October 8, 2024 • 47 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon recap Week 5 of fantasy football, opening with their instant thoughts and reactions to the Chiefs defeating the Saints on Monday Night Football! That leads into the rest of the weekend's matchups, as the guys recap their fantasy takeaways from all the action. Plus, Mike shares his hot waiver wire adds ahead of Week 6!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
All right, that's it for week five. Hit Mike up
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our picks throughout five and not only line and Ian's
but obviously Mike's rankings, and I'll plays cold source and whatnot.
But a lot of football like this weekend Sunday, a long,
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long day capped off by the Monday nighter in Kansas
City with the Chiefs ended up popping the Saints, and
I don't know, I felt like we went back into
a time machine because Travis Kelce was effective again. Kareem
Hunt is in the end zone for the Chiefs and
the Royals are winning playoff games. So I don't know
what is happening in some bizarro world, but that's what
happened on Monday night.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I tried to make it. You know, somewhere in the
happiness of the larger Kansas City area, a lot of
folks got barbecue, so you got the hat trick. Everybody.
Wait ho, I'm happy, fed and contented, but yeah, just
a crazy convergence Kareem Hunt. Everything old is New again.
Twenty seven carries one hundred and two yards against the Saints. Look,
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we talked about it a bonche Smith and I on
our show recapping it all encapsulated here quickly the idea
that you know, it's not the Chiefs that you loved
or hated, but they still win, so I guess you
have to hate them somewhat, but you don't have all
the you know, the fire and forty point performances in barrage.
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Patrick Mahomes is no better than a high end QB
two at this point with what they're throwing out there,
which is sad for those that drafted him as a
you know, top five fantasy quarterback. But that's just reality.
I mean, juju Simith Schuster seven for one thirty. All right,
so Mahome should have had the touchdown that ends up
becoming a pick, a thick pick, as Harlan put it
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on radio, by the guy who's the brother of a
backup dancer for Taylor Swift. Then they cliched that loop,
you know, and they highlighted that the play before the
interception happened. So folks wondering if Arion Foster's script thing
truly was coming into play. But you know, for the Saints, Kamara,
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I mean there's no run game like he's he's a
receiver at this point, six catches forty yards and for
Derek Carr leaves with the injury he was he hit
the big deep ball to Shaheed, so you got a
little bit of that, but only one hundred and sixty
five yards before leaving with injuries. So it's one of
those fantasy games. You're like, all right, the underhit, let's
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move on to Week six.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I didn't take too much from it, except that the
Kareem Hunt situation is just very unique to me. The
average archer per carry were under four, But I don't
think the Chiefs care.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
No, that doesn't matter. Yeah, like they ground out forty
minutes time of possession, twenty eight first downs, and just
let's let's get it over with.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And exactly get twenty seven carries.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I think that they're also like, let's use Kareem
Hunt as much as we can to the point that
we need to. And when I say Pacheco comes back,
then Pacheco can end up resuming his role. And you know,
in December or whenever that's it's going to be for
Kansas City. But for him to get three yards three
and a half yards almost four yards of carry is great.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
As long as you don't get one yard per carry.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, that's I hate to like to bring up Clyde
Edwards du Laier again, but you know that always seemed
to be the factor of MIC. They wouldn't get anything
running the ball. So as long as you get a
little something, he's viable. And I actually thinks he's a
play down down the line Juju Smith Schuster. Now with
the Rashi Rice injury, I mean it's uh, yes, flashback,
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you know, flash back to the eighties. It's a whole
it's a whole weird world.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
But I do find value in Kareem Hunt at least.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Oh absolutely, right, I mean, that's gonna be one of
the huge if it wasn't already picked up off waiver wires,
that you'd have to be looking. Hopefully everybody was asleep
in your league, which would also mean you were a
sleep in your league. But the fact is that you know, opportunity,
he's cheap. Run him into the ground, right. This isn't
a guy that you've sunk money into and committed great
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cap space in for years. So for the Chiefs, you
lucked into this fine. Carson Steele had ball security issues
that he wasn't very good otherwise. And Pacheco's not walking
through that door anytime soon. I mean, I wouldn't be
surprised if they weren't kicking the tires on other guys
that may be floating around and find themselves, you know,
(05:03):
looking for work. Just to make sure you've got one
more in the holster, because right now you're on the
prespass of something pretty special. Doesn't have to be flashy,
succeed and proceed the old Caliperi model.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm gonna be honest, My Fantasy week wasn't the greatest
for fantasy teams. I went up against Jamar Chase in
two leagues. So that says enough for what my weekend was.
But it wasn't enough about that because you guys don't
care about my fantasy I.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Do, I do, nobody should. Well, that's very very nice
of you.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I our business is unique in the way of where
we're watching it. We're locked in, and Mike, even if
you have a soccer tournament to deal with on I
intend to deal with to its end. On a Sunday afternoon,
you're watching these games late, You're you know, watching the
games on Monday. It's we do consume a lot of football,
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and I was footballed out by Monday night.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I had zero desire to really lock in.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
The Chiefs Saints may have been the fantasy pout on
my side. Not happy that I got blown out into games,
but it was also the fact of we started with
Jets Vikings. We rolled into the the one o'clock Eastern
time games. I almost said noon games, going back to
our Midwest days.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And then it was one o'clock eastern when it ended,
I mean literally were I was like five minutes to
one late.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The delay in the Cowboys Steelers game made it a
much longer day and I was kind of footballed out.
I was the Saints' Chiefs didn't really have that much appeal.
I'm already sick of seeing the Chiefs anyway. The Saints
weren't drawing me in. It was just kind of of
a whatever day. And I don't know if it was
the fantasy losses. I don't know if it was the
actual matchup on Monday night, or if it was the
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marathon Sunday that we got in week five. But to me,
there wasn't just that urgency. And I'm not a Saints
or Chiefs fan either, so that doesn't count, and that
urgency to take in this contest.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, I think you just take it all in, though, Dan,
I mean, go back to Thursday, like it was a marathon,
and that's a long ass game. That Atlanta Tampa overtime game,
a lot of activity, a lot of energy. Throw it in,
you know, whatever you know, and all of you consuming
different sports out there, whether it's the WNBA playoffs, fine,
you got Major League Baseball playoffs, you got preseason NBA
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and NHL and all of that mix therein plus your personal,
as you say, soccer games or whatever else. And then
you had a full slate of college football which had
some crazy ass games mix they're in, huge upsets, comebacks,
all of that. And that's a long, arduous journey from
nine am kickoff through what midnight when the final game goes,
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and then you're up six hours later to start that
Jets Minnesota game and watching the Jets be well, the
Jets run all the way through some really bad games
mixed they're in and look, they all can't be gems
out of the two seventy two. But when you go
back and you watch the Miami New England game, I mean,
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that's some really bad football being like. And we've talked
about the product as a whole, and it's hard because
I love it, and obviously we get paid to dissect it,
talk about it, promote the big stories, headlines, spark conversations.
But you can't tell me that it's the same product
you were watching seven eight years ago in terms of
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its quality one through two seventy two where we're at
right now, and that's not because a bunch of guys
are hurt. We have injuries every year. Just we watched
my numbingly bad decision making. I'm looking at you, Buffalo
in the final minutes of games, or you know, most
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coaches have been on the hook for some decisions. We're like,
let's talk about this for a minute. Shall we take
me through your I mean that's from McVeigh all the
way through Peyton, all the guys that are declared geniuses
to the guys that we had on the most likely
to be fired, They've all had their moments through five
weeks of the season where you're just like, wow, this
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is just painful to watch, but I can't look away.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, no, And that's I think a lot of teams
are now just planning because again, the extra game I
think just added a lot to the season. So now
you're trying to manage this first third of the year
to get your set self set up for the second third.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I mean because you don't you don't necessarily play.
I mean we look at the preseason all the time
and start talking about the old way the Patriots did things,
and I think that's where the Chiefs are right. You're
integrating a bunch of different players, a different style, a
different philosophy. And yes, the because of the injuries and stuff,
I think they had to ratchet Kelsey up maybe a
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little faster than they wanted to, or maybe he just
got himself fully back into into shape and is ready
for that bigger workload. But you know, throughout the NFL,
it's the same thing of like, all right, because Captain
Kirkin company didn't look so great for the first four weeks,
right sure, and then all of a sudden against Tampa
division rival, he's winging the ball all over the yard.
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At five oh nine. We joked about it last week,
he was what one hundred yards ahead of where the
Patriots were through four games. So, I mean, that's kind
of where we're at. And you're watching some of these
young quarterbacks trying to grow, trying to find their space,
others where they can't get out of their own way,
whatever the hell they've decided. Stefanski was a genius a
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year ago. Now nothing's working in Cleveland. That's been torn
asunder Cincinnati's defense, which we expected to be Okay, they've
been terrible, and now they're bereft and ravaged by injuries
and just go on down the line. It's like just
curious watching, you know, teams try to evolve into this
second quarter of the season, and it's just a mess.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It truly is, and it's so much of a mess
that now, not only do we have just two unbeaten
teams and the Chiefs and Vikings at five and zero,
we actually only have.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Three one loss teams.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
That's how much of a mess the National Football League
is is right now, is you only have three teams
with one loss. I thought maybe there would be four
or five, you know, somewhere along that way. But you
have the Commanders at four and one, you have the
Texans at four and one, and the other one is
the Lions who haven't even played their fifth game yet,
so that could change because they have a trip to
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Dallas coming up in week six.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
So there's I mean, everybody's just there, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
But that's just it, right Dan, If I say put
the three teams on the metal stand that are the
best teams in the National Football League, whether you have
want to consider a record or not. What do you
got the Ravens but their defense stinks.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, I'd put the I'll tell you what, because I've
thought about this as well. Not to answer up, but
i'd but I do believe in the Vikings and put
the I'd actually put the Lions too, and I'd put
the Chiefs three. But if the Chiefs played the Vikings.
I'd probably picked the Chiefs, and if the Chiefs played
the Lions, I'd probably pick the Chiefs. But I don't
think they're better than those two teams. So that sounds
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I made it even more of a mess with my
own metal.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Stand No, but that's just it, right. So like I
look at it and all right, we got the Ravens
get into the mix maybe, and then you've got Houston
and Washington, where I'm like, all right, there's there's elements
of both those. I don't like it now. Houston may
miss Nico Collins for a while. Washington I just don't
know like it does. It doesn't feel like like it.
(12:37):
I don't have the confidence. But I look at their
division and I say, all right, yeah, they're gonna run
rough shot over a bunch of these teams, So how
do I not include them? But to your point, Minnesota, Detroit,
Kansas City, it's hard to argue with those, right, Kansas City.
To be the man, you gotta beat the man. The
old Rick flair line that comes in. They're five and
oh going into a bye week, yep. Now they have
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two weeks to a get healthier and be trying to
figure out wrinkles to make these guys more valuable. I
mean they drew that fifty yard pass interference for Xavier Worthy.
Not a lot of contact there, but I mean he's in. Look.
I'm sure some folks will say, yeah, fat guy, but
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it's he's one hundred and eight pounds soaking wet sure,
so any contact has taken him to the turf. So
you get that call. And folks have their ideas on
officiating in the chiefs, whatever it may be. But again,
I trust their defense, I trust their philosophy, their continuity,
whatever that they're going to be there. I think we
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trust Campbell at this point. Minnesota is interesting. But as
long as Flores's defense and they don't lose any key
components there, they gotta be a pain in the ass.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, it's all three of the teams that I pick.
I like because of their physicality.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So one thing about Houston that I wonder, you know,
we don't know once Joe Mixon comes back, maybe some
of the that's regained that offense, that would be my
question mark there. And I just for his greatest Washington's
Bend and for his greatest things have gone, I'm just
not ready yet to put it all on Jayden daniels shoulders,
but we shall see.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Maybe he'll prove me wrong over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, it's certainly been a fun run. I mean, like
he and I and Caleb Williams look like two guys
that are more than capable of handling some offenses. And
when we always wring our hands about young quarterbacks, it's
good to at least after five weeks, be able to
exhale and say, all right, the kids are okay, they're
starting to move in this right direction. But yeah, I mean,
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the Commanders obviously at this point one of the great
stories of the year. Just a fun watch, especially where
the franchise has been dan just to see at least
a little bit of upheaval and a turnaround there. Whatever
you think of name conventions and their past.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Mike tries to solve the riddle that is the Buffalo Bills.
I'll take the other side. I think I know what
Sean McDermott and they were doing. It may not make sense,
but I think I know what they were trying to do. Plus,
the Colts know what they're doing with the quarterback. The
Raiders have no idea, and the Browns just have no
answer all of those topics in so much more coming
up next here, and I want your flex, so let's
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put a bow on Week five, hit Mike up again
at Swollen Dome. Find me dan Byer at dan Byer
on Fox. Ian Roddy going to be chiming in as well.
You had a problem with the Bills chucking it downfield
with their backs pinned against their own end zone, which
ultimately led to the fifty nine yard game winning field
google by fair Baron as the Texans escape with a
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twenty three to twenty victory over Buffalo. You're not loving
the Sean McDermott and Joe Barry bonds away.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's tough, right, It's one of those where you're trying
to put the weights of justice, you know, Lady Justice,
and where where where you're at and all this because
I generally like aggressiveness. However, However, when you're already down
as many starters as they are right, you're missing Shakir,
your defense has been hit with a number of injuries
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in your back seven, and you're tied, and you have
the opportunity to finish out the game that you would
be so aggressive just left me confused, right, And I
like again, I like the aggressiveness to a point, but
we know in this day and age, guys hitting fifty
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five sixty yard field goals it's not out of the
question because we've been seeing them all season long.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, so you know, the the.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Taking shots down field and trying to go deep and
put yourself in position for a field goal make of
your own I get it. You know, bass can can
come out and we've certainly seen them hit from long
distance in the past. But you're on the road. You
got an opportunity to grab a game here against the
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team you may see again in January. And look, we
all hate the overtime rules. I get it, coin flips
and whatever else, but just putting yourself in that position
just seemed unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
What I think they they did, and this is me
defending them. Houston had all three of their timeouts, and
Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Was back in the game.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Not too long after completely getting his bell rung, and
now he was cleared to go back in no idea,
But that's a.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Whole other discussion. Point Dana problems with you.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, but here's my thinking. They felt that they could
run more time off by chucking the football downfield fifty
yards than just handing it to James Cook and having
him get stuck at the line.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Of sus tickled. Yeah, I mean, because that's like a
two second play versus the ball traveling crab for five seconds. Yeah,
I could see that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And you maybe have the opportunity, maybe you get a
pass interference. I don't know, but I think that they're
thinking was the Texans are just going to call a
timeout anyway, and if we run enough time on the clock,
who cares if they have three timeouts still and there's
only sixteen seconds left, you know, on the board. So
that was my thinking, and it almost worked. I mean
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it didn't in the end. It didn't. So again almost
is nothing. But when they threw it deep, they got
it down. When they ended up punting, they were punting
with sixteen seconds left, and so by the time you
get a return to about the forty six yard line
or so, there was only seven seconds left on the clock.
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And so to that point you're like, all right, seven seconds.
You just have to make sure they don't get that
little bit of yardage that they needed, and in that
case it was nine was good enough. So I think
that's what they were thinking. And they could have just
tried to get the first down and run out the clock,
you know, in that way as well. But I don't
think that they felt that they were going to be
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able to run the ball, and so they just felt
chucking it downfield could maybe be.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Their better off.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I kinda dig that the high arching all right, we
can get six or seven seconds. Yeah, I think about
punt hang times. Maybe you get an offensive or you
get a defensive bass interference instead you got Coleman called
for OPI and it.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Would and it would have been different if the Texans
had two timeouts, because then you would have been able
to run the clock out. It wouldn't have mattered. You
would have just ran the ball. They would have called
timeout twice, and then the third time you had up
taking of it. They had all three timeouts, so you
knew that they were going to likely use them. So
that was my thinking of them trying to get just
a couple of more seconds off the clock, knowing that
they would have to punt, and then by that time
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maybe there wouldn't be enough time, or they would or
all the Texans could.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Do is just right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Maybe you got me sold Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Don't know, just it didn't work out. It almost did,
but didn't work out for him.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yes, it it's just go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
They shouldn't have been in the game anyway. Well, there's
that too, Yeah, giving.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
It things away like the key on Coleman touchdown, he
stepped out of bounds twice.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But I think that's the other part of it though, Dan,
is you have the opportunity potentially to go steal one,
So go take your best shot to steal one. Yeah. Yeah, right,
So I don't know, it's it's it's tough because you know,
clearly they still have some issues that they need to
work out in terms of depth at wide out and
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rounding that out. But as you said, I mean it's
it's a mess in across football in terms of losses
and parody that you're you're not losing that much ground anyway.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But another funky situation that people may have missed, and
when the Giants blocked the field goal of the Seahawks
and ran it back for a score put them up
twenty nine to twenty. Did you see they took a
knee on the convert Yeah, because in the point and
the reason why if anybody saw it was wondering and
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I'm not sure if they explained another broadcast, but we
talked about it on the Sunday Show.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I'd do with Kerry Rhodes.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
If you have a blocked kick, Seattle can run it
back for a score, and then it's a one score game.
If you have an interception, if you have a fumble
of any sorts, if you're running a two point conversion
in that play, Seattle can pick it up and run
it back for a score. They were preserving the two
score game by just taking a knee on the conversion.
They just blocked a field goal and ran it back
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for a touchdown. I'm sure they're like, hey, Seattle could
do the same on an extra point. We're not going
to take that risk. We'll just take our two point
lead and be good of it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Well, I mean, I think in a huddle you just say, hey, guys,
don't lay down. Sure, sorry, by.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The way, to lose my good by the way, the
sex they are completely at fault for that loss, but it's
for another day in time. They turned around with Seattle
or with San Francisco on.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Thursday Thursday short week, because that's the question, Like for
both the Seahawks and for and for the forty nine
Ers to a degree of you know, how much are
you looking ahead, you know to the Thursday game and
what you need to be able to do there, because
you know, a lot of hand ringing after the forty
nine Ers lost to the Cardinals as well. But it
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made for some interesting Fantasy Final final scores and a
bit of chaos in Week five, for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
What do you what do you think the Raiders end
up doing at quarterback for the I guess near future.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I think you don't have any choice. You go to
O'Connell like Minshew had had his run yep, and you
play it out like it's it's a mess there quite obviously.
I don't think enough's being made of the fact of
and I know he's in the pros, much like you
know Jim Harbaugh. But what Pierce at Arizona State at
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the tweet or Instagram post, I should say that we
talked to out last week on the podcast and all
of that. Devanta Adams is still a member of this
team as we as we record this on a Monday.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Night am Eastern time, Pacific tide.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
That's still hanging there and players still have to answer
questions about him and their roles and whatever else, and
they have no control over any of this garbage. Like
I've said on record many times, like I don't want any.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Part of him.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Sure right, declining guy, Clearly he's in the me phase
of things with the myriad interviews and everything else. I
know Kay Adams was supposed to have him on her
show on Tuesday that I guess is canceled. So maybe
we'll actually get some movement, or maybe someone finally told him, hey,
stop doing interviews. Yeah, let's let's figure this out.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Can I tell you?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
The one thing about that that I thought was interesting
of the cancelation of that interview sure was the news
during the Chief Saints game. Yeah, and so I'm like, Okay,
I don't think the Raiders are going to do a
deal with the Chiefs, but we know Derek Carr and
the connection with the Saints. I wondered if that was
maybe why this deal hasn't been done because the Saints
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were playing on Monday night.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And we'll see how it played out.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, or just even the and now you know who
knows that Derek with Derek Carr's situation, but maybe that
there was a deal They're like, Okay, we'll just wait
till after the game. We'll do it on the off
day when we get back and do a trade. I
wondered at that point if that was maybe a reason
why that maybe the Saints were going to end up
being the destination. The outside shot would have been Kansas City.
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But I just I don't care how bad the Raiders
want to get rid of them. I just don't think
you can trade him to Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, I don't. I think you're one hundred percent right.
The other I saw, I forget who it was, but
you know, the Twitter thread started to become Derek Carr
leaving this game playing chess, DeVante Adams coming to the
rescue soon because outside of the big play to Shakir,
I mean there there wasn't a whole lot of I'm
not to Shakir to Shaheed. There wasn't a whole lot
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of look going on for that offense, and weeks one
and two are a distant memory for the Saints at
this point in terms of the workings of this offense
and what they're able to do. You know, say nothing
and then take nothing away from the Chiefs defense, for sure,
But yeah, I mean, the timing is interesting, and it's
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all a question of do you think you can get
through where he just wants to play football for twelve weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I think you can, but I just don't know
where that would be. I don't think he's a malcontent
by any means. Devanta Adams is a great guy. But
he also went to Las Vegas, and everything that's there
that the reason that he went there is gone except
the contract that he said that said I'm going to
play for you for X amount of years.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Because that because I mean that was that was a
pretty sizable contract. I mean, as much as we can
talk about how much he wanted to go play with
his old buddy Derek Carr, I mean that that contract
probably spoke a lot more than then the Hey, I
get to reunite with my buddy. But certainly the organization
has changed quite a bit in a short amount of
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time for him, as as you look at and then
it becomes the the discussion of all right, thirty plus
year old receiver hamstring injury. And now we start and
I always hate the well, we have to speculate how
injured he is. But we've we've talked to plenty of
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pros and X pros in our field here, Dan that
admit to you know, the lower back that ain't showing
up on an X ray being an issue for load
management or some of these things where it's like, yeah, no,
it's a bit, you know, it's still still not right,
still a little tender. So how much is you know,
real versus imagined in all of this? And and you know,
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Will how quickly does he ramp back up to where
or hey, you've got them back at one hundred percent capacity.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The question is in Indianapolis is how quickly do you
turn back to Joe Flacco if things aren't working with
Anthony Richardson? Because Shane steike And on Monday gave Richardson
vote of confidence saying that when Anthony Richardson is fully
healthy that he will be the starting quarterback of the
Indianapolis Colts. But despite the loss against Jacksonville, Joe Flacco
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was great over three hundred yards passing three touchdowns, and
I just it's a head scratcher to me. I would
stick with Flacco. It's a second straight year you had
a veteran come in and your offense has been better.
I'd know that there's the investment to Anthony Richardson, but
right now, I wouldn't mess with this. Why not squeeze
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the orange that you've got with Joe Flacco and get
as much juice as you can out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, I know the Cleveland Browns wish they'd been a
little more resolute in their decision making. Hey, we don't
care if Deshaun doesn't like this, because perhaps maybe the
Browns aren't in complete free fall as they are right now.
But yeah, in Indianapolis, I find it hard to not
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just run with Joe Flacco, right, Anthony Richardson, I get
at the rookie and bringing him along. Can he learn
you know, on the bench, you know, and the temperament,
Like I know, we always have these arguments of you
may lose him. Well, if you lose him because A
he's hurt, B the other guy is better, then he's
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not your guy. Then he's not your guy. And you
know it's not on Richardson, And it's just my general
philosophy on this stuff of the professionals. Right if right
now you've got a better chance to win, and the
team rallies around Flackel and clearly spreads the ball around
and they get the best of everything. I mean, look
this week, they didn't have Jonathan Taylor and they still
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put up those points and those offensive drives and everything
that you saw. I don't know, Like, if you're trying
to win, Flacco gives you the better chance to win, period.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I think the situations are different than other guys who
are drafted Bryce Young obviously number one, CJ. Strouds and
trenched in Houston. But I think it's a little different
with Richardson, where I think you could, because of his
inexperience coming into the pro game, that you could still
treat him like Jordan Love, like you could have him
for another three years.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Again, I let him.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Joe Flacco's not going to be in your team for
three years. Let use that time to try to figure
it out. You don't have to make the answer of
Anthony Richardson right now. If you've got at least a
suitable guy to play in Joe Flacco. It's kind of
it's the Packers light, like Aaron Rodgers was an MVP,
so there was no rush to sit there and play
Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I'm just a big believer. If your guy's not ready,
you're guys not ready. Right, Yeah, I don't care if
he's drafted first all and I get it, there's a
big bonus check that gets paid and expectations of a city,
But if your team is still needing to be built around,
like Kayleb Williams came into a team that was pretty good.
Yeah right, you've got a defense that's given up twenty
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points or fewer and what ten straight games? Now ever
since the Montes sweat deal and Iberflu's doing more on
that side of the ball, and you know, I still
want to know what happened to that guy.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
But Alan Williams still still all.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
These these these weeks later, still no answers. But you've
got a good DC there now, were working with eb loose, right,
So you've got that working and you brought you made
a big investment. They should have invested more on the
offensive line. But you've got skilled position players, so him
playing it makes sense. For Jaden Daniels, you saw that
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there's personnel on the offense, not that you'd expect these
heights from him, but that he was going to be
put in a position and where for Cliff Kingsbury and company,
you could put him into positions where he'd be able
to be solid or better. Race Young didn't have that, right,
he didn't have that, Like there was nothing in that
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infrastructure to make you believe he was anything other than
being thrown to the Wolves. And we've had plenty of
other circumstances just like that to where like, you know,
look at what Drake May. I mean, we watched him
get obliterated in those few minutes he played against the Jets.
Was there any point in putting in that game unless
Jacoby Brissett couldn't answer the bell for the next possession?
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And the discussion about May becoming that guy now is
silly to me, Like there's nothing there for him to
build off of other than just saying, all right, I
checked a box and I started in an NFL game.
I don't know where there's a win to be had there.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'll just I'll just say this about the Colts because
in fantasy we look at schedules, and I even think
overall you look at schedules. So the Colts are sitting
there coming off of a tough loss to Jacksonville and
near two and three on the season. Well, you have
the Titans coming up in Week six, and then you
have the Dolphins and then you have the Texans in
a rivalry game, so you have two games that are winnable,
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so you could be four and three, and after the
Texans game, you've got the Vikings, the Bills, the Jets,
the Lions. Who gives you the better chance to win
a game out of that stretch because you're going to
have to if you want to be a playoff team,
you're gonna have to win one of those four games.
I don't think it's Anthony richards You can put the
Texans in there as well. You're going to have to
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win at least one of those five games to have
any chance at saying all right, here we are. We've
now got five wins on the season. How do we
finish this last third of the year. So is it
Anthony Richardson or is it Joe Flacco? And I think
that the answer is pretty simple. It's Joe Flack. I'd
rather have Joe Flacco as the quarterback in that stretch
of games than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Point about you know, quarterbacks starts college into pros. We
saw some things from Richardson and we have as a
pro in the games that he's been able to finish
those have been few and far between. Yep, right, he's
a special athlete with a cannon for an arm. But
in terms of being able to finish and give you
the consistency to get you to the winner circle consistently,
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it's Flacco all day long. And you saw how that
offense responded again, missing Jonathan Taylor, a guy that usually
carries the ball twenty to twenty five times, and having
to mix and match with peers and get Pittman involved
and everything else that they had to do. He was
able to do it and do it well. Yeah, you
take the l but I think you see far better
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results on a week to week basis to where you're
at least in a position to win.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
He's Mike Carmen. I'm Dan Byer. Mike's got some waiver
wire pickups. I may throw in a name as well.
We'll check in how Ian streaming defenses is defenses were
this past week. You know, my survivor stunk, so we'll
go over that, plus so much more to get to.
He's Mike Carmon. I'm Dan Bayer. This as I want
your flex Mike Scott some waiver wire pickups heading into
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week six, but we do some report card checking. He's
Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer. The executive producer is Ian Roddy.
This is I want your flex and run of applause
from Mike Carmen. Lamar Jackson was his number one quarterback
and boy did he show it against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Joe Burrow had himself quite a day as well in
that contest, but Lamar showed up and showed well.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
You also had.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Jamar Chase as one of your top five. Javonte Williams
was a Raider crusher, didn't get into the end zone,
but was active in the in the passing game and
on the ground. Trey Sermon got into the end zone
for the Colts. So Trevor Lawrence, Yeah, Trevor Lawrence as
a ninja played Mike Carmon in week.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Five and Rogers and Darnald the Stink. Yes, I to
take my victory lap. Rogers finishing what eighteenth and well
say Sam was down at number twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Now Rogers again was my oasis song.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And the Oasis song for week five was what's the
story Morning Glory? And that on the morning game of
Jets Vikings and I'll tell you what he was driving down.
All I said was Aaron Rodgers three touchdown passes. That's
that's what I was I was hoping for. I didn't
know what we would get yards yards wise, guys, But
I don't know if you noticed Aaron Rodgers through three
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touchdown passes. One of them was to Minnesota. But still, guys,
I'm taking it as the win.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It may have gone into Andrew Van Ginkell's hands, but hey,
the other two were Jets touchdowns, So I am taking
that as a win.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
On my Oasis song.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Absolutely, you take the w thereat and we get to
say Van Ginkel, which is always a win.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I hit points of Palooza Colts Jaguars was seventy one
one point of fare. Even though that the Ravens Bengals
was a little bit higher, it was still a higher spread.
So I'm gonna take the victory on that. But once
again I lost survivor. I said to take the Seahawks
and they failed me. But Ian said to take the
Seahawks as a streaming defense, and that did not fail Ian.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No, it did not.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Yeah, the Seahawks were pretty good. Them and the Packers
were my two streaming defenses of the week. That I
gave you guys, and you know, the Seahawks ended with
that Ray Shawn Jenkins touchdown, which was big. I've, you know,
obviously cheering as I saw that happening, because I'm in
this with you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Like that's like when I when I give.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
These streaming defenses, I'm using.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Them as well.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
So if if it's a bad pick, I suffer as well.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
If it's a good pick, I celebrate with you.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Well, you will come to realize on how much you
actually cheer for your advice that you give people, because
there is no worse guilt feeling than telling someone to
bench someone or start someone and they do the exact opposite.
In fact, our buddy Scott who listens to the pod
and we'll always check in. I think we let's help
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Scott get to a Fantasy Championship. Last year he asked
me about Tank Bigsby. He had three guys he was
just as Hill, Tink Bigsby, and uh Xavier Laget from
the Carolina Panthers. And I said, I like I go,
I like him in the order of Laguet, Hill and Bigsby.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
But I also said, I wonder.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
If Bigsby's in for a big week this week because
it was my points at Palooza that may not have
been the most the most strongest staunchest stand, but I
was saying, hey, I'm kind of wondering, this may be
where you want to go. And so then when Bigsby's
having those you know, the day that he had against
the Colts, I'm I'm thinking, like, gosh, I hope Scott
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played him. Gosh, you're thinking that thing. So Ian, Yeah,
welcome to the group.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah, no, it's good. But and then and then the
but and both ended up well, so you know, to
that point, I had a good week in that sense.
And the Packers. The Packers were even better. They were
the first one I named. They were an interception, a fumble, recovery,
three sacks, love to see it, eleven fantasy points.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Cuba Hubbard keeps rolling is one of Mike's hot plays.
Even though the Panthers didn't have a bears. Yeah they
got they got bears, they got beared. But but Hubbard
got into the end zone again for Carolina. So a
bright spot at least for the Panthers. All right, looking
a hat the week six, Mike, because now there are
four new teams on by that'd be the Chiefs, Rams, Dolphins,
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and Vikings who were looking at waiver wire entering this one.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Well, we get things started at the quarterback position. How
about a little Daniel Jones going up against the Cincinnati Bengals.
I know this is folks shaking their head, but he's
throwing multiple touchdown passes three of the last four weeks
in theory gets neighbors back coming off of the concussion protocol.
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So an opportunity there. The aforementioned Joe Flacco if nothing else,
he needs to be rostered, I think is what we've
seen from the last two weeks, and then we'll it
from there. A lot more leagues starting to use the
two quarterbacks or the super flexes or whatever flat goes agether.
That's gonna be pivotal to a couple of wins for
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fantasy owners coming out of those slots. Because of Richardson's
injury history, I mean, we just went through it and
chronicled it all, so the opportunities are gonna be there
as well. Derek Carr will keep an eye on his status,
but fantasy owners have not flocked to him at all.
He's rostered only in about forty percent of leagues on
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average across the big site, so potential for him to
make some hay Again. I know the reputation, but if
he's gonna keep chucking the ball down to Shaheed now
and again, hey, big things are gonna happen. So those
are the three guys that we look at at the
quarterback position, Tyrone, Tracy for the Giants. Singletary will be back,
but I think Tracy's done enough to say, hey, I
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need some of that workload share for sure. Tank Bigsby
owned in only about one fifth of leagues, so he's
gonna be one of the top free agent acquisition budget
line items for this week because Etn hurt once again,
right if you if you've had any wagers on his
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over under for total yardage, thinking, hey, this is as
you said. Dana points a bluesicon of opportunity and then
he leaves with injury, opening the door for Bigsby to
have a big workload once again. So you got a
shot there. Ty Chandler in Minnesota gets a bit of
a workload, so we we get him into the mix
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on our big board of potential plays. A guy that
I think is a speculative play long term, Blake korm
just because the run game is and I don't know
how much I like Kyron Williams, but that's the one
thing for the Rams that seems to be working so so,
especially in and around the red zone area. So if
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nothing else, the old handcuff kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And the other thing is they're gonna need to run
the ball because they can't stop the run. They're not
very good and Cooper Cups should return after their bye
week in week six, but the Coup is still out,
so yeah, the Rams still have a little ways to.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Go, still a little ways to go. They have another
option again bye weeks, so you're you're not diving to
them necessarily, but a guy to put on the radar
is Colby Parkinson. Target count has been immense the last
couple of weeks again, safety valve. Offensive line play for
the Rams not very good, which means a lot of
hot route, hot route, get the ball out and make
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a play as it were, wide receiver. Everybody's already put
in their claims for Darnell Mooney, don't need to go there.
Jalen Tolbert, Brandon Cook's probably gonna miss some extra time
for the Cowboys, so Tolbert with a large target count
the last couple of weeks, Lazard, As much as you
may not want to go anywhere near that Jets offense,
he's got targets and he actually catches that ball. Maybe
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that pick six for Van Ginkel never happens, sure about that.
There you go changing history like sliding doors. There you
go cinema history. Go back and watch that, Gwyneth Paltrow gem.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
If Mike Williams understands the back shoulder throw as well,
you know, maybe there's an opportunity there for a third
touchdown to an actual jet.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
But there's there's a lot going on there in New
York for sure.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Well, Josh downs they had twelve targets for the for
the Colts, since we were talking a lot about them.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Interesting this, Yeah, I mean are guys that are unowned
in mostly.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I am interested in a guy that
I did mention earlier, Keank Coleman's it owned in about
half of league's. Buffalo really missed Khalil Shakir past weekend,
and Josh Allen and Dalton Kincaid couldn't get on the
same page, So it was it was quite the struggle.
But on that fourth and five, they did go to
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Kean Coleman, and even though again he stepped out of
bonds like eighteen times and they said he was still in.
But still you're wondering, at some point does he end
up taking over that role, because that's the reason they
drafted him. You know, we're seeing what Xavier Worthy is
doing for the Kansas City Chiefs, and we know how
that trade went down, so maybe the Bills feel the
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need to even get it to Kian Coleman even more.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Absolutely, looking at some of the target I mean you
look at Josh Downs missed the first couple of weeks,
He's already had twenty six targets, which puts them in
the top fifteen. Oh wow in the National Football League
thus far in terms of target count. Go a little
bit deeper, you know. Two chill at Well has had
a pretty big target count. Again a RAM, so he's
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on a buy. But you know, looking at the long
long play and a lot of it comes back to
how quickly Cup and Nikua get back into the mix.
With Cup coming back, you know, we'll we'll watch as
the target sharers kind of dip. Ray Ray McCloud, he
was a guest of the show after the Atlanta Tampa
game seven five, three, seven nine. Now week to week
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you're gonna wonder who's getting fed, but certainly one to watch.
I mean, if you're getting five or more targets per game,
four out of five, you're part of the plans. So
and with Bijon Robinson owners still sad. Sorry tried to
warn you. I didn't think it would play out this way.
I thought it would still be just a workload split
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with l geer as opposed to, Hey there's Kirk just
standing tall in the pocket throwing the ball fifty times again,
but hey, you take it as it comes.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, you can't argue there's when the falcons are throwing
the pill. And I even saw an article today it's
like the one two punch of Drake London and Darnell Mooney.
Never would have thought, but you know, I liked Ray
Ray McCloud earlier in the season as well as.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
And I don't think that goes away.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So yeah, sorry, yeah, I mean that's the that's the
way it goes. It's the them's the breaks, as they say.
But yeah, it's it's funny just looking at at the
target count. I mean, you look at Darius Slayton for
the Giants four or more and in four of the
five games, including eleven in Week five. Going up against
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the Cincinnati defense this week, he might be a nice
little streaming play for you off the wire because Cincinnati's
defense they lost a couple more players to injury. Uh
and and UMO has had no answer for any defense
or any offense.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I should say, Yeah, they are zero and three at
home this season. So the to the Ravens, Patriots and
the Commanders, Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
And the loan the lone win on the road in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
And now you go in and you face a Giants
team that finds a bit of confidence, and wow, it's
kind of crazy, man. And that's that's a Sunday night game.
I know, I know folks are going I gotta watch
Daniel Jones in prime time.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
There was a report that I heard that the that
NBC wanted to flex that out and have Commanders Ravens.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
I don't know if that was. I don't know if
a rumor or report was.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But Cave, you know, and Rich brought it up, and
I thought I was surprised because I never thought that
that NBC would want to flex out of the New
York market. But anyway, Hey, we're going to get Bengals Giants,
which isn't that bad of a game.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
No, it's fantasy purpose.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yea, and the Bengals is still a lot of interest.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Absolutely, Yeah, all right, let her wrap it up for
our post week five wrap up. If I want your
flex hit Mike op Bantswollen Dome, Ian great stuff as always,
will do it against suon Man. Ian Roddy is our
executive producer. Find him at Ian Roddy Underscore and I'm
Dan Byer. Hit me up at Dan Byer on Fox.
I got to get ready for Thursday showed on already
with the Seahawks ticking on the San Francisco forty nine Ers,
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huge game. I'll still try to draw my sorrows after
that disappointing New York Giants defeat. Well, Mike gets ready
for London as his Bears go to face the Jaguars,
and Ian's Jets are coming back.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
They got a Monday that affair with the Buffalo Bills
in week six.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
For the first place for Yeah, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
We'll look ahead to all of that in the week
six next time here and I want your flesh m
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All right, that's it for week five. Hit Mike up
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And the executive producer is Ian Roddy, but him at
Ian Roddy underscore check in with how we did with
our picks throughout five and not only line and Ian's
but obviously Mike's rankings, and I'll plays cold source and whatnot.
But a lot of football like this weekend Sunday, a long,
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long day capped off by the Monday nighter in Kansas
City with the Chiefs ended up popping the Saints, and
I don't know, I felt like we went back into
a time machine because Travis Kelce was effective again. Kareem
Hunt is in the end zone for the Chiefs and
the Royals are winning playoff games. So I don't know
what is happening in some bizarro world, but that's what
happened on Monday night.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I tried to make it. You know, somewhere in the
happiness of the larger Kansas City area, a lot of
folks got barbecue, so you got the hat trick. Everybody.
Wait ho, I'm happy, fed and contented, but yeah, just
a crazy convergence Kareem Hunt. Everything old is New again.
Twenty seven carries one hundred and two yards against the Saints. Look,
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we talked about it a bonche Smith and I on
our show recapping it all encapsulated here quickly the idea
that you know, it's not the Chiefs that you loved
or hated, but they still win, so I guess you
have to hate them somewhat, but you don't have all
the you know, the fire and forty point performances in barrage.
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Patrick Mahomes is no better than a high end QB
two at this point with what they're throwing out there,
which is sad for those that drafted him as a
you know, top five fantasy quarterback. But that's just reality.
I mean, juju Simith Schuster seven for one thirty. All right,
so Mahome should have had the touchdown that ends up
becoming a pick, a thick pick, as Harlan put it
(02:23):
on radio, by the guy who's the brother of a
backup dancer for Taylor Swift. Then they cliched that loop,
you know, and they highlighted that the play before the
interception happened. So folks wondering if Arion Foster's script thing
truly was coming into play. But you know, for the Saints, Kamara,
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I mean there's no run game like he's he's a
receiver at this point, six catches forty yards and for
Derek Carr leaves with the injury he was he hit
the big deep ball to Shaheed, so you got a
little bit of that, but only one hundred and sixty
five yards before leaving with injuries. So it's one of
those fantasy games. You're like, all right, the underhit, let's
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move on to Week six.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I didn't take too much from it, except that the
Kareem Hunt situation is just very unique to me. The
average archer per carry were under four, But I don't
think the Chiefs care.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
No, that doesn't matter. Yeah, like they ground out forty
minutes time of possession, twenty eight first downs, and just
let's let's get it over with.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And exactly get twenty seven carries.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I think that they're also like, let's use Kareem
Hunt as much as we can to the point that
we need to. And when I say Pacheco comes back,
then Pacheco can end up resuming his role. And you know,
in December or whenever that's it's going to be for
Kansas City. But for him to get three yards three
and a half yards almost four yards of carry is great.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
As long as you don't get one yard per carry.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, that's I hate to like to bring up Clyde
Edwards du Laier again, but you know that always seemed
to be the factor of MIC. They wouldn't get anything
running the ball. So as long as you get a
little something, he's viable. And I actually thinks he's a
play down down the line Juju Smith Schuster. Now with
the Rashi Rice injury, I mean it's uh, yes, flashback,
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you know, flash back to the eighties. It's a whole
it's a whole weird world.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
But I do find value in Kareem Hunt at least.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Oh absolutely, right, I mean, that's gonna be one of
the huge if it wasn't already picked up off waiver wires,
that you'd have to be looking. Hopefully everybody was asleep
in your league, which would also mean you were a
sleep in your league. But the fact is that you know, opportunity,
he's cheap. Run him into the ground, right. This isn't
a guy that you've sunk money into and committed great
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cap space in for years. So for the Chiefs, you
lucked into this fine. Carson Steele had ball security issues
that he wasn't very good otherwise. And Pacheco's not walking
through that door anytime soon. I mean, I wouldn't be
surprised if they weren't kicking the tires on other guys
that may be floating around and find themselves, you know,
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looking for work. Just to make sure you've got one
more in the holster, because right now you're on the
prespass of something pretty special. Doesn't have to be flashy,
succeed and proceed the old Caliperi model.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm gonna be honest, My Fantasy week wasn't the greatest
for fantasy teams. I went up against Jamar Chase in
two leagues. So that says enough for what my weekend was.
But it wasn't enough about that because you guys don't
care about my fantasy I.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Do, I do, nobody should. Well, that's very very nice
of you.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I our business is unique in the way of where
we're watching it. We're locked in, and Mike, even if
you have a soccer tournament to deal with on I
intend to deal with to its end. On a Sunday afternoon,
you're watching these games late, You're you know, watching the
games on Monday. It's we do consume a lot of football,
(05:55):
and I was footballed out by Monday night.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I had zero desire to really lock in.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
The Chiefs Saints may have been the fantasy pout on
my side. Not happy that I got blown out into games,
but it was also the fact of we started with
Jets Vikings. We rolled into the the one o'clock Eastern
time games. I almost said noon games, going back to
our Midwest days.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And then it was one o'clock eastern when it ended,
I mean literally were I was like five minutes to
one late.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The delay in the Cowboys Steelers game made it a
much longer day and I was kind of footballed out.
I was the Saints' Chiefs didn't really have that much appeal.
I'm already sick of seeing the Chiefs anyway. The Saints
weren't drawing me in. It was just kind of of
a whatever day. And I don't know if it was
the fantasy losses. I don't know if it was the
actual matchup on Monday night, or if it was the
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marathon Sunday that we got in week five. But to me,
there wasn't just that urgency. And I'm not a Saints
or Chiefs fan either, so that doesn't count, and that
urgency to take in this contest.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, I think you just take it all in, though, Dan,
I mean, go back to Thursday, like it was a marathon,
and that's a long ass game. That Atlanta Tampa overtime game,
a lot of activity, a lot of energy. Throw it in,
you know, whatever you know, and all of you consuming
different sports out there, whether it's the WNBA playoffs, fine,
you got Major League Baseball playoffs, you got preseason NBA
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and NHL and all of that mix therein plus your personal,
as you say, soccer games or whatever else. And then
you had a full slate of college football which had
some crazy ass games mix they're in, huge upsets, comebacks,
all of that. And that's a long, arduous journey from
nine am kickoff through what midnight when the final game goes,
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and then you're up six hours later to start that
Jets Minnesota game and watching the Jets be well, the
Jets run all the way through some really bad games
mixed they're in and look, they all can't be gems
out of the two seventy two. But when you go
back and you watch the Miami New England game, I mean,
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that's some really bad football being like. And we've talked
about the product as a whole, and it's hard because
I love it, and obviously we get paid to dissect it,
talk about it, promote the big stories, headlines, spark conversations.
But you can't tell me that it's the same product
you were watching seven eight years ago in terms of
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its quality one through two seventy two where we're at
right now, and that's not because a bunch of guys
are hurt. We have injuries every year. Just we watched
my numbingly bad decision making. I'm looking at you, Buffalo
in the final minutes of games, or you know, most
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coaches have been on the hook for some decisions. We're like,
let's talk about this for a minute. Shall we take
me through your I mean that's from McVeigh all the
way through Peyton, all the guys that are declared geniuses
to the guys that we had on the most likely
to be fired, They've all had their moments through five
weeks of the season where you're just like, wow, this
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is just painful to watch, but I can't look away.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, no, And that's I think a lot of teams
are now just planning because again, the extra game I
think just added a lot to the season. So now
you're trying to manage this first third of the year
to get your set self set up for the second third.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I mean because you don't you don't necessarily play.
I mean we look at the preseason all the time
and start talking about the old way the Patriots did things,
and I think that's where the Chiefs are right. You're
integrating a bunch of different players, a different style, a
different philosophy. And yes, the because of the injuries and stuff,
I think they had to ratchet Kelsey up maybe a
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little faster than they wanted to, or maybe he just
got himself fully back into into shape and is ready
for that bigger workload. But you know, throughout the NFL,
it's the same thing of like, all right, because Captain
Kirkin company didn't look so great for the first four weeks,
right sure, and then all of a sudden against Tampa
division rival, he's winging the ball all over the yard.
(10:09):
At five oh nine. We joked about it last week,
he was what one hundred yards ahead of where the
Patriots were through four games. So, I mean, that's kind
of where we're at. And you're watching some of these
young quarterbacks trying to grow, trying to find their space,
others where they can't get out of their own way,
whatever the hell they've decided. Stefanski was a genius a
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year ago. Now nothing's working in Cleveland. That's been torn
asunder Cincinnati's defense, which we expected to be Okay, they've
been terrible, and now they're bereft and ravaged by injuries
and just go on down the line. It's like just
curious watching, you know, teams try to evolve into this
second quarter of the season, and it's just a mess.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It truly is, and it's so much of a mess
that now, not only do we have just two unbeaten
teams and the Chiefs and Vikings at five and zero,
we actually only have.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Three one loss teams.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
That's how much of a mess the National Football League
is is right now, is you only have three teams
with one loss. I thought maybe there would be four
or five, you know, somewhere along that way. But you
have the Commanders at four and one, you have the
Texans at four and one, and the other one is
the Lions who haven't even played their fifth game yet,
so that could change because they have a trip to
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Dallas coming up in week six.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
So there's I mean, everybody's just there, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
But that's just it, right Dan, If I say put
the three teams on the metal stand that are the
best teams in the National Football League, whether you have
want to consider a record or not. What do you
got the Ravens but their defense stinks.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, I'd put the I'll tell you what, because I've
thought about this as well. Not to answer up, but
i'd but I do believe in the Vikings and put
the I'd actually put the Lions too, and I'd put
the Chiefs three. But if the Chiefs played the Vikings.
I'd probably picked the Chiefs, and if the Chiefs played
the Lions, I'd probably pick the Chiefs. But I don't
think they're better than those two teams. So that sounds
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I made it even more of a mess with my
own metal.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Stand No, but that's just it, right. So like I
look at it and all right, we got the Ravens
get into the mix maybe, and then you've got Houston
and Washington, where I'm like, all right, there's there's elements
of both those. I don't like it now. Houston may
miss Nico Collins for a while. Washington I just don't
know like it does. It doesn't feel like like it.
(12:37):
I don't have the confidence. But I look at their
division and I say, all right, yeah, they're gonna run
rough shot over a bunch of these teams, So how
do I not include them? But to your point, Minnesota, Detroit,
Kansas City, it's hard to argue with those, right, Kansas City.
To be the man, you gotta beat the man. The
old Rick flair line that comes in. They're five and
oh going into a bye week, yep. Now they have
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two weeks to a get healthier and be trying to
figure out wrinkles to make these guys more valuable. I
mean they drew that fifty yard pass interference for Xavier Worthy.
Not a lot of contact there, but I mean he's in. Look.
I'm sure some folks will say, yeah, fat guy, but
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it's he's one hundred and eight pounds soaking wet sure,
so any contact has taken him to the turf. So
you get that call. And folks have their ideas on
officiating in the chiefs, whatever it may be. But again,
I trust their defense, I trust their philosophy, their continuity,
whatever that they're going to be there. I think we
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trust Campbell at this point. Minnesota is interesting. But as
long as Flores's defense and they don't lose any key
components there, they gotta be a pain in the ass.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, it's all three of the teams that I pick.
I like because of their physicality.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So one thing about Houston that I wonder, you know,
we don't know once Joe Mixon comes back, maybe some
of the that's regained that offense, that would be my
question mark there. And I just for his greatest Washington's
Bend and for his greatest things have gone, I'm just
not ready yet to put it all on Jayden daniels shoulders,
but we shall see.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Maybe he'll prove me wrong over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, it's certainly been a fun run. I mean, like
he and I and Caleb Williams look like two guys
that are more than capable of handling some offenses. And
when we always wring our hands about young quarterbacks, it's
good to at least after five weeks, be able to
exhale and say, all right, the kids are okay, they're
starting to move in this right direction. But yeah, I mean,
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the Commanders obviously at this point one of the great
stories of the year. Just a fun watch, especially where
the franchise has been dan just to see at least
a little bit of upheaval and a turnaround there. Whatever
you think of name conventions and their past.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Mike tries to solve the riddle that is the Buffalo Bills.
I'll take the other side. I think I know what
Sean McDermott and they were doing. It may not make sense,
but I think I know what they were trying to do. Plus,
the Colts know what they're doing with the quarterback. The
Raiders have no idea, and the Browns just have no
answer all of those topics in so much more coming
up next here, and I want your flex, so let's
(15:23):
put a bow on Week five, hit Mike up again
at Swollen Dome. Find me dan Byer at dan Byer
on Fox. Ian Roddy going to be chiming in as well.
You had a problem with the Bills chucking it downfield
with their backs pinned against their own end zone, which
ultimately led to the fifty nine yard game winning field
google by fair Baron as the Texans escape with a
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twenty three to twenty victory over Buffalo. You're not loving
the Sean McDermott and Joe Barry bonds away.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's tough, right, It's one of those where you're trying
to put the weights of justice, you know, Lady Justice,
and where where where you're at and all this because
I generally like aggressiveness. However, However, when you're already down
as many starters as they are right, you're missing Shakir,
your defense has been hit with a number of injuries
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in your back seven, and you're tied, and you have
the opportunity to finish out the game that you would
be so aggressive just left me confused, right, And I
like again, I like the aggressiveness to a point, but
we know in this day and age, guys hitting fifty
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five sixty yard field goals it's not out of the
question because we've been seeing them all season long.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, so you know, the the.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Taking shots down field and trying to go deep and
put yourself in position for a field goal make of
your own I get it. You know, bass can can
come out and we've certainly seen them hit from long
distance in the past. But you're on the road. You
got an opportunity to grab a game here against the
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team you may see again in January. And look, we
all hate the overtime rules. I get it, coin flips
and whatever else, but just putting yourself in that position
just seemed unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
What I think they they did, and this is me
defending them. Houston had all three of their timeouts, and
Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Was back in the game.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Not too long after completely getting his bell rung, and
now he was cleared to go back in no idea,
But that's a.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Whole other discussion. Point Dana problems with you.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, but here's my thinking. They felt that they could
run more time off by chucking the football downfield fifty
yards than just handing it to James Cook and having
him get stuck at the line.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Of sus tickled. Yeah, I mean, because that's like a
two second play versus the ball traveling crab for five seconds. Yeah,
I could see that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And you maybe have the opportunity, maybe you get a
pass interference. I don't know, but I think that they're
thinking was the Texans are just going to call a
timeout anyway, and if we run enough time on the clock,
who cares if they have three timeouts still and there's
only sixteen seconds left, you know, on the board. So
that was my thinking, and it almost worked. I mean
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it didn't in the end. It didn't. So again almost
is nothing. But when they threw it deep, they got
it down. When they ended up punting, they were punting
with sixteen seconds left, and so by the time you
get a return to about the forty six yard line
or so, there was only seven seconds left on the clock.
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And so to that point you're like, all right, seven seconds.
You just have to make sure they don't get that
little bit of yardage that they needed, and in that
case it was nine was good enough. So I think
that's what they were thinking. And they could have just
tried to get the first down and run out the clock,
you know, in that way as well. But I don't
think that they felt that they were going to be
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able to run the ball, and so they just felt
chucking it downfield could maybe be.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Their better off.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I kinda dig that the high arching all right, we
can get six or seven seconds. Yeah, I think about
punt hang times. Maybe you get an offensive or you
get a defensive bass interference instead you got Coleman called
for OPI and it.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Would and it would have been different if the Texans
had two timeouts, because then you would have been able
to run the clock out. It wouldn't have mattered. You
would have just ran the ball. They would have called
timeout twice, and then the third time you had up
taking of it. They had all three timeouts, so you
knew that they were going to likely use them. So
that was my thinking of them trying to get just
a couple of more seconds off the clock, knowing that
they would have to punt, and then by that time
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maybe there wouldn't be enough time, or they would or
all the Texans could.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Do is just right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Maybe you got me sold Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Don't know, just it didn't work out. It almost did,
but didn't work out for him.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yes, it it's just go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
They shouldn't have been in the game anyway. Well, there's
that too, Yeah, giving.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
It things away like the key on Coleman touchdown, he
stepped out of bounds twice.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But I think that's the other part of it though, Dan,
is you have the opportunity potentially to go steal one,
So go take your best shot to steal one. Yeah. Yeah, right,
So I don't know, it's it's it's tough because you know,
clearly they still have some issues that they need to
work out in terms of depth at wide out and
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rounding that out. But as you said, I mean it's
it's a mess in across football in terms of losses
and parody that you're you're not losing that much ground anyway.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But another funky situation that people may have missed, and
when the Giants blocked the field goal of the Seahawks
and ran it back for a score put them up
twenty nine to twenty. Did you see they took a
knee on the convert Yeah, because in the point and
the reason why if anybody saw it was wondering and
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I'm not sure if they explained another broadcast, but we
talked about it on the Sunday Show.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I'd do with Kerry Rhodes.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
If you have a blocked kick, Seattle can run it
back for a score, and then it's a one score game.
If you have an interception, if you have a fumble
of any sorts, if you're running a two point conversion
in that play, Seattle can pick it up and run
it back for a score. They were preserving the two
score game by just taking a knee on the conversion.
They just blocked a field goal and ran it back
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for a touchdown. I'm sure they're like, hey, Seattle could
do the same on an extra point. We're not going
to take that risk. We'll just take our two point
lead and be good of it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Well, I mean, I think in a huddle you just say, hey, guys,
don't lay down. Sure, sorry, by.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The way, to lose my good by the way, the
sex they are completely at fault for that loss, but it's
for another day in time. They turned around with Seattle
or with San Francisco on.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Thursday Thursday short week, because that's the question, Like for
both the Seahawks and for and for the forty nine
Ers to a degree of you know, how much are
you looking ahead, you know to the Thursday game and
what you need to be able to do there, because
you know, a lot of hand ringing after the forty
nine Ers lost to the Cardinals as well. But it
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made for some interesting Fantasy Final final scores and a
bit of chaos in Week five, for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
What do you what do you think the Raiders end
up doing at quarterback for the I guess near future.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I think you don't have any choice. You go to
O'Connell like Minshew had had his run yep, and you
play it out like it's it's a mess there quite obviously.
I don't think enough's being made of the fact of
and I know he's in the pros, much like you
know Jim Harbaugh. But what Pierce at Arizona State at
(22:56):
the tweet or Instagram post, I should say that we
talked to out last week on the podcast and all
of that. Devanta Adams is still a member of this
team as we as we record this on a Monday.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Night am Eastern time, Pacific tide.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
That's still hanging there and players still have to answer
questions about him and their roles and whatever else, and
they have no control over any of this garbage. Like
I've said on record many times, like I don't want any.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Part of him.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Sure right, declining guy, Clearly he's in the me phase
of things with the myriad interviews and everything else. I
know Kay Adams was supposed to have him on her
show on Tuesday that I guess is canceled. So maybe
we'll actually get some movement, or maybe someone finally told him, hey,
stop doing interviews. Yeah, let's let's figure this out.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Can I tell you?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
The one thing about that that I thought was interesting
of the cancelation of that interview sure was the news
during the Chief Saints game. Yeah, and so I'm like, Okay,
I don't think the Raiders are going to do a
deal with the Chiefs, but we know Derek Carr and
the connection with the Saints. I wondered if that was
maybe why this deal hasn't been done because the Saints
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were playing on Monday night.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And we'll see how it played out.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, or just even the and now you know who
knows that Derek with Derek Carr's situation, but maybe that
there was a deal They're like, Okay, we'll just wait
till after the game. We'll do it on the off
day when we get back and do a trade. I
wondered at that point if that was maybe a reason
why that maybe the Saints were going to end up
being the destination. The outside shot would have been Kansas City.
(24:40):
But I just I don't care how bad the Raiders
want to get rid of them. I just don't think
you can trade him to Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, I don't. I think you're one hundred percent right.
The other I saw, I forget who it was, but
you know, the Twitter thread started to become Derek Carr
leaving this game playing chess, DeVante Adams coming to the
rescue soon because outside of the big play to Shakir,
I mean there there wasn't a whole lot of I'm
not to Shakir to Shaheed. There wasn't a whole lot
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of look going on for that offense, and weeks one
and two are a distant memory for the Saints at
this point in terms of the workings of this offense
and what they're able to do. You know, say nothing
and then take nothing away from the Chiefs defense, for sure,
But yeah, I mean, the timing is interesting, and it's
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all a question of do you think you can get
through where he just wants to play football for twelve weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I think you can, but I just don't know
where that would be. I don't think he's a malcontent
by any means. Devanta Adams is a great guy. But
he also went to Las Vegas, and everything that's there
that the reason that he went there is gone except
the contract that he said that said I'm going to
play for you for X amount of years.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Because that because I mean that was that was a
pretty sizable contract. I mean, as much as we can
talk about how much he wanted to go play with
his old buddy Derek Carr, I mean that that contract
probably spoke a lot more than then the Hey, I
get to reunite with my buddy. But certainly the organization
has changed quite a bit in a short amount of
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time for him, as as you look at and then
it becomes the the discussion of all right, thirty plus
year old receiver hamstring injury. And now we start and
I always hate the well, we have to speculate how
injured he is. But we've we've talked to plenty of
(26:36):
pros and X pros in our field here, Dan that
admit to you know, the lower back that ain't showing
up on an X ray being an issue for load
management or some of these things where it's like, yeah, no,
it's a bit, you know, it's still still not right,
still a little tender. So how much is you know,
real versus imagined in all of this? And and you know,
(26:57):
Will how quickly does he ramp back up to where
or hey, you've got them back at one hundred percent capacity.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The question is in Indianapolis is how quickly do you
turn back to Joe Flacco if things aren't working with
Anthony Richardson? Because Shane steike And on Monday gave Richardson
vote of confidence saying that when Anthony Richardson is fully
healthy that he will be the starting quarterback of the
Indianapolis Colts. But despite the loss against Jacksonville, Joe Flacco
(27:23):
was great over three hundred yards passing three touchdowns, and
I just it's a head scratcher to me. I would
stick with Flacco. It's a second straight year you had
a veteran come in and your offense has been better.
I'd know that there's the investment to Anthony Richardson, but
right now, I wouldn't mess with this. Why not squeeze
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the orange that you've got with Joe Flacco and get
as much juice as you can out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, I know the Cleveland Browns wish they'd been a
little more resolute in their decision making. Hey, we don't
care if Deshaun doesn't like this, because perhaps maybe the
Browns aren't in complete free fall as they are right now.
But yeah, in Indianapolis, I find it hard to not
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just run with Joe Flacco, right, Anthony Richardson, I get
at the rookie and bringing him along. Can he learn
you know, on the bench, you know, and the temperament,
Like I know, we always have these arguments of you
may lose him. Well, if you lose him because A
he's hurt, B the other guy is better, then he's
(28:34):
not your guy. Then he's not your guy. And you
know it's not on Richardson, And it's just my general
philosophy on this stuff of the professionals. Right if right
now you've got a better chance to win, and the
team rallies around Flackel and clearly spreads the ball around
and they get the best of everything. I mean, look
this week, they didn't have Jonathan Taylor and they still
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put up those points and those offensive drives and everything
that you saw. I don't know, Like, if you're trying
to win, Flacco gives you the better chance to win, period.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I think the situations are different than other guys who
are drafted Bryce Young obviously number one, CJ. Strouds and
trenched in Houston. But I think it's a little different
with Richardson, where I think you could, because of his
inexperience coming into the pro game, that you could still
treat him like Jordan Love, like you could have him
for another three years.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Again, I let him.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Joe Flacco's not going to be in your team for
three years. Let use that time to try to figure
it out. You don't have to make the answer of
Anthony Richardson right now. If you've got at least a
suitable guy to play in Joe Flacco. It's kind of
it's the Packers light, like Aaron Rodgers was an MVP,
so there was no rush to sit there and play
Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I'm just a big believer. If your guy's not ready,
you're guys not ready. Right, Yeah, I don't care if
he's drafted first all and I get it, there's a
big bonus check that gets paid and expectations of a city,
But if your team is still needing to be built around,
like Kayleb Williams came into a team that was pretty good.
Yeah right, you've got a defense that's given up twenty
(30:16):
points or fewer and what ten straight games? Now ever
since the Montes sweat deal and Iberflu's doing more on
that side of the ball, and you know, I still
want to know what happened to that guy.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
But Alan Williams still still all.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
These these these weeks later, still no answers. But you've
got a good DC there now, were working with eb loose, right,
So you've got that working and you brought you made
a big investment. They should have invested more on the
offensive line. But you've got skilled position players, so him
playing it makes sense. For Jaden Daniels, you saw that
(30:53):
there's personnel on the offense, not that you'd expect these
heights from him, but that he was going to be
put in a position and where for Cliff Kingsbury and company,
you could put him into positions where he'd be able
to be solid or better. Race Young didn't have that, right,
he didn't have that, Like there was nothing in that
(31:14):
infrastructure to make you believe he was anything other than
being thrown to the Wolves. And we've had plenty of
other circumstances just like that to where like, you know,
look at what Drake May. I mean, we watched him
get obliterated in those few minutes he played against the Jets.
Was there any point in putting in that game unless
Jacoby Brissett couldn't answer the bell for the next possession?
(31:36):
And the discussion about May becoming that guy now is
silly to me, Like there's nothing there for him to
build off of other than just saying, all right, I
checked a box and I started in an NFL game.
I don't know where there's a win to be had there.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'll just I'll just say this about the Colts because
in fantasy we look at schedules, and I even think
overall you look at schedules. So the Colts are sitting
there coming off of a tough loss to Jacksonville and
near two and three on the season. Well, you have
the Titans coming up in Week six, and then you
have the Dolphins and then you have the Texans in
a rivalry game, so you have two games that are winnable,
(32:17):
so you could be four and three, and after the
Texans game, you've got the Vikings, the Bills, the Jets,
the Lions. Who gives you the better chance to win
a game out of that stretch because you're going to
have to if you want to be a playoff team,
you're gonna have to win one of those four games.
I don't think it's Anthony richards You can put the
Texans in there as well. You're going to have to
(32:38):
win at least one of those five games to have
any chance at saying all right, here we are. We've
now got five wins on the season. How do we
finish this last third of the year. So is it
Anthony Richardson or is it Joe Flacco? And I think
that the answer is pretty simple. It's Joe Flack. I'd
rather have Joe Flacco as the quarterback in that stretch
of games than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Point about you know, quarterbacks starts college into pros. We
saw some things from Richardson and we have as a
pro in the games that he's been able to finish
those have been few and far between. Yep, right, he's
a special athlete with a cannon for an arm. But
in terms of being able to finish and give you
the consistency to get you to the winner circle consistently,
(33:24):
it's Flacco all day long. And you saw how that
offense responded again, missing Jonathan Taylor, a guy that usually
carries the ball twenty to twenty five times, and having
to mix and match with peers and get Pittman involved
and everything else that they had to do. He was
able to do it and do it well. Yeah, you
take the l but I think you see far better
(33:49):
results on a week to week basis to where you're
at least in a position to win.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
He's Mike Carmen. I'm Dan Byer. Mike's got some waiver
wire pickups. I may throw in a name as well.
We'll check in how Ian streaming defenses is defenses were
this past week. You know, my survivor stunk, so we'll
go over that, plus so much more to get to.
He's Mike Carmon. I'm Dan Bayer. This as I want
your flex Mike Scott some waiver wire pickups heading into
(34:17):
week six, but we do some report card checking. He's
Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer. The executive producer is Ian Roddy.
This is I want your flex and run of applause
from Mike Carmen. Lamar Jackson was his number one quarterback
and boy did he show it against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Joe Burrow had himself quite a day as well in
that contest, but Lamar showed up and showed well.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
You also had.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Jamar Chase as one of your top five. Javonte Williams
was a Raider crusher, didn't get into the end zone,
but was active in the in the passing game and
on the ground. Trey Sermon got into the end zone
for the Colts. So Trevor Lawrence, Yeah, Trevor Lawrence as
a ninja played Mike Carmon in week.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Five and Rogers and Darnald the Stink. Yes, I to
take my victory lap. Rogers finishing what eighteenth and well
say Sam was down at number twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Now Rogers again was my oasis song.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And the Oasis song for week five was what's the
story Morning Glory? And that on the morning game of
Jets Vikings and I'll tell you what he was driving down.
All I said was Aaron Rodgers three touchdown passes. That's
that's what I was I was hoping for. I didn't
know what we would get yards yards wise, guys, But
I don't know if you noticed Aaron Rodgers through three
(35:33):
touchdown passes. One of them was to Minnesota. But still, guys,
I'm taking it as the win.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It may have gone into Andrew Van Ginkell's hands, but hey,
the other two were Jets touchdowns, So I am taking
that as a win.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
On my Oasis song.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Absolutely, you take the w thereat and we get to
say Van Ginkel, which is always a win.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I hit points of Palooza Colts Jaguars was seventy one
one point of fare. Even though that the Ravens Bengals
was a little bit higher, it was still a higher spread.
So I'm gonna take the victory on that. But once
again I lost survivor. I said to take the Seahawks
and they failed me. But Ian said to take the
Seahawks as a streaming defense, and that did not fail Ian.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No, it did not.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Yeah, the Seahawks were pretty good. Them and the Packers
were my two streaming defenses of the week. That I
gave you guys, and you know, the Seahawks ended with
that Ray Shawn Jenkins touchdown, which was big. I've, you know,
obviously cheering as I saw that happening, because I'm in
this with you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Like that's like when I when I give.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
These streaming defenses, I'm using.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Them as well.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
So if if it's a bad pick, I suffer as well.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
If it's a good pick, I celebrate with you.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Well, you will come to realize on how much you
actually cheer for your advice that you give people, because
there is no worse guilt feeling than telling someone to
bench someone or start someone and they do the exact opposite.
In fact, our buddy Scott who listens to the pod
and we'll always check in. I think we let's help
(37:03):
Scott get to a Fantasy Championship. Last year he asked
me about Tank Bigsby. He had three guys he was
just as Hill, Tink Bigsby, and uh Xavier Laget from
the Carolina Panthers. And I said, I like I go,
I like him in the order of Laguet, Hill and Bigsby.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
But I also said, I wonder.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
If Bigsby's in for a big week this week because
it was my points at Palooza that may not have
been the most the most strongest staunchest stand, but I
was saying, hey, I'm kind of wondering, this may be
where you want to go. And so then when Bigsby's
having those you know, the day that he had against
the Colts, I'm I'm thinking, like, gosh, I hope Scott
(37:45):
played him. Gosh, you're thinking that thing. So Ian, Yeah,
welcome to the group.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah, no, it's good. But and then and then the
but and both ended up well, so you know, to
that point, I had a good week in that sense.
And the Packers. The Packers were even better. They were
the first one I named. They were an interception, a fumble, recovery,
three sacks, love to see it, eleven fantasy points.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Cuba Hubbard keeps rolling is one of Mike's hot plays.
Even though the Panthers didn't have a bears. Yeah they
got they got bears, they got beared. But but Hubbard
got into the end zone again for Carolina. So a
bright spot at least for the Panthers. All right, looking
a hat the week six, Mike, because now there are
four new teams on by that'd be the Chiefs, Rams, Dolphins,
(38:28):
and Vikings who were looking at waiver wire entering this one.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Well, we get things started at the quarterback position. How
about a little Daniel Jones going up against the Cincinnati Bengals.
I know this is folks shaking their head, but he's
throwing multiple touchdown passes three of the last four weeks
in theory gets neighbors back coming off of the concussion protocol.
(38:51):
So an opportunity there. The aforementioned Joe Flacco if nothing else,
he needs to be rostered, I think is what we've
seen from the last two weeks, and then we'll it
from there. A lot more leagues starting to use the
two quarterbacks or the super flexes or whatever flat goes agether.
That's gonna be pivotal to a couple of wins for
(39:11):
fantasy owners coming out of those slots. Because of Richardson's
injury history, I mean, we just went through it and
chronicled it all, so the opportunities are gonna be there
as well. Derek Carr will keep an eye on his status,
but fantasy owners have not flocked to him at all.
He's rostered only in about forty percent of leagues on
(39:34):
average across the big site, so potential for him to
make some hay Again. I know the reputation, but if
he's gonna keep chucking the ball down to Shaheed now
and again, hey, big things are gonna happen. So those
are the three guys that we look at at the
quarterback position, Tyrone, Tracy for the Giants. Singletary will be back,
but I think Tracy's done enough to say, hey, I
(39:57):
need some of that workload share for sure. Tank Bigsby
owned in only about one fifth of leagues, so he's
gonna be one of the top free agent acquisition budget
line items for this week because Etn hurt once again,
right if you if you've had any wagers on his
(40:17):
over under for total yardage, thinking, hey, this is as
you said. Dana points a bluesicon of opportunity and then
he leaves with injury, opening the door for Bigsby to
have a big workload once again. So you got a
shot there. Ty Chandler in Minnesota gets a bit of
a workload, so we we get him into the mix
(40:39):
on our big board of potential plays. A guy that
I think is a speculative play long term, Blake korm
just because the run game is and I don't know
how much I like Kyron Williams, but that's the one
thing for the Rams that seems to be working so so,
especially in and around the red zone area. So if
(40:59):
nothing else, the old handcuff kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And the other thing is they're gonna need to run
the ball because they can't stop the run. They're not
very good and Cooper Cups should return after their bye
week in week six, but the Coup is still out,
so yeah, the Rams still have a little ways to.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Go, still a little ways to go. They have another
option again bye weeks, so you're you're not diving to
them necessarily, but a guy to put on the radar
is Colby Parkinson. Target count has been immense the last
couple of weeks again, safety valve. Offensive line play for
the Rams not very good, which means a lot of
hot route, hot route, get the ball out and make
(41:38):
a play as it were, wide receiver. Everybody's already put
in their claims for Darnell Mooney, don't need to go there.
Jalen Tolbert, Brandon Cook's probably gonna miss some extra time
for the Cowboys, so Tolbert with a large target count
the last couple of weeks, Lazard, As much as you
may not want to go anywhere near that Jets offense,
he's got targets and he actually catches that ball. Maybe
(42:01):
that pick six for Van Ginkel never happens, sure about that.
There you go changing history like sliding doors. There you
go cinema history. Go back and watch that, Gwyneth Paltrow gem.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
If Mike Williams understands the back shoulder throw as well,
you know, maybe there's an opportunity there for a third
touchdown to an actual jet.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
But there's there's a lot going on there in New
York for sure.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Well, Josh downs they had twelve targets for the for
the Colts, since we were talking a lot about them.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Interesting this, Yeah, I mean are guys that are unowned
in mostly.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I am interested in a guy that
I did mention earlier, Keank Coleman's it owned in about
half of league's. Buffalo really missed Khalil Shakir past weekend,
and Josh Allen and Dalton Kincaid couldn't get on the
same page, So it was it was quite the struggle.
But on that fourth and five, they did go to
(42:55):
Kean Coleman, and even though again he stepped out of
bonds like eighteen times and they said he was still in.
But still you're wondering, at some point does he end
up taking over that role, because that's the reason they
drafted him. You know, we're seeing what Xavier Worthy is
doing for the Kansas City Chiefs, and we know how
that trade went down, so maybe the Bills feel the
(43:15):
need to even get it to Kian Coleman even more.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Absolutely, looking at some of the target I mean you
look at Josh Downs missed the first couple of weeks,
He's already had twenty six targets, which puts them in
the top fifteen. Oh wow in the National Football League
thus far in terms of target count. Go a little
bit deeper, you know. Two chill at Well has had
a pretty big target count. Again a RAM, so he's
(43:38):
on a buy. But you know, looking at the long
long play and a lot of it comes back to
how quickly Cup and Nikua get back into the mix.
With Cup coming back, you know, we'll we'll watch as
the target sharers kind of dip. Ray Ray McCloud, he
was a guest of the show after the Atlanta Tampa
game seven five, three, seven nine. Now week to week
(44:01):
you're gonna wonder who's getting fed, but certainly one to watch.
I mean, if you're getting five or more targets per game,
four out of five, you're part of the plans. So
and with Bijon Robinson owners still sad. Sorry tried to
warn you. I didn't think it would play out this way.
I thought it would still be just a workload split
(44:21):
with l geer as opposed to, Hey there's Kirk just
standing tall in the pocket throwing the ball fifty times again,
but hey, you take it as it comes.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, you can't argue there's when the falcons are throwing
the pill. And I even saw an article today it's
like the one two punch of Drake London and Darnell Mooney.
Never would have thought, but you know, I liked Ray
Ray McCloud earlier in the season as well as.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
And I don't think that goes away.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So yeah, sorry, yeah, I mean that's the that's the
way it goes. It's the them's the breaks, as they say.
But yeah, it's it's funny just looking at at the
target count. I mean, you look at Darius Slayton for
the Giants four or more and in four of the
five games, including eleven in Week five. Going up against
(45:11):
the Cincinnati defense this week, he might be a nice
little streaming play for you off the wire because Cincinnati's
defense they lost a couple more players to injury. Uh
and and UMO has had no answer for any defense
or any offense.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I should say, Yeah, they are zero and three at
home this season. So the to the Ravens, Patriots and
the Commanders, Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
And the loan the lone win on the road in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
And now you go in and you face a Giants
team that finds a bit of confidence, and wow, it's
kind of crazy, man. And that's that's a Sunday night game.
I know, I know folks are going I gotta watch
Daniel Jones in prime time.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
There was a report that I heard that the that
NBC wanted to flex that out and have Commanders Ravens.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
I don't know if that was. I don't know if
a rumor or report was.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But Cave, you know, and Rich brought it up, and
I thought I was surprised because I never thought that
that NBC would want to flex out of the New
York market. But anyway, Hey, we're going to get Bengals Giants,
which isn't that bad of a game.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
No, it's fantasy purpose.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yea, and the Bengals is still a lot of interest.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Absolutely, Yeah, all right, let her wrap it up for
our post week five wrap up. If I want your
flex hit Mike op Bantswollen Dome, Ian great stuff as always,
will do it against suon Man. Ian Roddy is our
executive producer. Find him at Ian Roddy Underscore and I'm
Dan Byer. Hit me up at Dan Byer on Fox.
I got to get ready for Thursday showed on already
with the Seahawks ticking on the San Francisco forty nine Ers,
(46:45):
huge game. I'll still try to draw my sorrows after
that disappointing New York Giants defeat. Well, Mike gets ready
for London as his Bears go to face the Jaguars,
and Ian's Jets are coming back.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
They got a Monday that affair with the Buffalo Bills
in week six.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
For the first place for Yeah, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
We'll look ahead to all of that in the week
six next time here and I want your flesh m
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