November 28, 2024 • 44 mins
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more than that. Aaron Torres on this Thanksgiving, as we've
found out, it is also a friends giving.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
It's the Torres Friendsgiving, non Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Bernie Frado's gonna stop by. He told me so, It's
gonna do so in twenty minutes we'll find out where
this Lions Bears ending ranks in the history of Thanksgiving
stories that have happened featuring the Lions in Motown, and
Bernie's taken in a fair share. We'll get his thoughts,
plus a good travel down memory Lane. That and so
much more on this Thanksgiving Day, friends, stopping by If
(01:26):
you missed it earlier, Aaron and I were in for
the Doug Gottlieb Show, So this is for us. We've
been here two plus hours and in that time, Chris Gordy,
our buddy from Houston Sports Talk seven to ninety and
Lockdown sec joined us. Then Tim Patrick, Yes, that Tim Patrick,
the wide receiver of the Detroit Lions. Wait to you
hear what he had to say about how the Bears
handled these late second scenarios. We'll get that coming up
(01:49):
in the show. And then Torres's Saturday Night cohort Jason Martin,
who's got to be back here probably in about twelve
hours from now or something like that. I'm not exactly
but ballpark looking at twelve to fifteen hours from now.
I's got to be back here on Fox Sports Radio
as he and Brian no are teaming up. But you
and j Mart every Saturday night, eleven eastern, eight Pacific
get together and talk college football. And we did that
(02:10):
with Jamart earlier. So it's been fun.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We appreciate you, well, we appreciate everybody joining us here
on our friends Giving celebration. But yeah, J Mart and
I will have plenty to talk about it. It's a
really fun shift. I know you and Carrie Rhodes crush
it on the Sunday Red Zone Radio. I don't know
that we have quite the same vibe, quite the fast
paced action on the eleven PM Eastern show, but we
are always coming off something really good. Last week it
(02:36):
was Alabama off the upset of a day filled with upsets,
but Alabama was the one that happened right in our window.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And obviously this week we're coming in off the big one. Texas,
Texas A and M.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I saw stat, Dan, I know we got to get
back to the NFL, but I saw a stat from
Tick Pic that Texas, Texas A and M on their
website is the most expensive regular season ticket they have
ever sold NFL or college. I think, as Chris Gordy said,
it's approaching like eight hundred dollars get in price crazy.
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So we're gonna, you know, because it's not only a
rivalry where they truly hate each other. They haven't played
in thirteen years, but there's now a playoff. There's a
trip to the SEC Championship on the line, and there's
a playoff Berth on the line. And so we're excited
about that, but obviously excited to spend the next two
hours Cavino and Rich with you with the gang, obviously
talking about a lot of football.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I think the idea of Thanksgiving and Friendsgiving is to
not complain. Yet we all have families and know that
in fact, it's the time where people mostly complain on holidays.
That's what you get, so what you get when you
get family together. We try to keep it positive here. However,
I am going to bring up a complaint that I
heard that I just never never really jumped on board with,
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and it was the flat that Big Newon Kickoff had
been getting over the last couple of weeks because of
the games that they've been putting in the new Eastern
nine Pacific window, specifically involving Ohio date in a lot
of those games. That's what I love. I love having
the if if you're not Aaron Torres or Jason Martin
and you're watching six games at one time. It's great
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to go from one to the other to the other.
I would hate to have Michigan Ohio State be up
against Texas and Texas A and M. I am a
fan of the spreadouts. I am good with it. I
know people have a problem. You want night games and atmosphere. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
not everybody gets to go to night games. Much bigger
picture here, I am all for it, and I think
that that is tomorrow Saturday is a perfect example of it.
(04:32):
If you're a college football fan, you can just go
from this great game to that great game to that
great game, and I have an enjoyable Saturday. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's a discourse that, obviously, because of my Fox affiliation,
I've kind of just sat out of because if I one,
if I don't defend Fox, it doesn't look very good.
But if I do defend Fox, oh, you're just defending
your company.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
One.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I agree with you on just the layout of the game.
And I remember, I think it was year one or
year two when they first implemented I was still on
Saturday Nights with Arnie Spanier and I brought up this point.
It's like twelve Eastern used to be kind of this graveyard,
you know, it used to be the joke, right, It
would be the Wisconsin Iowa game, the Iowa Minnesota game,
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and every game would be you know, six, three or
ten seven, and it was just it was unwatchable. And
so to get those big games, it spreads it out.
You can focus on those big games. But the thing
that has ended up happening, which is unfortunate and it's
not Fox's fault, is that I think where the discourse
really took off was just that it was like seven
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or eight weeks in a row, Ohio State ended up
in a New Eastern game, and those weren't all Fox games,
and so that was the part that you know, I
wanted to speak up, but I felt like I'd just
be defending my company. But it's like, listen, what Big
ten network chooses to do, or what you know other
networks choose to do, is out of Fox's control. Their
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job is to just basically, look, we're gonna put our
best game of the week in that Neon Eastern window
and surprise, surprise, a lot of times, the number two
team of the country is going to end up playing
in that window. By the way, previous years, it's been
a lot of Michigan games, it's been a lot of
other teams. You know, we had Colorado playing ten ten
am local time twelve eastern start times.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So I just bring it up.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Because I think it became a thing because Ohio State
ended up playing seven eight noon games in a row,
but those weren't all big noon games.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And to your point, Dan, for those.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Of us who do love college football, for those of
us who are able to sacrifice the entire day or
enjoy the entire day, it gives us another big game
and another big window where we don't have to jump
between two or three screens trying to watch all the
big games.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Isn't it funny because it felt that at one point
that three thirty eastern was the big time, Like there
was a day and age in college football where you're
playing the three thirty eastern time game, Like wow, that
was huge, Like that was the twenties some years ago.
Because of the TV contracts and then the Big ten,
like Jackson is going to be doing the game, you
know that you have at three point thirty eastern time,
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like that was the standard, then it moved to the
primetime games, and then now you've got it all over
the map. But I actually love it, and I hope
that it doesn't change. In fact, I think that the
NFL is too much when you look at a chief schedule,
night game after night game after night game. Like last
week there in Carolina, I was like the first time
in forever they had played like a one o'clock Eastern
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time start. Because all of the games growing up in Wisconsin,
the Packers always just played at noon Central time zone.
They weren't that good. I wouldn't doubt if the Packers
had less than five noon games on their schedule this year.
You just went up and down because of all the
different windows. They're a marquee team, They're a draw. I'm
all for it. I'm all for the afternoon football.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And like I said, is you know, listen, I understand,
first of all, I do understand.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Hey, one, there's just a lot of people that go
to games.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But two, there's a lot of people that because of
family commitments, because maybe you're more of a Sunday guy
or girl, you just can't sit there for twelve hours
a day. But I'd counter it by saying, you know, listen,
the one thing I've learned about college football fans, and
it is very obvious in this twelve team playoff here
they're going to complain about everything. But what I would
also say is, if let's just use this weekend as
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the hypothetical. If that big noon game was instead Michigan
Ohio State on at seven thirty, that'd be great for
Michigan Ohio State fans, But then college football fans would
be complaining, well, what about Texas, Texas A and m
how come all the good games are at the same time,
and so you can't keep everybody happy. And I just
think it's it's as a fan of the sport that
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is able to spend most of Saturday on the couch.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I like the spread out of the games.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
They may be old fashioned, maybe setting their ways, but
I remember in two thousand and six when it was
undefeated at Ohio State against undefeated Michigan, and the game
was moved off of the traditional noon Eastern time kick
and they had it as the three thirty Eastern time
And that's kind of the time that I was talking
about as well. Of like, when you look at that
time I'm of era in college football, three thirty Eastern
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was a big deal and the game started in the
daytime ended at night because it's one versus two game
of the century. But even the traditional lists were like,
why are you moving off of Neon Eastern? And they've
had it at New Eastern, I believe ever since.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So well, And I was going to say too, that's
the other thing, especially Michigan Ohio State. Again, I understand
the discourse, but with Michigan Ohio State again, that's a
great tradition. We're talking to open the Gottlieb Show that
for a long time there was a conversation, Hey, you
can't but get the lines off Thanksgiving Day. It's the
worst thing. And I'm so tired of watching this lousy team.
And it's like, it's okay to just keep some traditions,
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like we don't have to ruin every tradition for TV
and for money and for this and that. And so
I know we're talking about the bigger picture of Big Noon,
but that Michigan Ohio State, you know, high noon obviously
on the Saturday after Thanksgiving is one of the great
traditions in sports. And I'll say this is that would
be one that did feel weird if it was a
seven thirty eastern or three in a three thirty eastern kickoff.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Here's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Byer. I do want to
say something in regard to the Lions Bears game. I
actually and Caleb Williams was at faults for this. I
missed something in thinking about the big picture with the
Chicago Bears. The Chicago Bears question in the off season
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because we knew Mattieberfluss was going to return and they
brought in Shane Waldron's what do you do with the
first overall pick? Do you take KYLEB. Williams? Do you
trade the pick? What do you do with justin fields?
How do you handle this sort of sort of scenario?
And in my reasoning, Aaron, as I looked at everything,
I said, okay, you make this decision. You make that decision.
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And my decision was you take Caleb Williams at number one.
I wasn't sure if the Bears were going to do it.
Thought maybe they'd try to trade with Washington was one
of my theories. But ultimately they're gonna take Caleb Williams.
And when we were talking about that, scenario I said,
makes perfect sense. I'm on board with it. And one
of the reasons why I like it is because when
you draft Kleb Williams, if Matt Eberflus doesn't work out,
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you have got the marquee job in the NFL open
for practically anybody that you'd want to hire. Sure, and
I think some of that is true, but I'm not
sure if all of it is true. I think that
this year and how things have played out, maybe some
of it is to Caleb Williams' fault. But I don't
think that it is as rosy of a job as
(11:28):
I thought it was, say nine months ago, with Caleb
Williams as your quarterback, because there have been struggles this year.
We saw in this late game situation. You can maybe
just pin it on coach and quarterback just aren't on
the same page. But I don't know if it's as
rosy as I thought it was going to be. I
still think it's an amazingly good job. And if you
(11:49):
were an offensive coordinator and you're looking at the vacancies,
it's going to be difficult to pass one up where
Kleb Williams is your quarterback. But there has been some
collateral damage by letting Matt Eberflus coach this season, and
I think it's going to trickle on into the offseason.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, it's a great conversation and it goes back to listen,
I totally see your point. So this is not me
like criticizing the point of it. It's his desirable job.
And you get to see Ebra flues one more time
and they actually played pretty well down the stretch, all
that good stuff. My whole thing was multiple things to
all the stuff that we're talking about now, defensive head coach.
But then it's not only that you waste a year
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of Caleb, it's that it's this is.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Actually the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It's that you've not only wasted a year of Caleb
on the rookie contract whatever. But two, there is a regression.
And what did we talk about Dan and how Matt
Eberflus handled the final two minutes is that he looked timid,
that he lacked confidence, and that he's starting to second
guess and question everything he's doing. My worry is does
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that become Caleb Williams. I mean, this kid, we all
watched him at US. He played so much on instinct
so much on confidence, a guy that just listen. If anything,
the concern with Caleb Williams was that he believed in
his confidence. He believed in himself too much, that he
was too confident, and so you look at him losing
(13:12):
that confidence, and I do worry that not only has
the growth been stunted, but is there some type of
long term effect of that, not just the hits that
he's taken, the proverbial and figurative hits, but also just
the mental wear and tear of What made this guy
so special was that he ultimately believed in himself. He
ultimately believed that he could, you know, lead any comeback,
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he could make any throw, he could do whatever. And
now he's playing like a timid quarterback. And that is
obviously a big concern for whatever the future of this
franchise is.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
That's the toughest balance that I think the Bears are
gonna have to figure out is how much power do
you give Caleb Williams? But and how much do you
empower Caleb Williams with not having him take over everything
because you can't. You can't have a yes man to
your quarterback that you bring in. So it's the relationship
is going to have to be forged, but you're gonna
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need better play from him, So he's gonna have to
want to be coached. And so that's the balance of
how do you find the right mix. And I'll tell
you what, Tua and and Mike McDaniel, it's probably the
best relationship that we've seen of something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Holmes and Reid right would have to be the best.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Sure, but I would say that I would in the
case of looking at someone bringing in somebody new OCAs
Andy Reid was already there, but bringing in somebody new
and making it work for both parties. It's very You
may have your gripes about Tua, but he is a
better quarterback with Mike McDaniel as his head coach. Like
there's there's no doubt about that. And I and I
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think that's what you're gonna kind of have to need
in Chicago. You're gonna have to figure out a way
how do we maximize Caleb Williams but also not let
him run the entire shop, you know what I mean? Like,
there's there's gonna have to be a balance because he
can't be completely unhappy. He's the star cou quarterback. He's
got to he's got to have some say in all
of this. And whoever you bring in, it's going to
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have to play to his strength. It's gonna have to
do everything that you need to do. But you can't
let him take over the franchise zeroed out.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And and it's a fine line, by the way, I think.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So you and I were on air either the day
Shane Waldron got fired or the day after Shane Waldron
got fired.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We were filling in for Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And I only bring it up because I remember talking
to you about the inevitable, you know, move that's going
to be made. Do we have any confidence that the
Bears are actually gonna get it right? And and part
of it, and I think John Middlecoff brought this up.
I remember him talking about it is the weird power
struggle in the Bears organization where Kevin Warren's the team president,
but Ryan Poles is the GM and what does the
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team president even do? But Kevin Warren seems to be
the one that has the ear of the owner and
who's really making the decisions. But that's the part that's
that's sad to me, and that's the part that even
it goes back to the pre draft process when Caleb Williams,
you know, there were rumors and reports that he didn't
want to go to Chicago if they up with the
number one pick, which they obviously did. That's to me
(16:04):
the disappointing part is there are situations where you know
something doesn't work and it becomes obvious a change needs
to be made, and you know that the right people
are making the decision, and whether it works or not,
they're going to do the best to put the team
and the players in the best position. I'm just not
sure that that's actually going to happen when it comes
(16:25):
to the Chicago Bears. I mean, do you feel the
same way that there seems to be a reasonable chance
that they're going to screw up this higher even if they.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Move, even when they move off Eberflus this year, it's.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Much more of a possibility than it was a year ago.
And a long time ago, someone told me that when
they're smoked, there's usually a forest fire. So these concerns
about Kevin Warren, these concerns about Ryan Poles, I think
that there's more to it. I don't know if hard
knock always tells the story. I don't think it's shed
them in a great light and Kevin Warren in a
great light, but I think that there's something to that,
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and I think now you have more of a reason
to question it than you did a year ago. I
know it's not the full answer and the full backup,
but I do think that there's a reason to question
that it's not the necessary automatic home run, and that
may lead into the hire. May not be the exact
higher and the Bears in the way that they pay,
and or maybe lack thereof of coaches could be another
(17:18):
reason why this could be destined to fail well.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And that's again, is we hope that they get it. Listen,
I just and I said this last year when Brandon
Staley got fired with the Chargers, I said, look, we
all see the talent from Justin Herbert. I just hope
because the Chargers again were historically an organization that did
not make the right decision, that did not take the
big swing, that did not spend on coaches. And I
(17:45):
remember saying, like we all think, Justin Herbert is this guy.
I just want to see him put in position where
if he is on par with Mahomes and Josh Allen
that he is put in position to show whether he's
actually capable of that or not. And I just hope
the same thing is true for Caleb Williams. Is I
don't know who the name is. Is it Ben Johnson,
is it somebody else? Whatever, that doesn't matter. I just
(18:07):
hope they don't screw it up and we never get
to see the best version of Caleb Williams. By the way,
maybe the best version of Caleb Williams isn't better than
jayde and Daniels or bow Nicks and he ends up
being the fourth best quarterback in this draft class anyway,
But you just want to see what it looks like
when he is put in a position to succeed. I
think Ryan Poles obviously did a good job of surrounding
him with plenty of actual on the field talent, but
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it also goes without saying the coaching needs to be
a lot better going forward.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
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Speaker 4 (19:31):
Ah Yes, it is sitting in for Cavino and Rich
So glad to have you with us. Big thanks to
Bernie Fratto who stopped by. Tim Patrick of the Lions
came by as well. Chris Gordy locked out SEC and
Sports Talk seven ninety or FSR affiliate in Houston, came
(19:52):
by to talk some SEC and so much more. Jason Martin,
Aaron Torres's tag team partner, Saturday night, eleven o'clock Eastern time,
and there's more to come on this Friends Giving. Iowa
Sam's been here the whole time, producer says, hanging out
as well, Iowa Sam. It was only on a line
when Aaron took that shot at Iowa when he mentioned
(20:13):
normally we would get Iowa Wisconsin and that noon Eastern
time wind I was like, why am I catching straight?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
And then you use another Hiow example or Iowa Minnesota,
like these games that don't matter, these graveyard games.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, and it's funny because I actually thought, earlier in
the show we were doing favorite Thanksgiving traditions, I assumed
Iowa Sam was going with the Iowa Black Friday game,
which has become a little bit of a tradition last
couple year.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
It is, it is, definitely, but I think, I mean,
I think of the day of Thanksgiving and then I
think of like Black Friday as two different things. You
could say the whole Thanksgiving weekend. But you know, they've
only been playing this Heroes game, I think since twenty eleven,
so it's not that old. But we are a decade
and a half into it now, so you also have
an expanded schedule.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Where Ohio State Michigan used to be the week before
Thanksgiving the season was over. It was always leading into
the Thanksgiving week, and now it comes the week after,
so it's a little difference. As well as as an
Ohio State fan, I do want to dive into that
Ohio State Michigan stuff in a sec. But since we
brought it up, I've always felt and it's no longer
apropos because they don't have a TV deal with ESPN anymore.
(21:20):
But the most ESPN two game you could get at
noon Eastern to me was Minnesota Michigan State. Like I
think each conference has just an ESPN two game at
that time in that window, And to me, the big
Tens is Michigan State and Minnesota, and they're both four
and four.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They're like they're fighting for something, but yes, they're kind
of out of it already.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's like a that's like a good spot for a
Louisville Wake Forest game.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You're like, oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Forgot then I was gonna say something like pitt In
Wake Forest or Virginia Wake Forest. Right now, that's on
ESPN two. That would feel like a noon Eastern time.
I think you could do these with all of your
conferences if you wanted to. Yeah, yeah, Big twelve would a.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Bracket segment, you know, you could have like You're Yes,
You're You're Wake Forests and your yeah You're Louisville.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
You can't be good, but you can't be bad, like
you can't be good enough for that game. I would
say this, uh, Cincinnati West Virginia. That seemed like a
good ESPN two game at noon Eastern time in Morgantown.
Maybe with Beth Mowens on the call. Maybe, yeah, that
(22:37):
could be the case. Sure, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I would say the SEC version is pretty much anyone
that's not Alabama playing Mississippi States.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Like Arkansas. I was thinking Arkansas in that spot that works,
but I'm good with Mississippi State. Or it's let's check
out the Kentucky game, whereas ESPN two that's where you
can find it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I think with Kentucky Vandy they're playing again.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
It felt like I just played last week. It's true
you could do it with all conferences except the PAC
twelve because number one, they weren't up early enough and
me at well long game last week exists. Yes, well
we're in state, take on to win.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Remember, by the way, I was thinking about this not
that long ago, the COVID year when the pack well,
first of all, they came back super late, but their
answer to get more viewers was playing a nine am
local start time game. And it's like, hey, how about
you just have good teams and then you don't have
to worry about getting viewers. So what are we doing
playing a nine am local game in LA?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
That really happened Arizona State USC.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I do remember that, and I think, gosh, Boise is
up early. They've got their game. Is it? Is it
tomorrow or Saturday? They've got an early start as well
because Colorado had the Utah game was at a ten
o'clock local time start Boise Oregon State tomorrow on Fox
nine o'clock local time for us on the West coast,
(24:00):
So a noon eastern nine kick. So uh yeah, Poisse
getting these.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Colorado a noon eastern ten am central kick.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, Oklahoma State, Yeah, you're right, another another ten am kick.
There's nothing I used to I used to have to
do the Wisconsin pregame shows like a tailgate prior to
Badger games. When I when I worked in Madison and
we'd be setting up. There'd be some eleven o'clock local
time kicks, but you're there at like six thirty am
setting up for your two hour broadcast. There was nothing
like a hamburger and pepsi at seven fifteen in the morning.
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That was it was there was. There was this unique
taste Aaron Torres that I could I could still taste
it to this day and it's been about twenty years
since I had it. But at seven fifteen there was, yeah,
quite the taste in your mouth from uh, from that tailgate.
I didn't want to talk Ohio State Michigan and what
could happen if Ohio State loses and Ryan Day's not
(24:53):
going to be fired. Uh unless they then would lose
the next game, that would be the only that would
be the only way that Ryan Day would be gone.
So we can end that conversation there.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, I agree with that one hundred percent.
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He heard about the great time we were having. In fact,
you're going to hear from him in just a little
bit because you won't believe what he had to say
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on how the Lions and Bears game finished today. Still
can't get over this is. You know, we had Bernie
Franto on about thirty minutes ago, Aaron and Bernie was
telling us all about the history of the Thanksgiving Day
game in Detroit, and I've never forgotten the missed coin
flip call and overtime between the Steelers and Lions. This
(26:38):
is going to be one of those that we remember
just for the pure botching of how the game ended.
Maybe not as crazy as the ref thinking the player
said one thing instead of the other, but still for
the Bears to have one time out. They got down
to the twenty five yard line, heck, got within the twenty,
but a penalty ended up pushing him back to leave
with a timeout in your pocket. When you hear how
(26:59):
the Bears explain, you're going to even be more confused
at how it went down today in Detroit's crazy happenings.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, I mean it was even hard the first few
times we were trying to explain it to the audience
live that might be in a car or whatever, because
it's just it was one of those things that was
so inexcusable. You know, I don't want to put words
in the mouth of an NFL player, but I think
even Tim Patrick, who was on the other sideline, seemed
pretty shocked at the late game execution from the Bears.
(27:25):
So you know, listen, the Lions win again. The Bears, though,
were right, they were in position. I mean, whether it
was was to kick a field goal, whether it was
to get off a couple plays. Obviously, Matt Eberflus will
get to some of his sound, but he claims that
there was another play to be run to try to
set up a closer field goal. Whatever it is, you
can't deny that the that the Chicago Bears had their chance,
(27:48):
and you also can't can't deny what a debacle it
was down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
It was funny because we were on the air as
the game was winding down. We were in for Doug
Gottlieb on The Doug Gottlieb Show, now in for Kavina
Rich and our commercial break that we have at the
top of the hour was right as the Bears had
a fourth and fourteen and they got to what I
feel was a break. I did not think it was
a pass interference call against the Lions. I think it
(28:14):
was a bad call, but it set the Bears up
in lines territory first and ten at the Detroit twenty
five yard line with forty six seconds left. And I
know I did this earlier, but for those that watched it,
you'll know what I'm talking about. And for those that
missed it or didn't see it, you need to know
how the sequence of events came out at this point,
(28:35):
First and ten at the Detroit twenty five yard line,
forty six seconds left, and the Bears, who are down
by three, have two timeouts in a twenty three to
twenty game. So you're sitting there saying, there's forty six
seconds left, we have two timeouts to heck with a
field goal, Let's try to score a touchdown. We could
score a touchdown here. Worst case scenario is a field
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goal attempt, especially after you had your scenario a couple
of weeks back against the Packers when you settled for
your forty six yard field goal. Different circumstances. But the
Bears drive started at their own one yard line and
they had made it all the way down to the
twenty five. This is what happened. Incomplete pass to DJ
Moore only took three seconds off the clock. Second down
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and ten at the Detroit twenty five. Well, guess what.
The Bears messed it up, ran the play clock down
and ended up having to call a timeout. They had
two of them. Not the worst thing in the world,
saved five yards whatever, but they used that timeout. So
now they're down to one. Then on their second down
and ten when play from the twenty five, when they
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actually ate were able to run it, Caleb Williams said,
Keenan Allen for twelve yards down to the thirteen yard line,
but that was negated by a penalty illegal use of
the hands backs them up ten. So it's second down
and twenty now at the Detroit thirty five yard line,
thirty six seconds left. If you wanted to, you could
kick a fifty two yard field goal. Bring it out.
Why not. It's indoors, it's in fort field. We talked
(30:00):
about the long field goals that have happened there previously.
You could do it, but that wouldn't make any sense.
You want to get a little bit closer, considering what
happened against Green Bay. So Caleb Williams ends up getting sacked,
worst case scenario. But that's also why you have a
time out in your pocket or so we thought the
clock ticked, it ticked, it ticked. Finally, Caleb Williams, with
six seconds left, thirty seconds between snaps, ends up finally
(30:23):
taking a snap and instead of throwing a quick out
for a field goal attempt or to get five yards,
he chucks it downfield and it's incomplete to Roma Dunze,
and the game just ends. It just ends. I want
to start out. That's a pretty good summary, Aaron, pretty thorough.
I would say, I'm not patting myself on the back,
but that's essentially how it went down today in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It was a phenomenal description, and I think what would
even describe it better of how chaotic it was was
to listen to both radio calls of how it went down.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
All right, let's do that. Let's do that. We have
these Chicago Bears radio network call in this final play
for Chicago.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Fifteen seconds, third and twenty six. Caleb's got to make
a play here with eleven seconds to go in the game,
awaiting the snap, gotta hurry it up seven to six.
Takes the snap, Caleb Williams from the pocket, sings it
down the field, twisting turning inside the five as time
expires for Roma DUNESA, that's it, no flags and the
(31:26):
ballgame is over. Everybody's standing around and stunned, dis belief
on both sides.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Nobody's celebrating. But the game is over.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Something happened down the stretch here. It did not make sense.
Third and twenty six. That ball goes incomplete and the
Lions survived. Hey hillatious comeback by the Bears from sixteen down.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
The game is over. The game, the game was over.
I can understand the Bears despair. Didn't mean to rhyme there,
but I can understand the Bears despair.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I mean you could.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You could hear just the the deflation in their voices
of watching it in real time, clock ticking down, you
have the time out, you know what has.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
To be done. It isn't getting done.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And like I said, do you just hear it in
the voices of those two gentlemen making on the call.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
You're going to hear the Lions final call at the
end of all this, because I think it just works
better that way, because we're now in the despair era.
If this was the Taylor Swift era, that's where the
Bears were after this game. Wait till you hear what
Matt Eberflus had to say after the game and explaining
on how they ran their second and twenty and then
handle their third and third and twenty six play after
(32:39):
the Caleb Williams sack that basically ended the game. This
was the Bears head coach.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Then we're there at second and twenty, you know, take
the sack right there, you know. So we're at thirty
six seconds right there, And our hope was because it
was third going into fourth, that we would we wreck
that play at eighteen seconds, throw it in, bounce, get
into the filgal range, and then call the time out.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
And that's where it was.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
And that was our decision making process on that. Again,
we were outside the field goal range, you know, so
we needed to get a few more yards in there
as close as we can get, and then we're gonna
call time out. And that's why we held that last
time out at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I like what we did there.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Again, once it's under seven, you.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
Know, you're gonna you're gonna call uh, you know, time
out there or actually under twelve, and then really you
don't have an option.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
You know, because it's third and the fourth.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
You got to throw it into the end zone then,
so to me, it's uh, I think we handled it
the right way and I do believe that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Just rerack the play, get it in bounce and call
time out, and that's why we held it and didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Work out the way we wanted it to. Okay, so
those cuts we're backing back. Go ahead, Aaron twit can.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I can I ask you a question since and one
of the previous shows, I forget if it was the
hour one of Covino and Rich or if it is
Gottlieb you said and I think it made sense.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Is that Matty.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Eberflus saying what he says for job preservation mode?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
If you throw your players under the bus, if you
throw your staff under.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The bus, it doesn't you know next job?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the right way to put it.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I apologize, You're absolutely right, not for this job, but hey,
in the future I'm gonna be interviewing you. Don't want
to be the guy that just crushed all your players
and coaches after a bad loss. At the same time, though,
my question for you, if you actually listen to what
he just said, I actually feel like that makes it
much worse. Like I'd rather him just come up to
the podium and be like I sucked, my team sucked.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
We didn't do it. It's on me.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I blame myself blah blah blah blah blah, rather than saying, well,
you know, we were trying to do this and we
could have set up that and it's supposed to be
at under seven but no, no, it's actually under twelve.
It's like I would like if I'm a future employer
of Matt Eberflusen. To be clear, I don't think he'll
ever get another head coaching job if he does whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
No skin off my back, I don't really care.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But I just bring it up because that explanation to
me was actually much worse than him just going to
the podium and being like, I'll be honest, that was inexcusable.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
It starts with me.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I stunk. I thought we were prepared or not. I
blame myself.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You see me say, I got one hundred percent. I
see exactly what you're saying, clear as day, and I
absolutely agree with you. In fact, in the first cut,
because we've blended them together. In the first cut, he
says our hope is to take it around eighteen seconds,
so once the clock goes past eighteen, that's when you
hit the emergency brake. That's when you break glass in
(35:22):
case of emergency and use that last time out. And
the reason being is you then can use the entire field.
He said they needed to get more yards. He said
they needed to because again, for some reason, a team
in the NFL in this day and age is employing
a kicker that can't kick a fifty eight yard or
indoors doesn't. That makes zero sense to me. But it's
a new NFL. There are rocket legs everywhere you can
(35:45):
find one. They chose not to do that. So when
you don't call the timeout at eighteen seconds, that is
where he fails. So I agree with you that he's
telling on himself because you then call the time out
in that point because you know what you can do.
If you do get a completion, you could still run
up and spike it, you know, And that's if it's
a first down, because it's third down in that scenario,
(36:07):
if you could get it, or you could get out
of bounds, or if it's incomplete, you just bring it
out there. That's where I thought he kind of told
on himself. It was third and long in that scenario. Yeah,
I just why not just call the timeout at that point?
I don't know why you wouldn't have a kicker at
fifty eight yards if you threw If you threw a
six yard er out there, it would be difficult to
change the teams and you couldn't call the timeout and
(36:29):
get a kick off. But yeah, I just or at
six seconds, when it's at far or eight seconds, just
call it yourself and just decide, all right, we're just
gonna kick it here, because I have no idea on
what to do this. This is what Caleb Williams had
to say on why he threw the ball in what
was going through his mind in the final seconds.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
I don't have a microphone to speak to coach or
anything like that, so there was there wasn't like any
huge communication that situation. You get a call with that time,
you gotta you know, you gotta try and get the
guys back, get everybody lined up, so you go run
a play and you know, we got lined up, got
to play. And then you know, I made an adjustment
because I saw the clock running down, knowing that if
we couldplete a ball and you know, in bounds or
anything like that, we won't have time to kick a
(37:09):
field goal or anything like that. So you know, I
made an adjustment. New Rome was either going to be one
on one or he was gonna you know, beat the
safety and be one on one there, and you know,
tried to give him a shot. We got the shot
and miss.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
It's that thought process because if Roma Dunes catches that pass,
he's still two yards short of of getting in and
time expires and you have no way to run down
or do anything. So that's where that explanation does. The Also,
the communication cuts off at some point, so the coaches
can't speak to you, he says. Obviously he can't speak
(37:44):
to the coaches, but you never can speak to the coaches.
You never have, you know, a scenario like that. So
if there was communication trying to get to Caleb Williams
to spike the football, it was likely after the communication
was cut off in your helmet, so they were unable
to do so. But he didn't handle it great, you know,
as the quarterback, you kind of have to know in
that scenario. And he was mad that Eberflus took the
time out when the play clock was winding down earlier
(38:07):
because he felt he was going to get the you know,
the snap off in time and instead they used their
second time out. Well, this time it's on him. He
has to know that you can't throw that pass at
six seconds. Again, apparently they weren't in field goal range,
which I don't get Aaron, Yep, it just is doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It's you know, every profession has things where like you
just got to get the job done, you know. I mean,
you and I were on air all the time there's
breaking news that we might not have been prepared for.
Our bosses don't want to hear we weren't ready to
get the job done. And to me, one besides the
all systems failure from head coach to Caleb Williams to
(38:46):
et cetera, I think that's the part that's a little
bit underrated. Is to your point, don't tell me your
kickers down in field goal range. He's a professional. That's
what he's paid to do, that's what he's expected to do.
And so I could go on and on, but that's
another thing that stands out to mean. I think it's
something that you brought up a few times that I
think has otherwise gotten lost in the shuffle. Is that
that should be feeld goal range, or it should be
(39:06):
it should be at least a range where you're comfortable
letting your kicker attempt it. If he makes it, he makes,
If he misses, he misses. Guys missfield goals every week,
but it should be the range that you're comfortable enough
to give him an attempt. The fact that you're not
is just one more thing you can pile on this
specific this specific loss for the Bears.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
So they tried against the Packers, and they felt that
it was with the wind forty six yarder, But how
much how much more difficult does that kick than a
fifty eight yarder indoors in Detroit? Right? You know what
I mean? Like, I understand that the wind's gonna help you,
so maybe some of the yards are going to take off,
But again I said that you're a nine iron from
Lake Michigan in November. Okay, that's that's never a guarantee.
(39:48):
You know, the winds in it's the windy city, you know,
for goodness sake, Like that's it's not a given. The
forty six yarder I can't understand. But you can't kick
a fifty eight yarder like that's then why do you
have him as your kicker. That's almost a personnel decision
in that scenario, you know, to that point as well,
if they just would have let the clock run down,
(40:09):
and I would have had a much better appreciation if
they said it was third and twenty. We feel our
kicker had the leg. We didn't want to take another
sack there and throw it up, so we just were
going to run the clock down and attempt the fifty
eight yard or because of how we put ourselves in
the bad position with the penalty and with the sack,
that would have made much more sense. Also, would have
(40:32):
made much more sense to just call timeout immediately after
the sack and listen, this does happen to the best
of them. One of the biggest things to happen with
Super Bowl forty nine and Russell Wilson throwing the interception
at the one yard line is how Pete Carroll thought
Bill Belichick was going to call a timeout. Belichick never
called a timeout. The Seahawks only had one at that point.
(40:54):
And what was going through Pete Carroll's mind, how do
I get how do I get four shots at the
end zone. Well, the first time they ran it to
Marshawn Lynch. He brought it down to the one yard line,
but he's still thinking, I need three shots. I only
have one time out if I run it here. Because
the Patriots didn't call time out, there's not going to
be as much time left on the clock. We may
(41:16):
run out of time, so I better throw the ball
so I can keep my options open on third down
to run or throw the ball. Problem was, they never
got the third down because he threw the interception. So
like there's there's been miss there's been timing and guessing
and stuff like that at the highest and highest of levels.
Unfortunately for Matt Eberflus, his have just happened in consecutive
(41:36):
weeks for the last two months, so that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So what you're telling me is two jobs from now,
Matt Eberflus is going to nail a late round pick
end up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Hey, crazier things have happened.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Not Maddy Crazier.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That would be pretty crazy if we were hosting on
this thanks Giving twenty thirty one and Matt Eberflus as
the coach of the Arizona Cardinals and they're going to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Would it would be our fifty four friends giving here
on Fox Sports Radio. I think we have another guest
stopping buying a little bit, so we're gonna take a
time out for that. Do you want to tell you?
The Cowboys are up on the Giants thirteen to ten,
a minute twelve left to go until halftime in that
contest Gonzaga earlier today, big win against Indiana. Tough one
for the the Hoosiers. Maybe not as tough as life
(42:21):
is with Yukon. But that's all we gonna say.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Eric Torres, well, I mean they well listen, well, you
guys got a good football program too, right now. But
I was gonna say, at least Indiana's like, yeah, we're
a football school now, who cares?
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But yeah, you know, we don't have to do the
We've already done the Matt Eberflus hot seat rankings. We
don't have to do the Mike Woodson hot seat rankings.
But I think Indiana basketball is going to be having
a new coach.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
All right. I do want to pay it off. You
got to hear what it sounded like on ninety seven
point won the ticket and the Lions Radio network when
the Lions close things out with the Bears on this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Williams with seven Williams with six takes the snap. This
could be the final play of the game. Throws it
deep down field. It is a game out in complete.
Speaker 9 (43:02):
That's it. That's it, that's it. What in the world
with the Parson game is over? You talk about the
world of.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
Proc This managame is over.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
That's it. Good there there, it is the final call
a Lions winners of ten and all eleven and one,
Bears four and eight. He's eron Torres. I'm Dan Beyer.
Another special guest will stop by. Plus, you wouldn't believe
what one of our special guests had to say about
the last seconds that went down in Detroit as he
(43:41):
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It's the Torres Friendsgiving, non Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Bernie Frado's gonna stop by. He told me so, It's
gonna do so in twenty minutes we'll find out where
this Lions Bears ending ranks in the history of Thanksgiving
stories that have happened featuring the Lions in Motown, and
Bernie's taken in a fair share. We'll get his thoughts,
plus a good travel down memory Lane. That and so
much more on this Thanksgiving Day, friends, stopping by If
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you missed it earlier, Aaron and I were in for
the Doug Gottlieb Show, So this is for us. We've
been here two plus hours and in that time, Chris Gordy,
our buddy from Houston Sports Talk seven to ninety and
Lockdown sec joined us. Then Tim Patrick, Yes, that Tim Patrick,
the wide receiver of the Detroit Lions. Wait to you
hear what he had to say about how the Bears
handled these late second scenarios. We'll get that coming up
(01:49):
in the show. And then Torres's Saturday Night cohort Jason Martin,
who's got to be back here probably in about twelve
hours from now or something like that. I'm not exactly
but ballpark looking at twelve to fifteen hours from now.
I's got to be back here on Fox Sports Radio
as he and Brian no are teaming up. But you
and j Mart every Saturday night, eleven eastern, eight Pacific
get together and talk college football. And we did that
(02:10):
with Jamart earlier. So it's been fun.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We appreciate you, well, we appreciate everybody joining us here
on our friends Giving celebration. But yeah, J Mart and
I will have plenty to talk about it. It's a
really fun shift. I know you and Carrie Rhodes crush
it on the Sunday Red Zone Radio. I don't know
that we have quite the same vibe, quite the fast
paced action on the eleven PM Eastern show, but we
are always coming off something really good. Last week it
(02:36):
was Alabama off the upset of a day filled with upsets,
but Alabama was the one that happened right in our window.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And obviously this week we're coming in off the big one. Texas,
Texas A and M.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I saw stat, Dan, I know we got to get
back to the NFL, but I saw a stat from
Tick Pic that Texas, Texas A and M on their
website is the most expensive regular season ticket they have
ever sold NFL or college. I think, as Chris Gordy said,
it's approaching like eight hundred dollars get in price crazy.
(03:09):
So we're gonna, you know, because it's not only a
rivalry where they truly hate each other. They haven't played
in thirteen years, but there's now a playoff. There's a
trip to the SEC Championship on the line, and there's
a playoff Berth on the line. And so we're excited
about that, but obviously excited to spend the next two
hours Cavino and Rich with you with the gang, obviously
talking about a lot of football.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I think the idea of Thanksgiving and Friendsgiving is to
not complain. Yet we all have families and know that
in fact, it's the time where people mostly complain on holidays.
That's what you get, so what you get when you
get family together. We try to keep it positive here. However,
I am going to bring up a complaint that I
heard that I just never never really jumped on board with,
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and it was the flat that Big Newon Kickoff had
been getting over the last couple of weeks because of
the games that they've been putting in the new Eastern
nine Pacific window, specifically involving Ohio date in a lot
of those games. That's what I love. I love having
the if if you're not Aaron Torres or Jason Martin
and you're watching six games at one time. It's great
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to go from one to the other to the other.
I would hate to have Michigan Ohio State be up
against Texas and Texas A and M. I am a
fan of the spreadouts. I am good with it. I
know people have a problem. You want night games and atmosphere. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
not everybody gets to go to night games. Much bigger
picture here, I am all for it, and I think
that that is tomorrow Saturday is a perfect example of it.
(04:32):
If you're a college football fan, you can just go
from this great game to that great game to that
great game, and I have an enjoyable Saturday. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's a discourse that, obviously, because of my Fox affiliation,
I've kind of just sat out of because if I one,
if I don't defend Fox, it doesn't look very good.
But if I do defend Fox, oh, you're just defending
your company.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
One.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I agree with you on just the layout of the game.
And I remember, I think it was year one or
year two when they first implemented I was still on
Saturday Nights with Arnie Spanier and I brought up this point.
It's like twelve Eastern used to be kind of this graveyard,
you know, it used to be the joke, right, It
would be the Wisconsin Iowa game, the Iowa Minnesota game,
(05:12):
and every game would be you know, six, three or
ten seven, and it was just it was unwatchable. And
so to get those big games, it spreads it out.
You can focus on those big games. But the thing
that has ended up happening, which is unfortunate and it's
not Fox's fault, is that I think where the discourse
really took off was just that it was like seven
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or eight weeks in a row, Ohio State ended up
in a New Eastern game, and those weren't all Fox games,
and so that was the part that you know, I
wanted to speak up, but I felt like I'd just
be defending my company. But it's like, listen, what Big
ten network chooses to do, or what you know other
networks choose to do, is out of Fox's control. Their
(05:56):
job is to just basically, look, we're gonna put our
best game of the week in that Neon Eastern window
and surprise, surprise, a lot of times, the number two
team of the country is going to end up playing
in that window. By the way, previous years, it's been
a lot of Michigan games, it's been a lot of
other teams. You know, we had Colorado playing ten ten
am local time twelve eastern start times.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So I just bring it up.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Because I think it became a thing because Ohio State
ended up playing seven eight noon games in a row,
but those weren't all big noon games.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And to your point, Dan, for those.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Of us who do love college football, for those of
us who are able to sacrifice the entire day or
enjoy the entire day, it gives us another big game
and another big window where we don't have to jump
between two or three screens trying to watch all the
big games.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Isn't it funny because it felt that at one point
that three thirty eastern was the big time, Like there
was a day and age in college football where you're
playing the three thirty eastern time game, Like wow, that
was huge, Like that was the twenties some years ago.
Because of the TV contracts and then the Big ten,
like Jackson is going to be doing the game, you
know that you have at three point thirty eastern time,
(07:04):
like that was the standard, then it moved to the
primetime games, and then now you've got it all over
the map. But I actually love it, and I hope
that it doesn't change. In fact, I think that the
NFL is too much when you look at a chief schedule,
night game after night game after night game. Like last
week there in Carolina, I was like the first time
in forever they had played like a one o'clock Eastern
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time start. Because all of the games growing up in Wisconsin,
the Packers always just played at noon Central time zone.
They weren't that good. I wouldn't doubt if the Packers
had less than five noon games on their schedule this year.
You just went up and down because of all the
different windows. They're a marquee team, They're a draw. I'm
all for it. I'm all for the afternoon football.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And like I said, is you know, listen, I understand,
first of all, I do understand.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Hey, one, there's just a lot of people that go
to games.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But two, there's a lot of people that because of
family commitments, because maybe you're more of a Sunday guy
or girl, you just can't sit there for twelve hours
a day. But I'd counter it by saying, you know, listen,
the one thing I've learned about college football fans, and
it is very obvious in this twelve team playoff here
they're going to complain about everything. But what I would
also say is, if let's just use this weekend as
(08:15):
the hypothetical. If that big noon game was instead Michigan
Ohio State on at seven thirty, that'd be great for
Michigan Ohio State fans, But then college football fans would
be complaining, well, what about Texas, Texas A and m
how come all the good games are at the same time,
and so you can't keep everybody happy. And I just
think it's it's as a fan of the sport that
(08:36):
is able to spend most of Saturday on the couch.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I like the spread out of the games.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
They may be old fashioned, maybe setting their ways, but
I remember in two thousand and six when it was
undefeated at Ohio State against undefeated Michigan, and the game
was moved off of the traditional noon Eastern time kick
and they had it as the three thirty Eastern time
And that's kind of the time that I was talking
about as well. Of like, when you look at that
time I'm of era in college football, three thirty Eastern
(09:02):
was a big deal and the game started in the
daytime ended at night because it's one versus two game
of the century. But even the traditional lists were like,
why are you moving off of Neon Eastern? And they've
had it at New Eastern, I believe ever since.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So well, And I was going to say too, that's
the other thing, especially Michigan Ohio State. Again, I understand
the discourse, but with Michigan Ohio State again, that's a
great tradition. We're talking to open the Gottlieb Show that
for a long time there was a conversation, Hey, you
can't but get the lines off Thanksgiving Day. It's the
worst thing. And I'm so tired of watching this lousy team.
And it's like, it's okay to just keep some traditions,
(09:38):
like we don't have to ruin every tradition for TV
and for money and for this and that. And so
I know we're talking about the bigger picture of Big Noon,
but that Michigan Ohio State, you know, high noon obviously
on the Saturday after Thanksgiving is one of the great
traditions in sports. And I'll say this is that would
be one that did feel weird if it was a
seven thirty eastern or three in a three thirty eastern kickoff.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Here's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Byer. I do want to
say something in regard to the Lions Bears game. I
actually and Caleb Williams was at faults for this. I
missed something in thinking about the big picture with the
Chicago Bears. The Chicago Bears question in the off season
(10:21):
because we knew Mattieberfluss was going to return and they
brought in Shane Waldron's what do you do with the
first overall pick? Do you take KYLEB. Williams? Do you
trade the pick? What do you do with justin fields?
How do you handle this sort of sort of scenario?
And in my reasoning, Aaron, as I looked at everything,
I said, okay, you make this decision. You make that decision.
(10:43):
And my decision was you take Caleb Williams at number one.
I wasn't sure if the Bears were going to do it.
Thought maybe they'd try to trade with Washington was one
of my theories. But ultimately they're gonna take Caleb Williams.
And when we were talking about that, scenario I said,
makes perfect sense. I'm on board with it. And one
of the reasons why I like it is because when
you draft Kleb Williams, if Matt Eberflus doesn't work out,
(11:07):
you have got the marquee job in the NFL open
for practically anybody that you'd want to hire. Sure, and
I think some of that is true, but I'm not
sure if all of it is true. I think that
this year and how things have played out, maybe some
of it is to Caleb Williams' fault. But I don't
think that it is as rosy of a job as
(11:28):
I thought it was, say nine months ago, with Caleb
Williams as your quarterback, because there have been struggles this year.
We saw in this late game situation. You can maybe
just pin it on coach and quarterback just aren't on
the same page. But I don't know if it's as
rosy as I thought it was going to be. I
still think it's an amazingly good job. And if you
(11:49):
were an offensive coordinator and you're looking at the vacancies,
it's going to be difficult to pass one up where
Kleb Williams is your quarterback. But there has been some
collateral damage by letting Matt Eberflus coach this season, and
I think it's going to trickle on into the offseason.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, it's a great conversation and it goes back to listen,
I totally see your point. So this is not me
like criticizing the point of it. It's his desirable job.
And you get to see Ebra flues one more time
and they actually played pretty well down the stretch, all
that good stuff. My whole thing was multiple things to
all the stuff that we're talking about now, defensive head coach.
But then it's not only that you waste a year
(12:26):
of Caleb, it's that it's this is.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Actually the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It's that you've not only wasted a year of Caleb
on the rookie contract whatever. But two, there is a regression.
And what did we talk about Dan and how Matt
Eberflus handled the final two minutes is that he looked timid,
that he lacked confidence, and that he's starting to second
guess and question everything he's doing. My worry is does
(12:52):
that become Caleb Williams. I mean, this kid, we all
watched him at US. He played so much on instinct
so much on confidence, a guy that just listen. If anything,
the concern with Caleb Williams was that he believed in
his confidence. He believed in himself too much, that he
was too confident, and so you look at him losing
(13:12):
that confidence, and I do worry that not only has
the growth been stunted, but is there some type of
long term effect of that, not just the hits that
he's taken, the proverbial and figurative hits, but also just
the mental wear and tear of What made this guy
so special was that he ultimately believed in himself. He
ultimately believed that he could, you know, lead any comeback,
(13:35):
he could make any throw, he could do whatever. And
now he's playing like a timid quarterback. And that is
obviously a big concern for whatever the future of this
franchise is.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
That's the toughest balance that I think the Bears are
gonna have to figure out is how much power do
you give Caleb Williams? But and how much do you
empower Caleb Williams with not having him take over everything
because you can't. You can't have a yes man to
your quarterback that you bring in. So it's the relationship
is going to have to be forged, but you're gonna
(14:04):
need better play from him, So he's gonna have to
want to be coached. And so that's the balance of
how do you find the right mix. And I'll tell
you what, Tua and and Mike McDaniel, it's probably the
best relationship that we've seen of something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Holmes and Reid right would have to be the best.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Sure, but I would say that I would in the
case of looking at someone bringing in somebody new OCAs
Andy Reid was already there, but bringing in somebody new
and making it work for both parties. It's very You
may have your gripes about Tua, but he is a
better quarterback with Mike McDaniel as his head coach. Like
there's there's no doubt about that. And I and I
(14:44):
think that's what you're gonna kind of have to need
in Chicago. You're gonna have to figure out a way
how do we maximize Caleb Williams but also not let
him run the entire shop, you know what I mean? Like,
there's there's gonna have to be a balance because he
can't be completely unhappy. He's the star cou quarterback. He's
got to he's got to have some say in all
of this. And whoever you bring in, it's going to
(15:04):
have to play to his strength. It's gonna have to
do everything that you need to do. But you can't
let him take over the franchise zeroed out.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And and it's a fine line, by the way, I think.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So you and I were on air either the day
Shane Waldron got fired or the day after Shane Waldron
got fired.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We were filling in for Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And I only bring it up because I remember talking
to you about the inevitable, you know, move that's going
to be made. Do we have any confidence that the
Bears are actually gonna get it right? And and part
of it, and I think John Middlecoff brought this up.
I remember him talking about it is the weird power
struggle in the Bears organization where Kevin Warren's the team president,
but Ryan Poles is the GM and what does the
(15:41):
team president even do? But Kevin Warren seems to be
the one that has the ear of the owner and
who's really making the decisions. But that's the part that's
that's sad to me, and that's the part that even
it goes back to the pre draft process when Caleb Williams,
you know, there were rumors and reports that he didn't
want to go to Chicago if they up with the
number one pick, which they obviously did. That's to me
(16:04):
the disappointing part is there are situations where you know
something doesn't work and it becomes obvious a change needs
to be made, and you know that the right people
are making the decision, and whether it works or not,
they're going to do the best to put the team
and the players in the best position. I'm just not
sure that that's actually going to happen when it comes
(16:25):
to the Chicago Bears. I mean, do you feel the
same way that there seems to be a reasonable chance
that they're going to screw up this higher even if they.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Move, even when they move off Eberflus this year, it's.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Much more of a possibility than it was a year ago.
And a long time ago, someone told me that when
they're smoked, there's usually a forest fire. So these concerns
about Kevin Warren, these concerns about Ryan Poles, I think
that there's more to it. I don't know if hard
knock always tells the story. I don't think it's shed
them in a great light and Kevin Warren in a
great light, but I think that there's something to that,
(16:57):
and I think now you have more of a reason
to question it than you did a year ago. I
know it's not the full answer and the full backup,
but I do think that there's a reason to question
that it's not the necessary automatic home run, and that
may lead into the hire. May not be the exact
higher and the Bears in the way that they pay,
and or maybe lack thereof of coaches could be another
(17:18):
reason why this could be destined to fail well.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And that's again, is we hope that they get it. Listen,
I just and I said this last year when Brandon
Staley got fired with the Chargers, I said, look, we
all see the talent from Justin Herbert. I just hope
because the Chargers again were historically an organization that did
not make the right decision, that did not take the
big swing, that did not spend on coaches. And I
(17:45):
remember saying, like we all think, Justin Herbert is this guy.
I just want to see him put in position where
if he is on par with Mahomes and Josh Allen
that he is put in position to show whether he's
actually capable of that or not. And I just hope
the same thing is true for Caleb Williams. Is I
don't know who the name is. Is it Ben Johnson,
is it somebody else? Whatever, that doesn't matter. I just
(18:07):
hope they don't screw it up and we never get
to see the best version of Caleb Williams. By the way,
maybe the best version of Caleb Williams isn't better than
jayde and Daniels or bow Nicks and he ends up
being the fourth best quarterback in this draft class anyway,
But you just want to see what it looks like
when he is put in a position to succeed. I
think Ryan Poles obviously did a good job of surrounding
him with plenty of actual on the field talent, but
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it also goes without saying the coaching needs to be
a lot better going forward.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
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coming over from Thanksgiving, so now only tell us what's
up now, but also a little trip down memory lane
when it comes to Thanksgiving in Motown. That's next here
on Fox.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
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Speaker 4 (19:31):
Ah Yes, it is sitting in for Cavino and Rich
So glad to have you with us. Big thanks to
Bernie Fratto who stopped by. Tim Patrick of the Lions
came by as well. Chris Gordy locked out SEC and
Sports Talk seven ninety or FSR affiliate in Houston, came
(19:52):
by to talk some SEC and so much more. Jason Martin,
Aaron Torres's tag team partner, Saturday night, eleven o'clock Eastern time,
and there's more to come on this Friends Giving. Iowa
Sam's been here the whole time, producer says, hanging out
as well, Iowa Sam. It was only on a line
when Aaron took that shot at Iowa when he mentioned
(20:13):
normally we would get Iowa Wisconsin and that noon Eastern
time wind I was like, why am I catching straight?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
And then you use another Hiow example or Iowa Minnesota,
like these games that don't matter, these graveyard games.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, and it's funny because I actually thought, earlier in
the show we were doing favorite Thanksgiving traditions, I assumed
Iowa Sam was going with the Iowa Black Friday game,
which has become a little bit of a tradition last
couple year.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
It is, it is, definitely, but I think, I mean,
I think of the day of Thanksgiving and then I
think of like Black Friday as two different things. You
could say the whole Thanksgiving weekend. But you know, they've
only been playing this Heroes game, I think since twenty eleven,
so it's not that old. But we are a decade
and a half into it now, so you also have
an expanded schedule.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Where Ohio State Michigan used to be the week before
Thanksgiving the season was over. It was always leading into
the Thanksgiving week, and now it comes the week after,
so it's a little difference. As well as as an
Ohio State fan, I do want to dive into that
Ohio State Michigan stuff in a sec. But since we
brought it up, I've always felt and it's no longer
apropos because they don't have a TV deal with ESPN anymore.
(21:20):
But the most ESPN two game you could get at
noon Eastern to me was Minnesota Michigan State. Like I
think each conference has just an ESPN two game at
that time in that window, And to me, the big
Tens is Michigan State and Minnesota, and they're both four
and four.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They're like they're fighting for something, but yes, they're kind
of out of it already.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's like a that's like a good spot for a
Louisville Wake Forest game.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You're like, oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Forgot then I was gonna say something like pitt In
Wake Forest or Virginia Wake Forest. Right now, that's on
ESPN two. That would feel like a noon Eastern time.
I think you could do these with all of your
conferences if you wanted to. Yeah, yeah, Big twelve would a.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Bracket segment, you know, you could have like You're Yes,
You're You're Wake Forests and your yeah You're Louisville.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
You can't be good, but you can't be bad, like
you can't be good enough for that game. I would
say this, uh, Cincinnati West Virginia. That seemed like a
good ESPN two game at noon Eastern time in Morgantown.
Maybe with Beth Mowens on the call. Maybe, yeah, that
(22:37):
could be the case. Sure, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I would say the SEC version is pretty much anyone
that's not Alabama playing Mississippi States.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Like Arkansas. I was thinking Arkansas in that spot that works,
but I'm good with Mississippi State. Or it's let's check
out the Kentucky game, whereas ESPN two that's where you
can find it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I think with Kentucky Vandy they're playing again.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
It felt like I just played last week. It's true
you could do it with all conferences except the PAC
twelve because number one, they weren't up early enough and
me at well long game last week exists. Yes, well
we're in state, take on to win.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Remember, by the way, I was thinking about this not
that long ago, the COVID year when the pack well,
first of all, they came back super late, but their
answer to get more viewers was playing a nine am
local start time game. And it's like, hey, how about
you just have good teams and then you don't have
to worry about getting viewers. So what are we doing
playing a nine am local game in LA?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
That really happened Arizona State USC.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I do remember that, and I think, gosh, Boise is
up early. They've got their game. Is it? Is it
tomorrow or Saturday? They've got an early start as well
because Colorado had the Utah game was at a ten
o'clock local time start Boise Oregon State tomorrow on Fox
nine o'clock local time for us on the West coast,
(24:00):
So a noon eastern nine kick. So uh yeah, Poisse
getting these.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Colorado a noon eastern ten am central kick.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, Oklahoma State, Yeah, you're right, another another ten am kick.
There's nothing I used to I used to have to
do the Wisconsin pregame shows like a tailgate prior to
Badger games. When I when I worked in Madison and
we'd be setting up. There'd be some eleven o'clock local
time kicks, but you're there at like six thirty am
setting up for your two hour broadcast. There was nothing
like a hamburger and pepsi at seven fifteen in the morning.
(24:33):
That was it was there was. There was this unique
taste Aaron Torres that I could I could still taste
it to this day and it's been about twenty years
since I had it. But at seven fifteen there was, yeah,
quite the taste in your mouth from uh, from that tailgate.
I didn't want to talk Ohio State Michigan and what
could happen if Ohio State loses and Ryan Day's not
(24:53):
going to be fired. Uh unless they then would lose
the next game, that would be the only that would
be the only way that Ryan Day would be gone.
So we can end that conversation there.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
He is erin Torres. I'm dan Byer. It is our
friends giving Cowboys lead the Giants thirteen to seven with
six minutes left, and you won't believe what Matt Eberflus
had to say about his bears lost to the Lions.
That's next.
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Speaker 4 (25:27):
Oh we couldn't do it ourselves on this Thanksgiving, no way.
Iowa Sam has been hanging out on our special episode.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Of It's the Buyer and Torres Friendsgiving on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Iowa Sam the first to arrive. Right after him producer
Shay Shay showing up. Shae, you enjoying the festivity so
far on the show, I'm full.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
He is full feeling Shay. He said he were out
a little late last night.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
You know, I got my food in me, my sports,
I got everything I need.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I'm ready to go and I'm happy. It's great to
have you here. Big thanks to all of our guests
who've been able to show up and have a good time.
Let's keep it rocking here more friends stopping by our
Friends Giving episode. Tim Patrick of the Lions came in.
He heard about the great time we were having. In fact,
you're going to hear from him in just a little
bit because you won't believe what he had to say
(26:18):
on how the Lions and Bears game finished today. Still
can't get over this is. You know, we had Bernie
Franto on about thirty minutes ago, Aaron and Bernie was
telling us all about the history of the Thanksgiving Day
game in Detroit, and I've never forgotten the missed coin
flip call and overtime between the Steelers and Lions. This
(26:38):
is going to be one of those that we remember
just for the pure botching of how the game ended.
Maybe not as crazy as the ref thinking the player
said one thing instead of the other, but still for
the Bears to have one time out. They got down
to the twenty five yard line, heck, got within the twenty,
but a penalty ended up pushing him back to leave
with a timeout in your pocket. When you hear how
(26:59):
the Bears explain, you're going to even be more confused
at how it went down today in Detroit's crazy happenings.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, I mean it was even hard the first few
times we were trying to explain it to the audience
live that might be in a car or whatever, because
it's just it was one of those things that was
so inexcusable. You know, I don't want to put words
in the mouth of an NFL player, but I think
even Tim Patrick, who was on the other sideline, seemed
pretty shocked at the late game execution from the Bears.
(27:25):
So you know, listen, the Lions win again. The Bears, though,
were right, they were in position. I mean, whether it
was was to kick a field goal, whether it was
to get off a couple plays. Obviously, Matt Eberflus will
get to some of his sound, but he claims that
there was another play to be run to try to
set up a closer field goal. Whatever it is, you
can't deny that the that the Chicago Bears had their chance,
(27:48):
and you also can't can't deny what a debacle it
was down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
It was funny because we were on the air as
the game was winding down. We were in for Doug
Gottlieb on The Doug Gottlieb Show, now in for Kavina
Rich and our commercial break that we have at the
top of the hour was right as the Bears had
a fourth and fourteen and they got to what I
feel was a break. I did not think it was
a pass interference call against the Lions. I think it
(28:14):
was a bad call, but it set the Bears up
in lines territory first and ten at the Detroit twenty
five yard line with forty six seconds left. And I
know I did this earlier, but for those that watched it,
you'll know what I'm talking about. And for those that
missed it or didn't see it, you need to know
how the sequence of events came out at this point,
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First and ten at the Detroit twenty five yard line,
forty six seconds left, and the Bears, who are down
by three, have two timeouts in a twenty three to
twenty game. So you're sitting there saying, there's forty six
seconds left, we have two timeouts to heck with a
field goal, Let's try to score a touchdown. We could
score a touchdown here. Worst case scenario is a field
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goal attempt, especially after you had your scenario a couple
of weeks back against the Packers when you settled for
your forty six yard field goal. Different circumstances. But the
Bears drive started at their own one yard line and
they had made it all the way down to the
twenty five. This is what happened. Incomplete pass to DJ
Moore only took three seconds off the clock. Second down
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and ten at the Detroit twenty five. Well, guess what.
The Bears messed it up, ran the play clock down
and ended up having to call a timeout. They had
two of them. Not the worst thing in the world,
saved five yards whatever, but they used that timeout. So
now they're down to one. Then on their second down
and ten when play from the twenty five, when they
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actually ate were able to run it, Caleb Williams said,
Keenan Allen for twelve yards down to the thirteen yard line,
but that was negated by a penalty illegal use of
the hands backs them up ten. So it's second down
and twenty now at the Detroit thirty five yard line,
thirty six seconds left. If you wanted to, you could
kick a fifty two yard field goal. Bring it out.
Why not. It's indoors, it's in fort field. We talked
(30:00):
about the long field goals that have happened there previously.
You could do it, but that wouldn't make any sense.
You want to get a little bit closer, considering what
happened against Green Bay. So Caleb Williams ends up getting sacked,
worst case scenario. But that's also why you have a
time out in your pocket or so we thought the
clock ticked, it ticked, it ticked. Finally, Caleb Williams, with
six seconds left, thirty seconds between snaps, ends up finally
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taking a snap and instead of throwing a quick out
for a field goal attempt or to get five yards,
he chucks it downfield and it's incomplete to Roma Dunze,
and the game just ends. It just ends. I want
to start out. That's a pretty good summary, Aaron, pretty thorough.
I would say, I'm not patting myself on the back,
but that's essentially how it went down today in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It was a phenomenal description, and I think what would
even describe it better of how chaotic it was was
to listen to both radio calls of how it went down.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
All right, let's do that. Let's do that. We have
these Chicago Bears radio network call in this final play
for Chicago.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Fifteen seconds, third and twenty six. Caleb's got to make
a play here with eleven seconds to go in the game,
awaiting the snap, gotta hurry it up seven to six.
Takes the snap, Caleb Williams from the pocket, sings it
down the field, twisting turning inside the five as time
expires for Roma DUNESA, that's it, no flags and the
(31:26):
ballgame is over. Everybody's standing around and stunned, dis belief
on both sides.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Nobody's celebrating. But the game is over.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Something happened down the stretch here. It did not make sense.
Third and twenty six. That ball goes incomplete and the
Lions survived. Hey hillatious comeback by the Bears from sixteen down.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
The game is over. The game, the game was over.
I can understand the Bears despair. Didn't mean to rhyme there,
but I can understand the Bears despair.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I mean you could.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You could hear just the the deflation in their voices
of watching it in real time, clock ticking down, you
have the time out, you know what has.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
To be done. It isn't getting done.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And like I said, do you just hear it in
the voices of those two gentlemen making on the call.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
You're going to hear the Lions final call at the
end of all this, because I think it just works
better that way, because we're now in the despair era.
If this was the Taylor Swift era, that's where the
Bears were after this game. Wait till you hear what
Matt Eberflus had to say after the game and explaining
on how they ran their second and twenty and then
handle their third and third and twenty six play after
(32:39):
the Caleb Williams sack that basically ended the game. This
was the Bears head coach.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Then we're there at second and twenty, you know, take
the sack right there, you know. So we're at thirty
six seconds right there, And our hope was because it
was third going into fourth, that we would we wreck
that play at eighteen seconds, throw it in, bounce, get
into the filgal range, and then call the time out.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
And that's where it was.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
And that was our decision making process on that. Again,
we were outside the field goal range, you know, so
we needed to get a few more yards in there
as close as we can get, and then we're gonna
call time out. And that's why we held that last
time out at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I like what we did there.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Again, once it's under seven, you.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
Know, you're gonna you're gonna call uh, you know, time
out there or actually under twelve, and then really you
don't have an option.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
You know, because it's third and the fourth.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
You got to throw it into the end zone then,
so to me, it's uh, I think we handled it
the right way and I do believe that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Just rerack the play, get it in bounce and call
time out, and that's why we held it and didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Work out the way we wanted it to. Okay, so
those cuts we're backing back. Go ahead, Aaron twit can.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I can I ask you a question since and one
of the previous shows, I forget if it was the
hour one of Covino and Rich or if it is
Gottlieb you said and I think it made sense.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Is that Matty.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Eberflus saying what he says for job preservation mode?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
If you throw your players under the bus, if you
throw your staff under.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The bus, it doesn't you know next job?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the right way to put it.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I apologize, You're absolutely right, not for this job, but hey,
in the future I'm gonna be interviewing you. Don't want
to be the guy that just crushed all your players
and coaches after a bad loss. At the same time, though,
my question for you, if you actually listen to what
he just said, I actually feel like that makes it
much worse. Like I'd rather him just come up to
the podium and be like I sucked, my team sucked.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
We didn't do it. It's on me.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I blame myself blah blah blah blah blah, rather than saying, well,
you know, we were trying to do this and we
could have set up that and it's supposed to be
at under seven but no, no, it's actually under twelve.
It's like I would like if I'm a future employer
of Matt Eberflusen. To be clear, I don't think he'll
ever get another head coaching job if he does whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
No skin off my back, I don't really care.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But I just bring it up because that explanation to
me was actually much worse than him just going to
the podium and being like, I'll be honest, that was inexcusable.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
It starts with me.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I stunk. I thought we were prepared or not. I
blame myself.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You see me say, I got one hundred percent. I
see exactly what you're saying, clear as day, and I
absolutely agree with you. In fact, in the first cut,
because we've blended them together. In the first cut, he
says our hope is to take it around eighteen seconds,
so once the clock goes past eighteen, that's when you
hit the emergency brake. That's when you break glass in
(35:22):
case of emergency and use that last time out. And
the reason being is you then can use the entire field.
He said they needed to get more yards. He said
they needed to because again, for some reason, a team
in the NFL in this day and age is employing
a kicker that can't kick a fifty eight yard or
indoors doesn't. That makes zero sense to me. But it's
a new NFL. There are rocket legs everywhere you can
(35:45):
find one. They chose not to do that. So when
you don't call the timeout at eighteen seconds, that is
where he fails. So I agree with you that he's
telling on himself because you then call the time out
in that point because you know what you can do.
If you do get a completion, you could still run
up and spike it, you know, And that's if it's
a first down, because it's third down in that scenario,
(36:07):
if you could get it, or you could get out
of bounds, or if it's incomplete, you just bring it
out there. That's where I thought he kind of told
on himself. It was third and long in that scenario. Yeah,
I just why not just call the timeout at that point?
I don't know why you wouldn't have a kicker at
fifty eight yards if you threw If you threw a
six yard er out there, it would be difficult to
change the teams and you couldn't call the timeout and
(36:29):
get a kick off. But yeah, I just or at
six seconds, when it's at far or eight seconds, just
call it yourself and just decide, all right, we're just
gonna kick it here, because I have no idea on
what to do this. This is what Caleb Williams had
to say on why he threw the ball in what
was going through his mind in the final seconds.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
I don't have a microphone to speak to coach or
anything like that, so there was there wasn't like any
huge communication that situation. You get a call with that time,
you gotta you know, you gotta try and get the
guys back, get everybody lined up, so you go run
a play and you know, we got lined up, got
to play. And then you know, I made an adjustment
because I saw the clock running down, knowing that if
we couldplete a ball and you know, in bounds or
anything like that, we won't have time to kick a
(37:09):
field goal or anything like that. So you know, I
made an adjustment. New Rome was either going to be one
on one or he was gonna you know, beat the
safety and be one on one there, and you know,
tried to give him a shot. We got the shot
and miss.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
It's that thought process because if Roma Dunes catches that pass,
he's still two yards short of of getting in and
time expires and you have no way to run down
or do anything. So that's where that explanation does. The Also,
the communication cuts off at some point, so the coaches
can't speak to you, he says. Obviously he can't speak
(37:44):
to the coaches, but you never can speak to the coaches.
You never have, you know, a scenario like that. So
if there was communication trying to get to Caleb Williams
to spike the football, it was likely after the communication
was cut off in your helmet, so they were unable
to do so. But he didn't handle it great, you know,
as the quarterback, you kind of have to know in
that scenario. And he was mad that Eberflus took the
time out when the play clock was winding down earlier
(38:07):
because he felt he was going to get the you know,
the snap off in time and instead they used their
second time out. Well, this time it's on him. He
has to know that you can't throw that pass at
six seconds. Again, apparently they weren't in field goal range,
which I don't get Aaron, Yep, it just is doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It's you know, every profession has things where like you
just got to get the job done, you know. I mean,
you and I were on air all the time there's
breaking news that we might not have been prepared for.
Our bosses don't want to hear we weren't ready to
get the job done. And to me, one besides the
all systems failure from head coach to Caleb Williams to
(38:46):
et cetera, I think that's the part that's a little
bit underrated. Is to your point, don't tell me your
kickers down in field goal range. He's a professional. That's
what he's paid to do, that's what he's expected to do.
And so I could go on and on, but that's
another thing that stands out to mean. I think it's
something that you brought up a few times that I
think has otherwise gotten lost in the shuffle. Is that
that should be feeld goal range, or it should be
(39:06):
it should be at least a range where you're comfortable
letting your kicker attempt it. If he makes it, he makes,
If he misses, he misses. Guys missfield goals every week,
but it should be the range that you're comfortable enough
to give him an attempt. The fact that you're not
is just one more thing you can pile on this
specific this specific loss for the Bears.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
So they tried against the Packers, and they felt that
it was with the wind forty six yarder, But how
much how much more difficult does that kick than a
fifty eight yarder indoors in Detroit? Right? You know what
I mean? Like, I understand that the wind's gonna help you,
so maybe some of the yards are going to take off,
But again I said that you're a nine iron from
Lake Michigan in November. Okay, that's that's never a guarantee.
(39:48):
You know, the winds in it's the windy city, you know,
for goodness sake, Like that's it's not a given. The
forty six yarder I can't understand. But you can't kick
a fifty eight yarder like that's then why do you
have him as your kicker. That's almost a personnel decision
in that scenario, you know, to that point as well,
if they just would have let the clock run down,
(40:09):
and I would have had a much better appreciation if
they said it was third and twenty. We feel our
kicker had the leg. We didn't want to take another
sack there and throw it up, so we just were
going to run the clock down and attempt the fifty
eight yard or because of how we put ourselves in
the bad position with the penalty and with the sack,
that would have made much more sense. Also, would have
(40:32):
made much more sense to just call timeout immediately after
the sack and listen, this does happen to the best
of them. One of the biggest things to happen with
Super Bowl forty nine and Russell Wilson throwing the interception
at the one yard line is how Pete Carroll thought
Bill Belichick was going to call a timeout. Belichick never
called a timeout. The Seahawks only had one at that point.
(40:54):
And what was going through Pete Carroll's mind, how do
I get how do I get four shots at the
end zone. Well, the first time they ran it to
Marshawn Lynch. He brought it down to the one yard line,
but he's still thinking, I need three shots. I only
have one time out if I run it here. Because
the Patriots didn't call time out, there's not going to
be as much time left on the clock. We may
(41:16):
run out of time, so I better throw the ball
so I can keep my options open on third down
to run or throw the ball. Problem was, they never
got the third down because he threw the interception. So
like there's there's been miss there's been timing and guessing
and stuff like that at the highest and highest of levels.
Unfortunately for Matt Eberflus, his have just happened in consecutive
(41:36):
weeks for the last two months, so that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So what you're telling me is two jobs from now,
Matt Eberflus is going to nail a late round pick
end up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Hey, crazier things have happened.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Not Maddy Crazier.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That would be pretty crazy if we were hosting on
this thanks Giving twenty thirty one and Matt Eberflus as
the coach of the Arizona Cardinals and they're going to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Would it would be our fifty four friends giving here
on Fox Sports Radio. I think we have another guest
stopping buying a little bit, so we're gonna take a
time out for that. Do you want to tell you?
The Cowboys are up on the Giants thirteen to ten,
a minute twelve left to go until halftime in that
contest Gonzaga earlier today, big win against Indiana. Tough one
for the the Hoosiers. Maybe not as tough as life
(42:21):
is with Yukon. But that's all we gonna say.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Eric Torres, well, I mean they well listen, well, you
guys got a good football program too, right now. But
I was gonna say, at least Indiana's like, yeah, we're
a football school now, who cares?
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But yeah, you know, we don't have to do the
We've already done the Matt Eberflus hot seat rankings. We
don't have to do the Mike Woodson hot seat rankings.
But I think Indiana basketball is going to be having
a new coach.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
All right. I do want to pay it off. You
got to hear what it sounded like on ninety seven
point won the ticket and the Lions Radio network when
the Lions close things out with the Bears on this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Williams with seven Williams with six takes the snap. This
could be the final play of the game. Throws it
deep down field. It is a game out in complete.
Speaker 9 (43:02):
That's it. That's it, that's it. What in the world
with the Parson game is over? You talk about the
world of.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
Proc This managame is over.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
That's it. Good there there, it is the final call
a Lions winners of ten and all eleven and one,
Bears four and eight. He's eron Torres. I'm Dan Beyer.
Another special guest will stop by. Plus, you wouldn't believe
what one of our special guests had to say about
the last seconds that went down in Detroit as he
(43:41):
was on the sidelines. That's next year on Fox Sports Radio.
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