June 25, 2024 • 24 mins
KFI's own Tech Reporter Rich DeMuro joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Tech Tuesday'! Rich talks about Amazon setting July 16 & 17 as Prime Day, record labels suing AI music generators, Wells Fargo firing employees for using mouse moving devices, and the latest cellular speed test rankings. Supreme Court rules against LA woman, husband who was denied Visa because of his tattoos. Californians support term limits for local offices poll finds.
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You're listening to Bill Handle on demandfrom KFI AM six forty. Hey,
good morning everybody. Bill Handle hereon a Tuesday boarding Taco Tuesday, June
twenty five. Rich Demurrow, whois kfi's tech reporter, host of Rich
on Tech Here on KFI Saturdays,eleven am to two pm on Instagram,
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at rich on Tech website, richon Tech Dot tv. Rich New York.
What great place to go, bythe way right now? One hundred
and twelve degrees and one hundred percenthumidity. Enjoy But you just came back,
right I did, And yes itwas a heat wave there. The
day I left was the best weatherday. But you know, it's always
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fun to visit New York and kindof see what the world lives like outside
of Los Angeles. Yeah, it'sa schitz out there. There's nothing like
humidity, I mean yeah, Okay, anyway, I'm sure you loved it
because there's nothing like sweating and takinga shower, going outside and taking a
shower. Okay, enough of theweather. Let's talk about what happened in
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New York. Because you've got,as usual, you to take a vacation.
You're going to do everything you canwith technology, So let's talk about
what happened. Yeah, so acouple things. Number One, I used
the five hundred dollars Pixel eight asmartphone exclusively. Now everyone thinks you got
to spend a lot of money toget a good smartphone, and I'm not
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kidding. This is one of thebest phones you can purchase for such an
inexpensive price. It is the perfectsize, it has amazing software, the
photos nail it every single time.And I use that phone exclusively, Like
I switched my phone number into itfor a week and I had no issues
whatsoever, and I really found myselffalling in love with it. So I
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fully expect this phone to go onsale. It's five hundred dollars retail.
I would aim for a four hundreddollars three point fifty to four hundred and
fifty dollars price tag on this thing. And that's a great phone because Google
is actually supporting it for seven yearswith software updates. So if you're looking
for an inexpensive phone, it's gotall the AI stuff as well. Very
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very impressed. The other thing Idid Bill, which I thought was kind
of cool, is we went tothis attraction called Rise, New York.
Have you been on Soaring at Disney. Yeah, I think Soaring is the
best ride at California Adventures. Ilove great ride. Yeah, so they
have these these things are actually poppingup, like these soaring style rides.
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I think Disney might have had well, I guess back to the future.
It was very similar to it backin the day. But anyway, so
they have one for Times Square orfor New York City in general, and
it's it's called Rise New York andbrought the family. Didn't know what to
expect, and it was really cool. It's like half a museum, So
you walk through this museum that givesyou all the history of New York City
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and at the end you're rewarded witha ride and it's great. And I
didn't never even heard of it.It's been around for a couple of years.
Yeah, describe it is because wetalked about Soaring. Everybody who's been
on it knows instantly what we're talkingabout, but people have not been on
that ride. Describe it. Yeah. So you kind of get strapped into
this I don't know, these chairsin front of a giant screen and these
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you know, you're moving in thesechairs. They move up and down left
and right, but you know,it's not like a roller coaster. It's
just a very easy going ride likeanyone, any age, any kid can
go on it. And the screenkind of it feels like you're soaring through
the world. And so these theseimages typically take you up high and down
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low and in places you wouldn't beable to go, almost like you're flying.
And then they also spray you withlike water once in a while,
like a little sprits of water ifyou're going over the ocean, per se
or some different sense, and soit's a really it's almost like a four
D ride. They also have onein Las Vegas that I covered, and
I'm trying to remember what that oneis called. Let's see Las Vegas.
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Was it Flyover? It was reallyreally neat. Yeah, they're great.
They're a great and you're right withthe sense and the one that I saw,
you know, a bunch of yearsago, and you're going over an
orange grove and the smell of oranges. They got rid of the one that
goes over the landfill. You know, they had a lot of complaints on
that one. So going ahead,the last time I was at Disney California
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Adventure, so they've changed the oneat California Adventure when I don't know if
people remember this, but when CaliforniaAdventure first opened, the sore in was
very California specific, and now it'scalled like sore and over the world.
But the last time I was there, they were doing like a couple of
days or a week of the original, and it was really cool to watch
the original like California only soar andRide. So anyway, my point is,
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if you go to one of thesecities and you know, I know,
it's expensive to like take advantage ofsome of these things. Sometimes the
tickets can get expensive, but definitelylook for promo codes to save you some
money, but take advantage because itreally is kind of neat to see how
this technology is kind of gives youperspective on these places you visit, and
it's also fun and you learn stuffas well. Yeah, and I always
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ask when you say expensive, howexpensive is expensive? Well, I think
the tickets for this one they hostedus full disclosure, but the tickets were
about forty seven dollars for starting Now, obviously tickets range in price. There's
always a promo code, there's alwaysa deal, Okay, And I mean
it's I mean it's forty seven dollarsfor a three minute ride basically, right,
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yes, but the museum is aboutan hour walking, okay, right,
And I'm telling you, I havekids and they brought them and they
loved the museum. It's very handson. They had like Oscar the Grouch
they had to actually build. Theyhad a radio section where you can sit
in a chair and do like aradio show because radio is a big part
of New York's history. They alsohad a late night set so you can
sit there and pretend you're Johnny Carson, which I didn't know started in New
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York before you moved the show toBurbank. Anyway, it was really cool.
One more thing I did that wasalso equally cool. Bill you know
Times Square filled with these digital billboards. Someone had a really smart idea to
say, hey, instead of havingAbercrombie and Fitch and all these different big
companies like Gap and stuff on ourbillboards, why don't we let anyone buy
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fifteen seconds on a billboard. Andso it took me a while, but
this brand new giant billboard lets anyonedownload an app and then all you have
to do is upload a picture putsome text on there, choose the time,
pay forty dollars, and your justvideo billboard will appear. And that's
it. And you're on a billboard. It's only fifteen seconds. It doesn't
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matter. I mean, you cansay a lot in fifteen seconds. I
tried it. It was so cool, bill It was probably one of the
highlights of our trip. I canjust imagine. I'd go, hey,
here's a company you don't want towork for. iHeart and I'll tell you
why. And I can do thatin fifteen seconds. You do it every
day. I know that. Butthat's besides the point. But for forty
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dollars, wow, hey, here'sone and that. When you sent this
over, I'm thinking, what's thisabout? Record labels are suing AI music
generators? What does that mean?Yeah, so there are two. You
know, there are many many AImusic generators, but two very prominent,
Suno and Udeo, and the bigthree record labels with the RIAA have sued
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them for copyright infringement. So Universal, Sony Warner, they all say that
basically, who did you train yourmodels on? Where did you get your
music to train these AI models?Where basically anyone can go to these websites.
Type in whatever kind of song youwant, it will generate that music,
it will generate lyrics, it willeven sing the song for you.
And these music labels say, hmm, some of these songs sound very familiar.
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And they named a whole bunch ofartists. And this is kind of
a big deal because AI is allabout training data. How do you get
the AI to understand and think andwhere's that information coming from. It's become
kind of the biggest issue in theworld right now, at least when it
comes to tech and AI. Andthis is this is kind of a big
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deal because you know, where doesthis come from? They want to get
paid for their music. Yeah,and it makes sense. Like anything else.
Technology is way ahead of the lawin terms of the law dealing with
it. Same thing with ethics,but this is a legal one of it's
actually ethics as well as law.And this is this is so important.
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I mean, this is game changing, this lawsuit if it goes forward and
the companies win. Yeah, Imean, look here here's the best.
And you're obviously much more legal inclinedthan I am. Yes, I'm a
legal maven and I have a vast, vast knowledge of the law. Please
go ahead. These companies, youknow, they argue it's fair use.
And here's here's the thing. Okay, Let's say you grew up listening to
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music, right, like we've allheard music, and then you decide to
become a music artist, right,you want to write your own songs.
Now you are probably influenced by someof the artists you have heard over the
years while you're creating your own music, right, And that's sort of what
their argument is for. These AIcompanies are saying, look, you know,
we're listening to music. Our computersare listening to music, just like
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everyone else out there, and sowhen we create our music, we're not
just pulling that music, but weare understanding what music sounds like, what
a note sounds like, what agood song sounds like, whereas the music
labels say, not so fast,you're just feeding in all of our songs
and popping this stuff out. Yeah, this is one of those where both
sides have a very good argument,and we'll see what the chords have to
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say with this one. This isfascinating, it really is. Any guesses
which way it would go. AndI know it's a legal issue, but
I just want to get your takeon this. I mean, I think
there's an argument, like you said, on both sides. You know,
it's like you can read the internet. You know, if you're a smart
person, you read books and thenyou come up with opinions and thoughts based
on those books. You know,is it I don't know, it's a
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really it is. It is fascinating. Great Wells Fargo firing employees for using
mouse moving devices display that one.I thought this was excellent. Again another
legal thing. So now this isa report that says Wells Fargo fired more
than a dozen employees back in Maybecause they were using these little mouse movers
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or these mouse jigglers. And wesaw a bunch of these things during COVID.
You know, people would work fromhome and they wanted to make it
look like they were working from home. So what do they do. They
got these little things that would movethe mouse ever so slightly so that it
looked like they were working. Andyou know, these big companies are monitoring
what you're doing on your computer athome. You know, they owned the
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laptop, they own the software,and a lot of them are looking at
to make sure you're actually at work. And so this lawsuit this This is
not a lawsuit, but this isjust a report that alleges that these people
were fired because they were using theselittle devices that move their mouse. Uh.
Yeah. And by the way,I think the company, well Fargo,
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is going to prevail on this.First of all, a company can
fire anybody almost for any reason,and it has to be discrimination to somehow
fight that. But yeah, nowmaybe they have to pro and you're talking
about them proving they did that.Yeah, I mean, look, they
probably have some sort of monitoring software. A lot of companies have monitoring software
on the on the laptops that theygive out to employees, and so you
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know, they're well within their meansto say, look, you know you're
jiggling this mouth. Let's see,I'm looking on Amazon. It's about twenty
bucks. Yeah, you can getone for nine bucks. That's crazy.
That's crazy. By the way,that I impressed you with my vast knowledge
of the law. Always, Bill, your show is on right before mine
on Saturdays, and I always learnfrom you. Yeah, I'm you know,
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getting ready for my show. Thereyou go, And well, okay,
another person fooled. Excellent Rich tomorrow. We'll catch you certainly this weekend.
Eleven to two on Saturday, rightafter Handle on the law Instagram,
at rich on Tech website, richon tech dot TV, and of course
he also is a host or reportsfor KTLA. Rich next Tuesday and this
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weekend. Take care see you then. Okay, there's a Supreme Court case
and we're getting all kinds of casesbecause this is the end of June and
this is when Supreme Court hands downvirtually every decision, the big ones.
So this happened on Friday, wherethe Court ruled against an LA woman who
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set our rights were violator after theFEDS refused to allow her husband, Salvadorian
husband, entry into the country inpart because of the way his tattoos were
interpreted. Now that I've never seenbefore, and I don't think court ever
has seen before, Luis A.Sencio Cordero will not be allowed in the
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US. And the main reason isis tattoos and look at those, they're
gang related. A civil rights attorney, Sandra Munez is Asensio's Cordero's wife,
actually a civil rights attorney representing them, said they the federal officials had concluded
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he was a gang member based onthe tattoos. Now, the last time
she was able to live the wifewith her husband was ten years ago.
Because for permission to come into thecountry, you have to do it,
especially to based on a spouse.You have to apply in the country of
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origin and wait for permission to begranted. Much like what happened to my
parents when they came into the USin the mid fifties. It was they
had applied and they had to getthe permission to come in in some paul
of Brazil, not in the UnitedStates. So the couple started the process
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of getting an immigrant visa for himafter they married in twenty ten. He
had been living in the US withoutlegal status that means illegal please, and
had to travel to the consulate andsend Salvador to complete the process. And
so he's there and it's his timeto come up and in front of a
consular official, and the official dietdenied his application and cited a law that
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denies entry to people who could participatein unlawful activity. You know, we're
a little concerned about you. Andwhy Well, because look at your tattoos,
and I believe that they're associated withthe MS thirteen gang. Well,
she immediately sued, saying it violatedher rights to marriage, which by the
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way, is not true. Shecan always get married, recognize the marriage.
They just don't recognize his ability tocome into the country based on his
tattoos. So that one did makea lot of sense. She did say
her husband was never a gang memberand never committed any crime. So let's
look at the tattoos. One wasour Lady of Guadalupe, some were theatrical
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masks, a profile of Zigmund Freud. And the argument is, his lawyer
said, all it does is showhis intellectual interests and Catholic faith. That's
with the argument couple. The court, by the way, ruled six to
three against him right down. I'massuming conservative liberal grounds. Muno's attorney said,
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the court's ruling that there is noright to live with your spouse attending
to the right to marriage is anextraordinarily dangerous and unprecedented of ruling. And
you know, a lower court orthe appeals court actually gave it to them,
and the government appealed. Joe Biden'sDepartment of Justice appealed, saying that
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yep, he's got those tattoos andwe think they are related to gang membership.
Now that gets interesting because Neil you'retatted up pretty good. Not so
much these days. I mean it'sa lot less than back in the day.
Yes, I had a lot,but when you compare it to people
now, oh, okay, I'msorry. Back in the day I had
a lot. Was that well,it seemed like a lot, but now
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not so much. Yeah, Ihave yeah, and I was involved in
that industry for a long time.Actually, all right, And so you
have a tattoo that also can beattributed to MS thirteen. Because we know
that Houdini was no massive gang member. I have no gang tattoos. And
the tattoos you were talking about withthe theater masks, that's commonly the smile
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now, cry later, and thatthose do end up on some gang members.
Yeah, here's the issue. Imean MS thirteen. If you have
the logo of MS thirteen, Ibelieve it's copyrighted, then that's clear you're
either a member, or maybe you'rejust saying I like them, or maybe
you're just saying they're in existence.No one knows. And the government's right
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to say this. And here's theproblem. It's an administrative decision. Administrative
decisions in this case, immigration authoritiesare given huge leeway the courts are very
leary of coming in and overruling this, and the argument is discrimination, and
it really isn't. Their argument is, well, you're getting the way of
our marriage, and the Biden administrationsays, no, we're not. You
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can be marrying with any place youwant. You're just not coming in here
because of our interpretation of the tattoos. Court said government can do that.
Kind of interesting that Biden, theBiden administration went by the way of of
holding, you have tattoos, you'renot coming in And by the way,
I don't know what a gang tattoois other than the name of the gang.
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For example, as you said,the theatrical masks. Yeah, but
I'm sure there's people that aren't inthe cars that have that as well.
Of course, I don't know theywould know more than I would. Sure.
Yeah, how about the heart withthe anchor and mom tattooed on that.
It depends who mom is, Yeah, I've always yeah, but they
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do have there are kinds of tattoosthat law enforcement would know about. Yeah,
certainly, Okay, And so thenthat's the argument that the courts and
law enforcement has a right to lookat. But even those cases, law
enforcement has lost and saying, hey, where's just because a lot of people
have that tattoo doesn't mean if youhave that tattoo you are connected to criminal
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activity. It's a tough one,it really is. Now. I want
to finish it up with a surveythat was just done a pull from UC
Berkeley's Institute of Governmental Studies, andthis had to do with supporting term limits
for local elected offices, including countysupervisors, DA sheriffs, and is it
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going to change at all? Hereis the big issue, and that is
I believe even those politicians who believethere should be term limits would never vote
for term limits because that's their joband they're going to do everything they can
not to be not unelected, butjust to ride out their terms. Now,
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Congress, there are no term limits. There are people in Congress that
are there for thirty thirty five years. As a matter of fact. To
get into leadership in Congress can takeit fifteen to twenty years. I mean
new congress people that are elected aregiven a mop and saying here, you
know, you take care of thatcommittee room and it takes years. Now,
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the state legislature used to do exactlythe same thing. They instituted term
limits tremendous pressure here in California,and it's changed. This is for state
officials. The legislature and the governorhas always had term limits for the most
part, and the legislators have tobe out in twelve years and they can
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do a combination of Assembly and orthe Senate. Used to be you had
a limited number of both houses,and so term limits are interesting. I
totally believe in term limits at thesame time, I don't. For example,
the speaker of the Assembly. Therewere speakers that were around for dozens
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of years. Jesse Unru was thefirst major speaker. He's the one that
professionalized state government. I mean,he is the end all be all.
But yeah, Willie Brown who alsowas therefore years and literally controlled and could
make things move. Today it's verydifferent. What do you do in Congress
when it takes all those years tomove ahead, just to know how it
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all works. That's the argument forno term limits. Now we know the
president has two terms. That wasthe twenty second Amendment. Before that you
could run as often as you wanted. And FDR the only president who's ever
been elected four times, although heonly did three terms in two minutes because
he died right after the election,his fourth election, and so it's sort
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of up in the air. Bothhave arguments. I'll tell you what makes
no sense, and that is whatJoe Biden is doing, or any president
second term. Is he now governingthe United States? He is not.
You know what he's doing. Youknow what he's spending a week doing.
He's camped out of Camp David,preparing for the debate, which is going
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to happen Thursday night. Now,do you really want a president to run
for a second term and spend agood part of the end of the first
term campaigning and raising money and beinga whore and calling contributors, Hey,
I'd really like you to donate ahalf million dollars. I mean, do
you really want that to happen?As much as I dislike Mexico governmentally speaking,
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because the corruption is just rampant acrossMexico, they have a great idea
in terms of term limits. Apresident one term, six years, that's
it. And boyd does that makesense. There's nobody out there, No
president is out there hustling for asecond term. And what a president does
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is elected and that is his orher job. Doesn't that make sense?
And the other thing, when youhave elections where no one knows anybody,
it's a lifetime job. You know. I've talked to Todd Spitzer, who
is just elected DA of Orange Countyor his second term. Now I think
he's running, and I've said,Todd, you're in here for the rest
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of your life. I mean,you've gained a good reputation. Nobody else
is going to run against you withany name recognition, and there are no
term limits. He's going to retirethere now. I happen to think it's
great because I like the work thatTodd does, but it precludes anybody else
running for office. As long asTodd wants that job, and as long
as he does a good job,do we want lifetime jobs for these people
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elected? Jobs up in the air? Up in the air, by the
way, Michael Ramsey district attorney inButte County. He's been there for thirty
six years. Because there are sheriffsand I once did a mention where I
want did a speech at a sheriff'sorganization. There are sheriffs, about half
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of them that don't even have anybodyoppose them. They run unopposed because who's
going to waste time and money?So term limits, yes, term limits,
no, flip a coin. How'sthat for being totally equivocal. Okay,
that's it. We're done, guys. We come back again tomorrow.
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Heather, are you here tomorrow?Or is Amy coming back? Amy will
be back tomorrow okay, and thenyou're gone or Heather's here all next week
when Amy's out. All right,So that starts at five o'clock with wake
up call, and then we comeback. Neil and I are here and
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You're listening to Bill Handle on demandfrom KFI AM six forty. Hey,
good morning everybody. Bill Handle hereon a Tuesday boarding Taco Tuesday, June
twenty five. Rich Demurrow, whois kfi's tech reporter, host of Rich
on Tech Here on KFI Saturdays,eleven am to two pm on Instagram,
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at rich on Tech website, richon Tech Dot tv. Rich New York.
What great place to go, bythe way right now? One hundred
and twelve degrees and one hundred percenthumidity. Enjoy But you just came back,
right I did, And yes itwas a heat wave there. The
day I left was the best weatherday. But you know, it's always
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fun to visit New York and kindof see what the world lives like outside
of Los Angeles. Yeah, it'sa schitz out there. There's nothing like
humidity, I mean yeah, Okay, anyway, I'm sure you loved it
because there's nothing like sweating and takinga shower, going outside and taking a
shower. Okay, enough of theweather. Let's talk about what happened in
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New York. Because you've got,as usual, you to take a vacation.
You're going to do everything you canwith technology, So let's talk about
what happened. Yeah, so acouple things. Number One, I used
the five hundred dollars Pixel eight asmartphone exclusively. Now everyone thinks you got
to spend a lot of money toget a good smartphone, and I'm not
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kidding. This is one of thebest phones you can purchase for such an
inexpensive price. It is the perfectsize, it has amazing software, the
photos nail it every single time.And I use that phone exclusively, Like
I switched my phone number into itfor a week and I had no issues
whatsoever, and I really found myselffalling in love with it. So I
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fully expect this phone to go onsale. It's five hundred dollars retail.
I would aim for a four hundreddollars three point fifty to four hundred and
fifty dollars price tag on this thing. And that's a great phone because Google
is actually supporting it for seven yearswith software updates. So if you're looking
for an inexpensive phone, it's gotall the AI stuff as well. Very
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very impressed. The other thing Idid Bill, which I thought was kind
of cool, is we went tothis attraction called Rise, New York.
Have you been on Soaring at Disney. Yeah, I think Soaring is the
best ride at California Adventures. Ilove great ride. Yeah, so they
have these these things are actually poppingup, like these soaring style rides.
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I think Disney might have had well, I guess back to the future.
It was very similar to it backin the day. But anyway, so
they have one for Times Square orfor New York City in general, and
it's it's called Rise New York andbrought the family. Didn't know what to
expect, and it was really cool. It's like half a museum, So
you walk through this museum that givesyou all the history of New York City
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and at the end you're rewarded witha ride and it's great. And I
didn't never even heard of it.It's been around for a couple of years.
Yeah, describe it is because wetalked about Soaring. Everybody who's been
on it knows instantly what we're talkingabout, but people have not been on
that ride. Describe it. Yeah. So you kind of get strapped into
this I don't know, these chairsin front of a giant screen and these
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you know, you're moving in thesechairs. They move up and down left
and right, but you know,it's not like a roller coaster. It's
just a very easy going ride likeanyone, any age, any kid can
go on it. And the screenkind of it feels like you're soaring through
the world. And so these theseimages typically take you up high and down
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low and in places you wouldn't beable to go, almost like you're flying.
And then they also spray you withlike water once in a while,
like a little sprits of water ifyou're going over the ocean, per se
or some different sense, and soit's a really it's almost like a four
D ride. They also have onein Las Vegas that I covered, and
I'm trying to remember what that oneis called. Let's see Las Vegas.
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Was it Flyover? It was reallyreally neat. Yeah, they're great.
They're a great and you're right withthe sense and the one that I saw,
you know, a bunch of yearsago, and you're going over an
orange grove and the smell of oranges. They got rid of the one that
goes over the landfill. You know, they had a lot of complaints on
that one. So going ahead,the last time I was at Disney California
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Adventure, so they've changed the oneat California Adventure when I don't know if
people remember this, but when CaliforniaAdventure first opened, the sore in was
very California specific, and now it'scalled like sore and over the world.
But the last time I was there, they were doing like a couple of
days or a week of the original, and it was really cool to watch
the original like California only soar andRide. So anyway, my point is,
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if you go to one of thesecities and you know, I know,
it's expensive to like take advantage ofsome of these things. Sometimes the
tickets can get expensive, but definitelylook for promo codes to save you some
money, but take advantage because itreally is kind of neat to see how
this technology is kind of gives youperspective on these places you visit, and
it's also fun and you learn stuffas well. Yeah, and I always
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ask when you say expensive, howexpensive is expensive? Well, I think
the tickets for this one they hostedus full disclosure, but the tickets were
about forty seven dollars for starting Now, obviously tickets range in price. There's
always a promo code, there's alwaysa deal, Okay, And I mean
it's I mean it's forty seven dollarsfor a three minute ride basically, right,
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yes, but the museum is aboutan hour walking, okay, right,
And I'm telling you, I havekids and they brought them and they
loved the museum. It's very handson. They had like Oscar the Grouch
they had to actually build. Theyhad a radio section where you can sit
in a chair and do like aradio show because radio is a big part
of New York's history. They alsohad a late night set so you can
sit there and pretend you're Johnny Carson, which I didn't know started in New
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York before you moved the show toBurbank. Anyway, it was really cool.
One more thing I did that wasalso equally cool. Bill you know
Times Square filled with these digital billboards. Someone had a really smart idea to
say, hey, instead of havingAbercrombie and Fitch and all these different big
companies like Gap and stuff on ourbillboards, why don't we let anyone buy
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fifteen seconds on a billboard. Andso it took me a while, but
this brand new giant billboard lets anyonedownload an app and then all you have
to do is upload a picture putsome text on there, choose the time,
pay forty dollars, and your justvideo billboard will appear. And that's
it. And you're on a billboard. It's only fifteen seconds. It doesn't
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matter. I mean, you cansay a lot in fifteen seconds. I
tried it. It was so cool, bill It was probably one of the
highlights of our trip. I canjust imagine. I'd go, hey,
here's a company you don't want towork for. iHeart and I'll tell you
why. And I can do thatin fifteen seconds. You do it every
day. I know that. Butthat's besides the point. But for forty
(06:55):
dollars, wow, hey, here'sone and that. When you sent this
over, I'm thinking, what's thisabout? Record labels are suing AI music
generators? What does that mean?Yeah, so there are two. You
know, there are many many AImusic generators, but two very prominent,
Suno and Udeo, and the bigthree record labels with the RIAA have sued
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them for copyright infringement. So Universal, Sony Warner, they all say that
basically, who did you train yourmodels on? Where did you get your
music to train these AI models?Where basically anyone can go to these websites.
Type in whatever kind of song youwant, it will generate that music,
it will generate lyrics, it willeven sing the song for you.
And these music labels say, hmm, some of these songs sound very familiar.
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And they named a whole bunch ofartists. And this is kind of
a big deal because AI is allabout training data. How do you get
the AI to understand and think andwhere's that information coming from. It's become
kind of the biggest issue in theworld right now, at least when it
comes to tech and AI. Andthis is this is kind of a big
(08:07):
deal because you know, where doesthis come from? They want to get
paid for their music. Yeah,and it makes sense. Like anything else.
Technology is way ahead of the lawin terms of the law dealing with
it. Same thing with ethics,but this is a legal one of it's
actually ethics as well as law.And this is this is so important.
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I mean, this is game changing, this lawsuit if it goes forward and
the companies win. Yeah, Imean, look here here's the best.
And you're obviously much more legal inclinedthan I am. Yes, I'm a
legal maven and I have a vast, vast knowledge of the law. Please
go ahead. These companies, youknow, they argue it's fair use.
And here's here's the thing. Okay, Let's say you grew up listening to
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music, right, like we've allheard music, and then you decide to
become a music artist, right,you want to write your own songs.
Now you are probably influenced by someof the artists you have heard over the
years while you're creating your own music, right, And that's sort of what
their argument is for. These AIcompanies are saying, look, you know,
we're listening to music. Our computersare listening to music, just like
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everyone else out there, and sowhen we create our music, we're not
just pulling that music, but weare understanding what music sounds like, what
a note sounds like, what agood song sounds like, whereas the music
labels say, not so fast,you're just feeding in all of our songs
and popping this stuff out. Yeah, this is one of those where both
sides have a very good argument,and we'll see what the chords have to
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say with this one. This isfascinating, it really is. Any guesses
which way it would go. AndI know it's a legal issue, but
I just want to get your takeon this. I mean, I think
there's an argument, like you said, on both sides. You know,
it's like you can read the internet. You know, if you're a smart
person, you read books and thenyou come up with opinions and thoughts based
on those books. You know,is it I don't know, it's a
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really it is. It is fascinating. Great Wells Fargo firing employees for using
mouse moving devices display that one.I thought this was excellent. Again another
legal thing. So now this isa report that says Wells Fargo fired more
than a dozen employees back in Maybecause they were using these little mouse movers
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or these mouse jigglers. And wesaw a bunch of these things during COVID.
You know, people would work fromhome and they wanted to make it
look like they were working from home. So what do they do. They
got these little things that would movethe mouse ever so slightly so that it
looked like they were working. Andyou know, these big companies are monitoring
what you're doing on your computer athome. You know, they owned the
(10:43):
laptop, they own the software,and a lot of them are looking at
to make sure you're actually at work. And so this lawsuit this This is
not a lawsuit, but this isjust a report that alleges that these people
were fired because they were using theselittle devices that move their mouse. Uh.
Yeah. And by the way,I think the company, well Fargo,
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is going to prevail on this.First of all, a company can
fire anybody almost for any reason,and it has to be discrimination to somehow
fight that. But yeah, nowmaybe they have to pro and you're talking
about them proving they did that.Yeah, I mean, look, they
probably have some sort of monitoring software. A lot of companies have monitoring software
on the on the laptops that theygive out to employees, and so you
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know, they're well within their meansto say, look, you know you're
jiggling this mouth. Let's see,I'm looking on Amazon. It's about twenty
bucks. Yeah, you can getone for nine bucks. That's crazy.
That's crazy. By the way,that I impressed you with my vast knowledge
of the law. Always, Bill, your show is on right before mine
on Saturdays, and I always learnfrom you. Yeah, I'm you know,
(11:46):
getting ready for my show. Thereyou go, And well, okay,
another person fooled. Excellent Rich tomorrow. We'll catch you certainly this weekend.
Eleven to two on Saturday, rightafter Handle on the law Instagram,
at rich on Tech website, richon tech dot TV, and of course
he also is a host or reportsfor KTLA. Rich next Tuesday and this
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weekend. Take care see you then. Okay, there's a Supreme Court case
and we're getting all kinds of casesbecause this is the end of June and
this is when Supreme Court hands downvirtually every decision, the big ones.
So this happened on Friday, wherethe Court ruled against an LA woman who
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set our rights were violator after theFEDS refused to allow her husband, Salvadorian
husband, entry into the country inpart because of the way his tattoos were
interpreted. Now that I've never seenbefore, and I don't think court ever
has seen before, Luis A.Sencio Cordero will not be allowed in the
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US. And the main reason isis tattoos and look at those, they're
gang related. A civil rights attorney, Sandra Munez is Asensio's Cordero's wife,
actually a civil rights attorney representing them, said they the federal officials had concluded
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he was a gang member based onthe tattoos. Now, the last time
she was able to live the wifewith her husband was ten years ago.
Because for permission to come into thecountry, you have to do it,
especially to based on a spouse.You have to apply in the country of
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origin and wait for permission to begranted. Much like what happened to my
parents when they came into the USin the mid fifties. It was they
had applied and they had to getthe permission to come in in some paul
of Brazil, not in the UnitedStates. So the couple started the process
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of getting an immigrant visa for himafter they married in twenty ten. He
had been living in the US withoutlegal status that means illegal please, and
had to travel to the consulate andsend Salvador to complete the process. And
so he's there and it's his timeto come up and in front of a
consular official, and the official dietdenied his application and cited a law that
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denies entry to people who could participatein unlawful activity. You know, we're
a little concerned about you. Andwhy Well, because look at your tattoos,
and I believe that they're associated withthe MS thirteen gang. Well,
she immediately sued, saying it violatedher rights to marriage, which by the
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way, is not true. Shecan always get married, recognize the marriage.
They just don't recognize his ability tocome into the country based on his
tattoos. So that one did makea lot of sense. She did say
her husband was never a gang memberand never committed any crime. So let's
look at the tattoos. One wasour Lady of Guadalupe, some were theatrical
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masks, a profile of Zigmund Freud. And the argument is, his lawyer
said, all it does is showhis intellectual interests and Catholic faith. That's
with the argument couple. The court, by the way, ruled six to
three against him right down. I'massuming conservative liberal grounds. Muno's attorney said,
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the court's ruling that there is noright to live with your spouse attending
to the right to marriage is anextraordinarily dangerous and unprecedented of ruling. And
you know, a lower court orthe appeals court actually gave it to them,
and the government appealed. Joe Biden'sDepartment of Justice appealed, saying that
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yep, he's got those tattoos andwe think they are related to gang membership.
Now that gets interesting because Neil you'retatted up pretty good. Not so
much these days. I mean it'sa lot less than back in the day.
Yes, I had a lot,but when you compare it to people
now, oh, okay, I'msorry. Back in the day I had
a lot. Was that well,it seemed like a lot, but now
(16:29):
not so much. Yeah, Ihave yeah, and I was involved in
that industry for a long time.Actually, all right, And so you
have a tattoo that also can beattributed to MS thirteen. Because we know
that Houdini was no massive gang member. I have no gang tattoos. And
the tattoos you were talking about withthe theater masks, that's commonly the smile
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now, cry later, and thatthose do end up on some gang members.
Yeah, here's the issue. Imean MS thirteen. If you have
the logo of MS thirteen, Ibelieve it's copyrighted, then that's clear you're
either a member, or maybe you'rejust saying I like them, or maybe
you're just saying they're in existence.No one knows. And the government's right
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to say this. And here's theproblem. It's an administrative decision. Administrative
decisions in this case, immigration authoritiesare given huge leeway the courts are very
leary of coming in and overruling this, and the argument is discrimination, and
it really isn't. Their argument is, well, you're getting the way of
our marriage, and the Biden administrationsays, no, we're not. You
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can be marrying with any place youwant. You're just not coming in here
because of our interpretation of the tattoos. Court said government can do that.
Kind of interesting that Biden, theBiden administration went by the way of of
holding, you have tattoos, you'renot coming in And by the way,
I don't know what a gang tattoois other than the name of the gang.
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For example, as you said,the theatrical masks. Yeah, but
I'm sure there's people that aren't inthe cars that have that as well.
Of course, I don't know theywould know more than I would. Sure.
Yeah, how about the heart withthe anchor and mom tattooed on that.
It depends who mom is, Yeah, I've always yeah, but they
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do have there are kinds of tattoosthat law enforcement would know about. Yeah,
certainly, Okay, And so thenthat's the argument that the courts and
law enforcement has a right to lookat. But even those cases, law
enforcement has lost and saying, hey, where's just because a lot of people
have that tattoo doesn't mean if youhave that tattoo you are connected to criminal
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activity. It's a tough one,it really is. Now. I want
to finish it up with a surveythat was just done a pull from UC
Berkeley's Institute of Governmental Studies, andthis had to do with supporting term limits
for local elected offices, including countysupervisors, DA sheriffs, and is it
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going to change at all? Hereis the big issue, and that is
I believe even those politicians who believethere should be term limits would never vote
for term limits because that's their joband they're going to do everything they can
not to be not unelected, butjust to ride out their terms. Now,
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Congress, there are no term limits. There are people in Congress that
are there for thirty thirty five years. As a matter of fact. To
get into leadership in Congress can takeit fifteen to twenty years. I mean
new congress people that are elected aregiven a mop and saying here, you
know, you take care of thatcommittee room and it takes years. Now,
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the state legislature used to do exactlythe same thing. They instituted term
limits tremendous pressure here in California,and it's changed. This is for state
officials. The legislature and the governorhas always had term limits for the most
part, and the legislators have tobe out in twelve years and they can
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do a combination of Assembly and orthe Senate. Used to be you had
a limited number of both houses,and so term limits are interesting. I
totally believe in term limits at thesame time, I don't. For example,
the speaker of the Assembly. Therewere speakers that were around for dozens
(20:47):
of years. Jesse Unru was thefirst major speaker. He's the one that
professionalized state government. I mean,he is the end all be all.
But yeah, Willie Brown who alsowas therefore years and literally controlled and could
make things move. Today it's verydifferent. What do you do in Congress
when it takes all those years tomove ahead, just to know how it
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all works. That's the argument forno term limits. Now we know the
president has two terms. That wasthe twenty second Amendment. Before that you
could run as often as you wanted. And FDR the only president who's ever
been elected four times, although heonly did three terms in two minutes because
he died right after the election,his fourth election, and so it's sort
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of up in the air. Bothhave arguments. I'll tell you what makes
no sense, and that is whatJoe Biden is doing, or any president
second term. Is he now governingthe United States? He is not.
You know what he's doing. Youknow what he's spending a week doing.
He's camped out of Camp David,preparing for the debate, which is going
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to happen Thursday night. Now,do you really want a president to run
for a second term and spend agood part of the end of the first
term campaigning and raising money and beinga whore and calling contributors, Hey,
I'd really like you to donate ahalf million dollars. I mean, do
you really want that to happen?As much as I dislike Mexico governmentally speaking,
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because the corruption is just rampant acrossMexico, they have a great idea
in terms of term limits. Apresident one term, six years, that's
it. And boyd does that makesense. There's nobody out there, No
president is out there hustling for asecond term. And what a president does
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is elected and that is his orher job. Doesn't that make sense?
And the other thing, when youhave elections where no one knows anybody,
it's a lifetime job. You know. I've talked to Todd Spitzer, who
is just elected DA of Orange Countyor his second term. Now I think
he's running, and I've said,Todd, you're in here for the rest
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of your life. I mean,you've gained a good reputation. Nobody else
is going to run against you withany name recognition, and there are no
term limits. He's going to retirethere now. I happen to think it's
great because I like the work thatTodd does, but it precludes anybody else
running for office. As long asTodd wants that job, and as long
as he does a good job,do we want lifetime jobs for these people
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elected? Jobs up in the air? Up in the air, by the
way, Michael Ramsey district attorney inButte County. He's been there for thirty
six years. Because there are sheriffsand I once did a mention where I
want did a speech at a sheriff'sorganization. There are sheriffs, about half
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of them that don't even have anybodyoppose them. They run unopposed because who's
going to waste time and money?So term limits, yes, term limits,
no, flip a coin. How'sthat for being totally equivocal. Okay,
that's it. We're done, guys. We come back again tomorrow.
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Heather, are you here tomorrow?Or is Amy coming back? Amy will
be back tomorrow okay, and thenyou're gone or Heather's here all next week
when Amy's out. All right,So that starts at five o'clock with wake
up call, and then we comeback. Neil and I are here and
AND's here forever as is Cono kfI am six forty live everywhere on the
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