August 12, 2024 • 26 mins
Behind the movement to turn back the clock on gender roles. The boom in travel spending has slowed. Do They Have a Case’ with Wayne Resnick.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Six forty bill Handle here. It's a Monday morning in
August twelfth. Dodgers are in Milwaukee to take on the
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Care for all of LA. There's a movement afoot and
it is growing and growing, and I'm sure you've seen it.
And it's not just its conservatism, which of course has
grown like crazy over the years, especially since the world
of Donald Trump entered our lives. But this is a
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conservative vision of America. It has gained a lot of momentum.
American culture has swung way too far to the left,
and it should like look like well Americans and American
families to really look like what they did.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
In the fifties.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Women staying home, white picket fence dog named Spot, Dick
and Jane two children.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well that's not the case anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Jd Vance with the childless cat ladies concept, you don't
have kids, there's something wrong with you. And then, more recently,
because he doubled down on that in America's reluctions to
have children. Well, that philosophy is now through politics, social media, churches, households.
I mean, it has really gathered steam and the dichotomy
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is now the polarity has gotten even worse, if that's possible.
A Trump, a former Trump administration appointee, founded the Center
for Baptist Leadership, wants to keep the Southern Baptist Convention
theologically conservative. Does that mean only men can be pastors?
Which makes a lot of sense because women pastors come.
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On nineteen twenty of the worst year in the history
of the United States, women were given the.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Right to vote. How horrific is that?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Huh? Now, I don't think there are too many on
the right that are going to say women should not vote.
But a lot of people on the right endorse believe
in restrictive views of family.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And gender roles. That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Transcender rights, gay rights, reproductive rights, all of that is
in one camp. You cannot be a conservative today and
believe in all conservative values, but believe for example, that
gay people it's okay for gays to get married.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Everybody has to be a lockstep. No one can have
an individual view. It doesn't work anymore on any side.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Of the political spectrum.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
People are hungry for this nostalgia that we think happened.
You know, the good old days were never the good
old days. The good old days were rotten. Right in
the fifties, right, no one had air conditioning. How's that
for the good old days? Your cars lasted two minutes.
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I'll tell you one of the worst things I remember
as a kid my sneakers.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
My shoelaces would break every five minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
There it is, there's good old days. I can describe
perfectly good old days. I couldn't keep shoelaces together for
a month without them breaking.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
When's the last time you had to replace the shoelace
that broke? You don't.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The technology has gotten to the point where shoelaces do
not break.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So let me get this straight. Yeah, not civil rights,
no right for women. No, No, your shoelaces were yes,
Why the fifties weren't the good old days?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That's correct, that's an analogy, though, say that's not all encompassing.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But the point I'm making is you had to look
how long cars lasted the good old days. They weren't.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We're gonna look fifty years from now, it is gonna
be oh, remember the two thousands of the twenty twenties.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Those are the good old days?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And the problem is, and I believe the problem is,
is that the entire issue of transgender reproductive rights.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Look where the states have broken. We got rid of
Roe v.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Wade.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And by the way, there's a legal argument for getting
rid of Roe Vuwaide.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't have a problem with this the legal aspect
when they say, oh my god, it's been around for
fifty years, and therefore as president, Hey, the Supreme Court
has reversed itself many times in history.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Too bad.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know, you had a conservative president that was elected.
Three justices retired or died on his watch. He selects,
he nominates, the Senate confirms, and guess what those are
the rules.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So you had Roe v. Wade being overturned and legitimately
so legally, there's no question about it. Now, I don't
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I happen to believe in reproductive rights, but I can
certainly see the logic the legal argument.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
As a matter of fact, there's more of a legal
argument that Roe v.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wade shouldn't exist under our constitution. But you know, I digress.
The point is it's a very different world. I mean today,
the way we look at gay rights. You know, when
I first started doing surrogacy and my first gay couple
to have children.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Was I think nineteen eighty two. It was a long
time ago when I helped the gay couple I have kids.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Not only that, I have to keep it under the radar,
and I had to say, we have to keep this
really quiet.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You won't admit this. I don't talk about this.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Not only is it going to be a firestorm that
gay men are having children, it will be a firestorm
that gay men are having sex, that gay men are
gay men inherent on to itself, gaiosity should be a crime.
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And I don't think anybody is arguing, even those among
the most conservative argue that homosexuality should be criminal. But
there are plenty of people that argue that homosexual should
not get married, should not have children.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
But why can't this be a combination, like what well,
instead of this looking like turning back the clock, on
gender roles. Why doesn't it look at the nuclear family.
I don't care if it's two men or two women.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well that's not the nuclear family, I think here.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But wait, so one person's stays at.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Home, Now, that's fine and that is not a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Even those that believe in absolute free choice pro choice.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
No one's saying.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That a woman or a man in many cases, well
some cases, shouldn't stay at home. The argument is is
should a woman not go to work because that contradicts
family values. A woman should be at home taking care
of kids, and that belief is gaining more and more
traction now. One of the things that those who believe
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that we don't have enough kids the JD. Van's arguing
childlessness somehow there's something wrong with it. When you're talking
about culturally and economically, that's absolutely true. The world's birth
rate is dropping dramatically, and when you're looking at public policy,
the fewer kids that are born, the more trouble any
society is because you've got old people that have to
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be taken care of and they're living longer, and you've
got fewer people coming into the workforce to support those people.
That is disaster for an economy. So on an economic level,
that makes a lot of sense. But to tell me
that I don't have enough children or I should have children, No,
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I shouldn't have you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
That was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You've had plenty, don't have any more?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, I go, Barbara.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You know, Pamela the other day went up to me
and said, if you had your choice, you really wouldn't
have me, right, I go, Come on, Pamela. You know
I love you, don't you You really wouldn't have me,
would you. Now, Pamela, don't say that. Yeah it's true. Actually,
uh yeah, Now have a burger. All right, We're done.
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I love my daughters, they love me. And my credit cards.
Oh okay. Moving over to something that's kind of fun,
and that's traveling. After the pandemic, I mean, the travel
industry exploded, as you can imagine, and that is now
slowing down for a couple of reasons. First of all,
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it got pretty expensive supply and demand. And second of all,
all the money that we had that was put away,
the stimulus money, the fact you couldn't spend the money,
Well that's gone, and so travel has sort of come
back down to I guess what's considered reasonable levels, and
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people are spending more, and even prices are starting.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
To drop, except airlines.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Even airlines, the prices have dropped at least moderated, but
not among those people that by business class or travel
for example, non stop at a good time, those prices
are still completely astronomical. I am sending my daughter, she's
getting married, and I'm sending her and her boyfriend. Now
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will be your high and I'm giving them a honeymoon trip,
and I am. They're going to do Italy, And let
me tell you how difficult it is to do Italy
on three dollars a day and finding airfare that was
reasonably cheap, they said, gee, can we go direct?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So they have nineteen stops between here and there because
you got to find those bargains out there. And believe me,
they're not going high end at all. It's just more
difficult to fly. It's more difficult to travel, although international
travel is still where Americans want to go.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That adds to it too.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You know, we don't go to the Grand Canyon anymore,
we don't go to Yellowstone National Park. What we do
is we go overseas. So things have changed, and I'll
tell you the part. And I've always said this, and
it's catching on. You know, the business, the travel business
that is getting strong, younger and stronger.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Cruising cruising cruise ships.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
They have always been the best bargain out there, even
though they're a lot price, or it used to be.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean, you can get if you go to a
carnival cruise.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And you're willing to put an inside cabin next to
the elevator and you're willing to take drunk people partying
twenty four hours a day and screaming down the hall.
You can do a week for four hundred dollars and
that includes all the food you can eat. I mean, no,
I don't take carnival cruises, but I've cruised thirty five times.
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It's it's a tremendous bargain. The food is good, you
get as much of as you want.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Them is very high end. You get well.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean the shows, that's all included. You know, the
show tunes, the same gay chorus you know you can't
be straight, and being the chorus on a cruise line,
you know that they actually ask you. That's one of
the few places that it is legal to ask someone
Are you gay or not? And if you are not,
you're not getting the job.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You've been on a cruise Neil, Yes, am I right?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
What about gay men?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah in the chorus, of course I'm right.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I don't remember seeing a car.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh please stop at stop at Of course they are,
but I know I is.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
To have a course, a course of gay men around you.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yes, one singular, That's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You get all the show tunes you want, but you
get some good comedians that are not so blue, and
you get you know, they stay away from politics. But
cruise lines are as. They build more and more of
these ships, and I mean now it's like twelve thousand
people on a ship.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They are truly cities that float.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I remember going on somehow somebody convinced me to go
on a Royal Caribbean, you know, the Caribbean of the
I don't know, continents, whatever the hell it was called.
Like seven thousand people, seven thousand cruisers, not counting the
five people that are board the ship that work there.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It was one of the worst experiences of my life.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It was horrific, but it was a bargain and the
kids got everything they needed, and that was it had
to pay relatively little money as opposed to going out
there people.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's the business that is exploding is cruising.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
As you think of these ships coming online, there's not
enough of them and they don't stop the rest of
the travel industry has dropped pretty dramatically. You know what's
also hurt the travel industry a lot is the California
law that all of.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
The costs have to be on the bill.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You have to know in advance how much your hotel
bill is going to be. And the fact that now
that crap resort fee and the towel fees and whatever
junk fees that they put on there, which can add
thirty percent to your hotel bill, that has the fact
that it's on the bill has actually cost discern discernible costs, which.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Has caused bookings to go down.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We're spending too much money, we're not saving. We're back
to credit cards. We're traveling overseas and cruising has gone crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
What else?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And everything is too crowded, Everything is too crowded. It's
all like a day at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What's the worst day? And Neil you've gone, and Amy
you've gone.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Aren't there days when you literally cannot go from one
land to the other because it's so jammed.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
No, I have only been one time where I laughed
at the crowd where I was like, holy shrud, this
is massive amounts.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
And then recently when I went.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
They have this issue with with the Haunted Mansion because
they're redoing the cues and it was weird and backed up.
But other than that, and I've gone a crap ton. Yeah,
there was only one time WHEREVER went, wow, this this
is a lot of humans in one day.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Amy. Have you ever been in the park when they
shut down entrance coming in because there were too many
people in the crowd in the in the park.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
They did it one time when I think it was
on New Year's Eve, but we were already in, so
it was okay with me.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, of course, okay, sure, why not.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And even when it is super crowded, like Neil said,
you kind of just wonder it's.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, okay, it is. I know, I
like it and I'm not listen. I like this lane,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Okay, let me imagine this, uh, wintertime, February March, five
thousand people in the park.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
No, wait for anything. That's what I had when I
was a kid.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Those days are gone.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
No kidding, those really were the good old days.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
All right, Monday on his twelfth The Olympics are over,
and now all the concentration is right here in LA
because we're gonna have the twenty twenty eight Olympics, and
we are going to have a lot of infrastructure, and
we're gonna have the what the people mover which is
gonna be available to us by the twenty forty eight Olympics.
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It's gonna be very strong, very strong. First day of school.
By the way, LA unified today. And it's getting closer
and closer to a regional war in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
A barrage of rockets fired by a Chispo law into
Israel last night. Don't know where it's gonna go. All right,
real quickly, Wayne, do they have a kate?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
What all of that?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But how are you? I'm good. I'm good. It's all
good news, Wayne. Right, do they have the case?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Amongst other things?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
This case is gonna test your ability to behave yourself?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Oh god, yeah, that's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Well, let's see what happens.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
It's a sweet tale of a guy and a goal
and an ongoing love making relationship, which is tarnished by
the fact that after about a year, she is diagnosed
with ano genital HPV that she got from him. So
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he gave her this, yes, Amy is grimacing, rightly, so
so anyway, no genital, Yeah, you know that's the medical correct,
that is the medical terms.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
There's respiratory hp.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I no, no, it's just the a no part that
I've never heard, so I'm just being curious.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Okay, Yes, so he gives her HPV.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
He gives her HPV down there. She sues him. But
then and here's where we have a case. Maybe she
sends a demand letter to Geico wanting them to pay
out the full million dollar max on his auto insurance
policy because and nobody in this case is arguing this
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point for some reason, that he gave it to her
while they were making love in his car.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Okay. You don't make love in a car, You stoop
in the car.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
They're in the starters.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And as you described this, basically, there's a song about this, right,
what is it?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Making love in all the wrong places?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Cooking that's looking for love.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I knew that it was one of those. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Sorry, once turns it into the insurance company, go I got.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It because of him. He was stooping me in the car.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
In the car, it was a car the wrong place,
and I'm trying to visually figure out what positions they
were in.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But while you're talking, I'm visualizing.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Well, don't distract yourself from the task at hand, which
is this case. So Geico of course says, get.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Out of here.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
That's ridiculous, and a lower court judge said as.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Actually, what happens is Geico goes to a lower court
judge to say, would you please do this declarative, declarative
thing that you do where you just say right now
that we don't have to cover this, and the lower
court says, yeah, you don't have to cover this, and
then these people go to the appeals court. One other
little wrinkle here, they entered into a settlement the guy
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in the gow. Under the law in Missouri where this happened,
you can make a settlement where she agrees she can
only recover from the insurance company and never from him.
So you can see her motivation to have Geico cover
this because she's already agreed she can never get anything
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from the guy. Geico says, get out of here. That's crazy,
she says, Look at the way your policy is written.
It says that you will pay damages when the insured
becomes legally obligated to pay because of number one bodily
injury and number two damage her destruction to property arising
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out of the ownership, maintenance, use of the owned auto.
She says, Look, the bodily injury doesn't have to have
anything to do with the ownership, maintenance, or use of
the car. It happened in the car. It's a bodily injury.
You have to cover it. What say you? And what
do you think? The Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals said to.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Her, I either it is written or it is implicit
in an auto insurance policy. That it has to be
with using the auto as is it intended to be used,
and that is driving it or parking it somehow connected
to the auto. Stooping in the auto is probably not covered,
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is my guess. So they said no, They enjoyed the case,
no question. The court, when they took their coffee break,
certainly talked about this, saying, boy, do I have a
case for you. Wait till you see what came in
front of me today. The Appeals court because and I
don't even know if it is said in the insurance
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policy that it must be connected to the driving or
ownership of the vehicle in a way that cars were
intended's that's my guest. I would even guess that a
non operative car on cinderblocks, that that would it would
not be covered, even though it was part of your
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parking the car.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So I'm saying it's a big no.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I mean, you know that Gal is going to suffer
with her malady without getting paid.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You are correct, Here's what they said.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
If you only look at the way it's worded, she
has a case just to the way they wrote the policy.
But you can't just look at those words. As you said,
it's implied that it is in connection with something about
using the car as you use a car, and that
if you didn't it would mean that if you have
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Geico car insurance and somebody trips in your driveway, they
would have to pay. If you want to read it
the way that she wants to read it, So she,
unfortunately now will get no compensation from anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Right now, I'm envisioning if he is driving the vehicle
and she is injured, for example, does a great impression
of bobbing for apples at a party.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Then I believe that there could be coverage. Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Put on your libel hat.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
So they open a new amphitheater in Charlotte, North Carolina,
and before it actually opens, the people running the amphitheater
hire a company to bring shows to the Amphitheater, and
the first deal that they try to work on is
to bring a band called Big Head Todd and the Monsters,
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which I've heard the name, I have not heard their music.
And apparently that immediately there's friction and there's an argument,
and the guy who runs the Amphitheater says that the
guy from the promotion company doesn't know what he's doing
and is an amateur, and if he's gonna stay with
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that company, then the Amphitheater will not do any more
business with that company, and so publicly, well, he says
it in front of the other people who are involved. Okay,
and sure enough the company says, we can't have you
because they won't do any business with us. We like you,
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You're fine, he's wrong, but he said he won't do
any business with us if you're still involved, because he
thinks you don't know what you're doing, and you're an amateur.
So the guy sues, and he said, you can't call
me an amateur and say that I don't know what
I'm doing, and that's actionable. And he says, that's just
an opinion, that's just my opinion. And also, amateur cannot
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be defamatory because amateur just means you do something, whatever
it is, you do it for pleasure and not for
a profession. So how can the word amateur be defamatory?
And the lower court says, yeah, that's right, get out
of here with your complaint.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But he goes up to in this case.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
A district court in North Carolina, from the state court
to a federal court, and he says, listen saying I
don't know what I'm doing and that I'm an amateur,
there's facts that that those are factual statements that you're
that I am not capable of doing my job. And
he says, no, it's opinion, and what do you say,
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and what do you think?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
The judge said, I think it's actionable because you can
have an opinion, but within that opinion, he is making
a fact that in fact does.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Interfere with his ability. I mean the damage. The causality
is right there. You call me an amateur. Because you
call me an amateur, I lost business, I have been fired.
I can connect the dots and that is beyond just
an opinion. I think I think the line was crossed
and a Now, whether it prevails or not, I don't know,
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because you know, now you have to prove that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They fired him because of that. But it, sir, looks
like it's actionable. What did the court say?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
You know, it's interesting because you not only did you
agree with the court, but the same exact observation, which
is he may think it's an opinion, but within what's
expressed he thinks as an opinion are in fact questions
of facts. Specifically, can this person perform his duties at
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the level expected of someone in his position. That's a
factual question. Absolutely, So, yes, he can move forward.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And you're right.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
He may not be able ultimately to win, but he
gets to have another day in court.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Thank you. Oh I feel good.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Two for two. All right, man, we'll catch you next Monday.
And tomorrow we come back again. Amy wake up call
at five am, Neil and I and we come aboard
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Care for all of LA. There's a movement afoot and
it is growing and growing, and I'm sure you've seen it.
And it's not just its conservatism, which of course has
grown like crazy over the years, especially since the world
of Donald Trump entered our lives. But this is a
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conservative vision of America. It has gained a lot of momentum.
American culture has swung way too far to the left,
and it should like look like well Americans and American
families to really look like what they did.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
In the fifties.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Women staying home, white picket fence dog named Spot, Dick
and Jane two children.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well that's not the case anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Jd Vance with the childless cat ladies concept, you don't
have kids, there's something wrong with you. And then, more recently,
because he doubled down on that in America's reluctions to
have children. Well, that philosophy is now through politics, social media, churches, households.
I mean, it has really gathered steam and the dichotomy
(01:47):
is now the polarity has gotten even worse, if that's possible.
A Trump, a former Trump administration appointee, founded the Center
for Baptist Leadership, wants to keep the Southern Baptist Convention
theologically conservative. Does that mean only men can be pastors?
Which makes a lot of sense because women pastors come.
(02:11):
On nineteen twenty of the worst year in the history
of the United States, women were given the.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Right to vote. How horrific is that?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Huh? Now, I don't think there are too many on
the right that are going to say women should not vote.
But a lot of people on the right endorse believe
in restrictive views of family.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And gender roles. That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Transcender rights, gay rights, reproductive rights, all of that is
in one camp. You cannot be a conservative today and
believe in all conservative values, but believe for example, that
gay people it's okay for gays to get married.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Everybody has to be a lockstep. No one can have
an individual view. It doesn't work anymore on any side.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Of the political spectrum.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
People are hungry for this nostalgia that we think happened.
You know, the good old days were never the good
old days. The good old days were rotten. Right in
the fifties, right, no one had air conditioning. How's that
for the good old days? Your cars lasted two minutes.
(03:28):
I'll tell you one of the worst things I remember
as a kid my sneakers.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
My shoelaces would break every five minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
There it is, there's good old days. I can describe
perfectly good old days. I couldn't keep shoelaces together for
a month without them breaking.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
When's the last time you had to replace the shoelace
that broke? You don't.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The technology has gotten to the point where shoelaces do
not break.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So let me get this straight. Yeah, not civil rights,
no right for women. No, No, your shoelaces were yes,
Why the fifties weren't the good old days?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That's correct, that's an analogy, though, say that's not all encompassing.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But the point I'm making is you had to look
how long cars lasted the good old days. They weren't.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We're gonna look fifty years from now, it is gonna
be oh, remember the two thousands of the twenty twenties.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Those are the good old days?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And the problem is, and I believe the problem is,
is that the entire issue of transgender reproductive rights.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Look where the states have broken. We got rid of
Roe v.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Wade.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And by the way, there's a legal argument for getting
rid of Roe Vuwaide.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I don't have a problem with this the legal aspect
when they say, oh my god, it's been around for
fifty years, and therefore as president, Hey, the Supreme Court
has reversed itself many times in history.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Too bad.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know, you had a conservative president that was elected.
Three justices retired or died on his watch. He selects,
he nominates, the Senate confirms, and guess what those are
the rules.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So you had Roe v. Wade being overturned and legitimately
so legally, there's no question about it. Now, I don't
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I happen to believe in reproductive rights, but I can
certainly see the logic the legal argument.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
As a matter of fact, there's more of a legal
argument that Roe v.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wade shouldn't exist under our constitution. But you know, I digress.
The point is it's a very different world. I mean today,
the way we look at gay rights. You know, when
I first started doing surrogacy and my first gay couple
to have children.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Was I think nineteen eighty two. It was a long
time ago when I helped the gay couple I have kids.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Not only that, I have to keep it under the radar,
and I had to say, we have to keep this
really quiet.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You won't admit this. I don't talk about this.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Not only is it going to be a firestorm that
gay men are having children, it will be a firestorm
that gay men are having sex, that gay men are
gay men inherent on to itself, gaiosity should be a crime.
(06:24):
And I don't think anybody is arguing, even those among
the most conservative argue that homosexuality should be criminal. But
there are plenty of people that argue that homosexual should
not get married, should not have children.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
But why can't this be a combination, like what well,
instead of this looking like turning back the clock, on
gender roles. Why doesn't it look at the nuclear family.
I don't care if it's two men or two women.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well that's not the nuclear family, I think here.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But wait, so one person's stays at.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Home, Now, that's fine and that is not a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Even those that believe in absolute free choice pro choice.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
No one's saying.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That a woman or a man in many cases, well
some cases, shouldn't stay at home. The argument is is
should a woman not go to work because that contradicts
family values. A woman should be at home taking care
of kids, and that belief is gaining more and more
traction now. One of the things that those who believe
(07:29):
that we don't have enough kids the JD. Van's arguing
childlessness somehow there's something wrong with it. When you're talking
about culturally and economically, that's absolutely true. The world's birth
rate is dropping dramatically, and when you're looking at public policy,
the fewer kids that are born, the more trouble any
society is because you've got old people that have to
(07:52):
be taken care of and they're living longer, and you've
got fewer people coming into the workforce to support those people.
That is disaster for an economy. So on an economic level,
that makes a lot of sense. But to tell me
that I don't have enough children or I should have children, No,
(08:18):
I shouldn't have you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
That was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You've had plenty, don't have any more?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, I go, Barbara.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You know, Pamela the other day went up to me
and said, if you had your choice, you really wouldn't
have me, right, I go, Come on, Pamela. You know
I love you, don't you You really wouldn't have me,
would you. Now, Pamela, don't say that. Yeah it's true. Actually,
uh yeah, Now have a burger. All right, We're done.
(08:47):
I love my daughters, they love me. And my credit cards.
Oh okay. Moving over to something that's kind of fun,
and that's traveling. After the pandemic, I mean, the travel
industry exploded, as you can imagine, and that is now
slowing down for a couple of reasons. First of all,
(09:09):
it got pretty expensive supply and demand. And second of all,
all the money that we had that was put away,
the stimulus money, the fact you couldn't spend the money,
Well that's gone, and so travel has sort of come
back down to I guess what's considered reasonable levels, and
(09:30):
people are spending more, and even prices are starting.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
To drop, except airlines.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Even airlines, the prices have dropped at least moderated, but
not among those people that by business class or travel
for example, non stop at a good time, those prices
are still completely astronomical. I am sending my daughter, she's
getting married, and I'm sending her and her boyfriend. Now
(09:59):
will be your high and I'm giving them a honeymoon trip,
and I am. They're going to do Italy, And let
me tell you how difficult it is to do Italy
on three dollars a day and finding airfare that was
reasonably cheap, they said, gee, can we go direct?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So they have nineteen stops between here and there because
you got to find those bargains out there. And believe me,
they're not going high end at all. It's just more
difficult to fly. It's more difficult to travel, although international
travel is still where Americans want to go.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That adds to it too.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You know, we don't go to the Grand Canyon anymore,
we don't go to Yellowstone National Park. What we do
is we go overseas. So things have changed, and I'll
tell you the part. And I've always said this, and
it's catching on. You know, the business, the travel business
that is getting strong, younger and stronger.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Cruising cruising cruise ships.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
They have always been the best bargain out there, even
though they're a lot price, or it used to be.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean, you can get if you go to a
carnival cruise.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And you're willing to put an inside cabin next to
the elevator and you're willing to take drunk people partying
twenty four hours a day and screaming down the hall.
You can do a week for four hundred dollars and
that includes all the food you can eat. I mean, no,
I don't take carnival cruises, but I've cruised thirty five times.
(11:33):
It's it's a tremendous bargain. The food is good, you
get as much of as you want.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Them is very high end. You get well.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean the shows, that's all included. You know, the
show tunes, the same gay chorus you know you can't
be straight, and being the chorus on a cruise line,
you know that they actually ask you. That's one of
the few places that it is legal to ask someone
Are you gay or not? And if you are not,
you're not getting the job.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You've been on a cruise Neil, Yes, am I right?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
What about gay men?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah in the chorus, of course I'm right.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I don't remember seeing a car.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh please stop at stop at Of course they are,
but I know I is.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
To have a course, a course of gay men around you.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yes, one singular, That's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You get all the show tunes you want, but you
get some good comedians that are not so blue, and
you get you know, they stay away from politics. But
cruise lines are as. They build more and more of
these ships, and I mean now it's like twelve thousand
people on a ship.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They are truly cities that float.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I remember going on somehow somebody convinced me to go
on a Royal Caribbean, you know, the Caribbean of the
I don't know, continents, whatever the hell it was called.
Like seven thousand people, seven thousand cruisers, not counting the
five people that are board the ship that work there.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It was one of the worst experiences of my life.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It was horrific, but it was a bargain and the
kids got everything they needed, and that was it had
to pay relatively little money as opposed to going out
there people.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's the business that is exploding is cruising.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
As you think of these ships coming online, there's not
enough of them and they don't stop the rest of
the travel industry has dropped pretty dramatically. You know what's
also hurt the travel industry a lot is the California
law that all of.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
The costs have to be on the bill.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You have to know in advance how much your hotel
bill is going to be. And the fact that now
that crap resort fee and the towel fees and whatever
junk fees that they put on there, which can add
thirty percent to your hotel bill, that has the fact
that it's on the bill has actually cost discern discernible costs, which.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Has caused bookings to go down.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We're spending too much money, we're not saving. We're back
to credit cards. We're traveling overseas and cruising has gone crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
What else?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And everything is too crowded, Everything is too crowded. It's
all like a day at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What's the worst day? And Neil you've gone, and Amy
you've gone.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Aren't there days when you literally cannot go from one
land to the other because it's so jammed.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
No, I have only been one time where I laughed
at the crowd where I was like, holy shrud, this
is massive amounts.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
And then recently when I went.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
They have this issue with with the Haunted Mansion because
they're redoing the cues and it was weird and backed up.
But other than that, and I've gone a crap ton. Yeah,
there was only one time WHEREVER went, wow, this this
is a lot of humans in one day.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Amy. Have you ever been in the park when they
shut down entrance coming in because there were too many
people in the crowd in the in the park.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
They did it one time when I think it was
on New Year's Eve, but we were already in, so
it was okay with me.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, of course, okay, sure, why not.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And even when it is super crowded, like Neil said,
you kind of just wonder it's.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, okay, it is. I know, I
like it and I'm not listen. I like this lane,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Okay, let me imagine this, uh, wintertime, February March, five
thousand people in the park.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
No, wait for anything. That's what I had when I
was a kid.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Those days are gone.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
No kidding, those really were the good old days.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
All right, Monday on his twelfth The Olympics are over,
and now all the concentration is right here in LA
because we're gonna have the twenty twenty eight Olympics, and
we are going to have a lot of infrastructure, and
we're gonna have the what the people mover which is
gonna be available to us by the twenty forty eight Olympics.
(16:20):
It's gonna be very strong, very strong. First day of school.
By the way, LA unified today. And it's getting closer
and closer to a regional war in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
A barrage of rockets fired by a Chispo law into
Israel last night. Don't know where it's gonna go. All right,
real quickly, Wayne, do they have a kate?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
What all of that?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But how are you? I'm good. I'm good. It's all
good news, Wayne. Right, do they have the case?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Amongst other things?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
This case is gonna test your ability to behave yourself?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Oh god, yeah, that's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Well, let's see what happens.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
It's a sweet tale of a guy and a goal
and an ongoing love making relationship, which is tarnished by
the fact that after about a year, she is diagnosed
with ano genital HPV that she got from him. So
(17:18):
he gave her this, yes, Amy is grimacing, rightly, so
so anyway, no genital, Yeah, you know that's the medical correct,
that is the medical terms.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
There's respiratory hp.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I no, no, it's just the a no part that
I've never heard, so I'm just being curious.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Okay, Yes, so he gives her HPV.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
He gives her HPV down there. She sues him. But
then and here's where we have a case. Maybe she
sends a demand letter to Geico wanting them to pay
out the full million dollar max on his auto insurance
policy because and nobody in this case is arguing this
(18:03):
point for some reason, that he gave it to her
while they were making love in his car.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Okay. You don't make love in a car, You stoop
in the car.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
They're in the starters.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And as you described this, basically, there's a song about this, right,
what is it?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Making love in all the wrong places?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Cooking that's looking for love.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I knew that it was one of those. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Sorry, once turns it into the insurance company, go I got.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It because of him. He was stooping me in the car.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
In the car, it was a car the wrong place,
and I'm trying to visually figure out what positions they
were in.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But while you're talking, I'm visualizing.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Well, don't distract yourself from the task at hand, which
is this case. So Geico of course says, get.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Out of here.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
That's ridiculous, and a lower court judge said as.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Actually, what happens is Geico goes to a lower court
judge to say, would you please do this declarative, declarative
thing that you do where you just say right now
that we don't have to cover this, and the lower
court says, yeah, you don't have to cover this, and
then these people go to the appeals court. One other
little wrinkle here, they entered into a settlement the guy
(19:24):
in the gow. Under the law in Missouri where this happened,
you can make a settlement where she agrees she can
only recover from the insurance company and never from him.
So you can see her motivation to have Geico cover
this because she's already agreed she can never get anything
(19:46):
from the guy. Geico says, get out of here. That's crazy,
she says, Look at the way your policy is written.
It says that you will pay damages when the insured
becomes legally obligated to pay because of number one bodily
injury and number two damage her destruction to property arising
(20:06):
out of the ownership, maintenance, use of the owned auto.
She says, Look, the bodily injury doesn't have to have
anything to do with the ownership, maintenance, or use of
the car. It happened in the car. It's a bodily injury.
You have to cover it. What say you? And what
do you think? The Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals said to.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Her, I either it is written or it is implicit
in an auto insurance policy. That it has to be
with using the auto as is it intended to be used,
and that is driving it or parking it somehow connected
to the auto. Stooping in the auto is probably not covered,
(20:51):
is my guess. So they said no, They enjoyed the case,
no question. The court, when they took their coffee break,
certainly talked about this, saying, boy, do I have a
case for you. Wait till you see what came in
front of me today. The Appeals court because and I
don't even know if it is said in the insurance
(21:13):
policy that it must be connected to the driving or
ownership of the vehicle in a way that cars were
intended's that's my guest. I would even guess that a
non operative car on cinderblocks, that that would it would
not be covered, even though it was part of your
(21:35):
parking the car.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So I'm saying it's a big no.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I mean, you know that Gal is going to suffer
with her malady without getting paid.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
You are correct, Here's what they said.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
If you only look at the way it's worded, she
has a case just to the way they wrote the policy.
But you can't just look at those words. As you said,
it's implied that it is in connection with something about
using the car as you use a car, and that
if you didn't it would mean that if you have
(22:07):
Geico car insurance and somebody trips in your driveway, they
would have to pay. If you want to read it
the way that she wants to read it, So she,
unfortunately now will get no compensation from anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Right now, I'm envisioning if he is driving the vehicle
and she is injured, for example, does a great impression
of bobbing for apples at a party.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Then I believe that there could be coverage. Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Put on your libel hat.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
So they open a new amphitheater in Charlotte, North Carolina,
and before it actually opens, the people running the amphitheater
hire a company to bring shows to the Amphitheater, and
the first deal that they try to work on is
to bring a band called Big Head Todd and the Monsters,
(23:01):
which I've heard the name, I have not heard their music.
And apparently that immediately there's friction and there's an argument,
and the guy who runs the Amphitheater says that the
guy from the promotion company doesn't know what he's doing
and is an amateur, and if he's gonna stay with
(23:23):
that company, then the Amphitheater will not do any more
business with that company, and so publicly, well, he says
it in front of the other people who are involved. Okay,
and sure enough the company says, we can't have you
because they won't do any business with us. We like you,
(23:47):
You're fine, he's wrong, but he said he won't do
any business with us if you're still involved, because he
thinks you don't know what you're doing, and you're an amateur.
So the guy sues, and he said, you can't call
me an amateur and say that I don't know what
I'm doing, and that's actionable. And he says, that's just
an opinion, that's just my opinion. And also, amateur cannot
(24:10):
be defamatory because amateur just means you do something, whatever
it is, you do it for pleasure and not for
a profession. So how can the word amateur be defamatory?
And the lower court says, yeah, that's right, get out
of here with your complaint.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But he goes up to in this case.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
A district court in North Carolina, from the state court
to a federal court, and he says, listen saying I
don't know what I'm doing and that I'm an amateur,
there's facts that that those are factual statements that you're
that I am not capable of doing my job. And
he says, no, it's opinion, and what do you say,
(24:53):
and what do you think?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
The judge said, I think it's actionable because you can
have an opinion, but within that opinion, he is making
a fact that in fact does.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Interfere with his ability. I mean the damage. The causality
is right there. You call me an amateur. Because you
call me an amateur, I lost business, I have been fired.
I can connect the dots and that is beyond just
an opinion. I think I think the line was crossed
and a Now, whether it prevails or not, I don't know,
(25:26):
because you know, now you have to prove that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They fired him because of that. But it, sir, looks
like it's actionable. What did the court say?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
You know, it's interesting because you not only did you
agree with the court, but the same exact observation, which
is he may think it's an opinion, but within what's
expressed he thinks as an opinion are in fact questions
of facts. Specifically, can this person perform his duties at
(25:55):
the level expected of someone in his position. That's a
factual question. Absolutely, So, yes, he can move forward.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And you're right.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
He may not be able ultimately to win, but he
gets to have another day in court.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Thank you. Oh I feel good.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Two for two. All right, man, we'll catch you next Monday.
And tomorrow we come back again. Amy wake up call
at five am, Neil and I and we come aboard
from six to nine with Amy and then KNO and
An of course, never Go Home. This is KFI AM
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