August 15, 2025 • 54 mins
Dan Beyer and Monse Bolanos in for C&R as they discuss the punishment handed down on Michigan football by the NCAA.
Dan and Monse put their final thoughts on the Taylor Swift appearance with the Kelce brothers on their record setting podcast.
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I just looked at the calendar, Monci, and you know what,
I realized.
Speaker 6 (00:25):
It's Friday.
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It's Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday. Now, the guys probably did
that eight hours earlier when they are in for Dan
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Belanos and myself Dan Buyer in for Cavino and Rich today.
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Let's call him Gosh, Chris. You've been to so many places,
lived in so many places. I feel like Toledo Chris
could be a way that we could call you instead
of Iowa Sam. Is that good?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I think else calls me usc Chres as well.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
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It is Fox Sports Radios, Cavino and Rich here on
a Friday. We already did that day one hundred and
twenty seconds ago.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
I think I'm just too excited. Okay, you can don't
take away.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You're only people more excited than you are those in
ann Arbor. And I'll tell you what the guts now,
the guts of these people as this story continues to develop,
even when you think it's over, Michigan handed down their
NC double A sanctions today and now we're getting word.
Isaac reported it that from I'm not sure who broke
it first, that Michigan is appealing the penalties handed down
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by the NC double A. Man.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
The audacity your appeal. You know you appeal something when
you when you didn't do it. Isn't that the way
it's supposed to go. I'm appealing something because you have
false me, falsely accused me of something. But we know
that they cheated. We know the KGB operation, we know that,
and now you're gonna appeal.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
After trying to cover up all of the evidence. Yes,
it's yes.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
The Wolverine fan base is probably like, yeah, that's right,
We're gonna appeal, that's right, and you know what, they're
not gonna find us anyway.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, what do they have to lose. They've already got off,
you know, basically not entirely scott free, but feeling pretty
much pretty close. There's gonna be some stuff taken out
of their wallet, but not the punishment that that few
of us, a few of us wanted Michigan to receive,
and now they're appealing it. There is something with there
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is there's something with being falsely accused of something. Then
there's the difference between that and then being not exonerated,
but getting off with a very very light penalty and
essentially getting away with it. And that's what I think
that we're weighing here. Like you, I'm sorry, there's not
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a Michigan fan around that can say that we didn't
do anything. And not only did they not do anything,
they didn't do anything. On multiple occasions. Mazi mentions the
KGB portion of it, which is I just love that,
I'm sorry, which was part of the scheme that they
had in the sign that the label of the sign
stealing scandal. This was the message from the Chief hearing
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Officer for the NCAA Committee on Infractions said on the scandal,
and I'm going to read this quote the true quote.
The true scope and scale of the scheme, including the
competitive advantage it afforded, will never be fully known due
to individuals intentional destruction and withholding of materials and information.
But the intent was clear to gain a substantial competitive advantage.
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You don't put together a network of individuals called the
KGB that records what they call dirty film, where the
cost of doing this is in the tens of thousands
of dollars over three seasons, unless you intend to gain
a substantial competitive advantage. The words are much stronger than
the punishment. Yeah, and what was ultimately handed down. But
(04:29):
there has to be a way where I know Michigan
fans are skipping in the streets of ann Arbor, probably
enjoying their wonderful three day weekend up in the up
celebrating up yes, the Upper Peninsula. Any chance we have
an opportunity to mention it second straight day here on
Fox Sports Radio. By the way, we've talked about the
Upper Peninsula. Any opportunity that they can have to celebrate
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this they can, and now to appeal that it is.
It's just it's in their faces. It's to everybody else's
is like watch this now, now watch what we're gonna do.
We got away with all this other stuff. Now we're
actually gonna try to appeal it and get less of
a penalty.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
I know, it's really rich. You get a slap on
the wrist, and then you're mad about the slap on
the wrist. Don't you dare slap me on the wrist?
That's what they're saying. I can't. I cannot believe they're
appealing it. What a what a joke they're making of
the n C doable a it's.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
And because they can probably that's it's probably the reason why.
And then there really aren't any direct effects to hinder
this Michigan football team excepttion you run more getting a
game suspension or a couple of game suspension. So those
are the things that are things that the Michigan football
team is gonna have to deal with this year. But
that pales in comparison to what it could have been
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or what should have been from the back end of it,
But it does provide a bigger picture. I just I
balanced the the I'm actually innocent to the I got
away with it, like I can understand. That's like I
didn't I didn't know that. I wasn't I wasn't sure
of it. I didn't know this rule. Maybe you were
a naive or maybe weren't even involved at all. But
(06:02):
I just don't think that getting away with the easier
penalty is reason to celebrate something as opposed to not
doing anything at all.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Oh no, you're one hundred percent right. But the thing
is they are going to celebrate. They're probably celebrating more
than they were before over that championship. Now they're like, look,
we are invincible. Yes, that is how I would feel
right now if I was in Michigan.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I'm trying to like take it into real world terms
in terms of like a speeding ticket, okay, or some
sort of like traffic enforcement. I got busted for something
I didn't do twelve years ago at the intersection right
outside of work. I didn't do anything wrong, and I
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got pulled over and got a ticket for what they
said I did even though I didn't do it, And
it still bothers me to this day that I didn't
fight it to the lengths that I should have fought it.
I ultimately just took the punishment and let it go away.
But in my heart of hearts, I know that I
was wrong. The complete exact opposite, I think is is
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this is the jubilee that you would get for knowing
that you did it, did it on your own terms,
and then hardly had to pay the price for it.
Like there's they don't feel guilty about this. This isn't
This isn't cheating on a spouse and having remorse or
a significant other and then all please come back. No,
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this is this is none of that. This is embezzling
all these dollars and then spending it and living the
life of Riley and then coming back and getting a
slap on the rest.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yeah, it's like they're justifying it in their own way,
you know, like Ross Scaler justifying cheating on or Rachel
Green because they were on a break. That's what Michigan
is doing right now, trying to justify it. Oh, it's
a technicality. This is we didn't break any rules. Get
out of here with that mess. So IGN got time
for that.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Jason Stewart's our executive producer. I got a great example.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
This is a real happy one for our Cavino and
rich audience, real life example. And tell me if I'm wrong.
You talk about the punishment coming up way short of
the crime and walking away from something, being able to
never say that you were innocent and everyone knows you
did something bad.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
P Diddy, yes or no?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I hear what you where you're trying to go with it?
I guess yes.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
It seemed like a consensus at least from the legal community,
that he got away with so much and walked away
with a light slap on the wrist, and the reaction
from his fan base and from the people that still
respect the guy for some reason was Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
What would O J be be? I mean, it is
a per for the of the We know that he
did it, and he understood, but then we understood that
he did it, but yet he gets cleared like these
are all these are all trials that that we're going
(09:15):
through where the outcome is and I feel that I'm
even just trying to think of like in your in
your daily life when when you're late and you're flying
down a getting traffic enforcement, you're flying down the freeway
and you go eighty five the whole way and make
it to work and or make it to where you
need to go, Like, there's you know, there's something something
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to that. What I think would be a high or
high is maybe getting stopped and then yes, yeah, yes, right,
And that's where I feel like like Michigan is of
like they just maybe they didn't have the radar gun
going at the time, but they saw you going so
fast past everyone else that they had to stop you.
So they give you the warning, but you get away
(09:59):
with it. That's what I feel happened with Michigan. Yeah,
that's what I feel like, is the equivalent not being
pulled over in my traffic stop where I didn't do
anything wrong, Trust me, I didn't. There was no traffic
that day. They said I went around cars in a
lane that I shouldn't have. It was a holiday, there
was nobody on the street, Manti, there were completely Twelve
(10:19):
years later, I'm still mad about it, but that's what
I feel like, There's there's something to it, as opposed
to not doing it or actually doing it and getting
away with it with little to no penalty.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
We were just tweeted at by Moss Mace Underscore seventy eight.
He tweeted all of us basically saying that this appeal
is purely performative. If they don't appeal, it's them saying, yeah,
we got away with it, haha ha. By appealing, they're
still you know, projecting their innocence.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yes, I I'm a good point, yes I, But I
don't think that they're they're innocent. Like Connor Stallions did come,
you know, did speak with the NC double A. He
this is the whole thing is as well with him
as just completely defiant was Jim Harbaugh and then he
leaves and is now in the NFL and never has
(11:12):
to This from a guy who is quoted as saying
when he was the forty nine ers head coach that
you know, cheaters never win in the whole deal. But
there was conversations that Connor Stallions did have with the
with the NC DOUBLEA, where reportedly he was emotional in
what his doings were, so you knew that there was
some wrongdoing. But as Michigan as a whole, I think
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Moss is maybe correct in what he's saying.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah, and it's just unbelievable though that this is it
makes sense that it's like they're trying to appeal because
they don't want to admit that they got away with it.
But we know you got away with it.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And Jim Harbaugh is the one that like the biggest
one where I think because he's in control, he is
the program, and let's be honest, he is Michigan. He
was their quarterback at one point and comes back to
say it Andrew tweets in saying, why would you penalize
the championship season when the sign stealing was done during
the prior season? This is such a non story, and
then he says, read Andy Staples article about it. I'll
(12:11):
get the Andy's article at some point. It's not going
to be in the next two hours while we're on
the we're on the air. The point of Jim Harbaugh
is Jim Harbaugh was in place and you had wrongdoing.
He was suspended by the Big Ten for three games
and then was given the suspension, where a lot of
people thought that it was underserved, like the hay was
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already in the barn, like something needed to be done
on a grand scale, but you needed the NCAA to
have their investigation. There was a time to penalize Michigan.
That's just not how the process worked. And again that
worked in the favor of Michigan because this is drawn
out now in August of twenty twenty five, you know
where we're almost two full football seasons removed from something
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like this happening or these these actions happening, and we're
still talking about it. That's part of the frustration of
it is because these things are so drawn out that
you can never really punish the right people. And here
was an opportunity where maybe you could, maybe you could
penalize Jim Harbaugh for what he did. And it's not
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just the one championship season. There were building blocks up
to that point.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
To see that they're not connected leading up to the championship.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
That doesn't work, Yes, that's it Actually, I think works
like in college we think like, oh, guys move every
four years, but there's a building up to that point.
The point is is you had a guy in a
job where you could directly penalize him or directly penalize
the school, then they chose not to do it. And
instead we had a full drawn out process, which is frustrating.
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And now on top of it, Michigan has gotten away
with it, and then they have the guts to sit
there and appeal it. I mean, it's just I don't
want to say at least that OJ got you know,
pegged in the civil suit, but that's small beans, considering
he couldn't pay what he owed in the civil suit anyway.
And then ultimately there was something else in what's the
(14:09):
memorabilia stuff, where OJ got some jail time for the
memorabilia heist that went on, But that doesn't make up
for the fact that we all believe that he killed
two people.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
You know what you and Ohio State fans can kind
of hope for Dan is that karma kicks in. I'm
not a religious person or a real spiritual person, but
I do believe in karma. In this instance, OJ paid
the price publicly. Deshaun Watson, I think, is paying the
price publicly. He got off without any punishment obviously. Oh no,
(14:44):
I guess the NFL handed him one year suspension, but
everyone feels like it was far less of punishment for
the crime. But like seeing Deshaun Watson be ostracized by
the Cleveland community and women and stuff has kind of
given me a sense of justice. So if Michigan has
something awful happened to them, are you ever gonna get justice?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
I am curious to see on how this all falls
out with the fines and financially, if it will have
any effect. I don't think that Jim Harbaugh will feel
any penalties whatsoever. And as I told you guys earlier today,
if the Chargers win the Super Bowl, it's going to
be the greatest twelve months of Jim Harbaugh's career, and
(15:28):
this hat would have happened in that twelve month span.
And I feel that there are people who love the
Harbaugh Act as it is the Khakis, the down to Earth,
you know, like that's that's how that's how he's portrayed.
He's a different cant, there's no doubt about it. But
I feel that people embrace that, and because of some
of the stuff that he did do and does do,
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people like that. And I don't know if he's if
he's going to ever feel the true ramifications of this,
because the penalties that they gave him just don't apply
because he's not going back to college sports, and.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
To's to what you're saying. He's he's liked as a
person and what he did wasn't egregious like O. J.
Simpson or like Deshaun Watson. This was sign stealing, which
a lot of people would be like, it's just sign stealing, right, Like,
I don't think people look at it the same exact
way as those other two. So, but he's so liked,
(16:20):
he's so liked as just the person he is.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
There's degrees of karma, and I think that maybe you
could actually accept the uh and this is a weird
kind of way to look at it. You could accept
the rashad Slater maybe as as your first step in
bad karma for coach Harbaugh.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
It's an interesting that is a yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I I hope for Shaun Slater's sake that he's not
the one that's having to deal correct to having to
pay for the the punishment of Jim Harbaugh. But just
the charger current, you're you're right, it may be it
may be karma. I feel like there's just certain things
that people don't care as much about. So when you
bring up the astros and the signs stealing, which I've
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said here over the past couple of months. I feel
most of baseball has moved on from it. I think
most of college football has moved on from it. One
of the more frustrating things to me was not what
Michigan did, was how people viewed what Michigan did, and
it's saying because it wasn't as important to them, so
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it wasn't that big of a deal. And then now
the fight back onto what people who think Michigan did
do wrong or a lot of what aboutism's without dealing
with the real problem, and the real issue is this
is they cheated, didn't want to talk with the NCAA,
didn't cooperate. Then they had a bigger scandal where we
heard spending thousands of dollars in deleting evidence and not cooperating,
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and then this is all they get. So they're not
even a first time offender. You can't even give them
a warning. But yet the penalty sure feels like it
was warning esque.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Absolutely, ah slap on the wrist.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yes, And then it happened on a Friday. So this
will just go on and then by Monday we'll be
onto something new.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Absolutely.
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Speaker 6 (18:49):
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Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yes, it works, It really does.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Every time I hear them say that, I'm like, you
couldn't plan that better.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
You know what else works?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
What works?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Putting Taylor Swift on a podcast. That's right because it
worked for New Heights Travis Kelcey and his girlfriend Taylor
Swift on the New Heights podcast with Kelsey's brother Jason
kelce You know Travis and Jason do the podcast, but
they've never done it to these numbers, three hundred and
seventy nine million views on Instagram, over sixty one point
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six million views on x TikTok, had another thirty four
and a half million views on YouTube where I watched
it fifteen million views. As for the live viewers, that
was me one point three million. I'm crashed. At one point,
they passed three million followers on Instagram and there were
four hundred thousand new YouTube subscribers since, and it's the
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most concurrent podcast listeners ever. For the New Heights episode
that aired on Wednesday, I.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
All those people that were hate watching must have been
so annoyed by the end of it, because it was
honestly a really entertaining I don't even know how long
it was. I can't even remember, but the whole thing
was quite entertaining for me. Obviously I love Taylor Swift,
but there were so many different parts of it. I
didn't know where it was going. We obviously knew there
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was a new album, but I didn't know what exactly
they were going to talk about. And more importantly, I
think we don't get to see them interact a lot together.
Jas Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift and it was really
cute and sweet how they were with each other, which
we didn't get to see this entire like last two
years of their relationship.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Did you like how they were holding hands throughout it?
Speaker 6 (20:35):
They were holding hands, He kissed her like on the
head a few times in moments that I thought was
very sweet and genuine. And anyone who's like this is
so fake, Yeah, shut up, go argue with the wall.
No it's not.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Oh. I did appreciate Jason asking questions that were relevant
into what everybody wanted to know about, Like I brought
up the point of the publishing deal and the what's
the difference of your masters and stuff like that, and
totally interesting. We locked in on giving that answer.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I didn't know any of that. You knew she had
gone through that, but I thought that was so interesting.
I also, you know, to start off when she explains
what she thought football was at first, that was also
great to hear.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yes, we got that this is what Taylor Swift actually
thought football and how football was played.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
I thought I thought that the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
See, that's how you played it on the on the
playground growing up. So I understand if you hadn't.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
Like, no, you don't understand. I thought it was like
Jared Goff is here and Josh Allen's here, and they're
gonna be like they blow a whistle and then they
they go at each other and they're.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Like and like who's gonna win.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
That's actually I would love to see Jared Goft defense.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I thought some ideas, I've got some thoughts, and you know,
leading into that question because she says that when she
first started like dating Travis, leading into that exact quote
she we just heard. She says that she asked Travis like,
how did it feel? You know, you played your brother
in the Super Bowl? You're standing there, he's standing on
the other side. How to feel? And that then they
were like you, no, no, I play offense, he plays offense.
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We actually don't see each other like that. And I
thought it was it was sweet that she asked a
question that, yeah, like how is it with your brother?
And then that's how it led into her response to
being like no, no, no, I really thought this is how
football was played.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Yes, it was a great revelation and I love how
it's also is a glimpse and how the mind works
when you're learning about football. Total let go ow somebody
thought that those two were on the same field. What
should be noted Jared Golf almost did have to play
defense for the Lions last year because everybody was hurt.
Chris Prophet, I think you can attest to that. A pain,
so much pain. He was like dB fourteen on the team.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And I do I do wonder if she takes away
from like how we talk about all these games. When
you see a big you know, here's the game coming
up on Amazon or on Fox. It's Jared Goff and
the Lions acon take on Josh Allen and the Bills.
It makes it sound once again, I have this conversation
with people all the time. It makes it sound like
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when we say these quarterbacks are facing each other, they're
actually facing each other. Yeah, you're absolutely they totally get
why someone like that would would take that.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I would also say that if you just never watch football,
basketball is more of a sport that is commonly known.
So Lebron James and Steph Curry are on the court
at the same time. To Christ's point, you're seeing Lebron
James and Steph Curry head to head in the NBA Finals,
and so you would think like, oh, that's why they
would do it, or that sport does it that way,
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so why wouldn't football also do it that way?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Absolutely, and even in basketball, you could just watch it
and kind of understand what's happening. If you watch football
and you have never watched it is it is hard
to keep up. If you don't know football. It is
hard to keep up and watch it. You don't know basketball.
You can tune in and be like, Okay, I get
what's going on. Basketball has to go in the hoop
gay five on five.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It's not like that, yes, because in football you can
kick the ball from the same spot and two different
situations and it's different points exactly. So an extra point
and a thirty three yard field goal are the same distance.
And if you're trying to learn, that makes it very
very difficult. At least in the NBA. You see the
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line on the floor where you're like, this is two,
that is three.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
And it doesn't change.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Yes, yes, but for whatever reason, from the same exact
spot in football, if you don't understand the point after attempt,
it would be or they're going for two here, well
why don't they get six? Well they just got six?
Well why can't you get six again, Like, I feel
like those are conversations that would happen in a living
room totally. I also feel that there's something to this
is we're now forty eight hours out something that happened
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earlier in the year not apples to apples, but the
halftime show with Kendrick Lamar there there was a different
like being there live, being at the Super Bowl, as
fortunate as a was, you have a different experience for
what is a made for TV concert, But it was
a concert that really ended up thriving because of social
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media afterwards. We were talking about it for a week
or two, and I feel like when you look at
something like this again, it's not apples to apples. I
don't know if we're going to be talking about this
two weeks from now, but it's got so much of
a longer shelf life than just when it originally appeared.
And maybe that's how things are nowadays, but I feel
like there's just some similarities with that performance that we
(25:32):
had in February to what this episode was.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
You're right on the money. I agree with you. We
were talking about that show for so long after the fact.
Didn't think we would be, but we were this is
still being talked about, and it might still be talked
about in a week. Dan, that's how big it was.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
You watched it live. I watched it lot show you
didn't have to wait for people that don't. You can
still add to those numbers. Jason Stewart and I both
watched it. You watch it on YouTube? Is that where
you also watched it?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Jay, I caught some of it on YouTube and I've
just been watching a little equlips.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Okay, all right, yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
You're going to say, you guys watched it together, like
you gathered, grabbed some food.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Watch, we shared the actual iPod. We we had to
get really close, precious iPad iPod. Can I give you
my quick takeaways because in a lot of ways, I
come at this very from the opposite of what Mancy
comes at it. She's a super fan, as are millions
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of people. I would argue millions of teenage girls. But
you guys have talked me off that wedge. I won't
sell that.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I am so close to a teenage girl though.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
And I'm guessing as a teenage girl you liked her.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Maybe yes, no, yeah, we I am the same age
as as Taylor Sweat.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
So yes, So I I was. I was captivated by
how they interacted. Yes, and I was the one early
I was the old curmudgeon saying this was fake. It
was a huge publicity stunt. But I apologize to you
about six months in and I will. But I was
captivated about how they interact. They're like giddy teenagers. They're
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both in their thirties, They've both had many relationships, but
the handholding thing and just the way that they address
each other, there's still very much in seemingly that honeymoon
phase that all of us have been in the first
few months totally, but they're what eighteen months in or
whatever it's been. It's like to me, that's what first
caught hold. And then just how engaged she is and
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what he's passionate about. And I know that he's engaged
with what she's passionate about. He knows her music, he
seems to like her music, which I can't I can't get.
So those were kind of my takeaways, like just how
engaging both of them in are in each other's lives
and how they they deal with each other. Nobody knows
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if it's going to last, but hope that it does.
But you hope that it does people change.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
What I will say is well to piggyback off of
that is and I look at it from a weird way.
I think that that people have a lot of insecurities.
And so if I was dating Taylor Swift and she
had dated famous guys, well you know John Mayer, Yeah,
(28:14):
you know Jake Jillenhall, wasn't he another one like this?
Like there are others like that takes like you have
to have confidence in yourself if you're Travis Kelcey. But
also if you were insecure, you would maybe hold that
unfortunately against the other person, you would hold that against
Taylor Swift. Well, Taylor Swift just has to say you
had a dating show or you just dated all of
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these other different you know, like women, she could have
that sort of insecurity. They don't have that. That's not
how they live, that's not who they are. And I
felt that that, like that's another reason why it works.
They're secure in who they are. They don't worried about this,
worried about that, or could do this or could do that.
They also seem to be living in the present.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Absolutely, And I feel like with with Taylor Swift, you know,
there's rumors or store that Beyonce, if you ever Beyonce
doesn't say a lot. She like doesn't do a lot
of interviews. She doesn't just go out there and talk,
and that's because they say they don't want her to,
because they don't trust what she may say. I was
surprised at how comfortable Taylor Swift was in this podcast
(29:17):
for talking about everything, because you could argue that it
was a bit scripted, but it didn't feel that way.
If it was, it was nice to see her. And
she also is very self deprecating, which you don't hear
her say that a lot. When when Travis Kelce was
like you're an athlete, She's like, I am not an athlete.
She's like, no, what are you talking about? Like training
for this, and she's like, you're so sweet when she
(29:38):
even like grabbed his face, so she's like, I am
not an athlete. There was just so many sides I
feel like of Taylor Swift that we never get to see.
Travis Kelce. We get to see all sides of it.
He was on a reality TV show. This was just
a different side even of Travis Kelce, but more of
all the different sides of Taylor Swift that you don't
get to.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
See what you're talking about. Is like it was just
a genuine nature to their interaction.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
It seems so genuine the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
I am such a skeptic that my BS meter is
always on and I would love to tell you that
there was a lot of BS meter going off and
there wasn't really just a genuine interaction.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There was a little for me, But I don't want
that to make it seem like it's a negative thing.
Like in the back of my mind, I'm like, she's
a performer. She gets it like when you're when you're
in the biz, you know when you have to turn
it on, and I feel like she knows how to
turn it on. There were no yes, no questions. She
knew the format, she knew to fill, she knew those things.
(30:38):
It's also a safe place where you're not guarded and
you feel like you were going to be asked something
that is uncomfortable, so you can say what you say
and know that you're not going to get any pushback
on it. But I did. I didn't think it was fake.
I just thought, Okay, there's certain things that are being
talked about here and done in a certain way because
of the way the surrounding people.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Are totally the point of this was to promote her
new album, so you knew, yes, that it was going
to be you know, curated for that. But even even
with that, Dan, even though she is a performer, this
was I guess the performance, but it was it just
I'm with Jason. It was so just genuine.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
I think both Dan an art could be right because
I think Dan, you're talking about the way she presented
in her answers, I'm talking about their actual interaction. Just
to just looking at both of them, I was discernibly
looking at how they interact and it just there was
no bs there that it was interesting.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I felt he was the third wheel. I've said that.
I felt like her and Jason had a really good
chemistry going back and forth. And Travis is usually the
one talking to Jason, and so now he isn't. So
he's just kind of standing by, trying to say his
stuff in a certain way, and maybe he's not going
to use the language that he and his brother normally
do because his girlfriend is sitting there. But I felt
(31:53):
like I actually felt like he was the third wheel
a little bit in terms of the interactions because he
just wasn't familiar in that scenario.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
He was kind of like the third wheel, which makes
it even better if you think about it. He let
her just shine.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
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Speaker 5 (32:16):
Okay, I did have a mountain dew today and I
was eating cold pizza, but I also brought a yogurt
to work good for you Friday. Then I opened the
lid and it splattered all over my black shirt because
I thought I was going to a funeral today. With
Michigan's punishments handed down, it was anything but and me
getting yogurt all over my sleeve and whatnot is a
perfect description of how it felt when those NCAA punishments
(32:40):
came down. But Moncey, Yes, that's a good that's a
good point to the past. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna move on from it because it's Friday. Here on
and Rich Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday Friday, rocking out
with Isaac Glowing Crowd, Jason Stewart, Crisperfats, She Is Mancy Belaanio.
So I'm on buyer in for Cavino and Rich. It's
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been quite the week. It wasn't just Michigan getting their
penalties today. It was, as we talked about Taylor Swift
on the New Heights podcast, a lot's been going on
as football is around the corner. A week from tomorrow,
week zero of the NFL of the college football season.
Excuse me, will start no preseason games last night. That
was a little different, not having it on a on
(33:24):
a Thursday and week two of the NFL preseason. But
we get games tonight, so we are we are a
fast approaching football season. And one football fan is not
happy with his current team. This also happened earlier this week,
but it opens up a bigger question, and this is
where Moncey and I and the crew want your inputs.
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All right, eight seven to seven, nine to nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine six six three six'.
Nine you can Find moncy ON x At Monzy. Blanos
you can find me ON x At Dan byer On.
Fox we're talking about. Bandwagons that's what we're talking. About
ONE a list movie star said earlier this, week in
(34:10):
so many, words he is not a bandwagon. Fan but
that wasn't his. Point his point was he's fed up
with his current. Team that star Is Denzel. Washington his,
team the one with the star on the, helmet The Dallas.
Cowboys i've been A cowboy fan since the.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Sixties he's making it hard for me not to be
a fan Because i'm still A cowboy. Fan i'm still
gonna have the star on the side of the.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Hat but he ain't thinking about.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Us he's thinking about his.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Pocket. OKAY i, Mean Jerry john on the, Phone get
him on the. Phone what does he? Say you tell,
me what does he? Say he says that he's getting
ri My.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
Cowboys we had the most successful brand in, sports you.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
KNOW i mean in terms of what. Championship, no of
course he can't.
Speaker 10 (35:00):
HIP i don't talking about, recognition, notoriety dollars and cents and.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Sports but in the, end one of The yankee you.
Speaker 10 (35:07):
Haven't been in AN nfc championship game Or Super bowl
in thirty. Years thirty, years, okay and for some, reason
he's just. Stubborn, man he just and then you got
his son sitting there talking About Michael paus' is.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Like, hey he got to want to sign a.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Contract what makes no, sense, Guys but you know.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
This there's box office and It's. Oscars jerry been a,
while he ain't been to the. Show you wouldn't. Know oh,
geez dead cell serious. Jabs he also threw jabs at
all of us who haven't played sports in our, lives
in our talking. HEADS i don't know if we have that,
(35:45):
audio but we'll play it later if it is. NECESSARY
i took a lot from That. Manci but Like covino
And rich like to, do they like to read between the.
Lines they like to find that nugget in. There AND
i HOPE i could do the guys justice because there
was something That Denzel washington said that just had me
scratching my. Head when he, Goes i've been A cowboys
(36:08):
fan since the nineteen, sixties and that sounds. Great denzel
is old enough to remember some of the nineteen. Sixties
i'm not calling them. All i'm just saying the facts are. Facts,
however WHAT i started to question, then was he really
a fan of The cowboys in the nineteen. Sixties denzel
(36:29):
is seventy years. Old he was born in nineteen fifty.
Four The Dallas cowboys came into THE nfl in nineteen.
Sixty i'm guessing at five or six years of. Age
he doesn't remember when The cowboys entered THE. Nfl so
when they enter THE, nfl they aren't The cowboys. Anyway
they're just a new team in THE nfl that's In.
Dallas but they start winning games in the mid. Sixties
(36:53):
they play The Ice bowl against The packers in the late.
Sixties this is When denzel would be twelve or. Thirteen
at a lot of, point this is where we get
our fandom as, kids maybe even. Earlier but then there's
also a, Point, manzie where you get to maybe, eighteen
nineteen and, twenty and the teams you liked as a
kid just aren't the teams you're gonna like as an.
Adult you liked maybe one for the, uniforms or you
(37:15):
like that, player but as you grow, older you kind
of settle into your. Fandom we all have different ways
of doing. So The cowboys heydays prior to their stint
in the nineteen nineties was the nineteen. Seventies so Is
Denzel washington lying to us that he was actually a
fan of The cowboys in the, sixties where there doesn't
seem any reason to be a. Fan and if you've
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liked The cowboys for as long as he has, has
are you? Bandwagon if you like them because they were
winning in the nineteen. Seventies this is the. DILEMMA i
think that there are so many levels of fandom and
trying to figure out who your favorites. Are Because denzel
was born In New, york we see him At laker
(37:58):
games AND i just find out this week that he
was A cowboys. Fan i've seen him His wikipedia PICTURE
i think has him been A yankees. Cap so there's
a lot of top level teams. There BUT i want
to talk about bandwagon and His Denzel washington possibly bandwagon
because he started liking The cowboys when they were Winning Super.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Bowl, absolutely where has this information been for? Years you
were born In New york in the, sixties you were
a young, kid and The giants have been Around New.
York giants have been around a long, time.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Right, yes, yeah like he had at no longer even.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Right like he had a team to follow and root.
For but you now in twenty twenty, five want to
mention that you've been A cowboys fan since the? Sixties
all gay?
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Themself, YEAH i JUST i didn't like that's. CUTE i
couldn't buy. It there's things that you, say like some
sports fans will try to justify their fandom and give
a reason. WHY i don't think you necessarily always have
to do. SO i have random, teams couple of random,
teams teams that mean the most to. Me i've liked
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those teams most of my. Life and WHEN i say,
most it's because at two and, THREE i didn't know
who The Seattle seahawks were at that. Point but WHEN
i was seven and got to meet The, seahawks Meet
seahawks players in nineteen eighty, four changed my. Perspective and
WHEN i people ask, me, like you grew up In,
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wisconsin you're a how are you not A packers? Fan
AND i, SAY i got to meet the team because
their quarterback at the time was From. Wisconsin family friend
knew my mom a friend of the family and got
us tickets to the game In milwaukee and we got
to see The seahawks meet The seahawks. Afterwards from then,
on it's all it's been at the about The. Seahawks
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that's the furthest thing From vandwagon because The seahawks weren't actually, good,
good good up Until Mike homgren took them, over and
then The pete carroll eras when they took Off. Monci
so there's a lot of different like ways about, this
but in my specific, instance as being A seahawks fan
for so, LONG i look at people's fandoms all the,
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time and so like when you're talking About, denzel, like all,
right if you liked them when they were, winning is
that bandwagon even if they've been miserable for thirty.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Years, yes that was a bandwagon. Move AND i feel
like there's nothing wrong with, that but it is just
puts into perspective of when you became that. FAN i
grew up being A clippers, Fan LIKE i was not
allowed to root for anybody else besides The, clippers, right
and so whenever somebody's, like oh, Yeah i'm A clippers,
fan you, know it's, like all, right what jersey do you?
(40:37):
Have Kawhi, leonard that's not you jumped on the. Bandwagon
that's not a Real clipper. Fan and we have a
lot of. Those but it's like you weren't there When
elton brand was there Or Quentin richardson or you, know
like that's WHAT i remember back in my day and.
Nowadays like a team that's perfect is when you meet
someone and they're, Like i'm A chiefs. Fan i'm, like, yeah,
(40:57):
okay since when five years? Ago yeah, Okay. Yeah there's
few teams where it's like you definitely probably jumped on the.
BANDWAGON i have a, Friend, jacob who is From, missouri
From Kansas, city and so WHEN i found out he
was A chiefs fan because he lives, HERE i was,
like and he's, like, No i'm from. There i've been
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one my whole. Life half of these people are. BANDWAGONERS
i jumped on The chiefs ever since we started. Winning
there's certain teams that they.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Have A, YES i understand that The chiefs fandom can take,
off AND i think there's a lot of young fans
that Are chiefs fans right. Now Taylor swift is probably
bringing in a whole new audience of. Fans there was
a guy that lived in an apartment complex that we lived,
in probably a decade or so, ago and he was
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A chiefs fan where he had the license PLATE. Frameka
So i'm like all, right and THEN i would see
him on Certain sundays he'd be in His chief's. Gear
BUT i can't say THAT i personally knew or saw
A chiefs fan and they were kind of, good, yeah,
right like it Was Alex smith. Good this is before
The mahomes, Takeoff so there's that portion of. It you're
(42:07):
much more harder On denzel THAN i, am BECAUSE i
do think if you're still sticking with them through thirty
years of, sorrow that there's got to be some equity
built into.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
THAT i GUESS i just don't believe that he's been
dealing with sorrow for thirty. YEARS i feel like he
was a fan and then stopped being a, fan and
now he's back on being a fan and wants to
talk about how crappy his team. Is BUT i feel
like there was a year's, Right like you weren't even
thinking about The, cowboys, right you know that's not like you,
said we would have seen pictures on social media or.
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Something this is the first time we've heard of.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
This isaac Lohncrodez, Here Chris, Purfett Jason stewart all hanging out,
again your phone calls eight, seven, seven nine nine On?
Fox where do you weigh? In and Is Denzel washington
A bandwagon? Fan if he started to like The cowboys
when they were. WINNING i just don't believe it's. STORY
i think it's easy to SAY i was a fan
of the. Sixties there would be no reason for him
to be a fan at that. Point they were just
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new to the. League it just that doesn't make sense
unless there was a. REASON i think he became a
fan of the, seventies which helps his argument if he
says that he's a fan from the. Sixties Jason stewart
bandwagon is the. Topic, yeah, no, no that was WHERE
i was going to.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Go SO i always equate like the invent of, television
or at least how when TVs were like mass consumed
with the nineteen sixty presidential, debate remember The Nixon kennedy
thing all. That so TVs weren't really around in a
mass consumption way in the, sixties so the only way
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to follow your team was like to go down and
watch them down the, street or follow them in the
local paper LEG i just don't think you got a
lot of people. THAT i don't think you had a
lot Of Dan byer's in the sixties and before that
were diehard fans of teams and other cities far. Away
so it just doesn't jive with. ME i don't believe.
That in the seventies is when they started Becoming america's, team,
(44:05):
right that was an easy bandwagon to jump with.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Us, Yeah, yeah it was. Yeah and that's WHY i
think that he became a he became a. FAN aasa
Glowing CROSS.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
A great anecdote and a true anecdote about this topic of.
Conversation in nineteen eighty, Eight Wayne, gretzky the most dominant
player in hockey, history was traded from The Edmonton oilers
at the peak of his, career forced down the cups
in five, years to the then Lowly La, kings and
it took Hockey. Hollywood it resulted in a whole new
(44:35):
era of popularity for THE. Nhl but despite, that there
was a sizeable group Of kings fans who were loyal
to the team for many years, that believe it or,
not actively resented them Acquiring Wayne gretzky and resented the
new fans coming in who they considered as bandwagon. Fans
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i'm talking about a, small already breed of fans who
have been loyal to a team that was kind of
at the bottom of the standings for, many many. Years
it's shocking for me to even say that that's, true
but it was. True they resented the, trade and they
resented all these new fans that were showing up and
spoiling their you, know little.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
Experience it's people who don't want their favorite bands to become.
Popular that's such a real.
Speaker 6 (45:22):
Thing, yes that is such a real thing.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
Because they love the music so much and maybe it's
so personal to. Them true.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
STORY i went to A metallica concert in nineteen ninety,
one ninety one at The forum and As Enter sandman
was played as to start the, concert Two hessian guys
in front of me that were smoking pot looked at
each other and, said this is the. Song this is
when it all. Changed in other, words they were fans
of the album's previous they were the real. Fans But
(45:50):
Enter sandman gave us all of.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
This, no, absolutely like there's there's no. DOUBT i know
people the same thing of That Black aulum. Was, yeah
that was the line in the sand for. Them tony's
In vegas wanting to talk about. Bandwagons, Tony welcome To
Fox Sports.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
Radio oh how y'all doing?
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Great? Tony how are you?
Speaker 11 (46:12):
Good? GOOD i want to tell. Y'all y'all a one
thousand percent. WRONG i can tell you guys are Not
denzel fans because everybody who Are denzel, fans like myself
know he's From Mount, Vernon New, york and he's synonymous
with The knicks and The yankees and The Dallas. Cowboys
it's just that because of the, movies especially the movie
(46:34):
he played, in uh With when With Ray, allen he's
connected to. Basketball, now if you're talking about him being
A lakers, fan because he lives IN la and got
houses IN. La he's more of A vandwagon fan fan
to The, lakers but not to The. Cowboys and if
you heard his, story he said he was A cowboys fan.
Speaker 8 (46:56):
Because of his father and.
Speaker 11 (46:58):
Grass that's why he said sixteen not.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Sixties hold, On, Tony. Tony we Lost. TONY i had
to ask. Him so he said he's been a fan
since his the sixties or what was the?
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Difference, yeah, yeah the, sixties not. Sixty no, week we
said that the sixties not his.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Age here this is AND i. LISTEN i got this
From Denzel's wikipedia. Page whether it was was true he
had looked At Texas tech or thought about going To
Texas tech at one point because the high school that
he was in was also called The Red. Raiders now
(47:40):
that is something THAT i think any kid can. UNDERSTAND
i was enamored with The university Of georgia for a
time WHEN i was a kid because they had the
same exact helmet that The packers, had but it was
a different. Color like it was such a it was
such a mind bleep for a kid that's eight years
(48:01):
old that, like you, know you just didn't you didn't, understand,
like how could, that you, know how could that? Happen
the quote From wikipedia, SAYS i grew up in the
boys club In, Mountain vernon and we were The Red.
Raiders so WHEN i was in high, SCHOOL i wanted
to go To Texas tech And lubbock because they were
called The Red raiders in their uniforms look like. Ours
that to me is more of a reason and why
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you would be A Texas tech fan than you would
be A cowboys. Fan Now i'm not A denzel, fan
But i'll say this To tony's point that may work against,
him even though he says we're. Wrong what a nice
life to be A.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yankees cowboys And knicks fan in the nineteen. Seventies the
nineteen seventies were the last time The knicks are actually
good and were at the darn and winning a, Championship
so like those are all convenient to that. POINT i
actually thought he was A lakers, fan But i'm not
THE i don't know everything About, denzel but this is
part of the. Argument AND i don't necessarily think he's
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bandwagon for The cowboys because he's stuck with them for thirty.
YEARS i just think he got on the train when
the going was good and just never has gotten off.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
Totally AND i agree with, you AND i, Mean tony
made up a point where it's like he the bandwagon of
The lakers is also still a. Thing we're just mentioning
The cowboys right. Now but, yeah he's IN, la so
you could say he's now A laker. Bandwagoner BUT i
it just like you, said how, convenient how convenient for your.
Speaker 5 (49:28):
Fandom there are people of my age whose favorite teams
are the forty Nine, ers The No, Offense Rich, davis The,
braves all these teams at the time that were winning
championships when you're thirteen years, old or winning teams at that,
time and they all Just i'm A i'm A, Braves,
Niners bulls, Fan, like oh, wow childhood must have. Stunk
(49:51):
you have no, Idea you have no idea what it
was like to going to school Every monday in Late
november After Ohio state lost To michigan and my friends
Weren't michigan. Fans they don't, care they just. Weren't they
laughed at me because The buck guys lost another big
game and that happened over and. Over roger In vegas Talking. Bandwagons,
Roger welcome To Fox Sports.
Speaker 8 (50:13):
Radio, hey hello to, everyone AND i want to talk About.
Denzel i'm not A cowboys, fan but if you go
back to the era When Tom landrew was the, coach
they were in THE Nfc championship game like seventeen out
of twenty one, years AND i know that created a
tremendous amount Of cowboys Fan so that was just my you,
(50:35):
know thought on, uh what you, said he's a. Badger
there was a ton of. People and again go back To,
wintar that's the era That, denzel like myself would have
been a, younger you, Know EASi lee And Florence. Stamp
you see him in the championship game all the time
and having winning records for twenty plus. Years, yeah they
(50:56):
do a lot of. Fans so that's my take on.
THAT i just wanted to share that With.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
ROGER i appreciate it because there's The cowboys And denzel
weren't the reason THAT i thought of, this BECAUSE i
mentioned This tomasi earlier this, week and like when we
get together For kivino And, rich we have to talk about.
This i've thought about this about two specific, teams and
one of them is in THE, nfl but the one
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THAT i thought about at the most is The Chicago
bulls more because of my age AND i have, SAID
i have respect a lot of respect For bulls fans
that are Still bulls fans today because it hasn't been.
Good aside from a Little Derek rose run in, there
(51:42):
it's been. AWFUL. Raf so if you're still A bulls
fan and chearing for The bulls, today, congratulations round of
applause to. You even though in the nineteen nineties you
had your way with, everyone at least you stuck with
them and did not veer. Off but ultimately it feels
like there were so Many bulls. FANS i was one
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of the few people that didn't Like Michael. JORDAN i
wanted The bulls to. LOSE i wanted The sonics to beat.
THEM i wanted The suns to be Fan YES i did.
NOT i was not A jordan. Fan but at some
point you just kind of are, like all, right you,
know it is what it. Is they're gonna win. Again
but that those fans that were Always bulls fans are you?
(52:24):
Today AND i think that there's a test to. That
the other, one To roger's point of the success of The.
Cowboys i've thought that about The. Steelers how Many steelers
fans do we know that are our? Age and it's
because not your, Age, manzi you're. Younger but The steelers
were winning Those Super bowls in the nineteen, seventies so
you obviously liked. Them and now they have such a
huge fan base now like are you are you still a?
(52:47):
Fan are you? Bandwagon The steelers have had, success so
they've kept their FANS i guess well. Fed but if
you're A bulls, fan and even in this, case if
You're denzel and you're still sticking by The, COWBOYS i
actually don't think that you're bandwagon because you've been with
him that. LONG i think that his argument is trying
to fit his reason and trying to show how long
(53:08):
he's been a, Fan but it just begs the question
of if you started when they were, winning do you
think that they're bandwagon if they haven't won in a?
Speaker 6 (53:15):
While, WELL i think, right if you were a bandwagoner
at one point doesn't mean you still are like The.
Bulls like if you jumped on that bandwagon During Michael
jordan's prime and you're still, there Then i'm going to
say you're no longer a, bandwagoner but that's how your fandom,
started because there is a way where you were, that
(53:35):
but now you stuck by it for whatever. Reason, Yeah
bulls have had a, rough rough couple of years without much.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Success it's been a while for.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
Me, yes and even just like making the playoffs and
having like a fun, run they don't even have. That.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
Correct you, know you've Got Billy donovan on a contract
extension now is what you've.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
Got that's literally, it and then a bunch of question
marks around the rest of the.
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I just looked at the calendar, Monci, and you know what,
I realized.
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It's Friday.
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It's Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday. Now, the guys probably did
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I think else calls me usc Chres as well.
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Speaker 6 (01:31):
I think I'm just too excited. Okay, you can don't
take away.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You're only people more excited than you are those in
ann Arbor. And I'll tell you what the guts now,
the guts of these people as this story continues to develop,
even when you think it's over, Michigan handed down their
NC double A sanctions today and now we're getting word.
Isaac reported it that from I'm not sure who broke
it first, that Michigan is appealing the penalties handed down
(01:57):
by the NC double A. Man.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
The audacity your appeal. You know you appeal something when
you when you didn't do it. Isn't that the way
it's supposed to go. I'm appealing something because you have
false me, falsely accused me of something. But we know
that they cheated. We know the KGB operation, we know that,
and now you're gonna appeal.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
After trying to cover up all of the evidence. Yes,
it's yes.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
The Wolverine fan base is probably like, yeah, that's right,
We're gonna appeal, that's right, and you know what, they're
not gonna find us anyway.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, what do they have to lose. They've already got off,
you know, basically not entirely scott free, but feeling pretty
much pretty close. There's gonna be some stuff taken out
of their wallet, but not the punishment that that few
of us, a few of us wanted Michigan to receive,
and now they're appealing it. There is something with there
(02:57):
is there's something with being falsely accused of something. Then
there's the difference between that and then being not exonerated,
but getting off with a very very light penalty and
essentially getting away with it. And that's what I think
that we're weighing here. Like you, I'm sorry, there's not
(03:18):
a Michigan fan around that can say that we didn't
do anything. And not only did they not do anything,
they didn't do anything. On multiple occasions. Mazi mentions the
KGB portion of it, which is I just love that,
I'm sorry, which was part of the scheme that they
had in the sign that the label of the sign
stealing scandal. This was the message from the Chief hearing
(03:41):
Officer for the NCAA Committee on Infractions said on the scandal,
and I'm going to read this quote the true quote.
The true scope and scale of the scheme, including the
competitive advantage it afforded, will never be fully known due
to individuals intentional destruction and withholding of materials and information.
But the intent was clear to gain a substantial competitive advantage.
(04:05):
You don't put together a network of individuals called the
KGB that records what they call dirty film, where the
cost of doing this is in the tens of thousands
of dollars over three seasons, unless you intend to gain
a substantial competitive advantage. The words are much stronger than
the punishment. Yeah, and what was ultimately handed down. But
(04:29):
there has to be a way where I know Michigan
fans are skipping in the streets of ann Arbor, probably
enjoying their wonderful three day weekend up in the up
celebrating up yes, the Upper Peninsula. Any chance we have
an opportunity to mention it second straight day here on
Fox Sports Radio. By the way, we've talked about the
Upper Peninsula. Any opportunity that they can have to celebrate
(04:49):
this they can, and now to appeal that it is.
It's just it's in their faces. It's to everybody else's
is like watch this now, now watch what we're gonna do.
We got away with all this other stuff. Now we're
actually gonna try to appeal it and get less of
a penalty.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
I know, it's really rich. You get a slap on
the wrist, and then you're mad about the slap on
the wrist. Don't you dare slap me on the wrist?
That's what they're saying. I can't. I cannot believe they're
appealing it. What a what a joke they're making of
the n C doable a it's.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
And because they can probably that's it's probably the reason why.
And then there really aren't any direct effects to hinder
this Michigan football team excepttion you run more getting a
game suspension or a couple of game suspension. So those
are the things that are things that the Michigan football
team is gonna have to deal with this year. But
that pales in comparison to what it could have been
(05:41):
or what should have been from the back end of it,
But it does provide a bigger picture. I just I
balanced the the I'm actually innocent to the I got
away with it, like I can understand. That's like I
didn't I didn't know that. I wasn't I wasn't sure
of it. I didn't know this rule. Maybe you were
a naive or maybe weren't even involved at all. But
(06:02):
I just don't think that getting away with the easier
penalty is reason to celebrate something as opposed to not
doing anything at all.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Oh no, you're one hundred percent right. But the thing
is they are going to celebrate. They're probably celebrating more
than they were before over that championship. Now they're like, look,
we are invincible. Yes, that is how I would feel
right now if I was in Michigan.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I'm trying to like take it into real world terms
in terms of like a speeding ticket, okay, or some
sort of like traffic enforcement. I got busted for something
I didn't do twelve years ago at the intersection right
outside of work. I didn't do anything wrong, and I
(06:46):
got pulled over and got a ticket for what they
said I did even though I didn't do it, And
it still bothers me to this day that I didn't
fight it to the lengths that I should have fought it.
I ultimately just took the punishment and let it go away.
But in my heart of hearts, I know that I
was wrong. The complete exact opposite, I think is is
(07:06):
this is the jubilee that you would get for knowing
that you did it, did it on your own terms,
and then hardly had to pay the price for it.
Like there's they don't feel guilty about this. This isn't
This isn't cheating on a spouse and having remorse or
a significant other and then all please come back. No,
(07:28):
this is this is none of that. This is embezzling
all these dollars and then spending it and living the
life of Riley and then coming back and getting a
slap on the rest.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yeah, it's like they're justifying it in their own way,
you know, like Ross Scaler justifying cheating on or Rachel
Green because they were on a break. That's what Michigan
is doing right now, trying to justify it. Oh, it's
a technicality. This is we didn't break any rules. Get
out of here with that mess. So IGN got time
for that.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Jason Stewart's our executive producer. I got a great example.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
This is a real happy one for our Cavino and
rich audience, real life example. And tell me if I'm wrong.
You talk about the punishment coming up way short of
the crime and walking away from something, being able to
never say that you were innocent and everyone knows you
did something bad.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
P Diddy, yes or no?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I hear what you where you're trying to go with it?
I guess yes.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
It seemed like a consensus at least from the legal community,
that he got away with so much and walked away
with a light slap on the wrist, and the reaction
from his fan base and from the people that still
respect the guy for some reason was Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
What would O J be be? I mean, it is
a per for the of the We know that he
did it, and he understood, but then we understood that
he did it, but yet he gets cleared like these
are all these are all trials that that we're going
(09:15):
through where the outcome is and I feel that I'm
even just trying to think of like in your in
your daily life when when you're late and you're flying
down a getting traffic enforcement, you're flying down the freeway
and you go eighty five the whole way and make
it to work and or make it to where you
need to go, Like, there's you know, there's something something
(09:38):
to that. What I think would be a high or
high is maybe getting stopped and then yes, yeah, yes, right,
And that's where I feel like like Michigan is of
like they just maybe they didn't have the radar gun
going at the time, but they saw you going so
fast past everyone else that they had to stop you.
So they give you the warning, but you get away
(09:59):
with it. That's what I feel happened with Michigan. Yeah,
that's what I feel like, is the equivalent not being
pulled over in my traffic stop where I didn't do
anything wrong, Trust me, I didn't. There was no traffic
that day. They said I went around cars in a
lane that I shouldn't have. It was a holiday, there
was nobody on the street, Manti, there were completely Twelve
(10:19):
years later, I'm still mad about it, but that's what
I feel like, There's there's something to it, as opposed
to not doing it or actually doing it and getting
away with it with little to no penalty.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
We were just tweeted at by Moss Mace Underscore seventy eight.
He tweeted all of us basically saying that this appeal
is purely performative. If they don't appeal, it's them saying, yeah,
we got away with it, haha ha. By appealing, they're
still you know, projecting their innocence.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yes, I I'm a good point, yes I, But I
don't think that they're they're innocent. Like Connor Stallions did come,
you know, did speak with the NC double A. He
this is the whole thing is as well with him
as just completely defiant was Jim Harbaugh and then he
leaves and is now in the NFL and never has
(11:12):
to This from a guy who is quoted as saying
when he was the forty nine ers head coach that
you know, cheaters never win in the whole deal. But
there was conversations that Connor Stallions did have with the
with the NC DOUBLEA, where reportedly he was emotional in
what his doings were, so you knew that there was
some wrongdoing. But as Michigan as a whole, I think
(11:33):
Moss is maybe correct in what he's saying.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah, and it's just unbelievable though that this is it
makes sense that it's like they're trying to appeal because
they don't want to admit that they got away with it.
But we know you got away with it.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And Jim Harbaugh is the one that like the biggest
one where I think because he's in control, he is
the program, and let's be honest, he is Michigan. He
was their quarterback at one point and comes back to
say it Andrew tweets in saying, why would you penalize
the championship season when the sign stealing was done during
the prior season? This is such a non story, and
then he says, read Andy Staples article about it. I'll
(12:11):
get the Andy's article at some point. It's not going
to be in the next two hours while we're on
the we're on the air. The point of Jim Harbaugh
is Jim Harbaugh was in place and you had wrongdoing.
He was suspended by the Big Ten for three games
and then was given the suspension, where a lot of
people thought that it was underserved, like the hay was
(12:32):
already in the barn, like something needed to be done
on a grand scale, but you needed the NCAA to
have their investigation. There was a time to penalize Michigan.
That's just not how the process worked. And again that
worked in the favor of Michigan because this is drawn
out now in August of twenty twenty five, you know
where we're almost two full football seasons removed from something
(12:56):
like this happening or these these actions happening, and we're
still talking about it. That's part of the frustration of
it is because these things are so drawn out that
you can never really punish the right people. And here
was an opportunity where maybe you could, maybe you could
penalize Jim Harbaugh for what he did. And it's not
(13:16):
just the one championship season. There were building blocks up
to that point.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
To see that they're not connected leading up to the championship.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
That doesn't work, Yes, that's it Actually, I think works
like in college we think like, oh, guys move every
four years, but there's a building up to that point.
The point is is you had a guy in a
job where you could directly penalize him or directly penalize
the school, then they chose not to do it. And
instead we had a full drawn out process, which is frustrating.
(13:47):
And now on top of it, Michigan has gotten away
with it, and then they have the guts to sit
there and appeal it. I mean, it's just I don't
want to say at least that OJ got you know,
pegged in the civil suit, but that's small beans, considering
he couldn't pay what he owed in the civil suit anyway.
And then ultimately there was something else in what's the
(14:09):
memorabilia stuff, where OJ got some jail time for the
memorabilia heist that went on, But that doesn't make up
for the fact that we all believe that he killed
two people.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
You know what you and Ohio State fans can kind
of hope for Dan is that karma kicks in. I'm
not a religious person or a real spiritual person, but
I do believe in karma. In this instance, OJ paid
the price publicly. Deshaun Watson, I think, is paying the
price publicly. He got off without any punishment obviously. Oh no,
(14:44):
I guess the NFL handed him one year suspension, but
everyone feels like it was far less of punishment for
the crime. But like seeing Deshaun Watson be ostracized by
the Cleveland community and women and stuff has kind of
given me a sense of justice. So if Michigan has
something awful happened to them, are you ever gonna get justice?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
I am curious to see on how this all falls
out with the fines and financially, if it will have
any effect. I don't think that Jim Harbaugh will feel
any penalties whatsoever. And as I told you guys earlier today,
if the Chargers win the Super Bowl, it's going to
be the greatest twelve months of Jim Harbaugh's career, and
(15:28):
this hat would have happened in that twelve month span.
And I feel that there are people who love the
Harbaugh Act as it is the Khakis, the down to Earth,
you know, like that's that's how that's how he's portrayed.
He's a different cant, there's no doubt about it. But
I feel that people embrace that, and because of some
of the stuff that he did do and does do,
(15:48):
people like that. And I don't know if he's if
he's going to ever feel the true ramifications of this,
because the penalties that they gave him just don't apply
because he's not going back to college sports, and.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
To's to what you're saying. He's he's liked as a
person and what he did wasn't egregious like O. J.
Simpson or like Deshaun Watson. This was sign stealing, which
a lot of people would be like, it's just sign stealing, right, Like,
I don't think people look at it the same exact
way as those other two. So, but he's so liked,
(16:20):
he's so liked as just the person he is.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
There's degrees of karma, and I think that maybe you
could actually accept the uh and this is a weird
kind of way to look at it. You could accept
the rashad Slater maybe as as your first step in
bad karma for coach Harbaugh.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
It's an interesting that is a yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I I hope for Shaun Slater's sake that he's not
the one that's having to deal correct to having to
pay for the the punishment of Jim Harbaugh. But just
the charger current, you're you're right, it may be it
may be karma. I feel like there's just certain things
that people don't care as much about. So when you
bring up the astros and the signs stealing, which I've
(17:04):
said here over the past couple of months. I feel
most of baseball has moved on from it. I think
most of college football has moved on from it. One
of the more frustrating things to me was not what
Michigan did, was how people viewed what Michigan did, and
it's saying because it wasn't as important to them, so
(17:24):
it wasn't that big of a deal. And then now
the fight back onto what people who think Michigan did
do wrong or a lot of what aboutism's without dealing
with the real problem, and the real issue is this
is they cheated, didn't want to talk with the NCAA,
didn't cooperate. Then they had a bigger scandal where we
heard spending thousands of dollars in deleting evidence and not cooperating,
(17:50):
and then this is all they get. So they're not
even a first time offender. You can't even give them
a warning. But yet the penalty sure feels like it
was warning esque.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Absolutely, ah slap on the wrist.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yes, And then it happened on a Friday. So this
will just go on and then by Monday we'll be
onto something new.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
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Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yes, it works, It really does.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Every time I hear them say that, I'm like, you
couldn't plan that better.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
You know what else works?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
What works?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Putting Taylor Swift on a podcast. That's right because it
worked for New Heights Travis Kelcey and his girlfriend Taylor
Swift on the New Heights podcast with Kelsey's brother Jason
kelce You know Travis and Jason do the podcast, but
they've never done it to these numbers, three hundred and
seventy nine million views on Instagram, over sixty one point
(19:20):
six million views on x TikTok, had another thirty four
and a half million views on YouTube where I watched
it fifteen million views. As for the live viewers, that
was me one point three million. I'm crashed. At one point,
they passed three million followers on Instagram and there were
four hundred thousand new YouTube subscribers since, and it's the
(19:44):
most concurrent podcast listeners ever. For the New Heights episode
that aired on Wednesday, I.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
All those people that were hate watching must have been
so annoyed by the end of it, because it was
honestly a really entertaining I don't even know how long
it was. I can't even remember, but the whole thing
was quite entertaining for me. Obviously I love Taylor Swift,
but there were so many different parts of it. I
didn't know where it was going. We obviously knew there
(20:13):
was a new album, but I didn't know what exactly
they were going to talk about. And more importantly, I
think we don't get to see them interact a lot together.
Jas Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift and it was really
cute and sweet how they were with each other, which
we didn't get to see this entire like last two
years of their relationship.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Did you like how they were holding hands throughout it?
Speaker 6 (20:35):
They were holding hands, He kissed her like on the
head a few times in moments that I thought was
very sweet and genuine. And anyone who's like this is
so fake, Yeah, shut up, go argue with the wall.
No it's not.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Oh. I did appreciate Jason asking questions that were relevant
into what everybody wanted to know about, Like I brought
up the point of the publishing deal and the what's
the difference of your masters and stuff like that, and
totally interesting. We locked in on giving that answer.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I didn't know any of that. You knew she had
gone through that, but I thought that was so interesting.
I also, you know, to start off when she explains
what she thought football was at first, that was also
great to hear.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yes, we got that this is what Taylor Swift actually
thought football and how football was played.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
I thought I thought that the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
See, that's how you played it on the on the
playground growing up. So I understand if you hadn't.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
Like, no, you don't understand. I thought it was like
Jared Goff is here and Josh Allen's here, and they're
gonna be like they blow a whistle and then they
they go at each other and they're.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Like and like who's gonna win.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
That's actually I would love to see Jared Goft defense.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I thought some ideas, I've got some thoughts, and you know,
leading into that question because she says that when she
first started like dating Travis, leading into that exact quote
she we just heard. She says that she asked Travis like,
how did it feel? You know, you played your brother
in the Super Bowl? You're standing there, he's standing on
the other side. How to feel? And that then they
were like you, no, no, I play offense, he plays offense.
(22:14):
We actually don't see each other like that. And I
thought it was it was sweet that she asked a
question that, yeah, like how is it with your brother?
And then that's how it led into her response to
being like no, no, no, I really thought this is how
football was played.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Yes, it was a great revelation and I love how
it's also is a glimpse and how the mind works
when you're learning about football. Total let go ow somebody
thought that those two were on the same field. What
should be noted Jared Golf almost did have to play
defense for the Lions last year because everybody was hurt.
Chris Prophet, I think you can attest to that. A pain,
so much pain. He was like dB fourteen on the team.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And I do I do wonder if she takes away
from like how we talk about all these games. When
you see a big you know, here's the game coming
up on Amazon or on Fox. It's Jared Goff and
the Lions acon take on Josh Allen and the Bills.
It makes it sound once again, I have this conversation
with people all the time. It makes it sound like
(23:07):
when we say these quarterbacks are facing each other, they're
actually facing each other. Yeah, you're absolutely they totally get
why someone like that would would take that.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I would also say that if you just never watch football,
basketball is more of a sport that is commonly known.
So Lebron James and Steph Curry are on the court
at the same time. To Christ's point, you're seeing Lebron
James and Steph Curry head to head in the NBA Finals,
and so you would think like, oh, that's why they
would do it, or that sport does it that way,
(23:36):
so why wouldn't football also do it that way?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Absolutely, and even in basketball, you could just watch it
and kind of understand what's happening. If you watch football
and you have never watched it is it is hard
to keep up. If you don't know football. It is
hard to keep up and watch it. You don't know basketball.
You can tune in and be like, Okay, I get
what's going on. Basketball has to go in the hoop
gay five on five.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It's not like that, yes, because in football you can
kick the ball from the same spot and two different
situations and it's different points exactly. So an extra point
and a thirty three yard field goal are the same distance.
And if you're trying to learn, that makes it very
very difficult. At least in the NBA. You see the
(24:19):
line on the floor where you're like, this is two,
that is three.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
And it doesn't change.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Yes, yes, but for whatever reason, from the same exact
spot in football, if you don't understand the point after attempt,
it would be or they're going for two here, well
why don't they get six? Well they just got six?
Well why can't you get six again, Like, I feel
like those are conversations that would happen in a living
room totally. I also feel that there's something to this
is we're now forty eight hours out something that happened
(24:46):
earlier in the year not apples to apples, but the
halftime show with Kendrick Lamar there there was a different
like being there live, being at the Super Bowl, as
fortunate as a was, you have a different experience for
what is a made for TV concert, But it was
a concert that really ended up thriving because of social
(25:10):
media afterwards. We were talking about it for a week
or two, and I feel like when you look at
something like this again, it's not apples to apples. I
don't know if we're going to be talking about this
two weeks from now, but it's got so much of
a longer shelf life than just when it originally appeared.
And maybe that's how things are nowadays, but I feel
like there's just some similarities with that performance that we
(25:32):
had in February to what this episode was.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
You're right on the money. I agree with you. We
were talking about that show for so long after the fact.
Didn't think we would be, but we were this is
still being talked about, and it might still be talked
about in a week. Dan, that's how big it was.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
You watched it live. I watched it lot show you
didn't have to wait for people that don't. You can
still add to those numbers. Jason Stewart and I both
watched it. You watch it on YouTube? Is that where
you also watched it?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Jay, I caught some of it on YouTube and I've
just been watching a little equlips.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Okay, all right, yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
You're going to say, you guys watched it together, like
you gathered, grabbed some food.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Watch, we shared the actual iPod. We we had to
get really close, precious iPad iPod. Can I give you
my quick takeaways because in a lot of ways, I
come at this very from the opposite of what Mancy
comes at it. She's a super fan, as are millions
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of people. I would argue millions of teenage girls. But
you guys have talked me off that wedge. I won't
sell that.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I am so close to a teenage girl though.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
And I'm guessing as a teenage girl you liked her.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Maybe yes, no, yeah, we I am the same age
as as Taylor Sweat.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
So yes, So I I was. I was captivated by
how they interacted. Yes, and I was the one early
I was the old curmudgeon saying this was fake. It
was a huge publicity stunt. But I apologize to you
about six months in and I will. But I was
captivated about how they interact. They're like giddy teenagers. They're
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both in their thirties, They've both had many relationships, but
the handholding thing and just the way that they address
each other, there's still very much in seemingly that honeymoon
phase that all of us have been in the first
few months totally, but they're what eighteen months in or
whatever it's been. It's like to me, that's what first
caught hold. And then just how engaged she is and
(27:27):
what he's passionate about. And I know that he's engaged
with what she's passionate about. He knows her music, he
seems to like her music, which I can't I can't get.
So those were kind of my takeaways, like just how
engaging both of them in are in each other's lives
and how they they deal with each other. Nobody knows
(27:47):
if it's going to last, but hope that it does.
But you hope that it does people change.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
What I will say is well to piggyback off of
that is and I look at it from a weird way.
I think that that people have a lot of insecurities.
And so if I was dating Taylor Swift and she
had dated famous guys, well you know John Mayer, Yeah,
(28:14):
you know Jake Jillenhall, wasn't he another one like this?
Like there are others like that takes like you have
to have confidence in yourself if you're Travis Kelcey. But
also if you were insecure, you would maybe hold that
unfortunately against the other person, you would hold that against
Taylor Swift. Well, Taylor Swift just has to say you
had a dating show or you just dated all of
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these other different you know, like women, she could have
that sort of insecurity. They don't have that. That's not
how they live, that's not who they are. And I
felt that that, like that's another reason why it works.
They're secure in who they are. They don't worried about this,
worried about that, or could do this or could do that.
They also seem to be living in the present.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Absolutely, And I feel like with with Taylor Swift, you know,
there's rumors or store that Beyonce, if you ever Beyonce
doesn't say a lot. She like doesn't do a lot
of interviews. She doesn't just go out there and talk,
and that's because they say they don't want her to,
because they don't trust what she may say. I was
surprised at how comfortable Taylor Swift was in this podcast
(29:17):
for talking about everything, because you could argue that it
was a bit scripted, but it didn't feel that way.
If it was, it was nice to see her. And
she also is very self deprecating, which you don't hear
her say that a lot. When when Travis Kelce was
like you're an athlete, She's like, I am not an athlete.
She's like, no, what are you talking about? Like training
for this, and she's like, you're so sweet when she
(29:38):
even like grabbed his face, so she's like, I am
not an athlete. There was just so many sides I
feel like of Taylor Swift that we never get to see.
Travis Kelce. We get to see all sides of it.
He was on a reality TV show. This was just
a different side even of Travis Kelce, but more of
all the different sides of Taylor Swift that you don't
get to.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
See what you're talking about. Is like it was just
a genuine nature to their interaction.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
It seems so genuine the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
I am such a skeptic that my BS meter is
always on and I would love to tell you that
there was a lot of BS meter going off and
there wasn't really just a genuine interaction.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There was a little for me, But I don't want
that to make it seem like it's a negative thing.
Like in the back of my mind, I'm like, she's
a performer. She gets it like when you're when you're
in the biz, you know when you have to turn
it on, and I feel like she knows how to
turn it on. There were no yes, no questions. She
knew the format, she knew to fill, she knew those things.
(30:38):
It's also a safe place where you're not guarded and
you feel like you were going to be asked something
that is uncomfortable, so you can say what you say
and know that you're not going to get any pushback
on it. But I did. I didn't think it was fake.
I just thought, Okay, there's certain things that are being
talked about here and done in a certain way because
of the way the surrounding people.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Are totally the point of this was to promote her
new album, so you knew, yes, that it was going
to be you know, curated for that. But even even
with that, Dan, even though she is a performer, this
was I guess the performance, but it was it just
I'm with Jason. It was so just genuine.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
I think both Dan an art could be right because
I think Dan, you're talking about the way she presented
in her answers, I'm talking about their actual interaction. Just
to just looking at both of them, I was discernibly
looking at how they interact and it just there was
no bs there that it was interesting.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I felt he was the third wheel. I've said that.
I felt like her and Jason had a really good
chemistry going back and forth. And Travis is usually the
one talking to Jason, and so now he isn't. So
he's just kind of standing by, trying to say his
stuff in a certain way, and maybe he's not going
to use the language that he and his brother normally
do because his girlfriend is sitting there. But I felt
(31:53):
like I actually felt like he was the third wheel
a little bit in terms of the interactions because he
just wasn't familiar in that scenario.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
He was kind of like the third wheel, which makes
it even better if you think about it. He let
her just shine.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
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Speaker 5 (32:16):
Okay, I did have a mountain dew today and I
was eating cold pizza, but I also brought a yogurt
to work good for you Friday. Then I opened the
lid and it splattered all over my black shirt because
I thought I was going to a funeral today. With
Michigan's punishments handed down, it was anything but and me
getting yogurt all over my sleeve and whatnot is a
perfect description of how it felt when those NCAA punishments
(32:40):
came down. But Moncey, Yes, that's a good that's a
good point to the past. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna move on from it because it's Friday. Here on
and Rich Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday Friday, rocking out
with Isaac Glowing Crowd, Jason Stewart, Crisperfats, She Is Mancy Belaanio.
So I'm on buyer in for Cavino and Rich. It's
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been quite the week. It wasn't just Michigan getting their
penalties today. It was, as we talked about Taylor Swift
on the New Heights podcast, a lot's been going on
as football is around the corner. A week from tomorrow,
week zero of the NFL of the college football season.
Excuse me, will start no preseason games last night. That
was a little different, not having it on a on
(33:24):
a Thursday and week two of the NFL preseason. But
we get games tonight, so we are we are a
fast approaching football season. And one football fan is not
happy with his current team. This also happened earlier this week,
but it opens up a bigger question, and this is
where Moncey and I and the crew want your inputs.
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All right, eight seven to seven, nine to nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine six six three six'.
Nine you can Find moncy ON x At Monzy. Blanos
you can find me ON x At Dan byer On.
Fox we're talking about. Bandwagons that's what we're talking. About
ONE a list movie star said earlier this, week in
(34:10):
so many, words he is not a bandwagon. Fan but
that wasn't his. Point his point was he's fed up
with his current. Team that star Is Denzel. Washington his,
team the one with the star on the, helmet The Dallas.
Cowboys i've been A cowboy fan since the.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Sixties he's making it hard for me not to be
a fan Because i'm still A cowboy. Fan i'm still
gonna have the star on the side of the.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Hat but he ain't thinking about.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Us he's thinking about his.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Pocket. OKAY i, Mean Jerry john on the, Phone get
him on the. Phone what does he? Say you tell,
me what does he? Say he says that he's getting
ri My.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
Cowboys we had the most successful brand in, sports you.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
KNOW i mean in terms of what. Championship, no of
course he can't.
Speaker 10 (35:00):
HIP i don't talking about, recognition, notoriety dollars and cents and.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Sports but in the, end one of The yankee you.
Speaker 10 (35:07):
Haven't been in AN nfc championship game Or Super bowl
in thirty. Years thirty, years, okay and for some, reason
he's just. Stubborn, man he just and then you got
his son sitting there talking About Michael paus' is.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Like, hey he got to want to sign a.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Contract what makes no, sense, Guys but you know.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
This there's box office and It's. Oscars jerry been a,
while he ain't been to the. Show you wouldn't. Know oh,
geez dead cell serious. Jabs he also threw jabs at
all of us who haven't played sports in our, lives
in our talking. HEADS i don't know if we have that,
(35:45):
audio but we'll play it later if it is. NECESSARY
i took a lot from That. Manci but Like covino
And rich like to, do they like to read between the.
Lines they like to find that nugget in. There AND
i HOPE i could do the guys justice because there
was something That Denzel washington said that just had me
scratching my. Head when he, Goes i've been A cowboys
(36:08):
fan since the nineteen, sixties and that sounds. Great denzel
is old enough to remember some of the nineteen. Sixties
i'm not calling them. All i'm just saying the facts are. Facts,
however WHAT i started to question, then was he really
a fan of The cowboys in the nineteen. Sixties denzel
(36:29):
is seventy years. Old he was born in nineteen fifty.
Four The Dallas cowboys came into THE nfl in nineteen.
Sixty i'm guessing at five or six years of. Age
he doesn't remember when The cowboys entered THE. Nfl so
when they enter THE, nfl they aren't The cowboys. Anyway
they're just a new team in THE nfl that's In.
Dallas but they start winning games in the mid. Sixties
(36:53):
they play The Ice bowl against The packers in the late.
Sixties this is When denzel would be twelve or. Thirteen
at a lot of, point this is where we get
our fandom as, kids maybe even. Earlier but then there's
also a, Point, manzie where you get to maybe, eighteen
nineteen and, twenty and the teams you liked as a
kid just aren't the teams you're gonna like as an.
Adult you liked maybe one for the, uniforms or you
(37:15):
like that, player but as you grow, older you kind
of settle into your. Fandom we all have different ways
of doing. So The cowboys heydays prior to their stint
in the nineteen nineties was the nineteen. Seventies so Is
Denzel washington lying to us that he was actually a
fan of The cowboys in the, sixties where there doesn't
seem any reason to be a. Fan and if you've
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liked The cowboys for as long as he has, has
are you? Bandwagon if you like them because they were
winning in the nineteen. Seventies this is the. DILEMMA i
think that there are so many levels of fandom and
trying to figure out who your favorites. Are Because denzel
was born In New, york we see him At laker
(37:58):
games AND i just find out this week that he
was A cowboys. Fan i've seen him His wikipedia PICTURE
i think has him been A yankees. Cap so there's
a lot of top level teams. There BUT i want
to talk about bandwagon and His Denzel washington possibly bandwagon
because he started liking The cowboys when they were Winning Super.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Bowl, absolutely where has this information been for? Years you
were born In New york in the, sixties you were
a young, kid and The giants have been Around New.
York giants have been around a long, time.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Right, yes, yeah like he had at no longer even.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Right like he had a team to follow and root.
For but you now in twenty twenty, five want to
mention that you've been A cowboys fan since the? Sixties
all gay?
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Themself, YEAH i JUST i didn't like that's. CUTE i
couldn't buy. It there's things that you, say like some
sports fans will try to justify their fandom and give
a reason. WHY i don't think you necessarily always have
to do. SO i have random, teams couple of random,
teams teams that mean the most to. Me i've liked
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those teams most of my. Life and WHEN i say,
most it's because at two and, THREE i didn't know
who The Seattle seahawks were at that. Point but WHEN
i was seven and got to meet The, seahawks Meet
seahawks players in nineteen eighty, four changed my. Perspective and
WHEN i people ask, me, like you grew up In,
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wisconsin you're a how are you not A packers? Fan
AND i, SAY i got to meet the team because
their quarterback at the time was From. Wisconsin family friend
knew my mom a friend of the family and got
us tickets to the game In milwaukee and we got
to see The seahawks meet The seahawks. Afterwards from then,
on it's all it's been at the about The. Seahawks
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that's the furthest thing From vandwagon because The seahawks weren't actually, good,
good good up Until Mike homgren took them, over and
then The pete carroll eras when they took Off. Monci
so there's a lot of different like ways about, this
but in my specific, instance as being A seahawks fan
for so, LONG i look at people's fandoms all the,
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time and so like when you're talking About, denzel, like all,
right if you liked them when they were, winning is
that bandwagon even if they've been miserable for thirty.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Years, yes that was a bandwagon. Move AND i feel
like there's nothing wrong with, that but it is just
puts into perspective of when you became that. FAN i
grew up being A clippers, Fan LIKE i was not
allowed to root for anybody else besides The, clippers, right
and so whenever somebody's, like oh, Yeah i'm A clippers,
fan you, know it's, like all, right what jersey do you?
(40:37):
Have Kawhi, leonard that's not you jumped on the. Bandwagon
that's not a Real clipper. Fan and we have a
lot of. Those but it's like you weren't there When
elton brand was there Or Quentin richardson or you, know
like that's WHAT i remember back in my day and.
Nowadays like a team that's perfect is when you meet
someone and they're, Like i'm A chiefs. Fan i'm, like, yeah,
(40:57):
okay since when five years? Ago yeah, Okay. Yeah there's
few teams where it's like you definitely probably jumped on the.
BANDWAGON i have a, Friend, jacob who is From, missouri
From Kansas, city and so WHEN i found out he
was A chiefs fan because he lives, HERE i was,
like and he's, like, No i'm from. There i've been
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one my whole. Life half of these people are. BANDWAGONERS
i jumped on The chiefs ever since we started. Winning
there's certain teams that they.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Have A, YES i understand that The chiefs fandom can take,
off AND i think there's a lot of young fans
that Are chiefs fans right. Now Taylor swift is probably
bringing in a whole new audience of. Fans there was
a guy that lived in an apartment complex that we lived,
in probably a decade or so, ago and he was
(41:46):
A chiefs fan where he had the license PLATE. Frameka
So i'm like all, right and THEN i would see
him on Certain sundays he'd be in His chief's. Gear
BUT i can't say THAT i personally knew or saw
A chiefs fan and they were kind of, good, yeah,
right like it Was Alex smith. Good this is before
The mahomes, Takeoff so there's that portion of. It you're
(42:07):
much more harder On denzel THAN i, am BECAUSE i
do think if you're still sticking with them through thirty
years of, sorrow that there's got to be some equity
built into.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
THAT i GUESS i just don't believe that he's been
dealing with sorrow for thirty. YEARS i feel like he
was a fan and then stopped being a, fan and
now he's back on being a fan and wants to
talk about how crappy his team. Is BUT i feel
like there was a year's, Right like you weren't even
thinking about The, cowboys, right you know that's not like you,
said we would have seen pictures on social media or.
(42:42):
Something this is the first time we've heard of.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
This isaac Lohncrodez, Here Chris, Purfett Jason stewart all hanging out,
again your phone calls eight, seven, seven nine nine On?
Fox where do you weigh? In and Is Denzel washington
A bandwagon? Fan if he started to like The cowboys
when they were. WINNING i just don't believe it's. STORY
i think it's easy to SAY i was a fan
of the. Sixties there would be no reason for him
to be a fan at that. Point they were just
(43:05):
new to the. League it just that doesn't make sense
unless there was a. REASON i think he became a
fan of the, seventies which helps his argument if he
says that he's a fan from the. Sixties Jason stewart
bandwagon is the. Topic, yeah, no, no that was WHERE
i was going to.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Go SO i always equate like the invent of, television
or at least how when TVs were like mass consumed
with the nineteen sixty presidential, debate remember The Nixon kennedy
thing all. That so TVs weren't really around in a
mass consumption way in the, sixties so the only way
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to follow your team was like to go down and
watch them down the, street or follow them in the
local paper LEG i just don't think you got a
lot of people. THAT i don't think you had a
lot Of Dan byer's in the sixties and before that
were diehard fans of teams and other cities far. Away
so it just doesn't jive with. ME i don't believe.
That in the seventies is when they started Becoming america's, team,
(44:05):
right that was an easy bandwagon to jump with.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
Us, Yeah, yeah it was. Yeah and that's WHY i
think that he became a he became a. FAN aasa
Glowing CROSS.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
A great anecdote and a true anecdote about this topic of.
Conversation in nineteen eighty, Eight Wayne, gretzky the most dominant
player in hockey, history was traded from The Edmonton oilers
at the peak of his, career forced down the cups
in five, years to the then Lowly La, kings and
it took Hockey. Hollywood it resulted in a whole new
(44:35):
era of popularity for THE. Nhl but despite, that there
was a sizeable group Of kings fans who were loyal
to the team for many years, that believe it or,
not actively resented them Acquiring Wayne gretzky and resented the
new fans coming in who they considered as bandwagon. Fans
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i'm talking about a, small already breed of fans who
have been loyal to a team that was kind of
at the bottom of the standings for, many many. Years
it's shocking for me to even say that that's, true
but it was. True they resented the, trade and they
resented all these new fans that were showing up and
spoiling their you, know little.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
Experience it's people who don't want their favorite bands to become.
Popular that's such a real.
Speaker 6 (45:22):
Thing, yes that is such a real thing.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
Because they love the music so much and maybe it's
so personal to. Them true.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
STORY i went to A metallica concert in nineteen ninety,
one ninety one at The forum and As Enter sandman
was played as to start the, concert Two hessian guys
in front of me that were smoking pot looked at
each other and, said this is the. Song this is
when it all. Changed in other, words they were fans
of the album's previous they were the real. Fans But
(45:50):
Enter sandman gave us all of.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
This, no, absolutely like there's there's no. DOUBT i know
people the same thing of That Black aulum. Was, yeah
that was the line in the sand for. Them tony's
In vegas wanting to talk about. Bandwagons, Tony welcome To
Fox Sports.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
Radio oh how y'all doing?
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Great? Tony how are you?
Speaker 11 (46:12):
Good? GOOD i want to tell. Y'all y'all a one
thousand percent. WRONG i can tell you guys are Not
denzel fans because everybody who Are denzel, fans like myself
know he's From Mount, Vernon New, york and he's synonymous
with The knicks and The yankees and The Dallas. Cowboys
it's just that because of the, movies especially the movie
(46:34):
he played, in uh With when With Ray, allen he's
connected to. Basketball, now if you're talking about him being
A lakers, fan because he lives IN la and got
houses IN. La he's more of A vandwagon fan fan
to The, lakers but not to The. Cowboys and if
you heard his, story he said he was A cowboys fan.
Speaker 8 (46:56):
Because of his father and.
Speaker 11 (46:58):
Grass that's why he said sixteen not.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Sixties hold, On, Tony. Tony we Lost. TONY i had
to ask. Him so he said he's been a fan
since his the sixties or what was the?
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Difference, yeah, yeah the, sixties not. Sixty no, week we
said that the sixties not his.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Age here this is AND i. LISTEN i got this
From Denzel's wikipedia. Page whether it was was true he
had looked At Texas tech or thought about going To
Texas tech at one point because the high school that
he was in was also called The Red. Raiders now
(47:40):
that is something THAT i think any kid can. UNDERSTAND
i was enamored with The university Of georgia for a
time WHEN i was a kid because they had the
same exact helmet that The packers, had but it was
a different. Color like it was such a it was
such a mind bleep for a kid that's eight years
(48:01):
old that, like you, know you just didn't you didn't, understand,
like how could, that you, know how could that? Happen
the quote From wikipedia, SAYS i grew up in the
boys club In, Mountain vernon and we were The Red.
Raiders so WHEN i was in high, SCHOOL i wanted
to go To Texas tech And lubbock because they were
called The Red raiders in their uniforms look like. Ours
that to me is more of a reason and why
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you would be A Texas tech fan than you would
be A cowboys. Fan Now i'm not A denzel, fan
But i'll say this To tony's point that may work against,
him even though he says we're. Wrong what a nice
life to be A.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yankees cowboys And knicks fan in the nineteen. Seventies the
nineteen seventies were the last time The knicks are actually
good and were at the darn and winning a, Championship
so like those are all convenient to that. POINT i
actually thought he was A lakers, fan But i'm not
THE i don't know everything About, denzel but this is
part of the. Argument AND i don't necessarily think he's
(48:57):
bandwagon for The cowboys because he's stuck with them for thirty.
YEARS i just think he got on the train when
the going was good and just never has gotten off.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
Totally AND i agree with, you AND i, Mean tony
made up a point where it's like he the bandwagon of
The lakers is also still a. Thing we're just mentioning
The cowboys right. Now but, yeah he's IN, la so
you could say he's now A laker. Bandwagoner BUT i
it just like you, said how, convenient how convenient for your.
Speaker 5 (49:28):
Fandom there are people of my age whose favorite teams
are the forty Nine, ers The No, Offense Rich, davis The,
braves all these teams at the time that were winning
championships when you're thirteen years, old or winning teams at that,
time and they all Just i'm A i'm A, Braves,
Niners bulls, Fan, like oh, wow childhood must have. Stunk
(49:51):
you have no, Idea you have no idea what it
was like to going to school Every monday in Late
november After Ohio state lost To michigan and my friends
Weren't michigan. Fans they don't, care they just. Weren't they
laughed at me because The buck guys lost another big
game and that happened over and. Over roger In vegas Talking. Bandwagons,
Roger welcome To Fox Sports.
Speaker 8 (50:13):
Radio, hey hello to, everyone AND i want to talk About.
Denzel i'm not A cowboys, fan but if you go
back to the era When Tom landrew was the, coach
they were in THE Nfc championship game like seventeen out
of twenty one, years AND i know that created a
tremendous amount Of cowboys Fan so that was just my you,
(50:35):
know thought on, uh what you, said he's a. Badger
there was a ton of. People and again go back To,
wintar that's the era That, denzel like myself would have
been a, younger you, Know EASi lee And Florence. Stamp
you see him in the championship game all the time
and having winning records for twenty plus. Years, yeah they
(50:56):
do a lot of. Fans so that's my take on.
THAT i just wanted to share that With.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
ROGER i appreciate it because there's The cowboys And denzel
weren't the reason THAT i thought of, this BECAUSE i
mentioned This tomasi earlier this, week and like when we
get together For kivino And, rich we have to talk about.
This i've thought about this about two specific, teams and
one of them is in THE, nfl but the one
(51:21):
THAT i thought about at the most is The Chicago
bulls more because of my age AND i have, SAID
i have respect a lot of respect For bulls fans
that are Still bulls fans today because it hasn't been.
Good aside from a Little Derek rose run in, there
(51:42):
it's been. AWFUL. Raf so if you're still A bulls
fan and chearing for The bulls, today, congratulations round of
applause to. You even though in the nineteen nineties you
had your way with, everyone at least you stuck with
them and did not veer. Off but ultimately it feels
like there were so Many bulls. FANS i was one
(52:03):
of the few people that didn't Like Michael. JORDAN i
wanted The bulls to. LOSE i wanted The sonics to beat.
THEM i wanted The suns to be Fan YES i did.
NOT i was not A jordan. Fan but at some
point you just kind of are, like all, right you,
know it is what it. Is they're gonna win. Again
but that those fans that were Always bulls fans are you?
(52:24):
Today AND i think that there's a test to. That
the other, one To roger's point of the success of The.
Cowboys i've thought that about The. Steelers how Many steelers
fans do we know that are our? Age and it's
because not your, Age, manzi you're. Younger but The steelers
were winning Those Super bowls in the nineteen, seventies so
you obviously liked. Them and now they have such a
huge fan base now like are you are you still a?
(52:47):
Fan are you? Bandwagon The steelers have had, success so
they've kept their FANS i guess well. Fed but if
you're A bulls, fan and even in this, case if
You're denzel and you're still sticking by The, COWBOYS i
actually don't think that you're bandwagon because you've been with
him that. LONG i think that his argument is trying
to fit his reason and trying to show how long
(53:08):
he's been a, Fan but it just begs the question
of if you started when they were, winning do you
think that they're bandwagon if they haven't won in a?
Speaker 6 (53:15):
While, WELL i think, right if you were a bandwagoner
at one point doesn't mean you still are like The.
Bulls like if you jumped on that bandwagon During Michael
jordan's prime and you're still, there Then i'm going to
say you're no longer a, bandwagoner but that's how your fandom,
started because there is a way where you were, that
(53:35):
but now you stuck by it for whatever. Reason, Yeah
bulls have had a, rough rough couple of years without much.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Success it's been a while for.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
Me, yes and even just like making the playoffs and
having like a fun, run they don't even have. That.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
Correct you, know you've Got Billy donovan on a contract
extension now is what you've.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
Got that's literally, it and then a bunch of question
marks around the rest of the.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
Team she's wont. Vollanios I'm dan byr in For cavino
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