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Dan Beyer and Kerry Rhodes, in for Covino & Rich, react to Tiger Woods' rough first round at The Open Championship and the news of Russell Westbrook being traded to the Nuggets, and the guys examine the legacies of the two athletes. Should the Cowboys consider trading Dak Prescott? Plus, ESPN stole our idea!

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Speaker 3 (00:22):
All right, it's a Thursday. We're here.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
We're all here.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Someone is in a really really good mood because his
TV show is back.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
He's Kai Guys on the Cobra Kai.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Did they release just one episode or all of them? There?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
They released five for the first wave and then they'll
release five more for the season finale and show finale.
So I'm pumped solid episode one and I'm just so
I'm feeling really nostalgic on this on this episode of
The Cobin orm Wich Show.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well, I'll tell you what the the great Karate Kid movies. Yeah,
saw Danielson rise to the occasion. That was not the
case her Tiger Woods today a completely different story. But
it allows me to talk golf, So I'm happy about that.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Nickopis here. Ryan Berschinger, Iowa Sam back from his vacation
Iowa misses you already, Sam, I don't miss the bug bites.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I'm gonna tell you I got you alive.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I had a bermuda. I was in Wisconsin the week
before and a kid got sick halfway through. But there
was a time where we were outside. I had a
bermuda triangle of mosquito bites around my right ankle, inside
of my right ankle on the right side. Yes, it's
like a constant yeah. Yeah, it's the worst. Yeah, right
around that ankle and just it's so itchy.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's the worst.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I got one on my neck.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
They went from lower lower extremities to vampire and I
don't ever remember a time of getting one on my neck.
And then my wife goes, is that a pimple? And
I'm like, no, it's a mosquito bite, And it was, Yeah,
it was enormous. We have to I'm glad I brought
my garlic to make sure you're not a changing A
little later, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
There's a lot of remedies that you can use to
get rid of the mosquitoes, but the way that some
of them have been biting in the Midwest because it's
been wet and soggy. There, Yeah, some big ones to
deal with Iowa. Sam was able to navigate that and
we are glad that he is with us. There is
speaking of being back. Tiger Woods is not back. Russell
Westbrook is not going to be back with the Clippers.

(02:29):
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(02:49):
Carry tiger Woods allows me to talk about golf. Rory
McElroy sometimes can be a topic of conversation and then
a live PGA Tour conversation, But honestly, on the grand
scale of things, I'm not coming in today talking about
Shane Lowry shooting sixty six to lead the first round

(03:12):
of the Open Championship. Not many people care about that,
But I do think a lot of people care about
tiger Woods. And with the news today that Russell Westbrook
is being traded again, in a signing trade deal and
ultimately will end up in a Denver Nuggets uniform, according
to the reports. It has me thinking about legacies, and
I want to start with Tiger because Tiger's I guess

(03:32):
legacy was put into focus in comments made by Colin
Montgomery earlier this week where Colin Montgomery said I watched
Tiger at the US Open, and I'm paraphrasing because Montgomery
said that his comments were taken out of context, but
they were harsh and and he's been a pretty good
analyst when he's not playing golf. Montgomery has and does

(03:53):
speak his mind, sometimes maybe a little bit too much.
But the basic point Carrie was, Tiger didn't look like
he enjoyed hitting one shot at the US Open last month.
So if you're not out there enjoying golf, why are
you playing golf? Because you're not going to enjoy playing
in the wind and rain at Royal Troon at the
Open Championship and tiger Woods today. An early birdie, but

(04:13):
that was pretty much the only bright spot on a
scorecard that finished with a seventy nine plus eight, tied
in one hundred and thirty eighth place. They're only about
fifteen sixteen players that have fared worse than Tiger on
this round today. So when you start talking about legacies,
I feel like I'm a golf fan and I'm too

(04:34):
close to it and try to look at different things.
But I feel that you're someone who's maybe more on
the outskirts and Burschinger and Iowa Sam and Nick Cope
as well. What do you want to see from Tiger Woods.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
I want Tiger to not subject himself to this criticism
right now. This is the problem when your superstars are
starting to are starting to decline, They're starting to not
be able to string together the performances that they're used
to putting out there. This is when it's hard to watch.
And as a fan of excellence, I'm not a super

(05:09):
fan of golf, but a fan of excellence and seeing
what that looks like when it starts to dwindle down
and you and you're a shell of that as that
superstar person player that you were before, I would like
for them to retire early, then retire late. And so
I don't know the the comments, the comments that were
being said by Colin, but just as an outside fan

(05:31):
and the fan of excellence, I want to see those
guys be able to rest on that not what we're
seeing now.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
We talk a lot about, you know, the late great
Willie Mays who recently just passed away, but his name,
it was always used of later on in his career,
what he was playing with the New York Mets of
Willie Mays and the outfield just wasn't the same Willie
Mays that you remembered with the Giants. You know, Joe Namath,
not in a Jets uniform but in a Rams uniform

(05:57):
is one that that we bring up of like it
just like those times, and you talk about like faces
in weird uniforms. Jerry Rice was a name that was
always weird in other uniforms. But Jerry Rice was still
performing a great career with the Raiders and even caught
touchdown passes when he spent the little time that he
did with the with the Seattle Seahawks. But you don't
want to see your legends and your goats going and

(06:20):
playing in a scenario or playing in an area where
they just don't feel like they belong. And I think
that the comments of people saying of what you're saying
is you're protecting your memories you're protecting like in a
way like it feels like it's protecting Tiger's legacy. I
would say this in looking at what how we need

(06:41):
to view Tiger Woods for the rest of his career,
I feel that he does want to play with his son, Charlie,
at least at some point, whether Charlie gets to that level.
I think that Tiger at some day would like to
tee it up in the same golf tournament as his son,
just like Lebron wants to play with Broddy, and not
the exact same scenario, but at least the same desire

(07:03):
to do so. I also think that there was a
rule that people may not have known that passed just
recently where the PGA Tours basically said the Tiger here's
a lifetime achievement award. You are exempt in any of
our signature events for the rest of your career for
what you have done. You don't need to qualify, you
don't need to be in the top seventy to play

(07:25):
in these events. You have an automatic spot if you
want to. That's really going to help Tiger because Tiger's
then going to be able to play in events that
will allow him to tune up, say for a major.
This is his fifth tournament this year. Three of the
four that he played in were other majors, Masters, PGA Championship,
in the US Open. You do not have your game

(07:46):
at that point. So that's just the point that I
want to make for anybody who is just not wanting
to see Tiger thinks that he should hang it up,
give him a little bit more leeway, allow him to
play a full schedule. I think a lot of his
time has been dealt with the PGA Tour and live stuff.
But also have your expectations, and this is kind of
where I think Russell Westbrook comes into the picture as well.

(08:08):
What Tiger could do for us as golf fans is
give us a weekend at some point between now in
the next five years where we are again on the
edge of our couch like we were on the Masters
four years ago and watching him play and winning that
green jacket. He's not going to win three more majors,
but there may be there just may be a possibility

(08:28):
where he is in contention in one of the weekends
at a major, which will again give us that feeling
of youth, of exuberance. That's where your expectation has to
be you don't have to be mad at Tiger because
he shoots eight over power. You don't have to say
he retires. You just have to lower your expectations and
know that at some point there's gonna be a weekend

(08:50):
where guess what, Tiger's back for a little bit, and
it's going to give us that flash in the pan.
And that's what I think that we need to expect
from him. I don't think we can expect that from
Russell Willy anymore, not that they're on the same level
of greatness, but in the move today of the Clippers
doing a sign in trade with the Utah Jazz and
then Westbrook eventually will be released by the Jazz and

(09:11):
go to the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, you talk about legacy, Carrie.
I thought that there was still something worth with Russell
Westbrook's legacy and where he's been. But now this is
to me the bad TV show or the TV show
that was great, like Growing Pains was early, and then
you add so many different characters, or like The Office
was when Steve Carrell left. You're adding all these new

(09:31):
faces and putting players in different roles and it's just
not the same. That's what I feel, not with Russell
Westbrook in his NBA career.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, Russell is an oddity as well at this point.
Obviously in his career now down to stretch, he's had
stops where he did not look like Russell Westbrook and
he did not help those teams. He wasn't the missing
piece to get those teams over the hump. And so
you know, even starting back with ok see, you know
the teams they had early on with those guys, they
should at least won one. And I think that would

(09:59):
have changed even the end of this tour for him,
Like if you already had that ring early and he's
bouncing around now, like it would be almost Carmelo is sure, right,
because I mean Carmelo is I think if you put
those two together, Carmelo and Russell Westbrook, who would you
say who's had the better career? Would you who would
you think had the better career those I would say Westbrook.
You'd say Westbrook because he got the the the triple vs.

(10:24):
The MVPs. Yeah see, I would say I would say Carmelo.
And I believe Russell Westbrook accolades in the stuff that
he's done that was different for that little two year
stretch in Okay See where he's doing all the all
the triple doubles and getting all the MVPs and stuff.
I think Carmelo in that situation or on a team

(10:45):
like that, could have done the same thing. I don't
think the type of play or the things that Russell
russe that Russell did during that triple double stretch was
it was, you know, his fight, his determination as a player.
But I don't think that's skill. I think that's will,
and so that's a difference. So like better player, I
would say Carmelo in my mind. And so when I
think of Russell, I think that stretch that he had

(11:05):
with Okay See was so brilliant that I'm going to
remember him for that, not the end of this the
stretch of his career, but I want to remember him
for that greatness of doing that, because he did something
that a lot of players couldn't do, and that was
play hard. And that's what I appreciate the most about him.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Not to make this a Russell Westbrook versus Carmelo discussion,
but just to clarify, because I want I want to
make a point. Ye are you saying that you feel
that Carmelo's career was better, or that Carmelo was just
a better player than Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I think Carmelo's a better player.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Okay, so Westbrook, But career wise, if you were to
take what they did in their career, would you still
say Carmelo is better than what? Because I think that
there's a lot more than just Carmelo will get me
a bucket, I know, absolutely, But I also think that
there's a part of Carmelo's career, a big part of
his career, where you're like, can we get more out

(11:59):
of this?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Can we squeeze more out of this? And I don't.
I don't know if you could do that with Russell Westbrook.
I almost feel like everything was squeezed out almost too
much for him. So like I look at it and say,
like I could see the argument for better, better player
thing like I'll take Carmelo in a one on one
situation or score however, but better career, I would still

(12:22):
say I would. I would lean towards Russell Westbrook's career
finals appearance the MVP.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
What went on? I mean, Westbrook was on better teams too,
so like get so getting those those end results were
I mean kind of whatever. You know, there was a
big contribution there. And we forget about Carmelo early on
in Denver where he's put up these numbers. He should
have been Rica of the Year. He also took that
Denver Nuggets team to the Western Conference Finals in a

(12:49):
tough West which was crazy. E mean, he had oh no, OK,
but I mean he was the apple. He was the guy.
So I think people forget about that early part of
his career. They do.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
But also with with Westbrook, Harden wasn't Harden, yeah, like
you know, and Durant obviously like they were on their
way up. But just the point of like we look
at the three some of Harden, Westbrook, and Durant and
I don't think they were the players in twenty twenty twelve.
Excuse me that they were in say twenty seventeen, five

(13:20):
years later when Durant ends up leaves and goes to
the Warriors. But the point of Westbrook staying and I'm
curious what you got how you guys view Russ Westbrook
Because I was even talking with Big Mike, who does
not run this place when I'm hosting the show. He
does not run this place. He's not even close to it.
In fact, Iowa Sam runs this place more than Big Mike.

(13:42):
When I am hosting this show, when I talked about
Westbrook's legacy, He's like, what legacy? You didn't even think
that there was one for him? And I think of
that when Durant left okc on what a gut punch
that was for that city and that organization that Russ
was there. Russ stayed there and became almost became the

(14:06):
de facto hero. Sure, and then you had the MVP,
and even just getting to us, say a seventh seed
in the West was good enough, because guess what, he's
the one that didn't leave. He stuck around and led them.
And there may have been some you know, finagling of
numbers and on free throws, nobody would get the rebounds,
so he would get the rebound. Going back and looking
back at that, maybe some of those numbers were maybe

(14:29):
fudged a little bit because of those scenarios, But you
can't take away what he meant to Oklahoma City during
that time. And so now like that's what still sticks
with me for him. So now when I see him
on the Denver Nuggets, after being on the Clippers, after
being on the Lakers, after being on the Wizards, after
being on the Rockets. That gets pushed further and further back.

(14:49):
We're in big Mic again. Who does not run this
place at all? The Oklahoma City tenure doesn't even now
register on his radar because it's been so long ago.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yeah, yeah, no, I doesn't, does it.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Do you look at him as the guy who saved
OKAC for those two seasons?

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Absolutely, yeah, I think I think that's a big part
of it. But now it's just now you're going to
Denver again, and we're gonna probably have the same thing
that happened with the Clippers, you know, so.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
I know, no, I agree with I agree with that.
I think the Denver, the Denver stuff, and just having
the Clippers and the Lakers and all these like random
teams kind of be added to your tenure at the end.
It's it gets sad, It gets in that same territory
of what you say, like for me as a tiger
saying a tiger struggle down to stretch here, it's we
want to remember the greatness. We want to remember the
good things and the beautiful things that you did for

(15:37):
the game of golf with tiger, with Russell for okay
see and and those things are starting to become distant memories.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Tiger's going to continue to play, and I think Tiger's
going to give us some Tiger's gonna give us, I
think more high moments than Russell Westbrook will in his
career from this point, from right here, from where were on,
you will get more. And maybe it's because Tiger is beloved.
I think with every stop that Westbrook's gone, it's been now.

(16:04):
Clippers fans may have a bad tape, although maybe maybe
they shouldn't, you know, the Rockets fans maybe the same
case Lakers fans. And I didn't love his tenure there.
There's just it's it's it's I don't know if it's
the law of diminishing returns. I don't know if that
is apropos here, but there just seems to be a
little bit less and less. And now you're in another

(16:24):
uniform and the basketball reference page is going to just
have jersey after jersey after jersey after jersey, and the
more you have of those, the more you get away
from what this guy meant to Oklahoma City and what
he meant to the thunder and for people that wanted
Tiger to retire. I know, these guys are getting millions
upon millions to continue to play in the NBA. But

(16:46):
I mean, man, I you know, if Russell Westbrook would
have stuck around in Oklahoma City and just say retired
after twenty twenty, that's that's his legacy that we're looking
back at and saying like that, he is mister Oakland,
home of City. It didn't matter that they didn't go
to an NBA finals since twenty twelve. It didn't matter
that they didn't reach the Western Conference finals after KD left.

(17:09):
It was that Westbrook stayed around and provided that and
I think that has now changed.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah, that's and that's it just kind of lends It's
that part. The Russell Westbrook Park kind of lends the
conversation back to again, like when you're in a place
and you have a chance and you're actually orchestrating greatness
to start trying to hang on to that and cling
on to that and go, you know, other places and

(17:38):
get shipped to places that you shouldn't be at in
the first place. I mean, the Lakers, number one, they
bring him in. He's a spot up shoot in the corner.
You can't shoot sure, so like he's destined to fail there.
But if he stayed in his place and okay, see
like you said and walked you know, walked out with that,
that would have been a beautiful story.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Okay, I agree with the two questions to before we
wrap this up. Number one, what do you remember most
about Carmelo Anthony's basketball career?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
What is the what is the high point?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Since you brought him up in this discussion, Uh huh,
what is the high what is the the high watermark?

Speaker 4 (18:12):
What he is going to be most remembered for in
his career. He'll be most remembered for his Olympic years. Really,
you think the Olympic years. Yes, he was really dynamic
in the Olympic years and he really showed how good
he was as a player doing those teams. To see
him be one of the ones that would be so
confident and you had you had Mellow Wade, Lebron, Kobe,

(18:36):
all these guards, Chris Paul there, whatever, and you didn't
look at him as being low on the total pole
in those games. I mean, we know Lebron and Kobe
were the yeah quote unquote alphabs, but he was right
there in the mix as well. And that for me
is what I remember the most about Carmela. I go
to Syracuse. I think it's I think his high point
was two thousand and three. I And as crazy as

(18:59):
that is for how much he was a fixture in
the NBA and then in playing for the Knicks, yeah,
I still don't think it got it ever got as
high as it did with Syracuse. It was really good.
That was big, it was it really was anybody.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Nick Cope, sports historian, what do you think is Carmelo's
high point in his career?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I tend to agree with you, Dan, because I just
was thinking about his pro career and I feel bad
saying a little bit, but I kind of just associate
Carmelo with not caring about winning that.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Much in the NBA when he got to That's just
a vibe. I god, sorry, Yeah, no, he wanted to
get his Yeah, he always looked out of shape. Really,
you're joking right, like, and there's a there's a and
I doesn't look that out of same to me because
he doesn't. Now no, oh wait, like there were times

(19:56):
where where it was where in New York he was,
he was not the slender Carmelo that he was later
on in his career, and when you have that, have
that look that.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Tends I think a good comp here is Paul Pierce.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Right little just body wise, Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, I'm not wrong though in saying that, Carmelo, I'm not.
Just It's not that he was fat, That's not what
it was. It was just he was a body shape
that you thought like, Okay, this could probably use a
little bit more time, either in the weight room or
with the diet. I just and when you look at
him later in his career, he slimmed down and you're
like saying, oh, you can do that, so now you will,

(20:39):
but you didn't do it in those other years.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
I mean think about also Dan again, we talk about
the era he played in. It was a much physical
brand of basketball, so slimming down for him may not
have been ideal. You are no West, I'm telling you,
I'm going to use that excuse at all. It's a
much more physical It's not though, it's not though, but no, really,

(21:04):
that's I mean when you look at it. And then
obviously as you get older, you do become aware that
you have to take care of your body in a
different way to be effective. And so I could see
the weight the weight loss that realize you were such
a mellow stand I am. I am surprised. I did not.
I did not see that coming. Yeah, mellow Mellow's okay.
Mello is a friend of mine. But I'm not saying

(21:25):
I'm not saying any of this for that reason. But
I got to see him a lot, and I was
in New York as well, so I thought, did I
say anything that was out out of turn? No?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I didn't think so. I think it's all pretty fair
game down for sure. For sure, Uh, we'll have to
wait for a Tiger Woods reappearance, likely in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I'll probably be the last time we see him against
for a while, and you'll see him maybe in December
at his tournament that he puts on. But I would
expect him to play more events next year and then
fare better in some of these majors. I'm telling you,
just believe he's gonna He's going to be exempt in
most of these. He could play the Open Championship, as
he said, at least sixty. The Masters isn't gonna kick

(22:07):
him out. USGA just gave him an exemption to the
US Open. They probably won't do that year after year
after year. But there still will be a PG eight
championship that he'll he'll be playing in. The fact is
there's going to be a weekend and not saying he's
gonna win it. I'm not saying he's gonna win it,
but there's going to be a weekend at some point
again in Tiger's career where he will be in contention

(22:28):
and it will get us all excited again. That should
be our expectation. We shouldn't be mad that he shot
eight over power. You should shoot eight over power when
we've only played four events the season and you're going
overseas in playing in an open championship. That was expected.
If he shot even power, that would be unexpected for me.
But I think that there will be a time at
some point in his career where we will see it again.

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He's carried out.

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did it during COVID because again, there wasn't a ton
going on at that time. But it also was a
great time to take a look back at what was

(25:40):
happening the previous twenty years. Yeah, and we did it
in that form because it was at the end of
twenty twenty. Let's take a look back see what we
had athlete wise, and we did a top twenty. We
got ballots from hosts, from anchors, from producers, from others,
all at five Sports Radio. I tallied these up myself.

(26:02):
Oh wow, and I was really really impressed with the rankings.
But our rankings three years ago had this these five
athletes in the top five. Let me see if you
have any problem with these, and I'm gonna do them
in random mortar. Okay, Michael Phelps, would you have him

(26:23):
with you? Do you have a problem with him being
in our top five athletes of the last twenty plus years.
No Serena Williams, no Tom Brady, no Lebron James, no
Tiger Woods no. Okay, perfect, How about these five names.
Kobe Bryant No, I wouldn't have a problem with it. No, yeah, right,

(26:50):
Usain Bolt no, Roger Federer, no Leo MESSI be competition
with that one, okay?

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah? And Floyd Mayweather Junior. No. So Floyd Mayweather didn't
even make their top twenty. Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
For ESPN, they're five through one. By the way, the
last five they gave you were are six through ten,
So it's all it's all very close. Our five differs
in this way. They had Michael Phelps one. We had
Tom Brady one. They had Serena two. We had Serena five.
They had Leo Messi three. We had him ninth. They
had Lebron four. We had him second. They had Tom

(27:30):
Brady fifth, We had him number one.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
I'm gonna throw somebody who I would say tops the
whole list, and I know a lot of people may
not agree with that one, but he's in the top.
He would be considered in the top five. I think
in most people's books regardless, and I'm gonna say that's
Roger Federer. And I know a lot of people don't
wouldn't say that just because of not being a pure

(27:59):
tennis fan or being able to catch enough of those
matches for them to really understand his greatness. But you
talk about a guy that won twenty Grand Slam titles,
won eight woman in titles, and you watch his game,
one of the most beautiful games for any kind of
pro athlete in the history, and how he changed and

(28:20):
how he changed tennis, and and so dominant, dominant for
so long. And we talked about lamp here too. For
tennis players, they don't usually last that long. So to
have the greatness that he did and achieve over his career,
I would put him at number one.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
No, that's that's it's a it's a strong point. I
would say that us having him at eight in our
list three years ago was I feel a sufficient ranking
at that time and own seven spots lower than what
you think. But I would also say this, he was
sixth in the ESPN's list. I don't know if you

(28:54):
can't say Novak Djokovic is better than he than Federer is,
and they have Djokovic eleventh and our defense we did
ours three years ago. Patrick Mahomes is nowhere near this
top twenty. Patrick Mahomes didn't have what he had at
that time, by the way, Leo Messi didn't have a
World Cup when we ended up doing these rankings and
now a Copa America Championship. But he still was able

(29:14):
to make it, you know, into our top ten. He
moved up to number three for those But you know,
in I think the tennis gets overlooked. Yeah, sure, Serena
was second in ESPN's for for how dominant she was.
But the thing that I would say that would actually
strengthen your point, I don't I don't know how many

(29:35):
women's tennis players were matching Serena time and time again,
or some that came, some that went, some that came,
some that went. And where Federer had to deal with
Nadal for a decent part of his career, yes, and
then obviously had to deal with Djokovic for a decent
amount of his career.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
You had, and then the people he overtook at that time, Agasy.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
And yeah and Rods Yeah there, you know, Andy Murray,
you know, again, like it was tougher to navigate the
men's tennis game at that time, uh than I really
think in any other era. So and that that's what's
actually going to be so difficult with tennis now. Not
to make this a tennis conversation, but why I think
Alcarez could could really be great is we need to

(30:20):
see those two or other three players come up and
challenge took it like it was Federer for a while
and then ny Doalandjokovic ended up coming up and so
now you're going back and forth with those.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
But it's good.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
It's difficult to replace three guys, I think, just like
we're seeing in the NFL, where yeah, you're you had
to replace Tom Brady, but you also had to replace
Drew Brees. You also had to replace Peyton Manning. You
also had to replace Ben Roethlisberger. You also had to
replace Philip Rivers. Like there's a lot, there's a lot
with that. I think we're still trying to do that
and Patrick Mahomes can only do so much. Yes, yeah,
it's and and maybe that's why we look at Josh

(30:54):
Allen and some of the other quarterbacks of the way
that we do. But like you're you're not just having
one guy replaced, you're replacing a bunch of them. Yes,
they had Simone Biles seventh in this ranking. We had
her fourteenth. Yeah, And I know Nick Cope is with
Doug Gottlieb previously, and Doug was not happy with Simone

(31:16):
Biles being ahead of Tiger Woods. We got a tweet
from someone that said, if Tiger isn't number one, this
ranking is ridiculous. Alex said, asenine was the way that
it was the term that he used. But all I'm
saying is this, it was our rankings that we did
three years ago, and ESPN's like, oh, let's just let's
do them again.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
And stole it. And for you, I mean, I know
it had to like really hurt and really sting, because
you're the one that actually tallied this thing up and
put a lot of effort and time into this and
then and then they threw it out there three years
along Summer four Go Away, we got something Mark Shutter

(31:57):
Athlete of the twenty first century, like did you did you?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
People have to go through Rob Parker's list and just
shake your head at every suggestion that he made with
his ranking. I want to know his the top eight
all major League baseball players.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
I'm kidding him. It was Sandy Kofat, He's not even
in two thousands, and it was I that that's Rob.
Rob was going to throw out some some unique player
that we would not have known and it would have
been a baseball legend.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Oh, by the way, baseball wise, they don't have anybody
in this uh in this top twenty. Yep, they had
zero baseball players in their Top twenty.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You got to go down to Albert Poolhole set twenty four.
That was their top baseball player.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Wow, we had Barry Bonds at nineteen and Mariano Rivera
at seventeen. Yeah, that's that was That was our baseball
reprie representative. And you know the thing about Bonds is
it's just a matter of you know, how he got
how he got to those and if those numbers are standing,

(33:06):
you know, I mean, he received enough votes to crack
our top twenty.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, how he got there? I don't think, Well it
matters in history history, I guess because he's not in
the Hall of Fame yet. But even before the amplified stuff,
he was still one of the best players in the world,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, Yeah, we got We got another tweet from someone
because I retweeted our tweet that we sent out when
we had the full Top twenty released. Yeah, and someone
mentioned about our Sidney Crosby ranking. Shaner tweeted in the
fact that Crosby is twentieth on this list when he
plays the hardest sport is mind boggling. Wow, Here's I

(33:49):
would just say that they ESPN doesn't even have a
hockey player in the top twenty if I'm correct, If
am I correct?

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Nick Cope, Yeah, yeah, are correct?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yes, Ryan Bershinger y yeah, yeah, Lewis Hamilton has made it, yep.
But there's no hockey player.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Crosby's at twenty two.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, we had him at twenty.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
So again our rankings are better, and our rankings, by
the way, again three years ago. So again there were
accomplishments that weren't yet accomplished by certain athletes to make
them in their top twenty. But I feel like our
assessment of athletes was very, very strong.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
We're really good here, We're strong here. You guys were
even strong before me. And I'm so happy to know
that we did Carrie come in.

Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
I was Kerrie fifty fourth on our list. I wasn't there.
I wasn't there. But I'm going to root for the
home team, is what I'm going to do.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Right now, I will say one other thing and to
Nick's point about tennis, and I'll just say this quickly.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
You brought up Federer.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, our list of arguments of who is what I
think are legitimate arguments when you have Djokovic eleven and
Rafael Nadel twelve. Sorry, it's not that close, like Nadahal
for as great as he was, made his career on yes,
and when you're like, it's not, it's not a split
by a hair with those two. Djokovic is better. Djokovic

(35:07):
is to the point of even being better than Federer.
That's why their list is a joke in our is real? Nick,
would you agree with that?

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I think I think Djokovic has become the best winner
in men's tennis. You look at all the Grand Slam numbers,
He's at the top of all of them. Now just
since you guys did your rankings, he won seven more
Grand Slams since you guys did that, and now he's
got twenty four.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
And he's won seven. Then yeah. Wow.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Also there's Federer's career was no longer there, you know,
it was over, you know, and they'd all injured, and
but al said COVID situation. But the point that they
think that Jo Djokovic and a doll are that close
just tells me that it's an invalid and the Federer
and the Joker, the Jokids thing.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I think he is right up there. He's brilliant, But
Federer and who he had to go through, it's just
not it's it's unmatched with the ones that with Jokins.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I think you can make an argument for it, even
even though he doesn't have the most Grand Slams. For sure,
he's Carrie Roads. I'm dan Byer. Dabosweeney made an argument
that's pretty ridiculous. We'll talk about that next year if
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Speaker 3 (36:20):
On a day where the final golf major of the
year is underway, an NBA star was traded, and we
found out when next year's baseball season will start. We
are talking about the news that happened within the last
two hours. Iowa Sam thinking that the now late Bob
Newhart was on Mary Tyler Moore.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
We'll want to correct this was on.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
The Doug Gottlieb Show earlier today. People are wondering why
we haven't mentioned it. Irwin M. Fletcher tweets in why
we haven't mentioned Sam's error? We will get get to that.
I'm so shatter of moments. Well, we are in for
the guys today. Bursus here, Nick copis here. Let's get rolling,
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tire buying should be. Were you thinking of someone else
or were you thinking that Bob Newhart, who unfortunately passed
away today at the age of ninety four, that he
appeared on a different show. Where was your line of

(37:33):
thinking in making that error earlier? Today's going to soften
this stance for You're going to soften this stance for you.
I think from watching you know reruns on Nick at Night.
I had watched the original The Bob Newhart Show, which
I think was on in the seventies and maybe the eighties,
and then Mary Tyler Moore, which was on during the
seventies and I don't know that, maybe the early eighties.
And I think that I maybe confused ed Asner's role

(37:56):
on The Mary Tyler Moore Show with Bob Newhart, but
those two are on at the same time, and for
some reason, my brain, not having seen those shows for
a while, thought that Bob Newhart was on the Mary
Tyler Moore Show.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, I think that's just an honest mistake. It is.
It is. I think it's the time. The timeframes do
run together a little bit there, so I could see that.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Sorry. Ed Asner and Bob Newhart were both in the
movie Elf, which I've only seen pieces of.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
So this is, iowa Sam's way of trying to not
just accept the mistake, but then trying to rebound it
by telling you a tidbit that you may not have known.
So instead of just accepting it and accepting and making
the error, he's trying to he's trying to reel himself
back in the even.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I fact checked myself and I found out I was wrong,
So I just I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Still think you're on tilt though by giving us this
Bob Newhart a tidbit that no one.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Asked for, I could just dig.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
No one, and I'm not talking about us five, I'm
talking about everybody else that's listening. There was no one
who wondered when Bob Newhart and Ed Asner actually did
team up, and they won't be using that tonight.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
And good trivia for uh yeah, for the day that
he or we found out that they passed.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Yeah, we did not. We did not ask for that though,
did we, Dan, No, we're not part of it. We
were just said, like, did you want to own up
to the to the gaff? This chapter's closely feel good
about it.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Earlier this week, and I feel bad because Aaron Torres
isn't here to defend himself, but he handled it well.
Made the mistake, especially with Mancy sitting at the news desk.
Monzy loves Friends, She's a huge Friends fan, saying that
Seinfeld and Friends had a crossover, which was not the case,
and it was Friends and Mad About You that had
the crossover. That makes sense with Phoebe's sister twin sister Ursula,

(39:45):
who was in Mad About You and Paul Reiser and
Helen Hunt did end up appearing in an episode of
Friends with that same sort of joke going on, and
he was not aware of that. Yes, well there you
know that. And then Big Mike came in to say, like,
or Phoebe, it was Ursula, so it was her sister.
So it was that's how our week is. That's how

(40:07):
it's been. That's that's been our week. Couldn't be back.
That's three oh five, So I know Mike is gone.
He did not hear any of that. He is out
the building, hit the rock.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I saw a silhouette walk by as you said that,
so I'm not sure yet.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I started the show today in talking golf because and
the only way that I can talk golf here on
Fox Sports Radio is to either talk about the PGA
Tour and live or to talk about Tiger Woods. And
I just need sixty seconds because there's something that I
didn't get to earlier today, but I want to know
your opinion on it because Twitter was up in arms

(40:43):
and over and hearing about this. Tiger was playing today
and the sky scored the Sports broadcast an analyst mentioned
that Tiger appeared to look like he was on painkillers
and looked somewhat drowsy or not into it. Now, this
may go along with Colin Montgomery saying that Tiger doesn't

(41:04):
look like he's enthused or not, and all of Twitter
was outraged over the comments. I think it is a
reckless comment to make. I would also say, on the
other hand, that I wouldn't doubt if he's on painkillers
for the amount of what he's had to do to
be able to get through a four you know, hour,
four plus hour round of golf when it's fifty degrees

(41:26):
and in the wind. I mean, like, I just I
know that the appearance of Tiger may not have been
the best, But I don't know who looks great when
it's fifty degrees blowing wind and rain and overcast on
the shores you know of of Scotland. But it's the
fact of if someone actually set it out loud without
the actual knowledge of it, that everybody up in arms.

(41:47):
But you do have the audio, Nick, you do have this, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I got some audio.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Yeah, let's let's hear.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
This oneas ground.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
And you look at the eyes you're gonna say that
he kill is being taken to COVID.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
The pain, you know, not easy.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
So you hear the comment completely reckless, but it also
did sound empathetic towards Tiger, right to the point that
I'm making like, yeah, I don't think you announced that,
but I wouldn't doubt if that's the case in just
trying to compete, like he's trying to compete.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Oh yeah, he's probably. I don't even think there's a
probable in that. I'm sure he is on something to
kind of alleviate the pain. I mean, I was in
the league where I saw that happen on a daily
basis to get ready to play one game, so a
grueling attorney where he hasn't had a lot of playing time.

(42:41):
He probably is on something to alleviate that. There's Tiger
plus eight thirteen shots back of the lead. Hell by
Shane Lowry. You heard Nick Cope mentioned it. Tomorrow likely
to be Tiger's final round at the Open unless he
can get something going because he's not likely to play
the weekend. Dak Prescott likely to play out this season

(43:02):
for the Dallas Cowboys, and then who knows what's happening
after that, And you're gonna get a lot more of
Dak discussions, especially as training camps get underway and what
Dallas is doing. And there's a group of do you
like Dak? Do you believe in Dak? And then there's
the group of I don't believe in Dak, Dak needs
to be gone. I'm in the former. I actually believe

(43:23):
in Dak. I don't think it's Dak's fault that the
Cowboys couldn't tackle Aaron Jones in the Green Bay Packers
or stop them by any means in their game wild
card game in the NFL playoffs last year, in that
wildcard round. That is not Dak Prescott's fault. I think
Dak Prescott is a fully capable quarterback. The question of
can you go to San Francisco and win a game

(43:43):
when you need it? Can you go to Philadelphia in
the playoffs and win a game when you need it?
Can you do that in Detroit if you're gonna go there?
Those are the questions that Dak has yet to answer.
And really, to win a playoff game maybe that you
shouldn't have won. He has yet to answer those questions.
But I am I am on team Dak in the
sense of I believe in him as a quarterback. I

(44:04):
believe that the Cowboys should have locked him up as
a quarterback. I am not giving up on Dak Prescott
by any means. Where are you when it comes to
the Cowboys signal caller? I'm okay with them not locking
him up. And it's almost a proved year in theory,
I'm okay with that. I also think Dak is Dak
is Dak. Dak has been really good, and you know,

(44:26):
he's had some moments where he hasn't shined in the playoffs,
but you can say that for a lot of other
quarterbacks as well. If you're not winning it, then at
the end of the day, you're not you're losing at
some point in the playoffs. So yes, Dallas as a
team has failed overall and failed miserably, but I wouldn't
just put that on Dak, And so for me, I
would say, yeah, I think Dak's really good and I

(44:46):
think he's actually exceeded what I thought he'd be in
this league anyway. You know, he came in as a
fourth round pick. You know, obviously he had some success early,
played well, put up numbers, hasn't won the big games,
but Again, like I said, you can say that for
just about any other quarterback outside of Patrick Mahomes. So
I think Dallas did keep him. But in a play

(45:07):
it situation, I'm okay with that as well. Dak was
really good. Yeah last year, Yeah, really good. There were
two games that you could consider stinkers. A loss to
Buffalo that they had in mid December. There's another contest
against the forty nine ers that we saw in national
TV when they just couldn't do anything. He was in

(45:28):
the MVP conversation throughout the year.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
He was really I sometimes get distracted and get veered
because of fantasy football. Yeah, he was money in fantasy football,
and so I know that he was putting up numbers.
So that's not a question. So now when you hear
this phrase, carry because we're gonna hear some audio from
a former Cowboys Super Bowl champion who believes Dak Prescott
should be traded. That's what's going to get the headlines.

(45:52):
But the real conversation comes from a point of not
about Dak Prescott the player, about Jerry Jones running the Cowboys.
And so if you're on the side of Dak Prescott
like I am, you likely share this opinion that was
given by Charles Haley and how Jerry Jones is actually
the reason why this problem exists because they didn't take

(46:14):
care of the people that they needed to when they
needed to, and now they have to pay everyone. This
is what Charles Haley had to say about what he
thinks the Cowboys future should be.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
He kept backloading everything, so now he screwed. So now
he you know, you know if Bill came do and
he doesn't have the money to be able to do that,
and so what he's gonna have to do is he's
gonna have to find another way around the side of
the cap or push all other older guys salary cap

(46:45):
way back. And then you don't know whether these guy's
gonna play one year or two years, and then all
of it come do again. So he played, he gambled
a long time, and now the time is up. So
I can tell you this trade that just put him
up for the trade. Guess what every team in the
league be after him? Yeah, every team in the league.
Dak is a winner. Dak is a great person, a

(47:08):
great leader. I know, I go up there all the time.
CD Lamb, quiet guy leader. He wants the ball here
Jerry Wright, just give it to me I want. And
so how do you how do you not keep those
guys together?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Charles Haley speaking of the truth on upping Adams with
k Adams, and I mean, I agree his point about
every other team in the NFL outside of maybe Kansas
City and Cincinnati and Buffalo and a few others would
be in Tell you what, the teams that are sitting
there in the bottom half of their quarterback positions in
the NFL would want Dak Prescott as their starting quarterback.

(47:46):
There would absolutely be a market. I wholeheartedly agree with
Charles Haley. This is not a dark problem in Dallas.
It was a Jerry Jones problem.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think a lot of
times you try to operate from a system of something
that's outdated, and it seems like, you know, Jerry Jones
has been outdated for a while in here and as
being the majority guy making those decisions, and uh, yeah,
it's probably time him to move on. You know.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
The crazy thing about Jerry Jones and the decisions that
he's made at times with contracts was Jerry Jones has
wanted to win a Super Bowl so bad. With the
Dallas Cowboys and has even talked about and I'm not
trying to be morbid here, but he's like, I want
to win a super Bowl before I died. Like that's
you know, that's that's the goal. And so that you

(48:30):
felt that there was some emergency and this is before
the we're all in season talk. That was this year
that now doesn't seem to have come to fruition, right.
I felt like he gave Zeke the contract because he
felt that that season when he did, it was the
season that they could win it or they were in
that window, and so paying him at that time made
sense to Jerry because of how important Ezekiel Elliott was

(48:52):
to that team. And so at that point he was
making a unique decision and paying the running back before
where he paid anybody else. Well, they also gave Dak
his contract after he broke his leg, right, you know,
so like these so like these scenarios, like you thought
it would be worst case scenario for Dak Prescott to

(49:13):
play that season and then we see him break his
leg on national TV and then we find out, oh,
guess what, it doesn't matter if you're a quarterback in
the NFL. If you show that you're capable, someone's gonna
want to pay you money, and Dallas ended up then
having to pay Dak Prescott now coming off of a
broken leg. But this isn't this, This isn't a just
a this year's sort of thing. With Jerry. They've he's

(49:34):
always done it his own way. And while we give
them credit for certain drafts that they've had and draft
picks that they have made, and maybe the Mike McCarthy
hiring and Heck McCarthy taking over the offense last year,
Dallas did seem to go to a different level with Dak.
The running game wasn't there, because the offensive line was
maybe wasn't there, But they did seem to be much
more potent on offense than they were a year ago.

(49:56):
But all of Jerry's decisions that he's made previously have
put the cowboy in the decision in the spot that
they're now. And these decisions, by the way, have been
going going on for years that they've been making bad
timing decisions in Dallas. This is nothing new.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Yeah, no, it's nothing new. The Holden pattern has been
just that we've we've been impressed with certain moves that
he's made in the draft, bringing in certain guys. Obviously,
you know Dak Zeke, those guys coming in CD, all
those guys. I mean, the draft has been good to him.
But at the end of the day, you know, when
you have negligen you know, when you're negligent towards you know,

(50:29):
taking care of guys and wing you take care of guys,
it's always gonna be a problem in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Do you know how many full time quarterbacks had a
better passer rating than Dak Prescott last year? Do you
know how many full time quarterbacks who start a majority
of their games for the teams? One that is correct? Yes, yes,
And it was Rock Party. And I had said on
this program a few days ago that if I had

(50:53):
to choose between Dak Prescott and Brock Purty, I would
choose Dak Prescott ten out of ten times for the
quarterback that he is. I know, Perdy's got moxie. Yeah,
I know he's got that that little stuff. But still
I just think Dak is a better quarterback. So all
of these, all of these conversations about like do you
pay Dak or like it's to me, it's pretty disrespectful

(51:14):
to Dak for what he's accomplished. In the season that
he's he's come off of, like QB raining wise, you know,
there was only one quarterback better, and I would actually
have to say that Dak probably accomplished, you know more,
or needed to do more on that team because of
what was around him as opposed to all of the
luxuries that brock Perty has in San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, and the proof is in the pudding as well.
I Mean, the careers don't stack up obviously. I mean,
even if you do, you do the eye test, you're
going to take Dak and then career wise, you're going
to take Dak right now, I mean, brock party is still
early and we still are kind of I'm still a
little resigned on what he is at this moment. So Rock, Yeah,
I'm Perty for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
And the forty nine ers are, you know, finding out
too as well, Like they're I don't think they're gonna
trade Brandon Ayuka. I don't think that that's I don't
think that's in the cards. I mean, this is the
year that the Niners need to win it, like like
truly of Nick Cope, am I getting this is I'm
just saying this because he's a resident Niners fan. Literally
wearing a forty nine er shirt. I believe as we speak,

(52:12):
this is the year. Like if it doesn't happen this year,
that window is closed. The storm windows are up. No,
not that it's completely over, but this is this is
the year, right.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yes, I mean it seems like Trent Williams, who's the
backbone of the offensive line, you know, he he could
be retiring at a moment's notice. I mean, knock on
wood McCaffrey was and it has been very healthy for them,
but you think about his health.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, they're in win now mode.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Brandon Trading Brandon Ayuk for picks does nothing to help
him for this season.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, right, and that's why this season is super important
because then you're two gonna have to pay rock party.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
I think San Francisco has been win mo for the
last couple of years, and so this is very dire. Yeah,
this is I mean, this is gonna make a breakdown
for you know, just even from top to bottom. Shannah
as well, like he's going to be, you know, hild
accountable at this point. It's it's been some some disappointments
and some good teams and you know, but they don't
get it done. This year, it's going to be some

(53:10):
some change there.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
You know, how I knew that the microscope on Shanahan
was was zeroing in was the discussion at the super
Bowl about on what you want to do with the football,
because it was a discussion that I had on overtime
again overtime that I had never considered. And in fact,

(53:32):
I was on with Aaron Torres and Jason Martin and
their post game showing from the Super Bowl when I
was at the game, and they were talking about the
fervor that was going on online of people of saying
that the forty nine ers made the wrong decision and
doing so knowing that the Chiefs are going to get
a possession to be able to match and then have

(53:53):
the opportunity to the top. But that's also how you know
that Kyle Shanahan is being second guest when that hops
to the forefront, because then you're thinking back to twenty
eight to three with the falcons of Patriots when he's
the offensive coordinator throwing the passes that they did late
in that game. You think of super Bowl fifty four
when they had their opportunity when they're up double digits

(54:15):
with what like seven minutes to go in the game
and end up losing it. That's when you know that
Kyle Shanahan, to your point, is under that microscope when
all of these things just readily and immediately pop up.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Does Dan Quinn get another coaching job if he wears
twenty eight to three more than Kyle Shanahan does.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Oh, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
It's amazing how everyone calls that Kyle Shanahan's Super Bowl
loss right and not Dan Quinn's not not to rehash
a Super Bowl from six years ago, but it always
tickles me.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Yeah, you're right, though you don't hear a lot about Dan.
And I've known Dan for a long time. He's the
coach with me and with the Jets, so I saw
his his a football acumen. He has a lot of it.
And so for him to have that happen at that
time and not get to blame, I agree with Nick
on that, actually.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, and it should come down to the to the
head coach. But I would say that it took Quinn
a while. Quinn was thought to be a possibility in Seattle.
It was thought that Denver wanted him at one point
or could have been an option, and then those options
ended up going elsewhere, whether Sean Payton ends up taking
over and then Mike McDonald in Seattle, and honestly, like,

(55:23):
I don't think that the commanders were pumped that they
got dan Quinn. Maybe a different feeling now, but like
the commander fan base at the time kind of felt yeah, like,
oh great, we have dan Quinn. I don't know if
I don't know if that is wearing any of the
twenty eight to three. I also think that there was
an inner I don't think offense and defense saw eye
to eye with that Falcons team. You don't think so, no, no,

(55:45):
that there was just that there was a divide there,
and I don't I don't think it was. I don't
think it was you know, Bears, you know, or Buddy
Ryan punching Kevin Gilbride with the Oilers back.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
In the day. That was fun, Okay, I can't lie.
I don't think that. I don't think it was that divide.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
But you know, to the point of I'm sure the
offense is saying, well, heck, we gave you a twenty
five point lead, can't you get a stop right, you know,
and you're gonna blame us for dropping back. And I
think that's what knicks point is. But still you have
an opportunity and you just can't take a sack, and
you took a sack.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
It's crazy because their style of play. I mean, you know,
Santahan's offenses have been explosive, but there's always been balanced
to it has always been based off the stretch and
the run and the play action like that's always kind
of been part of its staple. And it seems like
like methodology wise, that would fit really well with what
Dan did. So it's it's it's it's weird to kind

(56:39):
of hear that, but maybe I know that he was
with Matt Ryan and his MVP season. Yeah, but I
also think that that like that, I don't think if
Kyle Shanahan as the quarterback whishperer, I think more of
the running game because of then of what his dad
did and then what he does and now what's going
on in San Francisco now it really helps and brock

(57:00):
perty Is is whatever. But I don't I I don't
think that I've I've never thought of that overall sense
of him being the guy who's gonna turn your quarterback around,
which is I wonder, now what's gonna happen with Sam
Donald in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
How does that year turn out? Does Sam Donald work
out and Kyle Shanahan gets the credit or you know?
Or how is that gonna end up playing out? But
I just thought it was more of the running game
than anything. Yeah, I think more running game. And with Donald,
since you threw out Donald, I'm actually expecting him to
play really well this year. I think he has the
tools and I want to see, actually want to see
him succeed dak Or Donalds.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
What do you want? I'm taking dak Or of a joke,
but he's carrying roads.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
I'm Dan byer At carried twenty five Roads, Me and
byer on Fox. Sam, I am, by the way, if
you just joined this our Sam messed up earlier by
saying that Bob Newhart, the late Bob Newhart who passed
away today, appeared on the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Samuel,
have a oologize for that. You have any more Bob
Newhart tidbits to make up for your earlier.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
So well off the air. Sam also said he was
in the episode of Martin Too. It was weird. Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know if I really trust
what's going on today from from from Iowa.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Sam, Yeah, I'm not trustworthy today. I think this case
is closed. I think we've covered this. And thank you
to the the Fletch parody account that has pointed out.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
But you apologize, apologized the to the listener.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I felt stupid, and but now I feel like I've
atoned this.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
This is where Sam and I are just one of
the same because I say wrong things on the air
and it bothers me for hours and then days, and
I just I and then and then you. Then you
end up correcting it, and all it does is to
make it worse because it brings it back to the forefront.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, it's true. Well, I just said no instead of
saying Novak Djokovi, I said the joker. So I mean,
you know, if we want to go there, I said that,
we still call him the joker. It's just I think
you know now more of the joke.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Isn't there like a now a new player in the
NBA named like Timol So serious?

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Sam? Why so serious? He's trying to be right on
something else? Dan, leave him alone. Yes, you're right, You're right.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
You're catching his name like first name rhymes with nicola
or something.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Yeah, yeah, it is top.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Topitch is the Draft.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Okay yeah, okay, top Jah, all right, got it. It's
Communo on ro It's here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
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