BHS - 7A – Hospitals Suing Major Health Insurer | $30MIL LA Heist Unsolved

An ‘impossible situation’: Why California hospitals are suing a major health insurer. Pro-Palestinian encampments and protests are growing at California universities. Weeks after $30MIL LA heist, this historic case remains unsolved. Study finds people think ‘old age’ starts later than it used to.

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to Bill Handle on demandfrom KFI AM six forty gotta before down.
You are listening to the bill Handleshow can fan. This is k
I am a six forty bill handle. Here. It is a humpday,

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Wednesday, April twenty four, andwe are, oh day three of the
Trump trial, and there's a gagorder in place which he is completely ignoring.
And every time they're out for abreak, once again, the mantra
is I've been robbed sounds a lotby Pete Rose. This is I'm being

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persecuted for you. This is unfair. I can't campaign. Crooked Joe is
out there campaigning. And anyway,we'll see what happens later on. I
mean right now, it's what teno'clock and I think the court just started.
Actually, Bill, they're off today. Oh that's right, they are
off today. Wednesdays they're off.So the back tomorrow. Yes, thank

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you for reminding me of that,ladies, and get on with the jury.
Please disregard everything that candle just said. Do not pay attention to it.
As broken as our medical system isin this country, I'm going to
give you another as broken as ourmedical system is, and you've got California

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Hospitals or the Hospital Association in Californiasuing More which has more than four hundred
thousand hospital or four hundred hospitals.They're suing Anthem Blue Cross, and that's
just the start of it violating thestate's patient Protection law, which requires insurers

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to provide healthcare in a timely mannerand engage not engage in unfair business practic
that says, and here is what'sgoing on. It says Anthem refuses to
pay for excess hospital days caused byits own delays. So here's what's happening.
You're in the hospital and you're askingfor the insurance or the hospital is

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calling your insurance carrier and saying,is this person covered? Okay? So
primary care has to be given perlaw, but then you need secondary care.
You have to be transferred to arehab center, you have to be
transferred at home and get some healthcareat home, and the insurance company just

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waits and waits to give coverage.The delays that caused. People actually stay
in the hospital because they can't getthe insurance company to go and okay care
after the hospital, and this causesunbelievable delays and On top of that,
the insurance company refuses to pay forthose extra days. So here you are

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in a hospital, you need somecare, insurance company doesn't answer the phone,
or it takes a long time forthe insurance carrier to say yep,
covered, and you're in a hospitalbed, and that closes up the hospital
bed. It's not open to otherpatients who need it. Waiting times,

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of course for the bed immediately increasesdramatically. I have gone to the emergency
room for various emergencies, back surgery, etc. And I have sat there
waiting for a bed, and Imean twelve hours waiting for a bed because
there wasn't a bed available. Someonewas in the bed. Now that's a

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kaiser that there's no insurance issues.When there is an insurance issue, it
gets crazy because an insurance issue,you're already in the bed, and now
the insurance company has to be contactedfor aftercare. Can we get this person
out? No? Or not goingto tell you if there's coverage or not,

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or we're not going to tell youfor two days or three days.
By the way, the law doesrequire the insurance company to say yay or
nay. But here is the languageof the law in a timely matter.
We're in a timely manner. Whatthe hell is a timely manner? I

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don't know what timely is. Iknow what within three days is? I
know within twenty four hours? Andit wouldn't be hard to do. You
just have enough staff there. Itdoesn't matter two o'clock in the morning,
midnight that they're ready to answer.How long does it take someone to go
up on a computer screen, lookup a name, phone number, etc.

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And say, yeah, there's coverage, go ahead, or there's no
coverage, and of course that personis kicked out immediately and dumped on the
sidewalk across town. Oh yeah,the hospital's got in a lot of trouble
for that one a few years ago. Hey do you expect this to pay?
And in California, someone doesn't havecoverage. All you have to do

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is go to the emergency room andpretend you're really in trouble and they have
to treat you, which is whyhospitals are going broke. But this is
an easy fix. Is there oris there not? Insurance to open up
the beds? How long does thattake? How about this two days?

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And we're talking about thousands of rooms, three billion dollars a year on unneeded
hospitalization, an extended hospitalization because youjust can't I just can't get the insurance
information. Broken system gets even morebroken all the time. Right, some

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of the big news that's going aroundthe country are the pro Palestinian demonstration and
encampments. And here in California,a lot of schools, high schools even
are undergoing these demonstrations in favor ofthe Palestinians, anti Zionists, anti the

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state of Israel, and a lotof people are making that clear and they
should. Even though anti Israeli policy, anti Israel does not necessarily connect to
anti Semitism, the point is itdoes. That line gets crossed, and
it's very blurry. And you've gotstudents, Jewish students who are frightened,

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as I think they should be,because there is enough out there where Jewish
students should be. They're being attackedor they're certainly being harassed and threatened.
So now what's going on? AndI want to talk about a real fundamental
couple of fundamental flaws. One,let's come up with some facts. In
over thirty thousand Palestinians that were killed. Of course, the world doesn't talk

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about how many of them were Hamasmilitants. It's this grand figure. Hamas
doesn't differentiate between militants and civilians.It doesn't, and I think that what
they're doing is perpetrating that. It'sall civilians who were killed, and their
pr is really good. Okay,that's for starters. There is genuine famine

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going on that is happening. Israelis not letting in enough international aid.
It is not. That's a fact, even though Israel says it is.
And it's just that's crap. Thatis truly going on. Israel has the
most right wing, pro war,anti Arab, anti Gaza government it has

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ever had, and the war isgoing on to this extent and this long
because of this government. Could itend sooner? Yes? It could is
going to know, because you haveHamas, which is crazy on one side,
and you have the Israeli government onthe other side that is just going
balls to the wall. So acouple things are going on with a Palestinian

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with the pro Palestinian demonstrations. One, it's all anti israelz Hamas is doing
nothing wrong. It's Israel that issimply perpetrating this war to kill Palestinian Ghazians.
Civilians. That's for starter, ignoringthe fact that it started October seventh

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with the murder massacre of twelve hundredIsraelis and Israel's fear that Hamas, who
has said we are going to dothis over and over again, Israel is
simply saying this is defensive and we'regoing to take out whatever Hamas militants.
And unfortunately, and they're not,oh, I guess they're saying this.

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A lot of collateral damage is happening. Collateral damage in this case, that's
sort of a a word or aphrase that describes some horrific stuff going on,
and that is civilians being killed,kids, women, innocent men being
killed. And a lot of itis because Hamas embeds itself into the civilian

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population. Although I don't know how. We can't because there really are no
open spaces in Gaza and they can'tfind it. They can't fight Israel in
a traditional war or a ground warcan't happen because they'd be slaughtered, they'd
be wiped out, and they don'thave tanks and they don't have an artillery
and the Gaza doesn't have an airforce, so there's no issue. This

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is what they do and so twothings are going on which I have a
real problem with. And you know, I'm biased, but not completely because
I think Israel is dead ass wrongin terms of not allowing humanitarian aid and
not even sitting down with Hamas.But is not even sitting down with Israel.
By the way, Israel has agreedto certain things that Hamas has said

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no. And so let's start withthat. Okay, the argument that this
is genocide, this is not genocide. Israel is not going after the Palestinian
population for the purpose of wiping outthe population. Genocide is what happened during

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World War Two with the Nazis goingafter the Jews to wipe out European jewelry.
Jewry not jewelry. That was thepoint of its genocide. The Armenian
genocide. The Turks went after theArmenian population and wanted and did kill millions

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of them for the purpose of takingout the population. This is not what
Israel's doing. Israel's going after Hamas. It's not out there. Oh,
let's wake up one day. Let'ssee how many civil millions we can kill.
They are attacking places where hamas Isare innocent people being killed. Hell
yes, and the other flaw isthat this is only Israel. Hamas is

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not at fault. It's simply Israelcommitting genocide. I haven't seen one placard
that talks about what Hamas did andits attack on Israel unprovoked, and they're
going to argue, well, itwas provoked by the very nature of Israeli
occupation and how Israel is not lettingnot letting Gaza have its agriculture or certainly

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reports being closed down. And Ithink there's an argument for that. And
the other thing. Not one placardhave I seen telling Hamas return the hostages.
You have two hundred and forty TheIsraelis think one hundred of them are
dead. You have one hundred andforty hostages who are completely innocent grandmothers,

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grandfathers, children, and you're notgoing to return them. You say,
no, oh, we'll return themif you get out of Gaza, if
you allow all the eight in andyou guarantee there is no war, and
if we attack again, you can'tdo anything about it because we have a

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permanent ceasefire. Nobody is mentioning thatit's only stop the genocide. Hey,
guys, it's not genocide. Numberone and number two, did a Hamas
start this year? Why don't youmention that? Why don't and why don't

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you mention that freeing the hostages willhelp? Now for the the Palestinian,
the Hamas argument is, once wefree the hostages, we've got nothing to
negotiate with And look at the governmentin Israel and how do we negotiate with

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them, because there's nothing left tonegotiate so they come in and take us
out. Look at the number ofpeople that are going to be killed just
for the fear of Hamas going inonce again into Israel and murdering its citizens,
which, by the way, Hamasasaid it's going to do. What
do you do with that? Itsaid it's going to do it over and

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over and over again every time itgets an opportunity. Now do I think
it's ever going to happen. No, I think Israel is going to beef
up its security where right now,if you have a Palestinian, a Hamas
Agazian trying to cross the border andviewed as a militant, they get shot
on site, just done. Youknow you're trying to cross the border illegally.

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This is not the US Mexican border, This is the assumption that you
are a militant, and they're usuallyright. You don't see innocent people trying
to cross the border to go intoIsrael for a better economic life. You
don't see that. What you seeare militants, terrorists going across the border

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trying to get into Israel to committhe terrorist crime. You shooting civilians,
blowing them up, going after militarybasis. So there's a lot to be
said. Both sides are very verywrong in certain instances, and both sides
are right in a few instances.Bottom Lin, does Israel have the right

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to defend itself? You tell me, does Israel have the right to want
to take out Hamas, which isdedicated to the destruction of Israel and wiping
out the Jews and its charter,its constitution. What do you do with
that? You don't do anything.You just don't commit genocide, you don't

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go to war, you don't havestarving people. You don't. By the
way, they're right on that one. And not targeting civilians, civilian targets,
apartment buildings, Israel says, we'renot targeting we're going after Hamas.
They just and they're in those buildings, they are in and under the hospitals.
Do we simply let them use thosethat use that facility as headquarters?

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You know, what do you do? Here's the choice, Israel. Let's
it just leaves it alone and themilitants go crazy and Al Shifa Hospital becomes
a military command center, which itwas. Or do you take out the
hospital and civilians die in innocence,suffer horribly. So we'll see what happens

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Easter Sunday. There was a heist. Oh boy, was there a heist?
Thirty million or payday for a groupof burglars so far have alluded to
capture by the Feds. They havenot yet figured it out. And when
you look at what happened, itliterally sounds like looks like something straight out
of Ocean's eleven. When you haveall of that planning and then outgo the

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burglars and they're able to steal millionsand millions of dollars in these really complicated
waves. That's basically what happened.So you've got twenty days since law enforcement
officials were called to the money storagefacility in Silmar. Didn't even know there
was one up there. I guessthey don't have big signs. A lot

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of signage enter here, but there'sbig logo on the outside. And so
far the investigators have remained very tightlipped about what happened, so we don't
have any details, but there aresome new in sites. LA Times went
out or USA Today went out andlooked at this and investigated and questioned and

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asked security experts to dive into thisand at least give some ideas of what
happened. Now it's being described asone of the biggest cash heights in Los
Angeles history. It's the biggest inthe history of the United States. Let's
start with that cash There was anotherone, and I'll explain that one in

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a minute, all right, Sohere's what happened. Easter Sunday. Officers
with the LAPD receive a call forservice four thirty in the morning to the
money storage facility and there was analarm that went off and the company,
Guarded World happens to be a globalcash management and security company which has a

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lot of it's a good reputation.I mean, it's not a schlocky outfit.
It's one of the world's best companiesof its kind, and it stores
cash and lots of cash to beeither transferred to the FEDS or to the
banks and people. Okay, youknow you don't keep cash, lots of
cash at your business. So itgoes into what effectively, effectively is this

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bank vault, but it's a building, so detectives, by the way,
the next day uncover an effort tobreach both the side and the roof of
the building, which were breached.Once inside, the burglars were able to
find and break into a safe wherethe money was stored and not activate the
alarms. Once again this movie script, how do you do it without activating

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the alarms? The missing cash wasn'teven discovered until the next day after Easter
Sunday, and right there there's ahole in the building boarded up with plywood.
Security experts were asked said that thisprobably took months to plan, could
not have succeeded without help from someoneon the inside, either an employee or

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a former employee at guard A World. And here's what they were able to
pull pull off. Separate alarms atthe cash storage facility alerted authorities several times
in the lead up to the tothe heist. Eleven thirty at night March
thirtieth, the night before the heist, a false alarm. Nothing. Another

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three alarms set off Easter Sunday,the day of the heists. One rings
around four thirty am. And didn'tthe cops show up? Because you're not
gonna ignore that nothing there And evenask a neighbor did you notice anything suspicious
around four am? No hours afterthe alarm was triggered. Matter of fact,

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a police car was dispatched, asupervisor was notified, a report was
written, and a LA based securityservices company, Elite, said the false
alarms could have and probably were thecriminals simply testing the system. And I
guess if you do enough, ifyou cry wolf enough times, look what

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happens now. One long term securityconsultant said this appeared to be the result
of a systematic failure. Although thereare a lot of alarms and protective systems,
there's an armored car. Expert securityconsultant said that any money holding facilities
should have two alarm systems, aseisic motion detector right at the safe,

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along with motion to sensors throughout theentire building. I mean redundancy, double
redundancy, triple redundancy, quadruple redundancyfor that kind of money, you don't
just walk in and walk out.Facilities should be protected from top to bottom,
into the sides. I guess whatthey're saying is, no matter how

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smart a group of burglars are,no matter how much inside information you know,
I guess you have to compart menializethat nobody knows. No one person
knows every system unless you have highmanagement. But then again, it's like
the formula for Coca Cola that's ina bank vault in Atlanta. Three people

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on the planet have access to it. That's it, and much the same
can happen here. The largest cashrobbery in US history, and that was
nineteen million dollars nineteen ninety seven.Now the people who did that were eventually
captured years later. Most of thecash was never recovered two years ago,

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one hundred million dollars. This wasin jewels and valuables stolen from a Brinx
Big Rig eighteen wheeler one hundred milliondollars valuables. I would think that an
eighteen wheeler would be easier to breakinto, but as they're transporting I would
think, and I don't know allof it. It was done in the

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dead of night, or it wastrying to be kept under wraps. Hey,
you do it in the daytime,helicopter circling overhead, police cars all
over. If someone takes a gunout and tries to shoot it, you
shoot them down. You stop everythingcold. And I think you can do

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it. But I'm no security expert. And would I steal you know,
thirty million dollars if I could.Hell, yes, there's a lot of
drugs, rock and roll and sexwith thirty million dollars. When is old
old now? I used to say, used to say that old was really

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old when, for example, duringthe Depression, would he hit sixty five?
Social security kicked in and it workedbecause everybody died right after social Security
because you were old, You lasteda few months or a year or two,
and you were dead. That's notnecessarily true. Let me tell you
about the perceptions of old. Thereis a study just published in the journal

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Psychology and Aging, and it talksabout when the perception of old is When
are people old? Well, Imean today, in the last twenty years,
old has changed dramatically, but ithasn't changed that dramatically. Okay.
This was a study done by Stanford, the University of Luxembourg and the University
of Griswald, Germany, and it'sno small study include exam and data from

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fifteen thousand participants, including people livingin Germany born between nineteen eleven and nineteen
seventy four. Okay, fair enough, And they asked eight questions over twenty
five years. I mean this wasan on going study and the earlier people
were born. If someone were bornnineteen eleven and part of the survey and

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they were asked question old actually wasat seventy one, not sixty five seventy
one. So let's say someone wasasked that was born in the seventies,
old age begins at seventy four,not at seventy one. That's it.

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And you would think we used tothink old age was sixty five or old
age was eighty five. You thinknow early eighties is old. Seventies is
not old it has and that's sloweddown by the way, and a couple
of things they found out right,the trend towards postponing old age in general

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is not linear. The research examinedhow individual characteristics, gender, health status
contributed to the differences in perceiving theonset of old age. Women said that
old age started two years later thanmen, which is good news. If

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you're stooping a younger woman, you'renot old for two more years or three
more years. Good for you.People who reported being more lonely and worse
health feeling older said old age actuallybegins earlier as people perceive you. If
you walk around and you say you'reold, you look old. Hey my

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lombargo, Hey, let me tellyou about my bowel movements this morning.
They were great. You're perceived asold if you're bouncing around and your seventy
saying let's run a marathon. I'min great. There are people like that.
I mean, I don't know many, but there are people that are
out there. There are ninety yearolds running marathons. So people who are

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lonely, obviously in worse health,feeling older, saying they're older, well,
they're considered old. And it hasslowed down. It was picking up
pretty rapidly, the perception of whenold starts. And maybe also it has
to do with and I think that'sgoing to change. Look who's running for
president. Joe Biden is running atthe age of eighty. Donald Trump is

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running at the age of seventy seven. Does Trump appear old to you?
Not really? I mean, he'sprobably the most dynamic seventy seven year old
I've ever seen. I mean,the guy is I mean, he's not
young, but he doesn't look likehe's in his late seventies. Joe Biden,

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on the other hand, appears tobe one hundred and thirty, and
he shuffles and he stutters, butthe the stuttering is as a result of
stuttering. He overcame a stuttering problem, so that one's not a question of
old. And he processes more slowlyand he's more thoughtful than is Donald Trump.

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But still you have perceptions. Sowhen is old old? Well,
Neil, are you old? Don't? Yeah? Ill you are? I
don't think you know. What's funnyis I think back on my father passing
in twenty two thousand and one,and he was seventy three, and I

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look back at that, how youngthat is? Now? Did you think
he was old at the time?Well, he looked older. Okay,
he was because he was ill.But you know, I don't feel age
in the slightest. I'm still anidiot. I got a blue beard.
I you know, I'm as stupidas I was when I was twenty.
Of course, you are a lotof us are. My mother died at

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ninety eight. She was old.As a matter of fact, she looks
so much better dead than she didwhen she was alive. I said,
why didn't you do that ten yearsago? Wow, my mom's eighty six
and she still drives and does youknow, hangs out and has a full

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schedule of stuff. A guy whowas ninety came out to Wendy's when we
broadcast last Saturday. Ninety years old. He's taking care of someone who is
ninety two and he still real.Yeah. I mean, my mom is
close to one hundred now. Threeof those years she's been in the ground,
so she probably doesn't look very good. All right. KFI AM six
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