TMI: The Enemy On My Head

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it shit Boy my son in general.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of TMI.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Name new Energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon, I'm.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good, Actively Black, Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I love the activity.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, yes, yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
That's how things.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
And I can't even say anything because you put me
on and you was telling me you need.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
To be and I was like, Okay, I got to
get that's right. I love actively black. That's our people.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
So the State of the People Power Tour is in progress.
And you know, for people who don't know, the State
of the People Power Tour is an effort that came
out of the State of the People twenty four hour
marathon that ran at the same time that Donald Trump

(00:58):
was intending to do his what he did his State
of the Union address. We said, they're gonna be lying
and fear mongering and hate throwing. It's so funny because
anyway else say they said, that's what we said. That's
what they're gonna be doing over here. We are going
to be organizing, educating, in forming our people and you know,

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coming together in community. And I just really have to
give a lot of credit to the entire State of
the People family because it is certainly a labor of love.
A lot of people are involved and working twenty four
hours a day under the guidance of our drill Sergeant Captain,

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which is Angela Rye, who has been keeping us going
from day to day. Angela absolutely we have to have
her on to talk about, you know what we have
been able to accomplish as a team, and she's really
really committed to keeping us on tasks, making sure it
doesn't fall apart that people don't be like, oh, I'm busy,

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I got this going on. You know how we do
it always takes somebody to drive the mission, and she
definitely is taken on that role. And I know how
hard it is because as you know, I often am
in that role and you know, it gets to be
really difficult.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
But the State of the People.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Power Tour is now a tour across the country that
really is designed to examine our power right which we
know we have people locally have been doing work for
a law.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
They've never been able to depend on systems.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
It doesn't matter who's in office, Democrats, Republicans, whoever. It
is maybe in their local town, it might be an
independent they still have to have systems in place to
ensure that the Black community specifically and of course other
vulnerable populations. But this is about black folks that they

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can survive sustainability. And we have never ever been able
to rely on the government to do everything that's necessary
on a hyper hyper hyper local level.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
For our communities.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Now you have some people who get in charge and
they make things worse, and some people who marginally or
incrementally make things better or at least they don't do
much harm to our communities. And that's kind of where
we find ourselves. And I respect that there are people
who are just tired of participating in that cycle. So

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the State of the People Power Tour is not about
who you're voting for. It isn't about that. Now for
some people locally, it is for them because they have
people that they got, you know, running for office, and
you know, people who they believe are better for their communities.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
And that's fine.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
We're not in any way in charge of at This
tour is not endorsing any particular candidates.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
This tour is not about that. It is really about.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Building power and being in community with our people traveling
the country, meeting folks who have solutions, because again, these
people have been doing this work. They're like, hey, you know,
we know this is pretty terrible everything that's happened in
this country. But over here we have farmers' market, so
we know how to feed one another. We have jobs
that we've created, community senses, anti violence programs, ways to

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govern our own communities. You know, we do all that
over here. So we going around the country finding our people.
Some of them we know, others we're meeting in this
process uplift their work. We have these big platforms million here, million,
this one a million people, that one a million people.
All these different organizations have so many people, so building

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power is important again being in a community. And then
you have people mice who are seriously afraid they may
have been impacted or they're in a situation. Maybe they're
in a job because black folks are in jobs where
they're the diversity, equity and inclusion rollbacks are impacting them,

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so they've either lost their jobs. It's a lot of
black folks that may not be talking about it, but
they might not be talking about it publicly, but they're
certainly calling us behind the scenes, saying they're threatening us,
they're changing everything. They take out black, take out specific
language that's for our communities.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
You know, these things are happening.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
You got people who work for the federal government that
are being terminated.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
You got folks who are feeling it and they know.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
And a lot of times, because of the lawsuits, they're
always telling you don't talk too much about it because
it's not much you can say when they're fighting to
get you reinstated, to get the federal workers back.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
So, but there are a lot of people who are afraid.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
There's some people none of that's happened to They just
sitting back watching and they're saying, what in the hell
is going on?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I'm afraid.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I'm scared, and we don't want our people to be
out there feeling like the movement has somehow gone, you know,
black or whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Dark dark is a better way to describe it.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
No, we're still active, we're still organizing, we're still meeting,
we're still strategizing, and I think I love this.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Angela says that this tour is a love.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Letter to black people that were still here and we're
with you, and you are with us, and we're in
this together. And when I think about the people who
have been major players, I mean, there's so many people.
I do not even want to get in trouble by
naming the folks, but I do suggest that people go
to STATEOFTHEPPL dot com, that state OFTTHEPPL dot com where

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you can learn more about those folks who are engaged,
people who are organizing. And you know, many of you
have already noticed that there is a meme where you
see more and more black people saying I'm in, I'm in,
I'm gonna participate somehow in this tour. And so it's
ten cities, which is the initial part of the tour.

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There's to be more to be done afterwards everywhere we've
already kicked off in Atlanta, also North Carolina and moving
forward to New Orleans, to Birmingham, Alabama, to California, Alta,
Dina specifically going to Detroit, Michigan, and you know, doing

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some impactful work. And I know they have more places,
but again, go do the research, check it out, find
out where you can come. Newark, New Jersey, Louisville, Kentucky,
which our organization Until Freedom is really engaged in those
two cities and a lot of people, people with all
different skills and backgrounds. That's what I love on one
thing about trauma. When your community or when we get

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hit with trauma, the one thing we will do is
figure out how to come together. And what I love
about the State of the People Power Tour is that
you have people working together who are like blona fide grass.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Roots, down to the ground activists.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
I'm talking about the ones that you see them and
they you will never see them in a room with
other people. But then you also have folks who are
in the you know, the the more considered to be
let's be clear, you know, talented tenth whatever that means.
I don't I take that back, that's not even a thing.

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But people who may see themselves to.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Be very elite and and and and.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Their work, the black bougeoisie, I don't know, they don't
really like well.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
They don't like being quoted.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
But I'm saying the grassroots will normally considered the big
wazi or the black BOUGEOISI. I mean, it's pretty much
understanding that we need each other.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
We're at a time in history where all people black,
old people in marginalized communities really realize.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
How all people realize.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well, I'm just saying the majority people realize the times
we're in, you know, and if you, if you've experienced,
see what's happening is this those who have experienced the
luxuries of you know, being able to benefit from the
accommodations made in our constitution and being able to benefit

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off d and be able to go to school based
of dr and be able to get jobs based off
those situations, not because they weren't smart enough, because they
didn't have opportunities, and opportunities were provided for them. And
now they're able to create generational wealth or were able
to create general and seeing those things diminish and just disappear,
and those who've never had that are now realizing that

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they're on the same exact wavelength. And now they have
to come together, and we have to come together and
create what the agenda for Black America is and be
united in that. And like you said, it's trauma. Unfortunately,
we always unite in trauma, you know, And that's why
we say, Look, we look at situations. A lot of
people say, you know, this Trump presidency, you know, even

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though it's way worse than the last one, it's what
it's going to take to make us revote in the
manner that we need to to come together and create
what it is that is necessary for black people. And
I think this is one of those steps in which
we go into different states, in different towns and we're
getting the agenda and find out what do you believe
that we need to be doing.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think that's what's always been an issue. You know,
we all have our individual and say, well, me and
my people we need this. What do we all need
collectively that we can have So it doesn't matter who
the candidate is, right that we come to and say, hey,
this right here is what we need. Black people all
around this country say this is what we need, you know,

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and when they realize that that's what it is is
going to take to get our votes and to move us,
and then we could create our own candidates, right because
now we have a prototype of what it is.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
So we actually growing our own candidates.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
We're growing our own electiveficiers because now we have a
blueprint of exactly what we want. We're sending our kids
to the schools, we're educating them the manner we utilizing
all of our skill sets because now you have those
that have been in the suites and those have been
in the streets, and they're getting a little bit of
the people from the streets and they're gonna teach you
how to fight there. And then they're telling you the
sweets is telling you how you navigating that strategy, strategizing,

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And that's what it's gonna take. It's gonna take a
very nuanced, complex, multi you know, intersectional movement for us,
because that's what they've done. They've created, They've created someone
who has the will of their poor people right to

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the will. He appeals to the fact that they feel
like they've been disenfranchised.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Then he appeals to the white supremacists who want who
have money and the money will want to be white
supremacishos who just want to focus on money, and you know,
and they appealing to everything. They appealing to the lower
viperation and every one of these people, right, And that's
what America. America is so built on low viberations that
you know, it seems like the majority, but it's not,

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you know, just because that's what media and social media
teaches us or promotes to us. That's what we need
to focus on. The more lower vibrational thing we got
to focus on. If I don't got money, then I
ain't got this. If we ain't got sex, if we
ain't got this, if we ain't hoarding.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
All of the resources we need. It's only us.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
We like, there's a whole world, and they have made
us believe America America first is such a crazy thing
to me, because we have a whole world with billions
of people in it, and we're sitting there telling people, Nah,
we're gonna we're gonna alienate it.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
We're just gonna focus on them.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
That that ideology in itself is a failing ideology, right,
because we're supposed to be it's resources.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Is.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
When we travel outside of this country, right, and we
visit other countries, we realize how beautiful it is, how
many different nationalities, how many different cultures it is. Why
would we want to isolate ourselves to just America for what?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
How does that benefit?

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Why would we want to not want to trade with
other countries and build with other countries and be unified
with other countries and not have to focus on we
got to have four or five allies because we might
have to go to war and every week, every week
we got it, like it doesn't even make sense. And
but that's what they have succeeded in doing, right, because
people are disenfranchised, and they are purposely disenfranchised. They've created

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all of these things about the immigrants and this, and
they tell you that the reason why you ain't got
stuff because the immigrant's got it. But they stealing billions
of dollars and they make billions of dollars and they
able to spend two hundred million a day on shit
that makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
But you don't have nothing.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Because the immigrant that came here that didn't have nothing
is trying to get a job, and they make you
focus on him and not focus on the people who's
really stealing from you. But this is what America is.
And I think in this time right now, blacks need
to be on on cold, on Q and on point
about what it is necessary for us to get to where.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
We need to be.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
But it's gonna be some people who gonna say, well, well,
ice Cube, he had a plan, and he put the
plan forward and people didn't follow or support. And y'all said,
I want to remind folks that because I saw somebody
tell a lot the other day that I and no, no, no,

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what I said was timing and everything. And when you're
in the middle of a moment where Lucifer is trying
to become president in this very second, right, my thing
because he ain't do nothing about anything, but.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
He was strategic about that.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
But but okay, fine, whatever.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
What I said again, let me repeat myself, is that
the time to present the plan is when there was
nine hundred thousand people running for the Democratic nomination, Right,
that was the time to present the plan so that
you could find somebody of those.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Even if it wasn't a Democrat, it wasn't Trump. Right,
if you if you were saying to yourself that you
liked the Republicans better, they were saying Republicans, it was
actually something at that time.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
But remember they didn't I think they had a primate,
but they were decided.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Pretty quickly he was going to be the guy.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
When I'm saying that, I'm saying that there was a
time when there was nine hundred thousand people running, and
all I'm suggesting is that that was a great time
for us to know that you had the plan, so
we could go force the people to do the stuff
that's in the plan.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
One last thing and number two is that some of
us might have wanted to see the plan, so we
could have actually helped promoted.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Because if it's a plan for black and America, yeah,
it should be a.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Bunch of people that know about it.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
And sit around. It should be hundreds, not thousands of
black people that feel.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Like to understand that you don't go meet people about
your plan. That's us.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, I mean it wasn't good. I think it was good.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
It wasn't good thing.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I think it was a good faith.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I just think that when you understand, organize it, and
when you're doing something by the people and for the people,
then the people got to be involved.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
So the hints the target boycott. From day one, we've
been trying to keep everybody informed of everything.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's not it's not easy. It's not easy.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
So from my thought of the day today, so you know,
there's a lot happening with Bully Trump and his co
partner co president.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Where is have you seen Elon in Alaska? I ain't
seen Elon. Elon said y'all messing.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
With don't figure it out?

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Said, look y'all, bread man, and I bet you some
other people probably called the white said.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I haven't heard from since Vin was talking about him.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, I bet you. So white folk called down.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
There to the White House and said, y'all have to
get this man out of here because he is too much.
He's probably you of it to you had a changeaw
which I didn't even know that. So just what I'm saying,
that's what I'm saying. So we ain't heard from him,
But that doesn't mean he's not still doing this thing.
Plus they don't already allegedly, uh you know, took what they.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Needed to take.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
So I ain't heard from since then.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's just it's just where's he we should do? Where's
Elon Musk? Right?

Speaker 4 (17:40):
But he definitely needs to be gone and not but
until it's an announcement that he's absolutely gone, then he's
not gone. And Trump said the other day, oh, well.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
What do you say?

Speaker 4 (17:52):
He said, no, you know, he's very talented. You know,
at some point he was going to have to go back.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It ain't been a year.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
At some point you got to go back to work.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yeah, Stopt, we know three card Malli.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
We saw that before.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
So we're from New York City. We know exactly about three.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Car We know three card mally so any who, AnyWho?
I was thinking, you know, because we've been saying as
it relates to this whole Target situation, which, by the way,
a bunch of.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Non believers, Oh you know everybody? Why not everybody? But
there were people why Target?

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Why are you doing this first of all, trying to
get folks to focus on sixteen things at one time.
It has not ever worked. It's just we just and
the way that the world moves in the speed of lightning.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
If you don't have a focus on something.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Your your attention deficit disorder can just take you spiraling
out of control. So we know what we were doing anyway.
So with that being said, but as we've been talking,
and I told you that in a conversation with a

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meeting that we had with the Target executives Nina Turner,
Jamaal Bryan and myself, we asked, what is the difference
between Target and Delta, Target and costco right, because those
folks have said ten toes down, we staying with diversity, equity,

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inclusion right now, they need to say they're gonna do better,
which we can keep this. There's levels to this thing,
but they said they're sticking with it. They're not getting
rid of their programs, So what is the difference with Target?
And it made me and when I said it on
the call, sure, I believe that I know, but it
becomes more crystal clear to me as I watch Harvard

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because Harvard is being bullied. Donald Trump says he wants
he gonna hold two billion dollars. Now he's up to
another billion, and Harvard said, listen, you can go, you
can kick Rocks. We're gonna sue you, We're gonna fight you.
And we're saying, no, we're not in the world.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
That's why they do produce very very good lawyers.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
But there's some great lawyers that are coming from HBCUs.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
And other Right, they do they do, they do.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
There's people who've gone to Harvard for the most part,
if they really were there, not just because somebody bought
their brought their way in because we saw that we
know how that was going down. But people who really
went there and studied, they get something from it. And absolutely,
so you're right, but Harvard said, Kickrocks not doing it now.
The funny thing about it, And by the way, Harvard

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has a an endowment billions of dollars of an endowment.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
That's what endowment to four.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Something happened, there's a rainy day or a situation. You
can still take care of your business and maintain the
institution no matter what's going on. That is a lot
of rules and this and voting and boards and whatever,
But nonetheless, that's what you have. You have a pocket
of money or a bucket of money that is there
to sustain you. Right, So they they basically like, let's

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play a game, because we know you you want to
bully us. But if we look the devil in his eye,
he a flee from you.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Is that not? Is that not the word? Okay?

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Columbia pretty much has said they was gonna do whatever
Trump wanted. Right they announced, we hear you, We're gonna
get rid of this and that and do we're gonna
do this to the students to put these rules, and
I mean they went along with a bunch of stuff
that was crazy and embarrassing. When Harvard said we're gonna
fight back and created or whoever created the Big Ten,

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which is a bunch of educational institutions that are joining
forces to fight back. Now, Columbia has sort of started
to walk back some of what they've agreed to. Colombia
is like, yeah, actually, we're really not gonna let the
federal government tell us take away all of our autonomy.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's their statement, quote end quote. Right.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
It took the courage of one to stand up, and
now that courage has become contagious.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
One became contagious.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Now other people are like, oh, okay, yeah, I can
stand up too. I'm gonna speak out too, I'm gonna
join the fight. And my thought of the day is
that we have to no matter what the nay says,
be people on your team, your family members, your friends.
People say the left and right, and you are telling

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you this ain't gonna work. While y'all in Target, what
about John and this company and that company? Yeah, them companies,
they also need to be on the list. But it
takes you to be able to show one, just one,
just one. Since we as black women especially like to
go to your store and we walk around for four

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five hours and we became besties with you because Michelle
Obama said y'all was Tarja. Somebody reminded me of that
the other day. Michelle Obama said, y'all was Tarja, and
we love it, We love you, and we up in
there spending money, and you got the audacity, first of all,
to say you're gonna roll something back and didn't even
meet with the business owners or the people the community.

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And you want to meet now, maybe you should have
met before, but you would have had to respect your
consumer base and respect the people who actually are helping
to keep your company in one of the top whatever
number they are of those big box brands.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
So for me, it just.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Reminds me and it underscores that we are on the
right issues. That if you are a company who has
decided that you want to stand with those or at
least try to somehow seem like you're on the same
page with this administration's racism, bigotry and oppression suppression of people.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
We have the right to say, we don't even need
to argue with you. Let's just take our little stuff,
our little bit of court.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
You don't need.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
You didn't even need it. You didn't even need it.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
So simple thought of the day is, it takes the
courage of one, and it takes the sometimes a precise
battle to be able to spread to others, to one.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Alert them we're not playing and.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Two show us the power of what we can do
when we come together.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Boycott Target, Boycott Target because Target is boycotting out.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know what I'm saying, We just we just following suit. Man.
You don't want us, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
We get it, man, You made you said, look, I'm
breaking up with you, and we said we know.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
They said we're breaking up, but we still got some
stuff for you. But it just we can't tell it.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
They just want to have sex with you. They don't
want to go with you. See, they don't want to
go with you no more, but they want to call
you a little booty call.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Here my time.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Forget it.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
You can't get none of this. Now you realize that
you've got that. We had that good good and you're like,
damn man, what we're going to do?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
No more booty called down up, break up with us
in the daytime and try to get a little bit
of at nighttime.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It ain't gonna work, man, So we on you.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Terrble moving right long? Do you have to see your
minde for today? Are people still doing too much?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
People are doing way way too much.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I don't know if this is too much right because
you know Trump's tariffs they have to like two hundred
and forty five percenting against China, and so we, I mean, this.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Is like not even making sense the word we're from.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
We're in the tariff war with a country, a nation
that we have allowed to outsource most of our things
with in hopes that now people in America saying, you
know what we're gonna We're just gonna build all the
things that they got and we're gonna find out. But
now what we're doing is we're eliminating the fact that
we have import export companies that are gonna be disenfranchised.

(26:27):
We have certain trucking businesses that they can go to
those docks to get through. All of these places that
have built their industries off the import export building business,
mainly going to China, are going to close down. So
the only thing you're doing is actually sacrifice it. You're
interchanging them, so it's not going to build anything, and

(26:48):
you're gonna end the relationship with the country. But that's
not even the thing. Right now, China has said, okay,
so we a war. So what I'm gonna do is
let y'all know them the consumer dollar bags y'all paying
for they made right here in this little factory for
about thirty forty dollars and if you want them, we

(27:10):
can ship them to you personally. Since this is what
y'all want to do, we gonna let you know the
back is made in China and ain't made in whatever
you think it is. And we got them right here.
They charging you fivey ten thousand. We got them for
about fifty one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Man want fifty hundred, They charging fifty hundred.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
And they on every site letting you know this this
the game y'all want to play. They playing dirty? So
are they doing too much by exposing? Because I think
that people are stupid anyway, Yeah, y'all, y'all love to
spend more money because if it's saying costs more money,
y'all say, it's more value with So they let y'all
know that they be playing y'all, and some people won't

(27:52):
be like, I'm not buy it. And it's the same day.
This is this is how we have been conditioned to
just do bullshit. It's the same bag if somebody put
the same exact bag and they tell you this bag
right here it's five hundred dollars and this one is
fifty thousand. Some people will say, dont want that fifty
thousan fifty thousand dollars bag.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And you're gonna buy it.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And so I'm just saying to myself, is it even
gonna work? Because we so materialistic and we want to
have what's called high level fashion anyway, that want my
end high end and whatever it is high end fashion
anyway that people gonna still want to pay five thousand
dollars for the thirty dollars bag?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
So are they doing too much? Are they wasting their time?
Is it gonna make sense?

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Are we gonna fall for or we're gonna because listen
to me, China, let me get about ten twenties bag.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Because I know I can sell them here.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Now, but you can't sell them because the logo is
not going to be on them.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
See that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
The reason why the bags cost more money is because
the people like Hermez is one that are trying to
put this information out about Hermez puts they first of all,
this is so crazy, which when I was watching the video,
I said.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Who They said, China ships the product to Europe.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Europe puts the stamp and the serial number and all
the hardware on it that comes from this count from
from her meds and her ear maz and then they
send it over here to America.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
So when they send it over here, they send it
from Europe.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
So you think you get used some European stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And really that's what China said.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Now did they go over here and they put it
made in Europe and then the shore.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
They don't say made in Europe.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I think it might still say made in China, or
maybe it doesn't say it at all, because I'm imagine
they paid him a little more to take everything off
of it. I have to look because I am a victim.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I'm not a victim. It's by choice. It's by choice.
It's my choice.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
But I'm not a person that says, I'm not willing
to buy this fire one hundred dollars thing. I'd rather
the fifty thousand. I have all of it. I got something.
I don't have nothing fifty thousand, but I have all
of it. I have high end stuff supposed you know,
quote unquote with the logo, and I have things that
I value that are very good quality, that comes from
different people, and especially black folks, that cost something that

(30:18):
is much more reasonable.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
So I'm across the spectrum.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Just to be clear, however, I am one of those
people who have purchased things that are very expensive and
it came from this brand and that brand. So I'm
just saying that when target targeting, when China puts this
information out, it does make you sit back and be like,
this is very interesting. They send it to Europe, and

(30:45):
in Europe does yeah because you don't really care. You
will wear a little bit of name brand, but that.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Ain't your thing because I realized that somebody is jerking,
somebody is skimming and.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Skin It's funny.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
That was funny when you.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
When you start selling clothes and you get into like fashion,
start realizing that you go downtown and people is buying
twenty three, they bring it up town they.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Selling for two hundred.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
So if that's just happening in that in the micro,
I know what these people is.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Making and how they doing it. So listen. Might be TAMN,
but might not be.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
There's that, it might not be tr min. Maybe I
think it's it. I think people need to know.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
This decision because there are people out here that kill
over this stuff and die over it.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Work.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
They whold life, won't buy nothing else before they get
whatever this thing is that has a symbol of status.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
So but that that was you, That was a good one. Yeah,
that was very.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Now speaking of where folks are getting products and stuff, man,
I tell you they're trying to kill us.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
This lady that is coming.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Up right now, our next guest is about to talk
about something that's really serious, like our health is at risk,
for people's greed, for people's lack of care, and again,
a lot of stuff that we're getting from other places
around the world, they really don't care if it's killing

(32:13):
black women and killing black people. And so we're about
to learn a little bit more about that. And like
I said, it's really personal for me because I'm one
of the individuals who needs needs the service that this
woman is coming up to talk about. So this conversation

(32:33):
that we're about to have is so serious. I don't
even know if we've ever talked about anything on this
show that's more serious than that than this.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Because my health is at risk.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I love me some braids. Got to have some braids.
This is part of my lifestyle. And even when I
have my bundles in my head, there's braids under new
So there are literally braids in my hair probably three
hundred and fifty five day fifty what is it, three

(33:08):
hundred and sixty by d about three hundred and sixty
days of the year I have braids in my head.
I just want everybody to understand because I only got
about five.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Days of all through a whole year.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Of taking it out, maybe a night of letting it
just be free. But I keep my hair done. So
I'm trying to figure out what's going on. So we
have this sister who is here with us today, Kadija Doso,
who is the CEO and founder of Doso Beauty, and
that is a company that is the first clinically tested,

(33:48):
non toxic, hypoallergenic braiding hair and organic hair care brand on.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
The market, the first.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
That's what I'm taking A young beautiful woman who you
have been recognized by Forbes thirty Under thirty, Refinery twenty
nine and you name it. I think you also won
the competition with what's his name, Pharrell.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, So you're like.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Making headway, making headlines, one point eight million dollars in
sales and your company just started in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
No, we started in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Oh, in twenty eighteen, Okay, But twenty twenty four is
when you begin to get the recognition. Yeah, got a
lot of recognition in twenty I mean in these past
two months we've jumped by eight hundred percent of sales. Okay,
So it's a lot happened in what you were saying,
the political dynamics are shifting people's focus towards black businesses. Then,

(34:48):
of course, health is a thing. And I love knowing
that you guys started in twenty eighteen because what that
consistently underscores for our young people and for other people
who think that this is the social media it pops
up and just happens.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Era it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
People are building things for years before we see the
finished product and before you actually get the credit. So
you're saying that for six years you were moving around
and doing stuff, but you begin to get a focus
and the recognition in terms of headlines and whatnot in twenties.
So it took you six years twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Four, it's definitely been a culmination. That's okay. Just you know,
because we deal with people every day.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Tomorrow you're supposed to be rich, Like they're like, no,
I just did it. Why ain't got the money because
you ain't put the work in. You got to struggle
before you could really strive. You don't understand. They don't
understand that that was a bar. So you got to
struggle before you can strive.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
But I don't want to always struggle.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
But the thing is, you're building a house, like you're
building something. There's a foundation right before you building foundation
is mud, is this and that, and you have to
make it solid so that they just it don't blow away.
It's like the Little Piggy's houses man, you know three
all of them had different houses. When you know when
they built it. That brick though, it's gonna last long.
So you just gotta understand what it is that you're doing.

(36:15):
So that's why I'm saying we appreciate you because this
is this is the lessons that our kids need to
understand that there is a process, that it takes time,
because most of they just go on the internet and
they see people.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Go viral one day and somebody's viraling. You know, I
was popular.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I didn't even know. I woke up and I was
viraling out nos. But there are a lot of us
who had to do this brick by brick who had
to put the work in, you know, and there's a
story behind it.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
And the thing, the thing that I.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Always tell people is those closest to the problem or
closest to the solution. Right, So when you you created
this out of something of reaction that you had to synthetic, kids,
plain how that happened.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yes, So I was living here in New York and
I got my hair braided in Brooklyn and I had
a severe allergy creation. I mean there's something called dermatitis
bump so it's a little tiny bumps that you're like, ooh,
it's pulling.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Or so it was actually the braiding hair.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
I called myself being precautious by getting the clean therapy
like pre cleansed hair, pre treated hair. But the hair
is still super toxic. Most people don't notice, but braiding
hair includes lead, mercury, and a bunch of other carcinogens
that literally cause us cancer.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Damn. What is VOCs is that?

Speaker 4 (37:37):
So those are different compounded ingredients that help that they
basically help us to cause cancer.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
You know.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
So those different compounds and ingredients they are mixed together,
especially when you put other chemicals together, and the basis
of the connectulon fiber when they started to create it
in nineteen fifties something. It was built together, so it
can last longer, it can be shiny, it can take
to color, it can be flame retarded, heat resistance.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
So basically, it's toxic chemicals.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Toxic chemicals. Okay, So Johnson and Johnson. I think about
our brother, attorney Benjamin Krump, who is suing Johnson and
Johnson because clearly the baby powder, the talcum and other
things were not good for us. I think Revlon is
one of the other companies as well. So we know
that there's a history of these toxins, specifically harming black folks,

(38:39):
which sometimes I wonder, like how why is it? Everything
it just escifically, so I don't understand. Yeah, I mean,
so how why is it that the end, I'm not
saying that there haven't been white folks, white women who
also use talcum powder and they got you know, what
do we get cistus and things like that cancer cause insists.

(39:00):
I'm not saying that, but we know the numbers are
not the same, and I just try to understand why
is it?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Maybe you don't, maybe this is off topic, but do
you understand, like what is it that the products are
specifically bad for us as black people?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think for me, honestly, you really got to take
a look at the ownership of the actual industry.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
So most people don't know, but like almost eighty nine
percent of all ethnic hair care products are owned by
white and Korean men. Do you think that they researched
what might harm their own people and make sure that
it's not as prevalent in the product and they don't
care about the rest of the folks. I think they

(39:43):
care about time. I think they care about the speed,
how much money they can make off of it. But
as far as health is concerned, I think that's the
last part on their list.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
No matter what.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I'm making it not to say, but who is really
getting braids? You know what I'm saying, the white girls.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Are using And I was talking about tau compowders.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
So I'm all to Johnson and Johnson kind of you know,
just thinking about like Johnson and Johnson and Reblin there
is a specific impact for black women with those products,
black people with those products, and a lot of times
black men are impacted too because black men can get
cysts and you know, cancer cause and sist.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
But never talk about it.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
And that's why the death rates are so stark because
most of the men are not taking care of themselves
properly and not getting the proper checkups and all of that.
So by the time they're gone the research and the
process of treatment and all of that, it's too late,
you know. So it's so there's a lot of disparities there.
But I was specifically thinking about why some of those products,

(40:46):
all the toxins harm us the most. But to your point,
all of them, back to your point, across the board,
they're thinking about how to get these product make the
most that they can, so they want to spread it
as much as they can in which means you need
to put synthetic things. Let's go back to I learned
a little bit from New Jack City and juice not juice,

(41:08):
what's of belly and all of that that when people
making drugs they put products in it that makes it
look the same, but it's what is it lower quality
that stretches it out, Like we know, we saw them
cook it up, you know, bacon powder, bacon soda was
a part of that, right, and that so that that
so we know infence and all is now something that

(41:29):
is being used to stretch drugs and it's killing people.
So this is a problem, Like what is the FDA involved?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
So that's the thing. Like the other part is that there's.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
No FDA regulation about around cosmetics, especially the ethnic hair
care products that are around there, so people can like
I had the allergic reaction. Again, it's said clean therapy,
it's said that it was pre cleansed.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
But that's just marketing.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Anybody can can mock up a PDF on canvas and say, oh,
I'm gonna print this out and put it on the packaging.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Anybody can.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
There's no regulation the braiding here that were using my
hair itching right now?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, I feel like I'm cratching. I wasn't even in
that engine.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
So you're saying that there's no body. No. And by
the way, have you ever seen Painkillers? No? No?

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Okay, so you have to watch Painkiller. You have to
watch Painkillers on Netflix. God, we've been telling you about it.
But you find out at the end of this documentary
that the guy from the FDA who was continuously denying
the Percoset family, my line, my son their application over

(42:39):
some year, no no, because he knew that it was
addictive and harmful, and he was like, nah, this is
not good for people.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
They met him somewhere.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
It was this is a documentary painkiller, so they's supposed
to be true information here. They met him somewhere at
a conference or invited him to come and kind of
see up close and personal what they do. There was
a meeting in the hotel room. The next thing you know,
he a year later, he approves their patent and then.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Quits the FDA and goes to work for.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
They paid him a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
The Sackler family, the Sacler family. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Okay, so the FDA don't even mean the thing, but
you're telling me there is no governing body.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
There is no governing body.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
So like, that's why it was important for us to
get our clinical trials because I wanted to make sure that, Okay,
my manufacturer wasn't just telling me, okay, this is non
toxic and hyper ologenic. I needed clinical trials to both
say that we are clinically tested non toxic and also
hyper ologenetic.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Wow, So what exact chemicals are there that causes like
these cancers?

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Lead mercury and a bunch of again other carcentergens. The
biggest part about lead and mercury. As we know, like
if lead and mercury aren't in any of the food
items too much that we have we consume, it can
cause us to have really really like bad health concerns.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
But those are just two of them.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
There's a bunch of PBBs and other VOCs like Tamika
mentioned that literally caused cancer. They also help to induce
other thyroid reactions as well too. Some people that have
fibroids as well too, they see flare ups. I have
so many friends, quite a few friends who are you know,

(44:40):
they have all of these different you know, feminine issues
that are you know, going on with their womb and
with cysts, and it actually makes it that worse, right,
because the thing about braids is it's not like you're
taking it on and taking it off. I'm keeping this
in for weeks at a time. My pores are open, right,
So whatever chemical that you sweat hair, I'm sweating, it's open.

(45:05):
Even coloring whatever, yes, color, Yes, it's color too, yeah, exactly,
so it's color the hair come.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
From that we use for our braid in here.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Please don't tell me, don't you know you know where
I saw something somewhere like it's like terrible.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
So mostly most of where everything else in this country
comes from is exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Where the braiding hair comes from.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
So most of the braiding hair is made in China
but sold by Korean people.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
So like there's this like whole I don't even know if.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Y'all, if y'all dig or peep and understand the hermes,
I mean, hermez, they don't.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
The Chinese is feeling everything.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
They said, actually you can get this from us for
twenty dollars two thousands, that's what they said.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, so it showed you where is being made.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Okay, there sitting across from each other, like it's crazy.
So the Asian Empire is just like a crazy conglomerate. Like,
so you got Chinese people, they own restaurants and all
those things. We have Korean people right who are notoriously
known for opening up beauty supply stores. They have trade

(46:19):
agreements with China where they can if my manufacturer is
selling it to me for a dollar, they're gonna sell
it to them for opinion. So I'm paying, you know,
one hundred percent more than what they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Sell it to their fellow Asian brethren, and people.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Talking about we shouldn't be doing business with each other.
And listen, we ain't got time. We don't got time
to do.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
They don't.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
I'm gonna help you because my goal is this. If
you ain't got this right, we're gonna fix it.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
That's right, We're gonna fix whatever you ain't right. I'm
gonna fix it.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Bring my money to look.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Okay, you messed up this time, but look this, and
once you show the need that you want to be better,
I'm invest in that.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
And that's what we have to do as black people
because that's what they do.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
And I don't know anybody who does not think that
every other ethnic group does. That is crazy, just because
they see each other as brother and sister. It's like
if my little brother is doing something, because why am
I not gonna invest in him, especially when I know
he got the skill set and the will to do it.
I'm going to bet on him more than I'm gonna
make sure you get rich. I'm I'm making sure that

(47:20):
I'm creating generational wealth. And and black people the only
people that don't want to and tell you, oh, I
ain't just doing it because you're black. I am I'm
gonna do it because you're black, and I don't want you.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
To be confused. You black, you doing something and I
need it. I'm going to you.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I believe in it, just the be reality of the
situation and we have and we don't have to be ashamed.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
To say that. Well.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
I think the other thing that's interesting, and I saw
something earlier today was about nepotism, right, like in the
sense of not just like familial but cultural nepotism. Like
there's nothing wrong with putting other black people.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I'm awful. That's why I want That's why I want
to make sure that Lebron.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Said, and I got opportunity and when my son want
to play ball, you could play.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yes, but you need to be good when you get there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
And if you not, then but I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
The opportunity of opportunity.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Because even the thing is this right, because people try
to tell Bron he wasn't good, right, all right, It
started out he was having he was going through the things,
and he created his son. You're gonna be able to
mess up a little bit. We ain't just throwing you
up because I control this. I'm the face of this,
and I.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Say, my son's gonna get something.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Okay, we're gonna send him down to the other league,
and we're gonna let you get Don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
You're gonna get it.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Look you listen, they're gonna talk crazy about you. That's
will come with the game. But you're gonna have every opportunity. Now,
if you fuck this up, it's on you because I'm
giving you every and next to you know, he was
going to forty and thirty and they was old, Ron, Nah,
I don't say that, because that's what you're supposed to
do to your son.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
That's what we're supposed to do with our kids. We
gotta let them.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I'm a soccer dad, So my son goes out there,
he might have a bad quarter, bad game, and I'm like,
don't worry about it. And I'm near every game, so
the coach know that I'm here for my Sony, y'all
gonna make sure that he get all the opportunities. I'm
ana scream at the top of my lung. I'm a
curse a the ref. I'm going to make him feel
so comfortable to be able to be one hundred percent
of hisself.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
And that's what we're supposed to do his parents.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, we're supposed to, right.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
I mean, so since we support you, tell us some
more about your products.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
So now you you have this product here that and
do people believe in you?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
How?

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Where do you think the click happened for folks starting
to support and respect your work? So I think it
was so funny enough. I conducted my clinical trials last
year well before, and Princeton reached out to me directly.
They found our brand and they were like, hey, we
could help to test your hair to make sure it's hyperolergenic.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I was always putting pressure on my manufacturer to.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Be like, yo, like, we got to make sure we
get testing, testing, testing for regulation, and so I decided
to do that way ahead of when the Consumer Report
just got released two months ago.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Once the Consumer Report.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Got released, people kind of are like, oh, well, I
don't have an allergic reaction, so it doesn't matter now.
Since that got released and it showed the breakdown of
all of the top ten brands that has black women
in a choke hoole and has had us in a
choke hoal like expressions like shak and go like all
of those brands. The exposure was there. So now people

(50:30):
are like, no, I need to find an alternative. I
have to find an alternative. So that was the really
big peak for me. But the preparation is why we're
able to do what we do, and while we were
able to grow by eight hundred percent, right because I
have the supply chain, I have the background. A lot
of the other non toxic branding hair brands, they're all

(50:51):
sold out of stop and they can't restop for months
at a time. But I've already had great trade agreements
with ups with my manufacturer to be able to produce
and purchase orders once a week and to get in here. Question,
so what is what is it going to be? The pushback?
What are the hair braiders saying? So, like my the
person who braids my hair, certain hair you she won't

(51:12):
use right now, I don't she. I hope she knows.
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and she definitely tries to use quality of everything and
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Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah, right, So I'm.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Sure I'm as soon as I called you gonna say
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always will be an excuse that we love white folks
or anybody else folks stuff.

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Have you heard some of that? Or you think that
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No, no, there is a lot.

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they would rather go purchase Expressions because they've been using
Expressions for twenty years rather than trying a non toxic
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you're touching it all day so you are now susceptible
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Ten because you're playing in the product all day long.

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Right, So for a lot of the braiders, right, what
they do is they send their customers to come to
us to purchase the hair directly, but we have a
program where you only need to buy twelve in order
to get thirty percent off, So it's not like it's
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you don't have to have stellar credit and you know,
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or right?

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And I'm like, no, man, no, not at all.

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And again it's a business acumen thing. So like I
went to Hampton for undergrad and study business. The more
and more i am speaking with braiders and I'm speaking
with salnes, a lot of them just don't have the
best business practices and understanding that every single product that
you pay for is a part of your cost of
good soul and so when you do throw that extra
piece of hair away, you are literally throwing money away, right,

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So I think it's more so about educating people and
then also right now they're putting the onus back onto
the actual customers or the clients to get the hair,
so that hair in your head is your hair, of course, yes, yes, okay,
well I don't have to try your hair, so they
a different type of technique or something that braiders need
to be aware of when it comes to your hair

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to help them loop it around better, easier whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
No, I mean, you.

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Can use our braiding hair just like you wild. You
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Tell me about the dipping process, because we thought I
thought that was really you know, making it good.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, problematic, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
It is, especially with the toxic braiding hair because you're
admitting all of it.

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You ever see the water and it's super cloudy.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
That's a bunch of those chemicals coming off of the
hair into the hot water. And so you can hot
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Our hair is super soft. It's lightweight.

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So really, if you want to get like medium not list,
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We also do have different lengths and colors too, so
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have our thirty two inches, so I have our thirty
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What's the price point difference?

Speaker 4 (55:23):
So our three bundle pack is thirty dollars right now
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Speaker 1 (55:32):
Good, But what you got, oh you're going to ask.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
So being a black entrepreneur and working and having to
sell you know, your products online and in different spaces,
how is do you affecting you? Do you feel like
it's affecting you? Do you feel like it's necessary.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Yeah, I think that I've been able to be the
product of twenty plus accelerated programs that were created and
curated for black entrepreneurs. So me being a part of
those programs, just like you mentioned earlier for Royal Williams
Black Ambition, I was the HBCU Grand Prize winner. If
there was not funding being poured into the foundation like

(56:14):
Black Ambition, then there would not be opportunity for me
to have money and capital to start and grow my business. Right,
So for me right now, I think I'm on the
other end of it, not looking to receive a bunch
of grants to get started, because we are doing well
as far as revenue is concerned. But now it's like
me pouring back into our community, right and so giving

(56:36):
back to the community, employing other people that are within
our community, in my retail store, in my actual braiding
salon in Philly, like being able to do those things.
And so I think that the other part that the
D and I issue I feel like and I come
from corporate too, so I worked at a really big
management consulting firm and I was a part of the

(56:58):
DR program because again I'm the HBCU grad and recruit.
Oh you mean to tell me that you, as a
black person, were in a dr program because you know,
if you let the internet tell it, black people didn't
get nothing from it, just all white women and that's it.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
No, So me as a black woman was a part
of a really really good program that filtered in from
HBCU students. So they go to the Hamptons, the Howards,
the more houses, and they picked the best of the
best there to start.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
And so.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
That was the That was the We've been trying to
tell people that we got to choose one thing or
the other. We're saying that it didn't benefit black folks,
but then we're saying we've got to support the black
businesses that are being impacted by either either it either
was impacted or it wasn't exactly and it was though,

(57:52):
right because I think the other part is it we
just talked about it, right, nepotism in a sense, right,
but in a good way, right, Like, Hey, if we
are disadvantaged people, and it's just like when you apply
for a grant, if you are from a disadvantaged community,
a marginalized community.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
It's a part of me you can check that bot off.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
That means that I do need a leg up in
order to get and have some sort of equal way
for the counterpart to. All their dads are partners at
the firm and they didn't even really have to apply,
So yes, we need those programs. I think it's super
important for all of the larger companies and firms to
still have all of those recruitment programs. And the former

(58:33):
job that I actually left, they actually just announced that
they were stopping their DEI recruitment programs. So now I'm
interested to see what consulting is going to look like,
because if it's all going to be whitewashed, or I'm
only recruited from all of the top schools that have
all the legs up, there's no diversity in thought and

(58:55):
in those rooms and all of the other really cool
things that y'all need to provide to these clients that
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Speaker 1 (59:05):
Now, well, honey, let the church.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
You said it.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Let the church say amen, Amen, and we appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
You are extremely knowledgeable, beautiful your product. I'm going to
start using and talking about I can't wait to put
it on my socials and tell the sisters. We leaving
the other people and we go in to a black woman.
There's nothing wrong with that. And I don't have space,
but I will find space to stockpile my braiding here

(59:34):
so I can bring it with me whenever I go
to get my hair braided. And you know, Kadiza listening
to you speaking on the diversity and he was the
one who said, we have to ask about diversity, and
I was like, well, maybe she doesn't want to talk
about that, but to know that you actually have history
and personal experience makes it so much better because you

(59:55):
said something that is so key. You said because I
was a part part of programs that were created in
the name of diversity, equity and inclusion. I was able
to get funding so that I could build and now
I am taking what I was able to accomplish and
help and helping other people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
That has always been the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Reason why diversity and equity and inclusion was established. That
was why some of these companies were forced to do
it because people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Called them out on not having it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
And yes, it's been infiltrated by white women in this
group and we get that always happened.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
They wear corn rolls.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
You're trying to act like Kim Kardashian at some point
started it. Okay, so we know, we know, we know
that it's always infiltrated. What we should be asking for
and what we should be demanding, is that you don't change.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
You don't take back diversity, equity, and inclusion. You make
it better, you make it stronger, you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Add more elements to it to ensure that it impacts
the most vulnerable populations. But some of us are so
crazy and we get caught up in I don't even
know whatever whatever they learned on the podcast somewhere that
you know, a YouTube that we don't need it, We
don't need it. So now what you're because you said
the nothing, I want to correct that you said.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
You said, we don't know. We're interested to see what's
gonna look like.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
It's going to look like how it looked before, and
how it looked before was white men were the leaders
and made all had all the money, and the white
women were their assistance, and black.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
People worked in the kitchen, worked in.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
You know, driver maybe and had these little jobs, which
is why they want immigrants to be moved because if
you have immigrants who are filling up some of those
spaces of doing a lot of the hard work, the
labor work, and then you have more black people becoming
more educated and entrepreneurs. Now you got to deal with

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us on a level, and the immigrant into becoming a
larger population. They're growing, they're having more children.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
So now you got to you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
What happens is white folks are being called to the
table that you can't have all of this pie for yourself.
So they said, we got to readjust this thing so
we can make America great again. Don't play with us
like we don't know what's going on. We should be
fighting for not just diversity, equity and inclusion.

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Thank you. I appreciate you for having me.

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I didn't even understand. I mean not to understand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
I didn't even realize the way that she was saying
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and the sweating and the paws and even the people
that's braiding like that was that was a deep, really
deep conversation. We just don't understand how our health is
being impacted by everything. Like right, it's at some point

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you I see where you get this German fold because
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Beauty. Yes, got me a little skin cream, you know what, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Gotta some stuff, man, she comes bere and give she
with me man, so well that brings me to my
I don't get it today, and it's it's pretty much
on target with a lot of the stuff we've been
talking about today. You know, we are in very serious
times and I just don't understand why people don't realize that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Right when we look at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Trump and shout out to Jolly, you know last week's show,
and he was talking about how serious and it's not games,
not fear mongering, how this is really happening. Right, And
I'm I'm a person that likes to study history, and
I've been looking at fascism, and I've been looking at dictatorship,

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and I've been looking at how these authoritarian governments were
actually established. Right, So because when people were saying that,
to me, what is fashion?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
What do you mean? What does dictator? What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
And then you look at the Hitler regime, right, you
look at the Nazis and what they did and how
they had a very clear strategy that Trump is sharing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
They made people lose faith in government, right, they said,
this government is not doing this for you, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Can do it. And he made you feel like he
was the person that was able to save you. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
He focused on the Germans and said, look, this is
what the Jews are doing, right, and we need to
fight back. They're doing this to you. These who are
invading our country. These people are doing these These people
are the enemy, and I'm praying for the little guy
and I'm gonna make Germany greater. Like these are the
same phrases that he used, you know, And what starts

(01:08:13):
happening is those who don't feel like they're impacted or
think it's just fear. Migrant is just government, it's the
regular thing, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
They just they're black.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
People that're just like, this is nothing happening, and they
just kidnapping people off the streets. Like two days ago,
I'm watching a little girl in handcuffs. Right as Ice
comes to elementary schools. They're literally arresting people with no
charges and shipping them to El Salvado to pretty much concentrate.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Whatever they got some places here where they're keeping them
and detaining entertain them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
And they have no charge.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Like, people don't understand how seriousness is when when you
can look at when the president is looking at the
Constitution and telling the Supreme Court, I don't have to
follow you, right, and they made a decision that they're
not even gonna follow the law. There's no checks and balances.
That is supreme rule. That means that the people have
no say over how the government is being rtten. This

(01:09:07):
is exactly what Hitler did. He completely disenfranchised, He eliminated
anything that would give a check and balance of what
he was doing. And this is what Trump is doing.
So as we look at this situation, I remember in
the movie Origin that Avid I think she released it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Did she direct the movie?

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
No, it's her movie, and it was it was it
broke down how racism and casts go hand in hand, right,
and how in the cast.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
System is what they did to villainize an enslave and
commit genocide against the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Jewish people in Germany.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
And there's one scene where it's in the bathroom and
there's there's a couple, you know, the man is a German,
I think he might have been soldier and a woman is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
A Jewish woman who could pass, who could pass.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
You know, and she's in the bathroom and people are
walking in to the bathroom saying, hey, are they rounding
up Jewish people?

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I think they're around up Jewish people. And then people are.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Just because the women are like in there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
But this young lady, she she was aware because she
had been paying attention, you know. I think because a
man was a German. I think he was a German
soldier and he was pretty much trying to protect her
and made her aware was going on. So when she
heard that she was she was looking around like what
But there were so many people who were just oblivious,

(01:10:42):
like this is not And then and then later on
you see these same people in concentration camps, and I
think it was to tell you how we are not
really identifying the seriousness of this moment. I think that
people are just they And then you have these social
media bots and you have people that say, oh you

(01:11:03):
you people just fear mongering. It's nothing, No, there is
something going on. When people can be kidnapped, When when
when the president can sit in the White House with
the president of another country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
That human rights abuses and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Then tells you, hey, nobody's going to send him back.
He's not going back. The courts are saying, of course,
and you and he's looking at hey, it's nothing I
could do. And they just playing this game in front
of the American people's face, like I don't care about
what y'all think, I don't care about this man and
his family. I don't care that we sent the wrong

(01:11:38):
man to a foreign country as a criminal that wasn't
a criminal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
I don't care that they have improved.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Level of due process.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
The fact that you can you can look at somebody
and say they have a tattoo and you can call
them a criminal based.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Off that, it's crazy to me. It's it's just unrealistic
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
And the fact that we are not taking it serious
enough and we're watching the fall of democracy, that any
sense pseudo democracs, any sense of what democracy look like,
it's actually falling by the waistline. And there are people
who are just saying, ain't nothing happening to me? Is
just it's just regular, and that's what they support. That's
what they want you to think. They want you to

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think it's just regular and everything. You know, you've been
sold for cheap. Today they just announced how now people
are gonna have to start paying back these loans and
they're gonna start garnishing wages, you know, because now the
school loans.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Oh, you got some people, some of your friends that
love that. They don't want nobody else to have nothing
they don't get but that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
So that means the mind state for me is that
you're willing to burn down the country and burn down
everything because one of two things you don't like, like
you're gonna give you would give the rings to somebody
that said I'm going to go in and slaughter everybody
because you like that the pipes in the building is

(01:13:02):
not good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
And super super and then fixed the pipes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
So you said we're gonna burn the building now, like
it just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Why were we not?

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
But it's not even burning the building down because they're
not trying to really burn the building down.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
They're just trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Strip it so that they can take over the building
and have a hierarchy that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
You might be able to live in the basement.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
No I know, but I'm saying they're not even they
think that they are part of Oh, they're burning it down,
We're gonna have to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Recreate and rebuild.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
That's not what's happening. What they're doing is burning you
out of your party. And maybe you could stay in
the basement if you're willing to clean the building. Because
they're moving in with their strategies and what they call
making America great again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
And I will say this and and and and really you've.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Said so much that's so powerful, mice so powerful, and
it just makes me so proud to really see how
much like you get it right. But a lot of
times people like the bully because either they were bullied
or they they were a bully. But that was on
the college campus maybe, or the high school school yard,

(01:14:08):
maybe in elementary school. Now we're talking about a nation
that you like, you attracted to Donald Trump being this
bully because you feel like this is what makes you
feel better about whoever knocked.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
You over your head when you were a child. And
this is real serious stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
And I laugh all the time that black people still
gonna do our boots on the ground dance. We're gonna
learn how to do it. I'm still trying to learn
how to do it. And you know, we gonna still
find ways to have joy. And I don't want to
take that away from anybody. But it's really not funny.
It's really not funny because those women that were in

(01:14:46):
that bathroom, most of them were not Jewish, they were
most of those women were actually German. There was only
probably one or two in this particular woman she was
ended up being killed than a firing squad, with her
children and her German husband who tried to protect her.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
And so she's in there and she hears them talking
and she.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Never reveals herself, but she knows that, oh shit, something's happening.
But those women were out there dancing and partying, and
they were in the bathroom freshening up. They were in
their version of the Boots on the Ground dance. They
was in there doing one two step. You know, we
having a good time. So while everybody is saying, hey,
are they rounding up the Jews? Are they getting ready

(01:15:29):
to put people in concentration camps and kill the's a
get a phone that we in here just enjoying ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
And when we look around, what they do to one,
they will do to the other.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Because when they say they hate a group of people,
they don't say it, but they show it. They don't
like the immigrants. Don't you worry, It's coming around the
corner for you. It's coming around right now. They are
not even telling you the numbers in terms of the
black folks who have been fired from their federal jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
They're not even telling you the numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
And we have been disproportionately impacted by the loss of
weight work.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
If you don't believe me, just as the heads of.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
All the labor unions who are now trying to fight
some and suing doing lawsuits, the Legal Defense Fund and
others who are pushing back to try to get these
folks back to work. I mean, boots on the ground
if you want. And I'm not telling you not to
do it, because I'm a learning but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Just know, just know it's gonna be in your ass
and yours.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
They got it in our hair. They trying to kill us.
We better pay attention. And okay, let me be quiet,
because I was about to say a conspiracy theory that
might get me in trouble. But I tell you what,
we better be careful what people are trading back over
here from all around the world once they get mad,

(01:16:52):
because we don't know we already they put it. The
toxins is going in our hair, and that is not
something that I don't want to spread a conspiracy on that.
But I'm just telling you while we're pissing people off.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Warn't there's no way that you can be successful when
you don't have allies. When you've made your allies, your enemies. Right,
when people don't trust you, it's just unreal. When no
country trusts you because you haven't proven you have proven
that you're untrustworthy, that you will say anything and do
something different. Right when people see that, then there's no

(01:17:28):
trust in you. So what happens is all of these
people that our enemies start joining against you and they
trying to figure out how do we eliminate you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
And when they talk about you, we talked about us
because we live here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
So I don't know how much y'all understand where we
are the situation that we're in, but you better start
paying attention. And with that said, it's the end of
another episode. We appreciate y'all. TMI is the number one
podcast in the world at TMI, show PC on YouTube
at TMI Underscore a show on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika the marriage and
I can.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Always be wrong, but we will both always and I
mean always, be authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
That's how we

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