July 14, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan and Monse in for C&R as they respond to Jason Stewart's take that Barry Bonds should not be celebrated at a ballpark. Dan and Monse debate the necessity of the Homerun Derby at the All-Star Game.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Okay, it may have been a day off. Sorry, everything
blends into one during the summertime, Manzi. Yeah, but somebody
threw a pitch this weekend, and somebody here at Fox
Sports Radio is not very happy about it. Welcome in.
We are in for Convena on Rich. We're not the
only ones here. Isaac long Crown is at the news
desk giving us the latest. Jason Stewart's our executive producer,
and our technical producer is Ryan Smith. It's a big
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day for you, Monzie, because in a couple of hours
we'll find out, or you will find out. We won't
find out until tomorrow that you may have jury duty tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Oh, I know, I've never had to report. Everybody's like,
why do you just throw it away? Y'all? I've been
throwing it away for years, and this time I chose
not to. Okay, I chose to be a good person
and now I'm waiting. But the times that I have
uh called in, I've never been asked to report, So
I've never actually gone in like you have. The times
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that i've that I've you know, called in, I know
you don't need to report, So I'm hoping I don't
need to report.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, I'm just gonna tell you next time, don't say
you threw it away. Don't give me the air quotes
that you called in when you didn't misle. This is
all of this is all responsibility. Manzi could be on
jury duty tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yes, yes, I could be.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
We'll find out in a few hours out if you're
back with us tomorrow or not. You'll find out in
a couple of hours. We'll find out tomorrow. It was
on Saturday that the Giants and Dodgers played baseball in
San Francisco, and what a day it was to honor
Barry Bonds. Barry Bobs throwing out the first pitch to
the in the game between the NL West Division rivals.
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I don't think that it is a sign of healing.
I think that it is a sign of the San
Francisco Giants promoting one of their own. But Jason Stewarts,
our executive producer, had a big, big problem with the
Giants and Barry Bonds putting on a showcase on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And there's context for this, right because they the owner
of the Giants, I think, just recently said that there's
likely going to be a statue in front of AT
and T Park. And then also Sammy Soso, remember he
was brought back to Wrigley to a standing ovation recently.
And I think it's a disturbing trend, as I pointed
out in my in my ex post, disturbing trend of
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like major League Baseball for giving the steroid era, like
the the faces of the steroid era, Barry Bonds and
Sammy Sosa bastardized the sport more than anybody. They they
are the ones that ruin the record books. They're the
ones that were the poster children for that era. So
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it's like you always hear this, everybody was doing it,
they were just doing it better than everybody. Like there
are so many justifications for that era that I saw
this weekend in my post, and I thought, well, this
probably makes for good sports talk fodder because I can't
believe how forgiving people are, and I can't believe that
the current leadership in baseball acknowledges that that was an
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era that they're embarrassed of and they shouldn't have looked
the other way, and now they're celebrating the key figures
of that era. It doesn't rub me the right way.
But I'm an old kurmudgeon baseball fan.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I will say this that I think that there is
a unique audience, and it doesn't mean that it's a
small audience that is up in arms over this. I
think that I am not surprised that Barry Bonds got
cheered for the San Francisco Giants. I think baseball fans
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are mad at steroid users when they're not when they're
not on their team. Okay, so, and I'm only saying
this because Ryan Brawn of the Brewers was one who
was caught up in a later scandal with Bosh and
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Florida part of what a rod was brought into. And
each each team may have their own player in terms
of supporting it. For the Giants, it just happens to
be one of the best that they've ever had. For
the Brewers, Ryan broad Like, Truly, it was a great
Milwaukee Brewer not up there with with YOUNGT Molitor and
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how they're revered, so Bonds is at a different level.
But it's I expect Jason to be mad as a
baseball fan, but I don't expect Giants fans to be mad.
I actually don't expect major League Baseball to be mad
about it, because it sure seemed like they were fine
with how everything went as it was going on. I
think the farce was feeling that they were mad about it.
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So it's such a unique sort of deal. But I
get why it turns you off. But I don't know
what we need to do to barry Bonds, especially if
it's a home baseball game, to penalize him. Does he
have to stay away? I mean, he's been a coach
in Major League Baseball since then, right, so why shouldn't
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he have the opportunity to go and at least throw
out a first pitch in front of the home fans, who, really,
I feel, have absolutely no problem with what he did
throughout his career in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So I hear where you may not like it, Jason,
I understand, but I am not bothered by it for
a couple of reasons. Here, I think the fact that
Barry Bonds never won a World I'm right, right, he
never won a World Series. Right, that adds to it,
like if he would have won, and let's say he
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won a lot. I think that's part of it. Sammy Sosa,
Mark McGuire won one. But did Mark McGuire when he
won one? Was he on the steroids? Wasn't that before
or like at the start?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Mark McGuire won in nineteen eighty nine and wasn't.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The aeroids and the serods and like the nine whatever?
So he has won, Sammy Sosa.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But this way, I would be shocked if Mark McGuire
wasn't on something in.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The in that year. A year he's got one.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I was so ripped.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yes, but they didn't win a bunch like they were. Yes,
the bash brothers right, but like I think them not
winning is one of the reasons. It doesn't bother me. Also,
I understand, like they cheated, you still have to hit
the ball. To me, knowing the pitch is worse than
you juicing up. Like if I'm a pitcher and you
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know what I'm about to pitch, that I would not
stand for knowing that year juiced up. I'll be like
try and hit it anyway. I'm still gonna try to
strike you out, Like, yeah, they're stronger, but they still
have to hit the ball. So that's another part of it.
And Barry Bond's specifically going out for the Giants game,
like I don't care. I don't know if it's that
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I'm moving on and forgiving. I don't know if I
genuinely was ever really mad.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If I'm being honest, and I think that that's part
of where it is in baseball. There was I don't
think there was ever a point where Barry Bonds is
hitting seventy three home runs in a season in Giants
fans like, I'm not watching this.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Crap exactly, you know, like or baseball fans, not even
just Giants fans right, like you were tuning in to
see Barry bar.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
At the time at the time. Yes, I think in
later years you can feel scorn like Jason. I do.
And I looked at Jason's tweet. I didn't realize you
tweeted it until today, Jason. But the response is to it,
if you don't mind me shut up. That was from
from Marshall Eric in the south Side right, signed Shoeless
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Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. That's what I'll get it to.
Somebody wrote, Hey, al Berry knew it was the cream
and the clear. Someone bad take Jim Rome voice, You're
gonna be okay like those sort of things. So you're
getting a lot of hate with all of this. But
the Pete Rose thing pops up, and the thing with
Pete Rose was there was there was the opportunity where
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he was betting against his team just for the whole sake.
And it's argument as old as time of the day
you don't bet on him is the day that you're
not betting on your team to win. So if you're
betting on the Reds one day and then you don't
bet on them the next, that means you're not as
confident that they're going to win the next So in essence,
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you think that the day before the first day is
the day that they're going to win. So then you
also may use your bullpen in a different way, may
play different players in a different way. There's a slippery
slope when it comes to Pete Rose. I don't know,
and you can maybe tell me on what people may
think that the slippery slope is on the flip side
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of Barry Bonds just trying to be the best and
trying to trying to win in set records. It may
be ruining the baseball record book. But again, I don't
think San Francisco Giants fans care. I don't know if
Milwaukee Brewer fans care that Ryan Brown did what he did.
I don't know if Cubs fans obviously not anymore. I
hate what Sammy Sosa did, But on the Rose thing,
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I think that there are two sides to it. On
the steroid thing, I'm not sure that there are two
sides to it.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I always say this that, like the the Pete Rose thing,
I think uh like tears at the fabric of the game.
You know, you always hear this. The second that your
audience thinks that they're showing up for WWE, you've lost
the credibility of your sport. And if they think that
players on the field are compromised or throwing the game,
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then that works at the fabric of the sport. The
steroid guys were doing something that was against the law
of the land. People say that it was against the rules.
It wasn't against the rules in baseball, And I always
say this, there's a difference between it not being against
the rules and the players' union literally collectively bargained the
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inability to test them for that. It doesn't mean it
wasn't against the rules. Now, these guys did it for
their own financial benefit, like for whatever reason. The revisionist
history is that these guys did it to levitate the
interest of the game. They were each in it for themselves.
I agree with that it was borderline. Minor leaguers could
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make tens of millions of dollars, you know, people making
tens of millions of dollars could be Hall of famers,
So they weren't there. There was There were no good
guys in this whole thing. But I just think that
to celebrate the people that jeopardized the credibility of the
record books, Aaron Judge had a home run number three.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Fifty this weekend.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Okay, we should be celebrating the fact that he is
the fastest player to ever do it. The problem is,
how do we even consider.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Home runs nowadays? What's good? What's not?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And it's and it's Barry Bonds's fault, it's Sammy Sosi's fault.
So for me, it's just like Monci just said, what
do we do to penalize these guys. We don't need
to penalize them anymore than they already have. They're not
in the Hall of Fame, they've already kind of reached
received their penalty. But just don't celebrate them. Don't take
a day out of the you know, the year and
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celebrate them with a statue and a first pitch. I
think that's my problem.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I I understand it. I just don't think that the
San Francisco Giants, and that's who we're talking about here
are the ones that had a problem with it or
have a problem with it afterwards. Now they may have
been the ones to turn the blind eye, just like
the twenty nine other teams in Major League Baseball. But
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there's there's I understand the numbers portion of it, Like
when we talk about the home run number. I still
I think Bonds is seven sixty two? Is that? What
is that? What the number is? Or is it seven
sixty three?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I honestly, you know we know it's seven fifty five
for Hank Aaron and Isaac de Do you know what
it is?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Well, I think you just made a great point by
saying that for the record at seven sixty two, But
a whole generation of people were raised on having seven
fourteen of Babe Ruth and seven fifty five of Hank
Aaron memorized.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And those those are the people like Jason in essence
a little bit of myself, where I don't look at
Barry Bonds's record as being the real record. Sixty one
is a lot easier to remember than seventy three. Even
when McGuire hit seventy, it was a round number, and
that was before Bonds ended up breaking it a couple
of years ago. But when McGuire stood at seventy, that
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did say something to me, and then it kind of
went away where sixty one ends up being the magic number,
and it goes away because Bonds broke seventy and then
we obviously know what happened after that. But I think
that the continuous penalty is how Monty thinks it, how
Isaac thinks of it, how I just explained it to myself.
That's the constant penalty. I can't fault the San Francisco
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Giants for honoring one of their own. Now, if Major
League Baseball were tonight in Atlanta to bring out Barry
Bonds to throw the first pitch, then I have a
then there's a problem with it. But in terms of
the local team and how they're doing it, I just
I think of the audience right now that twenty two
years ago, twenty three years ago, those people who are
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maybe early teenagers thirteen, now they're on they're buying prime
in their late thirties. They're gonna want to go to
the ballpark and see the guy that made the summer
of two thousand and two so magnificent. And so that's
why they want to go and see Barry Bonds.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, I think you just hit it. If this was
just the All Star Game in Atlanta and you're sending
Barry Bonds out, I think it would actually raise a
lot of questions and a lot of people be like,
why him. The Giants, that's their dude. He's always gonna
be their dude. But I will also say the fact
that Aaron Judge is hitting faster than anybody the three
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hundred and fifty, surpassing Mark McGuire by almost two hundred games,
it goes to show that who look at y'all, y'all
cheat it, and they are players that are still doing
this better than you right now. So maybe that's why
it like a.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I, eh, I'll tell you what when we were on
Judge Watch, Yeah, or sixty one may not be the
penalty that Jason Stewart wants for Barry Bonds, but I
think it says a lot more, just like the point
of not remembering what the actual number was that Bonds
ended up finishing with. I just remember that the single
season in the home run one of them ends in
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the three and one of them ends into two with Bonds.
So I wasn't sure if it was seven sixty two,
but seventy three is the home run number. But it's
moments like Aaron Judge hitting number sixty two, us having
to couch or characterize it by saying it's the American
League home run record stinks like that part stinks about it,
But we were watching everything that Aaron Judge was doing
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up until that point. There has been years prior to
that when John Carlo Stanton was getting close, when he
had what fifty seven or fifty nine didn't have nearly
as much of the hype, which I think Judge, being
a member of the Yankees alps with But like those
are the things like again, It wasn't like, ah, he's
fifteen away from seventy three. We were still talking about
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about sixty one. That's why I bring up Stanton, just
because he was in the National League at that point
and he was getting close to Roger Morris's market.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
You talk about ninety eight, and you talk about two
thousand and two and all these memories that these Reuters
were providing their fans. Don't you feel duped? In other words,
I look back on that. I too was excited for
all that. As a baseball fan. I was ignorant to
what was going on. But then after it was revealed
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that all these guys were cheating, then I then I
felt bad, and I felt worse because I fell for it.
It's kind of like the Milli Vanilli thing. It's like
we're not putting Milli Vanilli in the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame because they were shams. They were cheated
like people who went to their concerts. Feel probably really
stupid right now.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't know if this is this just popped into
my head. I did not feel stupid like you did.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I don't feel like they pulled one over on me.
Then that's the difference I think in this argument, right, Yeah,
I think so. I also think that there's something happening
right now where, like I joke, so, James Wood's the
first time All Star for the Nationals, and I remember
I talked to you guys of there was a stat
that came out that, like, James Wood at the second
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highest exit velocity of any player in the big leagues
outside of like sho Hey Otani or.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Something like that, and we were like, what the hell
does that mean?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, but but New Baseball is like, that's freaking amazing,
right and so so now and maybe Jason doesn't want
to hear, but if you were to tell somebody what
Barry Bonds's exit velocity was at that time compared to
you know what it is now, they may be blown
away by those numbers. They're maybe not caring about the
numbers that Isaac cared about, that you cared about, Jason,
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that Ryan cared about them, Onto cared about, that I
cared about of sixty one, of seven fifty five, and
of those numbers, and us being fans of those numbers
and trying to be protector of the record books may
start to diminish even more as time goes by. So
then at what point do you say to Sammy Sosa
and Barry Bonds, people don't even care about the records anymore,
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but we're still going to hold you out like that.
I don't maybe to your point, that's the principle of it.
I just don't think that. At some point, I do
think that there has to be some leniency. And I
just look at the Giants and being like, they never
felt that it was bad. Maybe maybe they felt dirty
as Bonds was and Balco were being dragged through the mud,
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But at no point did I do I feel that
the Giants had any sort of backlash for what Barry
Bonds was.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
They never did. The Giants fans from day one have
always been behind the guy. They really haven't even waivered.
I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And and and Sammy Sosa was up and down. Sammy
Sosa was also busted with an illegal bat right, so
like there's.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
What he was doing it just for the fans? Is
that what he said? I cork my bats for the fans.
So you're on roids and you cork your bats.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So that's you know, there's there's something with that. Do
you think steroids and corking your bats are the same thing, honestly,
honest questions. I mean they're both cheating, right, That's that's
the point.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's why they're about cheating.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Like I look at I look at steroids. I'm more
I'm more appalled by corking of the bats.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I am too than because you still't have to hit
the ball. Yes, like you still have you're strong enough,
but you still have to hit the ball. But I
am more offended by the corking of the bat.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I remember that being in an argument at the time
on sports talk radio that you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't
hit fifty home runs in a year. And I'll always
say this, it takes an intense, high level skill, level
of hand eye coordination to hit a baseball on a
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major league level. So I've never argued that point, but
I will say this, like the Jason Giombies of the
world that were able to make three hundred million dollars
in their career as opposed to just kind of have
a career. It takes those high level handball coordination people,
and it just made everyone this this like fake. I
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don't even know what you say. There's just a certain
quality to it. It's just artificial and I'll never get
over that part. So I think that's my problem.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Also the players, some of the players had much longer careers.
Crazy to think that Bonds would be a better hitter
in his later years than he was early on in
his career. But it's Roger Clemens, and we grew up
in a time monster you weren't born yet. Where Roger
Clemens was was the deal in the eighties, and then
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to do the things that he then ended up doing
in the nineties with the Blue Jays and the Yankees,
and it kind of being the same Roger Clemens, and
I do feel I do feel dumb to that point
of looking back and saying, look at Roger Clemens, you go,
you go, old man, and then just being naive to it.
So there's I I think that if you're a fan
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of those teams and that's what this is, you're not
going to be bothered. But if it was a league
wide thing, again with the All Star Game, then it's
a bigger issue. Remember when Pete Rose, it wasn't Atlanta, right,
was it? At the World Series where they did the
All Century Team, and then Jim Gray asked him the question,
was that Fenway or I thought, okay, yeah, I thought
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it was a world sew am.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I mixing the Ted Williams thing.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
With Yeah, Isaac Loh and cron has got some information.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, it was before Game two of the Night ninety
nine World Series in Atlanta Braves Yankees.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yes, so there's Pete Rose at that point of a
major League baseball thing being welcomed back. And I'll say this,
there were more people on Rose's side than I think.
I don't think there are people who are passionate for
Barry Bonds. I think there are people who are indifferent
to Barry Bonds. Right now, you're passionately against it. There
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are more people who I think are passionately against it
than are passionately for Barry Bonds. But with Pete Rose,
different story. There were passionate people for it and passion
passionate people against Pete Rose. And I think that's what
also made his situation so unique. By the way, Pete
Rose is getting in the Hall of Fame because he's
dead like that is it's true because you will hear
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people say, oh, of course, now that he's gone, you
put him in. No, that's the reason that he's in
the rule that Rob Manfred a Major League Baseball wrote
is your lifetime ban is done when you're dead. So
if Pete Rose we're still alive today, he would not
be in the Hall of Fame, and Monty and I
would be having this conversation with Jason at another time
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whenever Pete Rose. But that is that is why Pete
Rose is now in the Hall of Fame. Barry Bonds
may have to wait till that point to be honestly
blunt to it, to truly get past it. She's Moncey Blago.
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I know it's a little different on remote, but we
are not going to do that. Instead, Mancy has got
her jury summons, so all week long, she's got a
call in today. She's good, she's here with us. We
have no idea if she's going to be with us
tomorrow because of her jury situation.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
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Speaker 1 (23:37):
Looks pretty sharp in those New Balance commercials, Right, yeah,
I could see how it could happen. Moncey again on
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We're playing Jury duty here off Fox Sports Radio. Jury
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has made up with three members the foreman Jason Stewart.
There's Isaac Lohan Kron and Ryan Smith. They are the
three person jury is Mancey, Belanios and myself debate a topic.
We will debate it for the next five minutes or so.
The jury will then deliberate and come back with their verdict.
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Here is the topic of discussion. Home run derby good
or bad for the All Star Game. Moncey, call it
in the air. Heads you go first, Tails, I go first, Tales, Okay, no,
it's it's no wait, it's heads you go first, Tails,
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I go first. I wanted to call Okay, okay, so
I go first. I actually think the home run derby
is not good for the All Star Game. The ratings
for the All Star Game, like any other major sport
outside of the Super Bowl, surely have diminished throughout time.
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But what happens with the All Star Game is it's
like when you open presence on Christmas Eve. On Christmas Day,
you get presents, but you've already opened presents the night before,
so it isn't as special. There isn't that anticipation. What
the home run derby does is it shows you everything.
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It shows you the ballpark, it shows you the stars.
When I watch a Home Run Derby, I'm seeing bombs
hit four hundred and fifty feet four to seventy, and
we're seeing all of the players together in their uniform.
It's basically the All Star Game, except in a different version.
It completely takes away the newness and the uniqueness of
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the All Star Game because you have an event that
is just as big the night prior. And that's what
I don't like about it. If you're a Christmas Morning
presence person, Christmas Morning is magnificent, but if you're a
Christmas Eve presence person, it's much better than it is
on Christmas Day because it's the first time that you're
getting to open presents. So even if you're seeing a
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list of Home Run Derby participants that you don't think
is great, it still takes the sparkle off the newness
that is the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Dan. First of all, nobody ever said they didn't want
to open Christmas presents two days in a row or
three days in a row, So no, that is not
it at all. You're comparing the Home Run Derby to
like the Slam Dunk Contest, or like the NFL Pro Game,
Pro Bowl games that nobody wants to watch. The Home
Run Derby and the MLB All Star Game are not
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the same. In fact, am I gonna see Trek Scooble tonight?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You see my hockey ball schemes tonight. No, I'm not
gonna see Jacob Mazerowski either. I'm gonna see some of
the hitters that are hitting balls out of the ballpark
all season, like Cal Rawley, who's diving an incredible here
to see what he can go do in a short
amount of time. People love home runs. That is why
you know there are stories that maybe Baseball themselves that
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change the ball a little bit because fans love the
home love the home runs in the real game. This
is not diminishing the All Star Game in any way,
shape or form. It is setting you up for a
fun All Star game. Both of them are competitive. There's
still pride in both of these events. And the Home
Run Derby you're seeing the hitters, that's all you're seeing,
and it's more relaxed and fun. Then you get to
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the All Star Game and that is still competitive. Because
nobody wants to go out there and strike out. It
look like an idiot. Nobody wants to go out there
and lave a ball and give up a big home
run to someone, They're still pride in the All Star Game.
And that's the big difference. So it doesn't ruin the
All Star Game. MLB is fun and you actually get
to see the best hitters right now, or more exciting hitters.
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James Wood apparently has ten of the furthest home runs
this season out of all of them. Like there, it's
not the same. It is a nice appetizer for what
you're gonna get on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, one of my let me just put it this
way to run down my favorite RBI doubles that we've
had in All Star Game history. I can't even remember it.
The point is is, you know what I love about
All Star Games. When a guy hits a home run
like bo Jackson did to dead center field in Anaheim.
You know what would have made that less exciting is
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if you wouldn't hit twenty eight of them the night
before that went one hundred feet further. That's the point
of it. We don't even have All Star memories from
the past because or from recent history. Because we're remembering
great performances in home run Derby's. We're remembering celebrations. We're
remembering the timeout and so and so walking up to
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Prince Fielder and giving them some gatorade. It is completely
overshadowed memories that we have because when I'm watching an
All Star Game, Yeah, I want to see a guy
take a picture deep, but guess what I saw it
one hundred and twenty eight times the night before by
eight different players in the big leagues. It's it's supposed
to be an appetizer, but sometimes, my let's be real,
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the mazzarella sticks take away from the meal that you're
about to eat. And I think that's what happens with
the home run derby.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I don't see that at all. In fact, if cal
Rawly wins the home run Derby tonight and I don't
know has thirty five home runs and he hits a
home run for the All Star Game, that's it. Yes,
look at he's not losing his stride there he is.
He did it yesterday. It adds to it. It adds
to the story. And because it is the big players,
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it's names you recognize going out there to hit. And again,
it's not you have your dad throwing to you, you
have your buddy throwing to you, it's not the exact
same leverage that we're gonna get on Tuesday. So to me,
it's almost apples and oranges, like one doesn't take away
from the other, in fact, it enhances it for me.
And I just want to see how many home runs
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they can hit in a two minute span, because I'm
not gonna get that on Tuesday. On Tuesday, I'm gonna
get individual matchups. That's what I'm looking for Monday's I'm
in for all the fun. H these home runs Fellas.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I think the band was about to quit on you,
and then you just kept going, Jerry, Okay, yeah, there
it is cal raw ejection. By the way, if cal
Raley hits one five hundred and twelve feet tonight, yep,
that's all people are going to talk about. It's not
gonna matter what he does in tomorrow's game. I just
think Tomorrow's games I think it was I think it
was a great idea. It's like the Final Four, the
Final Four Saturday is ended up overshadowing the Monday night
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Championship game because you're like, Wow, it's the Final Four.
It's the newness of it, and now you're seeing you're
seeing all the sites that you'll see, except you'll just
see them tomorrow night. I rest my.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Case, Jerry Doody, you're talking about cal Rawley. If he
wins the Home Run Derby and he hits a home
run in the All Star Game, nobody's going to care
about the Alstar Game. It's going to go back to
what he did in the Home Run Derby. But the
All Star Game has other players that you didn't get
to see tonight, Like the big pictures you're going for
the matchups you're not going to watch for the same reasons. Oh,
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this is just for fun. Tonight is fun for everybody involved.
Hitters fans. You get to see the biggest hit the
biggest hitters all in one night, and then tomorrow night
you get to see the best pictures taking on some
of the best hitters.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right, for mean you got you got enough.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I've heard enough, so we're gonna convene and then come
back with the verdict.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
The verdicts will be yes after the break. Okay, all right,
there it is. She's Monty Blago, So I'm Dan Bayer.
She is four. I am against, and I fully know
Monty is much more well liked her on these halways
than I am, so I'm already at a disadvantage. We'll
see who wins and not so fast. My friend oh
line out Max. She's Monty Blagos. I'm Dan Byer in
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Speaker 1 (31:51):
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Speaker 3 (32:44):
I wonder if they're going to enjoy the home run derby.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I have you been? Did you go to the one?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
I did?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I did?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
It was like a lot of fun. It's just for
the fans, the experience of being there and then just
seeing so many big hitters and stars because it's not
like the slam Dunk contest where you're like who's in it?
You typically know these names, so you get to see them,
you know, do what they do best.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Not to be a negative Nancy Is. I know our
verdict is coming down in a second. But the one
thing that does not translate on TV is the breaks
in between the hitters. So there's a lot of downtime.
It's not just an inning changeover where it's there is
a lot. And honestly, after you've seen fifty home runs,
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the fifty first and fifty second are just kind of like, okay,
Like at first it's electric, yeah, and then as the
night goes on. I was there when Josh Hamilton went
on fire in New York in two thousand and eight,
and so each one that he hit was just further
and further and further. Now, Josh Hamilton was so tired.
He lost to Justin Morno in the finals, but it
was so electric because of all the home runs that
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he hit. Now, with the different rules, there's even more
home runs hit. It's a different animal. I think it's
a longer night for the fan watching the game because
of how it's all.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It is in You're right, it doesn't translate at home.
It's not the same than being in person. But you know,
you can get up, grab a drink, grab a snack,
come back watch the next hitter.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, all right, let's let's go to the foreman. Jason Stewart.
I believe a verdict is in Mazi saying that the
home run derby not only doesn't hurt the All Star Game,
but actually helps it. Y I say that it's kind
of diminished the Midsummer Classic.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Now, as the jury foreman and the executive producer of
the show, I made it. I made an executive decision
because there were questions being asked by jurors, and instead
of answering them off the air or getting answers off
the air, I wanted the listeners to experience the entire process.
So there's a couple questions from the jurors before we
give you the verdict. I have all the information. So,
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and like a murder trial, does the verdict have to
be unonymous? No, it does not have to be unanimous.
Just unanimous anonymous or unanonymous. Yeah, I got it because
that was the I would have been the swing vote
in this and I could. I could be convinced either way.
So two out of three the winner.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Here.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
The verdict was two out of three. And I won't
name any names because I want to make it awkward,
but both of the people, I'll just give the verdict
right now. Moncey, you made the better point. You made
Moncey wins.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
That's the prize.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
By the way, thank you for the one hundred dollars
Amazon gift card. Oh sorry.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Sorry, and you are guilty. Guilty it's guilty of not
making a better point. That's that's what you're guilty of.
One of the people who voted for Moncey said, if
his point was just it's it's just too much. That
isn't good enough for me. Even though I agree with
this point, Moncey made better points. Another person pointed out
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the fact that Monci's points about pitchers and fielders the
next day you see the entire game. Those are great points,
and again that's that won him over in this in
this debate, but they actually agree with you, Dan, so
and then there was just a point where I, you know,
somebody named me felt that Dan made great points, and
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I very much agree with this point.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Overall, that cat wasn't let out of the bag. It
was yanked out.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
But the verdict is in Monsey wins.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I knew it was an uphill climb, But I have
to respect the jury's decision because you know what they
didn't do. They didn't take their summons and throw it away.
They didn't postpone their jury duty. They didn't push it
off until weeks and months ahead. They took the responsibility.
So I have to accept the decision of my peers,
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even though I disagree with it. I think tonight is
and I say this, I say this as a Christmas
Eve opener of presents. That's what we always did. Christmas
Eve was amazing, which made Christmas little little different, but
it was so I understand what the the home run
derby is. But I appreciate the decision and thank you
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at least for hearing me out.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
You know, it was a good debate. You had a
good point that sometimes the Mozzarelli sticks ruin the main entree.
You're not wrong about that. I just really don't think
that is the case here. You're not wrong that maybe
the experience is different at home, but I really find
them so different. I don't find them the same.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I know you don't eat meat, but would you eat
mazzarella sticks and then have a veggie cheeseburger after that?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Oh you would. Okay, I think it's a lot of cheese.
It is a lot of saying like I thought you
would like very maybe like no onion rings or let's
just do I'll do. I don't know what another substitute
of veggie is, So you're not the right person.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Mozzarellisticks last night, and then I had a margerite, a
cheese pizza.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
That doesn't. Yeah, that's it's it's too much for me.
That's I like the least separation of it. But I
will take in the home run derby, and obviously I'll
take in the All Star Game tomorrow because there will
be great moments, but it will be a different watch. Jerry.
Appreciate your your time and consideration. We aren't going to
name names on who voted for who, but I know
I know what was split. I mean, obviously, if Jason
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says he's the deciding vote, he voted for you, right,
we don't no, no, no, what okay yea yeah aheah exact.
As much as you would like to keep it anonymous,
at least it wasn't unanimous. Mancy. I hope to do
it again with you tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's not good luck on Jerry duty. She's Monty on dance.
Could you know I'm right
Hey, thanks for listening to the Cadino and Rich podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Okay, it may have been a day off. Sorry, everything
blends into one during the summertime, Manzi. Yeah, but somebody
threw a pitch this weekend, and somebody here at Fox
Sports Radio is not very happy about it. Welcome in.
We are in for Convena on Rich. We're not the
only ones here. Isaac long Crown is at the news
desk giving us the latest. Jason Stewart's our executive producer,
and our technical producer is Ryan Smith. It's a big
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day for you, Monzie, because in a couple of hours
we'll find out, or you will find out. We won't
find out until tomorrow that you may have jury duty tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Oh, I know, I've never had to report. Everybody's like,
why do you just throw it away? Y'all? I've been
throwing it away for years, and this time I chose
not to. Okay, I chose to be a good person
and now I'm waiting. But the times that I have
uh called in, I've never been asked to report, So
I've never actually gone in like you have. The times
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that i've that I've you know, called in, I know
you don't need to report, So I'm hoping I don't
need to report.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, I'm just gonna tell you next time, don't say
you threw it away. Don't give me the air quotes
that you called in when you didn't misle. This is
all of this is all responsibility. Manzi could be on
jury duty tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yes, yes, I could be.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
We'll find out in a few hours out if you're
back with us tomorrow or not. You'll find out in
a couple of hours. We'll find out tomorrow. It was
on Saturday that the Giants and Dodgers played baseball in
San Francisco, and what a day it was to honor
Barry Bonds. Barry Bobs throwing out the first pitch to
the in the game between the NL West Division rivals.
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I don't think that it is a sign of healing.
I think that it is a sign of the San
Francisco Giants promoting one of their own. But Jason Stewarts,
our executive producer, had a big, big problem with the
Giants and Barry Bonds putting on a showcase on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And there's context for this, right because they the owner
of the Giants, I think, just recently said that there's
likely going to be a statue in front of AT
and T Park. And then also Sammy Soso, remember he
was brought back to Wrigley to a standing ovation recently.
And I think it's a disturbing trend, as I pointed
out in my in my ex post, disturbing trend of
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like major League Baseball for giving the steroid era, like
the the faces of the steroid era, Barry Bonds and
Sammy Sosa bastardized the sport more than anybody. They they
are the ones that ruin the record books. They're the
ones that were the poster children for that era. So
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it's like you always hear this, everybody was doing it,
they were just doing it better than everybody. Like there
are so many justifications for that era that I saw
this weekend in my post, and I thought, well, this
probably makes for good sports talk fodder because I can't
believe how forgiving people are, and I can't believe that
the current leadership in baseball acknowledges that that was an
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era that they're embarrassed of and they shouldn't have looked
the other way, and now they're celebrating the key figures
of that era. It doesn't rub me the right way.
But I'm an old kurmudgeon baseball fan.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I will say this that I think that there is
a unique audience, and it doesn't mean that it's a
small audience that is up in arms over this. I
think that I am not surprised that Barry Bonds got
cheered for the San Francisco Giants. I think baseball fans
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are mad at steroid users when they're not when they're
not on their team. Okay, so, and I'm only saying
this because Ryan Brawn of the Brewers was one who
was caught up in a later scandal with Bosh and
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Florida part of what a rod was brought into. And
each each team may have their own player in terms
of supporting it. For the Giants, it just happens to
be one of the best that they've ever had. For
the Brewers, Ryan broad Like, Truly, it was a great
Milwaukee Brewer not up there with with YOUNGT Molitor and
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how they're revered, so Bonds is at a different level.
But it's I expect Jason to be mad as a
baseball fan, but I don't expect Giants fans to be mad.
I actually don't expect major League Baseball to be mad
about it, because it sure seemed like they were fine
with how everything went as it was going on. I
think the farce was feeling that they were mad about it.
(05:07):
So it's such a unique sort of deal. But I
get why it turns you off. But I don't know
what we need to do to barry Bonds, especially if
it's a home baseball game, to penalize him. Does he
have to stay away? I mean, he's been a coach
in Major League Baseball since then, right, so why shouldn't
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he have the opportunity to go and at least throw
out a first pitch in front of the home fans, who, really,
I feel, have absolutely no problem with what he did
throughout his career in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So I hear where you may not like it, Jason,
I understand, but I am not bothered by it for
a couple of reasons. Here, I think the fact that
Barry Bonds never won a World I'm right, right, he
never won a World Series. Right, that adds to it,
like if he would have won, and let's say he
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won a lot. I think that's part of it. Sammy Sosa,
Mark McGuire won one. But did Mark McGuire when he
won one? Was he on the steroids? Wasn't that before
or like at the start?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Mark McGuire won in nineteen eighty nine and wasn't.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The aeroids and the serods and like the nine whatever?
So he has won, Sammy Sosa.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But this way, I would be shocked if Mark McGuire
wasn't on something in.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The in that year. A year he's got one.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I was so ripped.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yes, but they didn't win a bunch like they were. Yes,
the bash brothers right, but like I think them not
winning is one of the reasons. It doesn't bother me. Also,
I understand, like they cheated, you still have to hit
the ball. To me, knowing the pitch is worse than
you juicing up. Like if I'm a pitcher and you
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know what I'm about to pitch, that I would not
stand for knowing that year juiced up. I'll be like
try and hit it anyway. I'm still gonna try to
strike you out, Like, yeah, they're stronger, but they still
have to hit the ball. So that's another part of it.
And Barry Bond's specifically going out for the Giants game,
like I don't care. I don't know if it's that
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I'm moving on and forgiving. I don't know if I
genuinely was ever really mad.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If I'm being honest, and I think that that's part
of where it is in baseball. There was I don't
think there was ever a point where Barry Bonds is
hitting seventy three home runs in a season in Giants
fans like, I'm not watching this.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Crap exactly, you know, like or baseball fans, not even
just Giants fans right, like you were tuning in to
see Barry bar.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
At the time at the time. Yes, I think in
later years you can feel scorn like Jason. I do.
And I looked at Jason's tweet. I didn't realize you
tweeted it until today, Jason. But the response is to it,
if you don't mind me shut up. That was from
from Marshall Eric in the south Side right, signed Shoeless
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Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. That's what I'll get it to.
Somebody wrote, Hey, al Berry knew it was the cream
and the clear. Someone bad take Jim Rome voice, You're
gonna be okay like those sort of things. So you're
getting a lot of hate with all of this. But
the Pete Rose thing pops up, and the thing with
Pete Rose was there was there was the opportunity where
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he was betting against his team just for the whole sake.
And it's argument as old as time of the day
you don't bet on him is the day that you're
not betting on your team to win. So if you're
betting on the Reds one day and then you don't
bet on them the next, that means you're not as
confident that they're going to win the next So in essence,
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you think that the day before the first day is
the day that they're going to win. So then you
also may use your bullpen in a different way, may
play different players in a different way. There's a slippery
slope when it comes to Pete Rose. I don't know,
and you can maybe tell me on what people may
think that the slippery slope is on the flip side
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of Barry Bonds just trying to be the best and
trying to trying to win in set records. It may
be ruining the baseball record book. But again, I don't
think San Francisco Giants fans care. I don't know if
Milwaukee Brewer fans care that Ryan Brown did what he did.
I don't know if Cubs fans obviously not anymore. I
hate what Sammy Sosa did, But on the Rose thing,
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I think that there are two sides to it. On
the steroid thing, I'm not sure that there are two
sides to it.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I always say this that, like the the Pete Rose thing,
I think uh like tears at the fabric of the game.
You know, you always hear this. The second that your
audience thinks that they're showing up for WWE, you've lost
the credibility of your sport. And if they think that
players on the field are compromised or throwing the game,
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then that works at the fabric of the sport. The
steroid guys were doing something that was against the law
of the land. People say that it was against the rules.
It wasn't against the rules in baseball, And I always
say this, there's a difference between it not being against
the rules and the players' union literally collectively bargained the
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inability to test them for that. It doesn't mean it
wasn't against the rules. Now, these guys did it for
their own financial benefit, like for whatever reason. The revisionist
history is that these guys did it to levitate the
interest of the game. They were each in it for themselves.
I agree with that it was borderline. Minor leaguers could
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make tens of millions of dollars, you know, people making
tens of millions of dollars could be Hall of famers,
So they weren't there. There was There were no good
guys in this whole thing. But I just think that
to celebrate the people that jeopardized the credibility of the
record books, Aaron Judge had a home run number three.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Fifty this weekend.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Okay, we should be celebrating the fact that he is
the fastest player to ever do it. The problem is,
how do we even consider.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Home runs nowadays? What's good? What's not?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And it's and it's Barry Bonds's fault, it's Sammy Sosi's fault.
So for me, it's just like Monci just said, what
do we do to penalize these guys. We don't need
to penalize them anymore than they already have. They're not
in the Hall of Fame, they've already kind of reached
received their penalty. But just don't celebrate them. Don't take
a day out of the you know, the year and
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celebrate them with a statue and a first pitch. I
think that's my problem.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I I understand it. I just don't think that the
San Francisco Giants, and that's who we're talking about here
are the ones that had a problem with it or
have a problem with it afterwards. Now they may have
been the ones to turn the blind eye, just like
the twenty nine other teams in Major League Baseball. But
(11:59):
there's there's I understand the numbers portion of it, Like
when we talk about the home run number. I still
I think Bonds is seven sixty two? Is that? What
is that? What the number is? Or is it seven
sixty three?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I honestly, you know we know it's seven fifty five
for Hank Aaron and Isaac de Do you know what
it is?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Well, I think you just made a great point by
saying that for the record at seven sixty two, But
a whole generation of people were raised on having seven
fourteen of Babe Ruth and seven fifty five of Hank
Aaron memorized.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And those those are the people like Jason in essence
a little bit of myself, where I don't look at
Barry Bonds's record as being the real record. Sixty one
is a lot easier to remember than seventy three. Even
when McGuire hit seventy, it was a round number, and
that was before Bonds ended up breaking it a couple
of years ago. But when McGuire stood at seventy, that
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did say something to me, and then it kind of
went away where sixty one ends up being the magic number,
and it goes away because Bonds broke seventy and then
we obviously know what happened after that. But I think
that the continuous penalty is how Monty thinks it, how
Isaac thinks of it, how I just explained it to myself.
That's the constant penalty. I can't fault the San Francisco
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Giants for honoring one of their own. Now, if Major
League Baseball were tonight in Atlanta to bring out Barry
Bonds to throw the first pitch, then I have a
then there's a problem with it. But in terms of
the local team and how they're doing it, I just
I think of the audience right now that twenty two
years ago, twenty three years ago, those people who are
(13:40):
maybe early teenagers thirteen, now they're on they're buying prime
in their late thirties. They're gonna want to go to
the ballpark and see the guy that made the summer
of two thousand and two so magnificent. And so that's
why they want to go and see Barry Bonds.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, I think you just hit it. If this was
just the All Star Game in Atlanta and you're sending
Barry Bonds out, I think it would actually raise a
lot of questions and a lot of people be like,
why him. The Giants, that's their dude. He's always gonna
be their dude. But I will also say the fact
that Aaron Judge is hitting faster than anybody the three
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hundred and fifty, surpassing Mark McGuire by almost two hundred games,
it goes to show that who look at y'all, y'all
cheat it, and they are players that are still doing
this better than you right now. So maybe that's why
it like a.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I, eh, I'll tell you what when we were on
Judge Watch, Yeah, or sixty one may not be the
penalty that Jason Stewart wants for Barry Bonds, but I
think it says a lot more, just like the point
of not remembering what the actual number was that Bonds
ended up finishing with. I just remember that the single
season in the home run one of them ends in
(14:49):
the three and one of them ends into two with Bonds.
So I wasn't sure if it was seven sixty two,
but seventy three is the home run number. But it's
moments like Aaron Judge hitting number sixty two, us having
to couch or characterize it by saying it's the American
League home run record stinks like that part stinks about it,
But we were watching everything that Aaron Judge was doing
(15:10):
up until that point. There has been years prior to
that when John Carlo Stanton was getting close, when he
had what fifty seven or fifty nine didn't have nearly
as much of the hype, which I think Judge, being
a member of the Yankees alps with But like those
are the things like again, It wasn't like, ah, he's
fifteen away from seventy three. We were still talking about
(15:30):
about sixty one. That's why I bring up Stanton, just
because he was in the National League at that point
and he was getting close to Roger Morris's market.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
You talk about ninety eight, and you talk about two
thousand and two and all these memories that these Reuters
were providing their fans. Don't you feel duped? In other words,
I look back on that. I too was excited for
all that. As a baseball fan. I was ignorant to
what was going on. But then after it was revealed
(15:57):
that all these guys were cheating, then I then I
felt bad, and I felt worse because I fell for it.
It's kind of like the Milli Vanilli thing. It's like
we're not putting Milli Vanilli in the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame because they were shams. They were cheated
like people who went to their concerts. Feel probably really
stupid right now.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't know if this is this just popped into
my head. I did not feel stupid like you did.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I don't feel like they pulled one over on me.
Then that's the difference I think in this argument, right, Yeah,
I think so. I also think that there's something happening
right now where, like I joke, so, James Wood's the
first time All Star for the Nationals, and I remember
I talked to you guys of there was a stat
that came out that, like, James Wood at the second
(16:44):
highest exit velocity of any player in the big leagues
outside of like sho Hey Otani or.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Something like that, and we were like, what the hell
does that mean?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, but but New Baseball is like, that's freaking amazing,
right and so so now and maybe Jason doesn't want
to hear, but if you were to tell somebody what
Barry Bonds's exit velocity was at that time compared to
you know what it is now, they may be blown
away by those numbers. They're maybe not caring about the
numbers that Isaac cared about, that you cared about, Jason,
(17:13):
that Ryan cared about them, Onto cared about, that I
cared about of sixty one, of seven fifty five, and
of those numbers, and us being fans of those numbers
and trying to be protector of the record books may
start to diminish even more as time goes by. So
then at what point do you say to Sammy Sosa
and Barry Bonds, people don't even care about the records anymore,
(17:34):
but we're still going to hold you out like that.
I don't maybe to your point, that's the principle of it.
I just don't think that. At some point, I do
think that there has to be some leniency. And I
just look at the Giants and being like, they never
felt that it was bad. Maybe maybe they felt dirty
as Bonds was and Balco were being dragged through the mud,
(17:55):
But at no point did I do I feel that
the Giants had any sort of backlash for what Barry
Bonds was.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
They never did. The Giants fans from day one have
always been behind the guy. They really haven't even waivered.
I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And and and Sammy Sosa was up and down. Sammy
Sosa was also busted with an illegal bat right, so
like there's.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
What he was doing it just for the fans? Is
that what he said? I cork my bats for the fans.
So you're on roids and you cork your bats.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So that's you know, there's there's something with that. Do
you think steroids and corking your bats are the same thing, honestly,
honest questions. I mean they're both cheating, right, That's that's
the point.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's why they're about cheating.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Like I look at I look at steroids. I'm more
I'm more appalled by corking of the bats.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I am too than because you still't have to hit
the ball. Yes, like you still have you're strong enough,
but you still have to hit the ball. But I
am more offended by the corking of the bat.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I remember that being in an argument at the time
on sports talk radio that you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't
hit fifty home runs in a year. And I'll always
say this, it takes an intense, high level skill, level
of hand eye coordination to hit a baseball on a
(19:17):
major league level. So I've never argued that point, but
I will say this, like the Jason Giombies of the
world that were able to make three hundred million dollars
in their career as opposed to just kind of have
a career. It takes those high level handball coordination people,
and it just made everyone this this like fake. I
(19:40):
don't even know what you say. There's just a certain
quality to it. It's just artificial and I'll never get
over that part. So I think that's my problem.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Also the players, some of the players had much longer careers.
Crazy to think that Bonds would be a better hitter
in his later years than he was early on in
his career. But it's Roger Clemens, and we grew up
in a time monster you weren't born yet. Where Roger
Clemens was was the deal in the eighties, and then
(20:09):
to do the things that he then ended up doing
in the nineties with the Blue Jays and the Yankees,
and it kind of being the same Roger Clemens, and
I do feel I do feel dumb to that point
of looking back and saying, look at Roger Clemens, you go,
you go, old man, and then just being naive to it.
So there's I I think that if you're a fan
(20:30):
of those teams and that's what this is, you're not
going to be bothered. But if it was a league
wide thing, again with the All Star Game, then it's
a bigger issue. Remember when Pete Rose, it wasn't Atlanta, right,
was it? At the World Series where they did the
All Century Team, and then Jim Gray asked him the question,
was that Fenway or I thought, okay, yeah, I thought
(20:51):
it was a world sew am.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I mixing the Ted Williams thing.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
With Yeah, Isaac Loh and cron has got some information.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, it was before Game two of the Night ninety
nine World Series in Atlanta Braves Yankees.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yes, so there's Pete Rose at that point of a
major League baseball thing being welcomed back. And I'll say this,
there were more people on Rose's side than I think.
I don't think there are people who are passionate for
Barry Bonds. I think there are people who are indifferent
to Barry Bonds. Right now, you're passionately against it. There
(21:24):
are more people who I think are passionately against it
than are passionately for Barry Bonds. But with Pete Rose,
different story. There were passionate people for it and passion
passionate people against Pete Rose. And I think that's what
also made his situation so unique. By the way, Pete
Rose is getting in the Hall of Fame because he's
dead like that is it's true because you will hear
(21:46):
people say, oh, of course, now that he's gone, you
put him in. No, that's the reason that he's in
the rule that Rob Manfred a Major League Baseball wrote
is your lifetime ban is done when you're dead. So
if Pete Rose we're still alive today, he would not
be in the Hall of Fame, and Monty and I
would be having this conversation with Jason at another time
(22:07):
whenever Pete Rose. But that is that is why Pete
Rose is now in the Hall of Fame. Barry Bonds
may have to wait till that point to be honestly
blunt to it, to truly get past it. She's Moncey Blago.
So I'm Dan Byer. It is Fox Sports Radio. We
are in for Cavino and Rich here on FSR.
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Speaker 3 (22:32):
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so you get us instead, Lucky you. I'm Moncey Belanos.
He's Dan Bayer. Thanks for tuning in for.
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if the guys did it today or not in Atlanta.
(23:14):
I know it's a little different on remote, but we
are not going to do that. Instead, Mancy has got
her jury summons, so all week long, she's got a
call in today. She's good, she's here with us. We
have no idea if she's going to be with us
tomorrow because of her jury situation.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
No no show, hey for now. Watch maybe in a
couple of years with that idea in his head.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Looks pretty sharp in those New Balance commercials, Right, yeah,
I could see how it could happen. Moncey again on
call for Jury Duty, and it allows us to unveil
a new game that we I don't even know if
it's a game. It's the real stuff, Jury Duty, Jerry Duty.
We're playing Jury duty here off Fox Sports Radio. Jury
(23:59):
has made up with three members the foreman Jason Stewart.
There's Isaac Lohan Kron and Ryan Smith. They are the
three person jury is Mancey, Belanios and myself debate a topic.
We will debate it for the next five minutes or so.
The jury will then deliberate and come back with their verdict.
(24:22):
Here is the topic of discussion. Home run derby good
or bad for the All Star Game. Moncey, call it
in the air. Heads you go first, Tails, I go first, Tales, Okay, no,
it's it's no wait, it's heads you go first, Tails,
(24:43):
I go first. I wanted to call Okay, okay, so
I go first. I actually think the home run derby
is not good for the All Star Game. The ratings
for the All Star Game, like any other major sport
outside of the Super Bowl, surely have diminished throughout time.
(25:04):
But what happens with the All Star Game is it's
like when you open presence on Christmas Eve. On Christmas Day,
you get presents, but you've already opened presents the night before,
so it isn't as special. There isn't that anticipation. What
the home run derby does is it shows you everything.
(25:25):
It shows you the ballpark, it shows you the stars.
When I watch a Home Run Derby, I'm seeing bombs
hit four hundred and fifty feet four to seventy, and
we're seeing all of the players together in their uniform.
It's basically the All Star Game, except in a different version.
It completely takes away the newness and the uniqueness of
(25:48):
the All Star Game because you have an event that
is just as big the night prior. And that's what
I don't like about it. If you're a Christmas Morning
presence person, Christmas Morning is magnificent, but if you're a
Christmas Eve presence person, it's much better than it is
on Christmas Day because it's the first time that you're
getting to open presents. So even if you're seeing a
(26:10):
list of Home Run Derby participants that you don't think
is great, it still takes the sparkle off the newness
that is the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Dan. First of all, nobody ever said they didn't want
to open Christmas presents two days in a row or
three days in a row, So no, that is not
it at all. You're comparing the Home Run Derby to
like the Slam Dunk Contest, or like the NFL Pro Game,
Pro Bowl games that nobody wants to watch. The Home
Run Derby and the MLB All Star Game are not
(26:38):
the same. In fact, am I gonna see Trek Scooble tonight?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You see my hockey ball schemes tonight. No, I'm not
gonna see Jacob Mazerowski either. I'm gonna see some of
the hitters that are hitting balls out of the ballpark
all season, like Cal Rawley, who's diving an incredible here
to see what he can go do in a short
amount of time. People love home runs. That is why
you know there are stories that maybe Baseball themselves that
(27:04):
change the ball a little bit because fans love the
home love the home runs in the real game. This
is not diminishing the All Star Game in any way,
shape or form. It is setting you up for a
fun All Star game. Both of them are competitive. There's
still pride in both of these events. And the Home
Run Derby you're seeing the hitters, that's all you're seeing,
and it's more relaxed and fun. Then you get to
(27:26):
the All Star Game and that is still competitive. Because
nobody wants to go out there and strike out. It
look like an idiot. Nobody wants to go out there
and lave a ball and give up a big home
run to someone, They're still pride in the All Star Game.
And that's the big difference. So it doesn't ruin the
All Star Game. MLB is fun and you actually get
to see the best hitters right now, or more exciting hitters.
(27:46):
James Wood apparently has ten of the furthest home runs
this season out of all of them. Like there, it's
not the same. It is a nice appetizer for what
you're gonna get on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, one of my let me just put it this
way to run down my favorite RBI doubles that we've
had in All Star Game history. I can't even remember it.
The point is is, you know what I love about
All Star Games. When a guy hits a home run
like bo Jackson did to dead center field in Anaheim.
You know what would have made that less exciting is
(28:17):
if you wouldn't hit twenty eight of them the night
before that went one hundred feet further. That's the point
of it. We don't even have All Star memories from
the past because or from recent history. Because we're remembering
great performances in home run Derby's. We're remembering celebrations. We're
remembering the timeout and so and so walking up to
(28:39):
Prince Fielder and giving them some gatorade. It is completely
overshadowed memories that we have because when I'm watching an
All Star Game, Yeah, I want to see a guy
take a picture deep, but guess what I saw it
one hundred and twenty eight times the night before by
eight different players in the big leagues. It's it's supposed
to be an appetizer, but sometimes, my let's be real,
(29:01):
the mazzarella sticks take away from the meal that you're
about to eat. And I think that's what happens with
the home run derby.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I don't see that at all. In fact, if cal
Rawly wins the home run Derby tonight and I don't
know has thirty five home runs and he hits a
home run for the All Star Game, that's it. Yes,
look at he's not losing his stride there he is.
He did it yesterday. It adds to it. It adds
to the story. And because it is the big players,
(29:27):
it's names you recognize going out there to hit. And again,
it's not you have your dad throwing to you, you
have your buddy throwing to you, it's not the exact
same leverage that we're gonna get on Tuesday. So to me,
it's almost apples and oranges, like one doesn't take away
from the other, in fact, it enhances it for me.
And I just want to see how many home runs
(29:48):
they can hit in a two minute span, because I'm
not gonna get that on Tuesday. On Tuesday, I'm gonna
get individual matchups. That's what I'm looking for Monday's I'm
in for all the fun. H these home runs Fellas.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I think the band was about to quit on you,
and then you just kept going, Jerry, Okay, yeah, there
it is cal raw ejection. By the way, if cal
Raley hits one five hundred and twelve feet tonight, yep,
that's all people are going to talk about. It's not
gonna matter what he does in tomorrow's game. I just
think Tomorrow's games I think it was I think it
was a great idea. It's like the Final Four, the
Final Four Saturday is ended up overshadowing the Monday night
(30:23):
Championship game because you're like, Wow, it's the Final Four.
It's the newness of it, and now you're seeing you're
seeing all the sites that you'll see, except you'll just
see them tomorrow night. I rest my.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Case, Jerry Doody, you're talking about cal Rawley. If he
wins the Home Run Derby and he hits a home
run in the All Star Game, nobody's going to care
about the Alstar Game. It's going to go back to
what he did in the Home Run Derby. But the
All Star Game has other players that you didn't get
to see tonight, Like the big pictures you're going for
the matchups you're not going to watch for the same reasons. Oh,
(30:54):
this is just for fun. Tonight is fun for everybody involved.
Hitters fans. You get to see the biggest hit the
biggest hitters all in one night, and then tomorrow night
you get to see the best pictures taking on some
of the best hitters.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right, for mean you got you got enough.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I've heard enough, so we're gonna convene and then come
back with the verdict.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
The verdicts will be yes after the break. Okay, all right,
there it is. She's Monty Blago, So I'm Dan Bayer.
She is four. I am against, and I fully know
Monty is much more well liked her on these halways
than I am, so I'm already at a disadvantage. We'll
see who wins and not so fast. My friend oh
line out Max. She's Monty Blagos. I'm Dan Byer in
(31:37):
for Cavino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (31:51):
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(32:32):
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Speaker 3 (32:44):
I wonder if they're going to enjoy the home run derby.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I have you been? Did you go to the one?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
I did?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I did?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
It was like a lot of fun. It's just for
the fans, the experience of being there and then just
seeing so many big hitters and stars because it's not
like the slam Dunk contest where you're like who's in it?
You typically know these names, so you get to see them,
you know, do what they do best.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Not to be a negative Nancy Is. I know our
verdict is coming down in a second. But the one
thing that does not translate on TV is the breaks
in between the hitters. So there's a lot of downtime.
It's not just an inning changeover where it's there is
a lot. And honestly, after you've seen fifty home runs,
(33:29):
the fifty first and fifty second are just kind of like, okay,
Like at first it's electric, yeah, and then as the
night goes on. I was there when Josh Hamilton went
on fire in New York in two thousand and eight,
and so each one that he hit was just further
and further and further. Now, Josh Hamilton was so tired.
He lost to Justin Morno in the finals, but it
was so electric because of all the home runs that
(33:51):
he hit. Now, with the different rules, there's even more
home runs hit. It's a different animal. I think it's
a longer night for the fan watching the game because
of how it's all.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It is in You're right, it doesn't translate at home.
It's not the same than being in person. But you know,
you can get up, grab a drink, grab a snack,
come back watch the next hitter.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, all right, let's let's go to the foreman. Jason Stewart.
I believe a verdict is in Mazi saying that the
home run derby not only doesn't hurt the All Star Game,
but actually helps it. Y I say that it's kind
of diminished the Midsummer Classic.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Now, as the jury foreman and the executive producer of
the show, I made it. I made an executive decision
because there were questions being asked by jurors, and instead
of answering them off the air or getting answers off
the air, I wanted the listeners to experience the entire process.
So there's a couple questions from the jurors before we
give you the verdict. I have all the information. So,
(34:47):
and like a murder trial, does the verdict have to
be unonymous? No, it does not have to be unanimous.
Just unanimous anonymous or unanonymous. Yeah, I got it because
that was the I would have been the swing vote
in this and I could. I could be convinced either way.
So two out of three the winner.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Here.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
The verdict was two out of three. And I won't
name any names because I want to make it awkward,
but both of the people, I'll just give the verdict
right now. Moncey, you made the better point. You made
Moncey wins.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
That's the prize.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
By the way, thank you for the one hundred dollars
Amazon gift card. Oh sorry.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Sorry, and you are guilty. Guilty it's guilty of not
making a better point. That's that's what you're guilty of.
One of the people who voted for Moncey said, if
his point was just it's it's just too much. That
isn't good enough for me. Even though I agree with
this point, Moncey made better points. Another person pointed out
(35:52):
the fact that Monci's points about pitchers and fielders the
next day you see the entire game. Those are great points,
and again that's that won him over in this in
this debate, but they actually agree with you, Dan, so
and then there was just a point where I, you know,
somebody named me felt that Dan made great points, and
(36:15):
I very much agree with this point.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Overall, that cat wasn't let out of the bag. It
was yanked out.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
But the verdict is in Monsey wins.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I knew it was an uphill climb, But I have
to respect the jury's decision because you know what they
didn't do. They didn't take their summons and throw it away.
They didn't postpone their jury duty. They didn't push it
off until weeks and months ahead. They took the responsibility.
So I have to accept the decision of my peers,
(36:48):
even though I disagree with it. I think tonight is
and I say this, I say this as a Christmas
Eve opener of presents. That's what we always did. Christmas
Eve was amazing, which made Christmas little little different, but
it was so I understand what the the home run
derby is. But I appreciate the decision and thank you
(37:09):
at least for hearing me out.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
You know, it was a good debate. You had a
good point that sometimes the Mozzarelli sticks ruin the main entree.
You're not wrong about that. I just really don't think
that is the case here. You're not wrong that maybe
the experience is different at home, but I really find
them so different. I don't find them the same.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I know you don't eat meat, but would you eat
mazzarella sticks and then have a veggie cheeseburger after that?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Oh you would. Okay, I think it's a lot of cheese.
It is a lot of saying like I thought you
would like very maybe like no onion rings or let's
just do I'll do. I don't know what another substitute
of veggie is, So you're not the right person.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Mozzarellisticks last night, and then I had a margerite, a
cheese pizza.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
That doesn't. Yeah, that's it's it's too much for me.
That's I like the least separation of it. But I
will take in the home run derby, and obviously I'll
take in the All Star Game tomorrow because there will
be great moments, but it will be a different watch. Jerry.
Appreciate your your time and consideration. We aren't going to
name names on who voted for who, but I know
I know what was split. I mean, obviously, if Jason
(38:14):
says he's the deciding vote, he voted for you, right,
we don't no, no, no, what okay yea yeah aheah exact.
As much as you would like to keep it anonymous,
at least it wasn't unanimous. Mancy. I hope to do
it again with you tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's not good luck on Jerry duty. She's Monty on dance.
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