July 17, 2024 • 35 mins
Dan Beyer and Aaron Torres, in for Covino & Rich, preview the college football season and debate who is the most intriguing team in the SEC. The guys discuss the potential of Florida State and Clemson heading to the Big 12. Plus, is Bill Belichick destined to become the next head coach of the Cowboys?!
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I'm sorry, rules are rules, but when the SEC holds
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latest of what is happening on this Wednesday, as there
is a bunch of news. You heard her talking about
the SEC and the possibility of maybe expanding to a
nine game schedule. One of the many things that we
are talking about is the SEC is dominating college football
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And Aaron Torres just has a smorgas board of food
in the morning of the opening of the college football
season and then burns it off by flipping the remotes
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back and forth. Right, That's that's about all of I
think I did a step counter on the first day
of college football, and at four o'clock in the afternoon,
I was about at twenty six twenty six steps in
the opener of the college football season.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The irony, of course is, you know, I'm blessed to
host the postgame show eleven pm Eastern every Saturday, and
I actually usually don't eat heavy because then I just
get groggy and end up falling asleep. But that first day,
you gotta celebrate. I mean you can't. You know, you
can't go light and you know, eat twigs and berries.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You got to.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You gotta load up because it is a celebration. And
incredibly we're closing in here in just a couple of
weeks on this year's celebration for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
In when SEC Media Days are underway, there are always
stories being generated. Four day event, and they were the
first conference to go four days, right they were, I believe,
so they made it the week long event. I know
it was crazy to think. I remember back in the
day when I covered, you know, in the Big Ten,
and the basketball one was just a day. The football
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one may may have been two days, but I don't
think that it was. I think it was just one
day back then. But now you kind of have to
have a whole week, and sorry, when you have sixteen
and eighteen schools in your conference, kind of have to
do it that way anyway, but it allows each of
the schools at least a window get their headlines. And
today sure feels like Alabama.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Texas Day, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't know what we've had previously, but that's what
today's sure feels like with Steve Sarkizian and Kitlin de
Bor being able to talk and speak with the media.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, yesterday was Kirby Smart.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You know, we didn't get a chance to talk about
a Cavino and Rich and probably not a topic that
the guys were normally hit on, but I thought it
was interesting. Kirby Smart said, players getting off the field
issues are collective and for people who don't know, collectives
are the ones who handle the nil money. It's outside
of the coaching staff whatever. Their collective actually finds players,
so it's like a professional model. I think day one, Dan,
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I was thinking about it. I think Nick Saban was
the star of Day one because he was, of course
the guy who picked against I don't want Sae. He
picked against Alabama, but he picked Georgia and Texas in
the SEC Championship game. But he also did say if
Texas stanks, they're walking into this league and running things,
they don't know what's coming for him, So I felt
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like he was kind of the break star day one.
Day two was Kirby Smart. And then, as you alluded
to throughout the day, today here on Wednesday, it's been
a lot of Sark and a lot of Kilinda Borr
in his sec media days day, don't.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You the thing about Saban And I feel like for
as much clout as he has when you're and this
happens in the pros as well. I know everybody thinks
that you know, Troy Aikman when he's broadcasting games is
so pro Cowboys because he can't get it out of
your head of him being in a Cowboy uniform with
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a star on his helmet and winning three Super Bowls.
I think if you're impartial and truly listen, you would
understand maybe Troy Aikman knows a little bit more about
the Cowboys than the other thirty one teams because of
his connections with the team. But to say that you
have a favorite is I just I don't believe that's
the case with these with these announcers. Also because a
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lot of the analysts that you have are former players
or former coaches, so they know the former coaches or
the coaches that are here there, and a lot of
times coaches move different places. So maybe you don't have
the grudge that you think it's all about relationships. It's
not really the reality that I think fans think these
broadcasters have that's not their real world. But I do
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think that there is something that Nick Saban coming out
and giving an actual opinion of who he thinks is
going to win the conference. Because if he comes out
and just says, well, I think Alabama's going to win
the league, now all of a sudden, he becomes a
bit of a caricature as a college football analyst. And
so I actually do think it was important for him.
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If he doesn't think Alabama is going to win the league,
then he shouldn't pick Alabama to win the league, despite
his history with that program. And by the way, it's
not that George and Texas is outlandish by any means, right,
you know, it seems like it's pretty chalk. But I
don't think that he could risk that for his reputation
as an analyst to come out and say Alabama, because
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then we're not taking him seriously at all when he's
actually breaking down teams and making other predictions throughout the year.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, and I'll take it a step further is if
you actually listen to the full quote. The quote was
Georgia Texas and then he kind of went into you know,
Alabama and he said, we with Alabama said we have
to shore up the secondary.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But if you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Actually read the whole quote, and I know nobody does
that anymore, he said something to the effect of, you know,
I like Texas and they have concerns, but he said
they might have the best. You know, Quinn Ewers is great,
but even though he's been hurt, they have the best
backup quarterback in the league. And he said arch went
twenty one of twenty five during their spring game. And
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I actually haven't looked that up to confirm, but that
was like, Oh, this guy's really doing his homework and
he's not gonna go on air and just you know,
spit out. Oh you know, yeah, well, and I recruited
him four years ago and just go off thinking that,
you know, having coached against these guys or whatever, that
I have some you know, that I have enough insight
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where I don't have to do the homework. So even
in that quote, he gave a couple real nuggets about
well Arch Manny did this in the spring game, and
even if Youewers goes down, I still like the quarterback
depth that they have. And he said a couple things
about Georgia, so that was what impressed me about Sabin
was it is very clear that not only is he
afraid to not only is he unafraid excuse me to
give real opinions, but by all accounts, it really does
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feel like he's doing all of his homework.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It also helps to talk about this today as opposed
to say Monday or Tuesday, because we did hear from
Kalin to Boor and Ross Dellinger. Yahoo Sports actually did
a really good rundown of what the bor has been
going through, specifically at these SEC media days, and the
interactions with Sabin have been really good. You sometimes wonder
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does the coach stick around? Does the coach end up
trying to separate themselves from everything there is? There is
a weird balance with it, and I think that it
would be not It wouldn't be good for Klen de
Boor if Nick Saban just completely left Alabama high and dry,
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but it also wouldn't be good for Klen de Boor
if Nick Saban was everywhere like so, so there's this
navigation too of just finding out of where does Nick
Saban have his have his say. Debor was saying that
he's Saban's picked up the phone every single time he's
called and Saban still has in office. It's just not
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right across the hall from Kalen de bors. I think
it's at the stadium and not at the practice facility,
but that Saban is readily available, and I think that's
really gonna help Alabama and Kalen de Boor in his
in his first season, because yeah, if you have too
much or too little, If you have too little, it
makes it look like, Okay, this isn't a Saban guy,
and only Saban guy guys end up working. And if
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you do too much, then it's not your program anymore.
So it is quite a fine fine dance to to
try to navigate if you're you know, if you're the
Alabama head coach and now the former Alabama head coach,
whether you're a broadcaster or not. So it is a
weird situation and just trying to get used to. But
it seems like Saban and Debor have handled everything about
as well as you could so far. Well.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I think the last point you made is an important
one is that often when we see these transitions at
these major, major programs, it's one guy handing the program
literally to another. Bob stoops to Lincoln Riley, Urban Meyer
to Ryan Day, Coach k to John Shire, Roy Williams
to Hubert Davis. So I think that's kind of the
(09:33):
interesting part that I don't think, really, I don't want
to say it doesn't get talked about, because it certainly has.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But you know, there's not a.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Lot of examples of elite coach kind of stepping aside
when he still got his fastball. I'm not talking about well,
you know, six years ago they made a Final four
and the program's been going downhill since and that sounded
like Caliperry, that wasn't the attention. But you get the
points like there's not a lot of examples of a
guy basically at the height of his powers. And I
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think you could say, even though that it win the
championship last year, Nick Saban did win the SEC but
handing it over to somebody completely new And so I
think because especially that he has no real ties to
debor that I'm aware of anyway, I think it is
kind of important that, to Nick Saban's credit, it feels
like he's been hands off. I think he actually even
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said during today's broadcast that he hasn't been in the
facility at all basically, you know, since since the day
or two after he stepped away. And I think especially
for them, it's important because then you know, you have
players that were recruited by Nick Saban. Again, this isn't
a Ryan Day taking over for Urban Meyer, where we
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were all kind of rolling in the same direction. And
I do think there would be a weird thing of like, well,
if Sabin's here too much, is he's still running this thing?
Do I have to respect the new guys? So I
give credit to Saban. You spend fifteen years of your
life turning something into the best in the business that
it is, and it feels like he really has kind
of handed over the keys. And again to your point,
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Dan said, listen, I'm here if you need me, but
I'm not gonna be over your shoulder because I don't
want to send the wrong impression.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Is that by default the best story, the most intriguing
story of the SEC this year.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I don't think it is.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
You don't think it is.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I yeah, sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
No, I just like it's just because like replacing Nick
Saban and Alabama like that, like it says, it says
was you know it? It is? What it is I
get it. I just almost feel like by default now
I think that there are two or other two or
three that are really really intriguing, but it's just tough
to top that and to find out if Alabama is
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going to be able to keep at the level that
they had previously been.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
The only the only reason I think it's there's a
story that's bigger is because you have two of the
biggest brands coming in this year. I mean, I don't
think it's by necessarily by accident that Nick Saban did
decide to step away at this exact moment, when the
league's changing, when the sport's changing, when the postseason changing, whatever.
But I just think, you know, if I had to
rank them one two, I probably would say, Hey, Texas
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and Oklahoma coming in, two massive brands, Like respectfully, this
isn't a SMU going to the acc or something like.
This is two massive brands that started all these dominoes.
And I think why I would put a little bit
higher is to what you brought up a second ago, Dan,
is that like Texas, whether it happens or not, they're
coming into this league to win this puppy like like
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they think that they won the Big Twelve, they made
the fourteen playoff last year, and they believe that they
have a roster that's good enough to win the SEC,
win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Don't know if it's gonna happen, none of us do,
but that to me makes it interesting.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oklahoma is still in a little bit of a rebuild.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean, you and I had Chris plank on last
week when when we were filling in, and I think
even even Oklahoma fans understand it's going to be a process.
Their schedule on paper appears to be a little bit tougher.
But I think because those two teams come in again,
I know I've said it three times, massive brands, but
then also one that really believes that they're good enough
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to win it, that just leads to a fascinating fall
for the Texas Longhorns, specifically.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
If ole Miss does what we think they can do
or what they could maybe do, I don't I you're right,
Like you're right with the Texas Oklahoma thing, and I
also think I'm right with the Alabama thing. And even
if ole Miss goes on a run like that, like
I just look at I look at ole Miss and Honestly,
I look at Missouri, which I know is probably the
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fifteenth out of the sixteen sixteenth school people want to
talk about in the SEC, even though they you know,
coming off of a great season and continued, you know,
could have great success. Like you want to talk about
teams that are knocking on the door and trying to
trying to get there. If it's not Texas in Georgia
or if it's one of those two teams that aren't there,
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you gotta figure out who's next. And Ole Miss and
Missouri actually have great opportunities to then maybe be that
other team. So while they're not the top stories Aaron like,
it's just tough to top Saban and it's tough to
top Texas in on you moving in, just the possible
of a success of link Iffing and Ole Miss and
maybe what Missouri could continue I think is very intriguing
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when you look into the SEC.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Two very interesting teams because it's easy to forget. You know,
we get Alabama Georgia in the SEC championship game. Both
those teams won eleven games last year and both really
you know, dominant bowl game wins over big ten teams.
I mean, Ole Miss just goes to the Peach Bowl
and destroys Penn State. Now Penn State's its own thing,
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and what's up with that offense? But then, you know,
we've talked a lot about the Ryan Day stuff and
what is there a hot seat? How hot is it? Whatever?
But I think everybody thinks it's the Michigan three straight
losses to Michigan. But as somebody who was on air
that Friday night of the Cotton Bowl where they literally
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could not move the ball against Missouri, and Missouri was
good defensively, but they weren't Michigan or Alabama or whoever.
That was the night where it felt like the temperature
got turned up because you'll lose three straight to your rival.
It's like, okay, that's bad. But this Missouri team, great school,
great season, you know, moderate historical success, and they just
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couldn't do anything. And that was when they went heavy
in the portal. Obviously, all reports are they went heavy
in nil. They were to their credit able to retain
a couple guys that had legitimate NBA or NFL draft opportunities.
Excuse me, but I think people forget that it was
really that Missouri game, a dominant win for Missouri.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'll tell you what, as an Ohio State fan, I
don't think it has anything. I don't think that can anything.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I disagree, totally disagree.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Devin Brown got hurt and so now you have a
quarterback three points. Yeah, I know that's because I'm just
telling you, Aaron, I'm just telling you, like is in
the I'm not disagreeing that Ryan Day's hot seat isn't hot,
But I don't think a Cotton Bowl that they were
really interested in playing is the reason why it was.
(16:23):
It was twenty five years ago when John Cooper was
there not winning bowl games, but like you have to
beat Michigan this year, oh yeah. But what I find
what I find interesting, and I'm not gonna make this
because we're talking about the SEC. What I find interesting
about it, though, is Missouri has taken a lot of
juice from that Cotton Bowl, oh yeah, to carry over
for their own season, which is a good thing, which
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has nothing to do with Ohio State. But that's all
been a positive for Missouri. I don't think. I don't
think the Cotton Bowl of any residual effect for what
Ohio State has, but I think it has a lot
to do with Missouri, which could help them in this
SEC season.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, I'll agree on the Missouri point. I'll be quick
on Ohio State. I think if they win that game
twenty four to three and Harball leaves and it's like, Okay,
we're gonna run this conference again. But I don't know
I was on air. That was the temperature in that moment.
As we know with any fan base in any sport,
when you have a loss coming off of a loss
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to your biggest rival, maybe it was just a heat
of the moment thing. I think it had a little
bit more to do with it than whatever. It doesn't
really matter, but I do think it speaks to the
broader point of what you just said. Missouri really rode
that momentum. O misreally rode that momentum. And the one
thing I will add Dan about just this new era
of college football. I don't know if I've said it
with you. I know I've said it with j mart
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Jason Martin on my Saturday show. The thing that I
think college football fans are gonna have to get used to.
Schedules have always mattered, but now it does feel almost
like the NFL. And I keep saying this, but you know,
you know, part of every year we get a team
in the NFL that goes from worse to first, and
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part of it is is that, well, they're playing a
worst play schedule. So if they're incrementally better and they're
playing a lot of bad teams, by definition, they could
in theory make a big jump. And I only bring
that up because you look at Missouri and Ole Miss
and part of it is the enthusiasm around those two
specific teams, But part of it is, by these new
SEC standards, pretty manageable schedule. Neither place Texas you know,
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Old miss does have to play Georgia, but they get
them at home and we don't have to go through schedules.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But but that is part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And I bige and I would and I would just say,
from a broader perspective, I think that's another thing that
fans are gonna have to wrap their arms around. And
one of the coaches said it today at SEC media days,
and I can't remember who it might have even been,
Greg Sank, but basically, like you know this, like like it.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I know divisions weren't perfect either, but you kind.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Of knew who was the best team in the conference
by the end of the year because they they you know,
even if they the Big Ten East was tougher, you
still had to go through either Ohio State or Michigan
to win it. And I just think there's gonna be
weird years where we might not get the two best
teams in the SEC in the championship game because of
the fact the way that the schedules are imbalanced. I
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think it favors both of those teams that we're talking
about Old miss and Missouri this year because the schedules
line up a little bit more in their favor.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it is. It is funny when you look at
you know, you take Georgia for example, and you're like, Okay,
you have Texas, Alabama and Ole Miss on your schedule. Yeah,
But then when we talk about Texas, Alabama and Ole Miss,
we say, you guys, got Georgia on your schedule. You know,
so that there's this there's this back and forth of
it that you know well and that you do have
and if you're Missouri in that scenario, you know, yeah,
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it's a little better to not have Georgia, say, on
your schedule.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Well, And I think that's like and like George is
kind of an interesting like example of that, right is
that Georgia could be the best team, but all of
a sudden, you used to have Vanny in South Carolina
on your schedule. I know, South Carolina's historic rival, and
I think as they redo the schedules, they may be
kind of an annual thing, but those are probably the
two worst teams in that old SECS.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They're not on the schedule.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Now all of a sudden, you got Adam will miss
you got at Techas or yeah, at Texas and at Alabama.
And it's like, I don't think Georgia's losing all three
of those games and somehow missing the SEC championship game.
But again, compare it with what Missouri's got, and all
of a sudden, you're like, you could see the scenario
where Missouri's eleven and one. You know, Georgia's whatever nine
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and three, or Alabama's may be really good, but they're
nine and three because of the schedule. It's just I
just think, again, without nerding out too hard on team
by team schedules, that's just gonna play a much bigger
role going forward than I think a lot of people think.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And I think this is the right way to put
a Bow on it because Manzi's been talking about it
in our updates. This league wants to find out how
things are going to play out in a twelve team playoff,
and when they see how they respond, then they'll make
the decision on expanding from eight to nine conference games
if it's beneficial or not. In the scenario that you
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just laid out aaron of where you have these teams,
it may not be as important. And I still have
a question on what's going to happen to actual conference
championship games in the future of college football, depending on,
you know, on the changes that we could have. But
if you are Greg Sank and you haven't made that
decision yet, and you see in the scenario that you
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laid out, if a Georgia team does have three losses,
how does that affect him? Well, that trickle down effect
is then all right, do you or don't you add
that ninth game that you would maybe need or not need.
So I think that I think all of that is
tied together with how this plays out because of the
number of teams and the you know, the way that
the schedules are so uneven. So it's still it's a
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work in progress, but one that could have you know,
huge ramifications for this year because nobody knows really what
to expect.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, and it just speaks to again, I think it's
the nflification, if you will. It's a bad word, not
a bad word, but a bad way to explain it.
But again, where you know Chargers, if they take off
with Justin Herbert this year, you know, in theory they
could with with Jim Harba excuse me, and Justin Herbert
in theory could be you know, a team that just
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gets into the field, but that that hypothetical team that
you don't want to play as the second or third
team out of that division. And I think you can
see that with the Georgia, right is that they don't
have the best record or the loser of the SEC
championship game now gets into the field as the seven, eight, nine,
ten seed, whatever it is, and all of a sudden
you're looking up and there in the semi finals because
just the way the schedule broke didn't allow them to
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win the league. Of course, get that first round by
which will be included going forward.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Just an interesting new world of college football that we're entering.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
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Big Twelve does have their eyes on Florida State and
(24:44):
Clemson as possible additions to their league if they can
exit out of the ACC. So you hear this report,
the first thing that pops into my mind, crazy or
is it genius on the part of these schools maybe
leaving or wanting to go to the Big twelve. But
the Big twelve it would obviously be huge. But I
(25:06):
did have my you know, like thoughts and second guesses
of why Florida State and Clemson would maybe want to
jump ship to go to the Big twelve and not
the Big ten of the SEC.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, I mean, first of all, yeah, the guy who
put out the initial report on Sunday night is guy
named Jason Sheer covers Arizona, good friend of mine, and
a guy that was all over sadly the PAC twelve
breakup a year ago. And where it kind of gets interesting,
Dan is kind of the duel the secondary report from
Brett McMurphy from the Action Network, who did put out
(25:37):
a post I believe it was yesterday basically saying I'll
just read it verbatim from his social media feed. Big
ten and SEC has quote no interest to add Florida
State if it leaves the ACC and the ACC stays intact.
So that's kind of an interesting thing where I guess
if the ACC just totally implodes, maybe they would be interested.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I'll just say this, Dan, this is kind of a
thirty thousand foot thing, and then you could take it
wherever you want. I don't, you know, I certainly have
thoughts on the Big Twelve element of this. I don't
know if it's possible, but can we just get to
whatever point the end of this is, like, like, I
don't need the well Florida State and Clemson leave for
(26:20):
the Big Twelve? What like, who does the ACC backfill?
It's like, I don't care. Just get all these conferences
on board, get all the TV networks on board, give
me the whatever it is, forty eight or fifty or
thirty six or whatever it is, schools that are really
willing to compete and going to compete at the highest
level of college football. We don't need all this moving
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and this and that. It's just it's so exhausting. I
don't think it's the benefit of everybody. I think we
all think at some point we're gonna get to basically,
for lack of a better term, a college football super league.
I just want to get there, man. That's that's kind
of my biggest takeaway out of all this.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I thought it was I thought it was crazy at first,
and then I thought it was genius on those two schools,
because if the Big Twelve is bringing in private equity,
and Florida State and Clemson could get more money and
then maybe dominate a league like they could. I mean,
if they they came in, they would be you know,
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at the top, if not the top of those standings.
It would be what they would want right now from
the ACC, right they would they would they want they
want more money. I don't I don't know if they
want to leave the ACC. I think they just want
more money. I mean to go to the SEC and
not be as good as a team because of the competition,
or get a similar amount of money or close to
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it and be dominant. I think are pretty even. You know,
like if if that's what it all comes down to,
if you can go to the Big twelve and be
one of the top teams and get that much more money,
it's an absolute no brainer. So it's genius. But it's
funny that Brett McMurphy says that because it actually goes
along with something that I've thought privately but never have
said publicly until now, and it's I don't think Florida
(28:04):
State is as big as they think they are.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, you did say, I remember last year we did
the whole Like you know, everybody says that x X
school is good. It's college football is better when X
school is good. And it's like, is Florida State really
part of that conversation? I will say, Like, it's interesting
because part of why they want out is they basically
have the part of it is that they have done
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studies at Florida State where they basically they and obviously
Clemson create you know, like ninety percent of all interest
in the in the ACC in terms of you know,
ratings and the you know games games with five million,
six million, four million, whatever the number is that they use.
Basically it's them and Clemson, and so I get it.
(28:52):
I guess just the thing that I'm you know, the
thing that I'm looking at is one just the do
the numbers actually make sense in terms of you know,
we hear about private equity, but remember a lot of
the private equity stuff would be to get them out
of their contract currently with the ACC unless other teams
were able to get out too. So, like the point
(29:12):
is part of the private equity stuff is to get
them out of the contract with the ACC, and then
you bring them to the Big twelve and then to
your point, Dan, the reason they want out is because
they want to be able to get equal money with
an SEC and a Big ten school, which is not
even close to what the Big twelve is doing right now.
So that's long winded, but right now the math doesn't
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totally add up to me.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It would be very intriguing and then would likely signify
the death of the ACC. But then what that does
is it triggers maybe an exodus for other schools within
the ACC, North Carolina, you know, NC State, Virginia Tech,
those schools to go to the other leagues, and then
(29:57):
the Big ten of the SEC maybe get plump on those,
so it could be yeah, I mean, and so then
in that fact share, then the Big twelve maybe is
losing a little bit even more like they wouldn't even
be as close to.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I agree, it still doesn't really make sense to me.
And the thing that I laugh about is I heard
somebody say this is like, well, Florida State and Clemson
are looking for stability in the Big twelve. It's like
the only reason the ACC is unstable is because you
two are trying to get out, Like that's why it's unstable.
So it's interesting, and I trust the reporting from Jason Sheer,
(30:30):
who's really good at what he does, but some parts
of it just don't totally add up.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
But the Big Twelve is also looking at private equity
for their current members exactly, no, correct, like, So, so
the fact of them maybe getting more money from the
Big Twelve in the long run, aside from them getting
out of the ace A CC, would be a reason
why maybe they would also be interested because at some
point there could be more money in that league than
there is in the ACC.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
So yeah, no, it's it's it's all kind of confusing
to talk out, and maybe I'm making it extra confusing,
but the money just still doesn't add up to because Yeah,
to your point, there's whatever sixteen teams now in the
Big Twelve that are like, I don't think they want
Florida State and Clemson to come in and just start
making way more money than them. The counter to that
would be the TV value of the conference would go up.
(31:19):
I don't think it would go up that much where
they could pay off all the sequities. So there's a
lot of the maths stuff that still doesn't totally make
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, and it's you know, Florida State is a good
to great program in college football. I just don't think
they're a program that moves the needle, because I think
that there are only maybe maybe five to ten programs
that actually really do that.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And I don't think that Florida State is actually one
of them. No great success, but yeah, not one of those.
All right. He's Er Torres. I'm Dan Byer. There's his
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It's I don't think it's too early to say this.
I think off season Hard Knocks of the New York
Giants is now my favorite Hard Knocks version. Yeah, I
don't like I don't like the end season. I love
the Training Camp one, but off season, each episode has
(32:38):
gotten better.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Feels like there's a lot coming out of it, and
not just because oh it's it's June or July and
there's nothing else going on, like people are And I
think what's interesting about it is there's a real hindsight
to it where you watch hard knocks, you know, in
training Camp, and it's like a day behind what's happening
in real life, where obviously, you know, you see the
(33:00):
quotes about Saquon Barkley about like, oh Mike, you know
obviously what came out, you know, over the last day
or so, and it's like, well, now it's unfolded, and
now you can go back and be like, wow, that's
a real thing. And that's how they felt in that moment,
as opposed to something just happened yesterday and now you're
getting Brian Dables' response to it or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It was really good last night, and the Saquon stuff
is making a lot of news even though it happened
months ago, because it aired last night. But there's another
branch of this is if the Giants have a bad season,
you wonder what's gonna happen with Brian Dable, and right now,
according to bet Online, Bill Belichick is a ten to
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one shot to be the next head coach of the
New York Giants. That is not the shortest odds though,
of any team in the NFL. You have Papa Bears
Raiders at eight to one, the Bears we talked about
eber Flus earlier at six to one, the Eagles are
at five to one, and the Dallas Cowboys right now
(34:01):
sit at even money one to one odds to be
to have Bill Belichick be their coach week one of
the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, very quick, because I know we don't have
much time. Do you buy it? Because Jerry just moves
so slow on everything. But also like if Mike McCarthy
doesn't do it this year, you cannot bring him back.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I just it makes too much sense. But I just
feel like it makes so much sense that it's not
gonna happen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I think that the Parcels landing makes people think that
if Jerry could get Parcels, he can get Belichick and
there should be enough pieces. But I that Giants at
ten to one. I actually think Belichick, and have thought
this for years, would love to coach the Giants again,
and I think that that would be a spot. Whether
he'd be in for the long haul, who knows, but
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that would be the thing that I would watch.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
No, I think the Giants make a lot of sense
because of his history with that team. I just I
think the Cowboys sounds. It's great on paper, but it's
a lot less likely than people kind of make it up.
Hey, thanks for listening to the Covino and Rich Podcast.
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm sorry, rules are rules, but when the SEC holds
their media days, yeah it's football season, welcome in. Yeah,
there's no Coveno and no Rich, and there's no Danny
g and no Spotty. But you have Aaron and Me,
and you've got Ryan bursching Oer, our executive producer. Who's
hanging out today, Papa Bear, Ryan McBain is here and
Manzi Blanios is at the news desk giving us the
(00:40):
latest of what is happening on this Wednesday, as there
is a bunch of news. You heard her talking about
the SEC and the possibility of maybe expanding to a
nine game schedule. One of the many things that we
are talking about is the SEC is dominating college football
talk and it will right now here on CNR. Hit
them up at aeron Underscore or you can find me
(01:00):
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rolls during the early morning hours of watching the Open Championship.
Ryan Bershinger loves to fire up the old Madden on
Thanksgiving Day but not playing as the Lions at home.
And Aaron Torres just has a smorgas board of food
in the morning of the opening of the college football
season and then burns it off by flipping the remotes
(01:45):
back and forth. Right, That's that's about all of I
think I did a step counter on the first day
of college football, and at four o'clock in the afternoon,
I was about at twenty six twenty six steps in
the opener of the college football season.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The irony, of course is, you know, I'm blessed to
host the postgame show eleven pm Eastern every Saturday, and
I actually usually don't eat heavy because then I just
get groggy and end up falling asleep. But that first day,
you gotta celebrate. I mean you can't. You know, you
can't go light and you know, eat twigs and berries.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You got to.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You gotta load up because it is a celebration. And
incredibly we're closing in here in just a couple of
weeks on this year's celebration for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
In when SEC Media Days are underway, there are always
stories being generated. Four day event, and they were the
first conference to go four days, right they were, I believe,
so they made it the week long event. I know
it was crazy to think. I remember back in the
day when I covered, you know, in the Big Ten,
and the basketball one was just a day. The football
(02:49):
one may may have been two days, but I don't
think that it was. I think it was just one
day back then. But now you kind of have to
have a whole week, and sorry, when you have sixteen
and eighteen schools in your conference, kind of have to
do it that way anyway, but it allows each of
the schools at least a window get their headlines. And
today sure feels like Alabama.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Texas Day, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't know what we've had previously, but that's what
today's sure feels like with Steve Sarkizian and Kitlin de
Bor being able to talk and speak with the media.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, yesterday was Kirby Smart.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You know, we didn't get a chance to talk about
a Cavino and Rich and probably not a topic that
the guys were normally hit on, but I thought it
was interesting. Kirby Smart said, players getting off the field
issues are collective and for people who don't know, collectives
are the ones who handle the nil money. It's outside
of the coaching staff whatever. Their collective actually finds players,
so it's like a professional model. I think day one, Dan,
(03:38):
I was thinking about it. I think Nick Saban was
the star of Day one because he was, of course
the guy who picked against I don't want Sae. He
picked against Alabama, but he picked Georgia and Texas in
the SEC Championship game. But he also did say if
Texas stanks, they're walking into this league and running things,
they don't know what's coming for him, So I felt
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like he was kind of the break star day one.
Day two was Kirby Smart. And then, as you alluded
to throughout the day, today here on Wednesday, it's been
a lot of Sark and a lot of Kilinda Borr
in his sec media days day, don't.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You the thing about Saban And I feel like for
as much clout as he has when you're and this
happens in the pros as well. I know everybody thinks
that you know, Troy Aikman when he's broadcasting games is
so pro Cowboys because he can't get it out of
your head of him being in a Cowboy uniform with
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a star on his helmet and winning three Super Bowls.
I think if you're impartial and truly listen, you would
understand maybe Troy Aikman knows a little bit more about
the Cowboys than the other thirty one teams because of
his connections with the team. But to say that you
have a favorite is I just I don't believe that's
the case with these with these announcers. Also because a
(04:54):
lot of the analysts that you have are former players
or former coaches, so they know the former coaches or
the coaches that are here there, and a lot of
times coaches move different places. So maybe you don't have
the grudge that you think it's all about relationships. It's
not really the reality that I think fans think these
broadcasters have that's not their real world. But I do
(05:16):
think that there is something that Nick Saban coming out
and giving an actual opinion of who he thinks is
going to win the conference. Because if he comes out
and just says, well, I think Alabama's going to win
the league, now all of a sudden, he becomes a
bit of a caricature as a college football analyst. And
so I actually do think it was important for him.
(05:37):
If he doesn't think Alabama is going to win the league,
then he shouldn't pick Alabama to win the league, despite
his history with that program. And by the way, it's
not that George and Texas is outlandish by any means, right,
you know, it seems like it's pretty chalk. But I
don't think that he could risk that for his reputation
as an analyst to come out and say Alabama, because
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then we're not taking him seriously at all when he's
actually breaking down teams and making other predictions throughout the year.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, and I'll take it a step further is if
you actually listen to the full quote. The quote was
Georgia Texas and then he kind of went into you know,
Alabama and he said, we with Alabama said we have
to shore up the secondary.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But if you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Actually read the whole quote, and I know nobody does
that anymore, he said something to the effect of, you know,
I like Texas and they have concerns, but he said
they might have the best. You know, Quinn Ewers is great,
but even though he's been hurt, they have the best
backup quarterback in the league. And he said arch went
twenty one of twenty five during their spring game. And
(06:41):
I actually haven't looked that up to confirm, but that
was like, Oh, this guy's really doing his homework and
he's not gonna go on air and just you know,
spit out. Oh you know, yeah, well, and I recruited
him four years ago and just go off thinking that,
you know, having coached against these guys or whatever, that
I have some you know, that I have enough insight
(07:02):
where I don't have to do the homework. So even
in that quote, he gave a couple real nuggets about
well Arch Manny did this in the spring game, and
even if Youewers goes down, I still like the quarterback
depth that they have. And he said a couple things
about Georgia, so that was what impressed me about Sabin
was it is very clear that not only is he
afraid to not only is he unafraid excuse me to
give real opinions, but by all accounts, it really does
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feel like he's doing all of his homework.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It also helps to talk about this today as opposed
to say Monday or Tuesday, because we did hear from
Kalin to Boor and Ross Dellinger. Yahoo Sports actually did
a really good rundown of what the bor has been
going through, specifically at these SEC media days, and the
interactions with Sabin have been really good. You sometimes wonder
(07:47):
does the coach stick around? Does the coach end up
trying to separate themselves from everything there is? There is
a weird balance with it, and I think that it
would be not It wouldn't be good for Klen de
Boor if Nick Saban just completely left Alabama high and dry,
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but it also wouldn't be good for Klen de Boor
if Nick Saban was everywhere like so, so there's this
navigation too of just finding out of where does Nick
Saban have his have his say. Debor was saying that
he's Saban's picked up the phone every single time he's
called and Saban still has in office. It's just not
(08:29):
right across the hall from Kalen de bors. I think
it's at the stadium and not at the practice facility,
but that Saban is readily available, and I think that's
really gonna help Alabama and Kalen de Boor in his
in his first season, because yeah, if you have too
much or too little, If you have too little, it
makes it look like, Okay, this isn't a Saban guy,
and only Saban guy guys end up working. And if
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you do too much, then it's not your program anymore.
So it is quite a fine fine dance to to
try to navigate if you're you know, if you're the
Alabama head coach and now the former Alabama head coach,
whether you're a broadcaster or not. So it is a
weird situation and just trying to get used to. But
it seems like Saban and Debor have handled everything about
as well as you could so far. Well.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I think the last point you made is an important
one is that often when we see these transitions at
these major, major programs, it's one guy handing the program
literally to another. Bob stoops to Lincoln Riley, Urban Meyer
to Ryan Day, Coach k to John Shire, Roy Williams
to Hubert Davis. So I think that's kind of the
(09:33):
interesting part that I don't think, really, I don't want
to say it doesn't get talked about, because it certainly has.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But you know, there's not a.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Lot of examples of elite coach kind of stepping aside
when he still got his fastball. I'm not talking about well,
you know, six years ago they made a Final four
and the program's been going downhill since and that sounded
like Caliperry, that wasn't the attention. But you get the
points like there's not a lot of examples of a
guy basically at the height of his powers. And I
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think you could say, even though that it win the
championship last year, Nick Saban did win the SEC but
handing it over to somebody completely new And so I
think because especially that he has no real ties to
debor that I'm aware of anyway, I think it is
kind of important that, to Nick Saban's credit, it feels
like he's been hands off. I think he actually even
(10:22):
said during today's broadcast that he hasn't been in the
facility at all basically, you know, since since the day
or two after he stepped away. And I think especially
for them, it's important because then you know, you have
players that were recruited by Nick Saban. Again, this isn't
a Ryan Day taking over for Urban Meyer, where we
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were all kind of rolling in the same direction. And
I do think there would be a weird thing of like, well,
if Sabin's here too much, is he's still running this thing?
Do I have to respect the new guys? So I
give credit to Saban. You spend fifteen years of your
life turning something into the best in the business that
it is, and it feels like he really has kind
of handed over the keys. And again to your point,
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Dan said, listen, I'm here if you need me, but
I'm not gonna be over your shoulder because I don't
want to send the wrong impression.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Is that by default the best story, the most intriguing
story of the SEC this year.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I don't think it is.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
You don't think it is.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I yeah, sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
No, I just like it's just because like replacing Nick
Saban and Alabama like that, like it says, it says
was you know it? It is? What it is I
get it. I just almost feel like by default now
I think that there are two or other two or
three that are really really intriguing, but it's just tough
to top that and to find out if Alabama is
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going to be able to keep at the level that
they had previously been.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
The only the only reason I think it's there's a
story that's bigger is because you have two of the
biggest brands coming in this year. I mean, I don't
think it's by necessarily by accident that Nick Saban did
decide to step away at this exact moment, when the
league's changing, when the sport's changing, when the postseason changing, whatever.
But I just think, you know, if I had to
rank them one two, I probably would say, Hey, Texas
(12:14):
and Oklahoma coming in, two massive brands, Like respectfully, this
isn't a SMU going to the acc or something like.
This is two massive brands that started all these dominoes.
And I think why I would put a little bit
higher is to what you brought up a second ago, Dan,
is that like Texas, whether it happens or not, they're
coming into this league to win this puppy like like
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they think that they won the Big Twelve, they made
the fourteen playoff last year, and they believe that they
have a roster that's good enough to win the SEC,
win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Don't know if it's gonna happen, none of us do,
but that to me makes it interesting.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oklahoma is still in a little bit of a rebuild.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean, you and I had Chris plank on last
week when when we were filling in, and I think
even even Oklahoma fans understand it's going to be a process.
Their schedule on paper appears to be a little bit tougher.
But I think because those two teams come in again,
I know I've said it three times, massive brands, but
then also one that really believes that they're good enough
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to win it, that just leads to a fascinating fall
for the Texas Longhorns, specifically.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
If ole Miss does what we think they can do
or what they could maybe do, I don't I you're right,
Like you're right with the Texas Oklahoma thing, and I
also think I'm right with the Alabama thing. And even
if ole Miss goes on a run like that, like
I just look at I look at ole Miss and Honestly,
I look at Missouri, which I know is probably the
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fifteenth out of the sixteen sixteenth school people want to
talk about in the SEC, even though they you know,
coming off of a great season and continued, you know,
could have great success. Like you want to talk about
teams that are knocking on the door and trying to
trying to get there. If it's not Texas in Georgia
or if it's one of those two teams that aren't there,
(14:02):
you gotta figure out who's next. And Ole Miss and
Missouri actually have great opportunities to then maybe be that
other team. So while they're not the top stories Aaron like,
it's just tough to top Saban and it's tough to
top Texas in on you moving in, just the possible
of a success of link Iffing and Ole Miss and
maybe what Missouri could continue I think is very intriguing
(14:25):
when you look into the SEC.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Two very interesting teams because it's easy to forget. You know,
we get Alabama Georgia in the SEC championship game. Both
those teams won eleven games last year and both really
you know, dominant bowl game wins over big ten teams.
I mean, Ole Miss just goes to the Peach Bowl
and destroys Penn State. Now Penn State's its own thing,
(14:49):
and what's up with that offense? But then, you know,
we've talked a lot about the Ryan Day stuff and
what is there a hot seat? How hot is it? Whatever?
But I think everybody thinks it's the Michigan three straight
losses to Michigan. But as somebody who was on air
that Friday night of the Cotton Bowl where they literally
(15:10):
could not move the ball against Missouri, and Missouri was
good defensively, but they weren't Michigan or Alabama or whoever.
That was the night where it felt like the temperature
got turned up because you'll lose three straight to your rival.
It's like, okay, that's bad. But this Missouri team, great school,
great season, you know, moderate historical success, and they just
(15:33):
couldn't do anything. And that was when they went heavy
in the portal. Obviously, all reports are they went heavy
in nil. They were to their credit able to retain
a couple guys that had legitimate NBA or NFL draft opportunities.
Excuse me, but I think people forget that it was
really that Missouri game, a dominant win for Missouri.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'll tell you what, as an Ohio State fan, I
don't think it has anything. I don't think that can anything.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I disagree, totally disagree.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Devin Brown got hurt and so now you have a
quarterback three points. Yeah, I know that's because I'm just
telling you, Aaron, I'm just telling you, like is in
the I'm not disagreeing that Ryan Day's hot seat isn't hot,
But I don't think a Cotton Bowl that they were
really interested in playing is the reason why it was.
(16:23):
It was twenty five years ago when John Cooper was
there not winning bowl games, but like you have to
beat Michigan this year, oh yeah. But what I find
what I find interesting, and I'm not gonna make this
because we're talking about the SEC. What I find interesting
about it, though, is Missouri has taken a lot of
juice from that Cotton Bowl, oh yeah, to carry over
for their own season, which is a good thing, which
(16:46):
has nothing to do with Ohio State. But that's all
been a positive for Missouri. I don't think. I don't
think the Cotton Bowl of any residual effect for what
Ohio State has, but I think it has a lot
to do with Missouri, which could help them in this
SEC season.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, I'll agree on the Missouri point. I'll be quick
on Ohio State. I think if they win that game
twenty four to three and Harball leaves and it's like, Okay,
we're gonna run this conference again. But I don't know
I was on air. That was the temperature in that moment.
As we know with any fan base in any sport,
when you have a loss coming off of a loss
(17:20):
to your biggest rival, maybe it was just a heat
of the moment thing. I think it had a little
bit more to do with it than whatever. It doesn't
really matter, but I do think it speaks to the
broader point of what you just said. Missouri really rode
that momentum. O misreally rode that momentum. And the one
thing I will add Dan about just this new era
of college football. I don't know if I've said it
with you. I know I've said it with j mart
(17:41):
Jason Martin on my Saturday show. The thing that I
think college football fans are gonna have to get used to.
Schedules have always mattered, but now it does feel almost
like the NFL. And I keep saying this, but you know,
you know, part of every year we get a team
in the NFL that goes from worse to first, and
(18:01):
part of it is is that, well, they're playing a
worst play schedule. So if they're incrementally better and they're
playing a lot of bad teams, by definition, they could
in theory make a big jump. And I only bring
that up because you look at Missouri and Ole Miss
and part of it is the enthusiasm around those two
specific teams, But part of it is, by these new
SEC standards, pretty manageable schedule. Neither place Texas you know,
(18:27):
Old miss does have to play Georgia, but they get
them at home and we don't have to go through schedules.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But but that is part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And I bige and I would and I would just say,
from a broader perspective, I think that's another thing that
fans are gonna have to wrap their arms around. And
one of the coaches said it today at SEC media days,
and I can't remember who it might have even been,
Greg Sank, but basically, like you know this, like like it.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I know divisions weren't perfect either, but you kind.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Of knew who was the best team in the conference
by the end of the year because they they you know,
even if they the Big Ten East was tougher, you
still had to go through either Ohio State or Michigan
to win it. And I just think there's gonna be
weird years where we might not get the two best
teams in the SEC in the championship game because of
the fact the way that the schedules are imbalanced. I
(19:14):
think it favors both of those teams that we're talking
about Old miss and Missouri this year because the schedules
line up a little bit more in their favor.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it is. It is funny when you look at
you know, you take Georgia for example, and you're like, Okay,
you have Texas, Alabama and Ole Miss on your schedule. Yeah,
But then when we talk about Texas, Alabama and Ole Miss,
we say, you guys, got Georgia on your schedule. You know,
so that there's this there's this back and forth of
it that you know well and that you do have
and if you're Missouri in that scenario, you know, yeah,
(19:44):
it's a little better to not have Georgia, say, on
your schedule.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Well, And I think that's like and like George is
kind of an interesting like example of that, right is
that Georgia could be the best team, but all of
a sudden, you used to have Vanny in South Carolina
on your schedule. I know, South Carolina's historic rival, and
I think as they redo the schedules, they may be
kind of an annual thing, but those are probably the
two worst teams in that old SECS.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They're not on the schedule.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Now all of a sudden, you got Adam will miss
you got at Techas or yeah, at Texas and at Alabama.
And it's like, I don't think Georgia's losing all three
of those games and somehow missing the SEC championship game.
But again, compare it with what Missouri's got, and all
of a sudden, you're like, you could see the scenario
where Missouri's eleven and one. You know, Georgia's whatever nine
(20:29):
and three, or Alabama's may be really good, but they're
nine and three because of the schedule. It's just I
just think, again, without nerding out too hard on team
by team schedules, that's just gonna play a much bigger
role going forward than I think a lot of people think.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And I think this is the right way to put
a Bow on it because Manzi's been talking about it
in our updates. This league wants to find out how
things are going to play out in a twelve team playoff,
and when they see how they respond, then they'll make
the decision on expanding from eight to nine conference games
if it's beneficial or not. In the scenario that you
(21:07):
just laid out aaron of where you have these teams,
it may not be as important. And I still have
a question on what's going to happen to actual conference
championship games in the future of college football, depending on,
you know, on the changes that we could have. But
if you are Greg Sank and you haven't made that
decision yet, and you see in the scenario that you
(21:28):
laid out, if a Georgia team does have three losses,
how does that affect him? Well, that trickle down effect
is then all right, do you or don't you add
that ninth game that you would maybe need or not need.
So I think that I think all of that is
tied together with how this plays out because of the
number of teams and the you know, the way that
the schedules are so uneven. So it's still it's a
(21:51):
work in progress, but one that could have you know,
huge ramifications for this year because nobody knows really what
to expect.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, and it just speaks to again, I think it's
the nflification, if you will. It's a bad word, not
a bad word, but a bad way to explain it.
But again, where you know Chargers, if they take off
with Justin Herbert this year, you know, in theory they
could with with Jim Harba excuse me, and Justin Herbert
in theory could be you know, a team that just
(22:19):
gets into the field, but that that hypothetical team that
you don't want to play as the second or third
team out of that division. And I think you can
see that with the Georgia, right is that they don't
have the best record or the loser of the SEC
championship game now gets into the field as the seven, eight, nine,
ten seed, whatever it is, and all of a sudden
you're looking up and there in the semi finals because
just the way the schedule broke didn't allow them to
(22:41):
win the league. Of course, get that first round by
which will be included going forward.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Just an interesting new world of college football that we're entering.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
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Big Twelve does have their eyes on Florida State and
(24:44):
Clemson as possible additions to their league if they can
exit out of the ACC. So you hear this report,
the first thing that pops into my mind, crazy or
is it genius on the part of these schools maybe
leaving or wanting to go to the Big twelve. But
the Big twelve it would obviously be huge. But I
(25:06):
did have my you know, like thoughts and second guesses
of why Florida State and Clemson would maybe want to
jump ship to go to the Big twelve and not
the Big ten of the SEC.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, I mean, first of all, yeah, the guy who
put out the initial report on Sunday night is guy
named Jason Sheer covers Arizona, good friend of mine, and
a guy that was all over sadly the PAC twelve
breakup a year ago. And where it kind of gets interesting,
Dan is kind of the duel the secondary report from
Brett McMurphy from the Action Network, who did put out
(25:37):
a post I believe it was yesterday basically saying I'll
just read it verbatim from his social media feed. Big
ten and SEC has quote no interest to add Florida
State if it leaves the ACC and the ACC stays intact.
So that's kind of an interesting thing where I guess
if the ACC just totally implodes, maybe they would be interested.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I'll just say this, Dan, this is kind of a
thirty thousand foot thing, and then you could take it
wherever you want. I don't, you know, I certainly have
thoughts on the Big Twelve element of this. I don't
know if it's possible, but can we just get to
whatever point the end of this is, like, like, I
don't need the well Florida State and Clemson leave for
(26:20):
the Big Twelve? What like, who does the ACC backfill?
It's like, I don't care. Just get all these conferences
on board, get all the TV networks on board, give
me the whatever it is, forty eight or fifty or
thirty six or whatever it is, schools that are really
willing to compete and going to compete at the highest
level of college football. We don't need all this moving
(26:42):
and this and that. It's just it's so exhausting. I
don't think it's the benefit of everybody. I think we
all think at some point we're gonna get to basically,
for lack of a better term, a college football super league.
I just want to get there, man. That's that's kind
of my biggest takeaway out of all this.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I thought it was I thought it was crazy at first,
and then I thought it was genius on those two schools,
because if the Big Twelve is bringing in private equity,
and Florida State and Clemson could get more money and
then maybe dominate a league like they could. I mean,
if they they came in, they would be you know,
(27:19):
at the top, if not the top of those standings.
It would be what they would want right now from
the ACC, right they would they would they want they
want more money. I don't I don't know if they
want to leave the ACC. I think they just want
more money. I mean to go to the SEC and
not be as good as a team because of the competition,
or get a similar amount of money or close to
(27:41):
it and be dominant. I think are pretty even. You know,
like if if that's what it all comes down to,
if you can go to the Big twelve and be
one of the top teams and get that much more money,
it's an absolute no brainer. So it's genius. But it's
funny that Brett McMurphy says that because it actually goes
along with something that I've thought privately but never have
said publicly until now, and it's I don't think Florida
(28:04):
State is as big as they think they are.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, you did say, I remember last year we did
the whole Like you know, everybody says that x X
school is good. It's college football is better when X
school is good. And it's like, is Florida State really
part of that conversation? I will say, Like, it's interesting
because part of why they want out is they basically
have the part of it is that they have done
(28:30):
studies at Florida State where they basically they and obviously
Clemson create you know, like ninety percent of all interest
in the in the ACC in terms of you know,
ratings and the you know games games with five million,
six million, four million, whatever the number is that they use.
Basically it's them and Clemson, and so I get it.
(28:52):
I guess just the thing that I'm you know, the
thing that I'm looking at is one just the do
the numbers actually make sense in terms of you know,
we hear about private equity, but remember a lot of
the private equity stuff would be to get them out
of their contract currently with the ACC unless other teams
were able to get out too. So, like the point
(29:12):
is part of the private equity stuff is to get
them out of the contract with the ACC, and then
you bring them to the Big twelve and then to
your point, Dan, the reason they want out is because
they want to be able to get equal money with
an SEC and a Big ten school, which is not
even close to what the Big twelve is doing right now.
So that's long winded, but right now the math doesn't
(29:33):
totally add up to me.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It would be very intriguing and then would likely signify
the death of the ACC. But then what that does
is it triggers maybe an exodus for other schools within
the ACC, North Carolina, you know, NC State, Virginia Tech,
those schools to go to the other leagues, and then
(29:57):
the Big ten of the SEC maybe get plump on those,
so it could be yeah, I mean, and so then
in that fact share, then the Big twelve maybe is
losing a little bit even more like they wouldn't even
be as close to.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I agree, it still doesn't really make sense to me.
And the thing that I laugh about is I heard
somebody say this is like, well, Florida State and Clemson
are looking for stability in the Big twelve. It's like
the only reason the ACC is unstable is because you
two are trying to get out, Like that's why it's unstable.
So it's interesting, and I trust the reporting from Jason Sheer,
(30:30):
who's really good at what he does, but some parts
of it just don't totally add up.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
But the Big Twelve is also looking at private equity
for their current members exactly, no, correct, like, So, so
the fact of them maybe getting more money from the
Big Twelve in the long run, aside from them getting
out of the ace A CC, would be a reason
why maybe they would also be interested because at some
point there could be more money in that league than
there is in the ACC.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
So yeah, no, it's it's it's all kind of confusing
to talk out, and maybe I'm making it extra confusing,
but the money just still doesn't add up to because Yeah,
to your point, there's whatever sixteen teams now in the
Big Twelve that are like, I don't think they want
Florida State and Clemson to come in and just start
making way more money than them. The counter to that
would be the TV value of the conference would go up.
(31:19):
I don't think it would go up that much where
they could pay off all the sequities. So there's a
lot of the maths stuff that still doesn't totally make
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, and it's you know, Florida State is a good
to great program in college football. I just don't think
they're a program that moves the needle, because I think
that there are only maybe maybe five to ten programs
that actually really do that.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And I don't think that Florida State is actually one
of them. No great success, but yeah, not one of those.
All right. He's Er Torres. I'm Dan Byer. There's his
Cavino and Rich here at Fox Sports Radio. We talked
about Nick Saban being an analyst. How long will Bill
Belichick be an analyst in the NFL because there may
be some teams that want them. Which team We'll tell
you next year. He's Aaron, I'm Dan. It's give you
know and' Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
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S caive be anyone. Rich here at Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Dan Byer. He's Aaron Torre sitting in for the guys.
It's I don't think it's too early to say this.
I think off season Hard Knocks of the New York
Giants is now my favorite Hard Knocks version. Yeah, I
don't like I don't like the end season. I love
the Training Camp one, but off season, each episode has
(32:38):
gotten better.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Feels like there's a lot coming out of it, and
not just because oh it's it's June or July and
there's nothing else going on, like people are And I
think what's interesting about it is there's a real hindsight
to it where you watch hard knocks, you know, in
training Camp, and it's like a day behind what's happening
in real life, where obviously, you know, you see the
(33:00):
quotes about Saquon Barkley about like, oh Mike, you know
obviously what came out, you know, over the last day
or so, and it's like, well, now it's unfolded, and
now you can go back and be like, wow, that's
a real thing. And that's how they felt in that moment,
as opposed to something just happened yesterday and now you're
getting Brian Dables' response to it or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It was really good last night, and the Saquon stuff
is making a lot of news even though it happened
months ago, because it aired last night. But there's another
branch of this is if the Giants have a bad season,
you wonder what's gonna happen with Brian Dable, and right now,
according to bet Online, Bill Belichick is a ten to
(33:41):
one shot to be the next head coach of the
New York Giants. That is not the shortest odds though,
of any team in the NFL. You have Papa Bears
Raiders at eight to one, the Bears we talked about
eber Flus earlier at six to one, the Eagles are
at five to one, and the Dallas Cowboys right now
(34:01):
sit at even money one to one odds to be
to have Bill Belichick be their coach week one of
the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, very quick, because I know we don't have
much time. Do you buy it? Because Jerry just moves
so slow on everything. But also like if Mike McCarthy
doesn't do it this year, you cannot bring him back.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I just it makes too much sense. But I just
feel like it makes so much sense that it's not
gonna happen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I think that the Parcels landing makes people think that
if Jerry could get Parcels, he can get Belichick and
there should be enough pieces. But I that Giants at
ten to one. I actually think Belichick, and have thought
this for years, would love to coach the Giants again,
and I think that that would be a spot. Whether
he'd be in for the long haul, who knows, but
(34:50):
that would be the thing that I would watch.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
No, I think the Giants make a lot of sense
because of his history with that team. I just I
think the Cowboys sounds. It's great on paper, but it's
a lot less likely than people kind of make it up.
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