good
Things Music Festival in Australia. But Chris has the craziest
week because Good Things isn't the only thing he's attending.

(01:49:24):
He's with us now, Chris run us through the week.

Speaker 23 (01:49:29):
It's been pretty wild. It started with the Kendrick Lamar
Stadium spectacle and then he played another one the night
after which I also got to go and see Dolci
open for that show, one of the year's most exciting
new artists. And then yesterday, Yeah, Good Things Festival. It's

(01:49:49):
only one of three festivals that are on in this
insane week. There are also two Lady Gaga Stadium shows
as well, and a whole bunch of other smaller side
shows from those events. So yeah, it's it's a week
like Noah, I am over here in Australia for that week,

(01:50:09):
and don't get me wrong, it is a heck.

Speaker 6 (01:50:12):
Of a lot of fun.

Speaker 23 (01:50:13):
I have had so much fun that I am going
to have to throw my shoes out. They are ruined.
I need to get new shoes today.

Speaker 9 (01:50:21):
But there's a serious side to this too, right because all.

Speaker 23 (01:50:23):
Year we've seen all of these acts bypass New Zealand
in favor of doing these exclusive Australian trips, and so
going to Australia traveling for concerts is something we've had
to become accustom to. Music fans have had to do
this if they want to see these major acts. And
I can give you the list, you know, It's Kylie Mino,

(01:50:44):
Katie Perry, ACDC, Green.

Speaker 6 (01:50:47):
Day, Billie Eilish.

Speaker 23 (01:50:48):
The list goes on and on, and we're all sort
of like, we're still talking about the impact this one
Metallica show had in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Just last month.

Speaker 23 (01:50:58):
Yeah, there's still stories being written about the impact that
had on on businesses, on the economy, on hotels and
restaurants and it's just in Melbourne. It's just keeping going.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
It's wild.

Speaker 23 (01:51:14):
Really, it's just a whole week that's kind of unprecedented
that we're not getting any of.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it is pretty stark when you
read out that list of artists and when you consider
what you've experienced in just the last couple of days.
So you going to Lady Gaga tonight?

Speaker 23 (01:51:33):
I am seeing the Lady Gaga Stadium Spectacle tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:51:37):
Yes.

Speaker 23 (01:51:38):
I think it's at Marvel Stadium, which is like eighty
thousand people. A friend of mine was there last night.
He messaged me on one text message it said greatest
night in my life. So a lot to live up
to there. It's also jack like something happened on Wednesday
that first Kendrick Lamar show. Louise Upston Our Tourism Minister
announced a suite of concerts and festivals that are coming

(01:52:01):
to New Zealand. The government is trying to do something
about this. They've launched this major event. They're trying to
entice major artists back. And the first recipients so that
were six sixty and Cinconny to open Ta Kaha the
new stadium in christ Church and a Lincoln Park show
for Auckland and the thirtm Festival for Wellington Ultra Festival.

(01:52:23):
But the timing of that really struck me. You know,
I just landed in Melbourne and I was about to
go to Kendrick Lamar and I saw that come through
and like, that's great. It's really good news that they've
recognized us as a problem. They're doing something about it.
But it's too little, too late for these shows that
already locked in for Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Well, what's interesting, I think is that if you think
about the economics of the music industry at large today,
clearly in the streaming era, the ways in which artists
make money and make a livelihood, the balance has shifted right.
So whereas in the past that they would have made
a larger proportion of their income from selling records, these days,

(01:53:04):
given they famously get such pitiful sums from the big streamers,
many more artists are putting on these huge shows as
they're kind of primary source of income and going on
these big world these huge world tours and these big
stadium tours. It's a real kind of trend for the
world's biggest artists. And so if new Zealand isn't able

(01:53:27):
to reverse the current position and isn't able to actually
entice a few more of these artists, it's going to
be a real issue.

Speaker 23 (01:53:32):
I think, well, I think you know that Metallica shows
the great example, right, Like the city's maxed out, it
feels exciting, everyone's out and about and it just has
this kind of lift everyone feels. I don't know, it's
just it's kind of exciting. It's kind of cool when
when these major artists come through. But you're right, stadiums

(01:53:53):
are the currency these massive acts are trading in now,
and because it's so expensive to tour, these stage setups
are just ginormous.

Speaker 9 (01:54:01):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:54:02):
I saw this at the Kendrick Lamar show. There's huge
screens and and he's got these he's got he's got
a car on stage, he's got these giant steps that
he's sitting on and performing off, and then there's pyro
and fireworks going off constantly. Like these are expensive shows
to put on and bringing that down to New Zealand
is tricky. That's one of the things the government is

(01:54:26):
trying to help out with and address there. So I
can understand why they're not coming. But you know, most
of these acts have been to New Zealand before, they've
played before. You know, I really hope this is just
a blip, that we've recognized it, and that you know,
in the coming years we'll get back on that touring
map and we'll be able to see them again. And

(01:54:46):
I don't have to keep coming to Australia because it's
a lot more expensive, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
Say, especially when you've got to buy a new pair
of shoes. Hey, thank you so much. Have a wonderful
time at Gaga to and I make sure you hydrate lots,
and we look forward to hearing if indeed Gaga Stadium
Tour makes for one of the best nights of you
and life as well. That is Chris Shultz, our music reviewer.
His substack is boiler Room. Of course, we'll be back
in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
A cracking way to start your Saturday. Saturday morning with
Jack Team news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
Ev Iran, Egypt and Belgium. That's who the All Whites
will be facing in the pool play of next year's
FIFA World Cup. After the draw was held in Washington,
DC this morning. Darren Baisley, the All Whites coach, is
going to be on Weekend Sport right after the midday
news chatting with Jason pine We'll get his take on

(01:55:41):
how he thinks that draw is shaping up from the
all Whites perspective, what the chances are likely to be,
and of course Piney will be counting down to the
A League Derby this afternoon. The Phoenix and Auckland FC,
thank you so much for your company this morning. Thank
you for all of your myriad examples of language and
usage eras that grind your gears. I've enjoyed that this

(01:56:03):
morning for everything from our shows said dot co dot
inz is the place to go. Thanks for my wonderful producer, Libby.
We're going to be back with you next Saturday morning.
Until then, I'm gonna leave you with Lady Garga. This
is how bad do you want me?

Speaker 10 (01:56:18):
You have rets of Jesus the Lasting? How bad do

(01:57:08):
you want me?

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
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