April 16, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan Beyer and Ryan Hollins, in for Covino and Rich, react to Tuesday night's Play-In action, and the guys break down how the officiating was an absolute mess in Golden State. Are the top-seeded Thunder actually underdogs in this postseason? Plus, the guys dive into the standards when retiring numbers.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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really be mad if everybody got screwed?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Ryan Hollins?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Can we really be mad if everybody got the raw
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how are you on this Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm doing good, brother, My Rockets are in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Got a bit of a rivalry rekindled right Golden State
and Houston. NBA basketball is back, and I'm feeling better
than ever.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh classic Western Conference finals few years back, maybe a
little bit more than a few years back, but it
was also close.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Will Houston get the better end of it?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Some people think yes, some people think no, We're not
sitting on the fence here. There's a reason to pose
that question, and he is. You know, Ryan Hollins, TV
analyst for the Rockets broadcast in addition to his more
than a decade long career in the NBA, is alongside
me today. Find him at the Ryan Hollins on X
(01:35):
You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Ryan
Berschinger is here. Ryan Berschinger is gonna have some interesting
numbers on what Las Vegas thinks of that Warriors Rocket series.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Hello Ryan Berschinger. Day to you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Chris Purfetts on the Ones and twos, Hello Chris. Hi
and breaking the news as he always does, Isaac Lowan
cron will keep us up to date of what is
going on throughout the world of sports. Plus there may
be an appearance from Ben Howland. Know that could happen
at Ryan Hollins and later on in the show. You're
a Big three veteran as well. It's gonna be one
(02:09):
against three in the numbers game, that's what we're calling
it today. Hollins, you are taking on the team of
Ryan Berschinger, Isaac Lohan, Crown, and Chris Purfett in the
Numbers Game. And we'll explain what the Numbers Game is
a little bit later on in the show. I just
don't want anybody to have a head start already and
start to cheat. That's my main that's my main issue,
Ryan Hollins. So even you will find out later on
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what the game is about coming up next hour. But
the game that we are talking about right now transpired
last night in San Francisco, and what an ending it
was in so many ways, including this late call at
the end of the Grizzlies Warriors game on ninety five
point seven and the Warriors radio network Canar touch the
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corn five point four to go bounce past Barranton with
there's a five second call.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's a five second call. Grizzlies, they've turned the ball over. Wow.
They didn't get the ball in in time. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Indeed, how many five second calls do you remember from
your NBA career on teams you've been on, teams you've
played against. It was tough for me to remember an
actual five second call in the NBA. What do you
do any five second calls stand out, Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't know if I'm not gonna go crazy, like
first off, I'm gonna say they don't stand out. I
was gonna say my entire career, I've never had one, sure,
but I've never seen one in a big game. But
there have been a lot this year. I think Houston,
I think our guys had at least maybe three, but
like we're seeing more of those. And when it happened,
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all I could think is and maybe if I'm wrong,
forgive me Memphis fans, and I thought they played great.
They competed, not going man, Taylor Jenkins. You know that
meme of Tom Brady court and he has that look
he spins around in the chair. I could see Taylor Jenkins, yes,
watching a game somewhere and spins around. He's like, HM,
couldn't get the ball bound?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Hey, hey, Luk, who's here? I know exactly what you're
talking about. And I think a lot of people have
the same point. I think that there are also people,
Ryan Hollins, that felt, how do you call that in
that situation? Okay, how do you call that with five
point four seconds left to go in a three point
game with truly a playoff spot on the line winner
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gets to face the Rockets, the team that you call
games for the other one's gonna have to fight for
their playoff spot coming up on Friday. And so in
that situation, I think if people are saying you're calling
a five second call in that spot, I brought out
the stopwatch, Ryan Hollins. It was not a five second violation. Wow,
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it was a six point two second violation. It was
even longer than five seconds. So for anybody there to
say that the referees can't make the call in that situation,
they tried not to. They did all that they could
in that situation. I even timed it three different times
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in trying to sort out is this an actual violation.
Was this a four point eight or is this a
four point five or it was six point two? And
I don't think, like an earthquake, it's gonna be whittled
down to an actual rating. It was more than six seconds.
So the officiating last night may not have been great
in something that we can get into, but at least
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in that call, if you're gonna have a five to
second rule, when it gets to six seconds, you gotta
call it. And that's what happened last night and seconds.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You know, it's funny too. And this is what I
would teach all my inbounders. I was the guy a
lot of times because my heighten athletics. I'd guard the
inbounder in those situations. And when you're there, I would
have to count, so I would tell the referees, hey,
one thousand and one, one thousand and two, like, I'd
count out loud, so if it did come close, they
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were aware and trying to, you know, go out there
and force a turnover. So hey, man, it's it's it's
it thinks to see that. But that's why at this
time of year, a lot of times you don't practice.
You go over situational work and you go, hey, let's
work on inbounds, let's work on you know, passing. Let's
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look like all these different scenarios you really have to
go over for a moment like this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I I'm just curious. I'm actually not doing this for
a joke, haha, moment, I am actually serious. When you're
yelling it out, are you saying one one thousand or
are you just yelling one two like or one banana?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Whatever? It is?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Like, Yeah, you've.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Never one banana, two banana three manna.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, no, nobody says banana. If you count every kid
didn't play street football, right if the car coastal, you
go car time or you go one Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Two Mississippi Mississippi. Okay, that's fine, I'm good. I'm not
the only one. I need a survey. Ryan Bursing or
Chris Perphett have you ever counted one banana too banana?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I personally have never counted banana.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
But I've heard okay, you've heard my god, nod a friend.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I've had a friend who've done banana, but I've always
done Mississippi myself.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Mississippi is four syllables one one thousand is three, just
like banana is.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, how about this may be a better question. Is
it a cultural thing? What culture will we say this is?
This is?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
This is like Minnesota? What do they do duck duck
like goose? No, they do like duck duck like red
duck or something like that. It's the only state that
doesn't do duck duck goose, but they play a different game.
And I'm thinking, Isaac, you do one banana too banana?
Anybody does banana?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
No, nobody does. I'm at least they've heard of it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
How how old were you you playing with?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Look this this is nineteen eighties. It's just the syllables,
Ryan Hollinds, That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's all that it is. I did one thousand, which
is the same it is.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Several thousand, two thousand. Yeah, one banana, two banana, three man. Yeah,
that's and then you know on ten, then you can
rush the quarterback when you're playing touch football. But never never,
apparently Ryan Hollins has never, but at least yeah, crickets.
Maybe maybe it's maybe it's a geographical thing.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
As this said, the Minisota plays a different game than
duck duck goose, But I don't know what it is
because I'm not from Minnesota. But it's like duck duck,
red duck or something like that. Anyway, all right, moving on,
would you say one Mississippi or one one thousand when
you were guarding the inbounds.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Nah, just loudly yell out one obnoxiously probably even two,
one two three, and you know I would try to
even speed up, and uh, I know with the clippers
on a side in bounds versus baseline sometimes that there's
time on a clock, which you do is we watch
film and we time because a lot of times you'll
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ziper up to the top or you take the inbounder's lap,
So you get on the ball, sit in your inbounder's
lap and right about two and a half seconds you
sprint out and you try to double team that guy
jumping out and you might be able to get a steal.
But hats off in that situation for Golden State because
they had the awareness to blow that play up. And
you know, it's funny when I saw dan I don't
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know if you caught this on the ball was Steph Curry.
And Steph is not the slightest, he's not the most nimble,
but he's just one of the smartest. And he timed
that thing and I forget who was he jumped and
he took away that first raad. So hats all to
get Steph Curry not just on the offensive, but he
made to play the game on defense. Man.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It was Yeah, it was crazy. Grizzlies needed a three
at that point, so everybody is basically outside the three
point line. Jaron Jackson, I think it was the biggest
Grizzly in the game at the time that wasn't inbounding
the basketball. But you've obviously got Lukenard out there, Desmond
Baine in, John Morant, and I need some backup on
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social media. I can't be the only one at Dan
Byer on Fox. And let the Ryan Hollins know. At
the Ryan Hollins, it's just thche on the Ryan Hollins,
but we'll call it the Ryan Hollins for the sake
of this radio show. Yeah, there's Mississippi. There's one, one thousand.
There's also banana. I'm telling you there is. It's three.
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I don't know if canlope or any other three. You know,
syllable vegetable of fruit would work. But I just remember banana.
You could say really fast and then get after the quarterback.
The five second call last night not the only questionable
call in the game.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
There were a bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But that's where when I start out the show and say,
if everybody's getting screwed, how can you really be mad?
I know that the Grizzlies fans are saying foul on
Jimmy Butler. Scottie Pippen Jr. Never touched him. The Pajenski
block on Scotty Pippen Jr. On his steal that was
ultimately called a foul in that situation, so Brandon got
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the foul called on him, So that one goes the
way of the Grizzlies, the other one didn't. It may
have been a choppy night and ultimately decided by that
five second call. But I don't have a problem with
the officiating if it's bad both ways. I would only
have a problem if Golden Stake got all the calls
because they were at home and it felt like the
NBA or the officials wanted Golden State to be assured
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to move on. I didn't get the same that that
was the case last night.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
No, and I agree. I think it's just tough. And
when you got to understand, for one, before you criticize
the officials, spend your money, spend your bananas. They go
down and sit at the front row or really low
at an NBA game. I'm sure we've seen high school,
we've seen college, but when you get close to these athletes,
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you don't realize how fast and how quickly the game moves.
And I'll give you any even example, even with me
having played in the NBA seeing these guys up close
and personal for those who don't know, depending on the
arena and would oh man, I didn't even think about this.
This kind of stinks us Golden to Golden State because
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in Memphis we're down on the floor. In Golden State
we're way up high. But I say it to say
when we're up high, we have a different eyeview when
we're low. There's an adjustment. Even for us who broadcast
every single game of what it's like low. I bring
that up to say that the officials watch film too.
They have to anticipate in these playing games. These NBA
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March Madness like games are much different. So I think
for the officials they were catching rhythm last night. Now. Unfortunately,
the reality is I'm sure they felt the pressure of
what went on in those moments and they're trying to
get it right. And the thing about Draymond Green, right,
the thing about Draymond Dan, am I wrong. He's hard
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to officiate. Yes, he's one of those guys you may
be able to make a call every possession, the way
that he attacks the basketball, how physical he is, you
can probably always make a call with Draymond. And he
puts the referees in predicaments and when he fouls or
he does something that's never a foul, and you don't
want to be the guy to kick Draymond, even though
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Draymond's pretty much asking for that second technical most of
the time.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, he definitely is.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I would also say in that same breath in just
in last night's game, is sometimes is tough tough to officiate.
I know in college, he got tons of calls at Purdue.
I mean he did. He was still great, he was
all American, the whole deal. But when he was the
star player at Purdue, it's just been different. In the
NBA or even a couple of calls last night that
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he benefited from some others that he didn't. He ended
up in the first half trying to go for a
monster dunk that I thought that he was completely hacked on.
Oh yeah, and Quintin Post was not called for the
foul in that situation. So like it could go both
ways with a guy like Edie by the way he
did at fourteen and seventeen last night in the losing effort,
But yeah, I get it. Like like even on the
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pajem Ski foul, I felt like there he got all ball,
but also just to the point of even if there
was some slight wrist contact in that situation, it's a breakaway.
It's a scenario where I do think that a foul
has to be called. I did not, in any way,
shape or form, think that the referees played a role
in one team winning or lose last night. What I
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did find interesting was how Jimmy Butler seemingly carried the
Warriors for about three quarters and then Steph kind of
finished the deal. And I'm wondering on if that's going
to be a theme for them throughout because pagentios well
for you. Yeah, in the Rockets case, you're hoping not.
But Steph has got the thumb injury kind of dinged
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it up last night again. But Butler Butler. Jimmy Butler
was great throughout the entire game, but he was the
main source of the Warriors offense until Steph had that
streak where I think they said on the broadcast eleven
of fifteen at one point four Golden State and ends
up leaving them the victory, and the two of them
combined for seventy five points last night. The Warriors aren't
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going to need other people to step up. But just
in this first taste of this Curry Warrior or Curry
Butler teammate thing with the Warriors, they did a lot
of the heavy lifting last night. I don't know if
your Rockets are going to be able to break that up,
as you said, they hope not. But I do want
to bring up and Ryan bersching Are quickly because you
had numbers on this Rockets Warriors series. Hollinds, I want
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to get your thoughts on because Burschingard told me these
numbers and I was a bit surprised when I heard them.
What is Las Vegas saying about the first round playoff
series that starts Sunday night in Houston.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, I have here.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
According to you DraftKings sports book, the Warriors are favored
to win the series.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
They are minus two hundred to win the series. The
Rockets are plus one sixty five. How do you feel
about that, Ryan Hollins, I love it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I love it. Give our guys the inspiration and you
can hear it from the national media. I hope they're watching.
I hope that they're not, you know, getting complacent. Light
of fire frustrate them, you know, with young players, I
think they're going to play better. In a situation where
you're telling them what they cannot do, you know, you
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contend to get fat and happy. So again, we've seen
Seth Curry in these moments, we've seen the past of
what happened with Hugh Hoon in Golden State, and people
have never seen the Rockets in the playoffs. So I
hope that feels the physicality. I hope that feels their
initial nature. And what it does is hopefully takes away
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some of those generous man. But I think it's great.
You know, you don't want to be the team that,
oh they're gonna win. They're great, they're so good, they're
so this there so that no, no, no, no, no,
don't believe in us. I remember in Boston, man, it
was it was probably to the point of just being obnoxious.
But you would see and Dan, this happens just more
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than any other's place, right a game by game literally
the you know, the TV personalities, you'd win, Oh, man,
I got I got Boston going to win the NBA Championship.
They're so good, and Kevin Garnet this and they defended
on you lose it like, yeah, they don't have it, man,
they're old and washed up. They're not deep. So when
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you learn to see that, you learn to just lock
in and focus on your self even more. And what
would happen because of that? Whenever the media availability would
come in and I could probably tell this now because
it's a you know, we're long and done plate, Rondo
would come in, and Rondo would he would hit the
boombox and he would turn it on as loud as
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he could play it, and then KG you know, when
they would come in, you know, it was you know,
these are words I can't say, daddy byern, so he
would he was very A lot of experts says these
you know what. Don't believe it, you know, and we
we fed off of that. We lived with that. Dan.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's I've been in some locker room gamesmanship before. It's interesting.
When I first started out in broadcasting, I was covering
the Brewers and I would only I would start on
the weekends, and they never won, and I didn't realize
that music was being played in the locker room when
they won. So they won a game and all of
a sudden, music was being played. Little did I know,
Ryan Hollins, that you guys that actually used it to
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your advantage to not have to deal with us and
then have all the cussing in the background.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It's very, very and it's it's it's a it's a
it's a warlike mentality, you know. But that was you know,
and it just it just spurred us because here's the thing.
For a young guy, you know, you had success, everybody
tell you how good you are, you can start to
believe that man, and you forget these same people telling
you how good you are gonna be, Like he stinks
he can't make a free throw, he can't do these things.
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So you know, for our young guys in Houston going
to fight against you know, the former world champions in
Golden State and the great greatest shooter ever and all
those things, take that motivation, you know, and take it
into this game because if you don't come in with fire,
they will be sending you home.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Who's gonna get calls on your side? Because we know
Butler and Steph will.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Fred van Vliet, Yeah, he's a world chap.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He was the only one that I thought as well,
you know, Fred beat for championship Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
See the Golden State Warriors, right, So he's we got
a guy who's had success. We got a guy who's
seen them in the highest stages, so that that leaves
us a lot more.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Uh, opt Jalen Green will get calls.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I think Jalen is just gonna have to adjust to
the whistle, you know. And and he's a guy who
he's a guy who gets hammered. Man, he gets hammered
a lot. And and and he may not, he may
not get calls, but I think ultimately, at the end
of the day, the goal for Jalen is to be
able to play through those miscalls and see the physicality
he has to play with. And I think this year
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he's adjusted to not getting a whistle and he's done
a lot better in that aspect. So I do feel optimistic.
And that's one thing that our coaching staff has really
harped on and the mindset has been and you know,
for Houston, it's hey, how physical can we be? So
instead of just waiting for a call, our guys are initiators, man.
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And it's my opinion, it's really paid off.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I've got I've got an update.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Ryan Hollins, O G Packers fan tweets in it's Duck
Duck Gray duck in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yes, Big guys also tweeted duck duck a gray duck,
but they spelt gray differently, one with a, one with
an E. And we also have some other information coming
in EP workshop says no banana ever, it's always Mississippi
or one one thousand.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So you think that you're in the clear.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Ryan hollinds uh uh Ian tweets in can confirm we
use banana counting for two hand touch football during recess
in North Dakota.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
There it is.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But that's also what I asked. Is this a cultural.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Thing, It could be a regional thing, could be just
maybe the Upper Midwest.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Ended up using it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I think that could be the case, just like it
was for Minnesota with duck duck gray duck instead of
duck duck goose.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And you're from north central.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
North central Wisconsin. That's so yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't want to say not too far from North
Dakota because Minnesota separates us, but I think regionally wise
we'd be in the same ballpark.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So yeah, So we got feedback from North Dakota saying yes,
a thumbs up on banana. Chris purfets At Toledo, Ohioan
so he has heard of banana. While he hasn't used it,
he's heard of it. Ryan Berschinger a West Coast and
Isaac Lohenkron, our voice of reason here is giving me
the never heard.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Of it, never heard of it?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
But that's okay because we have in and out there.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
He's Ryan Hollins and them up at the Ryan Hollins
and let him know, yes, is it one one thousand
or not? Here on Cavino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio,
I'm Dan Byer. We are in for the guys as
they were in for the Herd earlier today. You can
find me at Dan Byer on Fox on X and
reach out that way. The Oklahoma City Thunder are the
number one overall seed in the Western Conference.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
What are they?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
The actual underdogs when it comes to the playoffs. We'll
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Tom and Rich Here on Wednesday and Fox Sports Radio,
I'm Dan Byer.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
He's the NBA vet.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Ryan Hollins, also the analyst for the Houston Rockets television network.
Is the Rockets get ready for a showdown with the
Warriors in the first round of the NBA Playoffs. It'll
be the final game of the Saturday Sunday Game one schedule.
It's the late game on Sunday, not topping off until
nine to thirty Eastern time to fit all those other
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games in on the Sunday schedule. At the end of
the show, I'm going to tell you what the schedule
actually means for these series, because Ryan Hollins, it tells
you a lot on on where you actually play in
those eight windows and what the league thinks of you
as a team or what the league thinks of the series.
So we're gonna break that down coming up at the
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end of the show. Plus we'll have your breakdown of
tonight's other playing games. Heat in Chicago to face the
Bulls while the Sacramento Kings are home to the Dallas Mavericks. Now,
the Oklahoma City Thunder had the best record in the
NBA this year. They're the top overall seed in the
Western Conference playoffs and they outdistanced your Rockets by sixteen games.
That was the gap between the top seed and the
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second seed in the Western Conference is Oklahoma City went
sixty eight and fourteen. Is there any chance that this
team could be an underdog.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
For the same reasons. People like to go with what
they are comfortable with, and they wouldn't be an underdog
in these first or second rounds. That's not the question.
But when you say they're coming out of the Western Conference,
there's a lot of people that are going to say,
how would they get past the Lakers? A lot of
people are the Lakers as favorites. Heck, a lot of
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people with e eve than what they saw last night,
and looks can be deceiving, and let's give Memphis a
lot more credit than they deserve. They've been in these
situations before. They haven't won, but they're a little more
seasoned than they get credit for. A lot of people
our favorite in Golden State to come out to West
are saying they wouldn't be surprised if they had enough
people are comfortable with names, So is it fair to
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say they're underdogs?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't think you're crazy when I hear it, and
I understand it. For me, I don't believe it, though, Brother.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I yeah, the record is tough to move past. I
also think that just their history is tough to move
past because here's when we look at Oklahoma City and
when we remember them being at the top or near
the top of the game, it was when Kevin Durant
and Russell Westbrook were teammates. And then we know Kevin
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Durant left via free agency, and the thunder really never
were the same, at least the same to that level.
Like there's a difference from a fifty five a sixty
win season, you know, to you know, a to a
forty win season or like this season sixty eight because
when they were going to the NBA Finals, when they
were doing their their thing in the in the early
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twenty teams twenty yeah, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, in those
seasons sixty wins the year they went to the finals,
remember it was a lockout year, they still won forty
seven games in that sixty six game season. They won
fifty nine the next year, and then they ended up
winning fifty five in what was Kevin Durant's last season there,
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and then you had a string of forty win seasons
with Russell Westbrook and then Westbrook's gone, Chris Paul comes in,
and then ultimately they bought them out. The reason I
bring that up is because the bottom wasn't as long
as we thought. Like, remember the process in Philadelphia seemed
to take like five years.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It did, it did not. For Oklahoma City. There are
only two.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Seasons they had of twenty win seasons where they were
one of the worst teams in the Western Conference. It
was in the twenty twenty twenty one season and the
twenty one to twenty two season. Then they end up
bouncing back getting into the play in a few years ago,
then last year number one overall seed, and then now
the sixty eight wins and best record in the entire NBA.
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But they didn't do it in just getting the first
overall pick every single year. You know, like there's they
make the brilliant trade to get SGA. They are able
to land chet Holmgrin. Their drafting of Jalen Williams has
been significant. He's an all star caliber player. They make
a move for Alex Caruso this offseason, plus the other
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pieces that they fit in, it's not just a we're
gonna have four top five picks. Sure it helps helps
nice to have chet Holmgrin on your team, but they
didn't build it that way, and now they've got that
treasure trove of chests. Moving forward, then I think it's
going to be difficult to really look at them if
they have any sort of success at ever being an
underdog for the next decade. But I think at this point,
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I still think they're the team that was jilted by Durant.
I think they're the team that then fell off when
Russell Westbrook left and then the team that was able
to build up from the ground. And I think people
will like that. So they may not be underdogs, but
they are a team that you want to cheer for.
And when you see what they do in their postgame
interviews and the regional network and how they gather around
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as a team and have fun with the reporter, there's
a lot to like about them. So they may not
be underdogs, but I think they're going to be the
team that people like in these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, I can definitely agree to that. And here's what
you got to understand, also, Dan, they got better. A
team that was already good got better. And when I
see what Mark Dagno did this year, they were playing
playoff defense already this season. And what do I mean
by that. There's a number of adjustments that go into
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playoff basketball. Okay, you're gonna guard this guy for the
jump shot. This guy, we're gonna double team on the block.
Their IQ defensively is off the charts. There was nobody
else remotely close in the NBA that was young enough
to get out and pressure the basketball and make the
plays that Oklahoma City made. So when I'm talking about
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Oklahoma City, I've seen it up close and personal. They
have enough defenders. They pressure you, they get up and
down the court, and you can argue and say, you know, like, well,
hey they got Shay who else is gonna beat you
other than SGA. They've got a lot of guys that
are willing to step up and beat you. Again, you
can argue, maybe the second option isn't there, and I
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would say, yeah, Jayalen Williams is gonna have to show
you that he's that guy at the at the end
of the day. But even beyond that, defensively, I think
they can really get out and give you a run
for your money. Now here's the reason that my Rockets
matched up with them. Well, they got a big that
scores inside. In the Western Conference, all the bigs are
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essentially picking pop bigs are not really dominant bigs on
the blocks where Steven Adams can out rebound you, he's
really big. Shingoon can score on the paint, and you
got to pick your poison in those aspects. But here's
the thing. You'd have who and they'll probably see him
the first round. You'd have some bonus, right, You'd have
Anthony Davis with the Mavericks, those two getting ready to
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face off, and you'll see them in the first round.
But other than that that, Houston's the only other team
in the Western Conference with a big. And if you
come out the East, it's likely going to be Boston,
who doesn't do anything inside. They play a three point game.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They swept the Grizzlies this year. So it ends up
being Memphis. It's got to be a matchup that Oklahoma
City would like to have. They've had great success over
Memphis over these past couple of seasons. It's all lining up.
They have to get to the NBA Finals. Otherwise the
narratives I think not going to change. I don't even
think the conference finals will do enough considering how great
they were this season. You've got to get out of
the West to make it to that NBA finals for
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And Rich here at Fox Sports Radio on Wednesday. I'm
Dan Byer. He's the NBA vet. Ryan Hollins also the
television analyst for the Houston Rockets broadcast. They'll start their
playoff series coming up on Sunday. You guys only do
first round right like then the Rockets advance and it's
just strictly network.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Is that correct? How it usually plays out, Ryan Hollins, this.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Is my last opportunity ever unless I do some national
broadcasts ever, because the with the new deal, to my understanding,
the regional networks will no longer have the rights because
with the new deal, they're paying a lot of money
for these national rights. So they're like, hey, we exclusively
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want the first rounds.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
So oh man, so last time for the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And thanks to Golden State winning, I've just lost the
least minimum one game we will not be doing. I
think game three goes to ABC.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Sure. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, as a well, I'm sorry, I tell you what.
You may not know this as a Bucks fan. Okay,
as a Bucks fan. One of this is a true story.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I'm not lying to you.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I'm gonna get to this also later on the show,
but I have to tell you now. One of their
games against the Pacers is on ESPN. U. I am,
I am, I am, I am not lying one hundred percent,
not lying. Scouts are on are gear. It is on ESPNU,
so amazing. Just go to Friday check. I think it's
Friday game three Bucks Pacers. Check it out in Milwaukee. ESPNU.
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That's that's where it is, all right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I know it was.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I know it was the series destined for NBA TV,
and that was not a shock. But it's it may
be like even a simulcast of NBA TV and ESPNU, but.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That's what I'd rather take that ESPNU coverage.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Oh Man, So Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter are going
to have their jerseys retired by UH Colorado and no
one will be able to wear the twelve of Travis
Hunter or the two of Shador Sanders again at Colorado
if that's that's how they choose to retire numbers. Sometimes
schools will honor previous players put a patch on it.
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Michigan used to do that with their football players, like
did have great players of the past. But if you
wore that number, you'd be able to continue to wear
that number, honoring the player that first wore it. And
then last night was it was Jackie Robinson Day in
Major League Baseball, so every player in Major League Baseball
wore the number forty two. I went to the Dodgers
game last night where they played the Colorado Rockies. Everyone
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was number forty two. Not only that, the scoreboard at
Dodgers Stadium during every at bat of every player had
a stat about Jackie Robinson, magnificent way to honor the
player that broke the color barrier in Major League baseball.
In fact, they couldn't do enough, and they did a
great job last night. But I feel like those are
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the two ends of the spectrum that we're talking about here,
Ryan Hollins, when we talk about retiring jersey numbers, there's
the Jackie Robinson forty two that no one in the
entire league is ever going to wear. And then you
have a two year stop for Travis Hunter and Shoudoor
Sanders on their way to the NFL from Jackson State
after Deon takes the job in Boulder and one ball
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appearance Travis Hunter. I am copletely on board with, and
I think most people are a Heisman Trophy winner. Absolutely
more people are questioning should or Sanders. I'm actually not
questioning whether they should have it retired or not. My
question is do we need to actually put standards in
to do this, because I look at what Colorado is doing.
Ryan is saying it's almost a recruiting tool or a
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way to try to get the best players if you're
a transfer. Look, they just retired two transfers numbers that
will now be hanging near the sidelines in Boulder at
folsom Field. There's a reason why if you were to
bring in a transfer and say, hey, that could be you.
People say that if you don't go to a school
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for four years, you're not gonna have that true you know,
former school experience that others have had. Here's your opportunity
to not only come and help us win football games,
but have your piece with this new alma mater. I'm
all for it that way, but I just wonder do
we need to put in standards when we're retiring numbers.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Men lie, women lie. Numbers don't lie. If you look
at the numbers that Shouldure brought in and Hunter brought in,
there's nothing comparable. Hey, there's nothing comparable to what those
guys have done for Colorado. They brought in so much money,
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so much notoriety. And Dan, I'm gonna give you some credit.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Man.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
You hit it right on the head. Colorado is getting
with the times and they understand here, Hey, this is
what these new kids are listening to. Even in the NBA,
the teams are understanding, hold on the players like this.
They don't like this, Oh if we do this, They're out. Okay,
we gotta get with the times. Sure, the way that
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we grew up dan maybe may have been different culturally.
You counted Bananas, I counted Mississippi, but it's completely different. Then.
The way that these kids are being brought up there.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Differ as well. For the sake of usually we don't
see like a transfer like with college. It's usually a
four or five year career. And and Travis Hunter made
the most of his two years there, and to your point,
so did shaud Or Sanders. And to my point, when
Dion got his contract a couple of weeks ago, I
actually still thought he was underpaid, even though he's making
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you know, ten million dollars a year because of what
he's done the change around the program. So if that's
gonna make Deon happy, if Dion wants to do that,
or Dion thinks it's good for the program, then you
probably should do it. You're probably going to do it.
I actually don't have a problem with it. And you're
talking to a guy who's been a college football fan
for my entire life. I understand the history for as
long as I've been alive and try to appreciate it
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even before I was born. But I just I don't
have a problem with this. At some point later on,
if somebody wants to wear two, I'll tell you what.
If there's a five star quarterback that says I want
to wear two, Dion's gonna say, hey, Shaudor, let him
wear your number two so we can bring them to Boulder.
It's not that big of a deal. He's Ryan Hollins,
I'm Dan Byer. Yes, hey, just like you'd wear let
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what somebody were fifteen. That's what you were at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Isn't that right?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Esp worn right? Now?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Okay, all right. Ryan's been to a lot of games.
I went one to went to one last night. What's
the happy medium that's next,
Hey, thanks for listening to the Cadino and Rich Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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how are you on this Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm doing good, brother, My Rockets are in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Got a bit of a rivalry rekindled right Golden State
and Houston. NBA basketball is back, and I'm feeling better
than ever.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh classic Western Conference finals few years back, maybe a
little bit more than a few years back, but it
was also close.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Will Houston get the better end of it?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Some people think yes, some people think no, We're not
sitting on the fence here. There's a reason to pose
that question, and he is. You know, Ryan Hollins, TV
analyst for the Rockets broadcast in addition to his more
than a decade long career in the NBA, is alongside
me today. Find him at the Ryan Hollins on X
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You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Ryan
Berschinger is here. Ryan Berschinger is gonna have some interesting
numbers on what Las Vegas thinks of that Warriors Rocket series.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Hello Ryan Berschinger. Day to you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Chris Purfetts on the Ones and twos, Hello Chris. Hi
and breaking the news as he always does, Isaac Lowan
cron will keep us up to date of what is
going on throughout the world of sports. Plus there may
be an appearance from Ben Howland. Know that could happen
at Ryan Hollins and later on in the show. You're
a Big three veteran as well. It's gonna be one
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against three in the numbers game, that's what we're calling
it today. Hollins, you are taking on the team of
Ryan Berschinger, Isaac Lohan, Crown, and Chris Purfett in the
Numbers Game. And we'll explain what the Numbers Game is
a little bit later on in the show. I just
don't want anybody to have a head start already and
start to cheat. That's my main that's my main issue,
Ryan Hollins. So even you will find out later on
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what the game is about coming up next hour. But
the game that we are talking about right now transpired
last night in San Francisco, and what an ending it
was in so many ways, including this late call at
the end of the Grizzlies Warriors game on ninety five
point seven and the Warriors radio network Canar touch the
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corn five point four to go bounce past Barranton with
there's a five second call.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's a five second call. Grizzlies, they've turned the ball over. Wow.
They didn't get the ball in in time. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Indeed, how many five second calls do you remember from
your NBA career on teams you've been on, teams you've
played against. It was tough for me to remember an
actual five second call in the NBA. What do you
do any five second calls stand out, Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't know if I'm not gonna go crazy, like
first off, I'm gonna say they don't stand out. I
was gonna say my entire career, I've never had one, sure,
but I've never seen one in a big game. But
there have been a lot this year. I think Houston,
I think our guys had at least maybe three, but
like we're seeing more of those. And when it happened,
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all I could think is and maybe if I'm wrong,
forgive me Memphis fans, and I thought they played great.
They competed, not going man, Taylor Jenkins. You know that
meme of Tom Brady court and he has that look
he spins around in the chair. I could see Taylor Jenkins, yes,
watching a game somewhere and spins around. He's like, HM,
couldn't get the ball bound?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Hey, hey, Luk, who's here? I know exactly what you're
talking about. And I think a lot of people have
the same point. I think that there are also people,
Ryan Hollins, that felt, how do you call that in
that situation? Okay, how do you call that with five
point four seconds left to go in a three point
game with truly a playoff spot on the line winner
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gets to face the Rockets, the team that you call
games for the other one's gonna have to fight for
their playoff spot coming up on Friday. And so in
that situation, I think if people are saying you're calling
a five second call in that spot, I brought out
the stopwatch, Ryan Hollins. It was not a five second violation. Wow,
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it was a six point two second violation. It was
even longer than five seconds. So for anybody there to
say that the referees can't make the call in that situation,
they tried not to. They did all that they could
in that situation. I even timed it three different times
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in trying to sort out is this an actual violation.
Was this a four point eight or is this a
four point five or it was six point two? And
I don't think, like an earthquake, it's gonna be whittled
down to an actual rating. It was more than six seconds.
So the officiating last night may not have been great
in something that we can get into, but at least
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in that call, if you're gonna have a five to
second rule, when it gets to six seconds, you gotta
call it. And that's what happened last night and seconds.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You know, it's funny too. And this is what I
would teach all my inbounders. I was the guy a
lot of times because my heighten athletics. I'd guard the
inbounder in those situations. And when you're there, I would
have to count, so I would tell the referees, hey,
one thousand and one, one thousand and two, like, I'd
count out loud, so if it did come close, they
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were aware and trying to, you know, go out there
and force a turnover. So hey, man, it's it's it's
it thinks to see that. But that's why at this
time of year, a lot of times you don't practice.
You go over situational work and you go, hey, let's
work on inbounds, let's work on you know, passing. Let's
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look like all these different scenarios you really have to
go over for a moment like this.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I I'm just curious. I'm actually not doing this for
a joke, haha, moment, I am actually serious. When you're
yelling it out, are you saying one one thousand or
are you just yelling one two like or one banana?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Whatever? It is?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Like, Yeah, you've.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Never one banana, two banana three manna.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, no, nobody says banana. If you count every kid
didn't play street football, right if the car coastal, you
go car time or you go one Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Two Mississippi Mississippi. Okay, that's fine, I'm good. I'm not
the only one. I need a survey. Ryan Bursing or
Chris Perphett have you ever counted one banana too banana?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I personally have never counted banana.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
But I've heard okay, you've heard my god, nod a friend.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I've had a friend who've done banana, but I've always
done Mississippi myself.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Mississippi is four syllables one one thousand is three, just
like banana is.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, how about this may be a better question. Is
it a cultural thing? What culture will we say this is?
This is?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
This is like Minnesota? What do they do duck duck
like goose? No, they do like duck duck like red
duck or something like that. It's the only state that
doesn't do duck duck goose, but they play a different game.
And I'm thinking, Isaac, you do one banana too banana?
Anybody does banana?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
No, nobody does. I'm at least they've heard of it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
How how old were you you playing with?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Look this this is nineteen eighties. It's just the syllables,
Ryan Hollinds, That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's all that it is. I did one thousand, which
is the same it is.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Several thousand, two thousand. Yeah, one banana, two banana, three man. Yeah,
that's and then you know on ten, then you can
rush the quarterback when you're playing touch football. But never never,
apparently Ryan Hollins has never, but at least yeah, crickets.
Maybe maybe it's maybe it's a geographical thing.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
As this said, the Minisota plays a different game than
duck duck goose, But I don't know what it is
because I'm not from Minnesota. But it's like duck duck,
red duck or something like that. Anyway, all right, moving on,
would you say one Mississippi or one one thousand when
you were guarding the inbounds.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Nah, just loudly yell out one obnoxiously probably even two,
one two three, and you know I would try to
even speed up, and uh, I know with the clippers
on a side in bounds versus baseline sometimes that there's
time on a clock, which you do is we watch
film and we time because a lot of times you'll
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ziper up to the top or you take the inbounder's lap,
So you get on the ball, sit in your inbounder's
lap and right about two and a half seconds you
sprint out and you try to double team that guy
jumping out and you might be able to get a steal.
But hats off in that situation for Golden State because
they had the awareness to blow that play up. And
you know, it's funny when I saw dan I don't
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know if you caught this on the ball was Steph Curry.
And Steph is not the slightest, he's not the most nimble,
but he's just one of the smartest. And he timed
that thing and I forget who was he jumped and
he took away that first raad. So hats all to
get Steph Curry not just on the offensive, but he
made to play the game on defense. Man.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It was Yeah, it was crazy. Grizzlies needed a three
at that point, so everybody is basically outside the three
point line. Jaron Jackson, I think it was the biggest
Grizzly in the game at the time that wasn't inbounding
the basketball. But you've obviously got Lukenard out there, Desmond
Baine in, John Morant, and I need some backup on
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social media. I can't be the only one at Dan
Byer on Fox. And let the Ryan Hollins know. At
the Ryan Hollins, it's just thche on the Ryan Hollins,
but we'll call it the Ryan Hollins for the sake
of this radio show. Yeah, there's Mississippi. There's one, one thousand.
There's also banana. I'm telling you there is. It's three.
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I don't know if canlope or any other three. You know,
syllable vegetable of fruit would work. But I just remember banana.
You could say really fast and then get after the quarterback.
The five second call last night not the only questionable
call in the game.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
There were a bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But that's where when I start out the show and say,
if everybody's getting screwed, how can you really be mad?
I know that the Grizzlies fans are saying foul on
Jimmy Butler. Scottie Pippen Jr. Never touched him. The Pajenski
block on Scotty Pippen Jr. On his steal that was
ultimately called a foul in that situation, so Brandon got
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the foul called on him, So that one goes the
way of the Grizzlies, the other one didn't. It may
have been a choppy night and ultimately decided by that
five second call. But I don't have a problem with
the officiating if it's bad both ways. I would only
have a problem if Golden Stake got all the calls
because they were at home and it felt like the
NBA or the officials wanted Golden State to be assured
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to move on. I didn't get the same that that
was the case last night.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
No, and I agree. I think it's just tough. And
when you got to understand, for one, before you criticize
the officials, spend your money, spend your bananas. They go
down and sit at the front row or really low
at an NBA game. I'm sure we've seen high school,
we've seen college, but when you get close to these athletes,
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you don't realize how fast and how quickly the game moves.
And I'll give you any even example, even with me
having played in the NBA seeing these guys up close
and personal for those who don't know, depending on the
arena and would oh man, I didn't even think about this.
This kind of stinks us Golden to Golden State because
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in Memphis we're down on the floor. In Golden State
we're way up high. But I say it to say
when we're up high, we have a different eyeview when
we're low. There's an adjustment. Even for us who broadcast
every single game of what it's like low. I bring
that up to say that the officials watch film too.
They have to anticipate in these playing games. These NBA
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March Madness like games are much different. So I think
for the officials they were catching rhythm last night. Now. Unfortunately,
the reality is I'm sure they felt the pressure of
what went on in those moments and they're trying to
get it right. And the thing about Draymond Green, right,
the thing about Draymond Dan, am I wrong. He's hard
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to officiate. Yes, he's one of those guys you may
be able to make a call every possession, the way
that he attacks the basketball, how physical he is, you
can probably always make a call with Draymond. And he
puts the referees in predicaments and when he fouls or
he does something that's never a foul, and you don't
want to be the guy to kick Draymond, even though
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Draymond's pretty much asking for that second technical most of
the time.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, he definitely is.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I would also say in that same breath in just
in last night's game, is sometimes is tough tough to officiate.
I know in college, he got tons of calls at Purdue.
I mean he did. He was still great, he was
all American, the whole deal. But when he was the
star player at Purdue, it's just been different. In the
NBA or even a couple of calls last night that
(14:18):
he benefited from some others that he didn't. He ended
up in the first half trying to go for a
monster dunk that I thought that he was completely hacked on.
Oh yeah, and Quintin Post was not called for the
foul in that situation. So like it could go both
ways with a guy like Edie by the way he
did at fourteen and seventeen last night in the losing effort,
But yeah, I get it. Like like even on the
(14:40):
pajem Ski foul, I felt like there he got all ball,
but also just to the point of even if there
was some slight wrist contact in that situation, it's a breakaway.
It's a scenario where I do think that a foul
has to be called. I did not, in any way,
shape or form, think that the referees played a role
in one team winning or lose last night. What I
(15:01):
did find interesting was how Jimmy Butler seemingly carried the
Warriors for about three quarters and then Steph kind of
finished the deal. And I'm wondering on if that's going
to be a theme for them throughout because pagentios well
for you. Yeah, in the Rockets case, you're hoping not.
But Steph has got the thumb injury kind of dinged
(15:22):
it up last night again. But Butler Butler. Jimmy Butler
was great throughout the entire game, but he was the
main source of the Warriors offense until Steph had that
streak where I think they said on the broadcast eleven
of fifteen at one point four Golden State and ends
up leaving them the victory, and the two of them
combined for seventy five points last night. The Warriors aren't
(15:44):
going to need other people to step up. But just
in this first taste of this Curry Warrior or Curry
Butler teammate thing with the Warriors, they did a lot
of the heavy lifting last night. I don't know if
your Rockets are going to be able to break that up,
as you said, they hope not. But I do want
to bring up and Ryan bersching Are quickly because you
had numbers on this Rockets Warriors series. Hollinds, I want
(16:04):
to get your thoughts on because Burschingard told me these
numbers and I was a bit surprised when I heard them.
What is Las Vegas saying about the first round playoff
series that starts Sunday night in Houston.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, I have here.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
According to you DraftKings sports book, the Warriors are favored
to win the series.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
They are minus two hundred to win the series. The
Rockets are plus one sixty five. How do you feel
about that, Ryan Hollins, I love it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I love it. Give our guys the inspiration and you
can hear it from the national media. I hope they're watching.
I hope that they're not, you know, getting complacent. Light
of fire frustrate them, you know, with young players, I
think they're going to play better. In a situation where
you're telling them what they cannot do, you know, you
(16:51):
contend to get fat and happy. So again, we've seen
Seth Curry in these moments, we've seen the past of
what happened with Hugh Hoon in Golden State, and people
have never seen the Rockets in the playoffs. So I
hope that feels the physicality. I hope that feels their
initial nature. And what it does is hopefully takes away
(17:11):
some of those generous man. But I think it's great.
You know, you don't want to be the team that,
oh they're gonna win. They're great, they're so good, they're
so this there so that no, no, no, no, no,
don't believe in us. I remember in Boston, man, it
was it was probably to the point of just being obnoxious.
But you would see and Dan, this happens just more
(17:33):
than any other's place, right a game by game literally
the you know, the TV personalities, you'd win, Oh, man,
I got I got Boston going to win the NBA Championship.
They're so good, and Kevin Garnet this and they defended
on you lose it like, yeah, they don't have it, man,
they're old and washed up. They're not deep. So when
(17:55):
you learn to see that, you learn to just lock
in and focus on your self even more. And what
would happen because of that? Whenever the media availability would
come in and I could probably tell this now because
it's a you know, we're long and done plate, Rondo
would come in, and Rondo would he would hit the
boombox and he would turn it on as loud as
(18:19):
he could play it, and then KG you know, when
they would come in, you know, it was you know,
these are words I can't say, daddy byern, so he
would he was very A lot of experts says these
you know what. Don't believe it, you know, and we
we fed off of that. We lived with that. Dan.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's I've been in some locker room gamesmanship before. It's interesting.
When I first started out in broadcasting, I was covering
the Brewers and I would only I would start on
the weekends, and they never won, and I didn't realize
that music was being played in the locker room when
they won. So they won a game and all of
a sudden, music was being played. Little did I know,
Ryan Hollins, that you guys that actually used it to
(19:03):
your advantage to not have to deal with us and
then have all the cussing in the background.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It's very, very and it's it's it's a it's a
it's a warlike mentality, you know. But that was you know,
and it just it just spurred us because here's the thing.
For a young guy, you know, you had success, everybody
tell you how good you are, you can start to
believe that man, and you forget these same people telling
you how good you are gonna be, Like he stinks
he can't make a free throw, he can't do these things.
(19:31):
So you know, for our young guys in Houston going
to fight against you know, the former world champions in
Golden State and the great greatest shooter ever and all
those things, take that motivation, you know, and take it
into this game because if you don't come in with fire,
they will be sending you home.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Who's gonna get calls on your side? Because we know
Butler and Steph will.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Fred van Vliet, Yeah, he's a world chap.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He was the only one that I thought as well,
you know, Fred beat for championship Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
See the Golden State Warriors, right, So he's we got
a guy who's had success. We got a guy who's
seen them in the highest stages, so that that leaves
us a lot more.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Uh, opt Jalen Green will get calls.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I think Jalen is just gonna have to adjust to
the whistle, you know. And and he's a guy who
he's a guy who gets hammered. Man, he gets hammered
a lot. And and and he may not, he may
not get calls, but I think ultimately, at the end
of the day, the goal for Jalen is to be
able to play through those miscalls and see the physicality
he has to play with. And I think this year
(20:37):
he's adjusted to not getting a whistle and he's done
a lot better in that aspect. So I do feel optimistic.
And that's one thing that our coaching staff has really
harped on and the mindset has been and you know,
for Houston, it's hey, how physical can we be? So
instead of just waiting for a call, our guys are initiators, man.
(20:58):
And it's my opinion, it's really paid off.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I've got I've got an update.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Ryan Hollins, O G Packers fan tweets in it's Duck
Duck Gray duck in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yes, Big guys also tweeted duck duck a gray duck,
but they spelt gray differently, one with a, one with
an E. And we also have some other information coming
in EP workshop says no banana ever, it's always Mississippi
or one one thousand.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So you think that you're in the clear.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Ryan hollinds uh uh Ian tweets in can confirm we
use banana counting for two hand touch football during recess
in North Dakota.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
There it is.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But that's also what I asked. Is this a cultural.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Thing, It could be a regional thing, could be just
maybe the Upper Midwest.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Ended up using it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I think that could be the case, just like it
was for Minnesota with duck duck gray duck instead of
duck duck goose.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And you're from north central.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
North central Wisconsin. That's so yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't want to say not too far from North
Dakota because Minnesota separates us, but I think regionally wise
we'd be in the same ballpark.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So yeah, So we got feedback from North Dakota saying yes,
a thumbs up on banana. Chris purfets At Toledo, Ohioan
so he has heard of banana. While he hasn't used it,
he's heard of it. Ryan Berschinger a West Coast and
Isaac Lohenkron, our voice of reason here is giving me
the never heard.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Of it, never heard of it?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
But that's okay because we have in and out there.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
He's Ryan Hollins and them up at the Ryan Hollins
and let him know, yes, is it one one thousand
or not? Here on Cavino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio,
I'm Dan Byer. We are in for the guys as
they were in for the Herd earlier today. You can
find me at Dan Byer on Fox on X and
reach out that way. The Oklahoma City Thunder are the
number one overall seed in the Western Conference.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
What are they?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
The actual underdogs when it comes to the playoffs. We'll
talk about it next year. On Fox Sports Radio.
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Tom and Rich Here on Wednesday and Fox Sports Radio,
I'm Dan Byer.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
He's the NBA vet.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Ryan Hollins, also the analyst for the Houston Rockets television network.
Is the Rockets get ready for a showdown with the
Warriors in the first round of the NBA Playoffs. It'll
be the final game of the Saturday Sunday Game one schedule.
It's the late game on Sunday, not topping off until
nine to thirty Eastern time to fit all those other
(23:43):
games in on the Sunday schedule. At the end of
the show, I'm going to tell you what the schedule
actually means for these series, because Ryan Hollins, it tells
you a lot on on where you actually play in
those eight windows and what the league thinks of you
as a team or what the league thinks of the series.
So we're gonna break that down coming up at the
(24:05):
end of the show. Plus we'll have your breakdown of
tonight's other playing games. Heat in Chicago to face the
Bulls while the Sacramento Kings are home to the Dallas Mavericks. Now,
the Oklahoma City Thunder had the best record in the
NBA this year. They're the top overall seed in the
Western Conference playoffs and they outdistanced your Rockets by sixteen games.
That was the gap between the top seed and the
(24:27):
second seed in the Western Conference is Oklahoma City went
sixty eight and fourteen. Is there any chance that this
team could be an underdog.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
For the same reasons. People like to go with what
they are comfortable with, and they wouldn't be an underdog
in these first or second rounds. That's not the question.
But when you say they're coming out of the Western Conference,
there's a lot of people that are going to say,
how would they get past the Lakers? A lot of
people are the Lakers as favorites. Heck, a lot of
(24:59):
people with e eve than what they saw last night,
and looks can be deceiving, and let's give Memphis a
lot more credit than they deserve. They've been in these
situations before. They haven't won, but they're a little more
seasoned than they get credit for. A lot of people
our favorite in Golden State to come out to West
are saying they wouldn't be surprised if they had enough
people are comfortable with names, So is it fair to
(25:23):
say they're underdogs?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't think you're crazy when I hear it, and
I understand it. For me, I don't believe it, though, Brother.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I yeah, the record is tough to move past. I
also think that just their history is tough to move
past because here's when we look at Oklahoma City and
when we remember them being at the top or near
the top of the game, it was when Kevin Durant
and Russell Westbrook were teammates. And then we know Kevin
(25:53):
Durant left via free agency, and the thunder really never
were the same, at least the same to that level.
Like there's a difference from a fifty five a sixty
win season, you know, to you know, a to a
forty win season or like this season sixty eight because
when they were going to the NBA Finals, when they
were doing their their thing in the in the early
(26:16):
twenty teams twenty yeah, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, in those
seasons sixty wins the year they went to the finals,
remember it was a lockout year, they still won forty
seven games in that sixty six game season. They won
fifty nine the next year, and then they ended up
winning fifty five in what was Kevin Durant's last season there,
(26:37):
and then you had a string of forty win seasons
with Russell Westbrook and then Westbrook's gone, Chris Paul comes in,
and then ultimately they bought them out. The reason I
bring that up is because the bottom wasn't as long
as we thought. Like, remember the process in Philadelphia seemed
to take like five years.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It did, it did not. For Oklahoma City. There are
only two.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Seasons they had of twenty win seasons where they were
one of the worst teams in the Western Conference. It
was in the twenty twenty twenty one season and the
twenty one to twenty two season. Then they end up
bouncing back getting into the play in a few years ago,
then last year number one overall seed, and then now
the sixty eight wins and best record in the entire NBA.
(27:24):
But they didn't do it in just getting the first
overall pick every single year. You know, like there's they
make the brilliant trade to get SGA. They are able
to land chet Holmgrin. Their drafting of Jalen Williams has
been significant. He's an all star caliber player. They make
a move for Alex Caruso this offseason, plus the other
(27:46):
pieces that they fit in, it's not just a we're
gonna have four top five picks. Sure it helps helps
nice to have chet Holmgrin on your team, but they
didn't build it that way, and now they've got that
treasure trove of chests. Moving forward, then I think it's
going to be difficult to really look at them if
they have any sort of success at ever being an
underdog for the next decade. But I think at this point,
(28:08):
I still think they're the team that was jilted by Durant.
I think they're the team that then fell off when
Russell Westbrook left and then the team that was able
to build up from the ground. And I think people
will like that. So they may not be underdogs, but
they are a team that you want to cheer for.
And when you see what they do in their postgame
interviews and the regional network and how they gather around
(28:28):
as a team and have fun with the reporter, there's
a lot to like about them. So they may not
be underdogs, but I think they're going to be the
team that people like in these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, I can definitely agree to that. And here's what
you got to understand, also, Dan, they got better. A
team that was already good got better. And when I
see what Mark Dagno did this year, they were playing
playoff defense already this season. And what do I mean
by that. There's a number of adjustments that go into
(28:58):
playoff basketball. Okay, you're gonna guard this guy for the
jump shot. This guy, we're gonna double team on the block.
Their IQ defensively is off the charts. There was nobody
else remotely close in the NBA that was young enough
to get out and pressure the basketball and make the
plays that Oklahoma City made. So when I'm talking about
(29:19):
Oklahoma City, I've seen it up close and personal. They
have enough defenders. They pressure you, they get up and
down the court, and you can argue and say, you know, like, well,
hey they got Shay who else is gonna beat you
other than SGA. They've got a lot of guys that
are willing to step up and beat you. Again, you
can argue, maybe the second option isn't there, and I
(29:40):
would say, yeah, Jayalen Williams is gonna have to show
you that he's that guy at the at the end
of the day. But even beyond that, defensively, I think
they can really get out and give you a run
for your money. Now here's the reason that my Rockets
matched up with them. Well, they got a big that
scores inside. In the Western Conference, all the bigs are
(30:01):
essentially picking pop bigs are not really dominant bigs on
the blocks where Steven Adams can out rebound you, he's
really big. Shingoon can score on the paint, and you
got to pick your poison in those aspects. But here's
the thing. You'd have who and they'll probably see him
the first round. You'd have some bonus, right, You'd have
Anthony Davis with the Mavericks, those two getting ready to
(30:24):
face off, and you'll see them in the first round.
But other than that that, Houston's the only other team
in the Western Conference with a big. And if you
come out the East, it's likely going to be Boston,
who doesn't do anything inside. They play a three point game.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They swept the Grizzlies this year. So it ends up
being Memphis. It's got to be a matchup that Oklahoma
City would like to have. They've had great success over
Memphis over these past couple of seasons. It's all lining up.
They have to get to the NBA Finals. Otherwise the
narratives I think not going to change. I don't even
think the conference finals will do enough considering how great
they were this season. You've got to get out of
the West to make it to that NBA finals for
(30:58):
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And Rich here at Fox Sports Radio on Wednesday. I'm
Dan Byer. He's the NBA vet. Ryan Hollins also the
television analyst for the Houston Rockets broadcast. They'll start their
playoff series coming up on Sunday. You guys only do
first round right like then the Rockets advance and it's
just strictly network.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Is that correct? How it usually plays out, Ryan Hollins, this.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Is my last opportunity ever unless I do some national
broadcasts ever, because the with the new deal, to my understanding,
the regional networks will no longer have the rights because
with the new deal, they're paying a lot of money
for these national rights. So they're like, hey, we exclusively
(32:15):
want the first rounds.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
So oh man, so last time for the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And thanks to Golden State winning, I've just lost the
least minimum one game we will not be doing. I
think game three goes to ABC.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Sure. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, as a well, I'm sorry, I tell you what.
You may not know this as a Bucks fan. Okay,
as a Bucks fan. One of this is a true story.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I'm not lying to you.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I'm gonna get to this also later on the show,
but I have to tell you now. One of their
games against the Pacers is on ESPN. U. I am,
I am, I am, I am not lying one hundred percent,
not lying. Scouts are on are gear. It is on ESPNU,
so amazing. Just go to Friday check. I think it's
Friday game three Bucks Pacers. Check it out in Milwaukee. ESPNU.
(33:10):
That's that's where it is, all right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I know it was.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I know it was the series destined for NBA TV,
and that was not a shock. But it's it may
be like even a simulcast of NBA TV and ESPNU, but.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That's what I'd rather take that ESPNU coverage.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Oh Man, So Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter are going
to have their jerseys retired by UH Colorado and no
one will be able to wear the twelve of Travis
Hunter or the two of Shador Sanders again at Colorado
if that's that's how they choose to retire numbers. Sometimes
schools will honor previous players put a patch on it.
(33:51):
Michigan used to do that with their football players, like
did have great players of the past. But if you
wore that number, you'd be able to continue to wear
that number, honoring the player that first wore it. And
then last night was it was Jackie Robinson Day in
Major League Baseball, so every player in Major League Baseball
wore the number forty two. I went to the Dodgers
game last night where they played the Colorado Rockies. Everyone
(34:13):
was number forty two. Not only that, the scoreboard at
Dodgers Stadium during every at bat of every player had
a stat about Jackie Robinson, magnificent way to honor the
player that broke the color barrier in Major League baseball.
In fact, they couldn't do enough, and they did a
great job last night. But I feel like those are
(34:34):
the two ends of the spectrum that we're talking about here,
Ryan Hollins, when we talk about retiring jersey numbers, there's
the Jackie Robinson forty two that no one in the
entire league is ever going to wear. And then you
have a two year stop for Travis Hunter and Shoudoor
Sanders on their way to the NFL from Jackson State
after Deon takes the job in Boulder and one ball
(34:57):
appearance Travis Hunter. I am copletely on board with, and
I think most people are a Heisman Trophy winner. Absolutely
more people are questioning should or Sanders. I'm actually not
questioning whether they should have it retired or not. My
question is do we need to actually put standards in
to do this, because I look at what Colorado is doing.
Ryan is saying it's almost a recruiting tool or a
(35:20):
way to try to get the best players if you're
a transfer. Look, they just retired two transfers numbers that
will now be hanging near the sidelines in Boulder at
folsom Field. There's a reason why if you were to
bring in a transfer and say, hey, that could be you.
People say that if you don't go to a school
(35:40):
for four years, you're not gonna have that true you know,
former school experience that others have had. Here's your opportunity
to not only come and help us win football games,
but have your piece with this new alma mater. I'm
all for it that way, but I just wonder do
we need to put in standards when we're retiring numbers.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Men lie, women lie. Numbers don't lie. If you look
at the numbers that Shouldure brought in and Hunter brought in,
there's nothing comparable. Hey, there's nothing comparable to what those
guys have done for Colorado. They brought in so much money,
(36:22):
so much notoriety. And Dan, I'm gonna give you some credit.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Man.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
You hit it right on the head. Colorado is getting
with the times and they understand here, Hey, this is
what these new kids are listening to. Even in the NBA,
the teams are understanding, hold on the players like this.
They don't like this, Oh if we do this, They're out. Okay,
we gotta get with the times. Sure, the way that
(36:48):
we grew up dan maybe may have been different culturally.
You counted Bananas, I counted Mississippi, but it's completely different. Then.
The way that these kids are being brought up there.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Differ as well. For the sake of usually we don't
see like a transfer like with college. It's usually a
four or five year career. And and Travis Hunter made
the most of his two years there, and to your point,
so did shaud Or Sanders. And to my point, when
Dion got his contract a couple of weeks ago, I
actually still thought he was underpaid, even though he's making
(37:20):
you know, ten million dollars a year because of what
he's done the change around the program. So if that's
gonna make Deon happy, if Dion wants to do that,
or Dion thinks it's good for the program, then you
probably should do it. You're probably going to do it.
I actually don't have a problem with it. And you're
talking to a guy who's been a college football fan
for my entire life. I understand the history for as
long as I've been alive and try to appreciate it
(37:41):
even before I was born. But I just I don't
have a problem with this. At some point later on,
if somebody wants to wear two, I'll tell you what.
If there's a five star quarterback that says I want
to wear two, Dion's gonna say, hey, Shaudor, let him
wear your number two so we can bring them to Boulder.
It's not that big of a deal. He's Ryan Hollins,
I'm Dan Byer. Yes, hey, just like you'd wear let
(38:02):
what somebody were fifteen. That's what you were at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Isn't that right?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Esp worn right? Now?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Okay, all right. Ryan's been to a lot of games.
I went one to went to one last night. What's
the happy medium that's next,
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