July 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Dan and Monse in for C&R as they talk about the MLB All-Star selections and how to address all of the snub talk in the media. Dan and Monse discuss some of the details from an upcoming book about Caitlin Clark and the WNBA. Plus, Monse and Dan weigh in on the big Clippers trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ah that All Star fever is starting to spread and
that's not a good thing, Manzi. Usually it's great. Oh yes,
I've got spring fever. All Star fever is something that
is so so different all in itself. We're talking All
Star fever here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Yeah, we do have summer fever. It's just All Star
fever is not as hot. It's a little cool.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All Star fever is, you know what. I'm not feeling
too well, and it's usually because of.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Snubs snubs, but do we really care?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
There's a dirty little secret behind all of that. Welcome in.
It is Fox Sports Radio in for Covino and Rich,
who're in for Dan Patrick earlier today. Isaac low and Crown,
Jason Stewart and Ryan Smith are here for us. The
All Star Reserves. We knew the starters were announced, but
the All Star Reserves the rosters were filled out yesterday,
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and something that is as old as time occurred yesterday,
and that is making a list of All Star snubs. Now,
this is where the fever is a bad thing. I
find it funny on how year after year there are
always snubs. There are players on your team that you
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think should be on the All Star squad but that
didn't make the squad, and you're ticked off because that
player was good for your team. And then you start
being that person and saying, well, how did this guy
make it? Why did this guy make it? Why does
every team have to be an All Star? It happens
every single year, and we drive down that same road.
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You know what else happens every single year months h
I'm going to lean on the shoulders of Jason Stewart,
our executive producer. That makes the point, and Jason, I
will let you verbalize it, because these rosters aren't necessarily
set in stone, are they? So what else happens every
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single year when it comes to All Star rosters and
it comes to All Star snubs?
Speaker 6 (02:23):
So this is kind of the day that radio producers
and TV debate show producers could be really lazy, Like
they could go into their calendar in December and be
like on July the seventh, we could have a segment
and talk about the snubs. And by the way, the
word snub is not a great word to hear. It's
like a it's like a smegma. Is that the word
that everyone hates? And then there's a word that women,
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all women hate that ends in an st that I
won't say those words, but snub is such a bad word.
And like every single year, we could have a segment
where we're like, all right, well, we're the biggest snubs.
I want to hear your calls, Colin be really upset
about who doesn't make the team, and then throughout the week,
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as injuries occur, those same snubs that everyone was screaming
about just make the team and that's it. So basically,
is just a huge waste of air for a radio.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
People outrage for the sake of outrage when it doesn't
even matter and you heard Manti say it off the top.
This has meant no disrespect to the broadcast that is
put together by Fox, as the All Star Game will
be on Fox. I feel that it is rage for
the sake of rage, or something to be upset about.
Because it hurt your feelings. But how many people will
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actually boycott the All Star Game because their player wasn't
in it, or actually watch the All Star Game and
care as it's going on because their player isn't in
the game. Like, if you think that Juan Soto should
be in the game, and let's say, to Jason's point,
he gets into the game as an injury replacement, you
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darn well sure you'd better be watching in the fifth
inning when he comes in as an injury replacement because
you complained the whole week about how Juan Soto should
have been an All Star, which, by the way, I
think there's a very good argument on why Wan Soda
will be an All Star. We'll get to that in
a bit. But it's never paid off. It's a reason
to complain. To Jason's point, it's a topic, it's low
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hanging fruit, but it's also never paid off. Manzi, where
I don't think people are sitting there tuning into the
All Star Game if their guy gets in when they
were so mad that they weren't there in the first place,
completely double talking.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Does this come because maybe we're holding on to baseball
being the last real All Star Game? And so we
want to care or pretend to care, but in reality,
I will put on the All Star Game right have
it on the background, But it's more of a matchup
that I'm looking for. I'm looking for a matchup that
I may not get to see a lot throughout the
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regular season, and then I'm moving on. But are we
because we think it's the last real All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I think that's a very interesting point, and I think
it could be a valid point. I also think it's
the only thing going on right now as a sports
fan of teams that you care about. So football is
about to start, the NBA has ended, so you're passionate
about your baseball team if you're in that mode, and
there are a lot of people passionate. If you've seen
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the numbers from this past weekend, major League Baseball put
them out magnificent fourth of July weekend for baseball. So
it's healthy. But I think that there's not a lot
to distract people right now. It's summertime. Guess what, let's
find something to bother me. But I think that what
you said is what you said is real. I also
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think that the openness of the roster is real. So
in an NBA All Star game, you have twelve spots.
I think for Team I think you should have fifteen.
I think that that would be good for the game.
There are veterans that don't necessarily want to play. I'm
not trying to fix. It's not a fix in the
All Star conversation, but I think that it should be
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opened a little bit more, and I think that it
would help the product. I think that this is open enough.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yes it is, and and.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So to that aspect, I think that there is there
is some weight to being an All Star, but it's
also the only thing that's going on right now.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
You hardly get to see these All Star pitchers.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
We want to see more than one inning of Paul Skeins,
but that's probably what you're gonna get. Yes, So it's
like you're you're angry, but you're right. What else are
you gonna be angry about the way a mascot looks?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
No, you gotta be angry.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm I'm looking at a list of snubs. I'm gonna
take this from si dot com. Okay, a list of
what snubs?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Snubs?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, snubs, yes, snubs, snubs. Can you believe JP Crawford
didn't make the All Star Game. Short stuff for the
Seattle Mariners. Like this is I know it sounds absurd.
That's what we're doing here, That's what we're doing. So
if you're arguing about that it's ridiculous, well, JP stands
were just pathetic. Jasony slashing two eighty five, three eighty
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six and three eighty right now, I mean, like it's
it's ridiculous. Joe Ryan of the Twins not an All Star, absurd,
Christopher Sanchez of the Phillies.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
An All Star. These are part of the list of
the not an All Star.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So the Nationals had an All Star snub. They are atrocious.
They won like eight games this year. It's more than that.
But I get it, so CJ. Abrams. The point is,
this is what it's come down to, and I'm not
trying to disrespect any of those players and what they
have done this season. In fact, it would be a
great honor, I'm sure for those players to be named
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an All Star. And that's a bit of the rub
with all of this, but it's it's fake outrage and
it's not real. The last name on the list is
Wan Soto of the New York Mets. And I'm I'm
sorry for a game that's made for TV. Wan Soto
deserves to be at the All Star Game, and he
deserves to be at the All Star Game for the
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same reason that Clayton Kershaw is at the All Star Game,
because we want to see Clayton Kershaw there, likely for
the last time. They did this with with Miguel Cabrera
and putting him as a veteran to the All Star team.
This is expanding the All Star roster. This is a
way of doing it. But when you talk about the
stories that have happened in Major League Baseball so far
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in the first half of the season, sorry, Wan Soto
has been a part of that discussion. And if his
numbers are even in the neighborhood of being an All Star,
you want to see Juan Soto. He's on a new team,
he's back to being in the National League. All of
that factors in. Like, I do think that that is
a snub for the reason that you want to make
the game as appealing as it is. And it's no
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disrespect to someone like JP Crawford, there's none of that
CJ Abrams, no disrespect meant towards those players, but Sodo
moves the needle in a way that those players don't.
And that's why when you're talking about a made for
TV event, that's what that's what he does. That's what
this does. Soda should have been an.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
All Star absolutely. How much money is he making?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Seven hundred and sixty five million dollars, the biggest contract
he has to be in the All Star Game. It's
kind of silly that they didn't make that decision ahead
of time. Maybe they wanted this to be the real
snub while everybody else, like you said, there's a lot
of players that could have, should have, would have. You know,
there's a lot of good talent out there, but like
Juan Soto, not being in the initial list is kind
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of just like you drop the big ball here. You
have to have him out there, and his numbers are
in the ballpark. He started off slow, and that was
the big discussion at all. He misses the Yankees, but
those numbers, I look, they're in the ballpark.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
He should be there. He's he is the highest paid
player in baseball right now, get out there. Put him
in the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Don't make this be a story when it's not, especially
because Jason said it. There's gonna be an injury or something,
and he's gonna be the first one they put into replace.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
There's always gonna be someone that's left out away, whether
you know the NCAA tournament, the team that's you know,
not number sixty nine or number seventy, they didn't make
the field of sixty eight. In this case, somebody's going
to be left out. I'm not saying Wan Soda should
replace someone. Just make sure that Wan SODA's on the team,
just like you made sure that Clayton Kershaw is on
the team this year, just like you have Miguel Cabrera
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being on the team a year or two ago. All
of that is completely understood and accepted and honestly welcomed.
And I think if you expanded it, I've been I've
thought Major League Baseball should do this. BONSI. Jason and
I have been together long enough that he's heard this
argument before. Last year, we were lucky enough that Paul
Skeens was put on the All Star team and ended
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up getting the start in the All Star Game. We
all wanted to watch Paul Skeins pitching that first inning.
The year prior, Elie de la Cruz was taking over
Major League Baseball and in highlight after highlight after or
highlight was his time in the big leagues all star worthy?
Probably not. Were the numbers that he was putting up.
Did they measure with the top All Stars? Maybe not
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at that point, but he was talked about top five
player in the game for those two months or a
month and a half that he was there. What's the
problem with adding a young star to each of these
rosters to put it in the game that would actually
probably want to play. It also allows you to tab
a future star instead of having a Future Stars game
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on the Sunday when there's actual games going on at
that ballpark. Put a future star or a guy that's
in the big leagues as a possible future All Star
and make him a part of that roster. It can
only help your brand that you're cultivating future stars for
the team. If they're doing it for the old guys,
they should figure out a way to do it for
the young guys as well.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You could have said it better, because it's like this
is one of those moments or one of these events
where you lean into the popularity side of it. It
is a popularity already, Yes, lean into that as this
is the time to do it. This is the All
Star Game. We're not talking about, you know, an award
at the end of the season where you know it's
one person here. You should absolutely have the guys that
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are popular and bringing eyes to the sport.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
They dropped the ball with Elie de la Cruz.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I was here with you when you were talking about
that a year ago.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And they're dropping the ball with Juan Soto again.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Unless you wanted this to be the topic of conversation
when in reality, it's a bad look on baseball.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
It's a bad look on how you're handling things.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And I think they've opened the door or it's been
open for so long because of the rule that every
team has been an All Star or it needs an
All Star. Because you lay out that rule right there,
that then tells me you kind of have I'm not
carte blanche, but you have the ability to make the
rosters like they should be. Realistically, if you didn't do
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this in the National League, you'd have Phillies, Mets, Cubs,
and Dodgers and a few Giants and Padre sprinkled in.
That's what it would be, and half the league would
be washed out. I don't know if that's good. I
don't know if that's bad, but that's what it is.
But you have flexibility in doing this because you're already saying,
we're making these guys an All Star. Now there's that
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lesson the label of All Star. I don't think one bit.
I don't think that it does. I think that it's
revered by your home team. But it does tell me
that there are pieces that you can move. And honestly,
there are guys who are in this All Star Game
that probably want to have one at bat and be
good with it. Now, it would give us something to
complain after the All Star Game. But if you have
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other guys to play those spots, I don't see how
it could be a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
It can't be a bad thing. That's why it's so
interesting that they haven't done this. Like you just said,
there's players who are just gonna get one at bat,
and there's others that fans tune in and there's still
probably only going to get one.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
At bat, and that should also change.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I understand you want to bring in all of these pictures,
but the ones that people really want to watch, you got.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
To keep them in there longer.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Than in any and that's not gonna happen because of
the size of this roster for the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, I you know what, I can get on board
with that. I'm trying to expand and saying like, maybe
these guys would play more. But if you're saying for
the product, I wouldn't necessarily hate it. I think some
of these guys, you take a young star, like, just like,
how would Elie de la Cruz do over that forty
eighth to seventy two hours being in the same locker
room with Baseball's best, right, Like, I think that there's
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a valuable piece in that as well. So you're going
in a different direction than I am. But I don't
hate yours at all.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But you make a point, and I'm just like, here,
I'm adding to it in the sense of, like, you
have so many people on your roster, why not add
another one? Now, if you're not going to have that
many people on the roster, then you're able to keep these.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Guys out for a lot longer, which is really what
a lot of people want.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But you already have such a big roster, you might
as well add the popular one.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Sure, Jason Stewart, it feels like your idea Dan might
come from like the rights holders, right, the execut kative
as a Fox or ESPN, whoever's carrying the game, would
choose someone who moves the needle, and you promoted as such.
This is our either young player that moves the needle
or who's the center fielder for the for the A's
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that seems to make a circus catch once a week.
Oh yeah, and it's like a chance to not only
announce that they're included in the game, but to promote
someone that is young and up and coming. Yeah yeah,
yeah yeah. And also, by the way, Joe Ryan being
on the snub list, I would argue that Joe Ryan's
like immediate family doesn't need to see him at the
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Alstro game. That's how boring. Joe Ryan as a pitcher
is as boring as his name, Joe Ryan.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's about it's about stars. It is old and new
and current, and that's what I think is lost in
all of this. To his point, I don't want to
speak for Joe Ryan's family. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
But if you're trying to bring in people and trying
to bring in more eyes, and I'll tell you what
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if Denzel Clark was added to this roster as a
young star, I would have been able to say Denzel
Clark right at that point. Now we've seen the catch.
We've seen the catch is the A's stink right now,
it's not necessarily on the forefront of our mind. But
you put him in an All Star game. He robs
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someone of a home run. We're talking about Denzel Clark's
twenty twenty five home run robbing in Atlanta as an
All Star highlight throughout the years. So I think that
ends up paying off for it helps at least throughout
the season for the A's in that part, to add
another young name, bring somebody out to the ballpark. There's
no negatives in any of this. It just and when
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you've already set out the rules to be what they are,
to try to appease every certain fan base, I think
there's other ways that you can do it instead of
maybe turning them off if they're not happy with the snubs.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
It just seems like a miss opportunity. You know who
are they the.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
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You can find me at Dan Bayer on Fox. Moncey
mentioned the WNBA and we have more insight now in
the how absolutely ridiculous that league is.
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Speaker 5 (17:47):
What's up everybody? Happy Monday? Thanks for tuning in to
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Speaker 2 (17:53):
They were in for Dan Patrick this morning, so you
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Speaker 5 (17:59):
Kick off the week on a high note.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But we're headed straight to the news desk with Isaac
Lowenkron who has some breaking news.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Breaking news from Fox Sport.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
In the NBA.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
ESPN has just reported that Paolo ben Caro over the
Orlando Magic has agreed to a five year maximum rookie
contract extension worth up to two hundred and eighty seven
million dollars Dad in Monci.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Wow, that is not surprising, No, but it's a lot
of money, and it's the first rookie Max deal according
to Sham since Luca got his from the Mavericks. Trey
Young out one as well from the Hawks. I don't
know that was money well spent. Maybe I'm too hard
on Trey Young, but the fact is is not as
surprise with Orlando at all. Now with the deal with
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that they did with Desmond Baine, they obviously feel that
they can compete in the Eastern Conference for that conference
title this season and locks up their buddy superstar.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They the Orlando Magic are a good young team. And
I'm a big fan of Paolo Bancaro.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I've said it.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He gives me flashes a little bit of a Lebron James.
He's so big but moves so quickly and you wouldn't
think he's as big as he is when you see
him play.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And with the East as open as it is, the
Magic realized how real of a chance they have. I
know they lost was it five games to the Celtics
and they lost in five games? I think it was
a quick It was a quick series. But the point was, like,
if you were watching closely, the Celtics happened. The Celtics
had to keep their players in until late in the
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fourth quarter. They didn't pull away until late Magic gave
them a hard time. It was a quick series. It
wasn't as easy as the box score may show you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
What is funny is when Shams tweets it and they
put out the agency stuff. That's all just to kiss
the butt of the agents.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, because he's getting Pribe.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
What I guess if it's the first sort of contract
since since Luca, there is some sort of negotiation to
do so much. I know if the Magic were willing
to do it, what negotiation is there really exactly?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I didn't even I didn't need to know that information.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
The funny thing with the bank Carro deal was because
he was the first overall pick. But if you go
back to that draft week and maybe even even the
night before, I think that day there started to really
draw but it wasn't a lock that he was going
number one, and in fact, Jabari Smith was thought to
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possibly be the guy who was going to end up
being number one. Wasn't the case. He had heard reports
in throughout the day that it was likely going to
be a Polo bang Caro. But throughout that college basketball season,
I always felt that Bank Carrol and many people did,
that he would be the number one player taken in
that drafts. He was. He's lived up to the billing
and now is a very very rich man.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, congratulations for.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
A team and listen contracts like it is worth it
for the Magic to not even negotiate, to just give
him what he wants because there's more damage that can
be done, and especially now with the East being for
the taking, that's that's why there's really no room for
any negotiation.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Absolutely, I know it was the right move.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So the WNBA is in a headline in the headlines
again and it's a bit of it's not revisionist history.
It's looking back to what happened last year. As Christine
Brennan of the USA Today has a book coming out
about Caitlin Clark, and she released an excerpt of the
book explaining what actually happened last year when she wanted
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to speak with members of the Connecticut Son specifically de
Jonte Carrington, about whether she purposely scratched Caitlin Clark in
the eye during a play in a previous game. And
what that did was that opened Pandora's box into what
could possibly happen in the WNBA when things don't go
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the player's way. And Christine Brennan lays out how she
was confronted by one of Carrington's teammates saying that she
disrespected Carrington and asking her a simple question, did you
purposely scratch Caitlin Clark in the eye in that game?
So a player comes up confronts Christine Brennan. Then, in
another situation, when Brennan is speaking with other reporters who
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cover the Indiana Fever and others in the WNBA in
an off the record conversation in the tunnel of an arena,
Carrington goes and overhears this conversation. The essence that I
got was that she was hiding behind.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
A curtain, right, yes, absolutely, Like the conversation.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Happened and there was a curtain separating and so you
hear somebody talking, so you stop. They don't know that
you're listening, But they were just talking about a lineup
change that was made, which I believe was done to
Carrington's partner at the time, and so then Carrington starts
to yell, and then that player goes up and confronts
Christine Brennan about being disrespectful to her and talking ish
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about her. All of this started because Christine Brennan, as
a reporter, asked the question, did you purposely scratch Kaitlyn
Clark in the eye?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
That's how it all started, right, And if you didn't,
can you just talk about that? Yes, that's how it
was worded too. She's like, and if you did it,
can't right? Can you just talk about that moment?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's this is Doug Gottlieber said it. Doug Gottlieb's got
it on clips of this league not being serious. They've
Portanoi of Barstool tweeted the same thing. We know he's
a huge Caitlyn Clark fan. But this is the problem
that I have with the WNBA is the WBA wants everything.
And I'm talking about the WNBA Players Association, the players.
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They want everything. They want me, they want you, They
want us to cover the sport like they do the NBA.
In fact, they want to get paid like players in
the NBA. Because look at all the attention that it's
being brought and brought to the league. So then Caitlyn
Clark comes in, brings the attention that they've been craving
and guess what, don't want it, don't need it, should
have been here a long time ago. Now you have
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a reporter who's covering a story that maybe tied to
Caitlin Clark and asking a legitimate question, and to Monte's point,
gave her an actual out in the question. Journalists usually
won't do that. They will ask the question as the
question because it's up to you to take it however
you want to take it. And she gave her an out,
and they not only still didn't like it, they then
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tried to bully Christine Brennan, who's been in the media
for decades, not to ager, but just the point of
the experience, like she's some Johnny KM lately to the
profession and the sports. And this is why it's frustrating
to me, is you want your league to grow, you
want all of these demands, and then something happens that
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is like the other leagues, you say, h we don't
like that. That's not how we do things around here.
That's complete garbage.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It is the WNBA is reality TV and bad reality TV.
And that's not necessarily a bad thing overall, because I
love bad reality TV.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I watch a lot of it. That's what people are
doing here.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
People are paying attention to the WNBA now for the
wrong reasons, because you keep dropping the ball and looking
like bad reality TV.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
You know, I love The Bachelor. You know why because
you put all these women together, dating with one.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Guy, cat fights, drama, toxic environment, bachelorette.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
You put all these guys together.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
They're all bros by the end of the season, and
best friends, they're high fives.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
So how do you how'd your day go?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
All?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Right?
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Man? I love you. I hope she likes you just
as much as I love you. Not the same when
you put women together.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And this is what we keep witnessing time after time
with the WNBA girls.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Get it together, get it together. This is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It is I put it this way. I kind of
forge got about the story and then I saw it
pop up, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right,
that did happen. It did happen. And then they wanted
to revoke her. Imagine imagine revoking the USA Today's credentials
like it is. It's like I I can understand her.
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Some Johnny cum Lately's are like, hey, I just want
free tickets to the games. Yeah, we're going to sign in.
But they came in because they didn't like the questions
that were being asked. By the way. It's also if
if you think that's disrespect my goodness and like it is,
I just they the Players Association and the players in
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that league want it one way, and then when you
give it to them how they want it, they don't
like it.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
But it's not even just.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The Players Association, right, it feels like, what is the
who's the president of the w NBA.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I can't think of her name? Kathy? Then she is
coddling them. She is not doing right by it.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
She also needs to come out there and be like,
all right, we're going to get this together.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah well yeah, and what's the name? Keaththy Engelbert Elbert.
I would not in a million years, Yeah yeah, I
would go.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I was like Kathy's own.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But but to your point, somebody's got to put a
stop to it, somebody's got to change the direction of it.
The reason I say it's the Players Association, Manzi, and
not necessarily the league is because a lot of times,
especially with their current labor negotiations, they aren't on the
same side. And maybe you're right to that point, but
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it feels like, and I say the players association as well,
because it just feels like it's a majority of the players.
It's not just the Connecticut son it's the other players
in the league that are doing this. And as as
someone in straightening up and trying to figure out a
way how to move this league forward, you have to
have everybody in your union or most everybody in your
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union together and it and maybe ninety five percent of
them are, but at that point last year, it feels
like ninety five percent of them were against Caitlin Clark.
So to your point, if you're the commissioner, yeah, you've
got it. You have to figure out a way to
protect it because obviously and protect not protect Caitlin Clark,
but but in a way, yes, you can't be doing
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this stuff. You have to protect your media viability. Christine
Brennan is quoting media people, who, by the way, have
a lot more experience in dealing with this than any
of the players do, being like our players just don't understand,
like that's that was a quote, and I'm paraphrasing, but
the essence of a quote from one of the media
staffers that spoke with Christine Brennan Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Yeah, no, I was just going to actually read that
quote from an official to Christine Brennan. I think this
is like the most indicting quote in this excerpt. Anyways, Unfortunately,
most of our players have zero idea what real media
exposure is. They don't know what real coverage is, as
they have been shielded in college. Then they come to
the WNBA not what the real questions are. Frankly, our
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players just don't get it. So it's like it just
seems like there's this like oversensitivity that needs to be
retrained or untrained for this league to be taken seriously.
If you don't know how to be covered, then you
don't grasp the uh, the importance of publicity. That sounds
like something that needs to be like ground level trained.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, and those questions will end up being okayed by
the teams of the spoke to the media people, the
media personnel by that team that there was nothing that
was off the record. It wasn't like Christine Brennan was
trying to hide it anything, and like a reporter, she goes,
I have the video here, do you want to watch it?
Do you want to see it? And they had no
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interest in doing that. That's it's the you know, having
your cake and eating it too. Do you know what
that why that phrase is. I realized this within the
last couple of years. A cake is beautiful, but once
you eat it, you ruin it.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
They want it both ways. They want the be cake
and then they also want to be fed off of it,
which ruins the cake.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
We actually had our cake and eight to two over
the holiday weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Oh nice, nice? What did you have on this, Isaac.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
It's really interesting that you bring that specific thing up, Jason,
because the late great sports writer John Feinstein wrote a
very fine book about sort of the behind the scenes
story of this exact subject media access throughout his career,
all the way back in twenty eleven, and he said
that when he was covering college basketball in the eighties,
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the publicist for these schools he would arrange an interview
with the star player. They would walk over to him, Okay,
here's the star player. They'd sit on a bench and
the pr person would walk away and he would leave.
John Finstein to do an interview one on one with
this star college player all by themselves. Now in twenty eleven,
he said that the PR people, because the culture had changed,
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they would hover over you and they would limit their
access and they would be overly protective. And so we
were already headed down that road. And I also think
that the pandemic exacerbated that because now so much of
your access is done on zoom and you would never
these days, I think see a college athlete conduct an
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interview with a media member without somebody from the school
or the athletic department being there.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Well, I would say this, if a media member was
there hearing this exchange with Dejonte Carrington, they would be
able to back up what Christine Brennan was saying and
saying that the questions were fair. They okayed it after
the fact, but then you wouldn't have had another player
walk up trying to bully Christine Brennan saying that you're
being disrespectful. There's just there's no give and take to it.
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And this is at the professional level. That's even at
the college level, Like you have to have some sort
of recognition because if you're sitting there complaining, nobody's watching
your games and nobody's paying attention. Guess what people are
now and maybe your actions, you know, should be the
ones that are called into question. That may be the
biggest problem.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
No, No, people are paying attention, Dan, but for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
They're not paying attention to watch them play basketball. They're
paying attention because of the drama, bad reality TV.
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How great is that?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's It's amazing. It's as great as the trade that's
happened earlier today at fitting Because we wrap up the
show with this NBA deal that, by the way, has
already been moved to the bottom of the headlines of
the EA ESPN front page. That's right, Yes, the headline
of Angel Reese blasting WNBA refs is now ahead of
the Norman Powell leaving the Clippers for the Heat trade
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with John Collins going from Utah to LA. Noted Clippers fan,
but most importantly, sports talk radio host Manci bilanios his
thoughts on this three team deal.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I mean, I think this is really great pickup for
the Clippers. I am sad to see Norman Powell go.
Of course, he was a bucket for us last year,
a guaranteed bucket, especially with Kawhi Leonard out. He was
our number two, sometimes even our number one alongside James Harden.
I don't know if it was the injury. I don't
know if it was figuring out his footing once Kawhi
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Leonard came back into the starting lineup and he had
to take a side role of the number three, even
possibly a number four because of Itata Zubats definitely had
those moments.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I don't know what it was, but Norman.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Powell did not have the second second, the great second
half to the season that I think most of us wanted.
Also in the playoffs, he just couldn't get his footing right,
and so I think this is a great move also
for the Miami Heat. They're gonna get somebody who can score,
when in reality the Clippers needed a power forward. John
Collins is gonna do that. He's more athletic. He's gonna
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add defense, which Norman Powell, you know that was not
his strength. He was scoring for US Josh Collins. John
Collins isn't going to score as much. But the big
part is he's gonna alleviate on the defensive end for
Kawhi Leonard. So I think this is a really good move,
and with a stacked West, I like that the Clippers
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are staying aggressive because I thought the Clippers were already.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I mean, y'all heard me down the hallway during the playoffs.
I was like, I'm going to the finals. I'm going
to the.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Finals, and then I didn't, yeh did uh huh.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So we were already a good squad and a good team.
I like the aggressiveness here. There are rumors that they
now are looking at Bradley Beal in a buy out
with the Suns, that they could add him and I
we don't need that, we don't need that. I like
this move, this was this was nice pick up for
the Clippers, and uh, we're going to the finals.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I appreciate your passion for this trade because I'm the
exact opposite. But I will say this that they get younger.
According to the reports that Paula is not likely to
sound an extension with the Clippers anyway, and in a
way to show no disrespect but ultimately no doubt about it,
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disrespect the player we're talking about Norman Powell there, and
and I think a lot of teams have to realize
that there are there are pieces that are nice pieces.
To your point, they have reason to move it. Miami
finds value and can you like him? Yeah? Absolutely better
fit there. Ye, maybe he's a better fit for them
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long term as well, so they get a year in
advance in scouting and determining what they want to do.
Collins is twenty seven years old, could find a long
term home as well because he's entering the final year
of his contract. The Jazz are a part of this deal.
That's how he comes over. They get second round picks.
Kevin Love is a part of this deal. I don't
think Kevin Love is gonna play one second of basketball
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for the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
No, you probably go to a buyout and probably go
to the Lakers. That's why he was having dinner with
Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Michael Scott win win win, like a win win win
situation for this trade. But I just go to the
fact you had feelings for Norman Powell considering what he
provided to the Clippers. That sometimes can cloud your thinking.
You keep guys around too long or feel that this
is part of the quarterly Sometimes you got to separate
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the faces and the names, and doing deals just to
get younger and stronger in the front court seems to
pay off.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Absolutely appreciative of what he did.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I mean he even you know, the third home game
for the playoffs got into it to him was a
Norman Powell shirt. Like the appreciation was shown early on,
and I thought he should have been an All Star
the whole thing. He was so great for us, so
so great. It didn't end OUs great. I think he
can thrive in Miami. Welcome Collins to the Clippers. He's
going to be a big pick up for us.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Now you made me feel bad from my All Star
take earlier today and saying it doesn't matter, guys are
All Stars. Now I'm thinking about it. I remember my guy,
Jim Jackson should have gone into the NBA All Star
Game one season he was like fourth in the league
in scoring, did not get in, injured his ankle, and
then never had the career that he had up to
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that point. And so now I feel bad about saying
bring in more stars and young stars in the All
Star Game. Who cares about these snubs that we don't
care about, because that could have been Norman Powell's only
All Star chance and it was it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Thanks Lebron for announcing last minute though you weren't gonna play.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And I'll correct myself, and I'll correct myself. The East stinks,
so you'll probably start in the All Stars.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
That's right, he's going to be in next year.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ah that All Star fever is starting to spread and
that's not a good thing, Manzi. Usually it's great. Oh yes,
I've got spring fever. All Star fever is something that
is so so different all in itself. We're talking All
Star fever here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Yeah, we do have summer fever. It's just All Star
fever is not as hot. It's a little cool.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All Star fever is, you know what. I'm not feeling
too well, and it's usually because of.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Snubs snubs, but do we really care?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
There's a dirty little secret behind all of that. Welcome in.
It is Fox Sports Radio in for Covino and Rich,
who're in for Dan Patrick earlier today. Isaac low and Crown,
Jason Stewart and Ryan Smith are here for us. The
All Star Reserves. We knew the starters were announced, but
the All Star Reserves the rosters were filled out yesterday,
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and something that is as old as time occurred yesterday,
and that is making a list of All Star snubs. Now,
this is where the fever is a bad thing. I
find it funny on how year after year there are
always snubs. There are players on your team that you
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think should be on the All Star squad but that
didn't make the squad, and you're ticked off because that
player was good for your team. And then you start
being that person and saying, well, how did this guy
make it? Why did this guy make it? Why does
every team have to be an All Star? It happens
every single year, and we drive down that same road.
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You know what else happens every single year months h
I'm going to lean on the shoulders of Jason Stewart,
our executive producer. That makes the point, and Jason, I
will let you verbalize it, because these rosters aren't necessarily
set in stone, are they? So what else happens every
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single year when it comes to All Star rosters and
it comes to All Star snubs?
Speaker 6 (02:23):
So this is kind of the day that radio producers
and TV debate show producers could be really lazy, Like
they could go into their calendar in December and be
like on July the seventh, we could have a segment
and talk about the snubs. And by the way, the
word snub is not a great word to hear. It's
like a it's like a smegma. Is that the word
that everyone hates? And then there's a word that women,
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all women hate that ends in an st that I
won't say those words, but snub is such a bad word.
And like every single year, we could have a segment
where we're like, all right, well, we're the biggest snubs.
I want to hear your calls, Colin be really upset
about who doesn't make the team, and then throughout the week,
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as injuries occur, those same snubs that everyone was screaming
about just make the team and that's it. So basically,
is just a huge waste of air for a radio.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
People outrage for the sake of outrage when it doesn't
even matter and you heard Manti say it off the top.
This has meant no disrespect to the broadcast that is
put together by Fox, as the All Star Game will
be on Fox. I feel that it is rage for
the sake of rage, or something to be upset about.
Because it hurt your feelings. But how many people will
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actually boycott the All Star Game because their player wasn't
in it, or actually watch the All Star Game and
care as it's going on because their player isn't in
the game. Like, if you think that Juan Soto should
be in the game, and let's say, to Jason's point,
he gets into the game as an injury replacement, you
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darn well sure you'd better be watching in the fifth
inning when he comes in as an injury replacement because
you complained the whole week about how Juan Soto should
have been an All Star, which, by the way, I
think there's a very good argument on why Wan Soda
will be an All Star. We'll get to that in
a bit. But it's never paid off. It's a reason
to complain. To Jason's point, it's a topic, it's low
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hanging fruit, but it's also never paid off. Manzi, where
I don't think people are sitting there tuning into the
All Star Game if their guy gets in when they
were so mad that they weren't there in the first place,
completely double talking.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Does this come because maybe we're holding on to baseball
being the last real All Star Game? And so we
want to care or pretend to care, but in reality,
I will put on the All Star Game right have
it on the background, But it's more of a matchup
that I'm looking for. I'm looking for a matchup that
I may not get to see a lot throughout the
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regular season, and then I'm moving on. But are we
because we think it's the last real All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I think that's a very interesting point, and I think
it could be a valid point. I also think it's
the only thing going on right now as a sports
fan of teams that you care about. So football is
about to start, the NBA has ended, so you're passionate
about your baseball team if you're in that mode, and
there are a lot of people passionate. If you've seen
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the numbers from this past weekend, major League Baseball put
them out magnificent fourth of July weekend for baseball. So
it's healthy. But I think that there's not a lot
to distract people right now. It's summertime. Guess what, let's
find something to bother me. But I think that what
you said is what you said is real. I also
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think that the openness of the roster is real. So
in an NBA All Star game, you have twelve spots.
I think for Team I think you should have fifteen.
I think that that would be good for the game.
There are veterans that don't necessarily want to play. I'm
not trying to fix. It's not a fix in the
All Star conversation, but I think that it should be
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opened a little bit more, and I think that it
would help the product. I think that this is open enough.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yes it is, and and.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So to that aspect, I think that there is there
is some weight to being an All Star, but it's
also the only thing that's going on right now.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
You hardly get to see these All Star pitchers.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
We want to see more than one inning of Paul Skeins,
but that's probably what you're gonna get. Yes, So it's
like you're you're angry, but you're right. What else are
you gonna be angry about the way a mascot looks?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
No, you gotta be angry.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm I'm looking at a list of snubs. I'm gonna
take this from si dot com. Okay, a list of
what snubs?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Snubs?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, snubs, yes, snubs, snubs. Can you believe JP Crawford
didn't make the All Star Game. Short stuff for the
Seattle Mariners. Like this is I know it sounds absurd.
That's what we're doing here, That's what we're doing. So
if you're arguing about that it's ridiculous, well, JP stands
were just pathetic. Jasony slashing two eighty five, three eighty
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six and three eighty right now, I mean, like it's
it's ridiculous. Joe Ryan of the Twins not an All Star, absurd,
Christopher Sanchez of the Phillies.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
An All Star. These are part of the list of
the not an All Star.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So the Nationals had an All Star snub. They are atrocious.
They won like eight games this year. It's more than that.
But I get it, so CJ. Abrams. The point is,
this is what it's come down to, and I'm not
trying to disrespect any of those players and what they
have done this season. In fact, it would be a
great honor, I'm sure for those players to be named
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an All Star. And that's a bit of the rub
with all of this, but it's it's fake outrage and
it's not real. The last name on the list is
Wan Soto of the New York Mets. And I'm I'm
sorry for a game that's made for TV. Wan Soto
deserves to be at the All Star Game, and he
deserves to be at the All Star Game for the
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same reason that Clayton Kershaw is at the All Star Game,
because we want to see Clayton Kershaw there, likely for
the last time. They did this with with Miguel Cabrera
and putting him as a veteran to the All Star team.
This is expanding the All Star roster. This is a
way of doing it. But when you talk about the
stories that have happened in Major League Baseball so far
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in the first half of the season, sorry, Wan Soto
has been a part of that discussion. And if his
numbers are even in the neighborhood of being an All Star,
you want to see Juan Soto. He's on a new team,
he's back to being in the National League. All of
that factors in. Like, I do think that that is
a snub for the reason that you want to make
the game as appealing as it is. And it's no
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disrespect to someone like JP Crawford, there's none of that
CJ Abrams, no disrespect meant towards those players, but Sodo
moves the needle in a way that those players don't.
And that's why when you're talking about a made for
TV event, that's what that's what he does. That's what
this does. Soda should have been an.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
All Star absolutely. How much money is he making?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Seven hundred and sixty five million dollars, the biggest contract
he has to be in the All Star Game. It's
kind of silly that they didn't make that decision ahead
of time. Maybe they wanted this to be the real
snub while everybody else, like you said, there's a lot
of players that could have, should have, would have. You know,
there's a lot of good talent out there, but like
Juan Soto, not being in the initial list is kind
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of just like you drop the big ball here. You
have to have him out there, and his numbers are
in the ballpark. He started off slow, and that was
the big discussion at all. He misses the Yankees, but
those numbers, I look, they're in the ballpark.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
He should be there. He's he is the highest paid
player in baseball right now, get out there. Put him
in the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Don't make this be a story when it's not, especially
because Jason said it. There's gonna be an injury or something,
and he's gonna be the first one they put into replace.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
There's always gonna be someone that's left out away, whether
you know the NCAA tournament, the team that's you know,
not number sixty nine or number seventy, they didn't make
the field of sixty eight. In this case, somebody's going
to be left out. I'm not saying Wan Soda should
replace someone. Just make sure that Wan SODA's on the team,
just like you made sure that Clayton Kershaw is on
the team this year, just like you have Miguel Cabrera
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being on the team a year or two ago. All
of that is completely understood and accepted and honestly welcomed.
And I think if you expanded it, I've been I've
thought Major League Baseball should do this. BONSI. Jason and
I have been together long enough that he's heard this
argument before. Last year, we were lucky enough that Paul
Skeens was put on the All Star team and ended
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up getting the start in the All Star Game. We
all wanted to watch Paul Skeins pitching that first inning.
The year prior, Elie de la Cruz was taking over
Major League Baseball and in highlight after highlight after or
highlight was his time in the big leagues all star worthy?
Probably not. Were the numbers that he was putting up.
Did they measure with the top All Stars? Maybe not
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at that point, but he was talked about top five
player in the game for those two months or a
month and a half that he was there. What's the
problem with adding a young star to each of these
rosters to put it in the game that would actually
probably want to play. It also allows you to tab
a future star instead of having a Future Stars game
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on the Sunday when there's actual games going on at
that ballpark. Put a future star or a guy that's
in the big leagues as a possible future All Star
and make him a part of that roster. It can
only help your brand that you're cultivating future stars for
the team. If they're doing it for the old guys,
they should figure out a way to do it for
the young guys as well.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You could have said it better, because it's like this
is one of those moments or one of these events
where you lean into the popularity side of it. It
is a popularity already, Yes, lean into that as this
is the time to do it. This is the All
Star Game. We're not talking about, you know, an award
at the end of the season where you know it's
one person here. You should absolutely have the guys that
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are popular and bringing eyes to the sport.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
They dropped the ball with Elie de la Cruz.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I was here with you when you were talking about
that a year ago.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And they're dropping the ball with Juan Soto again.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Unless you wanted this to be the topic of conversation
when in reality, it's a bad look on baseball.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
It's a bad look on how you're handling things.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And I think they've opened the door or it's been
open for so long because of the rule that every
team has been an All Star or it needs an
All Star. Because you lay out that rule right there,
that then tells me you kind of have I'm not
carte blanche, but you have the ability to make the
rosters like they should be. Realistically, if you didn't do
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this in the National League, you'd have Phillies, Mets, Cubs,
and Dodgers and a few Giants and Padre sprinkled in.
That's what it would be, and half the league would
be washed out. I don't know if that's good. I
don't know if that's bad, but that's what it is.
But you have flexibility in doing this because you're already saying,
we're making these guys an All Star. Now there's that
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lesson the label of All Star. I don't think one bit.
I don't think that it does. I think that it's
revered by your home team. But it does tell me
that there are pieces that you can move. And honestly,
there are guys who are in this All Star Game
that probably want to have one at bat and be
good with it. Now, it would give us something to
complain after the All Star Game. But if you have
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other guys to play those spots, I don't see how
it could be a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
It can't be a bad thing. That's why it's so
interesting that they haven't done this. Like you just said,
there's players who are just gonna get one at bat,
and there's others that fans tune in and there's still
probably only going to get one.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
At bat, and that should also change.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I understand you want to bring in all of these pictures,
but the ones that people really want to watch, you got.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
To keep them in there longer.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Than in any and that's not gonna happen because of
the size of this roster for the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, I you know what, I can get on board
with that. I'm trying to expand and saying like, maybe
these guys would play more. But if you're saying for
the product, I wouldn't necessarily hate it. I think some
of these guys, you take a young star, like, just like,
how would Elie de la Cruz do over that forty
eighth to seventy two hours being in the same locker
room with Baseball's best, right, Like, I think that there's
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a valuable piece in that as well. So you're going
in a different direction than I am. But I don't
hate yours at all.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But you make a point, and I'm just like, here,
I'm adding to it in the sense of, like, you
have so many people on your roster, why not add
another one? Now, if you're not going to have that
many people on the roster, then you're able to keep these.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Guys out for a lot longer, which is really what
a lot of people want.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But you already have such a big roster, you might
as well add the popular one.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Sure, Jason Stewart, it feels like your idea Dan might
come from like the rights holders, right, the execut kative
as a Fox or ESPN, whoever's carrying the game, would
choose someone who moves the needle, and you promoted as such.
This is our either young player that moves the needle
or who's the center fielder for the for the A's
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that seems to make a circus catch once a week.
Oh yeah, and it's like a chance to not only
announce that they're included in the game, but to promote
someone that is young and up and coming. Yeah yeah,
yeah yeah. And also, by the way, Joe Ryan being
on the snub list, I would argue that Joe Ryan's
like immediate family doesn't need to see him at the
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Alstro game. That's how boring. Joe Ryan as a pitcher
is as boring as his name, Joe Ryan.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's about it's about stars. It is old and new
and current, and that's what I think is lost in
all of this. To his point, I don't want to
speak for Joe Ryan's family. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
But if you're trying to bring in people and trying
to bring in more eyes, and I'll tell you what
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if Denzel Clark was added to this roster as a
young star, I would have been able to say Denzel
Clark right at that point. Now we've seen the catch.
We've seen the catch is the A's stink right now,
it's not necessarily on the forefront of our mind. But
you put him in an All Star game. He robs
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someone of a home run. We're talking about Denzel Clark's
twenty twenty five home run robbing in Atlanta as an
All Star highlight throughout the years. So I think that
ends up paying off for it helps at least throughout
the season for the A's in that part, to add
another young name, bring somebody out to the ballpark. There's
no negatives in any of this. It just and when
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you've already set out the rules to be what they are,
to try to appease every certain fan base, I think
there's other ways that you can do it instead of
maybe turning them off if they're not happy with the snubs.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
It just seems like a miss opportunity. You know who
are they the.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Wnba oh Manci Bolangos hit her off at Moncey Bolognos.
You can find me at dan Byer on Fox All
Star Game a week from tomorrow in Atlanta. You will
see it on Fox Home Run Derby a week from
tonight as well as the the bats will line up. Yes,
the first half of the Major League Baseball season soon
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coming to a close. Again, hit Mancy up at Monzy Bolanos.
You can find me at Dan Bayer on Fox. Moncey
mentioned the WNBA and we have more insight now in
the how absolutely ridiculous that league is.
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Speaker 5 (17:47):
What's up everybody? Happy Monday? Thanks for tuning in to
Cavino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. Guys are out.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
They were in for Dan Patrick this morning, so you
got me Mancy Bolanos and Dan Bayer hanging out with you.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Kick off the week on a high note.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But we're headed straight to the news desk with Isaac
Lowenkron who has some breaking news.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Breaking news from Fox Sport.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
In the NBA.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
ESPN has just reported that Paolo ben Caro over the
Orlando Magic has agreed to a five year maximum rookie
contract extension worth up to two hundred and eighty seven
million dollars Dad in Monci.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Wow, that is not surprising, No, but it's a lot
of money, and it's the first rookie Max deal according
to Sham since Luca got his from the Mavericks. Trey
Young out one as well from the Hawks. I don't
know that was money well spent. Maybe I'm too hard
on Trey Young, but the fact is is not as
surprise with Orlando at all. Now with the deal with
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that they did with Desmond Baine, they obviously feel that
they can compete in the Eastern Conference for that conference
title this season and locks up their buddy superstar.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They the Orlando Magic are a good young team. And
I'm a big fan of Paolo Bancaro.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I've said it.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He gives me flashes a little bit of a Lebron James.
He's so big but moves so quickly and you wouldn't
think he's as big as he is when you see
him play.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And with the East as open as it is, the
Magic realized how real of a chance they have. I
know they lost was it five games to the Celtics
and they lost in five games? I think it was
a quick It was a quick series. But the point was, like,
if you were watching closely, the Celtics happened. The Celtics
had to keep their players in until late in the
(19:37):
fourth quarter. They didn't pull away until late Magic gave
them a hard time. It was a quick series. It
wasn't as easy as the box score may show you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
What is funny is when Shams tweets it and they
put out the agency stuff. That's all just to kiss
the butt of the agents.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, because he's getting Pribe.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
What I guess if it's the first sort of contract
since since Luca, there is some sort of negotiation to
do so much. I know if the Magic were willing
to do it, what negotiation is there really exactly?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I didn't even I didn't need to know that information.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
The funny thing with the bank Carro deal was because
he was the first overall pick. But if you go
back to that draft week and maybe even even the
night before, I think that day there started to really
draw but it wasn't a lock that he was going
number one, and in fact, Jabari Smith was thought to
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possibly be the guy who was going to end up
being number one. Wasn't the case. He had heard reports
in throughout the day that it was likely going to
be a Polo bang Caro. But throughout that college basketball season,
I always felt that Bank Carrol and many people did,
that he would be the number one player taken in
that drafts. He was. He's lived up to the billing
and now is a very very rich man.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, congratulations for.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
A team and listen contracts like it is worth it
for the Magic to not even negotiate, to just give
him what he wants because there's more damage that can
be done, and especially now with the East being for
the taking, that's that's why there's really no room for
any negotiation.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Absolutely, I know it was the right move.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So the WNBA is in a headline in the headlines
again and it's a bit of it's not revisionist history.
It's looking back to what happened last year. As Christine
Brennan of the USA Today has a book coming out
about Caitlin Clark, and she released an excerpt of the
book explaining what actually happened last year when she wanted
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to speak with members of the Connecticut Son specifically de
Jonte Carrington, about whether she purposely scratched Caitlin Clark in
the eye during a play in a previous game. And
what that did was that opened Pandora's box into what
could possibly happen in the WNBA when things don't go
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the player's way. And Christine Brennan lays out how she
was confronted by one of Carrington's teammates saying that she
disrespected Carrington and asking her a simple question, did you
purposely scratch Caitlin Clark in the eye in that game?
So a player comes up confronts Christine Brennan. Then, in
another situation, when Brennan is speaking with other reporters who
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cover the Indiana Fever and others in the WNBA in
an off the record conversation in the tunnel of an arena,
Carrington goes and overhears this conversation. The essence that I
got was that she was hiding behind.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
A curtain, right, yes, absolutely, Like the conversation.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Happened and there was a curtain separating and so you
hear somebody talking, so you stop. They don't know that
you're listening, But they were just talking about a lineup
change that was made, which I believe was done to
Carrington's partner at the time, and so then Carrington starts
to yell, and then that player goes up and confronts
Christine Brennan about being disrespectful to her and talking ish
(23:05):
about her. All of this started because Christine Brennan, as
a reporter, asked the question, did you purposely scratch Kaitlyn
Clark in the eye?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
That's how it all started, right, And if you didn't,
can you just talk about that? Yes, that's how it
was worded too. She's like, and if you did it,
can't right? Can you just talk about that moment?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's this is Doug Gottlieber said it. Doug Gottlieb's got
it on clips of this league not being serious. They've
Portanoi of Barstool tweeted the same thing. We know he's
a huge Caitlyn Clark fan. But this is the problem
that I have with the WNBA is the WBA wants everything.
And I'm talking about the WNBA Players Association, the players.
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They want everything. They want me, they want you, They
want us to cover the sport like they do the NBA.
In fact, they want to get paid like players in
the NBA. Because look at all the attention that it's
being brought and brought to the league. So then Caitlyn
Clark comes in, brings the attention that they've been craving
and guess what, don't want it, don't need it, should
have been here a long time ago. Now you have
(24:15):
a reporter who's covering a story that maybe tied to
Caitlin Clark and asking a legitimate question, and to Monte's point,
gave her an actual out in the question. Journalists usually
won't do that. They will ask the question as the
question because it's up to you to take it however
you want to take it. And she gave her an out,
and they not only still didn't like it, they then
(24:36):
tried to bully Christine Brennan, who's been in the media
for decades, not to ager, but just the point of
the experience, like she's some Johnny KM lately to the
profession and the sports. And this is why it's frustrating
to me, is you want your league to grow, you
want all of these demands, and then something happens that
(24:58):
is like the other leagues, you say, h we don't
like that. That's not how we do things around here.
That's complete garbage.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It is the WNBA is reality TV and bad reality TV.
And that's not necessarily a bad thing overall, because I
love bad reality TV.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I watch a lot of it. That's what people are
doing here.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
People are paying attention to the WNBA now for the
wrong reasons, because you keep dropping the ball and looking
like bad reality TV.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
You know, I love The Bachelor. You know why because
you put all these women together, dating with one.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Guy, cat fights, drama, toxic environment, bachelorette.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
You put all these guys together.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
They're all bros by the end of the season, and
best friends, they're high fives.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
So how do you how'd your day go?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
All?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Right?
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Man? I love you. I hope she likes you just
as much as I love you. Not the same when
you put women together.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And this is what we keep witnessing time after time
with the WNBA girls.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Get it together, get it together. This is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It is I put it this way. I kind of
forge got about the story and then I saw it
pop up, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right,
that did happen. It did happen. And then they wanted
to revoke her. Imagine imagine revoking the USA Today's credentials
like it is. It's like I I can understand her.
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Some Johnny cum Lately's are like, hey, I just want
free tickets to the games. Yeah, we're going to sign in.
But they came in because they didn't like the questions
that were being asked. By the way. It's also if
if you think that's disrespect my goodness and like it is,
I just they the Players Association and the players in
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that league want it one way, and then when you
give it to them how they want it, they don't
like it.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
But it's not even just.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The Players Association, right, it feels like, what is the
who's the president of the w NBA.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I can't think of her name? Kathy? Then she is
coddling them. She is not doing right by it.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
She also needs to come out there and be like,
all right, we're going to get this together.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah well yeah, and what's the name? Keaththy Engelbert Elbert.
I would not in a million years, Yeah yeah, I
would go.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I was like Kathy's own.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But but to your point, somebody's got to put a
stop to it, somebody's got to change the direction of it.
The reason I say it's the Players Association, Manzi, and
not necessarily the league is because a lot of times,
especially with their current labor negotiations, they aren't on the
same side. And maybe you're right to that point, but
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it feels like, and I say the players association as well,
because it just feels like it's a majority of the players.
It's not just the Connecticut son it's the other players
in the league that are doing this. And as as
someone in straightening up and trying to figure out a
way how to move this league forward, you have to
have everybody in your union or most everybody in your
(27:54):
union together and it and maybe ninety five percent of
them are, but at that point last year, it feels
like ninety five percent of them were against Caitlin Clark.
So to your point, if you're the commissioner, yeah, you've
got it. You have to figure out a way to
protect it because obviously and protect not protect Caitlin Clark,
but but in a way, yes, you can't be doing
(28:18):
this stuff. You have to protect your media viability. Christine
Brennan is quoting media people, who, by the way, have
a lot more experience in dealing with this than any
of the players do, being like our players just don't understand,
like that's that was a quote, and I'm paraphrasing, but
the essence of a quote from one of the media
staffers that spoke with Christine Brennan Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Yeah, no, I was just going to actually read that
quote from an official to Christine Brennan. I think this
is like the most indicting quote in this excerpt. Anyways, Unfortunately,
most of our players have zero idea what real media
exposure is. They don't know what real coverage is, as
they have been shielded in college. Then they come to
the WNBA not what the real questions are. Frankly, our
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players just don't get it. So it's like it just
seems like there's this like oversensitivity that needs to be
retrained or untrained for this league to be taken seriously.
If you don't know how to be covered, then you
don't grasp the uh, the importance of publicity. That sounds
like something that needs to be like ground level trained.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, and those questions will end up being okayed by
the teams of the spoke to the media people, the
media personnel by that team that there was nothing that
was off the record. It wasn't like Christine Brennan was
trying to hide it anything, and like a reporter, she goes,
I have the video here, do you want to watch it?
Do you want to see it? And they had no
(29:44):
interest in doing that. That's it's the you know, having
your cake and eating it too. Do you know what
that why that phrase is. I realized this within the
last couple of years. A cake is beautiful, but once
you eat it, you ruin it.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
They want it both ways. They want the be cake
and then they also want to be fed off of it,
which ruins the cake.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
We actually had our cake and eight to two over
the holiday weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Oh nice, nice? What did you have on this, Isaac.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
It's really interesting that you bring that specific thing up, Jason,
because the late great sports writer John Feinstein wrote a
very fine book about sort of the behind the scenes
story of this exact subject media access throughout his career,
all the way back in twenty eleven, and he said
that when he was covering college basketball in the eighties,
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the publicist for these schools he would arrange an interview
with the star player. They would walk over to him, Okay,
here's the star player. They'd sit on a bench and
the pr person would walk away and he would leave.
John Finstein to do an interview one on one with
this star college player all by themselves. Now in twenty eleven,
he said that the PR people, because the culture had changed,
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they would hover over you and they would limit their
access and they would be overly protective. And so we
were already headed down that road. And I also think
that the pandemic exacerbated that because now so much of
your access is done on zoom and you would never
these days, I think see a college athlete conduct an
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interview with a media member without somebody from the school
or the athletic department being there.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Well, I would say this, if a media member was
there hearing this exchange with Dejonte Carrington, they would be
able to back up what Christine Brennan was saying and
saying that the questions were fair. They okayed it after
the fact, but then you wouldn't have had another player
walk up trying to bully Christine Brennan saying that you're
being disrespectful. There's just there's no give and take to it.
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And this is at the professional level. That's even at
the college level, Like you have to have some sort
of recognition because if you're sitting there complaining, nobody's watching
your games and nobody's paying attention. Guess what people are
now and maybe your actions, you know, should be the
ones that are called into question. That may be the
biggest problem.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
No, No, people are paying attention, Dan, but for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
They're not paying attention to watch them play basketball. They're
paying attention because of the drama, bad reality TV.
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Speaker 5 (32:47):
How great is that?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's It's amazing. It's as great as the trade that's
happened earlier today at fitting Because we wrap up the
show with this NBA deal that, by the way, has
already been moved to the bottom of the headlines of
the EA ESPN front page. That's right, Yes, the headline
of Angel Reese blasting WNBA refs is now ahead of
the Norman Powell leaving the Clippers for the Heat trade
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with John Collins going from Utah to LA. Noted Clippers fan,
but most importantly, sports talk radio host Manci bilanios his
thoughts on this three team deal.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I mean, I think this is really great pickup for
the Clippers. I am sad to see Norman Powell go.
Of course, he was a bucket for us last year,
a guaranteed bucket, especially with Kawhi Leonard out. He was
our number two, sometimes even our number one alongside James Harden.
I don't know if it was the injury. I don't
know if it was figuring out his footing once Kawhi
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Leonard came back into the starting lineup and he had
to take a side role of the number three, even
possibly a number four because of Itata Zubats definitely had
those moments.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I don't know what it was, but Norman.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Powell did not have the second second, the great second
half to the season that I think most of us wanted.
Also in the playoffs, he just couldn't get his footing right,
and so I think this is a great move also
for the Miami Heat. They're gonna get somebody who can score,
when in reality the Clippers needed a power forward. John
Collins is gonna do that. He's more athletic. He's gonna
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add defense, which Norman Powell, you know that was not
his strength. He was scoring for US Josh Collins. John
Collins isn't going to score as much. But the big
part is he's gonna alleviate on the defensive end for
Kawhi Leonard. So I think this is a really good move,
and with a stacked West, I like that the Clippers
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are staying aggressive because I thought the Clippers were already.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I mean, y'all heard me down the hallway during the playoffs.
I was like, I'm going to the finals. I'm going
to the.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Finals, and then I didn't, yeh did uh huh.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So we were already a good squad and a good team.
I like the aggressiveness here. There are rumors that they
now are looking at Bradley Beal in a buy out
with the Suns, that they could add him and I
we don't need that, we don't need that. I like
this move, this was this was nice pick up for
the Clippers, and uh, we're going to the finals.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I appreciate your passion for this trade because I'm the
exact opposite. But I will say this that they get younger.
According to the reports that Paula is not likely to
sound an extension with the Clippers anyway, and in a
way to show no disrespect but ultimately no doubt about it,
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disrespect the player we're talking about Norman Powell there, and
and I think a lot of teams have to realize
that there are there are pieces that are nice pieces.
To your point, they have reason to move it. Miami
finds value and can you like him? Yeah? Absolutely better
fit there. Ye, maybe he's a better fit for them
(35:48):
long term as well, so they get a year in
advance in scouting and determining what they want to do.
Collins is twenty seven years old, could find a long
term home as well because he's entering the final year
of his contract. The Jazz are a part of this deal.
That's how he comes over. They get second round picks.
Kevin Love is a part of this deal. I don't
think Kevin Love is gonna play one second of basketball
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for the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
No, you probably go to a buyout and probably go
to the Lakers. That's why he was having dinner with
Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Michael Scott win win win, like a win win win
situation for this trade. But I just go to the
fact you had feelings for Norman Powell considering what he
provided to the Clippers. That sometimes can cloud your thinking.
You keep guys around too long or feel that this
is part of the quarterly Sometimes you got to separate
(36:37):
the faces and the names, and doing deals just to
get younger and stronger in the front court seems to
pay off.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Absolutely appreciative of what he did.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I mean he even you know, the third home game
for the playoffs got into it to him was a
Norman Powell shirt. Like the appreciation was shown early on,
and I thought he should have been an All Star
the whole thing. He was so great for us, so
so great. It didn't end OUs great. I think he
can thrive in Miami. Welcome Collins to the Clippers. He's
going to be a big pick up for us.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Now you made me feel bad from my All Star
take earlier today and saying it doesn't matter, guys are
All Stars. Now I'm thinking about it. I remember my guy,
Jim Jackson should have gone into the NBA All Star
Game one season he was like fourth in the league
in scoring, did not get in, injured his ankle, and
then never had the career that he had up to
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that point. And so now I feel bad about saying
bring in more stars and young stars in the All
Star Game. Who cares about these snubs that we don't
care about, because that could have been Norman Powell's only
All Star chance and it was it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Thanks Lebron for announcing last minute though you weren't gonna play.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And I'll correct myself, and I'll correct myself. The East stinks,
so you'll probably start in the All Stars.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
That's right, he's going to be in next year.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
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