August 20, 2024 • 25 mins
Takeaways from the 1st night of the DNC. UC President to campuses: No encampments, blocking paths, or hiding faces. Phil Donahue, who reinvented the television talk show dies at 88. AI cheating is getting worse. Schools are gearing up for the Fall semester and the responsibility is enormous.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And it is a Tuesday morning, August twentieth, Taco Tuesday,
and a lot going on today, A lot of politics
are happening. Why because this is the week of the
Democratic National Convention. And by the way, Gary and Shannon
are at the convention all week covering it for KFI. Now,
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what happened last night, well, exactly what everybody thought would happened.
It was the send off to Joe Biden, and it
was this love fest for Joe Biden, and it was just,
oh God, we love Joe, We love Joe, not mentioning
that we pushed Joe out, we pushed Joe out. That
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simply didn't exist. I mean, revisionist history just didn't happen. Now,
to be fair, what else are you going to do?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Right? He is being described as selfless.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He is being described as giving up his personal ambition
for the good of the country and the good of
the party, not mentioning, of course, that he had no
chance of winning against Donald Trump, and the pressure that
was pushed on him, was put on him to bail out.
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Was well. Between Nancy Pelosi and Hakim Jeffries, and you've
got Chuck Schumer. You just people were pushing, pushing pushes.
They can't win. So finally he got it, and so
he is done. And then it was talking about the future,
and a lot of it was Kamala Harris. Of course,
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he said, choosing Harris as his running mate in twenty
twenty was the best decision I made in my whole career.
Now keep in mind what happened a month ago. The
party was completely fractured. I mean, it was in trouble.
You had the Republican ticket riding as high as you
can possibly at this point, and then it all completely
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switched from he's a doddering old man to now nominee
is not a doddering old man.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
What you have is a.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Sixty year old looks younger woman who is mixed race,
a woman.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
A liberal whoa what happened?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So now, what are the attacks on Kamala Harris in
addition to her being a member of the Communist Party
and going to destroy humanity single handedly? Okay, that's a
political shot. I'll take that. But I'm better looking than
Kamala Harris. Come on, guy, really, you're better looking than
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Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, why don't we go there?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But all night long it was both a hit to
Trump and it was a peon or payan that how
pronounced p A p A I n pan to the presidents.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So he comes up there, he was the keynote. He
would have been on Thursday accepting the nomination, but that's
going to be Kamala Harris. So he got this four
minute ovation that he that could have gone a lot longer.
He calmed it down and did way beyond the time
that he should have been speaking. Thing ran way long,
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and what we thought is exactly what happened. He touted
what he has done, which depending on what the political
level or where on the political scale you look, I
think a lot of it is very good, too liberal
for my taste.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But that's the way.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
We're going to talk more about Kamala Harris with some
of her positions vis a VI well she's being accused
of and we'll talk about it later. Going to instigate
price controls. Okay, it's uh, there's a lot going on
where I hate both of them and I like both
of them in different ways. Donald Trump mainly for his
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entertainment aspects of it. She is not nearly as fun
as he is.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's the part that I can't We don't know yet. Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Can maybe if she drinks more when she's speaking. Hey,
didn't you feel like it was kind of a eulogy?
It was Joe Biden from people who pushed him off
the train.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And then that's the realism and to the point where
I mean, she has turned around. The Democrats have turned
around this campaign for sure. All of a sudden, Kamala
Harris is ahead in polls, and frankly, Republicans are sweating
bullets on this one, and they have yet to figure
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out how they're going to attack her. And even Trump's
own main main supporters Phil Graham, for example, Lindsey Graham says,
we got to stay away from this personal stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You can't say you're better looking than Kamala Harrison think
that people are going to vote for you based on that.
But I think the takeaway was Joe Biden a wonderful
human being. I don't remember last time it happened where
you had a president at this point, It's never happened,
by the way, I don't think a president at this
point in the campaign, the nominee dropping out, sitting president
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nominee of his party, and he says, I'm gone. I
think to the extent that he does care about the
party more than he does his own political future. I
think that has yeah, that has some reality to that.
And as they were pushing him out and he's trying
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to grab onto every handrail, trying to stay in, and
he finally gets thrown over the edge. Okay, on the
way down he goes, but I get it. It's for
the good of the party. And then Hillary Clinton last night,
I gotta tell you, she talked about the glass ceiling
and finally she was almost there, and finally we have
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Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know the reason why Hillary didn't make it because
everybody hated Hillary.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's why, on a personal level, everybody hate hates Hillary,
or enough people hated her. That's why I wouldn't vote
for her. I wouldn't vote for Trump. Won't do it again.
And I'll tell you my candidate just didn't even stand
a chance. The candidate I voted for, it was a
write in. It was the dead gorilla out of the
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Cincinnati Zoo. I don't think legally number one. Anyone. Well,
first of all, gorillas can't run and win, and particularly
dead gorillas can't.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
One can't run and win.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So we'll see what more happens more at the DNC.
The big one is going to be her speech on
Thursday night. And if you ever, if you ever have
a chance to talk to her, By the way, I've
talked to many many people that talk to her, you
have to there has to be room behind you for
her teleprompter to be up there when she talks to you,
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because there's well, let's just say, there's going to be
a lot of discussion about that, Okay. At the same time,
yesterday you see California President Michael Drake directed chancellors of
all ten campuses to strictly enforce rules against encampments, protests
that block pathways, masking.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That shields identities. And you can't do that. You know,
all these people.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That are wearing shields, they're wearing masks. If it's for
the purpose of hiding your face during the commission of
a crime, as in trespassing, vandalizing, illygal assembly, that is illegal. However,
if you're doing that as a safety precaution, wearing a
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mask because of COVID. Well, that is legal, and so
you know where's the line on that one. Well, my
guess is if you're wearing a Palestinian one of those raps.
You've seen that checkered Palestinian rap of course everybody has,
and they take them from the local Italian restaurant. These
are the tablecloths that they have, and then they turn
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them into Palestinian head wraps that you can't argue that
that's for health purposes, can you.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And therein lies the issue, and that is the protests
and how far the protests go. And here is where
reality is not being met. You have each side looking
at it totally differently. You have the protesters who believe
that encampments, I guess, rushing the police anytime there is
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a quote illegal assembly. They don't believe that any of
that is possible. They don't believe any of that is legal.
It is a first Amendment right to put up tents
on the quad. It is a first Amendment right to
for example, block people from walking into class, all a
jeuse of which we've seen story after a story. I
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have not heard of one protester arguing First Amendment rights
saying we should.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Not do that. That crosses the line.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Nope, all the enforcement is a violation of their First
Amendment rights. In the meantime, you have the schools finally
coming to the tables saying that's it, We're done. Encampments gone, vandalism,
you'll be arrested, Illegal assemblies declared by the police will
be will be dealt with.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
If you look at.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What's going on in Chicago, there are places that are
segregated for the protest, saying, hey, here's the place. What
do they do? They overrun the barriers. In this case
it was one barrier and four people were arrested. That
is the difference protests today, and the vast majority are peaceful.
I mean, there's no question about it. They're not overrunning,
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they're not well anymore, they're not vandalizing because I think
the police are much stricter. And it's come to the
point where now, because of public pressure, these school administrators
are finally saying Okay, enough is enough.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Probably UC Berkeley, where the free speech.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Movement started, has now come to the table and said
we're not going to take this anymore. Protest all you want,
you're simply not going to commit a crime.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's it. It's not simple.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You know, you want to call that protesting, you can
call whatever the hell you want. You have a camp,
encamp when it's gone, you breach a barrier that's set
up for the purposes of protesting, that's an illegal assembly,
unlawful assembly.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You'll be arrested. You deface buildings.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now they haven't gone so far as to say vandalism
and defacing and occupying buildings somehow is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
A First Amendment issue.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But for the first time you have the schools coming hard,
hard down on the protesters that have gone beyond protesting.
Every one of them are saying, we believe in First
Amendment rights. By the way, when was the university not
in favor of First Amendment rights? I mean, come on,
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we believe in First Amendment rights. All right, great, Now,
what the issue is not your belief in First Amendment rights.
The issue is how far you're going to go in
protecting your school and your students as against those people
that are arguing First Amendment rights. Now, do whatever the
hell you want, just do it in those prescribed areas.
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Do not block entrance is certainly asking people, and we've
had stories of this. Jews are intimidated by a lot
of these pro Palestinian demonstrators, and as they are with
the pro Israeli demonstrators.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean, it's just the good news.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And we're not going to see nineteen sixty eight again.
That's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And if you have any idea of.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What I'm talking about, or try to you don't understand,
or don't know, or don't care, or you're too young
to understand what the history was, go on YouTube and
just look up nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention, protestations
or protesters out on the streets.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
All right now, philled on to you. That song died yesterday.
It was announced yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He died eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And for those people that don't remember Filled on You,
and anybody I think over sixty would be remembering who
Filled on You was. He basically invented the modern daytime
television talk show. He totally reinvented it and brought to
us what we now know as the modern.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
TV talk show. Most of them horrifically bad.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
He was not only good at what he did, he
was a real pioneer too. And what he did is
he covered topics, and I'm talking about important topics of
the day. Prior to that, television is basically entertainment. The
only time you had important topics being discussed was on
the Sunday talk show Sunday morning political talk shows. And
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then occasionally you would have a documentary or so Edward R.
Morell for example, doing a documentary. But for the most
part daily shows it was nothing serious, and he took
it serious. I mean human rights, international relations, I mean
really important stuff. Abortion and at the same time male strippers,
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safe sex orgies, which, by the way, I've never been
to one of those, so I don't know. How's that
for protection. I started in nineteen sixty seven, twenty nine
years syndicated run.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I mean, what a success he had. And here's what
he did.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Away with opening monologues, gone, no couch, no sidekick, no band.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He stood up the whole time.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And it was in the round or in the square,
and the audience was all around him and it was
just him and the guests and the audience focused on
a single topic. Now, at that time, audiences were expected
just to be seen, not heard. The only time you
would ever see or hear audiences when they applauded with
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the big applause sign going up, or one of the
employees there, one of the crew holding up applause.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Applause.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
By the way, that's when I had my TV talks.
That is exactly what happened. When there was supposed to
be applause, the sign would go up and my audience
was silent. It was crickets. The show didn't do well.
I just want to point that out. It was just horrific.
And I've joked about it before. In any case, what
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he did he started asking the audience the questions. And
this happened during commercial breaks. He would be interviewing a guest,
and during the commercial breaks he would banter with the audience,
and he realized, you know, some of these folks have
sharper questions than I do. They actually have gone off
into a direction that I haven't thought of.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So he started.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Bringing the audience in and you'd have people in the
stage on the stage with the audience surrounding it, and
he would go to audience members.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And say, what do you have to say about this?
You know, what's your question?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And that became the basis of a show that well,
one of the most successful television shows in history, certainly
daytime shows. His first guests, by the way, just to
show you where he went, was Madeline Murray O'Hare, and
you may have not heard of her. She was at
that point the most famous atheists that existed in the
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United States, and she and her family were followed by
the cops once her son got a ticket running through
a stop sign of which there was no stop sign
there at all, and he was able to prove to
the judge the stop sign didn't even.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Exist, he still got tagged.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, that family was hated, and he had her on,
and the number of guests that he had on, I
mean just extraordinary, more than six thousand episodes, twenty Daytime
Emmy Awards, and two hundred stations. And then he fell
to two things. One his ratings went on the toilet.
And then there was this woman who she started a
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talk show I think of Chicago. I think her name
was Oprah Winfrey, and she took Daytime talk to a
level that's never been seen.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He was a feminist from day one.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He also was brought up as a very strict Roman
Catholic Phil Donahue and he left the church and dismissed
it a sexist, racist, unnecessarily destructive.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Fair to say. He was a lapse lapse Catholic.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
And of all the guests that he had, Ralph Nader
was his favorite one, and he actually campaigned for Ralph Nader,
who single handedly destroyed Al Gore's presidency his run for president,
and that's how George W.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Bush became the president.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Interesting guy. Interesting guy. And some lawsuits were filed against
the show. Someone some loss. But the influence of Phil
donnae you had was just extraordinary. And as a matter
of fact, as I said, there was early early on
in my career insurrogacy, there was a case in which
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we didn't know who the father was and that was
a real controversy. The surrogate mother didn't know who the
father was, and in those days it was one of
the early pre DNA tests, but you could tell who
the father was. Well, we got the information, we found
out and you know where that test was revealed on
the Phil Donahue Show.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Where else?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
All right, I want to talk about AI, and I'm
talking a lot about AI because you know, our heads
are or should be spinning with AI and the analogy
is at the beginning of the computer age, and we
had no idea where it was going. But it took
five minutes to figure it out. Right, with AI, it
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takes thirty seconds to begin to try to figure it out.
And we're not even close, not even close. The problem
is this moving at such breakneck speed.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We're running to try to keep.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Out keep up with it, and it's not working. So
there's a story in the Atlantic about this. College professor
Kyle Jensen, director of Arizona State University's writing program. Each year,
twenty three thousand students take writing courses, of which he oversees.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
AI tools can generate competent college papers in seconds.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Here you go, and it's competent. In some cases it's
be work.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
In some cases it's e work, or excuse me, some
cases it's a work.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So a week after chat GPT appears in November twenty
twenty two, the Atlantic ran an article the college essay
is dead.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Now we're two years later.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And Kyle Jensen now he runs the National Endowment for
the Humanities funded project Generative AI Literacy Program for Humanity instructors. Well,
he's been incorporating large bottles of as use English courses
or into English courses. And he's part of a new
breed of faculty who want to embrace AI while they're
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trying to figure out how do you control AI. I mean,
he's a strong believer in the value of traditional writing.
Of course he would, he's a writing instructor.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But what do you do?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Not only would the problems but the potential of AI
to facilitate education. The first year of AI college ended
in ruins. It was a disaster. Students techted, the technology
faculty was caught off guard.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Cheating was widespread.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Tools that identified computer written essays were insufficient.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Students who used.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
AI for legitimate reasons let's say they used A to
help them with research or just consulted them for example
grammar checking software, they were labeled as cheats. You're throwing
in the same pile as cheaters. Faculties asked students not
to use AI, or at least tell the faculty when
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they were, And who's going to do that? So now
we're the third year of AI college and is the
problem any better?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Nope? Nope, And here is some of the problems.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Chat GPT arrived on college campuses when instructors and students
and the school itself reeling from the pandemic, and we
know the problem that the pandemic had. There was a
writing professor interviewed at a school in Florida who was
so demoralized by all the students cheating he's ready to
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give up take a job in tech. Said, it crushed me.
I fell in love with teaching. I've loved my time
in the classroom, but with chat G everything feels hopeless.
He's lost trust in the system, in the students because
generative AI has pretty much ruined the integrity of online classes,
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which of course those are gone if you want any legitimacy.
And it is just a heartbreaker by the way it's
gone from just being horrible, not being able to understand,
being used to cheat, into absurdism, is the way it's
described in the Atlantic. Teachers are teaching and they wonder
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are they grading students or are they grading computers.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's a hell of a way to teach, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So what you have is this game that goes on
in arms race, if you will, regarding AI cheating.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And detection systems. Are they keeping up? No, not really,
They're talking about water.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Marks somehow, and Neil and I have talked about watermarks
to at least we know what's being used in AI,
what is being generated, And we were talking about that
with the scripts, etc.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But here's the problem. Watermarks can be tampered with. Two.
You know, the bad guys are just really good at this.
So the problem is what do you do well? Do
you incorporate AI in grading? I think that works.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
English teachers have the hardest job in teaching. I don't
even know why people go into teaching English. You've got
a class of thirty five or thirty two students. Let's
say you have four classes of students, right, so you're
looking at one hundred and something students that you're teaching
a homework assignment. Let's say you give three or four
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homework assignments essay writing, you're grading hundreds of them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You know, you're better off being a PE teacher, you know,
where you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Have homework and all you have to do is abuse
the kids, you know, and bat them around and do
what the PE teachers did to me, swap the hell
out of me whenever I acted up. It's not the
same school just isn't the same. It's not as much fun.
You can't abuse people as much, but you can cheat.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You can cheat.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm about to you know today someone told me because
you know I do the of course you do. I
do the podcasts, and I'll tell you a little bit
more about that, and and produces them for me because
as my producer.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And then there's an outline and.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Who is it that said to me, why don't you
try AI chat GPT to put everything in order and
to compile it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Go Wow? You know, I think I'm gonna try that.
I think I'm gonna try that. AI AI for me,
AI for you, AI for all of us.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
And it is a Tuesday morning, August twentieth, Taco Tuesday,
and a lot going on today, A lot of politics
are happening. Why because this is the week of the
Democratic National Convention. And by the way, Gary and Shannon
are at the convention all week covering it for KFI. Now,
(00:26):
what happened last night, well, exactly what everybody thought would happened.
It was the send off to Joe Biden, and it
was this love fest for Joe Biden, and it was just,
oh God, we love Joe, We love Joe, not mentioning
that we pushed Joe out, we pushed Joe out. That
(00:48):
simply didn't exist. I mean, revisionist history just didn't happen. Now,
to be fair, what else are you going to do?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Right? He is being described as selfless.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He is being described as giving up his personal ambition
for the good of the country and the good of
the party, not mentioning, of course, that he had no
chance of winning against Donald Trump, and the pressure that
was pushed on him, was put on him to bail out.
(01:19):
Was well. Between Nancy Pelosi and Hakim Jeffries, and you've
got Chuck Schumer. You just people were pushing, pushing pushes.
They can't win. So finally he got it, and so
he is done. And then it was talking about the future,
and a lot of it was Kamala Harris. Of course,
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he said, choosing Harris as his running mate in twenty
twenty was the best decision I made in my whole career.
Now keep in mind what happened a month ago. The
party was completely fractured. I mean, it was in trouble.
You had the Republican ticket riding as high as you
can possibly at this point, and then it all completely
(02:03):
switched from he's a doddering old man to now nominee
is not a doddering old man.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
What you have is a.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Sixty year old looks younger woman who is mixed race,
a woman.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
A liberal whoa what happened?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So now, what are the attacks on Kamala Harris in
addition to her being a member of the Communist Party
and going to destroy humanity single handedly? Okay, that's a
political shot. I'll take that. But I'm better looking than
Kamala Harris. Come on, guy, really, you're better looking than
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Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, why don't we go there?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But all night long it was both a hit to
Trump and it was a peon or payan that how
pronounced p A p A I n pan to the presidents.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So he comes up there, he was the keynote. He
would have been on Thursday accepting the nomination, but that's
going to be Kamala Harris. So he got this four
minute ovation that he that could have gone a lot longer.
He calmed it down and did way beyond the time
that he should have been speaking. Thing ran way long,
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and what we thought is exactly what happened. He touted
what he has done, which depending on what the political
level or where on the political scale you look, I
think a lot of it is very good, too liberal
for my taste.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But that's the way.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
We're going to talk more about Kamala Harris with some
of her positions vis a VI well she's being accused
of and we'll talk about it later. Going to instigate
price controls. Okay, it's uh, there's a lot going on
where I hate both of them and I like both
of them in different ways. Donald Trump mainly for his
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entertainment aspects of it. She is not nearly as fun
as he is.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's the part that I can't We don't know yet. Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Can maybe if she drinks more when she's speaking. Hey,
didn't you feel like it was kind of a eulogy?
It was Joe Biden from people who pushed him off
the train.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And then that's the realism and to the point where
I mean, she has turned around. The Democrats have turned
around this campaign for sure. All of a sudden, Kamala
Harris is ahead in polls, and frankly, Republicans are sweating
bullets on this one, and they have yet to figure
(04:54):
out how they're going to attack her. And even Trump's
own main main supporters Phil Graham, for example, Lindsey Graham says,
we got to stay away from this personal stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You can't say you're better looking than Kamala Harrison think
that people are going to vote for you based on that.
But I think the takeaway was Joe Biden a wonderful
human being. I don't remember last time it happened where
you had a president at this point, It's never happened,
by the way, I don't think a president at this
point in the campaign, the nominee dropping out, sitting president
(05:33):
nominee of his party, and he says, I'm gone. I
think to the extent that he does care about the
party more than he does his own political future. I
think that has yeah, that has some reality to that.
And as they were pushing him out and he's trying
(05:55):
to grab onto every handrail, trying to stay in, and
he finally gets thrown over the edge. Okay, on the
way down he goes, but I get it. It's for
the good of the party. And then Hillary Clinton last night,
I gotta tell you, she talked about the glass ceiling
and finally she was almost there, and finally we have
(06:16):
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know the reason why Hillary didn't make it because
everybody hated Hillary.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's why, on a personal level, everybody hate hates Hillary,
or enough people hated her. That's why I wouldn't vote
for her. I wouldn't vote for Trump. Won't do it again.
And I'll tell you my candidate just didn't even stand
a chance. The candidate I voted for, it was a
write in. It was the dead gorilla out of the
(06:45):
Cincinnati Zoo. I don't think legally number one. Anyone. Well,
first of all, gorillas can't run and win, and particularly
dead gorillas can't.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
One can't run and win.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So we'll see what more happens more at the DNC.
The big one is going to be her speech on
Thursday night. And if you ever, if you ever have
a chance to talk to her, By the way, I've
talked to many many people that talk to her, you
have to there has to be room behind you for
her teleprompter to be up there when she talks to you,
(07:21):
because there's well, let's just say, there's going to be
a lot of discussion about that, Okay. At the same time,
yesterday you see California President Michael Drake directed chancellors of
all ten campuses to strictly enforce rules against encampments, protests
that block pathways, masking.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That shields identities. And you can't do that. You know,
all these people.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That are wearing shields, they're wearing masks. If it's for
the purpose of hiding your face during the commission of
a crime, as in trespassing, vandalizing, illygal assembly, that is illegal. However,
if you're doing that as a safety precaution, wearing a
(08:06):
mask because of COVID. Well, that is legal, and so
you know where's the line on that one. Well, my
guess is if you're wearing a Palestinian one of those raps.
You've seen that checkered Palestinian rap of course everybody has,
and they take them from the local Italian restaurant. These
are the tablecloths that they have, and then they turn
(08:29):
them into Palestinian head wraps that you can't argue that
that's for health purposes, can you.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And therein lies the issue, and that is the protests
and how far the protests go. And here is where
reality is not being met. You have each side looking
at it totally differently. You have the protesters who believe
that encampments, I guess, rushing the police anytime there is
(09:04):
a quote illegal assembly. They don't believe that any of
that is possible. They don't believe any of that is legal.
It is a first Amendment right to put up tents
on the quad. It is a first Amendment right to
for example, block people from walking into class, all a
jeuse of which we've seen story after a story. I
(09:25):
have not heard of one protester arguing First Amendment rights
saying we should.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Not do that. That crosses the line.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Nope, all the enforcement is a violation of their First
Amendment rights. In the meantime, you have the schools finally
coming to the tables saying that's it, We're done. Encampments gone, vandalism,
you'll be arrested, Illegal assemblies declared by the police will
be will be dealt with.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
If you look at.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What's going on in Chicago, there are places that are
segregated for the protest, saying, hey, here's the place. What
do they do? They overrun the barriers. In this case
it was one barrier and four people were arrested. That
is the difference protests today, and the vast majority are peaceful.
I mean, there's no question about it. They're not overrunning,
(10:15):
they're not well anymore, they're not vandalizing because I think
the police are much stricter. And it's come to the
point where now, because of public pressure, these school administrators
are finally saying Okay, enough is enough.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Probably UC Berkeley, where the free speech.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Movement started, has now come to the table and said
we're not going to take this anymore. Protest all you want,
you're simply not going to commit a crime.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's it. It's not simple.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You know, you want to call that protesting, you can
call whatever the hell you want. You have a camp,
encamp when it's gone, you breach a barrier that's set
up for the purposes of protesting, that's an illegal assembly,
unlawful assembly.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You'll be arrested. You deface buildings.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now they haven't gone so far as to say vandalism
and defacing and occupying buildings somehow is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
A First Amendment issue.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But for the first time you have the schools coming hard,
hard down on the protesters that have gone beyond protesting.
Every one of them are saying, we believe in First
Amendment rights. By the way, when was the university not
in favor of First Amendment rights? I mean, come on,
(11:36):
we believe in First Amendment rights. All right, great, Now,
what the issue is not your belief in First Amendment rights.
The issue is how far you're going to go in
protecting your school and your students as against those people
that are arguing First Amendment rights. Now, do whatever the
hell you want, just do it in those prescribed areas.
(11:58):
Do not block entrance is certainly asking people, and we've
had stories of this. Jews are intimidated by a lot
of these pro Palestinian demonstrators, and as they are with
the pro Israeli demonstrators.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean, it's just the good news.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And we're not going to see nineteen sixty eight again.
That's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And if you have any idea of.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What I'm talking about, or try to you don't understand,
or don't know, or don't care, or you're too young
to understand what the history was, go on YouTube and
just look up nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention, protestations
or protesters out on the streets.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
All right now, philled on to you. That song died yesterday.
It was announced yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He died eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And for those people that don't remember Filled on You,
and anybody I think over sixty would be remembering who
Filled on You was. He basically invented the modern daytime
television talk show. He totally reinvented it and brought to
us what we now know as the modern.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
TV talk show. Most of them horrifically bad.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
He was not only good at what he did, he
was a real pioneer too. And what he did is
he covered topics, and I'm talking about important topics of
the day. Prior to that, television is basically entertainment. The
only time you had important topics being discussed was on
the Sunday talk show Sunday morning political talk shows. And
(13:40):
then occasionally you would have a documentary or so Edward R.
Morell for example, doing a documentary. But for the most
part daily shows it was nothing serious, and he took
it serious. I mean human rights, international relations, I mean
really important stuff. Abortion and at the same time male strippers,
(14:00):
safe sex orgies, which, by the way, I've never been
to one of those, so I don't know. How's that
for protection. I started in nineteen sixty seven, twenty nine
years syndicated run.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I mean, what a success he had. And here's what
he did.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Away with opening monologues, gone, no couch, no sidekick, no band.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He stood up the whole time.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And it was in the round or in the square,
and the audience was all around him and it was
just him and the guests and the audience focused on
a single topic. Now, at that time, audiences were expected
just to be seen, not heard. The only time you
would ever see or hear audiences when they applauded with
(14:47):
the big applause sign going up, or one of the
employees there, one of the crew holding up applause.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Applause.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
By the way, that's when I had my TV talks.
That is exactly what happened. When there was supposed to
be applause, the sign would go up and my audience
was silent. It was crickets. The show didn't do well.
I just want to point that out. It was just horrific.
And I've joked about it before. In any case, what
(15:18):
he did he started asking the audience the questions. And
this happened during commercial breaks. He would be interviewing a guest,
and during the commercial breaks he would banter with the audience,
and he realized, you know, some of these folks have
sharper questions than I do. They actually have gone off
into a direction that I haven't thought of.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So he started.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Bringing the audience in and you'd have people in the
stage on the stage with the audience surrounding it, and
he would go to audience members.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And say, what do you have to say about this?
You know, what's your question?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And that became the basis of a show that well,
one of the most successful television shows in history, certainly
daytime shows. His first guests, by the way, just to
show you where he went, was Madeline Murray O'Hare, and
you may have not heard of her. She was at
that point the most famous atheists that existed in the
(16:17):
United States, and she and her family were followed by
the cops once her son got a ticket running through
a stop sign of which there was no stop sign
there at all, and he was able to prove to
the judge the stop sign didn't even.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Exist, he still got tagged.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, that family was hated, and he had her on,
and the number of guests that he had on, I
mean just extraordinary, more than six thousand episodes, twenty Daytime
Emmy Awards, and two hundred stations. And then he fell
to two things. One his ratings went on the toilet.
And then there was this woman who she started a
(16:56):
talk show I think of Chicago. I think her name
was Oprah Winfrey, and she took Daytime talk to a
level that's never been seen.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He was a feminist from day one.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He also was brought up as a very strict Roman
Catholic Phil Donahue and he left the church and dismissed
it a sexist, racist, unnecessarily destructive.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Fair to say. He was a lapse lapse Catholic.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
And of all the guests that he had, Ralph Nader
was his favorite one, and he actually campaigned for Ralph Nader,
who single handedly destroyed Al Gore's presidency his run for president,
and that's how George W.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Bush became the president.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Interesting guy. Interesting guy. And some lawsuits were filed against
the show. Someone some loss. But the influence of Phil
donnae you had was just extraordinary. And as a matter
of fact, as I said, there was early early on
in my career insurrogacy, there was a case in which
(18:04):
we didn't know who the father was and that was
a real controversy. The surrogate mother didn't know who the
father was, and in those days it was one of
the early pre DNA tests, but you could tell who
the father was. Well, we got the information, we found
out and you know where that test was revealed on
the Phil Donahue Show.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Where else?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
All right, I want to talk about AI, and I'm
talking a lot about AI because you know, our heads
are or should be spinning with AI and the analogy
is at the beginning of the computer age, and we
had no idea where it was going. But it took
five minutes to figure it out. Right, with AI, it
(18:49):
takes thirty seconds to begin to try to figure it out.
And we're not even close, not even close. The problem
is this moving at such breakneck speed.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We're running to try to keep.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Out keep up with it, and it's not working. So
there's a story in the Atlantic about this. College professor
Kyle Jensen, director of Arizona State University's writing program. Each year,
twenty three thousand students take writing courses, of which he oversees.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
AI tools can generate competent college papers in seconds.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Here you go, and it's competent. In some cases it's
be work.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
In some cases it's e work, or excuse me, some
cases it's a work.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So a week after chat GPT appears in November twenty
twenty two, the Atlantic ran an article the college essay
is dead.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Now we're two years later.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And Kyle Jensen now he runs the National Endowment for
the Humanities funded project Generative AI Literacy Program for Humanity instructors. Well,
he's been incorporating large bottles of as use English courses
or into English courses. And he's part of a new
breed of faculty who want to embrace AI while they're
(20:17):
trying to figure out how do you control AI. I mean,
he's a strong believer in the value of traditional writing.
Of course he would, he's a writing instructor.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But what do you do?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Not only would the problems but the potential of AI
to facilitate education. The first year of AI college ended
in ruins. It was a disaster. Students techted, the technology
faculty was caught off guard.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Cheating was widespread.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Tools that identified computer written essays were insufficient.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Students who used.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
AI for legitimate reasons let's say they used A to
help them with research or just consulted them for example
grammar checking software, they were labeled as cheats. You're throwing
in the same pile as cheaters. Faculties asked students not
to use AI, or at least tell the faculty when
(21:19):
they were, And who's going to do that? So now
we're the third year of AI college and is the
problem any better?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Nope? Nope, And here is some of the problems.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Chat GPT arrived on college campuses when instructors and students
and the school itself reeling from the pandemic, and we
know the problem that the pandemic had. There was a
writing professor interviewed at a school in Florida who was
so demoralized by all the students cheating he's ready to
(21:51):
give up take a job in tech. Said, it crushed me.
I fell in love with teaching. I've loved my time
in the classroom, but with chat G everything feels hopeless.
He's lost trust in the system, in the students because
generative AI has pretty much ruined the integrity of online classes,
(22:13):
which of course those are gone if you want any legitimacy.
And it is just a heartbreaker by the way it's
gone from just being horrible, not being able to understand,
being used to cheat, into absurdism, is the way it's
described in the Atlantic. Teachers are teaching and they wonder
(22:36):
are they grading students or are they grading computers.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's a hell of a way to teach, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So what you have is this game that goes on
in arms race, if you will, regarding AI cheating.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And detection systems. Are they keeping up? No, not really,
They're talking about water.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Marks somehow, and Neil and I have talked about watermarks
to at least we know what's being used in AI,
what is being generated, And we were talking about that
with the scripts, etc.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But here's the problem. Watermarks can be tampered with. Two.
You know, the bad guys are just really good at this.
So the problem is what do you do well? Do
you incorporate AI in grading? I think that works.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
English teachers have the hardest job in teaching. I don't
even know why people go into teaching English. You've got
a class of thirty five or thirty two students. Let's
say you have four classes of students, right, so you're
looking at one hundred and something students that you're teaching
a homework assignment. Let's say you give three or four
(23:50):
homework assignments essay writing, you're grading hundreds of them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You know, you're better off being a PE teacher, you know,
where you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Have homework and all you have to do is abuse
the kids, you know, and bat them around and do
what the PE teachers did to me, swap the hell
out of me whenever I acted up. It's not the
same school just isn't the same. It's not as much fun.
You can't abuse people as much, but you can cheat.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You can cheat.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm about to you know today someone told me because
you know I do the of course you do. I
do the podcasts, and I'll tell you a little bit
more about that, and and produces them for me because
as my producer.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And then there's an outline and.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Who is it that said to me, why don't you
try AI chat GPT to put everything in order and
to compile it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Go Wow? You know, I think I'm gonna try that.
I think I'm gonna try that. AI AI for me,
AI for you, AI for all of us.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
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