July 1, 2024 • 37 mins
Dan and Aaron in for Covino & Rich as they discuss the news that Klay Thompson has signed with the Dallas Mavericks. Dan, Aaron and the crew talk about the latest with Caitlin Clark coming off of her team's win over Diana Taurasi's team. Dan and Aaron discuss the changes in college football.
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All right, happy Monday. All right, and everybody is here.
Look I w was Sam hanging out with us today
out of Monday. It's like our Citio Hall show. Jason
Stewart's our executive producer. Hello, everybody, there's no.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Spot, but there is a Manci Belagios here with us today.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
What's going on, Manzi?
Speaker 6 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (00:41):
Yeah, just really annoyed with this Paul George stuff. Oh
I'm just reading more into it. His like podcast partner
is like tweeting deleting stuff, and it's just like.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Bro, just be quiet, unrelated. When are you going to
get some yeah merch? Yeah that needs to be a thing.
That's your thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
It's another one.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
She's been soft launching for a while. Which one I
don't know's it's it's.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
As well, that's my mom saying yes because she has
an accent.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Jeez, have you seen, sorry, I said, Jess woman, there's
three conversations going.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
On at the same time here, same exact time.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The boss is got to be great. We could all
see each other while we're working.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's like Thanksgiving dinner, everybody talking over everybody else seeing.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
This is not how radio should go. The in turn,
do not take anything from this. You know and rich
who are in for Dan Patrick earlier today, so we
are taking their spot this afternoon. Manti's mad about Paul George.
But now as the day has gone on, I I
I look back and I sit back, and if you
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don't know my thoughts on Paul George, I just I
feel he had an opportunity to be the guy at
one point, and instead he's just gone to spots where
he is the guy, and now he's going to a
spot where he's not the guy. And I don't think
he's the second guy. So he's the third guy, but
he's still getting paid even with all of that. Aaron,
there's something about Klay Thompson going to the Dallas Mavericks
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that to me is just the one that grabs it
the most. I don't know if it was because maybe
we expected Paul George. I think it's maybe more of
just that the Warriors dynasty as we know it in
that form is over. But this Klay Thompson signing with
the Dallas Mavericks, for me, has overtaken the Paul George signing.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Even so, the only thing I'd say about Clay I
still think, in my opinion, the bigger story is about
the Los Angeles Lakers side of things. I think Clay
the player is probably a little bit overvalued at this point,
but he does still have value, certainly for the Dallas
Mavericks as a as a spacing piece three point shooting.
But you know, the Lakers, you know, we got all
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this good karma this weekend about Lebron is ready to
take a pay cut and blah blah, blah blah, and
you expect this guy to be a primary focus of
their free agency moves. He's and everybody knows it, but
he's from LA his father played for the Lakers, So
I just look at it from the Lakers as I
don't say free agencies over. But there's a lot of
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big names off the board, and the only major move
that has been made is he had adult connect to
Browny last week. So I just I don't know how
much Clay fundamentally changes, if he changes at all, Dallas,
but I do think it's kind of another kick in that,
you know what, for the Lakers this office.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So just and I think it's an interesting take because
we focus on the Warriors and we focus on the Mavericks.
But there are reports that Clay met with both the
Lakers and Mavericks in person last night and ultimately chose
to sign with Dallas on a contract that was three years,
fifty million dollars and they're trying to work out a
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three team sign and trade to make this work. That
hasn't been finalized as of yet, but by all accounts
in the tweet from WOJ was the state tax played
a little bit of a role, but also the fact
that Clay maybe could have gotten more money elsewhere and
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then chose to go to Dallas. Do you think it's
a Lebron thing, I mean, because maybe it's always a
Lebron thing, but or do you think it's the decisions
that they made to appease Lebron that Clay wouldn't want
to come to LA Because I felt that that was
the likely scenario because of all Clay's connections, why do
you think he spurned the Purple and Gold?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Then, yeah, I'm not gonna pin everything on Lebron. I
think to me, it's just more of a bigger picture.
The Lakers, you know, the opposite of Denny Green. They
aren't who we thought they were. Like you and I
live in La Manzie, Jaysue, we all live in La
so we deal with this every day. But I still
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go back to the Dan Hurley thing of you know, Dan,
the report comes out that he's gonna interview, and all
I hear is, well, you don't go, You don't turn
down the Lakers. And I just remember saying at the time, like,
is it nineteen eighty four? Is magic on the team?
Is Byron Scott and Ac Green on the you know?
And so I just think there's something about this organization
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from the top down, and I don't listen.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Helps that your superstar is forty years old, high maintenance,
a lot to deal with. But I also don't think
you can blame Lebron for everything either, because this organization
was in a complete free fall before he got here,
And so I just think it speaks to me that
you know, I don't know, like, like, what is the
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great thing that Genie Buss has done as an owner
and Rob Polinka has done as a GM since they've
gotten the job Lebron was coming here. Lebron obviously essentially
facilitated the Anthony Davis trade with Rich Paul And it's
like those little chess piece moves that have to be
made to re elevate a program. Maybe, you know, Rob
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Polinka deserves a little bit of credit at the deadline
two seasons ago they were able to get rid of
Westbrook and bring in some nice Peaches pieces excuse me,
the ruy hot chimoors, etc. But it's just I don't
think it's a Lebron thing. I just think it is
a Lakers are not who we think they are thing from.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Top to bottom. I think it's a great observation. I
think that it does go back to Lebron because I'm
trying to put myself in Klay Thompson's shoes. If you're
Klay Thompson and you're not wanted by the Warriors, what's
the team that would probably pain Warriors fans to the
uniform to see you in and they may not have
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the true sense of the word of the rivalry that
it is. But the Lakers would Sting and the Lakers again,
where his dad played, he grew up in La he
grew up around the team. There was ample reason for
nostal to go back to the Lakers. And the reason
why I think this goes all the way to Lebron
is because if you're coming from an organization where Clay
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watched how they built their championship teams, saw how Steve
Coerr operated, how their assistants operated, and now you go
to a team that is drafting a second rounder because
to your point, your forty year old star player happens
to be his son. You're hiring the head coach for
as great as JJ Reddick may be, for all intents
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and purposes, we feel because Lebron had a connection to
them where they wouldn't give Dan Hurley the money. I mean,
you talk about turning it down. If they actually would
have given them a real legitimate contract offer and made
it a much more difficult decision, then you would have
maybe had more of a reason to take the job
if you're Dan Hurley. But that doesn't happen. So you
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find out that you lowball your head coach. You'd have
to wonder where you think that organization is going. Even
with them being competitive to Denver, which was something that
that I mentioned earlier, that maybe they aren't as far
off as some people think, but I still just think
that there's a huge gap for how good the West
is and for the Lakers to be a true title contender.
I just I don't think that they They are there
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at this point, and Clay could have helped that, but
I don't know if it would have been enough to
bring them to a title championship team. But all of
that has gone by the wayside because of maybe what
the Lakers presented and represented in Clay's eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of what the Lakers are.
And I know this is supposed to be a Clay
Thompson segment. He's not with the Lakers, but like they
kind of you know, what they almost remind me of
is they're like Colorado Football. Like no, and I know
we got you know, intern Dean who goes to see you,
but it's like at some point, like Colorado kind of
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just ceased existing in the rest of the college football space,
like it was his own thing where people who care
about Colorado football don't necessarily care about college football, but
most college football fans kind of stopped caring about them
after Week two, Week three, And that's kind of what
I feel like the Lakers are at this point. They're
certainly not irrelevant because they have Lebron. They're maybe going
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to be the most talked about team because of Lebron
bronni jj Reddick, you love him, you hate him, he's
swearing at his introductory press conference. But they're not really
a contender. Like it's just I don't I can't think
of a lot of teams in sports where we know
that they're not a contender, but they're like, legitimately maybe
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the most interesting team to talk about.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
You know, it's funny you mentioned Colorado because I would say,
up until maybe last year's run, isn't that Texas?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I mean, yeah, we talk about the.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Brand of because I do think that the Lakers brand
is the biggest in the NBA. I've talked about it
recently on the show. The star power who they've brought in.
There is still something to it, but the brand maybe
doesn't match the results or the actions going on within
those those programs. Be the Lakers or Texas football for
what we're talking about. I think that those things could equate,
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Like Texas is always a part of the conversation, but
it's not always for the right reasons. So in terms
of winning and winning titles again taking out last year
with their run to the College Football Playoff, but I
think that would be a fair.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's probably the better analogy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I just find it very interesting because I don't think
anybody that's a real NBA fan legitimately thinks that they're
a threat. But I also don't I think we all
understand in our business that we're gonna be talking about
him a lot next year.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Well here's let me ask you this question, because I
think that there's two different ways that it can go,
and it's about JJ Reddick. If you're Klay Thompson. So
Klay Thompson essentially has chosen Jason Kidd over JJ Reddick,
has chosen Luka Doncic over Lebron James, has chosen Kyrie
Irving over Anthony Davis, and has chosen to go to
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a city that he hasn't lived in as opposed to
his hometown and where he grew up and where he
is from that's what Clay Thompson chose. Do you think
the JJ Reddick conversation for people coming in or someone
like Klay Thompson is I don't think JJ Reddick can
do this, or because JJ Reddick was Lebron's guy, that
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is not a good sign to me on how things
are likely to be run.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It seems as though, because of his work in the
podcast that he clearly has respect of the current players,
Like at some point he sat down with all those guys,
they clearly like him. I think if he was a
coach somewhere else, he might get the benefit of the doubt.
But I think that last point is so interesting because
he's Lebron's guy, because they did a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I don't even think it's free agency. I think there's.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Guys in that building that are probably like, am I
gonna get a fair shake? Or is it gonna be
you know, coaches, pet teachers that you know, basically, it's
it's as Lebron says, and and that I think that's
actually a really interesting point that I hadn't factored in.
I think we all think of like, do you want
to play with Lebron? He overshadows everything when he when
they When you win, he gets all the credit. When
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you lose, he gets none of the blame. I don't
think I factored in enough. If I was a player
looking at that situation from the outside, I do. I
do think I'd look at it kind of side side eye.
And then the other thing that you have to factor in.
I hate to say it because this was my hate
it from our love it or Hate It segment on
the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Is I think Bronnie fair or not?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That has to be a factor too, right because is
he gonna make one appearance so there's a photo op.
Is he gonna be with the team every day? Is
he gonna be expecting is he gonna be playing every game?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I do think those are like if you're Klay Thompson, like,
are we really about winning? Or are we about doing
it kind of winning? You know, under the circumstances that
Lebron is allowing us to You know what I'm saying,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Know if this all makes sense. Yeah, no it does,
But I think that has to be part.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Of it, because what you're saying is we are bending
over backwards to appease Lebron. But are we doing it
because Lebron's goal is to win championships? Or are we
doing it because Lebron just wants his way because he
feels he's oled that for what he has brought to
the league.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
That's that's the question.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, Ronaldo missed a big penalty kick. That was why
Manzi I.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Thought, actually, I thought she was reacting to my take
like it was so great. I had the match back
to me and she's raising her hand and she's like,
oh my gosh, and I'm like, thank you very much.
That was a heck of a take. But an extra
time Ronaldo ends up making. The thing is is we're
in a radio studio where you think everything is quiet,
but we're on raised floors, so where the wiring is underneath,
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sometimes sound does come through the walls. And that's why
you could hear Manzi, even with us having headphones on.
I know the listener couldn't hear that, but.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, you had a view with that and ahead of
you with that, and as soon as you pause, I
knew exactly I knew there was there was to.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Quote Jersey Shore, there was a situation.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Let's you know, Yeah, that's okay, let's just get back
on track for the Lakers portion of it. If you
are also looking at Lebron willing to take a pay
cut there, listen, I think it's I do not want
to criticize him for that, yep, because I feel that
that is a gesture to show, hey, I'm willing to
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take this, and he's done it before they were able
to make it work in Miami with how they did it,
and I think that is something that NFL quarterbacks should
should maybe learn to do. Lebron is doing it for
the reasons that he wants, but there's also this catch
twenty two or the other edge of this, you know,
you want to say double edged sword is if Lebron
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is taking a twenty percent pay cut, then things better
be going Lebron's way fair, you know, in that in
that case, and because some have pointed out you high
Lebron's coach, you drafted his son in turn, is he
doing this to help the Lakers out?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Like?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Is he would he take a pay cut? Is he
doing this like, hey, thanks, thanks for doing that. I'll
take a pay cut for you guys for doing me
a solid and and we'll make this thing work, and
I don't look at it like that as all at
all is now in his career. It's more of, well,
if I'm taking a pay cut, we're gonna do it
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my way. Yeah, you know if I And that would
be also something where you think, on the surface, it
is appealing for someone like, oh good, they're gonna make
room or money for me, But maybe for someone like
Claike Thompson it isn't as much because of how much
you know, equity he's got in the game, and at
this point in his career, maybe he doesn't want to
He's not gonna overtake Lebron for minutes and scoring in
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any of that. But just in the culture of your
locker room and team, maybe he doesn't want to deal
with us.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, And I think also, is he going to be
holding it against you if that money spent in a
place that you know, if I can't think of a
hypothetical player that they would spend that money on. But
I just bring it up because like, is he gonna
is that? And we know some of the things that
he's wanted in the past he didn't get. He didn't
get Kyrie.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
When he wanted him.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
He didn't get John Wall when he wanted him, and
so if he does take less money again, is that
kind of a you scratch my back, eye scratch yours,
you get my coach, you get my son, whatever. But
then I do think the counter is are you going
to be hearing about it in February if you're in
seventh place? Are there going to be those subtle things
said in the media about well, you know, I mean
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I wanted things a little bit different, but you know,
front office said this because we know that that's how
he uses and manipulates the media.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think that's something EF factor in as well.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Do you think it's more likely than Mavericks take a
step back or take a step forward next season?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think from a seating perspective, it's possible that they
take a step forward, But the only step forward that
they can take from a literal perspective is to win
the championship. And I don't think Klay Thompson puts them
over the top.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That is exactly why I asked the question. For everything
that you just laid out, it's very difficult. It's very
very difficult to get back to where they are and
to do what they did, and they have the road
that they did the you know, they they weren't competitive
in the NBA finals, and maybe they use it as
a lesson learned, like when they got to the Western
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Conference finals, there would be that natural progression for them
to that point. But yeah, I think it's difficult. And
in that in that West Woldes reporting that because the
Mavericks were within three victories of an NBA championship, let's
be real, they were down three to zero.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Okay, it makes it.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Sound like they were, you know, a lot closer than
maybe they were, at least within that series. And then
he brought up the financial savings for Texas in California.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Text guy on Twitter is among the most annoying of
all the Twitter personalities. Well, when you break down the
tax brackets, it's like, yeah, okay, buddy, we get it.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
If that was the case, wouldn't he have just gone
where he could have gotten the most money, because I
don't think he's getting the most money from the Dallas
Mavericks totally fair. So there is a bit of a
balancing act. But I think your point about how this
represents the Lakers and not to inorganically make it a
Lakers topic, but they were a finalist, his dad played
for him, He's from here, and he still chose to
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go somewhere else. I think that's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, and I think you could make the case that
I wouldn't say that his role or his impact would
be bigger, but that the decision itself for all the
reasons that you said, plus kind of stick it to
the Warriors. There was a lot of things working in
the lakers favor here. Let's put it that way. Obviously,
the Mavericks right now are further along, but he chooses
to be and he chooses to be a Maverick, and.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
With some of the bricks that the MAVs are throwing up,
his shooting could be welcome in Dallas. Yes, he's aeron Torres.
I'm Dan Byer in for Cavino and Rich here on
Fox Sports Radio. The Portugal Slovenia match in extra time
right now. You can see it on Fox. Winner gets
France in the quarterfinals coming up on Friday. But Ronaldo
missed the penalty kick a PK in this.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Swistit time, I mean Manzi. He looked like he was
in tears because they finished the first overtime period, went
to the second one, it looked like he was.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
In tears, and it was at like minute one oh four,
like literally it was just about ten. He also seemed
like he was in tears because right at the end
of regulation he had an opportunity to score and the
goalie stopped it. It was a great kick, but the
goalie had ant even better stop, so he that was
the second opportunity in the game to be the hero.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's the reverse lebron When things go right, he doesn't
get enough credit. And when things go wrong, the whole country.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
You know, yeah, iowa Sam Ronaldo more like Ranald, thank you,
But he's the best in the business people the best.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I admit.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I thought Manzi was just dumbfounded with my Lakers ta
that I didn't realize was so groundbreaking when I was
saying it. And then you go, Ronaldo just missed a
penalty kick, and I thought Manzi was raising her hand
like she wanted to in on this conversation. That is
not the case, all right, He's erin Torres. I'm dan
byer In forgiving no one rich here on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 4 (20:36):
It'scivino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Bayer.
He is erin Torres Monsi'll keep us updated on this
Portugal Slovenia match.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Again, an extra time.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Scoreless winner gets France coming up on Friday, Ronaldo missing
a penalty kick a little while earlier.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I will tell you one of the coolest things in
my sports life to two thousand and eight, I was
in German, I was in Europe and I happen to
be in Germany for the final of the Euros. It
was Germany Italy. I think Germany won those streets, those
streets that night were they were wives, they were alive.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, the Germans, Sam Aaron Taurres became a man that
I feel like there's a Schnitzel joke to make, maybe.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
But the man in Germany there again, Montial have an updates.
She also may want to weigh in on this Kitlan
Clark conversation because I feel that a majority of this group,
this is not unanimous, but a majority of this group
appreciated and enjoyed the welcoming to the court that Caitlyn
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Clark got from Diana Tarassi and Britney Grinder of the
Phoenix Mercury in the WNBA yesterday. I felt it was
a great moment, in a moment that many other WNBA
stars could have done but did not do. I thought
it was a great olive branch for Tarassi, for Griner,
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and really as a represent you know, representatives of this
WNBA star culture, these veterans who we feel have attacked
Caitlin Clark to show the respect that they did, and
to do it at the opening tip and to have
Brittany Griner give her an extended message. I thought it
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was a really really great look in the WNBA. I
say majority, because it's not unanimous. The person to my left,
I think, feels a little different about this.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I thought it was a great moment.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Tell us you hate dogs too, while are at.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It, love dogs and I love Listen. I'm gonna do
the cliche. No one loves what basketball more than me
and I grew up in Connecticut, so I actually did
watch it, you know, throughout my life. The only point
I would make if instead of giving a handshake, you
and I have been on in Monsey and Jason We've
all been here through the Doug Gottlieb Show, so this
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is not we didn't just get on air at five
Eastern time. I bring it up because if instead of
a handshake to start the game, it was a Britney
Britney Griner forearm where she's going for the ball but
slaps Kaitlyn Clark's face and she crumbles to the ground,
We're not waiting two and a half hours to talk
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about it. So the only point I'm trying to make
is that as the as the what's the right word,
the drama, the whatever descriptive word you want to use
to describe how other players have treated Kaitlyn Clark, as
that as the vitriot, whatever it is, as that goes down,
I also think the interest overall in the WNBA goes down.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I just do you think that the the back and
forth of the hatred and the inks towards Kaitlyn Clark
is the reason we have so much interest.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I think any friction creates interest, right, Like, yeah, you know, uh,
Brady and Manning was more intense than Mahomes and Lamar.
I think there was a genuine dislike between Brady and
Manning for a long time. I don't think there's a
dislike between Mahomes and whoever and so so. Yeah, No,
I I just I don't think like I'm not like
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mad that I'm not like oh uh, you know what
competitor shakes Caitlin Clark's I'm not saying that. All I'm
saying is that I don't I hate to be a jerk,
but I'm just gonna say how I really feel.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I don't think any.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Either.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I don't think anyone was ever that interested, even three
four weeks ago in the product on the court of
the WNBA.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
There are some people, maybe in this studio that were,
but the vast majority of the consuming public wasn't nearly
as interested in the product on the court as much
as the drama. And now that the drama has gone down,
I also feel, in addition, the interest has gone down
as well.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Okay, interesting points, I know we've got some some some points.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Can I just get a quick so it sounds aaron
like you wanted to be stay a little bit roller
derby ish, little elbow here, a little uh stink eye there.
It's not that I want anything, I think. I think
it makes it inherently less interesting. When everybody's getting along. Yes,
but it can't. It can't be though, Cayton Clark versus
the w NBA forever. I mean, they're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm glad it isn't because it got pretty dark there.
And I'll be honest, like, so, you know, I missed
a lot of this. I was on vacation during the
Olympic controversy and the the the flagrant foul with the
other Chicago Sky player, not Angel Reese. It got pretty Carter, Yeah,
Kennedy Carter, it got pretty dark. So I'm glad that
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to your guys, all all of your guys points that
that the vets are. You know that it was kind
of a moment of like, hey, you're part of the club,
we respect your game. We're gonna compete our butts off
when we play. But I do think it does make
it inherently less interesting. I'm happy for Kaitlyn Clark because,
like I said, I thought it got dark there for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But I think it makes the product lisson.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
This is what I would say. The Pistons were the
bad boys of the NBA, and they were disliked in
the late eighties early nineties. They won titles. There was
the difference between them and the Lakers, them and the Bulls.
I would not have wanted an entire NBA of Detroit
Pistons teams. I agree, It's not what I would have wanted.
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And I felt that Caitlyn Clark on Sunday finally got one,
like one went her way like otherwise it was everything
was against her, absolutely everything. And it's not that Caitlyn
Clark is completely innocent. I just don't think most of
this was brought on by her. And here's an instance
where guess what, it kind of shifted in her favor
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for once, which we hadn't seen in the first almost
two months of the season. And I actually thought that
that was a good moment.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And to be clear, I'm happy for her. I'm just
saying the product becomes less interesting, like you know, the
height of Lakers or Lebron versus Golden State, Like there
was a moment where you could tell that Lebron didn't
really like all the attention that Steph was getting. And
(27:16):
I think a lot of the Warriors guys didn't really
love Lebron.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Remember, there was that weird what was it?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
There was like a Halloween thing where Draymond dressed up
as lebron Or did something and you could tell they
didn't really like each other, and that inherently made it
more interesting than when it's just everybody's best friends. And
so but I'm happy because to your point, it's like
it just felt like everybody was against Kaitlyn Clark for
a minute, and it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
The last two or three weeks, it hasn't felt that way.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Mons.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
So I agree with Aaron that people are tuning in
for the drama, but I disagree with you that the
drama's going away. Nobody wanted drama between Diana Tarassi and
Kaitlyn Clark. That's not the drama that people were looking for.
And so I think that moment it was just kind
of like one. It felt organic. After Diana Tarassio week
ago was asked, how do you feel about playing Caitlin
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Clark and the fever. Oh, it's gonna be fun, and
that's all she said and like looked away from the camera.
So I just I thought it was a right moment
because the drama wasn't there that people want.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
The drama is elsewhere, and I think that.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Drama is going to continue because we're women so and
we like to fight.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
I think it's fine to have a rivalry between the Fever, and.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's what I was gonna say. Do you think it'll
come back when they play Chicago?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, because even Angel Reese.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
The last game, when Angel Reese had that great game
and she was basically almost in tears in the post game,
it felt like that was a moment where it was
only about basketball, and which is great, but it was
less interesting than a week before when Angel Reese and
I don't think it was intentional, but had that really
hard follow that created a whole discord.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Of course, there's gonna be more interests with them too,
but I do think Angel Reese has her own fan base,
so I you may be less interested, but I really
don't think that that's happening across I think right now,
who's interest is like tuning in not you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, sorry, Jason Stewart. The people want to weigh in.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
Yeah, okay, So I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you my
personal journey with this, and I'm gonna say this because
I think a lot of people are in my shoes.
I thought or hoped that Caitlin Clark was going to
be this transcendent figure that was in college on the
WNBA level. I thought she was going to be torching
logo threes and averaging thirty five and putting it in
people's faces. I tuned in for that, and then when
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I found out this she's like a mid range to
maybe decent WNBA player that that isn't interesting to me.
But what filled that void was all the cultural war
stuff and all the hater raid stuff. That's what did
make it interesting. So I agree with Aaron completely. Her
being liked and her being an average player isn't interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, and I would jump in on that. And I'll
just again, this is only me. I can't speak for
anybody else, certainly in the studio, let alone listening. But
the first Sky game in which they you know, the
hard file that that was one where I saw that
it was on TV and I was like, oh, I
should check this out, and then the file happened whatever,
then them playing a week later. I will admit maybe
(30:09):
it makes me a bad sports talk radio host. It
was the first time I actively sought out a WNBA game,
and I felt like that was like the fever pitch
of like, is something gonna happen, nothing happened, great game,
back and forth, whatever, And I don't feel like even
the interest in Caitlin Clark has been the same since then.
But maybe it's because the schedule was so frontloaded, whatever,
but I just don't feel like since it just became
(30:31):
about basketball, I don't feel like the interest has been
quite the same.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I think that the drama that has gone on in
the WNBA, and I mentioned it earlier on how long
the season's gone. We're not even two months into the season,
but the drama has made it feel like it was
about four months or five months. And with with what
you guys were saying, what kept you interested was the drama.
The only thing that I would say to that is
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that can only last so long. Like at some point
Caitlyn Clark is going to have to be the mad
bomber and develop into that player, and I think that
she could be. I think that, and we've started to
see flashes of that. It just didn't necessarily immediately happen.
But this this tension throughout the league was just not sustainable.
(31:17):
Just like maybe her picking up from college right where
she left off in the NBA maybe wasn't realistic. It
would just it would be too tiring for me to
even watch the WNBA if this was just constantly what
was going on and here she was getting you know,
I don't want to say picked on because it sounds
like such a schoolyard thing kind of it. Just like
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after a while, you're just like even when the sky
beat them, like a little more than a week ago,
like Angel Reese and Cheryl Swoops have this big hug,
and Cheryl Swoops has been in the news because of
what she said last year about Kitlan Clark and trying
to diminish her scoring record, like that's gonna end up
being a rivalry. But just after a while, it just
becomes tiring with everything, and it was just it's nice
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to see Kaitlyn Clark actually win one because I don't
think she's been winning a lot and people may have
a different opinion of that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
But winning personally or winning on the court, they have.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
Won a lot.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
I'm not I'm not talking about you're talking.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
About like you're talking about her brand, winning and life life. Yeah,
but very very can I can I just add one thing.
I think that if we're upset or worried about, uh,
the Caitlyn Clark drama and the interest level going into
a lull right now.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
It's about to hit a.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Real big lull when they go into the Olympic breaks.
Her name's gonna drop off the out of people's mouths.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
You know. Sure.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
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Speaker 4 (32:48):
It's Cavino and Ritch here on Fox Sports Radio. Guys
were in for Dan Patrick earlier today, and we'll be
in for DP a good part of the week, so
you're gonna hear me a lot Aaron and I. We'll
be back again on July fourth here on Cavino and Rich. Tomorrow,
Moncey and I team up and tomorrow we're gonna be
giving out an award tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Did you know about this, Moncey Sports?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
What am I getting Sports.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Person of the Year for the first half of twenty
twenty four? Oh yes, get your nominees ready, all right,
we will hand out that award. I have a suggestion
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
How about we do Newly again tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
We can try with.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
Sam doesn't have much of a those sense of humors,
So who'd be good at it?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Really's needless shots being taken at me.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, we'll have to.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
By the way, I've already given away the award for
a sports Person of the Year for the first half
of the year.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Well I'll save it though. Yeah, you didn't do it
on another show, did you. No?
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Okay, good, just in my brain, I've already given it. Yes,
And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
This is This is.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Key and Aaron. I'm sorry you're not gonna be here
with us tomorrow. But what happens is people named like
four and eight and then they've taken everybody else's possible nominees.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Sure, and then it's just a mess and.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
The well is run dry. So if people just don't understand,
take one or derv and then let everybody else have
a chance. And if then nobody else it takes them,
then you can go and have another one. Sometimes people
just throw out like I got four names for you. No,
that's what everybody else is here for.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Well I could go with John Smith or but I'm
gonna go. It's like, you know, somebody else might have
wanted to take Yes. Yes, Jonathan Smith, the new coach
of Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yes, person of the Year could.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Be, could be a nominee. Let's put them down, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I mean, now, I don't have to tune in. I
already know who I was.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Sam's going make your case Iowa.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Sam's gonna go with Tim Waya, so you can make
some more bad puns. You're way off the mark there,
all right, here we are, I got it, I got it.
College realignment is here. The fanfare of the SEC bringing
in Texas and Oklahoma has not been matched by another
conference that welcomed three new members. That would be the
(35:05):
ACC Stanford cal SMU now members of the Atlantic Coast Conference.
August first will be the day that officially the Big
twelve and the Big Ten will welcome their new schools.
The PAC twelve network is over. They've scrubbed any mention
of any of the other twelves to ten schools outside
(35:26):
of Oregon State and Washington State. Now on that site,
we are in the midst of change. What happens next?
Erin Torres? What is the next wave of change that
we see in college realignment?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I mean, Florida State does not want to be in
the ACC.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
So I'm still confused, you know, people say, oh, they'll
figure out a way to get out of the contract.
They have great lawyers. It's like, well, you know who
put together that contract, really good lawyers from the other side.
So I'm not totally sold how they get out of it.
It's clear that Florida State wants out, so that feels
like probably realistically the next peak change.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I think that we all have kind of seen that,
and that's why I also mention the ACC not getting
as much fanfare. Not to say that obviously Oklahoma and
Texas are bigger brands than cal Stanford and SMU, but
there is zero talk about those schools joining that league.
They were last ditch efforts to find a new home,
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and we're brought into the ACC and people are still
wondering how it's going to work out. What I wonder
and I believe that you're correct, and I think that
it won't just be Florida State. It will be multiple
schools leaving the ACC. Is what happens to the schools
in the big ten in the SEC that maybe aren't
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like are you going to go twenty four school leagues?
Or are you going to be like, all right, how
do we make this work?
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Now?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Like there's are we going to just have an enormous
sec in an enormous big ten. Can the Big twelve
grab any of the acc and make it work? Because
there are schools there that I think could fit really
nicely in the footprint that a lot of people have mentioned.
I just wonder, then, is that what we're going to
look at. Is anybody going to be left on the wayside?
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How will that turn out?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And I would just say I wonder really quick if
eventually we get to contraction. So many of these decisions
are based off of this school wants more money, so
they're leaving for X. What's the best way to get
more money? Get rid of the Vanderbilts, the Mississippi State
schools like that.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yeah, that's where I think that we could be headed.
I don't know how you can do it, but I
think we could be going that route. He's Aaron Torres.
I'm Dan Beyer. Video replay in the NFL in Major
League Baseball better not be like what it is in soccer.
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
All right, happy Monday. All right, and everybody is here.
Look I w was Sam hanging out with us today
out of Monday. It's like our Citio Hall show. Jason
Stewart's our executive producer. Hello, everybody, there's no.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Spot, but there is a Manci Belagios here with us today.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
What's going on, Manzi?
Speaker 6 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (00:41):
Yeah, just really annoyed with this Paul George stuff. Oh
I'm just reading more into it. His like podcast partner
is like tweeting deleting stuff, and it's just like.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Bro, just be quiet, unrelated. When are you going to
get some yeah merch? Yeah that needs to be a thing.
That's your thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
It's another one.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
She's been soft launching for a while. Which one I
don't know's it's it's.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
As well, that's my mom saying yes because she has
an accent.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Jeez, have you seen, sorry, I said, Jess woman, there's
three conversations going.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
On at the same time here, same exact time.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The boss is got to be great. We could all
see each other while we're working.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's like Thanksgiving dinner, everybody talking over everybody else seeing.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
This is not how radio should go. The in turn,
do not take anything from this. You know and rich
who are in for Dan Patrick earlier today, so we
are taking their spot this afternoon. Manti's mad about Paul George.
But now as the day has gone on, I I
I look back and I sit back, and if you
(01:52):
don't know my thoughts on Paul George, I just I
feel he had an opportunity to be the guy at
one point, and instead he's just gone to spots where
he is the guy, and now he's going to a
spot where he's not the guy. And I don't think
he's the second guy. So he's the third guy, but
he's still getting paid even with all of that. Aaron,
there's something about Klay Thompson going to the Dallas Mavericks
(02:13):
that to me is just the one that grabs it
the most. I don't know if it was because maybe
we expected Paul George. I think it's maybe more of
just that the Warriors dynasty as we know it in
that form is over. But this Klay Thompson signing with
the Dallas Mavericks, for me, has overtaken the Paul George signing.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Even so, the only thing I'd say about Clay I
still think, in my opinion, the bigger story is about
the Los Angeles Lakers side of things. I think Clay
the player is probably a little bit overvalued at this point,
but he does still have value, certainly for the Dallas
Mavericks as a as a spacing piece three point shooting.
But you know, the Lakers, you know, we got all
(02:54):
this good karma this weekend about Lebron is ready to
take a pay cut and blah blah, blah blah, and
you expect this guy to be a primary focus of
their free agency moves. He's and everybody knows it, but
he's from LA his father played for the Lakers, So
I just look at it from the Lakers as I
don't say free agencies over. But there's a lot of
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big names off the board, and the only major move
that has been made is he had adult connect to
Browny last week. So I just I don't know how
much Clay fundamentally changes, if he changes at all, Dallas,
but I do think it's kind of another kick in that,
you know what, for the Lakers this office.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So just and I think it's an interesting take because
we focus on the Warriors and we focus on the Mavericks.
But there are reports that Clay met with both the
Lakers and Mavericks in person last night and ultimately chose
to sign with Dallas on a contract that was three years,
fifty million dollars and they're trying to work out a
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three team sign and trade to make this work. That
hasn't been finalized as of yet, but by all accounts
in the tweet from WOJ was the state tax played
a little bit of a role, but also the fact
that Clay maybe could have gotten more money elsewhere and
(04:16):
then chose to go to Dallas. Do you think it's
a Lebron thing, I mean, because maybe it's always a
Lebron thing, but or do you think it's the decisions
that they made to appease Lebron that Clay wouldn't want
to come to LA Because I felt that that was
the likely scenario because of all Clay's connections, why do
you think he spurned the Purple and Gold?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Then, yeah, I'm not gonna pin everything on Lebron. I
think to me, it's just more of a bigger picture.
The Lakers, you know, the opposite of Denny Green. They
aren't who we thought they were. Like you and I
live in La Manzie, Jaysue, we all live in La
so we deal with this every day. But I still
(04:58):
go back to the Dan Hurley thing of you know, Dan,
the report comes out that he's gonna interview, and all
I hear is, well, you don't go, You don't turn
down the Lakers. And I just remember saying at the time, like,
is it nineteen eighty four? Is magic on the team?
Is Byron Scott and Ac Green on the you know?
And so I just think there's something about this organization
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from the top down, and I don't listen.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Helps that your superstar is forty years old, high maintenance,
a lot to deal with. But I also don't think
you can blame Lebron for everything either, because this organization
was in a complete free fall before he got here,
And so I just think it speaks to me that
you know, I don't know, like, like, what is the
(05:44):
great thing that Genie Buss has done as an owner
and Rob Polinka has done as a GM since they've
gotten the job Lebron was coming here. Lebron obviously essentially
facilitated the Anthony Davis trade with Rich Paul And it's
like those little chess piece moves that have to be
made to re elevate a program. Maybe, you know, Rob
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Polinka deserves a little bit of credit at the deadline
two seasons ago they were able to get rid of
Westbrook and bring in some nice Peaches pieces excuse me,
the ruy hot chimoors, etc. But it's just I don't
think it's a Lebron thing. I just think it is
a Lakers are not who we think they are thing from.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Top to bottom. I think it's a great observation. I
think that it does go back to Lebron because I'm
trying to put myself in Klay Thompson's shoes. If you're
Klay Thompson and you're not wanted by the Warriors, what's
the team that would probably pain Warriors fans to the
uniform to see you in and they may not have
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the true sense of the word of the rivalry that
it is. But the Lakers would Sting and the Lakers again,
where his dad played, he grew up in La he
grew up around the team. There was ample reason for
nostal to go back to the Lakers. And the reason
why I think this goes all the way to Lebron
is because if you're coming from an organization where Clay
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watched how they built their championship teams, saw how Steve
Coerr operated, how their assistants operated, and now you go
to a team that is drafting a second rounder because
to your point, your forty year old star player happens
to be his son. You're hiring the head coach for
as great as JJ Reddick may be, for all intents
(07:31):
and purposes, we feel because Lebron had a connection to
them where they wouldn't give Dan Hurley the money. I mean,
you talk about turning it down. If they actually would
have given them a real legitimate contract offer and made
it a much more difficult decision, then you would have
maybe had more of a reason to take the job
if you're Dan Hurley. But that doesn't happen. So you
(07:52):
find out that you lowball your head coach. You'd have
to wonder where you think that organization is going. Even
with them being competitive to Denver, which was something that
that I mentioned earlier, that maybe they aren't as far
off as some people think, but I still just think
that there's a huge gap for how good the West
is and for the Lakers to be a true title contender.
I just I don't think that they They are there
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at this point, and Clay could have helped that, but
I don't know if it would have been enough to
bring them to a title championship team. But all of
that has gone by the wayside because of maybe what
the Lakers presented and represented in Clay's eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of what the Lakers are.
And I know this is supposed to be a Clay
Thompson segment. He's not with the Lakers, but like they
kind of you know, what they almost remind me of
is they're like Colorado Football. Like no, and I know
we got you know, intern Dean who goes to see you,
but it's like at some point, like Colorado kind of
(08:49):
just ceased existing in the rest of the college football space,
like it was his own thing where people who care
about Colorado football don't necessarily care about college football, but
most college football fans kind of stopped caring about them
after Week two, Week three, And that's kind of what
I feel like the Lakers are at this point. They're
certainly not irrelevant because they have Lebron. They're maybe going
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to be the most talked about team because of Lebron
bronni jj Reddick, you love him, you hate him, he's
swearing at his introductory press conference. But they're not really
a contender. Like it's just I don't I can't think
of a lot of teams in sports where we know
that they're not a contender, but they're like, legitimately maybe
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the most interesting team to talk about.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
You know, it's funny you mentioned Colorado because I would say,
up until maybe last year's run, isn't that Texas?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I mean, yeah, we talk about the.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Brand of because I do think that the Lakers brand
is the biggest in the NBA. I've talked about it
recently on the show. The star power who they've brought in.
There is still something to it, but the brand maybe
doesn't match the results or the actions going on within
those those programs. Be the Lakers or Texas football for
what we're talking about. I think that those things could equate,
(10:06):
Like Texas is always a part of the conversation, but
it's not always for the right reasons. So in terms
of winning and winning titles again taking out last year
with their run to the College Football Playoff, but I
think that would be a fair.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's probably the better analogy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I just find it very interesting because I don't think
anybody that's a real NBA fan legitimately thinks that they're
a threat. But I also don't I think we all
understand in our business that we're gonna be talking about
him a lot next year.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Well here's let me ask you this question, because I
think that there's two different ways that it can go,
and it's about JJ Reddick. If you're Klay Thompson. So
Klay Thompson essentially has chosen Jason Kidd over JJ Reddick,
has chosen Luka Doncic over Lebron James, has chosen Kyrie
Irving over Anthony Davis, and has chosen to go to
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a city that he hasn't lived in as opposed to
his hometown and where he grew up and where he
is from that's what Clay Thompson chose. Do you think
the JJ Reddick conversation for people coming in or someone
like Klay Thompson is I don't think JJ Reddick can
do this, or because JJ Reddick was Lebron's guy, that
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is not a good sign to me on how things
are likely to be run.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It seems as though, because of his work in the
podcast that he clearly has respect of the current players,
Like at some point he sat down with all those guys,
they clearly like him. I think if he was a
coach somewhere else, he might get the benefit of the doubt.
But I think that last point is so interesting because
he's Lebron's guy, because they did a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I don't even think it's free agency. I think there's.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Guys in that building that are probably like, am I
gonna get a fair shake? Or is it gonna be
you know, coaches, pet teachers that you know, basically, it's
it's as Lebron says, and and that I think that's
actually a really interesting point that I hadn't factored in.
I think we all think of like, do you want
to play with Lebron? He overshadows everything when he when
they When you win, he gets all the credit. When
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you lose, he gets none of the blame. I don't
think I factored in enough. If I was a player
looking at that situation from the outside, I do. I
do think I'd look at it kind of side side eye.
And then the other thing that you have to factor in.
I hate to say it because this was my hate
it from our love it or Hate It segment on
the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Is I think Bronnie fair or not?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That has to be a factor too, right because is
he gonna make one appearance so there's a photo op.
Is he gonna be with the team every day? Is
he gonna be expecting is he gonna be playing every game?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I do think those are like if you're Klay Thompson, like,
are we really about winning? Or are we about doing
it kind of winning? You know, under the circumstances that
Lebron is allowing us to You know what I'm saying,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Know if this all makes sense. Yeah, no it does,
But I think that has to be part.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Of it, because what you're saying is we are bending
over backwards to appease Lebron. But are we doing it
because Lebron's goal is to win championships? Or are we
doing it because Lebron just wants his way because he
feels he's oled that for what he has brought to
the league.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
That's that's the question.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, Ronaldo missed a big penalty kick. That was why
Manzi I.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Thought, actually, I thought she was reacting to my take
like it was so great. I had the match back
to me and she's raising her hand and she's like,
oh my gosh, and I'm like, thank you very much.
That was a heck of a take. But an extra
time Ronaldo ends up making. The thing is is we're
in a radio studio where you think everything is quiet,
but we're on raised floors, so where the wiring is underneath,
(13:51):
sometimes sound does come through the walls. And that's why
you could hear Manzi, even with us having headphones on.
I know the listener couldn't hear that, but.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, you had a view with that and ahead of
you with that, and as soon as you pause, I
knew exactly I knew there was there was to.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Quote Jersey Shore, there was a situation.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Let's you know, Yeah, that's okay, let's just get back
on track for the Lakers portion of it. If you
are also looking at Lebron willing to take a pay
cut there, listen, I think it's I do not want
to criticize him for that, yep, because I feel that
that is a gesture to show, hey, I'm willing to
(14:28):
take this, and he's done it before they were able
to make it work in Miami with how they did it,
and I think that is something that NFL quarterbacks should
should maybe learn to do. Lebron is doing it for
the reasons that he wants, but there's also this catch
twenty two or the other edge of this, you know,
you want to say double edged sword is if Lebron
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is taking a twenty percent pay cut, then things better
be going Lebron's way fair, you know, in that in
that case, and because some have pointed out you high
Lebron's coach, you drafted his son in turn, is he
doing this to help the Lakers out?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Like?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Is he would he take a pay cut? Is he
doing this like, hey, thanks, thanks for doing that. I'll
take a pay cut for you guys for doing me
a solid and and we'll make this thing work, and
I don't look at it like that as all at
all is now in his career. It's more of, well,
if I'm taking a pay cut, we're gonna do it
(15:28):
my way. Yeah, you know if I And that would
be also something where you think, on the surface, it
is appealing for someone like, oh good, they're gonna make
room or money for me, But maybe for someone like
Claike Thompson it isn't as much because of how much
you know, equity he's got in the game, and at
this point in his career, maybe he doesn't want to
He's not gonna overtake Lebron for minutes and scoring in
(15:50):
any of that. But just in the culture of your
locker room and team, maybe he doesn't want to deal
with us.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, And I think also, is he going to be
holding it against you if that money spent in a
place that you know, if I can't think of a
hypothetical player that they would spend that money on. But
I just bring it up because like, is he gonna
is that? And we know some of the things that
he's wanted in the past he didn't get. He didn't
get Kyrie.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
When he wanted him.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
He didn't get John Wall when he wanted him, and
so if he does take less money again, is that
kind of a you scratch my back, eye scratch yours,
you get my coach, you get my son, whatever. But
then I do think the counter is are you going
to be hearing about it in February if you're in
seventh place? Are there going to be those subtle things
said in the media about well, you know, I mean
(16:39):
I wanted things a little bit different, but you know,
front office said this because we know that that's how
he uses and manipulates the media.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think that's something EF factor in as well.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Do you think it's more likely than Mavericks take a
step back or take a step forward next season?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think from a seating perspective, it's possible that they
take a step forward, But the only step forward that
they can take from a literal perspective is to win
the championship. And I don't think Klay Thompson puts them
over the top.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That is exactly why I asked the question. For everything
that you just laid out, it's very difficult. It's very
very difficult to get back to where they are and
to do what they did, and they have the road
that they did the you know, they they weren't competitive
in the NBA finals, and maybe they use it as
a lesson learned, like when they got to the Western
(17:30):
Conference finals, there would be that natural progression for them
to that point. But yeah, I think it's difficult. And
in that in that West Woldes reporting that because the
Mavericks were within three victories of an NBA championship, let's
be real, they were down three to zero.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Okay, it makes it.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Sound like they were, you know, a lot closer than
maybe they were, at least within that series. And then
he brought up the financial savings for Texas in California.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Text guy on Twitter is among the most annoying of
all the Twitter personalities. Well, when you break down the
tax brackets, it's like, yeah, okay, buddy, we get it.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
If that was the case, wouldn't he have just gone
where he could have gotten the most money, because I
don't think he's getting the most money from the Dallas
Mavericks totally fair. So there is a bit of a
balancing act. But I think your point about how this
represents the Lakers and not to inorganically make it a
Lakers topic, but they were a finalist, his dad played
for him, He's from here, and he still chose to
(18:27):
go somewhere else. I think that's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, and I think you could make the case that
I wouldn't say that his role or his impact would
be bigger, but that the decision itself for all the
reasons that you said, plus kind of stick it to
the Warriors. There was a lot of things working in
the lakers favor here. Let's put it that way. Obviously,
the Mavericks right now are further along, but he chooses
to be and he chooses to be a Maverick, and.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
With some of the bricks that the MAVs are throwing up,
his shooting could be welcome in Dallas. Yes, he's aeron Torres.
I'm Dan Byer in for Cavino and Rich here on
Fox Sports Radio. The Portugal Slovenia match in extra time
right now. You can see it on Fox. Winner gets
France in the quarterfinals coming up on Friday. But Ronaldo
missed the penalty kick a PK in this.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Swistit time, I mean Manzi. He looked like he was
in tears because they finished the first overtime period, went
to the second one, it looked like he was.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
In tears, and it was at like minute one oh four,
like literally it was just about ten. He also seemed
like he was in tears because right at the end
of regulation he had an opportunity to score and the
goalie stopped it. It was a great kick, but the
goalie had ant even better stop, so he that was
the second opportunity in the game to be the hero.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's the reverse lebron When things go right, he doesn't
get enough credit. And when things go wrong, the whole country.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
You know, yeah, iowa Sam Ronaldo more like Ranald, thank you,
But he's the best in the business people the best.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I admit.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I thought Manzi was just dumbfounded with my Lakers ta
that I didn't realize was so groundbreaking when I was
saying it. And then you go, Ronaldo just missed a
penalty kick, and I thought Manzi was raising her hand
like she wanted to in on this conversation. That is
not the case, all right, He's erin Torres. I'm dan
byer In forgiving no one rich here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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Speaker 4 (20:36):
It'scivino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Bayer.
He is erin Torres Monsi'll keep us updated on this
Portugal Slovenia match.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Again, an extra time.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Scoreless winner gets France coming up on Friday, Ronaldo missing
a penalty kick a little while earlier.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I will tell you one of the coolest things in
my sports life to two thousand and eight, I was
in German, I was in Europe and I happen to
be in Germany for the final of the Euros. It
was Germany Italy. I think Germany won those streets, those
streets that night were they were wives, they were alive.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, the Germans, Sam Aaron Taurres became a man that
I feel like there's a Schnitzel joke to make, maybe.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
But the man in Germany there again, Montial have an updates.
She also may want to weigh in on this Kitlan
Clark conversation because I feel that a majority of this group,
this is not unanimous, but a majority of this group
appreciated and enjoyed the welcoming to the court that Caitlyn
(21:45):
Clark got from Diana Tarassi and Britney Grinder of the
Phoenix Mercury in the WNBA yesterday. I felt it was
a great moment, in a moment that many other WNBA
stars could have done but did not do. I thought
it was a great olive branch for Tarassi, for Griner,
(22:06):
and really as a represent you know, representatives of this
WNBA star culture, these veterans who we feel have attacked
Caitlin Clark to show the respect that they did, and
to do it at the opening tip and to have
Brittany Griner give her an extended message. I thought it
(22:26):
was a really really great look in the WNBA. I
say majority, because it's not unanimous. The person to my left,
I think, feels a little different about this.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I thought it was a great moment.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Tell us you hate dogs too, while are at.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It, love dogs and I love Listen. I'm gonna do
the cliche. No one loves what basketball more than me
and I grew up in Connecticut, so I actually did
watch it, you know, throughout my life. The only point
I would make if instead of giving a handshake, you
and I have been on in Monsey and Jason We've
all been here through the Doug Gottlieb Show, so this
(23:01):
is not we didn't just get on air at five
Eastern time. I bring it up because if instead of
a handshake to start the game, it was a Britney
Britney Griner forearm where she's going for the ball but
slaps Kaitlyn Clark's face and she crumbles to the ground,
We're not waiting two and a half hours to talk
(23:22):
about it. So the only point I'm trying to make
is that as the as the what's the right word,
the drama, the whatever descriptive word you want to use
to describe how other players have treated Kaitlyn Clark, as
that as the vitriot, whatever it is, as that goes down,
I also think the interest overall in the WNBA goes down.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I just do you think that the the back and
forth of the hatred and the inks towards Kaitlyn Clark
is the reason we have so much interest.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I think any friction creates interest, right, Like, yeah, you know, uh,
Brady and Manning was more intense than Mahomes and Lamar.
I think there was a genuine dislike between Brady and
Manning for a long time. I don't think there's a
dislike between Mahomes and whoever and so so. Yeah, No,
I I just I don't think like I'm not like
(24:14):
mad that I'm not like oh uh, you know what
competitor shakes Caitlin Clark's I'm not saying that. All I'm
saying is that I don't I hate to be a jerk,
but I'm just gonna say how I really feel.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I don't think any.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Either.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I don't think anyone was ever that interested, even three
four weeks ago in the product on the court of
the WNBA.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
There are some people, maybe in this studio that were,
but the vast majority of the consuming public wasn't nearly
as interested in the product on the court as much
as the drama. And now that the drama has gone down,
I also feel, in addition, the interest has gone down
as well.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Okay, interesting points, I know we've got some some some points.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Can I just get a quick so it sounds aaron
like you wanted to be stay a little bit roller
derby ish, little elbow here, a little uh stink eye there.
It's not that I want anything, I think. I think
it makes it inherently less interesting. When everybody's getting along. Yes,
but it can't. It can't be though, Cayton Clark versus
the w NBA forever. I mean, they're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm glad it isn't because it got pretty dark there.
And I'll be honest, like, so, you know, I missed
a lot of this. I was on vacation during the
Olympic controversy and the the the flagrant foul with the
other Chicago Sky player, not Angel Reese. It got pretty Carter, Yeah,
Kennedy Carter, it got pretty dark. So I'm glad that
(25:45):
to your guys, all all of your guys points that
that the vets are. You know that it was kind
of a moment of like, hey, you're part of the club,
we respect your game. We're gonna compete our butts off
when we play. But I do think it does make
it inherently less interesting. I'm happy for Kaitlyn Clark because,
like I said, I thought it got dark there for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But I think it makes the product lisson.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
This is what I would say. The Pistons were the
bad boys of the NBA, and they were disliked in
the late eighties early nineties. They won titles. There was
the difference between them and the Lakers, them and the Bulls.
I would not have wanted an entire NBA of Detroit
Pistons teams. I agree, It's not what I would have wanted.
(26:25):
And I felt that Caitlyn Clark on Sunday finally got one,
like one went her way like otherwise it was everything
was against her, absolutely everything. And it's not that Caitlyn
Clark is completely innocent. I just don't think most of
this was brought on by her. And here's an instance
where guess what, it kind of shifted in her favor
(26:47):
for once, which we hadn't seen in the first almost
two months of the season. And I actually thought that
that was a good moment.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And to be clear, I'm happy for her. I'm just
saying the product becomes less interesting, like you know, the
height of Lakers or Lebron versus Golden State, Like there
was a moment where you could tell that Lebron didn't
really like all the attention that Steph was getting. And
(27:16):
I think a lot of the Warriors guys didn't really
love Lebron.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Remember, there was that weird what was it?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
There was like a Halloween thing where Draymond dressed up
as lebron Or did something and you could tell they
didn't really like each other, and that inherently made it
more interesting than when it's just everybody's best friends. And
so but I'm happy because to your point, it's like
it just felt like everybody was against Kaitlyn Clark for
a minute, and it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
The last two or three weeks, it hasn't felt that way.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Mons.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
So I agree with Aaron that people are tuning in
for the drama, but I disagree with you that the
drama's going away. Nobody wanted drama between Diana Tarassi and
Kaitlyn Clark. That's not the drama that people were looking for.
And so I think that moment it was just kind
of like one. It felt organic. After Diana Tarassio week
ago was asked, how do you feel about playing Caitlin
(28:06):
Clark and the fever. Oh, it's gonna be fun, and
that's all she said and like looked away from the camera.
So I just I thought it was a right moment
because the drama wasn't there that people want.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
The drama is elsewhere, and I think that.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Drama is going to continue because we're women so and
we like to fight.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
I think it's fine to have a rivalry between the Fever, and.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's what I was gonna say. Do you think it'll
come back when they play Chicago?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, because even Angel Reese.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
The last game, when Angel Reese had that great game
and she was basically almost in tears in the post game,
it felt like that was a moment where it was
only about basketball, and which is great, but it was
less interesting than a week before when Angel Reese and
I don't think it was intentional, but had that really
hard follow that created a whole discord.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Of course, there's gonna be more interests with them too,
but I do think Angel Reese has her own fan base,
so I you may be less interested, but I really
don't think that that's happening across I think right now,
who's interest is like tuning in not you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, sorry, Jason Stewart. The people want to weigh in.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
Yeah, okay, So I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you my
personal journey with this, and I'm gonna say this because
I think a lot of people are in my shoes.
I thought or hoped that Caitlin Clark was going to
be this transcendent figure that was in college on the
WNBA level. I thought she was going to be torching
logo threes and averaging thirty five and putting it in
people's faces. I tuned in for that, and then when
(29:27):
I found out this she's like a mid range to
maybe decent WNBA player that that isn't interesting to me.
But what filled that void was all the cultural war
stuff and all the hater raid stuff. That's what did
make it interesting. So I agree with Aaron completely. Her
being liked and her being an average player isn't interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, and I would jump in on that. And I'll
just again, this is only me. I can't speak for
anybody else, certainly in the studio, let alone listening. But
the first Sky game in which they you know, the
hard file that that was one where I saw that
it was on TV and I was like, oh, I
should check this out, and then the file happened whatever,
then them playing a week later. I will admit maybe
(30:09):
it makes me a bad sports talk radio host. It
was the first time I actively sought out a WNBA game,
and I felt like that was like the fever pitch
of like, is something gonna happen, nothing happened, great game,
back and forth, whatever, And I don't feel like even
the interest in Caitlin Clark has been the same since then.
But maybe it's because the schedule was so frontloaded, whatever,
but I just don't feel like since it just became
(30:31):
about basketball, I don't feel like the interest has been
quite the same.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I think that the drama that has gone on in
the WNBA, and I mentioned it earlier on how long
the season's gone. We're not even two months into the season,
but the drama has made it feel like it was
about four months or five months. And with with what
you guys were saying, what kept you interested was the drama.
The only thing that I would say to that is
(30:57):
that can only last so long. Like at some point
Caitlyn Clark is going to have to be the mad
bomber and develop into that player, and I think that
she could be. I think that, and we've started to
see flashes of that. It just didn't necessarily immediately happen.
But this this tension throughout the league was just not sustainable.
(31:17):
Just like maybe her picking up from college right where
she left off in the NBA maybe wasn't realistic. It
would just it would be too tiring for me to
even watch the WNBA if this was just constantly what
was going on and here she was getting you know,
I don't want to say picked on because it sounds
like such a schoolyard thing kind of it. Just like
(31:38):
after a while, you're just like even when the sky
beat them, like a little more than a week ago,
like Angel Reese and Cheryl Swoops have this big hug,
and Cheryl Swoops has been in the news because of
what she said last year about Kitlan Clark and trying
to diminish her scoring record, like that's gonna end up
being a rivalry. But just after a while, it just
becomes tiring with everything, and it was just it's nice
(32:00):
to see Kaitlyn Clark actually win one because I don't
think she's been winning a lot and people may have
a different opinion of that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
But winning personally or winning on the court, they have.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
Won a lot.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
I'm not I'm not talking about you're talking.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
About like you're talking about her brand, winning and life life. Yeah,
but very very can I can I just add one thing.
I think that if we're upset or worried about, uh,
the Caitlyn Clark drama and the interest level going into
a lull right now.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
It's about to hit a.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Real big lull when they go into the Olympic breaks.
Her name's gonna drop off the out of people's mouths.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
You know. Sure.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
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Speaker 4 (32:48):
It's Cavino and Ritch here on Fox Sports Radio. Guys
were in for Dan Patrick earlier today, and we'll be
in for DP a good part of the week, so
you're gonna hear me a lot Aaron and I. We'll
be back again on July fourth here on Cavino and Rich. Tomorrow,
Moncey and I team up and tomorrow we're gonna be
giving out an award tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Did you know about this, Moncey Sports?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
What am I getting Sports.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Person of the Year for the first half of twenty
twenty four? Oh yes, get your nominees ready, all right,
we will hand out that award. I have a suggestion
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
How about we do Newly again tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
We can try with.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
Sam doesn't have much of a those sense of humors,
So who'd be good at it?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Really's needless shots being taken at me.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, we'll have to.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
By the way, I've already given away the award for
a sports Person of the Year for the first half
of the year.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Well I'll save it though. Yeah, you didn't do it
on another show, did you. No?
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Okay, good, just in my brain, I've already given it. Yes,
And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
This is This is.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Key and Aaron. I'm sorry you're not gonna be here
with us tomorrow. But what happens is people named like
four and eight and then they've taken everybody else's possible nominees.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Sure, and then it's just a mess and.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
The well is run dry. So if people just don't understand,
take one or derv and then let everybody else have
a chance. And if then nobody else it takes them,
then you can go and have another one. Sometimes people
just throw out like I got four names for you. No,
that's what everybody else is here for.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Well I could go with John Smith or but I'm
gonna go. It's like, you know, somebody else might have
wanted to take Yes. Yes, Jonathan Smith, the new coach
of Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yes, person of the Year could.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Be, could be a nominee. Let's put them down, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I mean, now, I don't have to tune in. I
already know who I was.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Sam's going make your case Iowa.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Sam's gonna go with Tim Waya, so you can make
some more bad puns. You're way off the mark there,
all right, here we are, I got it, I got it.
College realignment is here. The fanfare of the SEC bringing
in Texas and Oklahoma has not been matched by another
conference that welcomed three new members. That would be the
(35:05):
ACC Stanford cal SMU now members of the Atlantic Coast Conference.
August first will be the day that officially the Big
twelve and the Big Ten will welcome their new schools.
The PAC twelve network is over. They've scrubbed any mention
of any of the other twelves to ten schools outside
(35:26):
of Oregon State and Washington State. Now on that site,
we are in the midst of change. What happens next?
Erin Torres? What is the next wave of change that
we see in college realignment?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I mean, Florida State does not want to be in
the ACC.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
So I'm still confused, you know, people say, oh, they'll
figure out a way to get out of the contract.
They have great lawyers. It's like, well, you know who
put together that contract, really good lawyers from the other side.
So I'm not totally sold how they get out of it.
It's clear that Florida State wants out, so that feels
like probably realistically the next peak change.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I think that we all have kind of seen that,
and that's why I also mention the ACC not getting
as much fanfare. Not to say that obviously Oklahoma and
Texas are bigger brands than cal Stanford and SMU, but
there is zero talk about those schools joining that league.
They were last ditch efforts to find a new home,
(36:26):
and we're brought into the ACC and people are still
wondering how it's going to work out. What I wonder
and I believe that you're correct, and I think that
it won't just be Florida State. It will be multiple
schools leaving the ACC. Is what happens to the schools
in the big ten in the SEC that maybe aren't
(36:47):
like are you going to go twenty four school leagues?
Or are you going to be like, all right, how
do we make this work?
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Now?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Like there's are we going to just have an enormous
sec in an enormous big ten. Can the Big twelve
grab any of the acc and make it work? Because
there are schools there that I think could fit really
nicely in the footprint that a lot of people have mentioned.
I just wonder, then, is that what we're going to
look at. Is anybody going to be left on the wayside?
(37:13):
How will that turn out?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And I would just say I wonder really quick if
eventually we get to contraction. So many of these decisions
are based off of this school wants more money, so
they're leaving for X. What's the best way to get
more money? Get rid of the Vanderbilts, the Mississippi State
schools like that.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yeah, that's where I think that we could be headed.
I don't know how you can do it, but I
think we could be going that route. He's Aaron Torres.
I'm Dan Beyer. Video replay in the NFL in Major
League Baseball better not be like what it is in soccer.
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