December 30, 2024 • 40 mins
Kerry Rhodes & Aaron Torres cover for Covino & Rich! They talk exhausting NFL MVP debates. Should Saquon get to play next week for the record? There's NIL payment drama & Torres attempts to be a high-speed hero. Plus, Raheem Morris' clock & Niners/Lions tonight!
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We got another hour. There is a conversation that has
taken over sports talk radio and basically anyone who talks sports.
It could be radio podcasts, barber shops, guys at the bar.
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That is the NFL MVP. You know, listen, I mean
I got takes. It is kind of exhausting. Anytime anyone
has a great game, it's like, oh, you know, can't
forget about him, Gotta be in the conversation. Like I'll
be honest, Like again, I host Saturday nights eleven to
two am Eastern Time, eleven PM to two am, and
(01:46):
like that Joe Burrow game was awesome, but people were like,
you know, don't count Joe Burrow out of the MVP race.
And I'm like, I mean, they're they're eight and eight
are almost certainly going to miss the playoffs. I think
we can count them out.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I think.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And like, by the way, putting up historic numbers, but
guys put up incredible numbers every year for bad teams.
Like the stat is incredible. Two hundred fifty plus yards
and three touchdowns in eight straight games. He hit both
those thresholds. That's an incredible season. Yeah, but if your
team misses the playoffs, it's kind of hard for me
to argue that you should be that you should be,
(02:18):
that you should win, win the MVP.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Now I'm not saying you shouldn't be in contention. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, By the way, I saw some of this with
Sam Donald today. It's like, oh my god. I mean
Sam Donald fourteen and two, they could get the number
one seed. I'm like, don't count him out. I'm like, no,
I think we can count him out. I think he's done.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So, right now, according to one prominent sports book, I
won't name it because I don't know if Covino and
Rich have a preferred sports book, but right now, Josh
Allen is the favorite minus three twenty, Lamar Jackson plus
two to fifty, Saquon at plus sixteen hundred and then
it is followed by Joe Burrow, Sam Donald, and Jared
goff De's courtesy of DraftKings sports book.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Let me just ask you, I.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Mean, do you have a definitive or are you I mean,
it's gonna be tough to say that you're waiting to
see because obviously Josh Allen, as as Isaac just told us,
he'll start to keep his start streak alive, but probably
will not play more than a series or two. Obviously,
Saquon Barkley, let me ask you really quick on Saquon
just in general, outside of the MVP conversation, do you
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would would would you if your Saquon would you want
to play? If you were Nick Sirianni, would you play him?
As he's obviously approaching the single season rushing record, but
obviously Philadelphia's playoff position is also pretty set at this
point as well.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yea, I think it depends on what you teaches, what
you preaches the team, right Like if you're if we're
teaching that No One players above you know our team
and what our goals are, which you know some organizations
and some teams you know heavily rely on, then he
wouldn't play.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I mean, it's a no brainer. He's already it's already set.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Or even you know, if he played one series almost
like a preseason game, and you know, was out there
with your team, I understand that as well. But going
out there actively trying to get a record for the
team to put him in that position knowing you got
a long road, may possibly a long road coming up
to try to get to the super Bowl and win
the Super Bowl, I would not. But then as I
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take a step back and I think about legacy, and
I think about what you know, sports fans remember and
what they think about as the years progress and pass by.
It's usually some weird stat or some record that people remember, right.
I mean, if he doesn't break the record, we'll just
remember him having a really good year in twenty twenty four,
and it's like, yeah, other people have had good years
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and they kind of fall in that same vein. But
you know, like I said, as a player, for me,
if I was him, I would want to break the
record for that reason, but also I would see the
team in a situation not putting him in harm's way
and giving themselves themselves a chance to win the Super
Bowl here, So I'd i'd sit him if I was
the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, yeah, I would probably sit him as well. And
let me last question on this. You said depends on
what you preaches the team, But let me ask you this.
We I understand, Hey, you know nobody's ahead of the team.
We also have all been in a locker room at
some point, and we know there is a hierarchy, like
all those guys know, like, wow, we would not be
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in this position without Saquon right, Like it wouldn't be
if pretty much all the other starters were playing and
you decided to put Saquon in street clothes.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I don't want to say you speak for everybody in
the locker room, but most of those guys, even if
their starters are like, yeah, I get why Saquon isn't
isn't playing today.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Right, Well, none of those guys should be playing.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
If you're if you're a high level player, if you're
gonna sit Saquon, you gotta sit those guys as well.
So I don't think you're just sitting him and then
not sitting other important players on your team. That then
that that sets another president as well. And so that's
what and that's what I mean, Like it's either all in,
all out. If somebody's gonna sit, you know, the other
guys are gonna sit as well, or if if everybody
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else plays, he's going to play as well.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Very good, let's get into the uh obviously the MVP race.
By the way, should mention the Eagles have officially clinched
the NFC East and the two seat in the playoffs,
so we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So, like I said, Josh Allen right now, is the
favorite Lamar Jackson, right behind Saquon is behind them. Obviously
have my takes, but curious for your perspective on the
conversation that has sparked a million sports talk radio debates.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, the discourse around the NFL MVP has just been
sickening to me. I'm so tired of it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I kind of have to.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
It's one of those things where, you know, four weeks ago,
Josh Allen had it wrapped up by all dependents, all
the people that you know have votes and have a
voice on TV or all these different platforms, and it's.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Just like, no, it's not over. It's still still four
or five weeks left to go.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
When you got somebody in Lamar Jackson who and Saquon
Barkley for that matter, that are playing in meaningful games
and putting up you know, historic numbers also, and so
for them to say that, and especially from coming from
guys who have you know, have MVP votes and saying,
you know, this is the one this is the one
take that really gets at me. Aaron, Sure, the guys
(07:07):
that have votes and they're saying four weeks out that
you know, maybe it's you know, Lamar's happened a great year,
but maybe it's voters fatigue, Like, what sure, why would
you say that if you have a position of authority
and you have a position of you know, giving somebody
or rewarding somebody with something saying yeah, you're good enough,
but we're tired of voting for you. That just doesn't
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set the right precedent for anybody. So to think that
most of these outcomes are fair when it comes to award.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Season, that doesn't help at all.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And that's the part that really gets me, like, let
this thing play out and stop trying to be the
first one that say something that happened.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well, that's the problem with the entire industry.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And that's something that I think as time goes on,
I both get, but it also does bother me a
little bit as far as the as far as like, yeah,
you want you want your voice to be heard, and
if everybody's just like, yeah, you know, he's having a
great season, Josh Allen, it's like, yeah, that doesn't really
cut through the noise, so you gotta you know. The
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example I always use was like Anthony Edwards, the basketball
player in the playoffs last year. It went from like, oh,
he's like a rising star to oh, maybe he's the
future face of the league.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
To oh, he's actually the next Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's like, how about we let a guy win like
one NBA title before we call the next Michael. But
I so I understand why the conversation becomes what it
why people feel the need to kind of always escalate something.
I'm with you, I'd like to see everything play itself out.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So who is your I.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Don't know if you're not a voter, right No, okay,
because I think voters can't officially reveal it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Who is your MVP right now? My MVP? I would
give it to. I would give it to Josh Allen
right now, okay?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
And uh And it's not voters fatigue for me, sure,
It's just one of those things where I thought Buffalo
would just be a wild card type of team if
they made the If they made the playoffs this year,
that was my ceiling for them. So the fact that
he elevated elevated them to win the division, had some
monster games, monster wins.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That's what it's about for me.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I think he brought that team to different levels and
different heights, and that's an MVP.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now, can Lamar get it? Absolutely? He's balling.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
If sa Kwan breaks the record, absolutely in the conversation.
But Josh is my MVP right now as well.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, I actually agree with you on Josh Allen. I
thought you were gonna go with Lamar. Yeah, and like
and to be clear, let's let's say this. You know,
picking one, I can't. I don't want to speak for you,
but you don't strike me as the kind of guy
that I got to tear down these three other guys
to tell you why. And this is not to say
that Lamar is not phenomenal. I just look at Josh Allen,
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like if you paid attention, I know you do, but
I mean for the average fan, this was supposed to
be the year where Buffalo you know, this kind of
the year the big contract extension kicks in for Josh Allen.
They had to get rid of Gabe Davis, they had
to get rid of Stefan Diggs, they had to get
rid of Jordan Poyer, some other guys on defense like this,
this was supposed to be the year the regression without
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all those vets that have have been with that that
organization for this entire run. Because I've heard a lot
of the whole like, well, you know, I mean, this
isn't the best statistical season he's ever had. And then
it becomes the same thing that you just said of
like you're just giving it to Josh Allen because you
don't want to give Lamar another one. It's like, no, like,
Lamar is awesome, and nobody's saying that Lamar isn't awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But as of right now.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They haven't technically clinched the division. Now, obviously, you know,
they're you know, one loss back or they're one win
ahead of the Pittsburgh Steelers, so they're gonna win the division.
But it's like, it's not like they have a four
or five game lead in the division like Josh Allen does.
They've taken some losses. Obviously, Dereck Henry has played a
huge role in their success. Not to say that Lamar
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hasn't been awesome, but I think that all plays a role.
To me is like Lamar got reinforcements in the offseason,
Josh Allen lost guys. And then I'll also say this,
I actually think Saquan should be more in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I don't buy this hole.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You can't give it to anyone other than a quarterback,
because does no one remember what the Philadelphia Eagles were
at this time last year?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They were completely imploding.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
There were conversations this time last year, and I know
you know, and I think most of the audience knows, like,
don't bring back Nick Sirianni. This is a disaster, right,
and so like I just look at it, and I
don't think this is necessarily like should be an indicator, but.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
We have completely different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
On literally everybody else in the Philadelphia building because of
Saquon Barkley, Like, mighta save Nick Sirianni's job. I know
they brought in the two expensive coordinators, but listen, if
they can't run the ball the way they're running the ball,
Kellen Moore all you know, I mean listen, I don't
think it's gonna happen. But is it inconceivable that with
(11:51):
the coaching candidates that we have. Ben Johnson says, I'm
not taking one of these bad jobs. You know whoever?
Rextaant like, it's not a conceivable kell More gets a
head coaching job because of Saquon Barkley. Uh So, like
I I to me, I think he has elevated that
entire team. And again I understand two seasons ago they
were in a Super Bowl. I understand all this stuff,
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but by the way, Jalen Hurts looks so much more
competent with a competent run game around him, and I
just feel like, to me, he should be more in
the conversation. And I know he's like a clear number three,
and we all appreciate the statistical stuff, but it but
I always look at it as this Carrie is. I
take the word valuable very seriously, and I feel like
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in both the NBA and the NFL, I say this
all the time. In the NBA is like the NBA
MVP is no longer the most valuable player. It's I
call it the cool Stats Award because it's like, oh,
this guy has a triple double and Yo Kich averages
eleven assists per game as a seven foot one guy,
and it's like, but who's the most valuable?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Like yeah, Like I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Rambling, so I'll be quick here, but like remember the year,
Like like in the NBA, I remember the year Chris
Paul went to Phoenix and they went from I'm like
thirteenth in the West to like the one seed in
the I'm like, how is he not the most valuable
player in this sport? And I think that was one
of the years that went to Jokich, you know so,
and so I feel like we too often, Oh you
got to give it to uh in basketball, I think
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it's just about the stats. I think in football's you
gotta give it to a quarterback. And I look at
the football situation this year, I would give it to Alan,
but I actually probably I would make a stronger argument
that Saquan is the most valuable player, more than Lamar
and maybe even more than just because I just think
it changed everything about that entire building. So I've talked
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long enough, I'll throw it over to you.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I mean, you're you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean I think that's the that's the caveat right,
it's what does most valuable player mean? And it's definitely
has taken on a taking legs up and ran down
this course.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So yeah, it has to be.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
The quarterback and and the quarterback has to have the
best record, and you know all these parameters, but I
never knew they existed. I know that thing, right, it
becomes that. So but for me, yeah, like I said,
it's very simple. In the standpoint of yes, you can
look at the tape and you can look on TV
and you can tell who's the most electrifying player, and
that's Lamar Jackson. That's I think that's clear cut, with
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say Kwana probably being second and that no doubt, and
then Josh Allen probably being third.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And it's like, if you look at it from that.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Standpoint, cool, but most valuable player to their team and
to their situation right now, this Bills team has overachieved
and overachieved to a point where it's like that guy
looks like he's the probably the most valuable player.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
All right, there you go Tours and Kerry Roads just
two huge Lamar Jackson kidding list, So you know that's
my guy, dude, No, it's and that's that's what it
is unfortunate about these conversations is it always feels like
when you when you when you stand on you know
what the kids say, stand stand on business, yeah, stand
on business.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's like when you stand out on business on one guy,
it feels like you're crushing the other. It's like, we
all freaking love watching Lamar Jackson play. Like, by the way,
we did. We talked about this on our Saturday Show.
It's like this notion that somehow like Lamar has all
the all these haters out there. It's like, no, ninety
nine percent of people love watching them play, and I
think most people are just like, yeah, you got to
get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No different than Josh Allen. I don't really think Labar
Jack says, as.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You know why this discourse is really happening, go ahead,
It's because of X, no doubt. I mean, everybody has
an opinion on it. And it's not a neutral one ever. No,
it's polarizing the opposite way. And it's all it is
is just a push and pull effect that happens where
either you like that guy or you don't like the
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other one. It's it's not a I like them both
and points to show why the character situation really hurts.
I think a lot of that A lot of that
as well. If you don't have the extended character thing
on X, where your point has to be a little
bit more sure, like precise, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But I think I blame I blame X.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's it's all of these conversations like the college football
play like Alabama has to be in and SMU has
to be out and it's like, well there's Nuance. Alabama
kind of stunk here and SMU wasn't great there, And
it's like, but we don't really do that in sports
discourse anymore. Like I said, it's just and I get it.
If you want your opinion to come you know, to
come through, you got to come in strong. But it's
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like at a certain point, it's like some of the
stuff is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What do you got, Danny g.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
All Right, so you guys started the segment by talking
about whether or not you would play Saquon. Yeah, what
if his MVP candidacy kind of rides on whether or
not he breaks Eric Dickerson's record.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It does, right, And I just you don't sacrifice that
for the team though, And I'm saying just organizationally, if
you have your star player that's actively trying to break
your record. If it was thirty yards, that's a different discussion.
He's got to play. He's got a hundred yards to go,
that's a whole game.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, but the Eagle's been averaging almost one hundred and
ninety yards a game.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's true. He could break one. Yeah, I could see him.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I mean, that's what I would sell in there, and
I was like, maybe he plays a couple of series,
but he's not playing the whole game.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Would you give him a half? Whoa, that would be
that'd be a hell of a time. Second quarter, I.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Know, exactly, give him a quarter and he gets hurt
on I mean, it's just I don't think it's worth
the risk, Danny.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
The other thing too, is, and I know this is obvious,
but like back in the day, the second seed would
get a bye. Now you don't get about you gotta
play next week exactly. So it's like, that's true. I mean,
I mean, if all the guys in the locker room
want it, I mean, who am I to say?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But but then to your point, you gotta play everybody.
Then you can't can't put him behind the second string
ole line, so that the second string defense. Now you're
down fourteen nothing, and it's like, say, quad's out there,
you know, run it behind the second string ole line.
So I guess it's an interesting conversation. I would guess
that pretty much another starter's play. So yeah, says the
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Speaker 1 (19:29):
Want to get with you on a story.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I think it's a really interesting story and I think
you'd actually be the perfect person to talk to about this.
So Isaac has referenced the story a few times, but
report comes out from Yahoo Sports Today. Ross Dellinger, He's
been a guest on all of our shows. Here, great reporter,
great at what he does. There are currently six player,
(19:52):
six former Florida State basketball players that are suing the
basketball coach, Leonard Hamilton over unpaid nil okay, And I
won't bore people with too many details. It's a crazy story.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I thought I was gonna say unpaid parking tickets. I
was like, oh, that's fine, Nah, I mean they can't
well here's a problem.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
They can't afford to pay it for their car because
they didn't get their money. But long story short, I'll
spare it. But the six players allege that Hamilton promised
each of them two hundred and fifty thousand and nil
payments from the coaches business partners. The players never received
the payments, despite Hamilton promising the money to each member
of the twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four team
in two separate team meetings, as well as several individual
(20:33):
conversations with some players in their family. Several players transferred
to Florida State under the assurance that they would receive
the money. As evidence of the nil promises, the complaint
includes multiple text message exchanges between players, players in Hamilton,
and between players and Will Cowen, an executive with one
of Florida State's nil collectives. Quickly, the players actually boycotted
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a practice right before the Duke game on February seventeenth
of this year, twenty twenty four. They were going allegedly
to boycott the game before the coaching staff convinced them
that the money was coming. It never came. I'll just
be curious, you know, listen, you know college sports. It's
a crazy new world with this, Nil, I was talking
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to you about this before we went on air. I
think when we see all these crazy transfers, and you know,
you hear these stories, you always assume that it's all
the player. Oh, he's starting at Michigan. I'm just using
this as hypothetical. He's starting at Michigan, but this school
offered to double his money, and so he's leaving here.
And it's like this kind of proves that it's also
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chaos behind the street scenes from an administrative perspective as well.
And if this is all true, it's all alleged, but
this was brought in a court in Florida on Monday morning.
It shows that it's just chaos really on both sides
of the thing right now.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, we're in uncharted territory, right. I mean, you have
college kids seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, I guess now twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Playing that is a real thing.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Man playing collegiate basketball and having the audacity to want
to transfer it and I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna
make it full circle. But having the audacity to boycott
a game, yeah, like to not play a game because
you're not being paid. It's just taking away the amateurism
(22:26):
it's at that age is just it's a dangerous thing
because they're not fully developed. They don't have an understanding
of how business works at that age. And so yes,
if your promise something, you want that promise, sure, if
you're not getting that promise, you're gonna act like a
kid because you're a kid. I'm gonna not play this
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game and not be here with my brothers because you
promise me you're gonna give me this money. It's just
it's an added layer of conversation that's just chaotic on
all levels. Stop promising people things that you can't deliver on.
That's the number one thing obviously. But when you're giving
these kids the greenlight to not play a kid's game
(23:09):
at seventeen eighteen nineteen based on money and not receiving that,
it's just gonna it's gonna be this way, and it's
it's not a fun place to be. It really makes it,
It really makes my stomach churn because it's you shouldn't
have these problems going on at this age.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, you know, and it's crazy because I will tell
you you know, as somebody who's covered college sports forever,
you know, like the conversation about oh, just pay the players.
It always bothered me, not because players shouldn't get a
cut of the revenue they produce, but I mean I
remember even doing shows on these airwaves where we would
have a guest, or we would have a co host
(23:46):
or whoever. And I'm not gonna name names. It doesn't
really matter, but oh, just pay the players.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Just figure it out.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And it's like, well, it's really way more complicated than that.
And I think what we're seeing is what people like myself,
people who know college sports, you know it, what it
told you ten years ago, is like if you just
opened this thing up, it's not only is it gonna
be chaos, but it's like I just remember people being like, well,
how crazy it's gonna get?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And I remember using the example.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I was like, if Texas, I'm just using Texas as
an example. They think there's a quarterback that can win
him a national championship. You mean to tell me they
can't come up with ten million dollars, five million dollars whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And now we're literally seeing that. Yes, I think it's crazy,
but it's it's a reality.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Is think about how many guys now are coming back
to college because they can make more money in college
than they can as a pro.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And so you have so many different variables.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I want to ask you, like, first of all, with
this nil stuff, it's kind of amazing to me. And
it's kind of it's kind of touched on here because
they're obviously were I'm sure players in that program who
had some kind of lawyer or whatever. This is the
other part of it that I don't think people realize.
I think people think, oh, you know, well, all these
kids they've got they work, they work with the great
(24:52):
you know, some great agent, they work with CIA or whatever.
It's like, it's pretty clear a lot of these kids
either didn't have a lawyer, didn't have an agent. Yeah,
I always tell the story, but you know some of
these agents, you know, they're college kids that are getting
their law degree that are like, hey, I can help
you get this much.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I can not.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You know, Yeah, if you're Caleb Williams and you're at
USC you have a real agent from a real agency. Yes,
if you're the starting right guard, you might have Carrie
Rhads from.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Down the hall.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's like no, no, no, I'm in my thirty year
of law school, I can get you. And it's like
that's the other thing that's crazy to me. It shows
again how chaotic it is. But also you mentioned the
word amateurism, but it's kind of like amateur hours like these,
And I feel bad because a lot of these kids
they don't have the real world experience.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
They don't know. I mean, I'll say it all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's like, whatever deal you're agreeing to, and I'm sure
you know this from first and experience, you gotta get
something in writing or there a handshae. It doesn't matter
if you're my best friend, if you're my worst enemy.
If it's not in writing, I don't want anything to
do with it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
To be perfectly honest, you know, oh a thousand percent
you have to cross your t's and dot your eyes
and you just don't understand that at seventeen eighteen nineteen, real.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Quick, how different is your understanding? Because I think this
is another part of the media narrative too. It's like, oh,
you know, just pay the play. And it's like the
other thing is, you know you can be as a
young person so manipulated by adults. But this is what
always been my argument about how we cover college sports.
Is it's a bunch of thirty forty fifty year old
(26:21):
guys and girls with their experience as a thirty forty
fifty year year old saying how eighteen and nineteen year
old should handle themselves. And so, just how different now
that you've played in the NFL for ten twelve years,
you've dealt with contract negotiations, you've dealt with this, You've
probably had good agents and bad agents. How different is
your knowledge now? It's you know, your late thirties, early
(26:42):
forties as opposed to eighteen nineteen when you would have
been put in this situation if you were coming up now.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, think about me at twenty one to twenty two
when I was going through the NFL DREFT process and
sitting in those rooms about financial literacy and still had
no idea. Sure, and I'm about to be a pro.
So seventeen eighteen nineteen you have no idea. And then
you talk about you know, Carrie Rose down the hall,
that's you know, three years, three years and on his
law degree. It's even worse than that because they're probably
(27:09):
taking advice from family members, which is not even that's
that part is it's just it blows my mind that
so many people are so attached to, you know, family
members and friends and in people from that time of
their lives where yes, they may want the best for you,
but they also want the best for themselves. And that's
that part, is the other tricky part about it. Yeah,
(27:31):
it's it's just a crazy world.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And again, I just think that it's a bunch of
adults looking at things from an adult perspective when you're
dealing with kids, and I just it's so sketchy. And
you know, clearly these kids didn't have a lawyer. And
I'll say this, I think it's interesting. There's some text
messages back and forth with the coach, but it doesn't
appear as though the coach in writing put anything in
(27:55):
a text message he knew.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, Leonard Hamilton nine years old.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's been around since I told you before he recruited
Ralph Sampson at Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Okay, so like that guy's been around since the seventies.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, so maybe he just doesn't text in general, but
he certainly ain't putting anything in writing that can be
held against him in a quarter of law. But like you,
that's what I'm saying. This this story is so crazy,
and I'll tell you I do feel bad for the Yeah.
So all right, Fox Sports Radio eron Torres and Carry Rhodes.
We are filling in for for Covino and Rich come back.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
We got a couple more segments left. We'll wrap the
show a little more NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's all next Fox Sports Radio. But first, do want
to get over the news desk, Isaac Lownkron.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Thank you, Aaron.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Philadelphia Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni said this afternoon that
he has not decided yet whether or not to play
Saquon Barkley and other key Eagle starters in Sunday's regular
season finale against the Giants. Eagles, of course, have already
cleansed the two seed in the NFC, but Barkley needs
one hundred and one rushing yards to break Eric Dickerson's
single season NFL record. Buffalo Bill's head coach Sean mcnerbott
(29:02):
said Josh Allen will start on Sunday against the Patriots,
but just in order to keep his streak of one
hundred and fourteen consecutive starts alive, he will be taken
out shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
The Bills have.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Already climpsed the two seed in the AFC and college football. Today,
Missouri defeated Iowa in the Music City Bowl twenty seven
to twenty four. In Major League Baseball, the Texas Rangers
signed free agent designated hitter and outfielder Jacques Peterson to
a two year contract with a mutual option for twenty
twenty seven. Finally fellas to transportation related items. First of all,
(29:37):
the FAA is launching an investigation into a near collision
on Friday afternoon at LAX involving a Delta A three
twenty one and a small charter plane carrying the Gonzaga
men's basketball team, which was arriving for a Saturday game
against UCLA. Now, I know I always like to play
(29:57):
funny soundbites, but this is the actual re audio. This
is not fake. This is the actual audio of the
air traffic control telling the Gonzaga plane to stop because
it was taxiing towards the path of the Delta plane
taking off. So, thankfully everything was okay. And our final
(30:22):
transportation related item Fox Sports Radio is Aaron Torres.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You heard crazy. This was away, Take it away.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So I was in the middle of a high speed
Chase here in Los Angeles, that that was a real
I wasn't part of it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I'm driving into work. Yeah, exactly. He was sweating when
he came in. Guys, So you know, I think it
was furious. I think if Vin Diesel was in the car. No,
so they were fast, you were furious. No, I was mortified.
Was I was.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
This is a real story. You could look it up
on if you are on Twitter. It was on, you know,
like my wife sent me a bunch of stories about it.
But so driving into work, you know, I I'm just
you know, I'm listening to Cowherd getting ready to do
this show, all that good stuff, and and uh so
I guess it wasn't Coward because he was off air,
but you get the point.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And I see a single police a police siren in
the background, and then I see a second one, and
I see two more. I see four total cars. And
in my head first I'm like, oh, this is weird.
Then I'm like, oh, I wonder if it's like some
sort of motor cade or something like that. And I
see a silver truck like kind of cutting across some lanes.
(31:33):
This is all behind me in the rear view mirror.
But obviously when you see one police siren, let alone
four or five. And when you see four, you're like,
oh my god, do I pull over? Then you start
looking around as everybody else pulling over?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
And I see this silver truck pulling over to the
right from the left hand side, and in my head,
I'm like, oh, you know, either he's getting out of
the way, he or she's getting out of the way,
or it's the person they're they're pulling over and and whatever,
and so as this is all happening, this is all
behind me, and I see this guy keep pulling over
(32:07):
right off an exit ramp onto a very famous highway
where we live here in Los Angeles called the five
Freeway and doesn't slow down, and then the four cop
cars follow him, and I'm like, and by the way,
this guy a girl pulled right into the breakdown lane
on the exit full speed. And you know how these
ramps are, They're sharp, there's a fifty foot drop. So
(32:27):
I'm like, nobody would take a ramp like this unless
you're trying to evade the police. And so then I
see the four cop cars follow him, called my wife.
She didn't pick up she was at work, called my
sister in law, who's always on, you know, social media
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm like, can you look this up?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And she looked it up in two seconds, and then
I called my wife called me back, and by the
time I got to work, she had sent me videos
from this police chase. I assume it's over by now,
but this is from Fox eleven Los Angeles, happening now.
A high speed police chase continues in La County. And
it was it was absolutely the one that I was
(33:03):
involved in. It was insane, and it was one of
those like in real time, like you know, how like
have you ever had a traumatic experience? And I'm not
saying this is the most traumatic, but like you like,
you don't realize how serious the situation was until afterward.
And so it's like two three minutes later, I'm like,
oh my god, Like if I had if this had
happened a half a mile up and this guy wasn't
(33:24):
getting off the freeway, It's like, I don't even know
what could happen. But I'm safe. Everybody appears to be safe.
I'm trying to look for an update now, but but.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah, he's in custody now. Oh, thank god stolen GMC truck.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
There you go. I bet the cops listening a Fox
Sports radio and there.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
The most the most impressive thing about this story is,
you know, like to be a really good player in
the league, you have There's a saying that says, man,
this guy has eyes in the back of this head. Yeah,
Aaron has eyes in the back of his head. He
saw all of this happen and transpired while he's driving us.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
For being aware, for being aware, yes, listen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't know so I if this whole commentary led
directly of this arrestaurnant. So I don't want to call
myself a hero, but I will say, uh no, it
was pretty.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It was pretty. It was pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Like like I said, when you relive it in your head,
you're like, oh that that crap was crazy. O my
oh thank you stop stop listen. If you want to
call me a hero, that's fine. I mean, I'm not
gonna just argue with you. We got one segment left,
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Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. This is the Coveno
and rich Show. Covino and Rich out till Wednesday. They
will be back in just a few days. Taking some
much deserved time off. Aaron Torres carry Roads. Taking to
the top of the hour, Rob Parker, Kevin Washington, the
Odd Couple follow us by the way. One quick correction
from way earlier in the show. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers.
(35:14):
I believe I said that he was a free agent
after this year. He is under contract through twenty twenty
five with a no trade clause meeting. The Jets would
have to release him outright after the twenty twenty four
season to part ways. So I think that's gonna be
an interesting part of the conversation about keeping him, about
about who gets that job is you know, I think
(35:35):
there's a reasonable possibility you're probably gonna have to coach
Aaron Rodgers. And if you're not, who are you gonna coach?
Because again, this draft isn't gonna give you five first
rounders like last year. The free agent crop is a
bunch of old guys like Kirk Cousins, So that's an
interesting scenario. Really quickly before we get out, I do
want your thoughts on the Monday night game, obviously Detroit
San Francisco NFC Championship Game rematch, really quick. I do
(35:57):
know you had some thoughts Atlanta losing an over time
to Washington, the Commanders obviously get the victory, and Raheem
Morris apparently saving the timeouts for the next game. I
don't know if that's allowed, maybe I'm not aware, but
obviously miss a field goal at the end of regulation
and all that crazy stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So yeah, we talked about being a head coach in
this league and being a really good head coach in
this league. It's you have to understand time management, You
got to understand situations of football. If you can't do
those things, you won't last long. Raheem Morris already had
to stop where you know, this has kind of been
part of his repertoire, not being able to handle these situations.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So it's not a good look.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And obviously you know you got a young quarterback in
that position as well that's not used to that situation.
Call the time out, get them settled and run your plays.
You wait twenty two seconds, you're gonna end up kicking
a long field goal and you miss it, and now
you're not in the driver's seat of your division.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It sucks.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Second career play, second career start for Michael Pennix. I
know he has a ton in college, but still, it
wasn't an ideal situation.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
By the way, Shout out Sean McVay.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't know what he's teaching these guys behind the
scenes in these interviews, but Brandon Staley got a head
coaching job. That guy was clearly not ready for the
stage right now. Kevin O'Connell's the extreme opposite. He's been awesome.
Raheem Morris will see. But obviously the Falcons eight and
eight into your point no longer control their division right now.
Detroit Lions and San Francisco forty nine Ers are the
Monday night game. Rich Davis's forty nine ers not really
(37:23):
playing for all that much Detroit. Weirdly they are, but
they aren't. Obviously, even if they were to lose this game,
they will be a win and you get the number
one seed in obviously the NFC North next week against Minnesota.
But what do you expect to see here on this
Monday night game which kicks off a little over an
hour from now.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, San Frans been done for a while. They'll come
out and play. They're prideful bunch, and Shanahan will have
them ready to play. But yeah, Detroit has lost fourteen
in the role to San Francisco, and I think tonight
crazy Thank the Knight ends that. I think Detroit goes
in and gets a big win tonight really quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Not even with the brock Purty stuff. We've talked about
quarterback contracts. To start the show with Sam Darnold. Do
you believe the forty nine ers window with all those
veteran guys, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey will be thirty and
twenty twenty five, do you believe their Super Bowl window
is officially over with this corps.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yes, I do too, it is yeah, Yeah, I mean
not to say that they can't. Again, we talked about
it earlier. I talked about it earlier, right, Like, you
can turn this thing around quickly, and from year to
year it goes obviously, as you can see, they were
in the Super Bowl last year. Now they won't make
the playoffs this year. Minnesota was a bad team last
year they were fourteen and two, so it can change.
But with that nucleus, yeah, it's done.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, I agree. I think last year was the window. Obviously,
we know multiple Super Bowls where you were in control early.
You can't close it out against Kansas City late, but
kittles on the wrong side of thirty at this point.
You know, obviously green Law is going to be coming
off a major injury. And I'll say this, you know,
I think the Brock Party stuff obviously becomes infinitely more interesting.
And I've always been a Rock Party defender, but you know,
(38:55):
we're seeing what it's like now without Christian McCaffrey playing
at an MVP level, without Brandon I, without you know whatever,
Trent Williams obviously, so sets up a very interesting scenario.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You need good players to be a good quarter up. Yes, yes,
it doesn't matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean, I've seen Tom Brady when I played against
him obviously quite a bit in my day. You know,
elevate players and get them contracts by his play, but
ultimately you still don't win at all, and so you
need you need those guys to be healthy. Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I remember I was on air during that final playoff
game against the Tennessee Titans for Tom Brady pick six,
ends of the game, ends the season. I was on
with Arnie Spanier in our Saturday spot. It was a
Saturday wildcard game. But it was just interesting because I
came off air that night saying Brady's cooked, he's no
good whatever, and then you just realized he had no
(39:44):
help around him. It's like, yeah, you go back and
you look at what he had in Tampa with Mike Evans,
Gronk Returns, ab was you know, in the right frame
of mind at that point, on and on. But I
just remember being like, oh, Brady stinks, and it's like, no,
Brady's actually pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
He just needs some help.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
It makes you think that the MVP Award doesn't always
just have to be a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Right there, I'm on team Saquon, he ain't gonna win it.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
But I think there is a stronger argument than people
are giving it credit for for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But I'll tell you what I think. We got to
get out of here. Carry man.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
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We got another hour. There is a conversation that has
taken over sports talk radio and basically anyone who talks sports.
It could be radio podcasts, barber shops, guys at the bar.
(01:24):
That is the NFL MVP. You know, listen, I mean
I got takes. It is kind of exhausting. Anytime anyone
has a great game, it's like, oh, you know, can't
forget about him, Gotta be in the conversation. Like I'll
be honest, Like again, I host Saturday nights eleven to
two am Eastern Time, eleven PM to two am, and
(01:46):
like that Joe Burrow game was awesome, but people were like,
you know, don't count Joe Burrow out of the MVP race.
And I'm like, I mean, they're they're eight and eight
are almost certainly going to miss the playoffs. I think
we can count them out.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I think.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And like, by the way, putting up historic numbers, but
guys put up incredible numbers every year for bad teams.
Like the stat is incredible. Two hundred fifty plus yards
and three touchdowns in eight straight games. He hit both
those thresholds. That's an incredible season. Yeah, but if your
team misses the playoffs, it's kind of hard for me
to argue that you should be that you should be,
(02:18):
that you should win, win the MVP.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Now I'm not saying you shouldn't be in contention. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, By the way, I saw some of this with
Sam Donald today. It's like, oh my god. I mean
Sam Donald fourteen and two, they could get the number
one seed. I'm like, don't count him out. I'm like, no,
I think we can count him out. I think he's done.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So, right now, according to one prominent sports book, I
won't name it because I don't know if Covino and
Rich have a preferred sports book, but right now, Josh
Allen is the favorite minus three twenty, Lamar Jackson plus
two to fifty, Saquon at plus sixteen hundred and then
it is followed by Joe Burrow, Sam Donald, and Jared
goff De's courtesy of DraftKings sports book.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Let me just ask you, I.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Mean, do you have a definitive or are you I mean,
it's gonna be tough to say that you're waiting to
see because obviously Josh Allen, as as Isaac just told us,
he'll start to keep his start streak alive, but probably
will not play more than a series or two. Obviously,
Saquon Barkley, let me ask you really quick on Saquon
just in general, outside of the MVP conversation, do you
(03:19):
would would would you if your Saquon would you want
to play? If you were Nick Sirianni, would you play him?
As he's obviously approaching the single season rushing record, but
obviously Philadelphia's playoff position is also pretty set at this
point as well.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yea, I think it depends on what you teaches, what
you preaches the team, right Like if you're if we're
teaching that No One players above you know our team
and what our goals are, which you know some organizations
and some teams you know heavily rely on, then he
wouldn't play.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I mean, it's a no brainer. He's already it's already set.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Or even you know, if he played one series almost
like a preseason game, and you know, was out there
with your team, I understand that as well. But going
out there actively trying to get a record for the
team to put him in that position knowing you got
a long road, may possibly a long road coming up
to try to get to the super Bowl and win
the Super Bowl, I would not. But then as I
(04:14):
take a step back and I think about legacy, and
I think about what you know, sports fans remember and
what they think about as the years progress and pass by.
It's usually some weird stat or some record that people remember, right.
I mean, if he doesn't break the record, we'll just
remember him having a really good year in twenty twenty four,
and it's like, yeah, other people have had good years
(04:35):
and they kind of fall in that same vein. But
you know, like I said, as a player, for me,
if I was him, I would want to break the
record for that reason, but also I would see the
team in a situation not putting him in harm's way
and giving themselves themselves a chance to win the Super
Bowl here, So I'd i'd sit him if I was
the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, yeah, I would probably sit him as well. And
let me last question on this. You said depends on
what you preaches the team, But let me ask you this.
We I understand, Hey, you know nobody's ahead of the team.
We also have all been in a locker room at
some point, and we know there is a hierarchy, like
all those guys know, like, wow, we would not be
(05:17):
in this position without Saquon right, Like it wouldn't be
if pretty much all the other starters were playing and
you decided to put Saquon in street clothes.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I don't want to say you speak for everybody in
the locker room, but most of those guys, even if
their starters are like, yeah, I get why Saquon isn't
isn't playing today.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Right, Well, none of those guys should be playing.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
If you're if you're a high level player, if you're
gonna sit Saquon, you gotta sit those guys as well.
So I don't think you're just sitting him and then
not sitting other important players on your team. That then
that that sets another president as well. And so that's
what and that's what I mean, Like it's either all in,
all out. If somebody's gonna sit, you know, the other
guys are gonna sit as well, or if if everybody
(05:55):
else plays, he's going to play as well.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Very good, let's get into the uh obviously the MVP race.
By the way, should mention the Eagles have officially clinched
the NFC East and the two seat in the playoffs,
so we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So, like I said, Josh Allen right now, is the
favorite Lamar Jackson, right behind Saquon is behind them. Obviously
have my takes, but curious for your perspective on the
conversation that has sparked a million sports talk radio debates.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, the discourse around the NFL MVP has just been
sickening to me. I'm so tired of it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I kind of have to.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
It's one of those things where, you know, four weeks ago,
Josh Allen had it wrapped up by all dependents, all
the people that you know have votes and have a
voice on TV or all these different platforms, and it's.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Just like, no, it's not over. It's still still four
or five weeks left to go.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
When you got somebody in Lamar Jackson who and Saquon
Barkley for that matter, that are playing in meaningful games
and putting up you know, historic numbers also, and so
for them to say that, and especially from coming from
guys who have you know, have MVP votes and saying,
you know, this is the one this is the one
take that really gets at me. Aaron, Sure, the guys
(07:07):
that have votes and they're saying four weeks out that
you know, maybe it's you know, Lamar's happened a great year,
but maybe it's voters fatigue, Like, what sure, why would
you say that if you have a position of authority
and you have a position of you know, giving somebody
or rewarding somebody with something saying yeah, you're good enough,
but we're tired of voting for you. That just doesn't
(07:28):
set the right precedent for anybody. So to think that
most of these outcomes are fair when it comes to award.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Season, that doesn't help at all.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And that's the part that really gets me, like, let
this thing play out and stop trying to be the
first one that say something that happened.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well, that's the problem with the entire industry.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And that's something that I think as time goes on,
I both get, but it also does bother me a
little bit as far as the as far as like, yeah,
you want you want your voice to be heard, and
if everybody's just like, yeah, you know, he's having a
great season, Josh Allen, it's like, yeah, that doesn't really
cut through the noise, so you gotta you know. The
(08:05):
example I always use was like Anthony Edwards, the basketball
player in the playoffs last year. It went from like, oh,
he's like a rising star to oh, maybe he's the
future face of the league.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
To oh, he's actually the next Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's like, how about we let a guy win like
one NBA title before we call the next Michael. But
I so I understand why the conversation becomes what it
why people feel the need to kind of always escalate something.
I'm with you, I'd like to see everything play itself out.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So who is your I.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Don't know if you're not a voter, right No, okay,
because I think voters can't officially reveal it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Who is your MVP right now? My MVP? I would
give it to. I would give it to Josh Allen
right now, okay?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
And uh And it's not voters fatigue for me, sure,
It's just one of those things where I thought Buffalo
would just be a wild card type of team if
they made the If they made the playoffs this year,
that was my ceiling for them. So the fact that
he elevated elevated them to win the division, had some
monster games, monster wins.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That's what it's about for me.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I think he brought that team to different levels and
different heights, and that's an MVP.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now, can Lamar get it? Absolutely? He's balling.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
If sa Kwan breaks the record, absolutely in the conversation.
But Josh is my MVP right now as well.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, I actually agree with you on Josh Allen. I
thought you were gonna go with Lamar. Yeah, and like
and to be clear, let's let's say this. You know,
picking one, I can't. I don't want to speak for you,
but you don't strike me as the kind of guy
that I got to tear down these three other guys
to tell you why. And this is not to say
that Lamar is not phenomenal. I just look at Josh Allen,
(09:42):
like if you paid attention, I know you do, but
I mean for the average fan, this was supposed to
be the year where Buffalo you know, this kind of
the year the big contract extension kicks in for Josh Allen.
They had to get rid of Gabe Davis, they had
to get rid of Stefan Diggs, they had to get
rid of Jordan Poyer, some other guys on defense like this,
this was supposed to be the year the regression without
(10:03):
all those vets that have have been with that that
organization for this entire run. Because I've heard a lot
of the whole like, well, you know, I mean, this
isn't the best statistical season he's ever had. And then
it becomes the same thing that you just said of
like you're just giving it to Josh Allen because you
don't want to give Lamar another one. It's like, no, like,
Lamar is awesome, and nobody's saying that Lamar isn't awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But as of right now.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They haven't technically clinched the division. Now, obviously, you know,
they're you know, one loss back or they're one win
ahead of the Pittsburgh Steelers, so they're gonna win the division.
But it's like, it's not like they have a four
or five game lead in the division like Josh Allen does.
They've taken some losses. Obviously, Dereck Henry has played a
huge role in their success. Not to say that Lamar
(10:47):
hasn't been awesome, but I think that all plays a role.
To me is like Lamar got reinforcements in the offseason,
Josh Allen lost guys. And then I'll also say this,
I actually think Saquan should be more in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I don't buy this hole.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You can't give it to anyone other than a quarterback,
because does no one remember what the Philadelphia Eagles were
at this time last year?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They were completely imploding.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
There were conversations this time last year, and I know
you know, and I think most of the audience knows, like,
don't bring back Nick Sirianni. This is a disaster, right,
and so like I just look at it, and I
don't think this is necessarily like should be an indicator, but.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
We have completely different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
On literally everybody else in the Philadelphia building because of
Saquon Barkley, Like, mighta save Nick Sirianni's job. I know
they brought in the two expensive coordinators, but listen, if
they can't run the ball the way they're running the ball,
Kellen Moore all you know, I mean listen, I don't
think it's gonna happen. But is it inconceivable that with
(11:51):
the coaching candidates that we have. Ben Johnson says, I'm
not taking one of these bad jobs. You know whoever?
Rextaant like, it's not a conceivable kell More gets a
head coaching job because of Saquon Barkley. Uh So, like
I I to me, I think he has elevated that
entire team. And again I understand two seasons ago they
were in a Super Bowl. I understand all this stuff,
(12:12):
but by the way, Jalen Hurts looks so much more
competent with a competent run game around him, and I
just feel like, to me, he should be more in
the conversation. And I know he's like a clear number three,
and we all appreciate the statistical stuff, but it but
I always look at it as this Carrie is. I
take the word valuable very seriously, and I feel like
(12:33):
in both the NBA and the NFL, I say this
all the time. In the NBA is like the NBA
MVP is no longer the most valuable player. It's I
call it the cool Stats Award because it's like, oh,
this guy has a triple double and Yo Kich averages
eleven assists per game as a seven foot one guy,
and it's like, but who's the most valuable?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Like yeah, Like I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Rambling, so I'll be quick here, but like remember the year,
Like like in the NBA, I remember the year Chris
Paul went to Phoenix and they went from I'm like
thirteenth in the West to like the one seed in
the I'm like, how is he not the most valuable
player in this sport? And I think that was one
of the years that went to Jokich, you know so,
and so I feel like we too often, Oh you
got to give it to uh in basketball, I think
(13:15):
it's just about the stats. I think in football's you
gotta give it to a quarterback. And I look at
the football situation this year, I would give it to Alan,
but I actually probably I would make a stronger argument
that Saquan is the most valuable player, more than Lamar
and maybe even more than just because I just think
it changed everything about that entire building. So I've talked
(13:36):
long enough, I'll throw it over to you.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I mean, you're you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean I think that's the that's the caveat right,
it's what does most valuable player mean? And it's definitely
has taken on a taking legs up and ran down
this course.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So yeah, it has to be.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
The quarterback and and the quarterback has to have the
best record, and you know all these parameters, but I
never knew they existed. I know that thing, right, it
becomes that. So but for me, yeah, like I said,
it's very simple. In the standpoint of yes, you can
look at the tape and you can look on TV
and you can tell who's the most electrifying player, and
that's Lamar Jackson. That's I think that's clear cut, with
(14:13):
say Kwana probably being second and that no doubt, and
then Josh Allen probably being third.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And it's like, if you look at it from that.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Standpoint, cool, but most valuable player to their team and
to their situation right now, this Bills team has overachieved
and overachieved to a point where it's like that guy
looks like he's the probably the most valuable player.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
All right, there you go Tours and Kerry Roads just
two huge Lamar Jackson kidding list, So you know that's
my guy, dude, No, it's and that's that's what it
is unfortunate about these conversations is it always feels like
when you when you when you stand on you know
what the kids say, stand stand on business, yeah, stand
on business.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's like when you stand out on business on one guy,
it feels like you're crushing the other. It's like, we
all freaking love watching Lamar Jackson play. Like, by the way,
we did. We talked about this on our Saturday Show.
It's like this notion that somehow like Lamar has all
the all these haters out there. It's like, no, ninety
nine percent of people love watching them play, and I
think most people are just like, yeah, you got to
get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No different than Josh Allen. I don't really think Labar
Jack says, as.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You know why this discourse is really happening, go ahead,
It's because of X, no doubt. I mean, everybody has
an opinion on it. And it's not a neutral one ever. No,
it's polarizing the opposite way. And it's all it is
is just a push and pull effect that happens where
either you like that guy or you don't like the
(15:36):
other one. It's it's not a I like them both
and points to show why the character situation really hurts.
I think a lot of that A lot of that
as well. If you don't have the extended character thing
on X, where your point has to be a little
bit more sure, like precise, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But I think I blame I blame X.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's it's all of these conversations like the college football
play like Alabama has to be in and SMU has
to be out and it's like, well there's Nuance. Alabama
kind of stunk here and SMU wasn't great there, And
it's like, but we don't really do that in sports
discourse anymore. Like I said, it's just and I get it.
If you want your opinion to come you know, to
come through, you got to come in strong. But it's
(16:18):
like at a certain point, it's like some of the
stuff is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What do you got, Danny g.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
All Right, so you guys started the segment by talking
about whether or not you would play Saquon. Yeah, what
if his MVP candidacy kind of rides on whether or
not he breaks Eric Dickerson's record.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It does, right, And I just you don't sacrifice that
for the team though, And I'm saying just organizationally, if
you have your star player that's actively trying to break
your record. If it was thirty yards, that's a different discussion.
He's got to play. He's got a hundred yards to go,
that's a whole game.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, but the Eagle's been averaging almost one hundred and
ninety yards a game.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's true. He could break one. Yeah, I could see him.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I mean, that's what I would sell in there, and
I was like, maybe he plays a couple of series,
but he's not playing the whole game.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Would you give him a half? Whoa, that would be
that'd be a hell of a time. Second quarter, I.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Know, exactly, give him a quarter and he gets hurt
on I mean, it's just I don't think it's worth
the risk, Danny.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
The other thing too, is, and I know this is obvious,
but like back in the day, the second seed would
get a bye. Now you don't get about you gotta
play next week exactly. So it's like, that's true. I mean,
I mean, if all the guys in the locker room
want it, I mean, who am I to say?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But but then to your point, you gotta play everybody.
Then you can't can't put him behind the second string
ole line, so that the second string defense. Now you're
down fourteen nothing, and it's like, say, quad's out there,
you know, run it behind the second string ole line.
So I guess it's an interesting conversation. I would guess
that pretty much another starter's play. So yeah, says the
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Speaker 1 (19:13):
Welcome back, everybody. This is the Covino and Rich Show.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
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five roads.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Want to get with you on a story.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I think it's a really interesting story and I think
you'd actually be the perfect person to talk to about this.
So Isaac has referenced the story a few times, but
report comes out from Yahoo Sports Today. Ross Dellinger, He's
been a guest on all of our shows. Here, great reporter,
great at what he does. There are currently six player,
(19:52):
six former Florida State basketball players that are suing the
basketball coach, Leonard Hamilton over unpaid nil okay, And I
won't bore people with too many details. It's a crazy story.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I thought I was gonna say unpaid parking tickets. I
was like, oh, that's fine, Nah, I mean they can't
well here's a problem.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
They can't afford to pay it for their car because
they didn't get their money. But long story short, I'll
spare it. But the six players allege that Hamilton promised
each of them two hundred and fifty thousand and nil
payments from the coaches business partners. The players never received
the payments, despite Hamilton promising the money to each member
of the twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four team
in two separate team meetings, as well as several individual
(20:33):
conversations with some players in their family. Several players transferred
to Florida State under the assurance that they would receive
the money. As evidence of the nil promises, the complaint
includes multiple text message exchanges between players, players in Hamilton,
and between players and Will Cowen, an executive with one
of Florida State's nil collectives. Quickly, the players actually boycotted
(20:56):
a practice right before the Duke game on February seventeenth
of this year, twenty twenty four. They were going allegedly
to boycott the game before the coaching staff convinced them
that the money was coming. It never came. I'll just
be curious, you know, listen, you know college sports. It's
a crazy new world with this, Nil, I was talking
(21:17):
to you about this before we went on air. I
think when we see all these crazy transfers, and you know,
you hear these stories, you always assume that it's all
the player. Oh, he's starting at Michigan. I'm just using
this as hypothetical. He's starting at Michigan, but this school
offered to double his money, and so he's leaving here.
And it's like this kind of proves that it's also
(21:38):
chaos behind the street scenes from an administrative perspective as well.
And if this is all true, it's all alleged, but
this was brought in a court in Florida on Monday morning.
It shows that it's just chaos really on both sides
of the thing right now.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, we're in uncharted territory, right. I mean, you have
college kids seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, I guess now twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Playing that is a real thing.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Man playing collegiate basketball and having the audacity to want
to transfer it and I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna
make it full circle. But having the audacity to boycott
a game, yeah, like to not play a game because
you're not being paid. It's just taking away the amateurism
(22:26):
it's at that age is just it's a dangerous thing
because they're not fully developed. They don't have an understanding
of how business works at that age. And so yes,
if your promise something, you want that promise, sure, if
you're not getting that promise, you're gonna act like a
kid because you're a kid. I'm gonna not play this
(22:46):
game and not be here with my brothers because you
promise me you're gonna give me this money. It's just
it's an added layer of conversation that's just chaotic on
all levels. Stop promising people things that you can't deliver on.
That's the number one thing obviously. But when you're giving
these kids the greenlight to not play a kid's game
(23:09):
at seventeen eighteen nineteen based on money and not receiving that,
it's just gonna it's gonna be this way, and it's
it's not a fun place to be. It really makes it,
It really makes my stomach churn because it's you shouldn't
have these problems going on at this age.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, you know, and it's crazy because I will tell
you you know, as somebody who's covered college sports forever,
you know, like the conversation about oh, just pay the players.
It always bothered me, not because players shouldn't get a
cut of the revenue they produce, but I mean I
remember even doing shows on these airwaves where we would
have a guest, or we would have a co host
(23:46):
or whoever. And I'm not gonna name names. It doesn't
really matter, but oh, just pay the players.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Just figure it out.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And it's like, well, it's really way more complicated than that.
And I think what we're seeing is what people like myself,
people who know college sports, you know it, what it
told you ten years ago, is like if you just
opened this thing up, it's not only is it gonna
be chaos, but it's like I just remember people being like, well,
how crazy it's gonna get?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And I remember using the example.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I was like, if Texas, I'm just using Texas as
an example. They think there's a quarterback that can win
him a national championship. You mean to tell me they
can't come up with ten million dollars, five million dollars whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And now we're literally seeing that. Yes, I think it's crazy,
but it's it's a reality.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Is think about how many guys now are coming back
to college because they can make more money in college
than they can as a pro.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And so you have so many different variables.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I want to ask you, like, first of all, with
this nil stuff, it's kind of amazing to me. And
it's kind of it's kind of touched on here because
they're obviously were I'm sure players in that program who
had some kind of lawyer or whatever. This is the
other part of it that I don't think people realize.
I think people think, oh, you know, well, all these
kids they've got they work, they work with the great
(24:52):
you know, some great agent, they work with CIA or whatever.
It's like, it's pretty clear a lot of these kids
either didn't have a lawyer, didn't have an agent. Yeah,
I always tell the story, but you know some of
these agents, you know, they're college kids that are getting
their law degree that are like, hey, I can help
you get this much.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I can not.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You know, Yeah, if you're Caleb Williams and you're at
USC you have a real agent from a real agency. Yes,
if you're the starting right guard, you might have Carrie
Rhads from.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Down the hall.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's like no, no, no, I'm in my thirty year
of law school, I can get you. And it's like
that's the other thing that's crazy to me. It shows
again how chaotic it is. But also you mentioned the
word amateurism, but it's kind of like amateur hours like these,
And I feel bad because a lot of these kids
they don't have the real world experience.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
They don't know. I mean, I'll say it all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's like, whatever deal you're agreeing to, and I'm sure
you know this from first and experience, you gotta get
something in writing or there a handshae. It doesn't matter
if you're my best friend, if you're my worst enemy.
If it's not in writing, I don't want anything to
do with it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
To be perfectly honest, you know, oh a thousand percent
you have to cross your t's and dot your eyes
and you just don't understand that at seventeen eighteen nineteen, real.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Quick, how different is your understanding? Because I think this
is another part of the media narrative too. It's like, oh,
you know, just pay the play. And it's like the
other thing is, you know you can be as a
young person so manipulated by adults. But this is what
always been my argument about how we cover college sports.
Is it's a bunch of thirty forty fifty year old
(26:21):
guys and girls with their experience as a thirty forty
fifty year year old saying how eighteen and nineteen year
old should handle themselves. And so, just how different now
that you've played in the NFL for ten twelve years,
you've dealt with contract negotiations, you've dealt with this, You've
probably had good agents and bad agents. How different is
your knowledge now? It's you know, your late thirties, early
(26:42):
forties as opposed to eighteen nineteen when you would have
been put in this situation if you were coming up now.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, think about me at twenty one to twenty two
when I was going through the NFL DREFT process and
sitting in those rooms about financial literacy and still had
no idea. Sure, and I'm about to be a pro.
So seventeen eighteen nineteen you have no idea. And then
you talk about you know, Carrie Rose down the hall,
that's you know, three years, three years and on his
law degree. It's even worse than that because they're probably
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taking advice from family members, which is not even that's
that part is it's just it blows my mind that
so many people are so attached to, you know, family
members and friends and in people from that time of
their lives where yes, they may want the best for you,
but they also want the best for themselves. And that's
that part, is the other tricky part about it. Yeah,
(27:31):
it's it's just a crazy world.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And again, I just think that it's a bunch of
adults looking at things from an adult perspective when you're
dealing with kids, and I just it's so sketchy. And
you know, clearly these kids didn't have a lawyer. And
I'll say this, I think it's interesting. There's some text
messages back and forth with the coach, but it doesn't
appear as though the coach in writing put anything in
(27:55):
a text message he knew.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, Leonard Hamilton nine years old.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's been around since I told you before he recruited
Ralph Sampson at Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Okay, so like that guy's been around since the seventies.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, so maybe he just doesn't text in general, but
he certainly ain't putting anything in writing that can be
held against him in a quarter of law. But like you,
that's what I'm saying. This this story is so crazy,
and I'll tell you I do feel bad for the Yeah.
So all right, Fox Sports Radio eron Torres and Carry Rhodes.
We are filling in for for Covino and Rich come back.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
We got a couple more segments left. We'll wrap the
show a little more NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's all next Fox Sports Radio. But first, do want
to get over the news desk, Isaac Lownkron.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Thank you, Aaron.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Philadelphia Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni said this afternoon that
he has not decided yet whether or not to play
Saquon Barkley and other key Eagle starters in Sunday's regular
season finale against the Giants. Eagles, of course, have already
cleansed the two seed in the NFC, but Barkley needs
one hundred and one rushing yards to break Eric Dickerson's
single season NFL record. Buffalo Bill's head coach Sean mcnerbott
(29:02):
said Josh Allen will start on Sunday against the Patriots,
but just in order to keep his streak of one
hundred and fourteen consecutive starts alive, he will be taken
out shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
The Bills have.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Already climpsed the two seed in the AFC and college football. Today,
Missouri defeated Iowa in the Music City Bowl twenty seven
to twenty four. In Major League Baseball, the Texas Rangers
signed free agent designated hitter and outfielder Jacques Peterson to
a two year contract with a mutual option for twenty
twenty seven. Finally fellas to transportation related items. First of all,
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the FAA is launching an investigation into a near collision
on Friday afternoon at LAX involving a Delta A three
twenty one and a small charter plane carrying the Gonzaga
men's basketball team, which was arriving for a Saturday game
against UCLA. Now, I know I always like to play
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funny soundbites, but this is the actual re audio. This
is not fake. This is the actual audio of the
air traffic control telling the Gonzaga plane to stop because
it was taxiing towards the path of the Delta plane
taking off. So, thankfully everything was okay. And our final
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transportation related item Fox Sports Radio is Aaron Torres.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You heard crazy. This was away, Take it away.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So I was in the middle of a high speed
Chase here in Los Angeles, that that was a real
I wasn't part of it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I'm driving into work. Yeah, exactly. He was sweating when
he came in. Guys, So you know, I think it
was furious. I think if Vin Diesel was in the car. No,
so they were fast, you were furious. No, I was mortified.
Was I was.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
This is a real story. You could look it up
on if you are on Twitter. It was on, you know,
like my wife sent me a bunch of stories about it.
But so driving into work, you know, I I'm just
you know, I'm listening to Cowherd getting ready to do
this show, all that good stuff, and and uh so
I guess it wasn't Coward because he was off air,
but you get the point.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And I see a single police a police siren in
the background, and then I see a second one, and
I see two more. I see four total cars. And
in my head first I'm like, oh, this is weird.
Then I'm like, oh, I wonder if it's like some
sort of motor cade or something like that. And I
see a silver truck like kind of cutting across some lanes.
(31:33):
This is all behind me in the rear view mirror.
But obviously when you see one police siren, let alone
four or five. And when you see four, you're like,
oh my god, do I pull over? Then you start
looking around as everybody else pulling over?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
And I see this silver truck pulling over to the
right from the left hand side, and in my head,
I'm like, oh, you know, either he's getting out of
the way, he or she's getting out of the way,
or it's the person they're they're pulling over and and whatever,
and so as this is all happening, this is all
behind me, and I see this guy keep pulling over
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right off an exit ramp onto a very famous highway
where we live here in Los Angeles called the five
Freeway and doesn't slow down, and then the four cop
cars follow him, and I'm like, and by the way,
this guy a girl pulled right into the breakdown lane
on the exit full speed. And you know how these
ramps are, They're sharp, there's a fifty foot drop. So
(32:27):
I'm like, nobody would take a ramp like this unless
you're trying to evade the police. And so then I
see the four cop cars follow him, called my wife.
She didn't pick up she was at work, called my
sister in law, who's always on, you know, social media
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm like, can you look this up?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And she looked it up in two seconds, and then
I called my wife called me back, and by the
time I got to work, she had sent me videos
from this police chase. I assume it's over by now,
but this is from Fox eleven Los Angeles, happening now.
A high speed police chase continues in La County. And
it was it was absolutely the one that I was
(33:03):
involved in. It was insane, and it was one of
those like in real time, like you know, how like
have you ever had a traumatic experience? And I'm not
saying this is the most traumatic, but like you like,
you don't realize how serious the situation was until afterward.
And so it's like two three minutes later, I'm like,
oh my god, Like if I had if this had
happened a half a mile up and this guy wasn't
(33:24):
getting off the freeway, It's like, I don't even know
what could happen. But I'm safe. Everybody appears to be safe.
I'm trying to look for an update now, but but.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah, he's in custody now. Oh, thank god stolen GMC truck.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
There you go. I bet the cops listening a Fox
Sports radio and there.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
The most the most impressive thing about this story is,
you know, like to be a really good player in
the league, you have There's a saying that says, man,
this guy has eyes in the back of this head. Yeah,
Aaron has eyes in the back of his head. He
saw all of this happen and transpired while he's driving us.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
For being aware, for being aware, yes, listen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't know so I if this whole commentary led
directly of this arrestaurnant. So I don't want to call
myself a hero, but I will say, uh no, it
was pretty.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It was pretty. It was pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Like like I said, when you relive it in your head,
you're like, oh that that crap was crazy. O my
oh thank you stop stop listen. If you want to
call me a hero, that's fine. I mean, I'm not
gonna just argue with you. We got one segment left,
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Speaker 2 (34:53):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. This is the Coveno
and rich Show. Covino and Rich out till Wednesday. They
will be back in just a few days. Taking some
much deserved time off. Aaron Torres carry Roads. Taking to
the top of the hour, Rob Parker, Kevin Washington, the
Odd Couple follow us by the way. One quick correction
from way earlier in the show. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers.
(35:14):
I believe I said that he was a free agent
after this year. He is under contract through twenty twenty
five with a no trade clause meeting. The Jets would
have to release him outright after the twenty twenty four
season to part ways. So I think that's gonna be
an interesting part of the conversation about keeping him, about
about who gets that job is you know, I think
(35:35):
there's a reasonable possibility you're probably gonna have to coach
Aaron Rodgers. And if you're not, who are you gonna coach?
Because again, this draft isn't gonna give you five first
rounders like last year. The free agent crop is a
bunch of old guys like Kirk Cousins, So that's an
interesting scenario. Really quickly before we get out, I do
want your thoughts on the Monday night game, obviously Detroit
San Francisco NFC Championship Game rematch, really quick. I do
(35:57):
know you had some thoughts Atlanta losing an over time
to Washington, the Commanders obviously get the victory, and Raheem
Morris apparently saving the timeouts for the next game. I
don't know if that's allowed, maybe I'm not aware, but
obviously miss a field goal at the end of regulation
and all that crazy stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So yeah, we talked about being a head coach in
this league and being a really good head coach in
this league. It's you have to understand time management, You
got to understand situations of football. If you can't do
those things, you won't last long. Raheem Morris already had
to stop where you know, this has kind of been
part of his repertoire, not being able to handle these situations.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So it's not a good look.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And obviously you know you got a young quarterback in
that position as well that's not used to that situation.
Call the time out, get them settled and run your plays.
You wait twenty two seconds, you're gonna end up kicking
a long field goal and you miss it, and now
you're not in the driver's seat of your division.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It sucks.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Second career play, second career start for Michael Pennix. I
know he has a ton in college, but still, it
wasn't an ideal situation.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
By the way, Shout out Sean McVay.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't know what he's teaching these guys behind the
scenes in these interviews, but Brandon Staley got a head
coaching job. That guy was clearly not ready for the
stage right now. Kevin O'Connell's the extreme opposite. He's been awesome.
Raheem Morris will see. But obviously the Falcons eight and
eight into your point no longer control their division right now.
Detroit Lions and San Francisco forty nine Ers are the
Monday night game. Rich Davis's forty nine ers not really
(37:23):
playing for all that much Detroit. Weirdly they are, but
they aren't. Obviously, even if they were to lose this game,
they will be a win and you get the number
one seed in obviously the NFC North next week against Minnesota.
But what do you expect to see here on this
Monday night game which kicks off a little over an
hour from now.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, San Frans been done for a while. They'll come
out and play. They're prideful bunch, and Shanahan will have
them ready to play. But yeah, Detroit has lost fourteen
in the role to San Francisco, and I think tonight
crazy Thank the Knight ends that. I think Detroit goes
in and gets a big win tonight really quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Not even with the brock Purty stuff. We've talked about
quarterback contracts. To start the show with Sam Darnold. Do
you believe the forty nine ers window with all those
veteran guys, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey will be thirty and
twenty twenty five, do you believe their Super Bowl window
is officially over with this corps.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yes, I do too, it is yeah, Yeah, I mean
not to say that they can't. Again, we talked about
it earlier. I talked about it earlier, right, Like, you
can turn this thing around quickly, and from year to
year it goes obviously, as you can see, they were
in the Super Bowl last year. Now they won't make
the playoffs this year. Minnesota was a bad team last
year they were fourteen and two, so it can change.
But with that nucleus, yeah, it's done.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, I agree. I think last year was the window. Obviously,
we know multiple Super Bowls where you were in control early.
You can't close it out against Kansas City late, but
kittles on the wrong side of thirty at this point.
You know, obviously green Law is going to be coming
off a major injury. And I'll say this, you know,
I think the Brock Party stuff obviously becomes infinitely more interesting.
And I've always been a Rock Party defender, but you know,
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we're seeing what it's like now without Christian McCaffrey playing
at an MVP level, without Brandon I, without you know whatever,
Trent Williams obviously, so sets up a very interesting scenario.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You need good players to be a good quarter up. Yes, yes,
it doesn't matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean, I've seen Tom Brady when I played against
him obviously quite a bit in my day. You know,
elevate players and get them contracts by his play, but
ultimately you still don't win at all, and so you
need you need those guys to be healthy. Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I remember I was on air during that final playoff
game against the Tennessee Titans for Tom Brady pick six,
ends of the game, ends the season. I was on
with Arnie Spanier in our Saturday spot. It was a
Saturday wildcard game. But it was just interesting because I
came off air that night saying Brady's cooked, he's no
good whatever, and then you just realized he had no
(39:44):
help around him. It's like, yeah, you go back and
you look at what he had in Tampa with Mike Evans,
Gronk Returns, ab was you know, in the right frame
of mind at that point, on and on. But I
just remember being like, oh, Brady stinks, and it's like, no,
Brady's actually pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
He just needs some help.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
It makes you think that the MVP Award doesn't always
just have to be a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Right there, I'm on team Saquon, he ain't gonna win it.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
But I think there is a stronger argument than people
are giving it credit for for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
But I'll tell you what I think. We got to
get out of here. Carry man.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I appreciate you. It's always pleasure working with you. Cavino
and Rich. They will be back on Wednesday. If you
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