September 14, 2024 • 30 mins
Covino & Rich have a Saturday special for you! The guys are in Las Vegas for Canelo vs. Berlanga! They're joined by their old friend THE GREAT Jim Lampley!! Plus, 'Tale of the Tape' & how they're leaning for bets on the fight this evening!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Cavino and Rich a bonus podcast live from the
MGM Vegas weekend and of course thanks to the New
York New York Hotel and Casino.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How can us help? We got our rooms. We're going
with the fight tonight, football fighting.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
What a weekend, What a weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
We hung out with the classy James Lennon Junior yesterday June. Yeah,
we got Jim Lampley stopping by today on the Bonus Pod.
We're gonna go over the fight the tail of the tape,
and you're gonna break down the bets.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, I went over my football bets yesterday, my Solar
Power parlay where I feel really confident in my parlay.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Again.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
That parlay included the Jets, the Commanders, and the forty
nine Ers. My teaser bets, I went Texans, Eagles and
Lions Cowboys. So I love my football bets. This week
we're gonna go over maybe a couple burlonga long shot bets,
but maybe some knockout rounds for Canelo.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But look at them. Let's get this underway.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How could you possibly announce and welcome one of the
greatest announcers of all.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Time give a shot with glory and renown. Let's hey,
bag are good pal?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hello again, everybody. I'm Jim Lampley. Hey always see him.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I used to like, back to you, Jim, that's what
I back to you, Jim.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
He sounded like Harold. Harold. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I used to love when Harold Letterman used to go
back and throw it back to Jim.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Back to you, Jim.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, that was the best.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I just loved Harold period, and he was he was
an amazingly joyful and you know, friendly and constant presence.
And you know when it was really a knife in
my heart when when Harold died. So I can't come
to a fight without thinking of him, obviously, and thank
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you very much for bringing him up.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Oh yeah, oh man, Harold.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
The greatest memories, right, the greatest memories, Jim, Jim.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yesterday we had the classy Jimmy Lennon Jr.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
On Classy Guy, and uh, I just.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It just made us think about the boxing community all
of you guys are in and what great people it
seems you're associated with you.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Oh, I totally one hundred percent agree. I mean, look,
you know, I'm sure that any baseball writer is going
to tell you that their fraternity is the best. And
any you know NBA writer is going to tell you
that their fraternity is the best. But there's something about
the the humanity, the warmth, and the love factor in
boxing that to me was different from any other sports
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environment I ever lived in. And I had to be
in it to fully realize that. And of course, the
way that I most graphically express it a lot you've
probably heard it before is to talk about how you
go and look at a blood curdlingly violent fight and
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two guys appear to be beating each other other toward
and early death with spectacular mayhem. And I'm talking Berera Morales,
I'm talking Gaddy Ward, I'm talking any number of the
blood and guts fight that fights that I covered. And
what you realize after a long time covering the sport
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is that what's happening through those twelve rounds is they're
falling in love. You know, hey, they developed lasting bonds
which will never go. I was at Canna Stota a
few months ago for the induction into the International Boxing
Hall of Fame of my beloved publicist fred Steinberg and
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Sternberg and Eric Morales and Marco Antonio Berrawa were there
and the whole weekend armanah. Okay, as though they were
twin brothers. They were sitting at every event together, they
were dining together. And I'm thinking, we thought these two
guys wanted to kill each other.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You know, I'm glad you said that, because not only
when they battle in the ring, there are guys that
you genuinely feel like there is bad blood.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh yeah. And then after those.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Twelve rounds, it's.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Almost as if you're right, it's settled a respect, that's
a respect, and it just goes away.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know, they.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Know each other so well after those twelve browns, they
know what it is that hurts the other person or
bothers them. They know what it is that that person
can stare down no matter what, and and they know
that about themselves and about the opponents. So there's a
shared element that you know, Okay, we can sit outside
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the ring and watch it, but only they really feel it,
you know. And when they fall into each other's arms
at the end of the twelve browns, I always say,
that's that's genuine. That is an impulse of love and
respect which is endemic to the sport. And you know,
I don't think you see it in other forms of competition.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
There's no way, no.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I'm with you all the way, and I'm wondering you've
always been so gracious making it about the fighters.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It is about the fighters, one hundred percent of.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
What we've seen, but from the fans perspective us, it's
also about you and what you're talking about, and you're
painting that story for us. So if you don't mind
speaking on behalf of yourself for a minute, what's it
like for you to be a part of that?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You are a part of that.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, it's thrilling and you know, and there's an intimacy
in it and a closeness and you know when I
go to Canastota and Brian Morales are there and they
hug me in, they you know, welcomed me with an
expression of affection that implicitly says you're part of this too.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You know, you're one of us in a certain way.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
It's it just feels so perfectly like it fits in
my life because I probably told you guys the story before,
but my father died when I was five years old.
The very first sports event my mother ever sat me
down constructedly to watch on television was sugar A Robinson
versus bobols for the middleweight championship in nineteen fifty five,
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their second fight against each other. And I can very
vividly remember my mother walking me down a hall and
sitting me.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Down in front of a.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
TV dinner tray with little television set on it and saying, okay,
sit here and sit here to watch this event. Told
me what it was because if your father's still alive,
this is what he would be doing with you. And
of course we all hear to this day how much
boxing is passed down from fathers to sons, to fathers
to sons.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And brought families together.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, those are my best memories, especially in the nineties
Tyson Shamas, those days pay per views, getting together a
family so fun.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Jobs Dela Oya, Yes, I know something that split families
apart and then brought them back together so much fun.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And that's why we love boxing. We've had you on
a few times. It's always a pleasure. Jim Lampley here
on the Cavino and Rich show line from Vegas MGM
Radio Row.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And I don't think I've ever asked you this.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You've worked with a lot of greats a lot of
fighters as broadcasters.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
What was that like for you?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And who really stood out to you, like almost blew
you away, because here you are, you built a career
in that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They jump in and some of them made it look easy,
some not so much.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, first of all, you know, it's a list, and
they all mean something to me. Starting with the first
expert commentator with whom I ever worked, who was an executive,
not a fighter, but who knew fighters about as well
as anybody I've ever known, a guy named Alex Wallow
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at ABC. He really taught me how to see fights.
He would take me up to his apartment seven or
eight blocks above mine in Manhattan and he would sit
me down and make me watch video.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Of fights with him for three or four hours.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Look At how the body puncher holds the opponent on
the off side, away from where the referee is so
the referee can't see it. They can get in an
extra couple of shots.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You know, I need detail, nuance and stuff like that. Uh.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And you know, and he helped explain Tyson's personality to
me when we were covering Mike. Then eventually, you know,
we're going on and I'm getting to know fighters when
I'm working with them. Emmanuel Stewart eventually, and Emmanuel was
my brother from another mother, yew We we had this overwhelming,
intense love affair, and I still think about him every
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single day and I miss him. And for a long
time I thought Foreman was kind of standoffish and wasn't
necessarily a respectful advocate of my work as a fight caller.
But then, of course eventually I call his knockout of morror,
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and that call it happened. It happened is the idle
of my upcoming autobiography. So, you know, so we're linked
together in a in a very deep way. But every
one of them has meant something to me. Every one
of them has taught me something about boxing. They're all
a part of this fraternal experience.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Is it crazy to think that, you know, as time
just continues to fly, some of these people you've known thirty,
forty fifty years.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And it feels like six months.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, like, yeah, someone like Mike Tyson, you know,
we're kids in the eighties Iron Mike Tyson was everything.
It was Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson, and Mike Tyson, the
Mike's I walked them to.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Him and met him the first time when he was
nineteen and now was fifty eight years old about to
fight Jakebois exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, that's how long I've been doing this. That's that's unbelievable,
is it? Is it weird?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's a different mic.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Back then, he was very fired up, excited Mike back
then subdued.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Talking with the evolution of Mike Tyson from nineteen year old,
he was in you know movies, he's not like a
personality like somebody like a gentle Mike Tyson at times.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Now live fast, Die young, and Mike is still around,
of course, but you know he every intense experience, good
or bad in life happened to him almost immediately from
the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know, there was there was.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Not only never an athlete persona phenomenon quite like Mike.
I don't know if any public celebrity who ever had
quite the same kind of genesis that Mike had and
the challenges that he faced being arguably the biggest celebrity
in the world when he was twenty one years old.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And of course, you know what I recently saw, Jim.
I recently saw a picture of Mike Tyson Doc goodin
and Darryl Strawberry.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He went to a Mets game in eighty six.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Right, and at that time, well who was bigger than
Dwight good in and baseball? And Mike said he went
everywhere was Mike Tyson was.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And they wanted to meet him?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I know it's the reason you've seen this. I'm sure
that we have a room here or somewhere else where.
There are fifty major athletes from every sport, and Ray
Leonard is there, or Tommy Hearns is there, or Mike
is there, whatever, who's the royalty in the room among athletes?
Who are the ones that the athletes most want to meet?
(11:16):
Because it's one thing to hit a baseball and it's
another thing to be hit by a man as hard
as he can possibly hit you, and I have to go.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Through it and continue.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
So, in my experience, athletes of all sports share a
respectful awe of fighters because fighters are different, they do
something different.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Jim, you are a big major part of that whole
Tyson era, Right, all the HBO fights and everything else.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
In your mind?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Is he the greatest heavyweight? No, Who's the greatest heavyweight
of all time?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Am I wearing them on my shirt right now me.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No, Ali Ali is absolutely Now.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
You know, I didn't see Joe Louis, but I saw Ali,
and I know what I saw, and I yes, I
believe Ali is the greatest fighter. And you know, by
the way, I can't resist telling this story because you
guys brought it up. The greatest single line of boxing
commentary I have ever heard in my life was not
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uttered by a fighter or a trainer or a boxing expert.
The greatest line of boxing commentary I ever heard took
place when I was in a small room with a
kind of gilded set of celebrities in a conference room
at the ABCU office building in New York at thirteen
thirty sixth Avenue in nineteen eighty watching a closed circuit
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feed of Muhammad Ali versus Larry Holmes. And it's a
rite of passage. It's something that has to happen. It's
gut wrenching even before it begins, because we know where
we are in the lives of these two fighters, and
we know what's about to happen. And around round nine
or ten before it's finally mercifully stopped, and Holmes is
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going ahead with his business, doing what he has to
do to Ali. I feel a little poke at the
bottom of my rib cage and I look over and
it's Mick Jack and I had met Mick at Montreal
in nineteen seventy six, so I had a little bit
of a talking relationship with Mick. And Mick poked me
in the ribs and said, lamps, do you know what
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we're watching? And I said, no, Mick, what are we watching?
He said, it's the end of our youth.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And wow, overwhelming, right it is.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's the end of our youth.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
For a global celebrity of his ilk to be able
to see and feel that the way he did, not that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I mean. I worked with Larry, I worked with the Manual,
I worked at George. I worked with a lot of
great people.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Nobody ever said anything more succinctly or more all encompassingly,
more perfectly than Mick did.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Now you said, al LEI, greatest of all time, which
is a sentiment many share. Yeah, I want to compare
it to other sports for a second, because sometimes someone
will have a great season. They might not be the
greatest ever, but they have like a cy Young year
in baseball, or you know, an MVP season.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Mike Tyson in his.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Prime, though, if you were to take like we're talking,
like when he just seemed unbeatable first round, second round knockouts.
Do you think that, Mike, if you just isolate that
year or so.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Could be just tolt you for a second so that
we can put this in perspective. Yeah, Agar Berlanga had
sixteen consecutive first round knockouts at the beginning of his career.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Right. Ultimately, it probably does more.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
To diminish his public image than to help it, because
there's a suspicion that a lot of this has to
do with matchmaking. All right, Mike Tyson, you're thinking of
you know these overwhelmingly dominant, unbeatable machine went the distance
with Tony Tucker, went the distance with Mitch blood Green,
went the distance with James bone Crusher Smith. There were
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various evidences before we got to Tokyo, Okay, that he
might be vulnerable against guys who were bigger, taller, had
a jab, could move a little bit, and could bring
the right hand over the top where it would be
difficult for him to see it. So then you fights Douglas, Well,
what is Douglas? If you listen to all those other
names I quoted. Douglas was the best athlete he had
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been a college basketball player. Admittedly he had not excelled
or performed to his maximum as a fighter, but styles
make fights. Mike, Mike was, and his mom had just died.
That's one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He was.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He was obsessive because of the death of his mother,
and Mike was a face forward destroyer who was in
a lot of ways made to order for.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Those talents that Buster Douglas did have.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
So I'm sitting there and I watch what ultimately becomes
around by round progressive beat down, which ends with Mike
flat on the canvas in round ten from one of
those right hands that came over the top. So at
the end of the day, we all fall for sustained
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glamor and drama and all those things that make somebody
look as though they are unbeatable. But there's an answer
for everyone.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You answered something I've always thought.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Of in boxing, there is an answer for everyone, and
Mike saw that answer ran into the answer at that
particular moment. Okay, now here's the culmination of it. Fast
forward to June eighth, two thousand and two. Memphis, Tennessee.
Mike Tyson versus Lennox Lewis. They had known each other,
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they had sparred with each other, they had spent a
week living together and watching boxing films together when they
were fourteen years old, all right, many years before that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And now Lennox goes in and purets Mike.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And the closing shot from the fight is a great
cameraman named Gordy Sager leaning over the ropes and focusing
the camera down at Mike on the canvas, and he's
lying on his back, and there's blood coming from both nostrils,
there's blood below both eyes, there's blood coming out of
his mouth. It's a perfect tableau of a guy who
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has just taken a sustained beating. And it went into
Mike's dressing room afterward, and he looked at me and
he said, what did people expect? He said, And you know,
I knew this when I was fourteen. He's six or
eight inches taller than me, he's got a really good jab,
he has a terrific right hand, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I mean, what exactly do people expect?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
So you know, that just goes to show you the
wisdom and the acceptance and the understanding of Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Nobody in boxing is unbeatable. That's just the simple fact.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Now they say power is the last to go. I
believe you even told us that.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Powers a lest go. That's why Foreman knocked out Moore
when he was forty five years old.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
He's quoting you, He's yeah, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
This stuff is free. Okay, I don't charge for it.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Do you think Mike has a little fire left in
the belly for this Jake Paul fight?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Do you think sure?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Do you think he's getting you think he's taking seriously
as we all want him to.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, Oh yeah, I think he's sure.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It makes me and he's reading about it, and he's
caring about it, and he's he's working to try to
get himself break.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I see as much as we do, because it's it
would be heartbreaking for guys of our generations to see
Jake Paul beat Mike Tyson.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yes, and and it would be, I'll be honest to
be heart breaking for me to see Jake Paul beat
Mike Tyson. But on the other hand, it's not a
real boxing match, Okay, it is a It is a
concocted U may for the current kind of distribution system event.
It is purely the product of social media, and in
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that sense, it doesn't mean anything to me. It's not
going to affect my opinion of Mike Tyson in any way.
And oh, by the way, I owe my career to
Mike Tyson, So you know, I have nothing but the
greatest homage for him as a person. And I don't
really care what happens against Jack Paul want your thoughts
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on the fight. But I have one last question. I
never asked you this.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
We have talked about how big those HBO fights fell,
and what a great job you guys did, what a
great production it was.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
It just felt so cool, like a main event.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Jim.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, back to your Jim, you know all the characters involved.
I don't think I ever asked you, what was your
working relationship like with Larry Merchant when you guys would
do your thing, Because here you are calling the fight
right and you're so emotionally involved, and then you throw
it to him and he has this way of just
putting it, he has this way of closing out the
whole story, and he did what he did.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
What was that relationship like, well, I think at the
very beginning, to be totally honest, yeah, I think Larry
was skeptical about me.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah about you.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, So there was a bit I think that you know,
Larry as look, there's a writer versus broadcaster thing which
has been there since the beginning of place.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I could feel that because I felt like you guys
did that.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Genesis was as a great sports editor and great sports writer, and.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He spoke that way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
He was.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Twenty years older than me, right, you know, and he
had had a big reputation in the print world and
then moved into broadcasting. He had he had quite a dossier.
And I'm a kid who was plucked off of a
college campus to do this gimmick job on the sidelines
of college football and given all sorts of you know,
exposure and perceived eminence, even though I don't appear on
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the surface, Do you have earned all that in the
same way that Larry had.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So, yeah, no question, he was skeptical.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
So I had to be careful in how I approached
him to try to learn from him what I knew
I needed to learn from him. And eventually we got
there and and became very very close and bonded friends.
And you know, I still check in with him now
to make certain of how he's doing.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
But yeah, it was it was. It was work.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It was not what was the dream squad for you?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Dreams?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, the best to work.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, I mean for working conditions and being with people.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I loved you, Harold Merchant.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And it was.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It was Max Kellerman and Roy Jones and and and
before that Max Kellerman and Emmanuel Stewart. And Manuel Stewart
was my closest friend in life ever. Okay, he was
my blood brother. But with Roy there was even more
simpatico because Max and Roy and I were more in
the same generation ourselves, and we tended to see the
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fights the same way.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Uh. That was fun.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
There was a there was a union that made it
very easy. Yes, and I you know, and I still
miss Max and Roy. Who would have thought that five
years after HBO leaves boxing, when both Roy and Max
are still relatively young men in their primes, that they're
not on the air Somewhere I was just thinking, how
how could that? What is it in this business that
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places those two guys, Roy Jones and Max Kelluman on
the sideline of calling fights.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
He's wild being you would know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I'm a fan of Max, Yeah, and I like what
he does in other sports, But I always thought his
strength was boxing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Of course it was.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
You know, he did a cable boxing television show in
New York when he was sixteen or seventeen years old,
Max on boxing.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I remember watching it. He says, rap music back in
the day, Right, he.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Was a rapper.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He was a real rapper, was Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Jim, we could talk to you all day, Jim Lampley here,
but we gotta talk to you about the fight this weekend.
Do you think there's gonna be any surprises? You said
he's always got a puncher's chance, But we think Canelo wins.
Is there anything to look out for a distance? Maybe
as a craft matchup? It's a mismatch, all right.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Canelo is a genius artiste, Yeah, and Berloga is a
work in progress.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Does the work in progress ever beat the genius artiste? Uh?
Not very off?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Does mccomby and take to take the style confrontation uh
to its ultimate place?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Does the truly.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Great skilled boxer counterpuncher ever lose to the pure slugger?
Go ask Jack Dempsey if he beat Jack Geene Tunney.
Uh No, the the reality the sport is the Tunny
beats Dempsy, right, and that means that Canelo beats Berlanda.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I gotcha, and Caleb plant McCombe. Is that an obvious
one too? Or is that gonna be a battle.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Well, I don't know about mccomby to no, man, to
be totally honest with you, confident, I haven't. I have
not seen McCombe. Uh So, I do not know enough
about the style confrontation. But I had a great conversation
with Caleb yesterday, and I know that you know very
much like Canelo.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
He's a skilled counterpunccher who can whack. Uh So I
gotta lean toward Kleb.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah he battled. He battled Canelo. So hey, Jim, thanks,
we gotta he battled.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Benevidis too.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, he battles. He just battles. Jim Lampley's here before
you go, man, what do you got going on? Tell
us what you got going on?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
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Speaker 4 (25:15):
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Cavino and Rich live at the MGM Radio Row are
bonus odds Saturday. If you missed yesterday show by the
Way from Vegas, definitely catch it on the podcast. Always
a great time fight Weekend and Rich. Before you get
into your picks, can we go over to Tale of
the Tape real quick?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, give us a Tello tape. And I say, shit, shit,
shitty shit, because I really wanted to do a couple
bucks on one of these Berlanga long shots, but yeah,
I was skeptical. And then Jim Lampley really just kind
of solidified the whole.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I actually had money on you guys making Lampley cry again.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
He's the best for two of the last couple.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know why. He's just so passionate about it. Man,
I love it. I love that passion.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
But again, we gotta go over the tail of the tape.
Get you ready for the fight tonight, so you know
what you're watching. Canelo Saul Alvarez thirty four, Edgar Burlanga
twenty seven, Canelo sixty one to two and two Berlanga
twenty two and oh.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Hey of the sixty one chew and two.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, see how good I am at this? Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The cho are plant no he plant? Oh wait did who?
Canello lost to Mayweather way early in his career.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Who's the other loss?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Because evil Dmitri b Evil Evil, Bible Evil, Yeah and
the Jarneah. Okay, He's got thirty nine knockouts Canoe, Canoel, Canelo,
Alvarez is bron and Berlanga seventeen KOs. Canelo's five foot seven,
Berlanga's a bigger dude at six one. He's got a
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bigger reach with seventy three inches. Canelos seventy inches. Both
fighting orthodox and again, here's the other part of the
story that you guys need to know. Canelo out of Guadalajara, Mexico,
he's fighting for all the Vatos locals and the Mario
big important weekend here in Vegas and Berlanga.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
He fights for the Puerto Ricans.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Fat Joe's in his corner and everything, walking them out Brooklyn.
But he's a Brooklyn kid from New York. They don't
like each other. But I gotta say, advantage Canelo all
the way every day.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Even heard the great gym Lampe, it's not even worth touching. No,
the fight as far as Canelo minus two thousand, meaning
you would have to wager two thousand to one hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think it's a matter of how do you think
Canelo's gonna win?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, so I here's what I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Looking at, round seven, eight, nine, ten. I don't I'd
like to narrow down to three rounds. But Canelo, because
he's such a favorite in this even the late rounds
Camino nine to one, nine to one, eight to one,
nine to one. So even even I get it, you
could say, well nine to one's pretty good one hundred
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bucks ONNS nine hundred, but Canelo by knockout. I think
in the later rounds is my.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
My go to spot. We've done that in the past
and it's worked out. Danny g we did that one
time with you and at dinner work it didn't. But
this time I'm saying the seventh round, So so I
want to go seven eight nine or seven eight nine ten.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I think it's eight nine ten like around that area.
What about this?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Remember remember Canela wants to punish him. He's gonna take
him deep and then try to go for the.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Knockout twenty five dollars a round, Yeah, and do one hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
We'll do seven. I will do it. Yeah, that'd be great.
We're here in seven eight nine ten.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And then do you want to pick one round and
put ten bucks on one hundred to one for Berloga
to win.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
By a knockout?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I mean gone, But because again like Lampley said too,
they always have that shot, that chance.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I don't see what happened, though, Blanka's a bigger dude.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I would say ninth round for this huge upset.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Ninth round if I would ask, you would a guy
like Burlonga if you're gonna catch a champion like Canelo,
is it early on in shockum or is it later
in the fight.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I think it's somewhere in the middle man. I don't
think it's early. No way, he's going to be early,
you know against Canel. He's two fresh, she's got a chin.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I think if anything, maybe you'll catch him getting lazy
in a later round somewhere. So it's gonna be a
one sided fight, but it's gonna be a good one
because again, that rivalry is real. They don't like each other.
But the fight before the classy Jimmy Lennon Junior, who
was on the show yesterday It's Prime Time, said the
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fight of the night might be Cayleb Plant who battled canl.
He battled Canal. Cayleb Plants, no punk, He's fighting Trevor mccumby,
and Trevor mccumbey is a really confident looking dude, talking
a lot of smack.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Plants is an equal favorite dude.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I'm just telling you the tail of the tape.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Caleb is six to one mccomby six foot similar reach,
both super middleweights. Caleb Plant is twenty two and two,
McCombe is twenty eight and oh and look it seems
to be a one sided fight when we're talking Canelo,
I think this one might be real exciting, so enjoy it.
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You got this, you got to fight at the sphere
notesche Sugar, Shan, O'Malley. Great fights this week and we're
just happy to be out here in Vegas bringing it
to you.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And you know what, We'll see you back Monday live
in Los Angeles for our regular Fox Sports radio show.
Until then, having a great weekend, enjoy some fights, enjoy
some football. Until then, do you in the Promised Land? Goodbye, guys,
It's Cavino and Rich a bonus podcast live from the
MGM Vegas weekend and of course thanks to the New
York New York Hotel and Casino.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How can us help? We got our rooms. We're going
with the fight tonight, football fighting.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
What a weekend, What a weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
We hung out with the classy James Lennon Junior yesterday June. Yeah,
we got Jim Lampley stopping by today on the Bonus Pod.
We're gonna go over the fight the tail of the tape,
and you're gonna break down the bets.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, I went over my football bets yesterday, my Solar
Power parlay where I feel really confident in my parlay.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Again.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
That parlay included the Jets, the Commanders, and the forty
nine Ers. My teaser bets, I went Texans, Eagles and
Lions Cowboys. So I love my football bets. This week
we're gonna go over maybe a couple burlonga long shot bets,
but maybe some knockout rounds for Canelo.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But look at them. Let's get this underway.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How could you possibly announce and welcome one of the
greatest announcers of all.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Time give a shot with glory and renown. Let's hey,
bag are good pal?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hello again, everybody. I'm Jim Lampley. Hey always see him.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I used to like, back to you, Jim, that's what
I back to you, Jim.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
He sounded like Harold. Harold. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I used to love when Harold Letterman used to go
back and throw it back to Jim.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Back to you, Jim.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, that was the best.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I just loved Harold period, and he was he was
an amazingly joyful and you know, friendly and constant presence.
And you know when it was really a knife in
my heart when when Harold died. So I can't come
to a fight without thinking of him, obviously, and thank
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you very much for bringing him up.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Oh yeah, oh man, Harold.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
The greatest memories, right, the greatest memories, Jim, Jim.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yesterday we had the classy Jimmy Lennon Jr.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
On Classy Guy, and uh, I just.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It just made us think about the boxing community all
of you guys are in and what great people it
seems you're associated with you.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Oh, I totally one hundred percent agree. I mean, look,
you know, I'm sure that any baseball writer is going
to tell you that their fraternity is the best. And
any you know NBA writer is going to tell you
that their fraternity is the best. But there's something about
the the humanity, the warmth, and the love factor in
boxing that to me was different from any other sports
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environment I ever lived in. And I had to be
in it to fully realize that. And of course, the
way that I most graphically express it a lot you've
probably heard it before is to talk about how you
go and look at a blood curdlingly violent fight and
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two guys appear to be beating each other other toward
and early death with spectacular mayhem. And I'm talking Berera Morales,
I'm talking Gaddy Ward, I'm talking any number of the
blood and guts fight that fights that I covered. And
what you realize after a long time covering the sport
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is that what's happening through those twelve rounds is they're
falling in love. You know, hey, they developed lasting bonds
which will never go. I was at Canna Stota a
few months ago for the induction into the International Boxing
Hall of Fame of my beloved publicist fred Steinberg and
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Sternberg and Eric Morales and Marco Antonio Berrawa were there
and the whole weekend armanah. Okay, as though they were
twin brothers. They were sitting at every event together, they
were dining together. And I'm thinking, we thought these two
guys wanted to kill each other.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You know, I'm glad you said that, because not only
when they battle in the ring, there are guys that
you genuinely feel like there is bad blood.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh yeah. And then after those.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Twelve rounds, it's.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Almost as if you're right, it's settled a respect, that's
a respect, and it just goes away.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know, they.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Know each other so well after those twelve browns, they
know what it is that hurts the other person or
bothers them. They know what it is that that person
can stare down no matter what, and and they know
that about themselves and about the opponents. So there's a
shared element that you know, Okay, we can sit outside
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the ring and watch it, but only they really feel it,
you know. And when they fall into each other's arms
at the end of the twelve browns, I always say,
that's that's genuine. That is an impulse of love and
respect which is endemic to the sport. And you know,
I don't think you see it in other forms of competition.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
There's no way, no.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I'm with you all the way, and I'm wondering you've
always been so gracious making it about the fighters.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It is about the fighters, one hundred percent of.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
What we've seen, but from the fans perspective us, it's
also about you and what you're talking about, and you're
painting that story for us. So if you don't mind
speaking on behalf of yourself for a minute, what's it
like for you to be a part of that?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You are a part of that.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, it's thrilling and you know, and there's an intimacy
in it and a closeness and you know when I
go to Canastota and Brian Morales are there and they
hug me in, they you know, welcomed me with an
expression of affection that implicitly says you're part of this too.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You know, you're one of us in a certain way.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
It's it just feels so perfectly like it fits in
my life because I probably told you guys the story before,
but my father died when I was five years old.
The very first sports event my mother ever sat me
down constructedly to watch on television was sugar A Robinson
versus bobols for the middleweight championship in nineteen fifty five,
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their second fight against each other. And I can very
vividly remember my mother walking me down a hall and
sitting me.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Down in front of a.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
TV dinner tray with little television set on it and saying, okay,
sit here and sit here to watch this event. Told
me what it was because if your father's still alive,
this is what he would be doing with you. And
of course we all hear to this day how much
boxing is passed down from fathers to sons, to fathers
to sons.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And brought families together.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, those are my best memories, especially in the nineties
Tyson Shamas, those days pay per views, getting together a
family so fun.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Jobs Dela Oya, Yes, I know something that split families
apart and then brought them back together so much fun.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And that's why we love boxing. We've had you on
a few times. It's always a pleasure. Jim Lampley here
on the Cavino and Rich show line from Vegas MGM
Radio Row.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And I don't think I've ever asked you this.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You've worked with a lot of greats a lot of
fighters as broadcasters.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
What was that like for you?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And who really stood out to you, like almost blew
you away, because here you are, you built a career
in that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They jump in and some of them made it look easy,
some not so much.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, first of all, you know, it's a list, and
they all mean something to me. Starting with the first
expert commentator with whom I ever worked, who was an executive,
not a fighter, but who knew fighters about as well
as anybody I've ever known, a guy named Alex Wallow
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at ABC. He really taught me how to see fights.
He would take me up to his apartment seven or
eight blocks above mine in Manhattan and he would sit
me down and make me watch video.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Of fights with him for three or four hours.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Look At how the body puncher holds the opponent on
the off side, away from where the referee is so
the referee can't see it. They can get in an
extra couple of shots.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You know, I need detail, nuance and stuff like that. Uh.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And you know, and he helped explain Tyson's personality to
me when we were covering Mike. Then eventually, you know,
we're going on and I'm getting to know fighters when
I'm working with them. Emmanuel Stewart eventually, and Emmanuel was
my brother from another mother, yew We we had this overwhelming,
intense love affair, and I still think about him every
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single day and I miss him. And for a long
time I thought Foreman was kind of standoffish and wasn't
necessarily a respectful advocate of my work as a fight caller.
But then, of course eventually I call his knockout of morror,
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and that call it happened. It happened is the idle
of my upcoming autobiography. So, you know, so we're linked
together in a in a very deep way. But every
one of them has meant something to me. Every one
of them has taught me something about boxing. They're all
a part of this fraternal experience.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Is it crazy to think that, you know, as time
just continues to fly, some of these people you've known thirty,
forty fifty years.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And it feels like six months.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, like, yeah, someone like Mike Tyson, you know,
we're kids in the eighties Iron Mike Tyson was everything.
It was Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson, and Mike Tyson, the
Mike's I walked them to.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Him and met him the first time when he was
nineteen and now was fifty eight years old about to
fight Jakebois exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, that's how long I've been doing this. That's that's unbelievable,
is it? Is it weird?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's a different mic.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Back then, he was very fired up, excited Mike back
then subdued.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Talking with the evolution of Mike Tyson from nineteen year old,
he was in you know movies, he's not like a
personality like somebody like a gentle Mike Tyson at times.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Now live fast, Die young, and Mike is still around,
of course, but you know he every intense experience, good
or bad in life happened to him almost immediately from
the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know, there was there was.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Not only never an athlete persona phenomenon quite like Mike.
I don't know if any public celebrity who ever had
quite the same kind of genesis that Mike had and
the challenges that he faced being arguably the biggest celebrity
in the world when he was twenty one years old.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And of course, you know what I recently saw, Jim.
I recently saw a picture of Mike Tyson Doc goodin
and Darryl Strawberry.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He went to a Mets game in eighty six.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Right, and at that time, well who was bigger than
Dwight good in and baseball? And Mike said he went
everywhere was Mike Tyson was.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And they wanted to meet him?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I know it's the reason you've seen this. I'm sure
that we have a room here or somewhere else where.
There are fifty major athletes from every sport, and Ray
Leonard is there, or Tommy Hearns is there, or Mike
is there, whatever, who's the royalty in the room among athletes?
Who are the ones that the athletes most want to meet?
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Because it's one thing to hit a baseball and it's
another thing to be hit by a man as hard
as he can possibly hit you, and I have to go.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Through it and continue.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
So, in my experience, athletes of all sports share a
respectful awe of fighters because fighters are different, they do
something different.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Jim, you are a big major part of that whole
Tyson era, Right, all the HBO fights and everything else.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
In your mind?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Is he the greatest heavyweight? No, Who's the greatest heavyweight
of all time?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Am I wearing them on my shirt right now me.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
No, Ali Ali is absolutely Now.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
You know, I didn't see Joe Louis, but I saw Ali,
and I know what I saw, and I yes, I
believe Ali is the greatest fighter. And you know, by
the way, I can't resist telling this story because you
guys brought it up. The greatest single line of boxing
commentary I have ever heard in my life was not
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uttered by a fighter or a trainer or a boxing expert.
The greatest line of boxing commentary I ever heard took
place when I was in a small room with a
kind of gilded set of celebrities in a conference room
at the ABCU office building in New York at thirteen
thirty sixth Avenue in nineteen eighty watching a closed circuit
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feed of Muhammad Ali versus Larry Holmes. And it's a
rite of passage. It's something that has to happen. It's
gut wrenching even before it begins, because we know where
we are in the lives of these two fighters, and
we know what's about to happen. And around round nine
or ten before it's finally mercifully stopped, and Holmes is
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going ahead with his business, doing what he has to
do to Ali. I feel a little poke at the
bottom of my rib cage and I look over and
it's Mick Jack and I had met Mick at Montreal
in nineteen seventy six, so I had a little bit
of a talking relationship with Mick. And Mick poked me
in the ribs and said, lamps, do you know what
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we're watching? And I said, no, Mick, what are we watching?
He said, it's the end of our youth.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And wow, overwhelming, right it is.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's the end of our youth.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
For a global celebrity of his ilk to be able
to see and feel that the way he did, not that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I mean. I worked with Larry, I worked with the Manual,
I worked at George. I worked with a lot of
great people.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Nobody ever said anything more succinctly or more all encompassingly,
more perfectly than Mick did.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Now you said, al LEI, greatest of all time, which
is a sentiment many share. Yeah, I want to compare
it to other sports for a second, because sometimes someone
will have a great season. They might not be the
greatest ever, but they have like a cy Young year
in baseball, or you know, an MVP season.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Mike Tyson in his.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Prime, though, if you were to take like we're talking,
like when he just seemed unbeatable first round, second round knockouts.
Do you think that, Mike, if you just isolate that
year or so.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Could be just tolt you for a second so that
we can put this in perspective. Yeah, Agar Berlanga had
sixteen consecutive first round knockouts at the beginning of his career.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Right. Ultimately, it probably does more.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
To diminish his public image than to help it, because
there's a suspicion that a lot of this has to
do with matchmaking. All right, Mike Tyson, you're thinking of
you know these overwhelmingly dominant, unbeatable machine went the distance
with Tony Tucker, went the distance with Mitch blood Green,
went the distance with James bone Crusher Smith. There were
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various evidences before we got to Tokyo, Okay, that he
might be vulnerable against guys who were bigger, taller, had
a jab, could move a little bit, and could bring
the right hand over the top where it would be
difficult for him to see it. So then you fights Douglas, Well,
what is Douglas? If you listen to all those other
names I quoted. Douglas was the best athlete he had
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been a college basketball player. Admittedly he had not excelled
or performed to his maximum as a fighter, but styles
make fights. Mike, Mike was, and his mom had just died.
That's one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He was.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He was obsessive because of the death of his mother,
and Mike was a face forward destroyer who was in
a lot of ways made to order for.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Those talents that Buster Douglas did have.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
So I'm sitting there and I watch what ultimately becomes
around by round progressive beat down, which ends with Mike
flat on the canvas in round ten from one of
those right hands that came over the top. So at
the end of the day, we all fall for sustained
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glamor and drama and all those things that make somebody
look as though they are unbeatable. But there's an answer
for everyone.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You answered something I've always thought.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Of in boxing, there is an answer for everyone, and
Mike saw that answer ran into the answer at that
particular moment. Okay, now here's the culmination of it. Fast
forward to June eighth, two thousand and two. Memphis, Tennessee.
Mike Tyson versus Lennox Lewis. They had known each other,
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they had sparred with each other, they had spent a
week living together and watching boxing films together when they
were fourteen years old, all right, many years before that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And now Lennox goes in and purets Mike.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And the closing shot from the fight is a great
cameraman named Gordy Sager leaning over the ropes and focusing
the camera down at Mike on the canvas, and he's
lying on his back, and there's blood coming from both nostrils,
there's blood below both eyes, there's blood coming out of
his mouth. It's a perfect tableau of a guy who
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has just taken a sustained beating. And it went into
Mike's dressing room afterward, and he looked at me and
he said, what did people expect? He said, And you know,
I knew this when I was fourteen. He's six or
eight inches taller than me, he's got a really good jab,
he has a terrific right hand, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I mean, what exactly do people expect?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
So you know, that just goes to show you the
wisdom and the acceptance and the understanding of Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Nobody in boxing is unbeatable. That's just the simple fact.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Now they say power is the last to go. I
believe you even told us that.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Powers a lest go. That's why Foreman knocked out Moore
when he was forty five years old.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
He's quoting you, He's yeah, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
This stuff is free. Okay, I don't charge for it.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Do you think Mike has a little fire left in
the belly for this Jake Paul fight?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Do you think sure?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Do you think he's getting you think he's taking seriously
as we all want him to.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, Oh yeah, I think he's sure.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It makes me and he's reading about it, and he's
caring about it, and he's he's working to try to
get himself break.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I see as much as we do, because it's it
would be heartbreaking for guys of our generations to see
Jake Paul beat Mike Tyson.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yes, and and it would be, I'll be honest to
be heart breaking for me to see Jake Paul beat
Mike Tyson. But on the other hand, it's not a
real boxing match, Okay, it is a It is a
concocted U may for the current kind of distribution system event.
It is purely the product of social media, and in
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that sense, it doesn't mean anything to me. It's not
going to affect my opinion of Mike Tyson in any way.
And oh, by the way, I owe my career to
Mike Tyson, So you know, I have nothing but the
greatest homage for him as a person. And I don't
really care what happens against Jack Paul want your thoughts
(19:30):
on the fight. But I have one last question. I
never asked you this.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
We have talked about how big those HBO fights fell,
and what a great job you guys did, what a
great production it was.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
It just felt so cool, like a main event.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Jim.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, back to your Jim, you know all the characters involved.
I don't think I ever asked you, what was your
working relationship like with Larry Merchant when you guys would
do your thing, Because here you are calling the fight
right and you're so emotionally involved, and then you throw
it to him and he has this way of just
putting it, he has this way of closing out the
whole story, and he did what he did.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
What was that relationship like, well, I think at the
very beginning, to be totally honest, yeah, I think Larry
was skeptical about me.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah about you.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, So there was a bit I think that you know,
Larry as look, there's a writer versus broadcaster thing which
has been there since the beginning of place.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I could feel that because I felt like you guys
did that.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Genesis was as a great sports editor and great sports writer, and.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He spoke that way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
He was.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Twenty years older than me, right, you know, and he
had had a big reputation in the print world and
then moved into broadcasting. He had he had quite a dossier.
And I'm a kid who was plucked off of a
college campus to do this gimmick job on the sidelines
of college football and given all sorts of you know,
exposure and perceived eminence, even though I don't appear on
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the surface, Do you have earned all that in the
same way that Larry had.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So, yeah, no question, he was skeptical.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
So I had to be careful in how I approached
him to try to learn from him what I knew
I needed to learn from him. And eventually we got
there and and became very very close and bonded friends.
And you know, I still check in with him now
to make certain of how he's doing.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
But yeah, it was it was. It was work.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It was not what was the dream squad for you?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Dreams?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, the best to work.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, I mean for working conditions and being with people.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I loved you, Harold Merchant.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And it was.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It was Max Kellerman and Roy Jones and and and
before that Max Kellerman and Emmanuel Stewart. And Manuel Stewart
was my closest friend in life ever. Okay, he was
my blood brother. But with Roy there was even more
simpatico because Max and Roy and I were more in
the same generation ourselves, and we tended to see the
(22:02):
fights the same way.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Uh. That was fun.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
There was a there was a union that made it
very easy. Yes, and I you know, and I still
miss Max and Roy. Who would have thought that five
years after HBO leaves boxing, when both Roy and Max
are still relatively young men in their primes, that they're
not on the air Somewhere I was just thinking, how
how could that? What is it in this business that
(22:30):
places those two guys, Roy Jones and Max Kelluman on
the sideline of calling fights.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
He's wild being you would know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I'm a fan of Max, Yeah, and I like what
he does in other sports, But I always thought his
strength was boxing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Of course it was.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
You know, he did a cable boxing television show in
New York when he was sixteen or seventeen years old,
Max on boxing.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I remember watching it. He says, rap music back in
the day, Right, he.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Was a rapper.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He was a real rapper, was Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Jim, we could talk to you all day, Jim Lampley here,
but we gotta talk to you about the fight this weekend.
Do you think there's gonna be any surprises? You said
he's always got a puncher's chance, But we think Canelo wins.
Is there anything to look out for a distance? Maybe
as a craft matchup? It's a mismatch, all right.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Canelo is a genius artiste, Yeah, and Berloga is a
work in progress.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Does the work in progress ever beat the genius artiste? Uh?
Not very off?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Does mccomby and take to take the style confrontation uh
to its ultimate place?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Does the truly.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Great skilled boxer counterpuncher ever lose to the pure slugger?
Go ask Jack Dempsey if he beat Jack Geene Tunney.
Uh No, the the reality the sport is the Tunny
beats Dempsy, right, and that means that Canelo beats Berlanda.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I gotcha, and Caleb plant McCombe. Is that an obvious
one too? Or is that gonna be a battle.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Well, I don't know about mccomby to no, man, to
be totally honest with you, confident, I haven't. I have
not seen McCombe. Uh So, I do not know enough
about the style confrontation. But I had a great conversation
with Caleb yesterday, and I know that you know very
much like Canelo.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
He's a skilled counterpunccher who can whack. Uh So I
gotta lean toward Kleb.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah he battled. He battled Canelo. So hey, Jim, thanks,
we gotta he battled.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Benevidis too.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, he battles. He just battles. Jim Lampley's here before
you go, man, what do you got going on? Tell
us what you got going on?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
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(24:51):
Lance Pugmyer, gris Al, Jerry Dan Canobio of the compy
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Speaker 2 (24:56):
You get to share in the same comment with us, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
TXT.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It's fun EPV dot com. Jim Lampley, always a pleasure
hanging out with you. You're the best man. Love seeing you
had all these events. Yeah, stop by.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Next time too, bring me back anytime.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
It is our pleasure.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Thanks again to the great Jim Lampley for stopping bias.
Cavino and Rich live at the MGM Radio Row are
bonus odds Saturday. If you missed yesterday show by the
Way from Vegas, definitely catch it on the podcast. Always
a great time fight Weekend and Rich. Before you get
into your picks, can we go over to Tale of
the Tape real quick?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, give us a Tello tape. And I say, shit, shit,
shitty shit, because I really wanted to do a couple
bucks on one of these Berlanga long shots, but yeah,
I was skeptical. And then Jim Lampley really just kind
of solidified the whole.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I actually had money on you guys making Lampley cry again.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
He's the best for two of the last couple.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know why. He's just so passionate about it. Man,
I love it. I love that passion.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
But again, we gotta go over the tail of the tape.
Get you ready for the fight tonight, so you know
what you're watching. Canelo Saul Alvarez thirty four, Edgar Burlanga
twenty seven, Canelo sixty one to two and two Berlanga
twenty two and oh.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Hey of the sixty one chew and two.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, see how good I am at this? Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The cho are plant no he plant? Oh wait did who?
Canello lost to Mayweather way early in his career.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Who's the other loss?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Because evil Dmitri b Evil Evil, Bible Evil, Yeah and
the Jarneah. Okay, He's got thirty nine knockouts Canoe, Canoel, Canelo,
Alvarez is bron and Berlanga seventeen KOs. Canelo's five foot seven,
Berlanga's a bigger dude at six one. He's got a
(26:53):
bigger reach with seventy three inches. Canelos seventy inches. Both
fighting orthodox and again, here's the other part of the
story that you guys need to know. Canelo out of Guadalajara, Mexico,
he's fighting for all the Vatos locals and the Mario
big important weekend here in Vegas and Berlanga.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
He fights for the Puerto Ricans.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Fat Joe's in his corner and everything, walking them out Brooklyn.
But he's a Brooklyn kid from New York. They don't
like each other. But I gotta say, advantage Canelo all
the way every day.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Even heard the great gym Lampe, it's not even worth touching. No,
the fight as far as Canelo minus two thousand, meaning
you would have to wager two thousand to one hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think it's a matter of how do you think
Canelo's gonna win?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, so I here's what I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Looking at, round seven, eight, nine, ten. I don't I'd
like to narrow down to three rounds. But Canelo, because
he's such a favorite in this even the late rounds
Camino nine to one, nine to one, eight to one,
nine to one. So even even I get it, you
could say, well nine to one's pretty good one hundred
(27:56):
bucks ONNS nine hundred, but Canelo by knockout. I think
in the later rounds is my.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
My go to spot. We've done that in the past
and it's worked out. Danny g we did that one
time with you and at dinner work it didn't. But
this time I'm saying the seventh round, So so I
want to go seven eight nine or seven eight nine ten.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I think it's eight nine ten like around that area.
What about this?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Remember remember Canela wants to punish him. He's gonna take
him deep and then try to go for the.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Knockout twenty five dollars a round, Yeah, and do one hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
We'll do seven. I will do it. Yeah, that'd be great.
We're here in seven eight nine ten.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And then do you want to pick one round and
put ten bucks on one hundred to one for Berloga
to win.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
By a knockout?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I mean gone, But because again like Lampley said too,
they always have that shot, that chance.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I don't see what happened, though, Blanka's a bigger dude.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I would say ninth round for this huge upset.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Ninth round if I would ask, you would a guy
like Burlonga if you're gonna catch a champion like Canelo,
is it early on in shockum or is it later
in the fight.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I think it's somewhere in the middle man. I don't
think it's early. No way, he's going to be early,
you know against Canel. He's two fresh, she's got a chin.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I think if anything, maybe you'll catch him getting lazy
in a later round somewhere. So it's gonna be a
one sided fight, but it's gonna be a good one
because again, that rivalry is real. They don't like each other.
But the fight before the classy Jimmy Lennon Junior, who
was on the show yesterday It's Prime Time, said the
(29:23):
fight of the night might be Cayleb Plant who battled canl.
He battled Canal. Cayleb Plants, no punk, He's fighting Trevor mccumby,
and Trevor mccumbey is a really confident looking dude, talking
a lot of smack.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Plants is an equal favorite dude.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I'm just telling you the tail of the tape.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Caleb is six to one mccomby six foot similar reach,
both super middleweights. Caleb Plant is twenty two and two,
McCombe is twenty eight and oh and look it seems
to be a one sided fight when we're talking Canelo,
I think this one might be real exciting, so enjoy it.
(29:59):
You got this, you got to fight at the sphere
notesche Sugar, Shan, O'Malley. Great fights this week and we're
just happy to be out here in Vegas bringing it
to you.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And you know what, We'll see you back Monday live
in Los Angeles for our regular Fox Sports radio show.
Until then, having a great weekend, enjoy some fights, enjoy
some football. Until then, do you in the Promised Land? Goodbye, guys,
Hosts And Creators
Rich Davis
Steve Covino
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