January 3, 2025 • 37 mins
Dan and Monse filling in for C&R as they discuss Jimmy Butler's comments after the Heat's loss Thursday night and what it says about happiness and income. Dan and Monse take calls on the Jimmy Butler situation and whether or not one should have sympathy for him.
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Do you think Jimmy Butler is a sports baby? Do
you really think that Jimmy Butler is a sports baby?
I don't think so. I don't think so at all.
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I'm sorry, Hello.
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We love Jimmy Butler, at least I do. Here's a baby.
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at the news desk nice to know that the ghost
of Keith Jackson is with us today. And Isaac, you
thought that Keith Jackson's infamous line was whoe Nelly. It
is not. It is old just just my favorite. It's
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it's so great on so many different levels. But welcome in.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
You did like that one? That was a legit laugh.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I do it every single time too, because it's just
it's it's funny for so many reasons because it's actually
not that far off, but it's also a blast of
the past. We all love Keith Jackson, but it's also
not exactly what Keith Jackson said. So there's just the
whole Colm, It's just all gets to get together in
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one giant, great, big ball of greatness. Yeah, that's what
it is. Anytime joy it does and I do, and
it is a it is a true laugh.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I know it is. So I'm saying it brings your joy.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Mancey lost your voice. I did see some of the
radio gods made it come back today. So she's gonna
be with us for the next two hours and shutting down.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'll just sit I'll just be here smiling at you
while you talk for two hours.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No, you're gonna be talking a lot because they're gonna
be talking about one of your favorite NBA players. Yeah,
and it's Chimmy Butler himme. Don't worry, don't worry. If
you're just listening, that won't get old at all. That's
not gonna get old at all.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
It's funny because like my uh hearing disability, uh does
this to me? Anyways, everyone sounds like chipmunks, and then
Moncey actually sounds like chipmunk today. She's Alvin the entire day.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This is the best time sound did since Tuesday. Like
I had no voice. I can't believe I actually have
a voice. And the crazy thing is like I I
have no pain, Like I don't feel bad.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I just my voice.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I'm just happened. She made it a point when
I said feel better and she's like, I'm not sick.
Like okay, what am I supposed to say? Yes, you sound.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Better, obviously I have something.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But it was like weird because everybody was like, oh no,
and I was like y'all like I, I don't have aches,
I don't have a fever.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I feel fine, but I know that I sound awful.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
For the record, I think it's more to me, more
than Alvin's the Chipmunk. Thank you so that On Tuesday,
I was here for four hours with Martin Weiss and
my voice started like this.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
By the end of it, it was pretty bad. But
they also said, Moore, is it Demi or de Me?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I think it's Demi Moore, Demi Moore.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
No, I don't know someone.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Is it Jimmy Butler or Yimmy?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
But it is Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It is Jimmy. Why do you call him yimmy? Is
that like the the is there the Spanish accent.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Of the j I'm like, my mom's my mom said Jimmy, Jimmy?
My mom?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
What do you call him yimmy?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I don't know where that came from, but I do
call him yimmy.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Do you think you're the only one?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And that's it? It's even better because he is him?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, yea, he is not him, but he does want
out of Miami. Monty is way higher on Jimmy Butler's
basketball abilities than I am.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, you're not as definitely, you're not a hater. You're
not a hater. You just don't think as highly of
him as I do.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yes, Yes, And if I did, I have hat it
would be warranted for what the he'd have done to
the Bucks in the NBA playoffs at times, So there
would be a reason. There would be a reason for that.
Jimmy Butler wants out of Miami. Made comments in the
offseason that pat Riley didn't necessarily like. Pat Riley shot back,
and it seems like that was the fracture of the
relationship between the two. I want to talk basketball, but
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I also think that there's a bigger thing at Steak here.
There's a bigger issue going on with Jimmy Butler, and
it's something that I think everybody listening to the show
can probably relate to at some point. And that's just
right now, not being happy at your job, yep. But
I think there's a basketball conversation to have, and this
is what makes the conversation about Jimmy Butler and is
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what he's doing right or is what he's doing wrong.
Let's hear from Jimmy Butler after last night's game and
the comments that he made in his future or possibly
like thereof in Miami with the heats.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Jimmy, how would you describe how you've felt about your
performance and focused tonight? I felt great. I feel like
I was focused. I feel like I did my job
or what at least my job is now.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When you say what your job is now, we're sort
of I used to see you standing in the corner
for extended periods like that. Is that a change in
the team approach that has cast you that way and
for you to be your best version of yourself? Can
that be your role and you thrive to the best
of your ability?
Speaker 7 (05:43):
It can be my role here, But I mean that's
that's not what I'm used to being. I haven't been
that since I don't know, my first second, third year
in the league, where I just went out there and
played defense, but I competed, I guarded. I try not
to my man score.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
But that's what I'm doing now.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, coaches in here saying he wants to get you
more on the point and get you more activated. So
is that something that you're amenable to and is that
something that might be necessary to get you back closer
to the top of your game and your form.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
That I ain't gonna fix it. What will fix it?
What do you want to see happen to fix it?
What do I want to see happy? I want to
see me get my joy back from playing basketball. And
wherever that may be, we'll we'll find out here pretty soon.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
But I want to get my joy back. I'm happy here,
uh you know, off the court, but I want to
be back to somewhat dominant. I want to hope and
I want to help the same win. Right now, I'm
not doing it.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Can you get your joy back here on the court?
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Probably not?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Okay, So a lot there to unpack, but it really
seemed to build up to the end. And we if
you're a sports fan and you heard the comments last night,
and you just the whole set there, I think on
the surface, Monzi, And if I'm getting this wrong, please
tell me. What is difficult for myself or what is
difficult for a sports fan to see. Is here you
have an NBA player in NBA. I'll call him great
(07:16):
for this argument. Okay, here's an NBA great who has
led this team to the NBA finals and on multiple
occasions and now is a part of a team while
in the playoff picture they're tied for fifth right now
in the East. He is not happy. And I think
on the surface, when you see an NBA great, I
(07:38):
immediately says one of NBA's one of today's players in
the NBA just never happy they're winning. He's not happy.
He's greedy. He wants contract extension. They're not given to him.
He's making what fifty million dollars, blah blah blah. In
other word, that's that's what I think all of this
reads on the surface. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I think that's fair. That's on the surface. But I
think it goes a little deeper.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Obviously, maybe there's been more behind closed door conversations that
we don't know about, and it's been like a built
up I think that we just don't know about. But
on the surface, you are right. I just think there's
maybe more to it. And imagine just getting this team
as far as you possibly can without winning multiple times.
Maybe he's starting to feel just like a little bit
frustrated because the game for Jimmy Butler is changing. Jimmy Butler,
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to me, is a dying breed. The style of play
that he the style of player he is. He's not
a typical three point shooter. He's a defender. He typically
plays both ways defense and offense, but he's a mid
range shooter and now you have to shoot a three.
And so like part of me wants to believe that
he's just kind of frustrated in his situation, But I
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don't know if he's gonna find a home that is
necessarily going to accommodate what he's looking for, just because
the style of play right now in the NBA is
very different than what he's used to, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I think I also think that his personality in who
he is makes the fit somewhere else a little more
difficult than it would be for anybody else.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Right And yeah, like his age, right Like, it's like, yeah,
like he's in a way stuck in his style of play,
and I just don't know how necessarily within his attitude, yes.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But it's also a guy who wants his own way
and feels like he should have his way and have
what he feels is coming to him because of what
he's done for the organization and because of what he
feels is his stature in the league. I find a
trade partner difficult to find on where he would exactly
fit in, not only with your explanation of the on
court limitations that you could have, but also I just
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think locker room and leadership limitations that you would see
or possible roadblocks. If you're taking him to a contender,
that contender likely already has a leader or some sort
of leadership council or a group that they follow. How
is Jimmy Butler going to fit into that sort of group?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And like teams, I'm just using Clippers as an example.
You know, like let's say if the Clippers wanted to
go for Jimmy Butler, we would have to really trade
some valuable pieces because you know, the Heat are not
going to just let him walk away for nothing. So
like it's not an ideal such, it really isn't. And
I don't know if it really is a money thing.
(10:18):
I'm sure he can get a team that will take him,
but I just don't know what the Heat are willing
to give up or exchange for him.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
And it is going to.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Be a tough, a tough trade if it happens. I
don't see them just like releasing him or whatnot. But
the rumors that he wants more.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Years, Yeah, And I don't think that the Heat are
going to trade him for nothing for multiple reasons if
they want something in return. And I also just think
that they won't play kate to what Jimmy Butler wants.
And there's the whole principle of that. Jason Stewart's our
executive producer. I know he has thoughts on this. When
you hear Jimmy Butler say what he said, what was
your response to what the NBA great was saying last night?
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Yeah, I just I don't have the name basketball takes here.
I don't know much about basketball. I'm not going to pretend,
but the way the comments come out, so from the
beginning of the season, seemingly we've been trying to figure
out a reason why people are not watching the NBA
like they used to, like, the interest level is down.
You have current players, you have former players, you have
analysts trying to narrow this down. And I think this
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is a great example. He is seems to be, at
least in the moment, trying to seek sympathy with the
words I'm trying to find my joy in my job
while at the same time making fifty million bucks a year.
I think that's a that's a lack of self awareness.
You're not going to gain any sympathy from the people
that pay your bills or you pay your checks. I
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think it's just one of the reasons. It's like the
Patrick Ewing comment from nineteen ninety nine. We make a
lot of money, but we spend a lot of money.
That's just a complete disconnect. I always say more money,
more problems, but that's just it's another guy from nineteen
ninety eighth.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
We actually have it in a like a cursive script
writing above our dining room table. This is the nice
It's not a wooden plaque, looks kind of farmhouse ranch
style that says more money, more problems.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Sure, I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, Jason
of like wanting this sympathy. I feel that if this
has been a conversation that he has had and we've
seen the drama a little bit back and forth with
Shams the agent, then pat Riley coming out of there,
and we are not trading him, and.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I think he just kind of like was saying it himself.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I get what you're saying, where it's like you're an
NBA player, you have this money, like you know I
get that, but I don't.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Think he was doing it for sympathy.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I think he was trying to tell everybody like, no,
I've been asking for this actually, and I maybe try
to keep this between closed doors, but now I'm exposing
it because I am unhappy and I feel like, if anything,
don't most of us wish we would handle the situations
where we're unhappy just like Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
That's the that's the rub of all of this. I
am not in lockstep with Monsei because I feel that
Jimmy Butler always has an angle. There is always an
angle with Jimmy Butler no matter what, whether it be
with the Bulls when him and Dwayne Wade weren't happy
with how teams were working out, whether it be with
the Timberwolves, whether it be with the Sixers, now with
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the Miami Jimmy Butler always has an angle. So there's
a reason for all of this. But to what Jason
was saying is people can't relate to the guy who's
unhappy making fifty million dollars a year. But I think
people can relate to not being happy at their job
and not necessarily knowing where to turn, or not being
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happy in a situation where you feel that you have
given your best to your company or place of employment,
and while they paid you at that time and took
the team to heights that you know as an as
an eight seed and multiple trips to the NBA Finals.
As we mentioned, it's not that Jimmy Butler feels that
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he was underpaid. I just feel that Jimmy Butler wants
to feel like he is taken care of by the franchise,
whether his whether his expectations are real, or completely out
of this world. I think that's how other people feel.
You work on a project that you bust your hump
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for for two months for your company, and it comes
out and it's you know, Gangbusters, and wow, everybody loves it.
It's great for the company, and then where are you?
Where are you after that point? And I think that
there are people that can relate to where Jimmy Butler
is and saying, yeah, cause I gave my heart and
soul for this company and have done so for the
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last so many years. All I'm looking for is my
future to be taken care of, and now they're not
there for me. I think it's a very real world
situation when you take out the numbers that you're talking about,
because I was with you, Jason, I thought they're winning.
He seems like another spoiled athlete. And then I'm like,
this just seems like a guy who maybe was frustrated
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at work, said something ownership didn't like it, and then
all of a sudden, the fracture began, and it's just
gotten wider and wider and wider. And I think people
can relate to that of him saying like, yeah, I'm
happy here in Miami. I'm just not happy in this building.
I think that's I think that is a common place
for people in this world.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Absolutely, and for him, like you just said, I don't
think you literally you're like, I'll say great for the
sake of the conversation, But I don't know if he
has ever really like gotten his flowers, aside from Heat
fans and maybe people like a few NBA fans, because
he was he did take an eighth seat all the
way to the finals. He did take the Miami Heat
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on his shoulders. We'll never forget that image of him,
you know, remember over the rail at the bubble because
he's all exhausted from the game. Like that image you'll
never forget that. And then you mentioned how he has
ulterior motives, maybe mentioning other teams.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
That Sixers didn't want him. Remember Tobias Harris over me. Sure,
Tobias Harris over me. So it's like, I think.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You are right that maybe he does want to feel
appreciated by this franchise that he has done so much for,
but maybe there's just more A little I wonder if
it is really just about money, because like, I don't
think it's a championship. You know how we talk about
certain players and we're like, they're just they just want
to go get a championship.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I don't know if that's Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I don't think it is either. I actually think that
he's got he's over appreciated.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
You think he's over appreciated.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, because we rip on guys who don't win titles.
Yet we think Jimmy Butler is amazing because he took
his team to two finals.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But Jimmy Butler doesn't have like the individual accolades that
come with players who are expect who you expect to.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Do that, Like, he's not an MVP in what he's
a six.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Time All Star and how many years like, I feel
like he's not actually appreciated for what he's done.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We don't know if he's an actual.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Greats your voice, what I'm doing, that was a little.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
That was just a little post holidays flam, Sorry for
your radio trying to sound like Dudley More. It wasn't
that the friends joke.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yes, yea more Dudley Moore.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
If we're debating on it whether he if we can
even use NBA great When it comes to Jimmy Butler's status,
I think that like we're we're putting him into a
group that we're trying to lift him up. So I
think that shows that he is appreciate, appreciated on this level.
He just doesn't feel that same appreciation within the Miami Heats.
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And then the point that was made by you know,
Charles Barkley last night and on inside, the NBA and
others of the Miami Heat didn't pay Dwayne Wade, So
why would they, Why would they feel some sort of
obligation to Jimmy Butler to overpay him and keep this
thing running. So like from the Heat side of things,
it makes sense, but it's just to me as such
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a real world problem. It is and it is when
you when you break it down of someone who's at
a job feels like they're underwhelmed and we'd love to
hear from you, is what Cavino and Rich do eight seven,
seven nine nine on Fox eight seven seven nine nine
six six three sixty nine. Is there any way that
you can relate to Jimmy Butler even if he is
making fifty million dollars a year, because I think it
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is more of a real world problem than just what
it is on the surface. Because I was right with
Jason then as I kind of tried to step back
and look at it and say, this is this maybe
isn't about the fifty million. This is just about being
wanted and being liked and being appreciated. And that's where
I think Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Butler is, yeah, and that he might be trying now
to move on from Jimmy like, you know, like kind
of like a new style of play again.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Because he's not He's not a three point shooter.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And I feel like, right now, that's what every team like,
you have to be able to shoot the three pointer,
even if like Rudy Gobert, one of the tallest dudes,
does not because he cannot shoot a three pointer.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
He's he had thirty five points in a game less
than a month ago.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Are you talking about Rudio Obert r Jimmy Butler? Oh no,
and he's gonna have thirty win in the next game,
just supro a point.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah. That so there is so there is something, there
is something there of how he fits. So this this
SoundBite of like, well, I don't know, like there's there
is some posturing there where he's trying to put himself
in this position where he does look like a victim
and saying, well, they're not they're not playing me, they're
not treating me the right way. And maybe now it's
Tyler Heroes team and not Jimmy Butler's. And if that's
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the direction the Heat want to go, that's fine. But
I mean, yeah, to sit there and complain about where
you are on the court, I don't Other other stars
don't do that. And so then we're talking about greats,
like could you imagine doing that to another to another
quote unquote great in the NBA that isn't necessarily happy
with their their role on their current team.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I mean, at this at this day and age with
the NBA, everyone is on a different page that I
could see this, which last night Anthony Edwards was like,
I'm double.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Teamed and I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's what we said last So I feel like all
of these great players are just just everyone has their
own agenda.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
If we're you know, keeping.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
It Jason taking away the fifty million dollars, do you
see a real world comparison in any of this?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Absolutely, I think I think it's a great topic. I'd
love to hear from callers, like just personally, I think
I was the least happy in my life when I
was at a job that paid me the most interesting
one in one respect, I do I do agree with
that money doesn't buy happiness. I know it's a cliche,
but it is true. But I again, I'm just going
(20:40):
to go back to this whole thing. When fans save
up their you know, their money to take a family
to an NBA game and Jimmy Butler's out there looking
like he's playing fifty percent, and after the game he says,
I'm I'm looking for my joy. I just I don't
know who could possibly relate to that, But anyways, I
want to hear a callers.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Imagine if Joel Embiid said that imagine what Philadelphia would do.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I mean, Joelle Embiid already doesn't play back to backs,
Like if he added that.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
To it, it would be here.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Here's the thing, what about like Jimmy tends to play
Like if you're going to go to a Miami he
came up until right now, he would play almost every game.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
So I just feel like this is it's happening right now.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
But I'll tell you what. There are a lot of
people who had to go to work yesterday after their
week and a half long vacation and are reevaluating things. Yeah,
they are driving home right now, be like why did
I do this the last two days? Why can't I
just leave? And that's that's the other part of it.
Like the NBA, I hate comparing real world stuff to
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NBA stuff because I don't think that a lot of
times it's apropos. But man typically cap to the people
who are just like you know what, I love photography,
so I quit my job and I just go out
and I take pictures and now I've done this like
like that leap is is prettymazing. And it's not that
Jimmy Butler wants to be a photographer.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
No, he's not doing a leap like that.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
No, but there's there's something to that about trying to
you know, change your your your passion or or I
should say, you know, dive into your passion. Jimmy Butler
doesn't have it right now. She's Monty Bolanos. I'm Dan Byer.
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it didn't necessarily do it And basically this is this
is what we've done. And I realized this during the break.
We kind of have made it an open invitation to
complain about your job. But people may not want to
(23:55):
use your real name, so you can give a fake name,
so so you can you can you or if you
just think that Jimmy Butler is crazy, you can you can.
You can talk about that as well. But I do
think that there are there's an actual real world parallel,
and sometimes with sports in the real world, there are
parallels because of the different levels that we're on. And
(24:16):
maybe people feel that because Jimmy Butler makes fifty million
dollars a year and once more, that it's not going
to fall to that parallel. I would disagree. Deandre's in Mississippi.
If that's your real name, welcome to Comno and Rich.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Yeah, I man my real name DeAndre. Hi, welcome, Thank you,
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Did you want to talk about Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Yeah, I'm a first time color for the show. Yet
I believe Jimmy. I'm not a sick I'm not. It's hooly.
He wants to get paid more money. I just think
he tripping about the way that he's going about it,
And to me, he sounds he's talking like a guy
who is the type of player that he I always
tell you I always thought he was, and the money
(25:00):
he makes for the way that he tells something, I'm
losing my joy and I want to find my habits
back and playing balla record and that's a rich people's
a sense of soult.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
I don't want to get in miss you're from the country.
Just say you don't want to be here in the
more when they see it.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That is I think where Jason Stewart was coming from
as well with Jimmy Butler. And it's difficult to look
at Jimmy Butler as a leader now in this situation.
Now again that's on the surface. To your point, there
could be underlying things. Maybe there are things set in meetings,
there are things that happened prior. Uh there's I understand
(25:39):
all that, but I just I think that to Deandre's point,
he doesn't look at it as the real world situation
when it comes to the amount of money and now
how Jimmy Butler is handling it.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And when I said I don't disagree, I mean when
I said I disagree with Jason and with DeAndre in
a sense, I do get what you're both saying. And
he like he said like maybe it was the choice
of words, right, it Maybe was trying to get a
little bit of the sympathy vote of like I'm no
longer joy using that I just want my joy back.
Maybe maybe you are right about that that he could
(26:13):
have said it a little bit differently, because that way
it does seem like he is trying to get you
maybe a sympathy vote that he.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Serves a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
He had thirty five points again, and I just the
reason I bring that up was mid December before he
was out with an illness. I'm not going to put
the illness in air quotes. So if he just out,
he's out. But he comes back and he has nine
points last night and the second night of a back
to back, and you're like, how does how does a
guy have nine points? You know, just a couple of
games after he had thirty five points in mid December.
(26:45):
That also is kind of Jimmy Butler. But I just
the Jimmy Butler that we think of, the one leading
to the to the heats, to those two NBA Finals appearances.
That doesn't seem like this Jimmy but This seems like
the selfish Jimmy Butler if you're looking at it on
the surface, I just get the I want something new
and I want something different. But the fact is is
(27:07):
if they gave him a contract extension that he felt
was his worth, he probably wouldn't be saying these things.
And the real reality for Jimmy Butler is likely gonna
come is if he doesn't get traded or does get
traded and then ends up hitting free agency and doesn't
get the contract that he wants because there's just not
a lot of money out there, especially for a player
that you say maybe outdated intoday's game and may not
(27:30):
fit considering his age, size and everything else.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, I am curious to see how this unfolds, because
you're right, like, if nothing happens, I'm wondering what team
would sign, because somebody would pick him up. He just
may have to settle for less money. But again, I
really don't find this about being winning a championship or
even about money. Maybe he just wants Maybe he just
doesn't want to work with pat Riley anymore, and like
maybe he's just like I, like you said, his attitude.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Maybe he just wants.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
To go somewhere new, which we've all been there, you know,
Like I worked at Universal Studios for too long and
I hated it by the end of it, Like I
was miserable and I was just going through the motions
because I felt underappreciated. So like I I feel like
we have all been there. It's like I just wanted
a change of pace, like a new, something new to
look at.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Is it fair too flippant to say that he's just
checked out, because I think that's what we use in
a lot of places in our real life. Of that
person has just checked out there, no longer engaged, it's
probably best for all parties if they split. Is that
too easy just to say with Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Butler, I guess I don't want to. I don't want
to say that because that almost makes it worse.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
For me if you're checked out for your argument, no,
like just my opinion of Jimmy, Like I don't I
don't want him to be checked out because, like I
feel like when you're checked out in an environment that
other people rely on you for, that sucks. And like
you know, I feel like there's certain people that in
this place that are checked out, and I'm like, you
are affecting.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Me by you being we're gonna have them on, We're
going to bring him in the sto X.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I hate. I hate so.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I I hate to think that that might be the case,
just because that just that just sucks for me being
a fanta Jimmy, that he would be checked out. And
if he is checked out, then even more so than Miami,
he should not want him there, like even more.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
You know, it's like if he if he is checked out.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Then you definitely you guys need to definitely break up.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Colla quits. It was nice while I lasted.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Mike is in South Carolina. Welcome to Covino and Rich
Mike Eppy New Year.
Speaker 10 (29:30):
Thanks Dan, appreciate it. I agree with you, Like I
think it's like, uh, you know, no matter how much
money you make, I think like, it's uh one of
those things where we forget that athletes are people, you know, yeah,
they have they have feelings too, Like you know, I
don't know. It's hard for me to say I would
(29:51):
be unhappy making fifty million dollars. But if nobody's like,
you know, listening to you, or you don't feel like
you have a you know, real you'll say in the
team anymore, you know, maybe that would make him want
to move on.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I don't know if, because then things are the call Mike.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
You appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
The part of you know, it's not a midlife crisis
sort of thing, but there is a point in your
career where to what you're saying about his skills and
who he is to what he thinks in his mind
don't match up and When you have that, I think
you have absolute conflict, and then you can never get
a real sense of what reality is in that case,
(30:28):
because your expectations of what you are are not matched
with actually what you are. And that doesn't even happen.
That doesn't even happen, by the way, just for someone
who's late in their career thinking that they can do
what they once did, there is some There is a
I'm trying to think of the word something real and
(30:48):
authentic about you realizing what your capabilities are like when
you play golf. I like to bring up golf a
lot now. Equipment has allowed the golf ball to go
a lot are there than it ever has, and guys
are getting longer off the tee the older they get
because of the technology. But at some point you're not
(31:09):
hitting the ball as far as you once did. And
so if you want to hit an eight iron, you know,
one hundred and sixty yards because that's what he used
to do, then go ahead and try when it goes
one hundred and forty, that's your own problem, you know,
like you're gonna have to deal with it. But guess what,
when you start hitting seven iron from one hundred and
sixty yards because you realize what your capabilities are. Now
(31:32):
life is a lot easier and so like in that aspect,
that's where the conflict of conflict of Jimmy Butler where
he thinks he's one thing but he actually is another
and you're really not going to be able to work
it out from there.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, it's just he has to find a place that's
not going to force him to not play his style,
which is possible. I Meanlea Russell Westbrook all of a sudden,
he's starting in Denver, and Denver is a little bit
on a winning rule, Like they're adjusting a little bit
to him, and it's like, so not that they're the
same type of player, but players that are been in
the league for a long time and have had to adjust.
(32:06):
I think Westbrook every the last couple of teams, he's
had to adjust, right, He's had to just do what
they say. And so maybe there is a little bit
of truth here where Jimmy needs.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
To if it's if it's if it's that.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
He just wants to find his joy and this isn't
just I want out of here because I don't want
to play here anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think that joy I think right now. His joy
is anywhere about Miami right.
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Prekteen in the NFL is a fast approaching a week
that I dread just I can't. I can't stand it.
Season's over with half the games don't matter. But there
are certain things that do matter, and those are certain
records in the National Football League, and one record that
appears to have withstand a challenge is the single season
rushing record or Saquon Barkley is not expected to play
(33:13):
for the Eagles against the Giants on Sunday, leaving Eric
Dickerson as the top name on the line of single
season rushing leaders with twenty one and five yards. And
Dickerson made some waves recently, some waves that you are
familiar with, Manci Belagai.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yes, in fact, we were the first wave of this,
so I co host with Steve Hartman on Saturdays from
five eastern to seven eastern. I have to think Eastern
time because we're president right here, thank you so much.
And we had Eric Dickerson on the week that SMU
played Clemson, and we started the show with him. He
called in because they're buddies, and so we chatted with
(33:50):
him specifically more about SMU, you know, and what they
were going to do in that game and moving forward.
But right before I let him go, I asked him.
I was like, hey, so, like, how do you feel
about Sequon possibly breaking your record? He's like, how do
I feel?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
I don't like it? And I was like, that's the
right answer. That's what.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Of course, who wants their record to be broken. And
then I think, like last two week, La Times or
somebody came out with the story and Steve and I
were like, that was us, Like, we're the ones who
asked him first. And he told us straight out that
he did not like it. He didn't want saquant to
break his record, and I understood. I thought that was
the right answer. So apparently, now that we know that
Saquon is not playing, TMZ has a story where he's
(34:29):
giving him his flowers saying that he's a Saquon fan,
that he never really thought he would reach his whole
potential in New York, and that he's glad to see
him in Philadelphia and that he got his two thousand
yards and it's like.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yeah, of course he's of course he's thrilled.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yes, he admitted. He says, listen, if if you're one
of those people who are fine with someone breaking your record,
then go ahead. He says, I'm not that person. Because
you do you, I'll do me. But he says he's different.
Jason has pointed out Jason Stewart, the executive producer of
The Monitary ramifications, that it could have for someone like
Eric Dickerson that may play in the reason of just
(35:06):
aside from pure ego of what it would be like
to maybe not be the single season rushing leader anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
What did we learn from that gas to know, far
of exchange from a few weeks ago, there is money
to be made in being the record holder in something. Yeah,
and he was pissed off at Brett for taking the
giving straight hand the sack. I think Eric is going
to be making more and more money as more years
go on, because there's seventeen games now, so I think
(35:34):
it does impact Eric's bottom line, and I love that
he's honest about this.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I would not want someone to break my record, and
along with not just monetary.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But like you're still brought up like at events.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Like if you're going somewhere, they're gonna be like Eric
Dickerson who holds the record, like if that changes, like
he is maybe not, you know, gonna be invited as
a as a guest for an event, a special guest.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Like there's so much to it. So I get it,
but I'm with him. I want not somebody. I don't
want someone breaking my record. Get out of here.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Should you invite Eric Dickerson to the VIP event? Does
he lead? Does he have the record?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
He's on the record. No, no, he's pulled me.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
No, she's not gonna make it. We'll bring Saquon Barkley
and instead, let's send him an invitation.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
You know, I'm telling you there's gotta be some truth
to that.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I know none of us have played professional sports, but
any record, I'm sorry, I know the saying of records
were made to be broken. I think that's just an
easy as.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Somebody who had their record broken that's that was said
by someone who had their record broken broken.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Because it would I would, I would, I would be
I would be a little salty. I would absolutely And
as ever said, I felt that Eric Dickerson doing it
when he did is more difficult than doing it now.
Teams just they don't run the football anymore. But if
you did, because everybody's trying to defend the pass of
the National Football League, so defenses aren't constructed like they
(36:58):
were in the nineteen eighties, you can have more seasons
like this. I think that Eric Dickerson probably should get
used to people challenging his record and now being brought up, which,
by the way, could be good for again Eric Dickerson
for being in the conversation right, And maybe it's going
to be a yearly thing now every December we end
up talking about this because there could be one back
that ends up challenging that mark. May not be every year,
(37:18):
but if you have a running football team, you can
do it in the National Football Legue if you commit
to it. Cincinnati, excuse me. The Philadelphia Eagles showed that
this season and it was never personal. It was never
like I'd rather have Dereck Henry break it than Saguon Barkley.
It was all just about the record.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I never took it that way totally. I'm telling you.
When he said no, I was like, that's the right answer.
Why would anybody say otherwise.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
That's what he said to the La Times.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Right, right, Ellie Times of Story.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
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Do you think Jimmy Butler is a sports baby? Do
you really think that Jimmy Butler is a sports baby?
I don't think so. I don't think so at all.
Welcome in with that tar plause.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Where's our weslay, where's a plaus?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I'm sorry, Hello.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
We love Jimmy Butler, at least I do. Here's a baby.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
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Speaker 5 (00:43):
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Speaker 4 (01:04):
Executive producer is Jason Stewart's Hello has Isaac long Kron
at the news desk nice to know that the ghost
of Keith Jackson is with us today. And Isaac, you
thought that Keith Jackson's infamous line was whoe Nelly. It
is not. It is old just just my favorite. It's
(01:32):
it's so great on so many different levels. But welcome in.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
You did like that one? That was a legit laugh.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I do it every single time too, because it's just
it's it's funny for so many reasons because it's actually
not that far off, but it's also a blast of
the past. We all love Keith Jackson, but it's also
not exactly what Keith Jackson said. So there's just the
whole Colm, It's just all gets to get together in
(02:00):
one giant, great, big ball of greatness. Yeah, that's what
it is. Anytime joy it does and I do, and
it is a it is a true laugh.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I know it is. So I'm saying it brings your joy.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Mancey lost your voice. I did see some of the
radio gods made it come back today. So she's gonna
be with us for the next two hours and shutting down.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'll just sit I'll just be here smiling at you
while you talk for two hours.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No, you're gonna be talking a lot because they're gonna
be talking about one of your favorite NBA players. Yeah,
and it's Chimmy Butler himme. Don't worry, don't worry. If
you're just listening, that won't get old at all. That's
not gonna get old at all.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
It's funny because like my uh hearing disability, uh does
this to me? Anyways, everyone sounds like chipmunks, and then
Moncey actually sounds like chipmunk today. She's Alvin the entire day.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This is the best time sound did since Tuesday. Like
I had no voice. I can't believe I actually have
a voice. And the crazy thing is like I I
have no pain, Like I don't feel bad.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I just my voice.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I'm just happened. She made it a point when
I said feel better and she's like, I'm not sick.
Like okay, what am I supposed to say? Yes, you sound.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Better, obviously I have something.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But it was like weird because everybody was like, oh no,
and I was like y'all like I, I don't have aches,
I don't have a fever.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I feel fine, but I know that I sound awful.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
For the record, I think it's more to me, more
than Alvin's the Chipmunk. Thank you so that On Tuesday,
I was here for four hours with Martin Weiss and
my voice started like this.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
By the end of it, it was pretty bad. But
they also said, Moore, is it Demi or de Me?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I think it's Demi Moore, Demi Moore.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
No, I don't know someone.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Is it Jimmy Butler or Yimmy?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
But it is Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It is Jimmy. Why do you call him yimmy? Is
that like the the is there the Spanish accent.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Of the j I'm like, my mom's my mom said Jimmy, Jimmy?
My mom?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
What do you call him yimmy?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I don't know where that came from, but I do
call him yimmy.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Do you think you're the only one?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And that's it? It's even better because he is him?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, yea, he is not him, but he does want
out of Miami. Monty is way higher on Jimmy Butler's
basketball abilities than I am.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, you're not as definitely, you're not a hater. You're
not a hater. You just don't think as highly of
him as I do.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yes, Yes, And if I did, I have hat it
would be warranted for what the he'd have done to
the Bucks in the NBA playoffs at times, So there
would be a reason. There would be a reason for that.
Jimmy Butler wants out of Miami. Made comments in the
offseason that pat Riley didn't necessarily like. Pat Riley shot back,
and it seems like that was the fracture of the
relationship between the two. I want to talk basketball, but
(04:41):
I also think that there's a bigger thing at Steak here.
There's a bigger issue going on with Jimmy Butler, and
it's something that I think everybody listening to the show
can probably relate to at some point. And that's just
right now, not being happy at your job, yep. But
I think there's a basketball conversation to have, and this
is what makes the conversation about Jimmy Butler and is
(05:05):
what he's doing right or is what he's doing wrong.
Let's hear from Jimmy Butler after last night's game and
the comments that he made in his future or possibly
like thereof in Miami with the heats.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Jimmy, how would you describe how you've felt about your
performance and focused tonight? I felt great. I feel like
I was focused. I feel like I did my job
or what at least my job is now.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When you say what your job is now, we're sort
of I used to see you standing in the corner
for extended periods like that. Is that a change in
the team approach that has cast you that way and
for you to be your best version of yourself? Can
that be your role and you thrive to the best
of your ability?
Speaker 7 (05:43):
It can be my role here, But I mean that's
that's not what I'm used to being. I haven't been
that since I don't know, my first second, third year
in the league, where I just went out there and
played defense, but I competed, I guarded. I try not
to my man score.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
But that's what I'm doing now.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, coaches in here saying he wants to get you
more on the point and get you more activated. So
is that something that you're amenable to and is that
something that might be necessary to get you back closer
to the top of your game and your form.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
That I ain't gonna fix it. What will fix it?
What do you want to see happen to fix it?
What do I want to see happy? I want to
see me get my joy back from playing basketball. And
wherever that may be, we'll we'll find out here pretty soon.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
But I want to get my joy back. I'm happy here,
uh you know, off the court, but I want to
be back to somewhat dominant. I want to hope and
I want to help the same win. Right now, I'm
not doing it.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Can you get your joy back here on the court?
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Probably not?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Okay, So a lot there to unpack, but it really
seemed to build up to the end. And we if
you're a sports fan and you heard the comments last night,
and you just the whole set there, I think on
the surface, Monzi, And if I'm getting this wrong, please
tell me. What is difficult for myself or what is
difficult for a sports fan to see. Is here you
have an NBA player in NBA. I'll call him great
(07:16):
for this argument. Okay, here's an NBA great who has
led this team to the NBA finals and on multiple
occasions and now is a part of a team while
in the playoff picture they're tied for fifth right now
in the East. He is not happy. And I think
on the surface, when you see an NBA great, I
(07:38):
immediately says one of NBA's one of today's players in
the NBA just never happy they're winning. He's not happy.
He's greedy. He wants contract extension. They're not given to him.
He's making what fifty million dollars, blah blah blah. In
other word, that's that's what I think all of this
reads on the surface. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I think that's fair. That's on the surface. But I
think it goes a little deeper.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Obviously, maybe there's been more behind closed door conversations that
we don't know about, and it's been like a built
up I think that we just don't know about. But
on the surface, you are right. I just think there's
maybe more to it. And imagine just getting this team
as far as you possibly can without winning multiple times.
Maybe he's starting to feel just like a little bit
frustrated because the game for Jimmy Butler is changing. Jimmy Butler,
(08:29):
to me, is a dying breed. The style of play
that he the style of player he is. He's not
a typical three point shooter. He's a defender. He typically
plays both ways defense and offense, but he's a mid
range shooter and now you have to shoot a three.
And so like part of me wants to believe that
he's just kind of frustrated in his situation, But I
(08:49):
don't know if he's gonna find a home that is
necessarily going to accommodate what he's looking for, just because
the style of play right now in the NBA is
very different than what he's used to, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I think I also think that his personality in who
he is makes the fit somewhere else a little more
difficult than it would be for anybody else.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Right And yeah, like his age, right Like, it's like, yeah,
like he's in a way stuck in his style of play,
and I just don't know how necessarily within his attitude, yes.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But it's also a guy who wants his own way
and feels like he should have his way and have
what he feels is coming to him because of what
he's done for the organization and because of what he
feels is his stature in the league. I find a
trade partner difficult to find on where he would exactly
fit in, not only with your explanation of the on
court limitations that you could have, but also I just
(09:42):
think locker room and leadership limitations that you would see
or possible roadblocks. If you're taking him to a contender,
that contender likely already has a leader or some sort
of leadership council or a group that they follow. How
is Jimmy Butler going to fit into that sort of group?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And like teams, I'm just using Clippers as an example.
You know, like let's say if the Clippers wanted to
go for Jimmy Butler, we would have to really trade
some valuable pieces because you know, the Heat are not
going to just let him walk away for nothing. So
like it's not an ideal such, it really isn't. And
I don't know if it really is a money thing.
(10:18):
I'm sure he can get a team that will take him,
but I just don't know what the Heat are willing
to give up or exchange for him.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
And it is going to.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Be a tough, a tough trade if it happens. I
don't see them just like releasing him or whatnot. But
the rumors that he wants more.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Years, Yeah, And I don't think that the Heat are
going to trade him for nothing for multiple reasons if
they want something in return. And I also just think
that they won't play kate to what Jimmy Butler wants.
And there's the whole principle of that. Jason Stewart's our
executive producer. I know he has thoughts on this. When
you hear Jimmy Butler say what he said, what was
your response to what the NBA great was saying last night?
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Yeah, I just I don't have the name basketball takes here.
I don't know much about basketball. I'm not going to pretend,
but the way the comments come out, so from the
beginning of the season, seemingly we've been trying to figure
out a reason why people are not watching the NBA
like they used to, like, the interest level is down.
You have current players, you have former players, you have
analysts trying to narrow this down. And I think this
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is a great example. He is seems to be, at
least in the moment, trying to seek sympathy with the
words I'm trying to find my joy in my job
while at the same time making fifty million bucks a year.
I think that's a that's a lack of self awareness.
You're not going to gain any sympathy from the people
that pay your bills or you pay your checks. I
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think it's just one of the reasons. It's like the
Patrick Ewing comment from nineteen ninety nine. We make a
lot of money, but we spend a lot of money.
That's just a complete disconnect. I always say more money,
more problems, but that's just it's another guy from nineteen
ninety eighth.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
We actually have it in a like a cursive script
writing above our dining room table. This is the nice
It's not a wooden plaque, looks kind of farmhouse ranch
style that says more money, more problems.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Sure, I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, Jason
of like wanting this sympathy. I feel that if this
has been a conversation that he has had and we've
seen the drama a little bit back and forth with
Shams the agent, then pat Riley coming out of there,
and we are not trading him, and.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I think he just kind of like was saying it himself.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I get what you're saying, where it's like you're an
NBA player, you have this money, like you know I
get that, but I don't.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Think he was doing it for sympathy.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I think he was trying to tell everybody like, no,
I've been asking for this actually, and I maybe try
to keep this between closed doors, but now I'm exposing
it because I am unhappy and I feel like, if anything,
don't most of us wish we would handle the situations
where we're unhappy just like Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
That's the that's the rub of all of this. I
am not in lockstep with Monsei because I feel that
Jimmy Butler always has an angle. There is always an
angle with Jimmy Butler no matter what, whether it be
with the Bulls when him and Dwayne Wade weren't happy
with how teams were working out, whether it be with
the Timberwolves, whether it be with the Sixers, now with
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the Miami Jimmy Butler always has an angle. So there's
a reason for all of this. But to what Jason
was saying is people can't relate to the guy who's
unhappy making fifty million dollars a year. But I think
people can relate to not being happy at their job
and not necessarily knowing where to turn, or not being
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happy in a situation where you feel that you have
given your best to your company or place of employment,
and while they paid you at that time and took
the team to heights that you know as an as
an eight seed and multiple trips to the NBA Finals.
As we mentioned, it's not that Jimmy Butler feels that
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he was underpaid. I just feel that Jimmy Butler wants
to feel like he is taken care of by the franchise,
whether his whether his expectations are real, or completely out
of this world. I think that's how other people feel.
You work on a project that you bust your hump
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for for two months for your company, and it comes
out and it's you know, Gangbusters, and wow, everybody loves it.
It's great for the company, and then where are you?
Where are you after that point? And I think that
there are people that can relate to where Jimmy Butler
is and saying, yeah, cause I gave my heart and
soul for this company and have done so for the
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last so many years. All I'm looking for is my
future to be taken care of, and now they're not
there for me. I think it's a very real world
situation when you take out the numbers that you're talking about,
because I was with you, Jason, I thought they're winning.
He seems like another spoiled athlete. And then I'm like,
this just seems like a guy who maybe was frustrated
(15:06):
at work, said something ownership didn't like it, and then
all of a sudden, the fracture began, and it's just
gotten wider and wider and wider. And I think people
can relate to that of him saying like, yeah, I'm
happy here in Miami. I'm just not happy in this building.
I think that's I think that is a common place
for people in this world.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Absolutely, and for him, like you just said, I don't
think you literally you're like, I'll say great for the
sake of the conversation, But I don't know if he
has ever really like gotten his flowers, aside from Heat
fans and maybe people like a few NBA fans, because
he was he did take an eighth seat all the
way to the finals. He did take the Miami Heat
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on his shoulders. We'll never forget that image of him,
you know, remember over the rail at the bubble because
he's all exhausted from the game. Like that image you'll
never forget that. And then you mentioned how he has
ulterior motives, maybe mentioning other teams.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
That Sixers didn't want him. Remember Tobias Harris over me. Sure,
Tobias Harris over me. So it's like, I think.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You are right that maybe he does want to feel
appreciated by this franchise that he has done so much for,
but maybe there's just more A little I wonder if
it is really just about money, because like, I don't
think it's a championship. You know how we talk about
certain players and we're like, they're just they just want
to go get a championship.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I don't know if that's Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I don't think it is either. I actually think that
he's got he's over appreciated.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
You think he's over appreciated.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, because we rip on guys who don't win titles.
Yet we think Jimmy Butler is amazing because he took
his team to two finals.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But Jimmy Butler doesn't have like the individual accolades that
come with players who are expect who you expect to.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Do that, Like, he's not an MVP in what he's
a six.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Time All Star and how many years like, I feel
like he's not actually appreciated for what he's done.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We don't know if he's an actual.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Greats your voice, what I'm doing, that was a little.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
That was just a little post holidays flam, Sorry for
your radio trying to sound like Dudley More. It wasn't
that the friends joke.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yes, yea more Dudley Moore.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
If we're debating on it whether he if we can
even use NBA great When it comes to Jimmy Butler's status,
I think that like we're we're putting him into a
group that we're trying to lift him up. So I
think that shows that he is appreciate, appreciated on this level.
He just doesn't feel that same appreciation within the Miami Heats.
(17:39):
And then the point that was made by you know,
Charles Barkley last night and on inside, the NBA and
others of the Miami Heat didn't pay Dwayne Wade, So
why would they, Why would they feel some sort of
obligation to Jimmy Butler to overpay him and keep this
thing running. So like from the Heat side of things,
it makes sense, but it's just to me as such
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a real world problem. It is and it is when
you when you break it down of someone who's at
a job feels like they're underwhelmed and we'd love to
hear from you, is what Cavino and Rich do eight seven,
seven nine nine on Fox eight seven seven nine nine
six six three sixty nine. Is there any way that
you can relate to Jimmy Butler even if he is
making fifty million dollars a year, because I think it
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is more of a real world problem than just what
it is on the surface. Because I was right with
Jason then as I kind of tried to step back
and look at it and say, this is this maybe
isn't about the fifty million. This is just about being
wanted and being liked and being appreciated. And that's where
I think Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Butler is, yeah, and that he might be trying now
to move on from Jimmy like, you know, like kind
of like a new style of play again.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Because he's not He's not a three point shooter.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And I feel like, right now, that's what every team like,
you have to be able to shoot the three pointer,
even if like Rudy Gobert, one of the tallest dudes,
does not because he cannot shoot a three pointer.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
He's he had thirty five points in a game less
than a month ago.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Are you talking about Rudio Obert r Jimmy Butler? Oh no,
and he's gonna have thirty win in the next game,
just supro a point.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah. That so there is so there is something, there
is something there of how he fits. So this this
SoundBite of like, well, I don't know, like there's there
is some posturing there where he's trying to put himself
in this position where he does look like a victim
and saying, well, they're not they're not playing me, they're
not treating me the right way. And maybe now it's
Tyler Heroes team and not Jimmy Butler's. And if that's
(19:33):
the direction the Heat want to go, that's fine. But
I mean, yeah, to sit there and complain about where
you are on the court, I don't Other other stars
don't do that. And so then we're talking about greats,
like could you imagine doing that to another to another
quote unquote great in the NBA that isn't necessarily happy
with their their role on their current team.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I mean, at this at this day and age with
the NBA, everyone is on a different page that I
could see this, which last night Anthony Edwards was like,
I'm double.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Teamed and I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's what we said last So I feel like all
of these great players are just just everyone has their
own agenda.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
If we're you know, keeping.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
It Jason taking away the fifty million dollars, do you
see a real world comparison in any of this?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Absolutely, I think I think it's a great topic. I'd
love to hear from callers, like just personally, I think
I was the least happy in my life when I
was at a job that paid me the most interesting
one in one respect, I do I do agree with
that money doesn't buy happiness. I know it's a cliche,
but it is true. But I again, I'm just going
(20:40):
to go back to this whole thing. When fans save
up their you know, their money to take a family
to an NBA game and Jimmy Butler's out there looking
like he's playing fifty percent, and after the game he says,
I'm I'm looking for my joy. I just I don't
know who could possibly relate to that, But anyways, I
want to hear a callers.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Imagine if Joel Embiid said that imagine what Philadelphia would do.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I mean, Joelle Embiid already doesn't play back to backs,
Like if he added that.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
To it, it would be here.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Here's the thing, what about like Jimmy tends to play
Like if you're going to go to a Miami he
came up until right now, he would play almost every game.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
So I just feel like this is it's happening right now.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
But I'll tell you what. There are a lot of
people who had to go to work yesterday after their
week and a half long vacation and are reevaluating things. Yeah,
they are driving home right now, be like why did
I do this the last two days? Why can't I
just leave? And that's that's the other part of it.
Like the NBA, I hate comparing real world stuff to
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NBA stuff because I don't think that a lot of
times it's apropos. But man typically cap to the people
who are just like you know what, I love photography,
so I quit my job and I just go out
and I take pictures and now I've done this like
like that leap is is prettymazing. And it's not that
Jimmy Butler wants to be a photographer.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
No, he's not doing a leap like that.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
No, but there's there's something to that about trying to
you know, change your your your passion or or I
should say, you know, dive into your passion. Jimmy Butler
doesn't have it right now. She's Monty Bolanos. I'm Dan Byer.
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How's that she's Monty Blanio. So I'm Dan Byer. We
are in for Cavino and Rich. If you're listening live
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Since you're mining for for Blue sky followers, we're trying
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Not never never heard of it. Well, we are up,
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Blue Soil. Worked at Dan Bayer you all that song? Yeah,
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We kind of have made it an open invitation to
complain about your job. But people may not want to
(23:55):
use your real name, so you can give a fake name,
so so you can you can you or if you
just think that Jimmy Butler is crazy, you can you can.
You can talk about that as well. But I do
think that there are there's an actual real world parallel,
and sometimes with sports in the real world, there are
parallels because of the different levels that we're on. And
(24:16):
maybe people feel that because Jimmy Butler makes fifty million
dollars a year and once more, that it's not going
to fall to that parallel. I would disagree. Deandre's in Mississippi.
If that's your real name, welcome to Comno and Rich.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Yeah, I man my real name DeAndre. Hi, welcome, Thank you,
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Did you want to talk about Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Yeah, I'm a first time color for the show. Yet
I believe Jimmy. I'm not a sick I'm not. It's hooly.
He wants to get paid more money. I just think
he tripping about the way that he's going about it,
And to me, he sounds he's talking like a guy
who is the type of player that he I always
tell you I always thought he was, and the money
(25:00):
he makes for the way that he tells something, I'm
losing my joy and I want to find my habits
back and playing balla record and that's a rich people's
a sense of soult.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
I don't want to get in miss you're from the country.
Just say you don't want to be here in the
more when they see it.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That is I think where Jason Stewart was coming from
as well with Jimmy Butler. And it's difficult to look
at Jimmy Butler as a leader now in this situation.
Now again that's on the surface. To your point, there
could be underlying things. Maybe there are things set in meetings,
there are things that happened prior. Uh there's I understand
(25:39):
all that, but I just I think that to Deandre's point,
he doesn't look at it as the real world situation
when it comes to the amount of money and now
how Jimmy Butler is handling it.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And when I said I don't disagree, I mean when
I said I disagree with Jason and with DeAndre in
a sense, I do get what you're both saying. And
he like he said like maybe it was the choice
of words, right, it Maybe was trying to get a
little bit of the sympathy vote of like I'm no
longer joy using that I just want my joy back.
Maybe maybe you are right about that that he could
(26:13):
have said it a little bit differently, because that way
it does seem like he is trying to get you
maybe a sympathy vote that he.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Serves a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
He had thirty five points again, and I just the
reason I bring that up was mid December before he
was out with an illness. I'm not going to put
the illness in air quotes. So if he just out,
he's out. But he comes back and he has nine
points last night and the second night of a back
to back, and you're like, how does how does a
guy have nine points? You know, just a couple of
games after he had thirty five points in mid December.
(26:45):
That also is kind of Jimmy Butler. But I just
the Jimmy Butler that we think of, the one leading
to the to the heats, to those two NBA Finals appearances.
That doesn't seem like this Jimmy but This seems like
the selfish Jimmy Butler if you're looking at it on
the surface, I just get the I want something new
and I want something different. But the fact is is
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if they gave him a contract extension that he felt
was his worth, he probably wouldn't be saying these things.
And the real reality for Jimmy Butler is likely gonna
come is if he doesn't get traded or does get
traded and then ends up hitting free agency and doesn't
get the contract that he wants because there's just not
a lot of money out there, especially for a player
that you say maybe outdated intoday's game and may not
(27:30):
fit considering his age, size and everything else.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, I am curious to see how this unfolds, because
you're right, like, if nothing happens, I'm wondering what team
would sign, because somebody would pick him up. He just
may have to settle for less money. But again, I
really don't find this about being winning a championship or
even about money. Maybe he just wants Maybe he just
doesn't want to work with pat Riley anymore, and like
maybe he's just like I, like you said, his attitude.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Maybe he just wants.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
To go somewhere new, which we've all been there, you know,
Like I worked at Universal Studios for too long and
I hated it by the end of it, Like I
was miserable and I was just going through the motions
because I felt underappreciated. So like I I feel like
we have all been there. It's like I just wanted
a change of pace, like a new, something new to
look at.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Is it fair too flippant to say that he's just
checked out, because I think that's what we use in
a lot of places in our real life. Of that
person has just checked out there, no longer engaged, it's
probably best for all parties if they split. Is that
too easy just to say with Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Butler, I guess I don't want to. I don't want
to say that because that almost makes it worse.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
For me if you're checked out for your argument, no,
like just my opinion of Jimmy, Like I don't I
don't want him to be checked out because, like I
feel like when you're checked out in an environment that
other people rely on you for, that sucks. And like
you know, I feel like there's certain people that in
this place that are checked out, and I'm like, you
are affecting.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Me by you being we're gonna have them on, We're
going to bring him in the sto X.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I hate. I hate so.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I I hate to think that that might be the case,
just because that just that just sucks for me being
a fanta Jimmy, that he would be checked out. And
if he is checked out, then even more so than Miami,
he should not want him there, like even more.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
You know, it's like if he if he is checked out.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Then you definitely you guys need to definitely break up.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Colla quits. It was nice while I lasted.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Mike is in South Carolina. Welcome to Covino and Rich
Mike Eppy New Year.
Speaker 10 (29:30):
Thanks Dan, appreciate it. I agree with you, Like I
think it's like, uh, you know, no matter how much
money you make, I think like, it's uh one of
those things where we forget that athletes are people, you know, yeah,
they have they have feelings too, Like you know, I
don't know. It's hard for me to say I would
(29:51):
be unhappy making fifty million dollars. But if nobody's like,
you know, listening to you, or you don't feel like
you have a you know, real you'll say in the
team anymore, you know, maybe that would make him want
to move on.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I don't know if, because then things are the call Mike.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
You appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
The part of you know, it's not a midlife crisis
sort of thing, but there is a point in your
career where to what you're saying about his skills and
who he is to what he thinks in his mind
don't match up and When you have that, I think
you have absolute conflict, and then you can never get
a real sense of what reality is in that case,
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because your expectations of what you are are not matched
with actually what you are. And that doesn't even happen.
That doesn't even happen, by the way, just for someone
who's late in their career thinking that they can do
what they once did, there is some There is a
I'm trying to think of the word something real and
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authentic about you realizing what your capabilities are like when
you play golf. I like to bring up golf a
lot now. Equipment has allowed the golf ball to go
a lot are there than it ever has, and guys
are getting longer off the tee the older they get
because of the technology. But at some point you're not
(31:09):
hitting the ball as far as you once did. And
so if you want to hit an eight iron, you know,
one hundred and sixty yards because that's what he used
to do, then go ahead and try when it goes
one hundred and forty, that's your own problem, you know,
like you're gonna have to deal with it. But guess what,
when you start hitting seven iron from one hundred and
sixty yards because you realize what your capabilities are. Now
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life is a lot easier and so like in that aspect,
that's where the conflict of conflict of Jimmy Butler where
he thinks he's one thing but he actually is another
and you're really not going to be able to work
it out from there.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, it's just he has to find a place that's
not going to force him to not play his style,
which is possible. I Meanlea Russell Westbrook all of a sudden,
he's starting in Denver, and Denver is a little bit
on a winning rule, Like they're adjusting a little bit
to him, and it's like, so not that they're the
same type of player, but players that are been in
the league for a long time and have had to adjust.
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I think Westbrook every the last couple of teams, he's
had to adjust, right, He's had to just do what
they say. And so maybe there is a little bit
of truth here where Jimmy needs.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
To if it's if it's if it's that.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
He just wants to find his joy and this isn't
just I want out of here because I don't want
to play here anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think that joy I think right now. His joy
is anywhere about Miami right.
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Speaker 2 (32:51):
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Prekteen in the NFL is a fast approaching a week
that I dread just I can't. I can't stand it.
Season's over with half the games don't matter. But there
are certain things that do matter, and those are certain
records in the National Football League, and one record that
appears to have withstand a challenge is the single season
rushing record or Saquon Barkley is not expected to play
(33:13):
for the Eagles against the Giants on Sunday, leaving Eric
Dickerson as the top name on the line of single
season rushing leaders with twenty one and five yards. And
Dickerson made some waves recently, some waves that you are
familiar with, Manci Belagai.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yes, in fact, we were the first wave of this,
so I co host with Steve Hartman on Saturdays from
five eastern to seven eastern. I have to think Eastern
time because we're president right here, thank you so much.
And we had Eric Dickerson on the week that SMU
played Clemson, and we started the show with him. He
called in because they're buddies, and so we chatted with
(33:50):
him specifically more about SMU, you know, and what they
were going to do in that game and moving forward.
But right before I let him go, I asked him.
I was like, hey, so, like, how do you feel
about Sequon possibly breaking your record? He's like, how do
I feel?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
I don't like it? And I was like, that's the
right answer. That's what.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Of course, who wants their record to be broken. And
then I think, like last two week, La Times or
somebody came out with the story and Steve and I
were like, that was us, Like, we're the ones who
asked him first. And he told us straight out that
he did not like it. He didn't want saquant to
break his record, and I understood. I thought that was
the right answer. So apparently, now that we know that
Saquon is not playing, TMZ has a story where he's
(34:29):
giving him his flowers saying that he's a Saquon fan,
that he never really thought he would reach his whole
potential in New York, and that he's glad to see
him in Philadelphia and that he got his two thousand
yards and it's like.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yeah, of course he's of course he's thrilled.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yes, he admitted. He says, listen, if if you're one
of those people who are fine with someone breaking your record,
then go ahead. He says, I'm not that person. Because
you do you, I'll do me. But he says he's different.
Jason has pointed out Jason Stewart, the executive producer of
The Monitary ramifications, that it could have for someone like
Eric Dickerson that may play in the reason of just
(35:06):
aside from pure ego of what it would be like
to maybe not be the single season rushing leader anymore.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
What did we learn from that gas to know, far
of exchange from a few weeks ago, there is money
to be made in being the record holder in something. Yeah,
and he was pissed off at Brett for taking the
giving straight hand the sack. I think Eric is going
to be making more and more money as more years
go on, because there's seventeen games now, so I think
(35:34):
it does impact Eric's bottom line, and I love that
he's honest about this.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I would not want someone to break my record, and
along with not just monetary.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But like you're still brought up like at events.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Like if you're going somewhere, they're gonna be like Eric
Dickerson who holds the record, like if that changes, like
he is maybe not, you know, gonna be invited as
a as a guest for an event, a special guest.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Like there's so much to it. So I get it,
but I'm with him. I want not somebody. I don't
want someone breaking my record. Get out of here.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Should you invite Eric Dickerson to the VIP event? Does
he lead? Does he have the record?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
He's on the record. No, no, he's pulled me.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
No, she's not gonna make it. We'll bring Saquon Barkley
and instead, let's send him an invitation.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
You know, I'm telling you there's gotta be some truth
to that.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I know none of us have played professional sports, but
any record, I'm sorry, I know the saying of records
were made to be broken. I think that's just an
easy as.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Somebody who had their record broken that's that was said
by someone who had their record broken broken.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Because it would I would, I would, I would be
I would be a little salty. I would absolutely And
as ever said, I felt that Eric Dickerson doing it
when he did is more difficult than doing it now.
Teams just they don't run the football anymore. But if
you did, because everybody's trying to defend the pass of
the National Football League, so defenses aren't constructed like they
(36:58):
were in the nineteen eighties, you can have more seasons
like this. I think that Eric Dickerson probably should get
used to people challenging his record and now being brought up, which,
by the way, could be good for again Eric Dickerson
for being in the conversation right, And maybe it's going
to be a yearly thing now every December we end
up talking about this because there could be one back
that ends up challenging that mark. May not be every year,
(37:18):
but if you have a running football team, you can
do it in the National Football Legue if you commit
to it. Cincinnati, excuse me. The Philadelphia Eagles showed that
this season and it was never personal. It was never
like I'd rather have Dereck Henry break it than Saguon Barkley.
It was all just about the record.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I never took it that way totally. I'm telling you.
When he said no, I was like, that's the right answer.
Why would anybody say otherwise.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
That's what he said to the La Times.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Right, right, Ellie Times of Story.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
She's Wattie Blagno's I'm Dan Byer. This is Cave and
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