July 1, 2024 • 39 mins
Dan and Aaron discuss the VAR used in Euro24 soccer and how that relates to other sports as they consider computerized officiating. The guys welcome FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher on to talk about all of the up-to-date NBA Free Agent movement.
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there was a lot about No I did. There's no
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I DVRD it to make sure that I would see it.
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But he did a great job. The series continues, Cavino
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making his mark on History. Chow is he to host
the show? Show? No what it is? It's one of
the things that I've actually always wanted to do with
sports shows, you know, where they just have sports talk
people or history people comment on like top ten story.
Sure of course. Yeah, So he's commenting and This one
was about Arnold Schwarzenegger and his rise in icons in
the acting world. The Sylvester Stallon was another one they
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talked about. So Cavino kind of weighed in with his
opinion and information on there. But you know, they're like
sitting at He's sitting like against like a dark background,
but he's given his two cents in. That's that's the
type of show that it was. So it wasn't hosting,
but he was contributing to it. Something that, as I said,
I'd always love to do. And they're like greatest games
in college football history, and then they're like number eight
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and you're like, man, this game was the game of
twenty twelve. Yea, that those sort of things I've always
I've always wanted to do one of those.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
If I know anybody counting down twenty twelve college football games,
I will put you out, but it would be cool.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah. Number six, I like that, Uh Georgia Oklahoma Rose Bowl.
That was a great game. It was a Baker Mayfeld
the Heisman. You know that's some people say, yeah, man,
you knew this was going to be good because it
had Baker Mayfield in it. Like you'd just say stupid
stuff like that. All right, Moving on, we talked about
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Ronaldo and Portugal advancing. You heard Manci mention it. The
biggest news from this past weekend in soccer, at least
in Euro twenty twenty four, was the Vaar usage in
the video review that allowed Germany to get a penalty
kick in their match against Denmark and also allowed a
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Denmark goal to be wiped off the board because of
an off sides controversial calls. Video replay showed that in
this specific instance, Denmark was off sides truly, and I
mean this by a pinky toe. That's what it was.
That's how that's how definitive the replay was. They were
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off sides by a pinky toe. And then a finger
caught the hand or maybe a couple of fingers on
a handball in the box for Denmark that allowed Germany
to get their first goal just a couple of minutes
after Denmark had their goal wiped off. Whether you love
video replay or not, you have to understand how Denmark
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felt heartbroken with all of this, But in the reality
of what was transpired, it's not as much of a
soccer conversation. Aaron Is, I think that it is a
warning to the powers that be in the NFL and
Major League Baseball that technology isn't necessarily always your friend.
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And when Major League Baseball is on the verge of
implementing an automated balls and strike system, when the NFL
is looking at more ways to use replay, especially in
goal line situations, in short yardage situations, that doesn't always
It's not always a good thing. And I think this
past weekend showed some of the pitfalls that you and
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see in these other sports if you let replay and
video replay get out of hand, which I think it
was in soccer. Mean, there's there's no reason for that
offside's call to be called, but it had to be
called because the video replay showed that technically the Denmark
player was off sides because his pinky toe was on
the other side of the of the player from Germany.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, and it leads to you know, let me, I'll
just ask you this, And I know it's impossible to quantify,
but is sports better as the technology of replay has
gotten better? Because we see this in all sports, right,
we see the play in college football where we know
it wasn't really targeting, and you know there was no
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you know, ill intent by the defensive back, but by
the letter of the law, when you slow it down
into super slow motion, you got to make the call.
And I just feel, like I've said this for years
on these airwaves, is the further we've gotten into this
world of extended replay and advanced replay, I think the
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more controversies that end up brewing because it's to your
point is that you know, this is not the best example,
but Kevin Durant, you know, we can down to a
micro frame of his foot being you know, a quarter
of an inch to you know, on the three point
line as opposed to behind it. But it's just I
do think that as time go, as we have more advancements,
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I think it's created more controversy. I think it's created
more in some ways confusion. You know, you go to
some calls in the NFL, the the catch non catch,
you know, the pass interference in the Saints Rams game.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I can't say it has made the product better, but
I guess the best way to put it is just
the unintended consequences that has come as we've implemented more
and more technology.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I understand things are faster like things are maybe happening
at a more rapid speed. I think that the officiating
needs to be better, and specifically, like when I look
in Major League Baseball, I actually think that egos need
to be checked and if you're an umpires it's one
of the things that I actually think is great about
NFL officials is that I would love to see some personality,
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but there's no confrontations. You don't see a player and
a referee going nose to nose like you do in
a baseball game, or seeing an umpire trying to show
up a player or a manager because they felt that
that player or manager was trying to show them up.
Like there. I even think you get into the NBA
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a lot, but Major League Baseball is the worst. In
the NFL, you don't have stuff like that. But I
think the officiating has got to be better. In a
scenario here where a referee missed the call. There are
some that feel that the handball in the in the
match against Germany and Denmark is a call that because
it's a handball, it should have been absolutely should have
been made. At that point. A few years ago, you
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could have said, I don't know that's proximity of the defender,
the way that he was playing that you wouldn't call
that scenario a handball. You would use judgment in it.
What var has done is it's taken all of the
judgment out of it and you have to go by
the letter of the law. And I think if you
do that in Major League Baseball, you do that in
the NFL, I think you're going down a slippery slope.
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I think we saw it in replay of pass interference,
That's what I mean. Yeah, you know, it's of just
how they tried to do it after the Saints Rams game,
which was an atrocious call. And I think that the
only thing that would fix that is not to review
the play. Think of the like it was, it was
an obvious call for us. But I still think it
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takes a lot to say that would have been pass
interference first on New Orleans Saints. How about the referees
got to be better in that scenario? Sure?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Is that? I mean? Is that just too much to ask?
Do we do we need to make you know, everybody
full time and pay them, you know, a significant wage
where we just get much better officials. Do we need
to add more officials on the field, Like, those are
the things that we need that I don't think like
a skycam or a different video replay of something is
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going to improve. I just think we have to get
better in that way. And once you bring in video
and you bring in micro chips and do all this
other stuff, you really can't go back from it. I agree,
and I think that soccer is a pretty good explanation.
Jason Stewart is our executive producer. Automated balls and strikes
seem like they're not too far away from Major League Baseball.
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But you're not afraid of this technology. You're embracing this technology.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Not in baseball, and no in baseball, I'm very much
welcoming because what ten years ago baseball had a problem
on their hands, right, Because ten years ago we started
saying that umpires were getting a lot of calls wrong.
That's bad for the look of your sport when your
officials are seen making obvious wrong calls. And to today,
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over the weekend, we saw some bad calls and what
what what's the I guess the soft launch of the
total automated strike ball is that new system what do
they call it? In Triple A where they get to
appeal or they.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Get to Yeah, there's a challenge system, right, I don't
know what the name of it is.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Challenge system, and I'm all for that for a couple
of reasons. It goes back to what you had said.
I think that the umpires need a little bit of
an ego check. I want. I want to I want
those those umpires to know they got it wrong, and
for everybody in the stadium to point out the fact
that you got that strike call wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I want.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I'm looking forward so much to that I need a
mass humbling of umpires after all these years.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I just liked the days of this guy calls the
outside part of the plate. But we don't. We don't
have that anymore. Like it's all over the plate. Like
I I'm not saying that the stat thing that you
watch on your phone because you don't maybe have the
baseball package and you're seeing this pitch chart and baseball's
all over the place, beat that accurate. But I think
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a lot of the times they are close, and you'll
see sometimes balls be a ball and then a ball
that's a little bit more outside of the strike zone
be a strike. I want that. I feel like they
just have to get better, and I don't think that
we need I don't think that we need replay or review.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Granted, Jim Joyce would have loved it on The Perfect
Game for Armando Galarraga. But if we're sitting here looking
at you know, situations with a challenge of this and that,
and it's borderline and it touches the outside part of
the plate by just a little bit, Like is that
an automatic strike when you haven't called it throughout the
entire game? I think that contradicts some things. I just
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there's too much of it. I think is a dangerous
thing in the NFL. Spotting in the football. You can't
do it on any replay, So what you're only going
to do it on fourth down? You're only gonna do
it on goal one situations. How do you know if
the guy's knees down, if he's in the middle of
a pile and the balls across his knee could have
been down ten seconds earlier, you're gonna put things at
neepads now, Like I don't I don't understand on and
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this is like, this is the danger I think of
of replay in moving down, you know, going down the line,
you know like to that point, Jason of just if
there was a challenge and you watched on the plate
that it just just hit the corner like just just
a little, just barely, and that strike hasn't been called
throughout the entire game. I would feel like I'm completely
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cheated if I was a hitter and struck out on
that play.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And but but that kind of goes back to the point.
I mean, I think they're gonna do this like soft launch,
where they do the the uh, the challenge thing, but
I just want them to go right to computerize balls
and strikes. You still need the homeplate umpire to do
safes and outs and and foul balls and whatnot, but
strikes and balls should be black and white. Literally they
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should be called. I'm completely on the opposite side of
you on this one, Manzi Bilanos.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
So I keep going back and forth with this, honestly,
Like sometimes I'm like, bring on the umpires because you're
so tired of these bad calls.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But I think you hit it on the head.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Dan. It's like, I just want a little bit of consistency,
and it seems like it's all over the place, and
I think it is a slippery slope like, once we
open that door, it's just gonna keep getting worse and worse.
So I keep going, I can't make a decision. I
don't know what the right answer is. But I am
starting to sign more with Dan on this one.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It's just it's tomorrow. I'm gonna be with Jason.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I really I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't know what's better. Okay, But like the point
in baseball that I'll just bring to you again, if
you're throwing, if if the umpire is not calling an
inside strike throughout the entire game, and it's you challenge
the play because there was a ball that was inside
and it just nicks the plate. The video is going
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to say that was.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
A strike, right, right, And it's like you want the
human error to be a part of it when it's
that close, Like it's just a part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yes, yeah, yes, I ll on the outside that maybe
on the outside may not have been a strike. But
guess what, that entire game, it was called a strike, correct. Yeah,
And so now you're kind of bending the rules that way,
and that doesn't necessarily seem fair to the hitter in
that you know, in that scenario, if you're if you're
allowing or calling you know, the balls and strikes that way,
because that's what would have happened in this scenario. We
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talked a little bit about this yesterday when Carrie Rhodes
and I got together. But this is the thing about tennis.
You like tennis replays Aeron Torres, You ever see them
when they go ball in. You know, they have a
certain number of challenges and they'll tell if a ball
is in or out and it's just a quick yes
or no yes, and there's drama and there's build up
to it. They zoom in and then they show and
it's great television. It's quick, it's done because it's in
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or out. Yeah, it's it's that's the simplest form player
against player. Ball is in, ball is out. That's all
it is. With Major League Baseball in the NFL and
everything that goes with it, there's there's just too much leeway.
It's not like the lines in the in the tennis match,
we're called differently in the first four sets by a
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lines person, you know, on a challenge like that's it's
either in or it's out. And that's the problem that
that I think if you end up going to the
NFL and you're talking about spinning the ball. You're going
in Major League Baseball and you're gonna have to go
by the letter of the law. There's no leeway in that,
and that's not fun.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, and I think for football too specifically, Like you said, okay, cool,
that's where the goal line is, but where was his knee?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Where was this? Where was that?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I just think all this technology, there's been unintended consequences,
and I think the Denmark game is a perfect example
of sometimes the letter of the law like it's the
right call, but it really sucks. And I think that's
that's an issue we already have with replay that I
think is only going to get exascerbate.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That was the problem Denmark. Guys eight you look at
the diagram and the pinky toe is literally on that
side of the line, and that's what was considered off sides,
and they had to call it because you're you're bound
to call it from of course, what the review is.
I think anybody in their right mind would be like,
all right, that's close enough, except maybe you know a
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couple of people from Germany, but even still, like, I mean,
it's just so close to be able to tell it
had a big role in the match over the weekend,
and we'll continue to be a conversation. Remember when quest
Tech came to like the big leagues, like ten or
fifteen years ago, I thought it was I thought that
it was that long, and I within three weeks of
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it being used, everybody hated it. And I think that's
what you're gonna get in Major League Baseball. We'll see,
we shall see. He's Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Byer. Jason
Stewart's here, I was Sam sier Maaci Belanios. All hanging
out for Cavino and Rich, who are in for Dan Patrick.
Earlier today, we are a live from the Tireq dot
com studios. Some big movement in the NBA. Clay Thompson's
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found a new home, so has Paul George. What does
that mean for the rest of the league. We'll ask
an NBA insider next. Rick Buker joined this here on
Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's Cavino and Rich here a Fox Sports Radio Live
Forthetirech dot Com Studios. He's herein Torres. I'm Dan Byer.
We are in for Cavino and Rich who are in
for Dan Patrick. Monty Belanos is going to join us
for the latest of what's happening not only in euro
twenty twenty four, but what is a crazy, crazy time
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in the NBA. Clay Thompson on his way to the Mavericks,
Paul George is a seventy six er. And we're getting
some numbers on Jason Tatum's Supermax extension. Three hundred and
fourteen million dollars? Is that the official number? Manci?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I mean, it depends who you're gonna follow. Are you
following ESPN or Chris Haynes who reports for nbyon TNT
and Bleacher Report? But it's either three hundred and fourteen
or three hundred and fifteen. It's one of those two.
Basically Mucho di netro for Jason Tatum. But you know,
you win a title, you get a Supermax contract, the
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biggest one in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Can I just say really quick? Today? Of course is
Bobby Bonia day.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yes it is, well, no, because I remember when he
signed the contract, so I'm looking it up. Right now,
five years, twenty nine million dollars, and people were like, Oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The end a baseball player. He's gonna make almost six
million a year. Society as we know it is over. Yeah, No,
it's been over.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
This graphic that Bobby Marks put up, he's from ESPN.
Has Tatum ready for this? Making seventy one point four
million dollars in the twenty twenty nine twenty thirty season,
That's what I'm saying. Crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
It makes me want to cry.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Bobby Bonio was like, oh my god, thirty million over
five years?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
What are we doing? No, that's that's just Rick Bucher,
NBA insider, Fox Sports One NBA analyst joins us, you
know there are a lot of basketball questions, but I
know that Buker has a soccer background. Where are you
on VAR and video replay in the sport of soccer?
Rick Buker? Is this? Is it too dangerous? Do you
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have an opinion on VAR? It was a topic of
a discussion earlier here on Communo and Rich on Fox
Sports Radio. Are you a fan of how they use
video replay in that sport.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
When something is a goal or not a goal? I
love the V r Let's let's get that right. The
off side? Come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yes, yeah, his left ear lobe was off side.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Come on, but I mean, let's there. There has to
be a little bit of flexibility when it comes to that,
and we're just seeing too many goals that eyes on
the field are saying that it wasn't there wasn't an
obvious advantage gains the goal is good to like, Nope,
you know what, technically his the left the islet of
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his shoe was passed, so he was off side. It's
gone too far.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
That's just scarious. The best ball. No, No, let me
ask you this.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So y, we were talking earlier about the Klay Thompson
signing and we I swear we weren't trying to make
it into a Lakers segment, but we kind of made
it into a Lakers.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Look luck with that with anything?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, I mean, is it sort.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Of an indictment on them that the hometown kid whose
dad played for the Lakers that he chose Dallas, or
is just Dallas obviously coming off a finals run, just
obviously in better position to win at a higher level.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I'd say it's all of all of that. I don't
indictments are really strong accusation in terms of it's an
indictment that they aren't that good. Well, they aren't that good,
and they're a bit cap strapped as a result of
that or in combination with that, and so yeah, he's
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going to a team that in Dallas, that is obviously
a much much better team, and I would say it's
a better suited team for him. And I don't really
understand why the Lakers would want Klay Thompson at this
stage of his career. There were five guys on the Lakers, Spencer, Dinwiddie,
Tarian Prince being among them, Ruy Hatchimura, Lebron James, D'Angelo Russell.
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Those are the five. All of them shot a higher
percentage three point wise than Klay Thompson did this season.
And I know that Klay Thompson has all of that
playoff experience and championship pedigree and all of that. The
fact of the matter is, in the playing game he went
oh for ten from three point range. He's not the
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Klay Thompson that we have in our mind's eye that
was winning championships. And he really hasn't been that Klay
Thompson since he came back from the two devastating injuries.
The fact that he came back at all and that
he contributed to a championship team again is remarkable. But
if I'm looking at Coentavious called loll Pope getting a
three year, sixty six million dollar deal, and not because
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Clay turned down Orlando, but because they see KCP as
being a better two way, three and D type guy.
And I look at what the Lakers need in terms
of they need a three and D type guy with
probably the emphasis on being more than three, and that's
just not who Clay is now. Was he was the
worst defender in the regular rotation for the Warriors this
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past year, and it wasn't because they had all star defenders.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So I just.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
I think the market has told us to who Klay
Thompson is at this stage in his career, and I
just never understood how he would make sense for the
Lakers from the start, fundamentally playing in the same uniform
as his dad and the whole father son element with
bron Lebron and Bronni there. Okay, but what that last?
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That lasts to the press conference and then you actually
have to play, And I just don't know that Clay
would have made the Lakers measurably better or solved any
of their problems.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Rick Buker joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
herein Torres. I'm Dan byer In for Cavino and Rich.
I know Lebron. Sometimes the situation is, Dan, if you do,
damned if you don't. But Erin and I were talking
about did the moves of the Lakers make Obviously they
sure felt Lebron centric, But would that turn anybody off
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from joining the Lakers because of how much power Lebron has?
Could that be any factor in anything?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
It's been a factor for years. I mean, look at
the number of guys who had the opportunity to go
join the Lakers and ultimately opted to go in a
different direction. Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, and those guys come
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off the top of my head. There's there's certainly certainly others.
And the guys that have gone there are generally guys
that are looking to They're not in a great place,
they're not in demand, and they're like, well, maybe I
can go win something with Lebron and restore my restore
my reputation. And it's not really I don't put it
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on Lebron necessarily, but I probably put it more on
the media that covers Lebron, which is he just he
sucks all the oxygen out of the room. So if
you're a great or a notable player of your own
and you go play with Lebron, if you win, Lebron
is going to get the credit, and if you lose,
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you are going to get to blame. And so they're
just not a whole lot of guys that are looking
to sign up for that because that has been the narrative.
I'm not just making that up like that's been the
narrative for umpteen years now. And if guys have equal
or better choices, then they're going to take them, And
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especially now where we look at all you know, the
last three four years, where you know, you might even
put up with that if you thought I'm going to
get a championship ring out of it, but there's no
guarantee that you're going to get that or get anything
close to it now. So it's like, well, rather than
be the ape goat, I will let me let go
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someplace else and see if I can. Whatever happens, I'm
going to get credit for whatever we do more so
than I if I was playing with Lebron.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Paul George to the seventy six ers. Does that does
that in your opinion move Obviously Boston is the favorite
in the East going forward, we get that. Does this
change the hierarchy at all in your opinion beyond them?
Or is Philly so Joelle Joel mb dependent especially staying healthy?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Does that is that after this?
Speaker 6 (26:09):
I I it's this fair question, and certainly Philadelphia had
to make this move in order to even be in
the conversation for keeping pace. But I'm going to put
the New York Knicks as the next best team in
the Eastern Conference, particularly when it comes to matching up
with Boston. I believe I'm not sure that the Big
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three model ever really did work or was as definitive
about winning championships as it was made out to be.
I mean, if you even if you look at the
Miami Heat and when they put those three together, it
wasn't until they added a couple of key additional pieces,
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Mike Miller being one that comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
One hundred percent. I agree with you, by the way,
even Boston, like when when we kind of thought it
started with Alan here's in Garnett. Yeah, you know when
you had Posey Rondo Eddie House like yep, yeah, no,
I completely agree with you.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
So so my feeling is that what if if you
didn't believe it, then you should believe it now because
if you look at any of the most recent championship teams,
going all the way back to the Toronto Raptors, you
can't name a big three. We named big three's after
the fact after they win a championship. Now Chris Middleton,
Drew Holiday and Janna Santezkomporo big three, when we never
(27:31):
looked at those players in that in that vein before
they came together and won a ring. So and again,
it's as much Lopez and UH and googly eyes UH,
Bobby Portis and and any number of UH supporting cast
players that that that make for championship teams. And I
think the Boston Celtics have taken that to the ns degree.
(27:53):
I think the New York Knicks are are in that
vein and on the flip side. And my speed cohorts
got mad at me today when I made this comparison,
but I'm going to stay with it, I said. The
Philaelphia seventy sixers are more like the Phoenix Suns. They're
top heavy, and can you win? Can you compete for
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championships when you are top heavy? I don't believe in
this day of load management and the pace of the
game and everything else, I think depth and versatility is
the key. So for all of those reasons, I like
the Philadelphia did what they did because it keeps them
in the mix and it makes them interesting. But not
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only is Joel Embiid a health risk, but so is
Paul George. This was the first year in a long
time that he played anything close to a full season.
And so if you're a betting man and he's thirty three, now, like,
what are you expecting from him from the next couple
of years. It wouldn't be to average seventy to seventy
(28:56):
five games a season.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Not for me. Rick Buker joining us here on Fox,
it's a radio last one for me. I'm really intrigued
by this Chris Paul san Antonio deal. Ah, what are
your thoughts on the one year deal that CP three
signed to play with I love it.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I just you know, in a day and age where
we define everything by championship rings, I don't know that.
You know, it's pretty evident Chris Paul is probably not
going to wind up with a ring, but what he
has carved out for himself as being a mentor in
a lot of different places. And look at Shay Gilgess, Alexander.
Chris Paul had a big influence on on who he
(29:37):
ultimately became. And there's any number I can give you
a list if I thought for a minute in terms
of guys that he's gone in and he's had an
impact on by mentoring. And I feel as if if
this is going to be his last year or the
last year or two, like going in and playing with
(29:59):
Victor winb Yama and being a mentor, just a fond
castle and he fits the he fits the Spurs DNA
and their approach to business. Victor can protect him on
on on the floor defensively and he's going to make
sure that the ball goes where it's going to go.
So uh, I love it. I just I think it's
(30:22):
a great fit. It's it's low cost, low risk, high
reward for the San Antonio Spurs and uh, and I
give kudos to Chris Paul where he said I'm going
to go and I'm gonna I'm going to make an
impact in in a in a tangible way that uh
that's going to leave a mark in the league and
(30:44):
it and rather than go ring chase and see if
I can just add some some hardware to my uh
my shelf.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
He's Rick Buker, f S one NBA analyst Ironsetter here
on Fox Sports Radio. Rick, Happy Monday, Happy July things.
So much of the time we've talked against.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
You and thanks.
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Speaker 1 (31:27):
Come into and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is a tradition that Aaron Torres and I would partake
in that has kind of gone by the wayside. Iowa, Sam,
do you remember back in the day of going to
the going to the grocery store in Iowa and being like,
(31:52):
I'm gonna get that football preview magazine because Ricky Stanzy's
on the cover. Heck yeah, I remember that. I do
you remember I'm going to get that? And then you know,
in the corner, maybe there's like a golden golpher or
a Wisconsin Badger, but good old regional covers, Yes they were,
They were the best. Jason Stewart, you remember a time
where maybe you were purchasing that USC college football magazine
(32:15):
or maybe one of the NFL featuring some of the
greats from years gone by in southern California, sure like
and Smith's or something exactly what Danny and Tomlinson on
the cover Fantasy for sure. Manzi. Were you ever a
purchaser of a college football preview magazine? No, well you
(32:35):
missed quite the era. What what magazine you like to
would you be if you went to a bookstore and
they had a magazine.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Round Cosmopolitan there, it would be right there, Sports Illustrated
coming in in a close second.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
We have regional Cosmopolitan covers. Someone from southern California, you
go to Florida, someone different is always a big deal,
right just be It used to be Memorial Day weekend
was the earliest that you would see, but you would
have football preview magazines on the rack. Well, they can't
do that anymore because they don't release the NFL schedule
(33:11):
until mid May now, and you need to kind of
have a schedule when you bring out these magazines. But
Aaron Torre has told me a story and it piggybacks
off of my experience that it is more and more
difficult to find your football preview magazines in your local stores.
How did you get your magazine this year?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I went to Google dot com and then Lindy's dot
com from there and I put in my credit card
information and I purchased it offline. And I was so
depressed because, yeah, you go, and like you said, even
as of like three years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It'd be like Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And then it got kind of pushed back because now
it's a portal, you know, for college football, it's a
portal sports. You're adding guys in the spring. But now
I think it's the combination of it's a portal sport
with the magazine industry is dying with uh. Grocery stores
don't even carry magazines anymore. So I had to go
(34:08):
purchase it. And I don't want a PDF. I need
something I can hold in my hands.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Agreed. I am right there with you. I went to
the grocery store months back and the magazine section was
wiped out. It was in the greeting card section. You
know as well, We're like it goes up to a
certain point and then you have magazines. Oh yeah, And
to Manzi's point, there is a there is a there's
a beauty section, and then it kind of like blends
(34:32):
into something else but sports. The sports section is usually
by the hot rods, the hunting and guns and Ammo magazines,
and then you may have like a bikini girl in
a bikini on a car like that's that's where it
is in the football and baseball are right in those
(34:53):
areas well. Our local grocery store does not have that
section at all. The only magazines that you can get
our People Magazine, National Inquirer that are at the actual
checkout registers, the two that are actually open of the
seven in your grocery store, that's where you will get
your magazine. There is no spot for a Lindy's Pro
(35:16):
Football preview. Athlon comes out super early. I went to
a Barnes and Noble recently and they had They did
have a couple. They had an athlon, they had another one.
And the other great thing about this is you can
choose like you go through all of them. I Sam's
(35:37):
an Iowa fan, He's not gonna buy the magazine that
is Iowa tenth in the Big ten. He's gonna buy
the one that has them, sixth that has glowing reviews
about Kirk Farren's and the new the new rooms, right you,
Aaron was Aaron was robbed of being able to look
through the magazine find out what you liked because you
just needed one. And it's one of those things that
(35:59):
I will miss the most. And because the magazines that
I saw, in fact, they had a football magazine, sorry
Barnes and Noble to out you, fantasy football magazine that
was still there from last year. Nobody, like nobody took
it off the shelf. It was the twenty twenty three
Fantasy Football Preview. Because I was looking for some fantasy,
looking for some college stuff. But that is a tradition
(36:19):
that I just think no more. I think that there's
a generation now that will no longer understand the excitement
of buying those those magazines.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I know that Barnes and Noble, by the way, and
if you want to just go on a complete tangent here,
Barnes and Noble, they're going away too. Everything inside Barnes
and Noble and actually picking up things and reading them
is going away. And I'm saddened by that. I'm so
saddened that when I go to my Barnes and Noble,
I sit there in the coffee shop and read a
book that I got the shelf, but I never buy.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
It a fast reader. You are part of the problem.
Is half of its toys now too. By the way,
right next to the magazines were three bookcases of toys.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
Really, yes, actually, so last year is where I got
my Phil Steel, all right, I got I went to
a Barnes and Noble to get a Phil Steel last
year and it was a lot of toys. But actually
that helped me find some gifts for my niece, so
I kind of like it was good. But I did
go to the cash redister and this is what the
cash year said when I bought my Phil Steel. That'll
be uh ninety four dollars. It's not if you can
(37:22):
find him. They're not cheap. But well, the great thing
I will say this about Phil Steel, so with all the.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Portal transfer, what it's not a steel definitely not steal.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
But they give you like a QR code or some
kind of code inside the magazine where you can go
to a like a real time list and see who's
in the transfer portal, so it is up to date,
like they can give you like an Internet thing, you
can go look up stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
But let me let me jump in real quick.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
When did you go and there was an actual Phil
Steel on the shelves?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I remember? I think it was early July of twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Okay, with July, Okay, So that's not terrible because I
am that's you know, I like to do my prep
work early.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So by August I'm like, you know, blinders on.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I know everything there is to know, so like I
don't need to be shown up to the magazine rack
if a magazine wreck even exists on August twelfth, like I.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Need it now.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, and it ain't there now, and I'm frustrated. Let
me tell you it not to sound to sound weird,
but it gets me in the mood. Yeah, Oh gets
me in the mood for football to be able to
sit down and thumb through the magazine take a look
see whether it be a college, whether it be a pro,
whether it be a fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I absolutely love it. And those times are just they're
getting further and further away from us. They're still out there.
You just have to go. You just have to go
look for them, but there was something of the regional
cover and finding your player. I would get fantasy football
magazines where like my holdover was on the cover, because hey,
that's good, that's good business for me. Phil Steel, by
(38:49):
the way, the Bible for anybody who pretty much wants
to bet college football. But if you're just looking for
your team to sound really good on paper, you would
go through all the different magazines and look for the
one where they were the highest. All right, it's been fun.
Thanks to I with Sam Jason Stewart, mont To Blanios.
You and I are going to get together on fourth
of July as we'll be in for Comuno and Enrich
right here on Fox Sports Radio
Hey, thanks for listening to the Covino and Rich podcast.
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It's like searching FSR. Be careful what you wish for
football fans and baseball fans. Welcome in. It is Cavino
and Rich. You don't hear the guys, You hear me
and Aaron because Cavino and Rich. We're in for Dan
Patrick earlier today. Still we have a family atmosphere. Rick
Buker is going to join us in twenty five minutes
breaking down all the happenings in NBA free agency, including
(00:39):
the big signings today of Klay Thompson with the Mavericks,
Paul George to the Sixers, and Jason Tatum getting his
mega deal with the Boston Celtics. Iowa Sam is here,
Jason Stewart is here, Monte Milanos is here as well.
It's a Monday, it's the first day of July. Let's
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aired on History Channel. I did Cavino did a great job. Mixed. Uh,
(01:26):
there was a lot about No I did. There's no
crickets because I am talking nobody else did nobody else did?
I DVRD it to make sure that I would see it.
I saw some clips and then I just fast forwarded
to all of Cavino's parts, and when I would see him,
I'd quick go back and rewind and hear what he said.
But he did a great job. The series continues, Cavino
(01:47):
making his mark on History. Chow is he to host
the show? Show? No what it is? It's one of
the things that I've actually always wanted to do with
sports shows, you know, where they just have sports talk
people or history people comment on like top ten story.
Sure of course. Yeah, So he's commenting and This one
was about Arnold Schwarzenegger and his rise in icons in
the acting world. The Sylvester Stallon was another one they
(02:10):
talked about. So Cavino kind of weighed in with his
opinion and information on there. But you know, they're like
sitting at He's sitting like against like a dark background,
but he's given his two cents in. That's that's the
type of show that it was. So it wasn't hosting,
but he was contributing to it. Something that, as I said,
I'd always love to do. And they're like greatest games
in college football history, and then they're like number eight
(02:31):
and you're like, man, this game was the game of
twenty twelve. Yea, that those sort of things I've always
I've always wanted to do one of those.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
If I know anybody counting down twenty twelve college football games,
I will put you out, but it would be cool.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah. Number six, I like that, Uh Georgia Oklahoma Rose Bowl.
That was a great game. It was a Baker Mayfeld
the Heisman. You know that's some people say, yeah, man,
you knew this was going to be good because it
had Baker Mayfield in it. Like you'd just say stupid
stuff like that. All right, Moving on, we talked about
(03:07):
Ronaldo and Portugal advancing. You heard Manci mention it. The
biggest news from this past weekend in soccer, at least
in Euro twenty twenty four, was the Vaar usage in
the video review that allowed Germany to get a penalty
kick in their match against Denmark and also allowed a
(03:31):
Denmark goal to be wiped off the board because of
an off sides controversial calls. Video replay showed that in
this specific instance, Denmark was off sides truly, and I
mean this by a pinky toe. That's what it was.
That's how that's how definitive the replay was. They were
(03:55):
off sides by a pinky toe. And then a finger
caught the hand or maybe a couple of fingers on
a handball in the box for Denmark that allowed Germany
to get their first goal just a couple of minutes
after Denmark had their goal wiped off. Whether you love
video replay or not, you have to understand how Denmark
(04:18):
felt heartbroken with all of this, But in the reality
of what was transpired, it's not as much of a
soccer conversation. Aaron Is, I think that it is a
warning to the powers that be in the NFL and
Major League Baseball that technology isn't necessarily always your friend.
(04:39):
And when Major League Baseball is on the verge of
implementing an automated balls and strike system, when the NFL
is looking at more ways to use replay, especially in
goal line situations, in short yardage situations, that doesn't always
It's not always a good thing. And I think this
past weekend showed some of the pitfalls that you and
(05:00):
see in these other sports if you let replay and
video replay get out of hand, which I think it
was in soccer. Mean, there's there's no reason for that
offside's call to be called, but it had to be
called because the video replay showed that technically the Denmark
player was off sides because his pinky toe was on
the other side of the of the player from Germany.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, and it leads to you know, let me, I'll
just ask you this, And I know it's impossible to quantify,
but is sports better as the technology of replay has
gotten better? Because we see this in all sports, right,
we see the play in college football where we know
it wasn't really targeting, and you know there was no
(05:46):
you know, ill intent by the defensive back, but by
the letter of the law, when you slow it down
into super slow motion, you got to make the call.
And I just feel, like I've said this for years
on these airwaves, is the further we've gotten into this
world of extended replay and advanced replay, I think the
(06:08):
more controversies that end up brewing because it's to your
point is that you know, this is not the best example,
but Kevin Durant, you know, we can down to a
micro frame of his foot being you know, a quarter
of an inch to you know, on the three point
line as opposed to behind it. But it's just I
do think that as time go, as we have more advancements,
(06:33):
I think it's created more controversy. I think it's created
more in some ways confusion. You know, you go to
some calls in the NFL, the the catch non catch,
you know, the pass interference in the Saints Rams game.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I can't say it has made the product better, but
I guess the best way to put it is just
the unintended consequences that has come as we've implemented more
and more technology.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I understand things are faster like things are maybe happening
at a more rapid speed. I think that the officiating
needs to be better, and specifically, like when I look
in Major League Baseball, I actually think that egos need
to be checked and if you're an umpires it's one
of the things that I actually think is great about
NFL officials is that I would love to see some personality,
(07:23):
but there's no confrontations. You don't see a player and
a referee going nose to nose like you do in
a baseball game, or seeing an umpire trying to show
up a player or a manager because they felt that
that player or manager was trying to show them up.
Like there. I even think you get into the NBA
(07:44):
a lot, but Major League Baseball is the worst. In
the NFL, you don't have stuff like that. But I
think the officiating has got to be better. In a
scenario here where a referee missed the call. There are
some that feel that the handball in the in the
match against Germany and Denmark is a call that because
it's a handball, it should have been absolutely should have
been made. At that point. A few years ago, you
(08:06):
could have said, I don't know that's proximity of the defender,
the way that he was playing that you wouldn't call
that scenario a handball. You would use judgment in it.
What var has done is it's taken all of the
judgment out of it and you have to go by
the letter of the law. And I think if you
do that in Major League Baseball, you do that in
the NFL, I think you're going down a slippery slope.
(08:27):
I think we saw it in replay of pass interference,
That's what I mean. Yeah, you know, it's of just
how they tried to do it after the Saints Rams game,
which was an atrocious call. And I think that the
only thing that would fix that is not to review
the play. Think of the like it was, it was
an obvious call for us. But I still think it
(08:48):
takes a lot to say that would have been pass
interference first on New Orleans Saints. How about the referees
got to be better in that scenario? Sure?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Is that? I mean? Is that just too much to ask?
Do we do we need to make you know, everybody
full time and pay them, you know, a significant wage
where we just get much better officials. Do we need
to add more officials on the field, Like, those are
the things that we need that I don't think like
a skycam or a different video replay of something is
(09:17):
going to improve. I just think we have to get
better in that way. And once you bring in video
and you bring in micro chips and do all this
other stuff, you really can't go back from it. I agree,
and I think that soccer is a pretty good explanation.
Jason Stewart is our executive producer. Automated balls and strikes
seem like they're not too far away from Major League Baseball.
(09:38):
But you're not afraid of this technology. You're embracing this technology.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Not in baseball, and no in baseball, I'm very much
welcoming because what ten years ago baseball had a problem
on their hands, right, Because ten years ago we started
saying that umpires were getting a lot of calls wrong.
That's bad for the look of your sport when your
officials are seen making obvious wrong calls. And to today,
(10:03):
over the weekend, we saw some bad calls and what
what what's the I guess the soft launch of the
total automated strike ball is that new system what do
they call it? In Triple A where they get to
appeal or they.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Get to Yeah, there's a challenge system, right, I don't
know what the name of it is.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Challenge system, and I'm all for that for a couple
of reasons. It goes back to what you had said.
I think that the umpires need a little bit of
an ego check. I want. I want to I want
those those umpires to know they got it wrong, and
for everybody in the stadium to point out the fact
that you got that strike call wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I want.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I'm looking forward so much to that I need a
mass humbling of umpires after all these years.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I just liked the days of this guy calls the
outside part of the plate. But we don't. We don't
have that anymore. Like it's all over the plate. Like
I I'm not saying that the stat thing that you
watch on your phone because you don't maybe have the
baseball package and you're seeing this pitch chart and baseball's
all over the place, beat that accurate. But I think
(11:01):
a lot of the times they are close, and you'll
see sometimes balls be a ball and then a ball
that's a little bit more outside of the strike zone
be a strike. I want that. I feel like they
just have to get better, and I don't think that
we need I don't think that we need replay or review.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Granted, Jim Joyce would have loved it on The Perfect
Game for Armando Galarraga. But if we're sitting here looking
at you know, situations with a challenge of this and that,
and it's borderline and it touches the outside part of
the plate by just a little bit, Like is that
an automatic strike when you haven't called it throughout the
entire game? I think that contradicts some things. I just
(11:43):
there's too much of it. I think is a dangerous
thing in the NFL. Spotting in the football. You can't
do it on any replay, So what you're only going
to do it on fourth down? You're only gonna do
it on goal one situations. How do you know if
the guy's knees down, if he's in the middle of
a pile and the balls across his knee could have
been down ten seconds earlier, you're gonna put things at
neepads now, Like I don't I don't understand on and
(12:04):
this is like, this is the danger I think of
of replay in moving down, you know, going down the line,
you know like to that point, Jason of just if
there was a challenge and you watched on the plate
that it just just hit the corner like just just
a little, just barely, and that strike hasn't been called
throughout the entire game. I would feel like I'm completely
(12:27):
cheated if I was a hitter and struck out on
that play.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And but but that kind of goes back to the point.
I mean, I think they're gonna do this like soft launch,
where they do the the uh, the challenge thing, but
I just want them to go right to computerize balls
and strikes. You still need the homeplate umpire to do
safes and outs and and foul balls and whatnot, but
strikes and balls should be black and white. Literally they
(12:50):
should be called. I'm completely on the opposite side of
you on this one, Manzi Bilanos.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
So I keep going back and forth with this, honestly,
Like sometimes I'm like, bring on the umpires because you're
so tired of these bad calls.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But I think you hit it on the head.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Dan. It's like, I just want a little bit of consistency,
and it seems like it's all over the place, and
I think it is a slippery slope like, once we
open that door, it's just gonna keep getting worse and worse.
So I keep going, I can't make a decision. I
don't know what the right answer is. But I am
starting to sign more with Dan on this one.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It's just it's tomorrow. I'm gonna be with Jason.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I really I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't know what's better. Okay, But like the point
in baseball that I'll just bring to you again, if
you're throwing, if if the umpire is not calling an
inside strike throughout the entire game, and it's you challenge
the play because there was a ball that was inside
and it just nicks the plate. The video is going
(13:49):
to say that was.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
A strike, right, right, And it's like you want the
human error to be a part of it when it's
that close, Like it's just a part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yes, yeah, yes, I ll on the outside that maybe
on the outside may not have been a strike. But
guess what, that entire game, it was called a strike, correct. Yeah,
And so now you're kind of bending the rules that way,
and that doesn't necessarily seem fair to the hitter in
that you know, in that scenario, if you're if you're
allowing or calling you know, the balls and strikes that way,
because that's what would have happened in this scenario. We
(14:18):
talked a little bit about this yesterday when Carrie Rhodes
and I got together. But this is the thing about tennis.
You like tennis replays Aeron Torres, You ever see them
when they go ball in. You know, they have a
certain number of challenges and they'll tell if a ball
is in or out and it's just a quick yes
or no yes, and there's drama and there's build up
to it. They zoom in and then they show and
it's great television. It's quick, it's done because it's in
(14:41):
or out. Yeah, it's it's that's the simplest form player
against player. Ball is in, ball is out. That's all
it is. With Major League Baseball in the NFL and
everything that goes with it, there's there's just too much leeway.
It's not like the lines in the in the tennis match,
we're called differently in the first four sets by a
(15:03):
lines person, you know, on a challenge like that's it's
either in or it's out. And that's the problem that
that I think if you end up going to the
NFL and you're talking about spinning the ball. You're going
in Major League Baseball and you're gonna have to go
by the letter of the law. There's no leeway in that,
and that's not fun.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, and I think for football too specifically, Like you said, okay, cool,
that's where the goal line is, but where was his knee?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Where was this? Where was that?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I just think all this technology, there's been unintended consequences,
and I think the Denmark game is a perfect example
of sometimes the letter of the law like it's the
right call, but it really sucks. And I think that's
that's an issue we already have with replay that I
think is only going to get exascerbate.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That was the problem Denmark. Guys eight you look at
the diagram and the pinky toe is literally on that
side of the line, and that's what was considered off sides,
and they had to call it because you're you're bound
to call it from of course, what the review is.
I think anybody in their right mind would be like,
all right, that's close enough, except maybe you know a
(16:10):
couple of people from Germany, but even still, like, I mean,
it's just so close to be able to tell it
had a big role in the match over the weekend,
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Tech came to like the big leagues, like ten or
fifteen years ago, I thought it was I thought that
it was that long, and I within three weeks of
(16:33):
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Stewart's here, I was Sam sier Maaci Belanios. All hanging
out for Cavino and Rich, who are in for Dan Patrick.
Earlier today, we are a live from the Tireq dot
com studios. Some big movement in the NBA. Clay Thompson's
(16:53):
found a new home, so has Paul George. What does
that mean for the rest of the league. We'll ask
an NBA insider next. Rick Buker joined this here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
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Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's Cavino and Rich here a Fox Sports Radio Live
Forthetirech dot Com Studios. He's herein Torres. I'm Dan Byer.
We are in for Cavino and Rich who are in
for Dan Patrick. Monty Belanos is going to join us
for the latest of what's happening not only in euro
twenty twenty four, but what is a crazy, crazy time
(17:36):
in the NBA. Clay Thompson on his way to the Mavericks,
Paul George is a seventy six er. And we're getting
some numbers on Jason Tatum's Supermax extension. Three hundred and
fourteen million dollars? Is that the official number? Manci?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I mean, it depends who you're gonna follow. Are you
following ESPN or Chris Haynes who reports for nbyon TNT
and Bleacher Report? But it's either three hundred and fourteen
or three hundred and fifteen. It's one of those two.
Basically Mucho di netro for Jason Tatum. But you know,
you win a title, you get a Supermax contract, the
(18:13):
biggest one in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Can I just say really quick? Today? Of course is
Bobby Bonia day.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yes it is, well, no, because I remember when he
signed the contract, so I'm looking it up. Right now,
five years, twenty nine million dollars, and people were like, Oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The end a baseball player. He's gonna make almost six
million a year. Society as we know it is over. Yeah, No,
it's been over.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
This graphic that Bobby Marks put up, he's from ESPN.
Has Tatum ready for this? Making seventy one point four
million dollars in the twenty twenty nine twenty thirty season,
That's what I'm saying. Crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
It makes me want to cry.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Bobby Bonio was like, oh my god, thirty million over
five years?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
What are we doing? No, that's that's just Rick Bucher,
NBA insider, Fox Sports One NBA analyst joins us, you
know there are a lot of basketball questions, but I
know that Buker has a soccer background. Where are you
on VAR and video replay in the sport of soccer?
Rick Buker? Is this? Is it too dangerous? Do you
(19:20):
have an opinion on VAR? It was a topic of
a discussion earlier here on Communo and Rich on Fox
Sports Radio. Are you a fan of how they use
video replay in that sport.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
When something is a goal or not a goal? I
love the V r Let's let's get that right. The
off side? Come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yes, yeah, his left ear lobe was off side.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Come on, but I mean, let's there. There has to
be a little bit of flexibility when it comes to that,
and we're just seeing too many goals that eyes on
the field are saying that it wasn't there wasn't an
obvious advantage gains the goal is good to like, Nope,
you know what, technically his the left the islet of
(20:09):
his shoe was passed, so he was off side. It's
gone too far.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
That's just scarious. The best ball. No, No, let me
ask you this.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So y, we were talking earlier about the Klay Thompson
signing and we I swear we weren't trying to make
it into a Lakers segment, but we kind of made
it into a Lakers.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Look luck with that with anything?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, I mean, is it sort.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Of an indictment on them that the hometown kid whose
dad played for the Lakers that he chose Dallas, or
is just Dallas obviously coming off a finals run, just
obviously in better position to win at a higher level.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I'd say it's all of all of that. I don't
indictments are really strong accusation in terms of it's an
indictment that they aren't that good. Well, they aren't that good,
and they're a bit cap strapped as a result of
that or in combination with that, and so yeah, he's
(21:10):
going to a team that in Dallas, that is obviously
a much much better team, and I would say it's
a better suited team for him. And I don't really
understand why the Lakers would want Klay Thompson at this
stage of his career. There were five guys on the Lakers, Spencer, Dinwiddie,
Tarian Prince being among them, Ruy Hatchimura, Lebron James, D'Angelo Russell.
(21:34):
Those are the five. All of them shot a higher
percentage three point wise than Klay Thompson did this season.
And I know that Klay Thompson has all of that
playoff experience and championship pedigree and all of that. The
fact of the matter is, in the playing game he went
oh for ten from three point range. He's not the
(21:54):
Klay Thompson that we have in our mind's eye that
was winning championships. And he really hasn't been that Klay
Thompson since he came back from the two devastating injuries.
The fact that he came back at all and that
he contributed to a championship team again is remarkable. But
if I'm looking at Coentavious called loll Pope getting a
three year, sixty six million dollar deal, and not because
(22:18):
Clay turned down Orlando, but because they see KCP as
being a better two way, three and D type guy.
And I look at what the Lakers need in terms
of they need a three and D type guy with
probably the emphasis on being more than three, and that's
just not who Clay is now. Was he was the
worst defender in the regular rotation for the Warriors this
(22:41):
past year, and it wasn't because they had all star defenders.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So I just.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
I think the market has told us to who Klay
Thompson is at this stage in his career, and I
just never understood how he would make sense for the
Lakers from the start, fundamentally playing in the same uniform
as his dad and the whole father son element with
bron Lebron and Bronni there. Okay, but what that last?
(23:10):
That lasts to the press conference and then you actually
have to play, And I just don't know that Clay
would have made the Lakers measurably better or solved any
of their problems.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Rick Buker joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
herein Torres. I'm Dan byer In for Cavino and Rich.
I know Lebron. Sometimes the situation is, Dan, if you do,
damned if you don't. But Erin and I were talking
about did the moves of the Lakers make Obviously they
sure felt Lebron centric, But would that turn anybody off
(23:42):
from joining the Lakers because of how much power Lebron has?
Could that be any factor in anything?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
It's been a factor for years. I mean, look at
the number of guys who had the opportunity to go
join the Lakers and ultimately opted to go in a
different direction. Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, and those guys come
(24:09):
off the top of my head. There's there's certainly certainly others.
And the guys that have gone there are generally guys
that are looking to They're not in a great place,
they're not in demand, and they're like, well, maybe I
can go win something with Lebron and restore my restore
my reputation. And it's not really I don't put it
(24:34):
on Lebron necessarily, but I probably put it more on
the media that covers Lebron, which is he just he
sucks all the oxygen out of the room. So if
you're a great or a notable player of your own
and you go play with Lebron, if you win, Lebron
is going to get the credit, and if you lose,
(24:56):
you are going to get to blame. And so they're
just not a whole lot of guys that are looking
to sign up for that because that has been the narrative.
I'm not just making that up like that's been the
narrative for umpteen years now. And if guys have equal
or better choices, then they're going to take them, And
(25:17):
especially now where we look at all you know, the
last three four years, where you know, you might even
put up with that if you thought I'm going to
get a championship ring out of it, but there's no
guarantee that you're going to get that or get anything
close to it now. So it's like, well, rather than
be the ape goat, I will let me let go
(25:40):
someplace else and see if I can. Whatever happens, I'm
going to get credit for whatever we do more so
than I if I was playing with Lebron.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Paul George to the seventy six ers. Does that does
that in your opinion move Obviously Boston is the favorite
in the East going forward, we get that. Does this
change the hierarchy at all in your opinion beyond them?
Or is Philly so Joelle Joel mb dependent especially staying healthy?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Does that is that after this?
Speaker 6 (26:09):
I I it's this fair question, and certainly Philadelphia had
to make this move in order to even be in
the conversation for keeping pace. But I'm going to put
the New York Knicks as the next best team in
the Eastern Conference, particularly when it comes to matching up
with Boston. I believe I'm not sure that the Big
(26:29):
three model ever really did work or was as definitive
about winning championships as it was made out to be.
I mean, if you even if you look at the
Miami Heat and when they put those three together, it
wasn't until they added a couple of key additional pieces,
(26:50):
Mike Miller being one that comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
One hundred percent. I agree with you, by the way,
even Boston, like when when we kind of thought it
started with Alan here's in Garnett. Yeah, you know when
you had Posey Rondo Eddie House like yep, yeah, no,
I completely agree with you.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
So so my feeling is that what if if you
didn't believe it, then you should believe it now because
if you look at any of the most recent championship teams,
going all the way back to the Toronto Raptors, you
can't name a big three. We named big three's after
the fact after they win a championship. Now Chris Middleton,
Drew Holiday and Janna Santezkomporo big three, when we never
(27:31):
looked at those players in that in that vein before
they came together and won a ring. So and again,
it's as much Lopez and UH and googly eyes UH,
Bobby Portis and and any number of UH supporting cast
players that that that make for championship teams. And I
think the Boston Celtics have taken that to the ns degree.
(27:53):
I think the New York Knicks are are in that
vein and on the flip side. And my speed cohorts
got mad at me today when I made this comparison,
but I'm going to stay with it, I said. The
Philaelphia seventy sixers are more like the Phoenix Suns. They're
top heavy, and can you win? Can you compete for
(28:14):
championships when you are top heavy? I don't believe in
this day of load management and the pace of the
game and everything else, I think depth and versatility is
the key. So for all of those reasons, I like
the Philadelphia did what they did because it keeps them
in the mix and it makes them interesting. But not
(28:34):
only is Joel Embiid a health risk, but so is
Paul George. This was the first year in a long
time that he played anything close to a full season.
And so if you're a betting man and he's thirty three, now, like,
what are you expecting from him from the next couple
of years. It wouldn't be to average seventy to seventy
(28:56):
five games a season.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Not for me. Rick Buker joining us here on Fox,
it's a radio last one for me. I'm really intrigued
by this Chris Paul san Antonio deal. Ah, what are
your thoughts on the one year deal that CP three
signed to play with I love it.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I just you know, in a day and age where
we define everything by championship rings, I don't know that.
You know, it's pretty evident Chris Paul is probably not
going to wind up with a ring, but what he
has carved out for himself as being a mentor in
a lot of different places. And look at Shay Gilgess, Alexander.
Chris Paul had a big influence on on who he
(29:37):
ultimately became. And there's any number I can give you
a list if I thought for a minute in terms
of guys that he's gone in and he's had an
impact on by mentoring. And I feel as if if
this is going to be his last year or the
last year or two, like going in and playing with
(29:59):
Victor winb Yama and being a mentor, just a fond
castle and he fits the he fits the Spurs DNA
and their approach to business. Victor can protect him on
on on the floor defensively and he's going to make
sure that the ball goes where it's going to go.
So uh, I love it. I just I think it's
(30:22):
a great fit. It's it's low cost, low risk, high
reward for the San Antonio Spurs and uh, and I
give kudos to Chris Paul where he said I'm going
to go and I'm gonna I'm going to make an
impact in in a in a tangible way that uh
that's going to leave a mark in the league and
(30:44):
it and rather than go ring chase and see if
I can just add some some hardware to my uh
my shelf.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
He's Rick Buker, f S one NBA analyst Ironsetter here
on Fox Sports Radio. Rick, Happy Monday, Happy July things.
So much of the time we've talked against.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
You and thanks.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
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Speaker 1 (31:27):
Come into and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is a tradition that Aaron Torres and I would partake
in that has kind of gone by the wayside. Iowa, Sam,
do you remember back in the day of going to
the going to the grocery store in Iowa and being like,
(31:52):
I'm gonna get that football preview magazine because Ricky Stanzy's
on the cover. Heck yeah, I remember that. I do
you remember I'm going to get that? And then you know,
in the corner, maybe there's like a golden golpher or
a Wisconsin Badger, but good old regional covers, Yes they were,
They were the best. Jason Stewart, you remember a time
where maybe you were purchasing that USC college football magazine
(32:15):
or maybe one of the NFL featuring some of the
greats from years gone by in southern California, sure like
and Smith's or something exactly what Danny and Tomlinson on
the cover Fantasy for sure. Manzi. Were you ever a
purchaser of a college football preview magazine? No, well you
(32:35):
missed quite the era. What what magazine you like to
would you be if you went to a bookstore and
they had a magazine.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Round Cosmopolitan there, it would be right there, Sports Illustrated
coming in in a close second.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
We have regional Cosmopolitan covers. Someone from southern California, you
go to Florida, someone different is always a big deal,
right just be It used to be Memorial Day weekend
was the earliest that you would see, but you would
have football preview magazines on the rack. Well, they can't
do that anymore because they don't release the NFL schedule
(33:11):
until mid May now, and you need to kind of
have a schedule when you bring out these magazines. But
Aaron Torre has told me a story and it piggybacks
off of my experience that it is more and more
difficult to find your football preview magazines in your local stores.
How did you get your magazine this year?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I went to Google dot com and then Lindy's dot
com from there and I put in my credit card
information and I purchased it offline. And I was so
depressed because, yeah, you go, and like you said, even
as of like three years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It'd be like Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And then it got kind of pushed back because now
it's a portal, you know, for college football, it's a
portal sports. You're adding guys in the spring. But now
I think it's the combination of it's a portal sport
with the magazine industry is dying with uh. Grocery stores
don't even carry magazines anymore. So I had to go
(34:08):
purchase it. And I don't want a PDF. I need
something I can hold in my hands.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Agreed. I am right there with you. I went to
the grocery store months back and the magazine section was
wiped out. It was in the greeting card section. You
know as well, We're like it goes up to a
certain point and then you have magazines. Oh yeah, And
to Manzi's point, there is a there is a there's
a beauty section, and then it kind of like blends
(34:32):
into something else but sports. The sports section is usually
by the hot rods, the hunting and guns and Ammo magazines,
and then you may have like a bikini girl in
a bikini on a car like that's that's where it
is in the football and baseball are right in those
(34:53):
areas well. Our local grocery store does not have that
section at all. The only magazines that you can get
our People Magazine, National Inquirer that are at the actual
checkout registers, the two that are actually open of the
seven in your grocery store, that's where you will get
your magazine. There is no spot for a Lindy's Pro
(35:16):
Football preview. Athlon comes out super early. I went to
a Barnes and Noble recently and they had They did
have a couple. They had an athlon, they had another one.
And the other great thing about this is you can
choose like you go through all of them. I Sam's
(35:37):
an Iowa fan, He's not gonna buy the magazine that
is Iowa tenth in the Big ten. He's gonna buy
the one that has them, sixth that has glowing reviews
about Kirk Farren's and the new the new rooms, right you,
Aaron was Aaron was robbed of being able to look
through the magazine find out what you liked because you
just needed one. And it's one of those things that
(35:59):
I will miss the most. And because the magazines that
I saw, in fact, they had a football magazine, sorry
Barnes and Noble to out you, fantasy football magazine that
was still there from last year. Nobody, like nobody took
it off the shelf. It was the twenty twenty three
Fantasy Football Preview. Because I was looking for some fantasy,
looking for some college stuff. But that is a tradition
(36:19):
that I just think no more. I think that there's
a generation now that will no longer understand the excitement
of buying those those magazines.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I know that Barnes and Noble, by the way, and
if you want to just go on a complete tangent here,
Barnes and Noble, they're going away too. Everything inside Barnes
and Noble and actually picking up things and reading them
is going away. And I'm saddened by that. I'm so
saddened that when I go to my Barnes and Noble,
I sit there in the coffee shop and read a
book that I got the shelf, but I never buy.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
It a fast reader. You are part of the problem.
Is half of its toys now too. By the way,
right next to the magazines were three bookcases of toys.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
Really, yes, actually, so last year is where I got
my Phil Steel, all right, I got I went to
a Barnes and Noble to get a Phil Steel last
year and it was a lot of toys. But actually
that helped me find some gifts for my niece, so
I kind of like it was good. But I did
go to the cash redister and this is what the
cash year said when I bought my Phil Steel. That'll
be uh ninety four dollars. It's not if you can
(37:22):
find him. They're not cheap. But well, the great thing
I will say this about Phil Steel, so with all the.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Portal transfer, what it's not a steel definitely not steal.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
But they give you like a QR code or some
kind of code inside the magazine where you can go
to a like a real time list and see who's
in the transfer portal, so it is up to date,
like they can give you like an Internet thing, you
can go look up stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
But let me let me jump in real quick.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
When did you go and there was an actual Phil
Steel on the shelves?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I remember? I think it was early July of twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Okay, with July, Okay, So that's not terrible because I
am that's you know, I like to do my prep
work early.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So by August I'm like, you know, blinders on.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I know everything there is to know, so like I
don't need to be shown up to the magazine rack
if a magazine wreck even exists on August twelfth, like I.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Need it now.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, and it ain't there now, and I'm frustrated. Let
me tell you it not to sound to sound weird,
but it gets me in the mood. Yeah, Oh gets
me in the mood for football to be able to
sit down and thumb through the magazine take a look
see whether it be a college, whether it be a pro,
whether it be a fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I absolutely love it. And those times are just they're
getting further and further away from us. They're still out there.
You just have to go. You just have to go
look for them, but there was something of the regional
cover and finding your player. I would get fantasy football
magazines where like my holdover was on the cover, because hey,
that's good, that's good business for me. Phil Steel, by
(38:49):
the way, the Bible for anybody who pretty much wants
to bet college football. But if you're just looking for
your team to sound really good on paper, you would
go through all the different magazines and look for the
one where they were the highest. All right, it's been fun.
Thanks to I with Sam Jason Stewart, mont To Blanios.
You and I are going to get together on fourth
of July as we'll be in for Comuno and Enrich
right here on Fox Sports Radio
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