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You're listening to KFI AM six fortythe Bill Handle Show on demand on the
iHeartRadio app. You are listening tothe Bill Handle Show. And this is
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle hereon a Monday morning, May thirteenth.
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Boy, we're getting well into springand summertime coming up. Wow, this
year goes fast. You always saythat every year. Wow, this year
goes fast. So am I evergonna say wow? This year doesn't go
fast? Yeah? Probably when I'mdead. Okay. A couple of things
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going on in this world. Firstof all, a bunch of layoffs teachers
and staff. Why because the federalmoney is going away. And then what's
happening in Gaza, Well, it'sIsrael is just holding firm there. Looks
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like they're attacking Rafa and that isa line crossed in the sand. All
right, let's move over to somelocal if you were in national politics,
this is out of New York.Michael Cohen is up on the stand and
he is the star witness and thehush money trial of president former President Donald
Trump. And he is well probablythe most anticipated witness because the entire case
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rests on him in that he iswho paid Stormy Daniels, the money coming
ostensibly from President Trump, and theissue is did former President Trump know about
it? And you And it's notthe payment for hush money. You're allowed
to do that. That's not illegal. You can pay someone to shut up.
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The issue is the false reporting thatTrump deducted that payment that went to
Michael Cohen, that went to StormyDaniels. That's the accusation because it's simply
an IRS violation, criminal IRS violation, and that it was used to somehow
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influence the election also a violation.So what's the big deal about Michael Cohen.
Well, he's a convicted he's aconvicted perjurer, He's a liar.
It's that simple. So I thinkthe fireworks are not going to do with
a prosecution. It's going to bewith a defense that are going to just
nail him one of those are youlying now or were you lying then?
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Well, we know you were lyingthen why would you why would we not
believe you're lying now? And theprosecution is going to bring all of that
up first. Believe me, anyquestion the defense could bring in the prosecution
will first bring up to somehow tryto anticipate and just get it out of
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the way, so there's no shockerwith the defense saying, oh, you're
a liar. You're a liar.He did four years in jail, by
the way, for perjury, he'sdisbarred, he lied to Congress, he
did three years, sentence to threeyears, and he's going to be basically,
the entire accusation is liar, liar, pants on fire, and we'll
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see what happens on that one.And one of the things is going to
be questioned on you hate Trump,don't you Yes? You want to see
him go to prison, don't youyes? And so therefore you are biased,
yes, and you lied before.Yes. Prosecution is going to ask
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why did you lie before to protectformer President Trump? That's why I lied
because, as he famously said,at one point, he would take a
bullet for the former president. Andso the prosecution is going to have to
differentiate between the lying part and thetruth. The defense is going to argue
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there is no truth to any ofit. On the political side, Donald
Trump has of course ignored that deniedthat he ever got into an affair with
Stormy Daniels. Does anybody believe that? No one believes it. But the
issue is it's baked in. Everybodyknows it. Even his supporters know that
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he does or that he had theaffair. There's almost no issue. But
so you always deny an affair ifyou're married. And a lot of the
religious folks, and I've heard this, we must forgive, we must forgive.
Jesus wants us to forgive. Godwants us to forgive. You have
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to turn the other cheek, whichin his relationship with Stormy Danie, may
mean something else. We don't know. But what we do know is there's
denial. I think no one somehowdoesn't believe that he had the affair,
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and any other candidate, any othercandidate, that campaign would be destroyed.
With Donald Trump, in some strangeway, his conviction and the belief that
he had an affair amongst not onlyhis detractors but his supporters actually in some
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crazy way, may enhance his reputation, may help him because that further goes
to him claiming to be a victimthe deep state, the Justice Department,
all of that, even the state, the DA's, the attorney generals of
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the states, all going after him. And if they're going after him,
as he points it out, they'regoing after you the voters of this country,
they're the enemy. I'm not.And it resonates, Boy, does
it resonate. So we're gonna beclosely following the trial. And you think
we're closely following the trial. Howabout people that are waiting in line.
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You think people wait in line fora Taylor Swift concert. Wait, do
you see what's going on in NewYork? Now? I can't think of
the last time a trial had thiskind of attention. Maybe the OJ trial
where people tried to get into thecourtroom. Oh, boy did they.
The difference was in the OJ trial, judge Edo allowed cameras and it was
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covered wall to wall, bumper tobumper, and we saw everything that was
going on. Not with the OJtrial, the judge said, uh uh,
there will be no cameras up tothe judge except in federal court,
where the cameras are not allowed inat all. So it's become New York's
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biggest exclusive attraction, even for touristswho have seen everything. Look at this
trial. Sex, celebrities, oldboys, celebrities, politics, money,
put it all together and the keyplayers include a porn star Stormy Damn Daniels,
the publisher of the National Inquirer.There's a paper for you. A
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former White House advisor of course,President former President Trump and NOL Michael Cohen,
And people are lining up to goto the trial. Keep in mind,
in the United States, trials areopen. There's no such thing as
a sealed trial unless it has todo with national security and in some cases
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dealing with child molestation when kids themselveshave to testify little ones. Occasionally that
will be sealed by the judge,but very rarely, and in the case
of national security, I mean secrets, someone is accused of selling or giving
away secrets to another power, thosetrials are sealed, and it takes special
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judges, judges who are cleared andmake the decisions. So the judge here
said no, no, there willbe no cameras in the courtroom. So
the only people that are actually inthe courtroom reporters are allowed in, family
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members are allowed in, of course, the staff of both sides, attorneys
are allowed in, and a smallnumber of the public. Because as I
said, all trials are public.Welcome to America, and there are no
such thing as star chambers secret trialsexcept the exceptions that I told you.
And so people are lining up asmany as one hundred New Yorker tourists actually
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line up between a small park anda municipal building in hopes of scoring a
spot on inside the courtroom. Andsome people start lining up the night before.
And there is now a cottage industrywhere people will line up. There's
a company actually that does it.They have people that will line up,
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because where do you find those peopleif you're a tourist, Well, you
hire this company and they'll hire someoneto go there the night before. And
there is a story in the WallStreet Journal about how one woman paid two
hundred and forty five dollars. Ithink that's sort of the going price,
two hundred and forty two hundred andfifty dollars to sit in on the trial.
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And the trial is frankly no bigdeal. You're not actually seeing anything.
You're seeing the backs of everybody's head. You're not seeing former President Trump's
facial expressions. You're seeing the backof his head. The lawyers sort of
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block everything, So you know,why would you go? I guess just
being in there. The best courtroomseats are reserved for those people that I
said Robert Samuel, who is founderof that line standing service, Same old
line dudes. How's that for thename of a company, Same old olle
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line dudes. And they get inline as early as midnight for the next
morning. And according to him,Robert Samuel, the general public gets the
leftovers. Sometimes there's only six oreight seats. There's a retired public to
Jan Detomy, couldn't get in,former public defender, couldn't get in,
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couldn't even get into the room wherethere is a there's a room adjacent to
the courtroom where the trial is shownin on video closed circuit, and there
you get a better view. Andby the way Jan flew in. She
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made a decision to fly in fromSanta Monica to New York in the hopes
of getting to see the trial ofsitting in on the trial. So she
arrived in New York on a Monday. She returned at two forty five am
the following day to get in andshe scored. Now, let me ask
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you, flying in from New Yorkfrom LA to New York, standing in
line from midnight so you can getin the next day, and you're sitting
in a courtroom where you can't seeanything. Is that someone who has a
life, Well, they want tobe part of history. They want to
be there, and that's sort ofyou understand that. One of the things
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that I regret is never having seenthe Beatles when I could have, even
though you couldn't hear them, eventhough the entire concert was twenty minutes or
half an hour. I mean,it's just crazy in those days. But
you had to be there. That'swhy people, I think, are going.
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And there's plenty of people who don'tmake the courtroom cut. The vast
majority don't. If there were onehundred people lined up, and I'm surprised
there are only one hundred, Butthen again, you know, why would
there be a thousand people, Becauseyou don't have a chance past the first
few. Then you know you're outof luck. So it's limited to one
hundred people. So some of themhave that overflow room and they are several
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dozen members of the public can watchthat video feed. So you had a
psychiatrist, Lisa Frapper, who camein from Rhode Island and she was there
in the overflow room. So that'skind of almost there. And the screen
was too small to see the president'sfacial expression. What do you mean he
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scowls? That's it? You know, former President Trump is truly one of
the best scowlers I've ever seen.He has a world class scowl. So
if you want to get on this, good luck, I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't. Amy. Would youstand in line to see this trial?
No, I wouldn't either. Andwould you stand in line? Absolutely
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not, Cono. Would you standin line to see the trial? Yeah,
exactly why why would you do that? If it was on TV,
I might watch it, though,Oh I think I would watch it.
I think did you watch the OJtrial? Oh? Yeah, every minute
as much as possible here. Yeah, and OJ trial, yes, Cono.
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Do you even remember the OJ trial? And that's a legitimate question because
you're not You're not that old.I remember it, but yeah, I
was a kid, so yeah,because I remember it. Uh. And
do you know Lanceto the judge.Every radio station in town sent him a
mug with their logo on it,and every day he would put it on
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his bench and promote The radio stationsdidn't say anything, but there was coast.
Uh, there was. I thinkKFI did it. It was so
weird. That was the strangest trial. Anyway, we'll find out what happens
the trial is probably gonna last anothertwo weeks. All right Over in the
Middle East, is Worthy forces arepushing deep into the northern edge of Gaza,
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northern edge and at the same timeattacking targets in Rafa and telling Palestinians
to move to a safe place outof Raffa, although there is no safe
place. Israel has said that andlaunched attacks in those areas, arguing and
I totally believe that that Hamas,this is Rafa is the last stronghold embed
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themselves. So you can't attack civilians. Well, if you can't at attack
civilians, then you're not attacking Hamas, unfortunately, because that's the way Hamas
works. So dealing with that,you've got the protests going on on college
campuses throughout the country, and thatis this is what students do. And
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so you have these Commendment commencement exercisesand so far they haven't for the most
part, been stopped. What youhave seen, and I have to I'm
pretty impressed, very very peaceful standingup at the beginning of the commencement and
then some of them walking out holdinga Palestinian flag making their point leaving,
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which I think is the way Ithink that's the way to protest peaceful.
You don't ruin other people's lives,like other students who are there, and
you make your point. And whathappened over the weekend is Jerry Seinfeld at
Duke. He was the commencement speaker. As two kids at Duke, I
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didn't know that, and I doknow that he is a very very strong
supporter of Israel, and so inhis speech he didn't mention the protesters at
all, and they stood up andwalked out. A small number made their
point and left. And the otherthing that I am impressed with the protesters.
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I didn't hear much anti Semitism comeout. I don't think Jerry Seinfeld
was a hacked because he is Jewishand a strong supporter of Israel. I
think because he was a commencement speaker, and any commencement speaker would have been
treated exactly the same by the protesters. That I believe. And so it
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is the genocide what's going on withIsrael. It's very nuanced. I mean,
frankly, the protesters, come on, guys, it's a little more
complicated than just genocide. How aboutthe fact that Hamas started this with the
massacre on October seventh. How aboutthe fact that they've taken hundreds of Israeli
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citizens, innocent men, women,and children who had nothing to do with
anything political. You know, I'mnot hearing a call return the hostages among
the protesters, none of them.I'm not hearing a call that a lot
of this was Hamas, None ofit. It's all Israeli fault. It's
all Israel's fault. And Israel well, twelve hundred people were killed or kidnapped
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in the initial October seven attack,and you've got over thirty thousand people,
I think twenty thousand innocents. Asfar as the Hamas militant is concerned,
I'd fine, you're in the you'rebasically in a war. You get killed,
now what? And here is thecomparison that's being made with the Vietnam
War, because the students protested that. To keep this in mind when you
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make a comparison, it took yearsfor the protests to morph where so many
Americans were protesting that it took Americaover the cliff. It went from students
to the average Joe to vast membersof the public, where it ended up
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that Nixon simply had to move andhad to make peace with North Vietnam.
This one is not going to takeyears. No chance, There isn't going
to be a war for years.And so what is going to happen is
the war will end. Hamas willstill stay in power. I don't think
Hamas will ever be able to dowhat they did October seventh. They'll try.
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Their political position is the utter destructionof Israel. But that's the way
it's been ever since Hamas took power. Matter of fact, when Hamas began
as a political and terrorist organization,that's their position, Okay, I mean,
look at Hamas versus the Israeli army, Hamas military versus the Israeli army.
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You think, I don't know whatHamas's thinking was, what did they
expect out of the Israeli army?And I'll tell you what they're doing.
They're backing up the students. CAMASis arguing First Amendment rights Hamas in the
United States and appreciating what the studentsare doing and what are the students doing
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to stop the fighting, Divest theuniversities must divest any financial involvement in any
company that deals with Israel, particularlythe war machine, and go to Palestine.
Go to Gaza today if you havea chance, and interview some of
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those family members whose relatives were killed, people that lost their children, children
that lost their parents because of theattack, and ask them what do you
think of divestiture? What do youthink of what the students are doing?
You think they even know? Youthink they care? So the students,
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you make your point. There willbe no divestiture. They have no influence
whatsoever. And this is gonna peterout. You make your point, I
got it, and you're stopping.The goodness is you're not stopping commencement.
You're making your point. Okay,Mansel tough, congratulations. Advertising dollars and
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how they're spent. Are you stunnedthat every Super Bowl you're looking at commercials
costing five million, five and ahalf million dollars per thirty seconds for advertisers
and they sell out. You've gotto grab them really early. How can
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they be that expensive? Well overone hundred million people are watching the Super
Bowl and watching for commercials, andit makes sense. So let me tell
you about a company, Mondoleez.They make Oreo cookies. All right,
didn't spend a dime on advertising onTV this year? Or will simple reason,
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because the people is trying to reachgen Z members, multicultural audience's household
with children aren't watching TV anymore.The global senior vice president, Consumer Experience,
that's interesting, Consumer Experience vice president, why not, there's no single
show that has a big enough audience, friends, Seinfeld did not anymore And
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going to streamers like Netflix aren't perfectalternative? Why well, because it's brand
new to charge for commercials and people, well, they're just not jumping on
too much. They charge too much, you don't reach enough people. So
the folks of Ritz and Sour PatchKids Ritz Crackers spending about fifteen percent of
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their budget on TV this year.That's it. Three years ago was forty
two percent, and they're spending anadditional amount of nine percent more to go
to streaming. So to promote thenew Oreo Space Dunk sure, why not?
Mindel has turned to social media Instagram, TikTok, also advertising buying banner
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ads on Amazon, Walmart, andall of this has changed. Critical mass
has hit. Television advertising is nowon its way down. Same thing with
radio advertising. People just well,let me give you an idea. Streaming
versus broadcast. More people listen tothis show and other shows on KFI and
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other radio stations, streaming streaming ondevices than listen to the radio. Right
now, man has life changed,so people aren't spending as much money Hershey,
their share of advertising dollars on TVwent to thirty percent from eighty percent
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five years ago. And the onlyreason that politicals spend as much money as
they do is they buy everything whenthere is a tight race, when there
is a battle ground issue, itis unlimited dollars that are spent. But
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advertisers, commercial advertisers, nope.TV, particularly TV, is on its
way down. In nineteen eighty three, I was very, very lucky to
have a sixty minute segment, orto appear on a sixty minute segment,
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and that was when there were onlythree networks. Thirty five million Americans were
watching that program, and that wasthe average Sunday night, seven o'clock.
And I often tell people who wantto go on to their own students at
college and on at the law schoollevel. When I used to talk speak
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to them and they go, whatdo you do to start your own practice,
I'd say, get a segment onsixty minutes. That helps enormously.
Today I wouldn't even say that,get a good, good social social media
program campaign. That's where you're goingto get business. The world has changed
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completely. Live sports still works,by the way, just to let you
know, because live sports is livesports, but the rest of it doesn't
really matter. Super Bowl, Yeah, five and a half million per commercial?
Is it? I think it is. I think it was that it
kiss six million. I think it'salmost five million dollars for thirty seconds.
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And the reason that people watch fourcommercials is so many major commercials are introduced
on the Super Bowl because when youthink about it, if you're spending five
million dollars per thirty seconds, thecost of producing the best commercial in the
world is just a fraction of whatit costs Amy. Yeah, it's seven
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million. Oh it's seven million fortwenty twenty four, jeez, Louise.
And it's worth money. It's worthit. It pans out for them.
I often think I'd love to spendmy entire retirement fund to be able to
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reach one hundred million, to reachone hundred million people. Of course,
I can only afford Bill Handle.I would do that, No, I
wouldn't. This is KFI AM sixforty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app you've
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You're listening to KFI AM six fortythe Bill Handle Show on demand on the
iHeartRadio app. You are listening tothe Bill Handle Show. And this is
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle hereon a Monday morning, May thirteenth.
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Boy, we're getting well into springand summertime coming up. Wow, this
year goes fast. You always saythat every year. Wow, this year
goes fast. So am I evergonna say wow? This year doesn't go
fast? Yeah? Probably when I'mdead. Okay. A couple of things
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going on in this world. Firstof all, a bunch of layoffs teachers
and staff. Why because the federalmoney is going away. And then what's
happening in Gaza, Well, it'sIsrael is just holding firm there. Looks
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like they're attacking Rafa and that isa line crossed in the sand. All
right, let's move over to somelocal if you were in national politics,
this is out of New York.Michael Cohen is up on the stand and
he is the star witness and thehush money trial of president former President Donald
Trump. And he is well probablythe most anticipated witness because the entire case
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rests on him in that he iswho paid Stormy Daniels, the money coming
ostensibly from President Trump, and theissue is did former President Trump know about
it? And you And it's notthe payment for hush money. You're allowed
to do that. That's not illegal. You can pay someone to shut up.
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The issue is the false reporting thatTrump deducted that payment that went to
Michael Cohen, that went to StormyDaniels. That's the accusation because it's simply
an IRS violation, criminal IRS violation, and that it was used to somehow
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influence the election also a violation.So what's the big deal about Michael Cohen.
Well, he's a convicted he's aconvicted perjurer, He's a liar.
It's that simple. So I thinkthe fireworks are not going to do with
a prosecution. It's going to bewith a defense that are going to just
nail him one of those are youlying now or were you lying then?
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Well, we know you were lyingthen why would you why would we not
believe you're lying now? And theprosecution is going to bring all of that
up first. Believe me, anyquestion the defense could bring in the prosecution
will first bring up to somehow tryto anticipate and just get it out of
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the way, so there's no shockerwith the defense saying, oh, you're
a liar. You're a liar.He did four years in jail, by
the way, for perjury, he'sdisbarred, he lied to Congress, he
did three years, sentence to threeyears, and he's going to be basically,
the entire accusation is liar, liar, pants on fire, and we'll
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see what happens on that one.And one of the things is going to
be questioned on you hate Trump,don't you Yes? You want to see
him go to prison, don't youyes? And so therefore you are biased,
yes, and you lied before.Yes. Prosecution is going to ask
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why did you lie before to protectformer President Trump? That's why I lied
because, as he famously said,at one point, he would take a
bullet for the former president. Andso the prosecution is going to have to
differentiate between the lying part and thetruth. The defense is going to argue
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there is no truth to any ofit. On the political side, Donald
Trump has of course ignored that deniedthat he ever got into an affair with
Stormy Daniels. Does anybody believe that? No one believes it. But the
issue is it's baked in. Everybodyknows it. Even his supporters know that
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he does or that he had theaffair. There's almost no issue. But
so you always deny an affair ifyou're married. And a lot of the
religious folks, and I've heard this, we must forgive, we must forgive.
Jesus wants us to forgive. Godwants us to forgive. You have
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to turn the other cheek, whichin his relationship with Stormy Danie, may
mean something else. We don't know. But what we do know is there's
denial. I think no one somehowdoesn't believe that he had the affair,
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and any other candidate, any othercandidate, that campaign would be destroyed.
With Donald Trump, in some strangeway, his conviction and the belief that
he had an affair amongst not onlyhis detractors but his supporters actually in some
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crazy way, may enhance his reputation, may help him because that further goes
to him claiming to be a victimthe deep state, the Justice Department,
all of that, even the state, the DA's, the attorney generals of
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the states, all going after him. And if they're going after him,
as he points it out, they'regoing after you the voters of this country,
they're the enemy. I'm not.And it resonates, Boy, does
it resonate. So we're gonna beclosely following the trial. And you think
we're closely following the trial. Howabout people that are waiting in line.
(06:24):
You think people wait in line fora Taylor Swift concert. Wait, do
you see what's going on in NewYork? Now? I can't think of
the last time a trial had thiskind of attention. Maybe the OJ trial
where people tried to get into thecourtroom. Oh, boy did they.
The difference was in the OJ trial, judge Edo allowed cameras and it was
(06:48):
covered wall to wall, bumper tobumper, and we saw everything that was
going on. Not with the OJtrial, the judge said, uh uh,
there will be no cameras up tothe judge except in federal court,
where the cameras are not allowed inat all. So it's become New York's
(07:09):
biggest exclusive attraction, even for touristswho have seen everything. Look at this
trial. Sex, celebrities, oldboys, celebrities, politics, money,
put it all together and the keyplayers include a porn star Stormy Damn Daniels,
the publisher of the National Inquirer.There's a paper for you. A
(07:33):
former White House advisor of course,President former President Trump and NOL Michael Cohen,
And people are lining up to goto the trial. Keep in mind,
in the United States, trials areopen. There's no such thing as
a sealed trial unless it has todo with national security and in some cases
(07:58):
dealing with child molestation when kids themselveshave to testify little ones. Occasionally that
will be sealed by the judge,but very rarely, and in the case
of national security, I mean secrets, someone is accused of selling or giving
away secrets to another power, thosetrials are sealed, and it takes special
(08:22):
judges, judges who are cleared andmake the decisions. So the judge here
said no, no, there willbe no cameras in the courtroom. So
the only people that are actually inthe courtroom reporters are allowed in, family
(08:43):
members are allowed in, of course, the staff of both sides, attorneys
are allowed in, and a smallnumber of the public. Because as I
said, all trials are public.Welcome to America, and there are no
such thing as star chambers secret trialsexcept the exceptions that I told you.
And so people are lining up asmany as one hundred New Yorker tourists actually
(09:09):
line up between a small park anda municipal building in hopes of scoring a
spot on inside the courtroom. Andsome people start lining up the night before.
And there is now a cottage industrywhere people will line up. There's
a company actually that does it.They have people that will line up,
(09:33):
because where do you find those peopleif you're a tourist, Well, you
hire this company and they'll hire someoneto go there the night before. And
there is a story in the WallStreet Journal about how one woman paid two
hundred and forty five dollars. Ithink that's sort of the going price,
two hundred and forty two hundred andfifty dollars to sit in on the trial.
(09:54):
And the trial is frankly no bigdeal. You're not actually seeing anything.
You're seeing the backs of everybody's head. You're not seeing former President Trump's
facial expressions. You're seeing the backof his head. The lawyers sort of
(10:15):
block everything, So you know,why would you go? I guess just
being in there. The best courtroomseats are reserved for those people that I
said Robert Samuel, who is founderof that line standing service, Same old
line dudes. How's that for thename of a company, Same old olle
(10:41):
line dudes. And they get inline as early as midnight for the next
morning. And according to him,Robert Samuel, the general public gets the
leftovers. Sometimes there's only six oreight seats. There's a retired public to
Jan Detomy, couldn't get in,former public defender, couldn't get in,
(11:09):
couldn't even get into the room wherethere is a there's a room adjacent to
the courtroom where the trial is shownin on video closed circuit, and there
you get a better view. Andby the way Jan flew in. She
(11:33):
made a decision to fly in fromSanta Monica to New York in the hopes
of getting to see the trial ofsitting in on the trial. So she
arrived in New York on a Monday. She returned at two forty five am
the following day to get in andshe scored. Now, let me ask
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you, flying in from New Yorkfrom LA to New York, standing in
line from midnight so you can getin the next day, and you're sitting
in a courtroom where you can't seeanything. Is that someone who has a
life, Well, they want tobe part of history. They want to
be there, and that's sort ofyou understand that. One of the things
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that I regret is never having seenthe Beatles when I could have, even
though you couldn't hear them, eventhough the entire concert was twenty minutes or
half an hour. I mean,it's just crazy in those days. But
you had to be there. That'swhy people, I think, are going.
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And there's plenty of people who don'tmake the courtroom cut. The vast
majority don't. If there were onehundred people lined up, and I'm surprised
there are only one hundred, Butthen again, you know, why would
there be a thousand people, Becauseyou don't have a chance past the first
few. Then you know you're outof luck. So it's limited to one
hundred people. So some of themhave that overflow room and they are several
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dozen members of the public can watchthat video feed. So you had a
psychiatrist, Lisa Frapper, who camein from Rhode Island and she was there
in the overflow room. So that'skind of almost there. And the screen
was too small to see the president'sfacial expression. What do you mean he
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scowls? That's it? You know, former President Trump is truly one of
the best scowlers I've ever seen.He has a world class scowl. So
if you want to get on this, good luck, I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't. Amy. Would youstand in line to see this trial?
No, I wouldn't either. Andwould you stand in line? Absolutely
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not, Cono. Would you standin line to see the trial? Yeah,
exactly why why would you do that? If it was on TV,
I might watch it, though,Oh I think I would watch it.
I think did you watch the OJtrial? Oh? Yeah, every minute
as much as possible here. Yeah, and OJ trial, yes, Cono.
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Do you even remember the OJ trial? And that's a legitimate question because
you're not You're not that old.I remember it, but yeah, I
was a kid, so yeah,because I remember it. Uh. And
do you know Lanceto the judge.Every radio station in town sent him a
mug with their logo on it,and every day he would put it on
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his bench and promote The radio stationsdidn't say anything, but there was coast.
Uh, there was. I thinkKFI did it. It was so
weird. That was the strangest trial. Anyway, we'll find out what happens
the trial is probably gonna last anothertwo weeks. All right Over in the
Middle East, is Worthy forces arepushing deep into the northern edge of Gaza,
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northern edge and at the same timeattacking targets in Rafa and telling Palestinians
to move to a safe place outof Raffa, although there is no safe
place. Israel has said that andlaunched attacks in those areas, arguing and
I totally believe that that Hamas,this is Rafa is the last stronghold embed
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themselves. So you can't attack civilians. Well, if you can't at attack
civilians, then you're not attacking Hamas, unfortunately, because that's the way Hamas
works. So dealing with that,you've got the protests going on on college
campuses throughout the country, and thatis this is what students do. And
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so you have these Commendment commencement exercisesand so far they haven't for the most
part, been stopped. What youhave seen, and I have to I'm
pretty impressed, very very peaceful standingup at the beginning of the commencement and
then some of them walking out holdinga Palestinian flag making their point leaving,
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which I think is the way Ithink that's the way to protest peaceful.
You don't ruin other people's lives,like other students who are there, and
you make your point. And whathappened over the weekend is Jerry Seinfeld at
Duke. He was the commencement speaker. As two kids at Duke, I
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didn't know that, and I doknow that he is a very very strong
supporter of Israel, and so inhis speech he didn't mention the protesters at
all, and they stood up andwalked out. A small number made their
point and left. And the otherthing that I am impressed with the protesters.
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I didn't hear much anti Semitism comeout. I don't think Jerry Seinfeld
was a hacked because he is Jewishand a strong supporter of Israel. I
think because he was a commencement speaker, and any commencement speaker would have been
treated exactly the same by the protesters. That I believe. And so it
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is the genocide what's going on withIsrael. It's very nuanced. I mean,
frankly, the protesters, come on, guys, it's a little more
complicated than just genocide. How aboutthe fact that Hamas started this with the
massacre on October seventh. How aboutthe fact that they've taken hundreds of Israeli
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citizens, innocent men, women,and children who had nothing to do with
anything political. You know, I'mnot hearing a call return the hostages among
the protesters, none of them.I'm not hearing a call that a lot
of this was Hamas, None ofit. It's all Israeli fault. It's
all Israel's fault. And Israel well, twelve hundred people were killed or kidnapped
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in the initial October seven attack,and you've got over thirty thousand people,
I think twenty thousand innocents. Asfar as the Hamas militant is concerned,
I'd fine, you're in the you'rebasically in a war. You get killed,
now what? And here is thecomparison that's being made with the Vietnam
War, because the students protested that. To keep this in mind when you
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make a comparison, it took yearsfor the protests to morph where so many
Americans were protesting that it took Americaover the cliff. It went from students
to the average Joe to vast membersof the public, where it ended up
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that Nixon simply had to move andhad to make peace with North Vietnam.
This one is not going to takeyears. No chance, There isn't going
to be a war for years.And so what is going to happen is
the war will end. Hamas willstill stay in power. I don't think
Hamas will ever be able to dowhat they did October seventh. They'll try.
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Their political position is the utter destructionof Israel. But that's the way
it's been ever since Hamas took power. Matter of fact, when Hamas began
as a political and terrorist organization,that's their position, Okay, I mean,
look at Hamas versus the Israeli army, Hamas military versus the Israeli army.
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You think, I don't know whatHamas's thinking was, what did they
expect out of the Israeli army?And I'll tell you what they're doing.
They're backing up the students. CAMASis arguing First Amendment rights Hamas in the
United States and appreciating what the studentsare doing and what are the students doing
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to stop the fighting, Divest theuniversities must divest any financial involvement in any
company that deals with Israel, particularlythe war machine, and go to Palestine.
Go to Gaza today if you havea chance, and interview some of
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those family members whose relatives were killed, people that lost their children, children
that lost their parents because of theattack, and ask them what do you
think of divestiture? What do youthink of what the students are doing?
You think they even know? Youthink they care? So the students,
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you make your point. There willbe no divestiture. They have no influence
whatsoever. And this is gonna peterout. You make your point, I
got it, and you're stopping.The goodness is you're not stopping commencement.
You're making your point. Okay,Mansel tough, congratulations. Advertising dollars and
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how they're spent. Are you stunnedthat every Super Bowl you're looking at commercials
costing five million, five and ahalf million dollars per thirty seconds for advertisers
and they sell out. You've gotto grab them really early. How can
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they be that expensive? Well overone hundred million people are watching the Super
Bowl and watching for commercials, andit makes sense. So let me tell
you about a company, Mondoleez.They make Oreo cookies. All right,
didn't spend a dime on advertising onTV this year? Or will simple reason,
(22:07):
because the people is trying to reachgen Z members, multicultural audience's household
with children aren't watching TV anymore.The global senior vice president, Consumer Experience,
that's interesting, Consumer Experience vice president, why not, there's no single
show that has a big enough audience, friends, Seinfeld did not anymore And
(22:32):
going to streamers like Netflix aren't perfectalternative? Why well, because it's brand
new to charge for commercials and people, well, they're just not jumping on
too much. They charge too much, you don't reach enough people. So
the folks of Ritz and Sour PatchKids Ritz Crackers spending about fifteen percent of
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their budget on TV this year.That's it. Three years ago was forty
two percent, and they're spending anadditional amount of nine percent more to go
to streaming. So to promote thenew Oreo Space Dunk sure, why not?
Mindel has turned to social media Instagram, TikTok, also advertising buying banner
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ads on Amazon, Walmart, andall of this has changed. Critical mass
has hit. Television advertising is nowon its way down. Same thing with
radio advertising. People just well,let me give you an idea. Streaming
versus broadcast. More people listen tothis show and other shows on KFI and
(23:45):
other radio stations, streaming streaming ondevices than listen to the radio. Right
now, man has life changed,so people aren't spending as much money Hershey,
their share of advertising dollars on TVwent to thirty percent from eighty percent
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five years ago. And the onlyreason that politicals spend as much money as
they do is they buy everything whenthere is a tight race, when there
is a battle ground issue, itis unlimited dollars that are spent. But
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advertisers, commercial advertisers, nope.TV, particularly TV, is on its
way down. In nineteen eighty three, I was very, very lucky to
have a sixty minute segment, orto appear on a sixty minute segment,
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and that was when there were onlythree networks. Thirty five million Americans were
watching that program, and that wasthe average Sunday night, seven o'clock.
And I often tell people who wantto go on to their own students at
college and on at the law schoollevel. When I used to talk speak
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to them and they go, whatdo you do to start your own practice,
I'd say, get a segment onsixty minutes. That helps enormously.
Today I wouldn't even say that,get a good, good social social media
program campaign. That's where you're goingto get business. The world has changed
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completely. Live sports still works,by the way, just to let you
know, because live sports is livesports, but the rest of it doesn't
really matter. Super Bowl, Yeah, five and a half million per commercial?
Is it? I think it is. I think it was that it
kiss six million. I think it'salmost five million dollars for thirty seconds.
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And the reason that people watch fourcommercials is so many major commercials are introduced
on the Super Bowl because when youthink about it, if you're spending five
million dollars per thirty seconds, thecost of producing the best commercial in the
world is just a fraction of whatit costs Amy. Yeah, it's seven
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million. Oh it's seven million fortwenty twenty four, jeez, Louise.
And it's worth money. It's worthit. It pans out for them.
I often think I'd love to spendmy entire retirement fund to be able to
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reach one hundred million, to reachone hundred million people. Of course,
I can only afford Bill Handle.I would do that, No, I
wouldn't. This is KFI AM sixforty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app you've
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