August 27, 2024 • 25 mins
KFI's own Tech Reporter Rich DeMuro joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Tech Tuesday'! Rich talks about the Apple iPhone event coming up on September 9th, Elon Musk backing CA AI safety bill, and the popular messaging app Telegram founder arrested. When should police be involved at school? A California bill would let teachers make the call. Los Angeles without langers? Owners says it could happen if the city doesn’t start to clean things up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listen Saints KFI AM six forty the Bill handles
show on demand on the iheartradiop and this is KFI
AM six forty Bill Handle here Taco Tuesday, August twenty seven,
and it is as always at eight o'clock with Rich.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It is time for Tech Tuesday. Rich good morning, Hey,
good morning you Bill, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Okay, before we get started, I have to tell everybody
that Rich has heard every Saturday eleven am to two pm.
He's host of Rich on Tech on KFI. He's also
you can follow him on Instagram at rich on Tech website,
Richontech dot TV. And I have my contract in front
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of me. Let me see you anything.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yep, I did it all.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yay, yay.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You great negotiator with you you handle has to say
this stuff all right, Lots stuff going on and I
want to share it with you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
First of all, we've.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Got the Apple iPhone event that's set for September ninth,
and they do their own thing always, and the anticipation
is always pretty enormous, or maybe not anymore, because do
you expect anything new?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Is oras? It's all incremental that has been for the
last few years.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, I think it's been incremental, but this season there
actually is a renewed interest in smartphones because of AI,
and so we have seen due to upgrades that Samsung
has done extremely well with their new phones Pixel It's
too early to tell, but the reviews are excellent, including
mine of the Pixel nine. And now Apple they're doing
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something unique with their AI. They are only making it
available on the iPhone fifteen Pro models and up So
what that means is that a lot of people that
are going to start seeing everyone talking about the AI
features if they have an old phone, they are not
able to access those, so they're going to want to
upgrade to the iPhone sixteen model to get that. And
Apple is I think the best positioned both from a
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loyalty standpoint and a fomo standpoint where people are going
to want to upgrade this year. So it is exciting
from those aspects.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You know, I love Apple and their business model, and
that is they'll come out with a new model had
whatever feature, and the moment you buy it, it becomes
obsolete when the new one comes out a year from
now with new features. And for example, the charging cord,
you have to use theirs and it what they get
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away with is just astounding. Now do you remember when
Apple came out with the iPhone? I mean, that was
that was extraordinarily a game changer across the world.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Has there been anything like that since?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think, I you know, look, I think, and I
have to take a little bit of you know, I
take a little issue with the saying that the phone
is obsolete, because that's really not true anymore. I mean,
you're talking where when this when this new iPhone comes out,
iOS eighteen is also going to come out, and that's
the new software for the iPhones.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Okay, they are going.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
To support all the way back to iPhone ten R,
which was launched in twenty eighteen. So you know, you're talking,
that's a pretty decent span for a phone. Let's let
me let me make sure my math is right on that.
Let's see yeah, September twelfth, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
All right, let me rephrase that, because you're right, not obsolete,
because people do have older phones that still work.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Older phones mean being two months old, three months old.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The second you buy the phone, they already have in
mind the upgrade phone next year or two years from now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Is that legitimate to say?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Okay, yes, and I here here's what I think.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Here's how I'll.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Frame it, Bill, and I think you're onto something. I
think Apple is amazing at mark marketing to you, the
person who just bought a brand new phone, why you
need a new one? I think that's really what it
comes down to is even though your phone is perfectly fine,
and like I'm saying, the phone from twenty eighteen is
still going to be supported with software updates this year,
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you still want a new phone because of that idea
that there's something that this new phone does that yours doesn't.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Now is it going to do Is it going to
be faster? Absolutely? Is the camera going to be better? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Do ninety nine point nine percent of people have a
phone in their pocket that works just fine for calls
and texting. Probably, But you know, there is this idea
that you see this this unwavering marketing everywhere from Apple,
and it just goes to drive home that message that
you need a new phone every single year when the
new one comes out, that's I will give you that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Are they as profitable as they have been in the past.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I think the iPhone sales have been slipping just a
little bit, and Apple is realizing that they can't bet
their entire future on the iPhone because while it's still
a very good thing for them, their services, which is
the money people pay to store things in iCloud and
all that other stuff that happens there, that is the
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growth area for Apple, which is just completely wild.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
They call it. They call it services.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, of course they do.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
In my world, the only person I know that uses
Android one person of all the people I know is
my daughter, one of my daughters. Everybody else, everybody else
I know uses iPhones, and based on my experience, I
would think that iPhones just kick the crap out of
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everybody else.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But I guess market wise maybe not.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well in the US. I mean, it depends where you're
looking worldwide. You know, Android obviously has a larger market share.
Here in Los Angeles, it seems like the market share
is huge for Apple, and that of course has to
do with the entertainment industry and creative professionals. They really
gravitate towards the iPhone, and just in my experience, I
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will tell you when I look around, yeah, i'd say
that eighty percent of the phones I see our iPhone.
And yes, there are some Androids out there, but a
lot of that is iPhone has had a consistent message
for many years, and they also control the phone from
the start to finish, the software, the hardware, every aspect
of it. The marketing and the carriers are largely hands off,
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and so is third party stuff. With Android, it's very different.
You can pick a different pair of headphones, you can
pick a different phone, you can pick a different software.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It's much more customizable.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And so people that are, you know, gravitate towards their
kind of running their.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Own way have always liked Android.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But I see it I've coming together a little bit
more now where people I think, especially with iOS eighteen
and the messaging situation getting cleaned up, I think people
are going to feel a lot more secure in having
an Android because they can message with an iPhone and
it's going to be just fine.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Pavel d'uov one of the most interesting guys out there,
not that tech people aren't interesting, but he sort of
takes it to a new level.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And he founded Telegram.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
The app, and he was just arrested, and so let's
talk about that, because what a story that is.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean I use Telegram on
a daily basis. I know a lot of tech folks
that use Telegram. It's you know, it's kind of an
alternative to Facebook, Messenger or Signal or WhatsApp, but it's big.
It's big in various countries across the world. And one
of the things people like about it is that it
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is easy to use, it's free, and it works across borders.
But this CEO of Telegram, Pavel Durov, this is a
Russian born guy. He was arrested in France and basically
the French authorities are saying that things happen on Telegram
and Telegram does nothing to stop it. There's no moderation whatsoever.
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So we're talking money laundering, we're talking potential violations of
encryption and cryptography laws, gang activity, criminal organization, pornography, narcotics,
pretty much anything that people might want to do on
a platform that's unrestricted. They say this happens on Telegram.
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Now that's not to say that a lot of good
stuff doesn't happen there. But the problem is they want
this moderated, and Telegram says no, no, no free speech, and
we can't moderate this because we're not a social media platform.
We are a messaging platform. And tell you that's where
we stand.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
What is it now? Describe in detail what a messaging platform.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Is, Well, it's like I message. So imagine if you know,
an Apple actually you know, came under fire for wanting
to scan people's messages for you know, child pornography because
they said, hell, wait, hold on, why is Apple get
access to our messages? And so they actually pulled back
on their plans to do that. But the reality is
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private messaging. Messaging is only getting more private. Companies like
Apple are making it more private. WhatsApp end to end
encryption That means that nobody, including the company that makes
these apps, can read your messages. And the ironic part
is that Telegram is actually not end to end encrypted
by default, which means theoretically they could look at the
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messages that you are exchanging on that platform. So it's
a really interesting wide web here. But it all comes
down to I guess, encryption and privacy.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So that's the difference between Telegram and the other apps.
So otherwise they're basically all the same the messaging, it's
just the controls of the app with people using it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's like how much how far do they go to
kind of moderate what people are doing on this app.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, interesting, Elon Musk is backing a California AI safety bill,
and you would think he would be the last one
to do that.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So let's get into that for a second.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, it's interesting. You know, I just finished reading the
Walter Isaacson biography of Elon Musk, and you know, it's
it's interesting how Elon actually has a lot of hesitations
about AI and he's very worried about it, and and
this is this kind of goes along with that because
California is trying to vote in this AI safety bill,
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which basically requires companies that are doing big AI kind
of instances like open Ai and Anthropic and all these
different companies like Meta to test their models before they're released,
and also include a kill switch so if something goes wrong,
they can actually just shut the whole thing down instantly,
and they also would have to report to the state yearly,
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you know, with like kind of just make sure everything's
good and up on the up and up. A lot
of major companies, as you might imagine, Google, Meta, Open Ai,
they all oppose this because they say no, no, no, hold on,
you know, we want unfettered access to AI. We want
to launch this stuff fast, and we don't want to
fall behind other countries, including China that might leap frog
ahead of us if we start putting roadblocks in front
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of our AI. And the only two people that are
big that are in favor of this right now are
Elon Musk and the folks behind Claude, which is anthropic.
That's the company that I actually prefer for my AI bill. Meanwhile,
on my radio show over the weekend, we interviewed a
guy named Max Tegmark. He is a he's a big
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AI futurist, he's an MIT professor, and he actually said
on the show that he is very, very worried about
AI and he feels like California has taken the first
step to sort of create an FDA to regulate AI
with this bill, similar to how we regulate drug safety.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Okay, So Rich this Saturday from eleven to two with
his show following probably the best show on KFI, probably
in Los Angeles, probably in the country, maybe the world,
and possibly intergalactically.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And that's handle on the law.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Rich.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Now, I will we'll talk.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I listen to you Saturday morning, eleven to two, eleven
to two here at rich on Tech Instagram, rich on
Tech dot TV website, So a lot of places to
get hold of Rich all.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'll catch you over the weekend. Take care, rich Bill
all right, I have a question.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
This has to do with going to school.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Most of us have gone to school, particularly elementary school,
and they say junior high. So what's going on. Let
me tell you what the law is right now. And
that is particular.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
This is in public schools.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Under California law, a teacher if he or she is
being assaulted by a student, say student hits the teacher,
the teacher must call the police under law, and if not,
they actually can be prosecuted. So there's a bill going
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on right now in the Assembly that changes all that
and says no teacher makes the call. And it has
to do with teachers, and proponents of the bill saying.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
If the teachers can make the call, then the teachers
can deal with students that, for example, are acting out.
Now I love this. If a student hits a teacher.
There are people that say that's normal behavior for teenagers.
You go, wait a minute, that's normal behavior. And this
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has to.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Do with inner city schools.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Of course it does, and statistics are that kids or
inner city schools are arrested more often with the cops
showing up, and that means when you're arrested more often.
This is statistics, okay, because it follows and it makes sense.
Kids who are arrested do worse in high school, They
don't finish, they don't do as well in life. And
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I think they've got it a little bit wrong because
they're saying the problem is calling the cops. Teachers should
be able to deal with problem students and make the decision. Now,
the problem is not calling the cops. The problem is
why do the teachers call the cops. So, if I
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get this straight, the stat is that when the cops
are called, when law enforcement is called in under any circumstances,
not just assault, a kid acts out to the point
where it gets ridiculous and has to be removed, and
you've got security offers. They have to come in school
security officers, throw them out, arrest them. Possibly it's we've
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got to give a rehabilitative a position here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
We've got to help those kids, and we cannot call
the police. That's the problem because under law, they.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Have to be called and you go, wait a minute, Okay.
Number one is I'd really like to go why this happens?
Why does a teacher? Why must a teacher call the cops? Well,
because if a kid starts pummeling a teacher, you think
there's more than just a behavior problem here. Do you
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know when we went to school and Neil point this out.
When we went to school, the thought of some kid
hitting a teacher was just beyond comprehension.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
How does a kid hit a teacher? Well, we'll assault.
It's a crime. Yeah, it is a crime.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But the point is what this bill is saying that
it's the teacher that makes the call, not an undoes
the law that says the teacher must call the police.
And that is the difference because those that are proponents
of the bill says, we have to look at it
way differently. We have to look into the behavior problems.
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We have to look into why the student is doing this.
We have to go deeper because look at the students
where the cops are called, they do have behavior issues.
They do come from families that are broken up. They
do come from families that are not only broken but
poor and sometimes homeless, and so of course the kid
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is going to act out, so let's deal with that. Well,
law enforcement is going crazy, saying what are you talking about.
You know, you can figure out later whether the kid
needs help, doesn't need help, probably does, and you can
set up all the programs. But in the meantime, he
hits a teacher and we're going to arrest him for assault.
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Teachers have no leeway, and this bill says teachers have
a lot of leeway or yeah, this new bill, and
it is.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's actually pretty controversial.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
There was there's a teacher who was interviewed Zobema Basqueda.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
First year, she had a choice. She had students.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
One of her students difficulty controlling emotions, and one day
the student had a melt down and kicked Bascua Daniel down,
and the principal asked Busca Daniel, do you want me
to call the police? And it counted as an assault,
but the principal realized, we have.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
To call the police now.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The kid had moved in with her family after being
in and out of foster care, beginning to the process
for her disability, been working with the teacher for coping mechanisms,
and part of it is the kids started hitting the
teacher actually the point where the teacher went down, And
Basquanato said, the problem is not the hitting. The problem
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is where did the hitting come from? And there it goes.
That is your typical And I don't even know if
they're really connected. I guess in one sense it's looking
on either side of the coin. Assault is assault is
assault Now under the new law, if a student is
selling drugs, must call the cops.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
If a student has a weapon, must call the cops.
That doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
But the rest of it doesn't matter how far the
kid acts out, even to the point of beating up
a teacher, The teacher has a call, has the call
to make.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Is doesn't that add more problems? Bill in consistency? I mean,
isn't because what if one is so severe they feel
the need to call the cops and that person, Susan says,
they are separating me.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And yeah, and that's and that that is a very
good argument. I haven't. I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And the argument is, well, uh, and more minorities are
have the cops called on them, and more minorities are
affected by the police arrest of them, and therefore, any
law that discriminates and that's in quotes minorities. Okay, Well,
when you look at broken homes, when you look at
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people who don't have money and have a rough time
at home, if they have a home, it happens more
with people who don't in the inner.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
City, it does. I mean that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And I think people have to be treated in terms
of the police differently. They have to be given more
programs because they need them. I'm fine with that. More
money has to be invested in inner city schools in
terms of helping students. But man, you got to treat
everybody the same when they're act and I mean disrupting
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a class and beating up kids and beating up a teacher.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Now, I don't know if you've ever been to some
of the iconic eateries in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Philip's Guile Guitesca that I don't even know. How's that pronounced? Well, yeah,
I have no idea how it's pronounced.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
So Hawkin Restaurant on Olympic I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I've never been to it.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Pinks, certainly, it's a terrific restaurant.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Okay, Musso and Frank certainly.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So. I've been to most of those and also Langers
Langers Delicatessen in or at MacArthur Park.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And here is the issue.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It is truly one of the most iconic eateries in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It is wonderful. It's a deli.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's been around since nineteen forty seven. I have eaten
there several times.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I love the food. I will not go near MacArthur Park.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And the owner is saying that's the problem because MacArthur
Park basically has become one of the sketchiest and has
for years and years, the sketchiest, most dangerous places you
can go.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The lake at MacArthur Park.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's fun when they clean it and dredge it up
every couple of years.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Because of the body and the body.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Parts that are in it, as well as all the
garbage they pull out, the place is a god awful mess.
The drug dealing that goes on across the street from
Langers right there, I mean you can see drug dealers
and the homeless people and the trash. It's just it
is horrific. And here's why Norm Langer is saying, I'm
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going to shut it down. City won't do jack about it.
We need better lighting, we need better security, we need
law enforcement showing up. They have to clean the place up,
and the city, well, according to normal Langer doesn't do it.
And it's not just a restaurant deciding to close down.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
This is Langers.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I mean, this is, you know, one of the best
known delis, and it's known nationally.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
There's just certain things or the.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Carnegie Delly, for example in New York shut down, by
the way, that's gone, Lindy's.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't know if Linday is still around in New York.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I mean most of them have shut down because I
think people were having a tough time paying seventy three
dollars for a Postrami sandwich New York.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It is kind of nuts. So he is saying, the
city doesn't clean this up. I am gone.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Even the subway station, the MacArthur Park subway station, the
crime and the drugs there, it is dicey just getting
into it. Alley's Boy neighborhood alleys. According to normal Langer,
and this is true, you see bodies on top of
each other, completely passed out.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You can smell the fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Now, I didn't know that fentanyl smells a certain way,
but he says, and others have said you can actually
smell tell the stuff. There's a fog of everyone smoking.
They're walking around like the zombies. So it's what he
is is challenging the city. You know, how important, how
important is Langer's Deli? And the city has to decide
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do we spend the money or do we not? But
then what neighborhood does it not spend the money? That's
the problem. Municipalities never have enough money. All right, guys,
we are completely done and coming up its handle on
the law, marginal legal advice off the air, and there
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are no commercials, there are no breaks, there's no news
or traffic.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's just me and you.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So it's no news, no breaks, no patience on my part,
so as you can imagine, we go through it pretty quickly.
Also inviting you to listen to my new podcast which drops,
well it'll drop at nine o'clock in just a few
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it goes back far enough where people had dogs and
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AM six forty Bill Handle here Taco Tuesday, August twenty seven,
and it is as always at eight o'clock with Rich.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It is time for Tech Tuesday. Rich good morning, Hey,
good morning you Bill, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Okay, before we get started, I have to tell everybody
that Rich has heard every Saturday eleven am to two pm.
He's host of Rich on Tech on KFI. He's also
you can follow him on Instagram at rich on Tech website,
Richontech dot TV. And I have my contract in front
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of me. Let me see you anything.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yep, I did it all.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yay, yay.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You great negotiator with you you handle has to say
this stuff all right, Lots stuff going on and I
want to share it with you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
First of all, we've.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Got the Apple iPhone event that's set for September ninth,
and they do their own thing always, and the anticipation
is always pretty enormous, or maybe not anymore, because do
you expect anything new?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Is oras? It's all incremental that has been for the
last few years.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, I think it's been incremental, but this season there
actually is a renewed interest in smartphones because of AI,
and so we have seen due to upgrades that Samsung
has done extremely well with their new phones Pixel It's
too early to tell, but the reviews are excellent, including
mine of the Pixel nine. And now Apple they're doing
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something unique with their AI. They are only making it
available on the iPhone fifteen Pro models and up So
what that means is that a lot of people that
are going to start seeing everyone talking about the AI
features if they have an old phone, they are not
able to access those, so they're going to want to
upgrade to the iPhone sixteen model to get that. And
Apple is I think the best positioned both from a
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loyalty standpoint and a fomo standpoint where people are going
to want to upgrade this year. So it is exciting
from those aspects.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You know, I love Apple and their business model, and
that is they'll come out with a new model had
whatever feature, and the moment you buy it, it becomes
obsolete when the new one comes out a year from
now with new features. And for example, the charging cord,
you have to use theirs and it what they get
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away with is just astounding. Now do you remember when
Apple came out with the iPhone? I mean, that was
that was extraordinarily a game changer across the world.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Has there been anything like that since?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think, I you know, look, I think, and I
have to take a little bit of you know, I
take a little issue with the saying that the phone
is obsolete, because that's really not true anymore. I mean,
you're talking where when this when this new iPhone comes out,
iOS eighteen is also going to come out, and that's
the new software for the iPhones.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Okay, they are going.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
To support all the way back to iPhone ten R,
which was launched in twenty eighteen. So you know, you're talking,
that's a pretty decent span for a phone. Let's let
me let me make sure my math is right on that.
Let's see yeah, September twelfth, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
All right, let me rephrase that, because you're right, not obsolete,
because people do have older phones that still work.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Older phones mean being two months old, three months old.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The second you buy the phone, they already have in
mind the upgrade phone next year or two years from now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Is that legitimate to say?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Okay, yes, and I here here's what I think.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Here's how I'll.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Frame it, Bill, and I think you're onto something. I
think Apple is amazing at mark marketing to you, the
person who just bought a brand new phone, why you
need a new one? I think that's really what it
comes down to is even though your phone is perfectly fine,
and like I'm saying, the phone from twenty eighteen is
still going to be supported with software updates this year,
(04:16):
you still want a new phone because of that idea
that there's something that this new phone does that yours doesn't.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Now is it going to do Is it going to
be faster? Absolutely? Is the camera going to be better? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Do ninety nine point nine percent of people have a
phone in their pocket that works just fine for calls
and texting. Probably, But you know, there is this idea
that you see this this unwavering marketing everywhere from Apple,
and it just goes to drive home that message that
you need a new phone every single year when the
new one comes out, that's I will give you that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Are they as profitable as they have been in the past.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I think the iPhone sales have been slipping just a
little bit, and Apple is realizing that they can't bet
their entire future on the iPhone because while it's still
a very good thing for them, their services, which is
the money people pay to store things in iCloud and
all that other stuff that happens there, that is the
(05:16):
growth area for Apple, which is just completely wild.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
They call it. They call it services.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, of course they do.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
In my world, the only person I know that uses
Android one person of all the people I know is
my daughter, one of my daughters. Everybody else, everybody else
I know uses iPhones, and based on my experience, I
would think that iPhones just kick the crap out of
(05:46):
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But I guess market wise maybe not.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well in the US. I mean, it depends where you're
looking worldwide. You know, Android obviously has a larger market share.
Here in Los Angeles, it seems like the market share
is huge for Apple, and that of course has to
do with the entertainment industry and creative professionals. They really
gravitate towards the iPhone, and just in my experience, I
(06:10):
will tell you when I look around, yeah, i'd say
that eighty percent of the phones I see our iPhone.
And yes, there are some Androids out there, but a
lot of that is iPhone has had a consistent message
for many years, and they also control the phone from
the start to finish, the software, the hardware, every aspect
of it. The marketing and the carriers are largely hands off,
(06:33):
and so is third party stuff. With Android, it's very different.
You can pick a different pair of headphones, you can
pick a different phone, you can pick a different software.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It's much more customizable.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And so people that are, you know, gravitate towards their
kind of running their.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Own way have always liked Android.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But I see it I've coming together a little bit
more now where people I think, especially with iOS eighteen
and the messaging situation getting cleaned up, I think people
are going to feel a lot more secure in having
an Android because they can message with an iPhone and
it's going to be just fine.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Pavel d'uov one of the most interesting guys out there,
not that tech people aren't interesting, but he sort of
takes it to a new level.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And he founded Telegram.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
The app, and he was just arrested, and so let's
talk about that, because what a story that is.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean I use Telegram on
a daily basis. I know a lot of tech folks
that use Telegram. It's you know, it's kind of an
alternative to Facebook, Messenger or Signal or WhatsApp, but it's big.
It's big in various countries across the world. And one
of the things people like about it is that it
(07:45):
is easy to use, it's free, and it works across borders.
But this CEO of Telegram, Pavel Durov, this is a
Russian born guy. He was arrested in France and basically
the French authorities are saying that things happen on Telegram
and Telegram does nothing to stop it. There's no moderation whatsoever.
(08:07):
So we're talking money laundering, we're talking potential violations of
encryption and cryptography laws, gang activity, criminal organization, pornography, narcotics,
pretty much anything that people might want to do on
a platform that's unrestricted. They say this happens on Telegram.
(08:28):
Now that's not to say that a lot of good
stuff doesn't happen there. But the problem is they want
this moderated, and Telegram says no, no, no free speech, and
we can't moderate this because we're not a social media platform.
We are a messaging platform. And tell you that's where
we stand.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
What is it now? Describe in detail what a messaging platform.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Is, Well, it's like I message. So imagine if you know,
an Apple actually you know, came under fire for wanting
to scan people's messages for you know, child pornography because
they said, hell, wait, hold on, why is Apple get
access to our messages? And so they actually pulled back
on their plans to do that. But the reality is
(09:08):
private messaging. Messaging is only getting more private. Companies like
Apple are making it more private. WhatsApp end to end
encryption That means that nobody, including the company that makes
these apps, can read your messages. And the ironic part
is that Telegram is actually not end to end encrypted
by default, which means theoretically they could look at the
(09:28):
messages that you are exchanging on that platform. So it's
a really interesting wide web here. But it all comes
down to I guess, encryption and privacy.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So that's the difference between Telegram and the other apps.
So otherwise they're basically all the same the messaging, it's
just the controls of the app with people using it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's like how much how far do they go to
kind of moderate what people are doing on this app.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, interesting, Elon Musk is backing a California AI safety bill,
and you would think he would be the last one
to do that.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So let's get into that for a second.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, it's interesting. You know, I just finished reading the
Walter Isaacson biography of Elon Musk, and you know, it's
it's interesting how Elon actually has a lot of hesitations
about AI and he's very worried about it, and and
this is this kind of goes along with that because
California is trying to vote in this AI safety bill,
(10:34):
which basically requires companies that are doing big AI kind
of instances like open Ai and Anthropic and all these
different companies like Meta to test their models before they're released,
and also include a kill switch so if something goes wrong,
they can actually just shut the whole thing down instantly,
and they also would have to report to the state yearly,
(10:55):
you know, with like kind of just make sure everything's
good and up on the up and up. A lot
of major companies, as you might imagine, Google, Meta, Open Ai,
they all oppose this because they say no, no, no, hold on,
you know, we want unfettered access to AI. We want
to launch this stuff fast, and we don't want to
fall behind other countries, including China that might leap frog
ahead of us if we start putting roadblocks in front
(11:17):
of our AI. And the only two people that are
big that are in favor of this right now are
Elon Musk and the folks behind Claude, which is anthropic.
That's the company that I actually prefer for my AI bill. Meanwhile,
on my radio show over the weekend, we interviewed a
guy named Max Tegmark. He is a he's a big
(11:38):
AI futurist, he's an MIT professor, and he actually said
on the show that he is very, very worried about
AI and he feels like California has taken the first
step to sort of create an FDA to regulate AI
with this bill, similar to how we regulate drug safety.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Okay, So Rich this Saturday from eleven to two with
his show following probably the best show on KFI, probably
in Los Angeles, probably in the country, maybe the world,
and possibly intergalactically.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And that's handle on the law.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Rich.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Now, I will we'll talk.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I listen to you Saturday morning, eleven to two, eleven
to two here at rich on Tech Instagram, rich on
Tech dot TV website, So a lot of places to
get hold of Rich all.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'll catch you over the weekend. Take care, rich Bill
all right, I have a question.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
This has to do with going to school.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Most of us have gone to school, particularly elementary school,
and they say junior high. So what's going on. Let
me tell you what the law is right now. And
that is particular.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
This is in public schools.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Under California law, a teacher if he or she is
being assaulted by a student, say student hits the teacher,
the teacher must call the police under law, and if not,
they actually can be prosecuted. So there's a bill going
(13:28):
on right now in the Assembly that changes all that
and says no teacher makes the call. And it has
to do with teachers, and proponents of the bill saying.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
If the teachers can make the call, then the teachers
can deal with students that, for example, are acting out.
Now I love this. If a student hits a teacher.
There are people that say that's normal behavior for teenagers.
You go, wait a minute, that's normal behavior. And this
(14:02):
has to.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Do with inner city schools.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Of course it does, and statistics are that kids or
inner city schools are arrested more often with the cops
showing up, and that means when you're arrested more often.
This is statistics, okay, because it follows and it makes sense.
Kids who are arrested do worse in high school, They
don't finish, they don't do as well in life. And
(14:26):
I think they've got it a little bit wrong because
they're saying the problem is calling the cops. Teachers should
be able to deal with problem students and make the decision. Now,
the problem is not calling the cops. The problem is
why do the teachers call the cops. So, if I
(14:48):
get this straight, the stat is that when the cops
are called, when law enforcement is called in under any circumstances,
not just assault, a kid acts out to the point
where it gets ridiculous and has to be removed, and
you've got security offers. They have to come in school
security officers, throw them out, arrest them. Possibly it's we've
(15:10):
got to give a rehabilitative a position here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
We've got to help those kids, and we cannot call
the police. That's the problem because under law, they.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Have to be called and you go, wait a minute, Okay.
Number one is I'd really like to go why this happens?
Why does a teacher? Why must a teacher call the cops? Well,
because if a kid starts pummeling a teacher, you think
there's more than just a behavior problem here. Do you
(15:39):
know when we went to school and Neil point this out.
When we went to school, the thought of some kid
hitting a teacher was just beyond comprehension.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
How does a kid hit a teacher? Well, we'll assault.
It's a crime. Yeah, it is a crime.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But the point is what this bill is saying that
it's the teacher that makes the call, not an undoes
the law that says the teacher must call the police.
And that is the difference because those that are proponents
of the bill says, we have to look at it
way differently. We have to look into the behavior problems.
(16:21):
We have to look into why the student is doing this.
We have to go deeper because look at the students
where the cops are called, they do have behavior issues.
They do come from families that are broken up. They
do come from families that are not only broken but
poor and sometimes homeless, and so of course the kid
(16:43):
is going to act out, so let's deal with that. Well,
law enforcement is going crazy, saying what are you talking about.
You know, you can figure out later whether the kid
needs help, doesn't need help, probably does, and you can
set up all the programs. But in the meantime, he
hits a teacher and we're going to arrest him for assault.
(17:04):
Teachers have no leeway, and this bill says teachers have
a lot of leeway or yeah, this new bill, and
it is.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's actually pretty controversial.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
There was there's a teacher who was interviewed Zobema Basqueda.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
First year, she had a choice. She had students.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
One of her students difficulty controlling emotions, and one day
the student had a melt down and kicked Bascua Daniel down,
and the principal asked Busca Daniel, do you want me
to call the police? And it counted as an assault,
but the principal realized, we have.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
To call the police now.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The kid had moved in with her family after being
in and out of foster care, beginning to the process
for her disability, been working with the teacher for coping mechanisms,
and part of it is the kids started hitting the
teacher actually the point where the teacher went down, And
Basquanato said, the problem is not the hitting. The problem
(18:09):
is where did the hitting come from? And there it goes.
That is your typical And I don't even know if
they're really connected. I guess in one sense it's looking
on either side of the coin. Assault is assault is
assault Now under the new law, if a student is
selling drugs, must call the cops.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
If a student has a weapon, must call the cops.
That doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
But the rest of it doesn't matter how far the
kid acts out, even to the point of beating up
a teacher, The teacher has a call, has the call
to make.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Is doesn't that add more problems? Bill in consistency? I mean,
isn't because what if one is so severe they feel
the need to call the cops and that person, Susan says,
they are separating me.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And yeah, and that's and that that is a very
good argument. I haven't. I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And the argument is, well, uh, and more minorities are
have the cops called on them, and more minorities are
affected by the police arrest of them, and therefore, any
law that discriminates and that's in quotes minorities. Okay, Well,
when you look at broken homes, when you look at
(19:29):
people who don't have money and have a rough time
at home, if they have a home, it happens more
with people who don't in the inner.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
City, it does. I mean that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And I think people have to be treated in terms
of the police differently. They have to be given more
programs because they need them. I'm fine with that. More
money has to be invested in inner city schools in
terms of helping students. But man, you got to treat
everybody the same when they're act and I mean disrupting
(20:01):
a class and beating up kids and beating up a teacher.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Now, I don't know if you've ever been to some
of the iconic eateries in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Philip's Guile Guitesca that I don't even know. How's that pronounced? Well, yeah,
I have no idea how it's pronounced.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
So Hawkin Restaurant on Olympic I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I've never been to it.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Pinks, certainly, it's a terrific restaurant.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Okay, Musso and Frank certainly.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So. I've been to most of those and also Langers
Langers Delicatessen in or at MacArthur Park.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And here is the issue.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It is truly one of the most iconic eateries in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It is wonderful. It's a deli.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's been around since nineteen forty seven. I have eaten
there several times.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I love the food. I will not go near MacArthur Park.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And the owner is saying that's the problem because MacArthur
Park basically has become one of the sketchiest and has
for years and years, the sketchiest, most dangerous places you
can go.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The lake at MacArthur Park.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's fun when they clean it and dredge it up
every couple of years.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Because of the body and the body.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Parts that are in it, as well as all the
garbage they pull out, the place is a god awful mess.
The drug dealing that goes on across the street from
Langers right there, I mean you can see drug dealers
and the homeless people and the trash. It's just it
is horrific. And here's why Norm Langer is saying, I'm
(21:38):
going to shut it down. City won't do jack about it.
We need better lighting, we need better security, we need
law enforcement showing up. They have to clean the place up,
and the city, well, according to normal Langer doesn't do it.
And it's not just a restaurant deciding to close down.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
This is Langers.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I mean, this is, you know, one of the best
known delis, and it's known nationally.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
There's just certain things or the.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Carnegie Delly, for example in New York shut down, by
the way, that's gone, Lindy's.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't know if Linday is still around in New York.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I mean most of them have shut down because I
think people were having a tough time paying seventy three
dollars for a Postrami sandwich New York.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It is kind of nuts. So he is saying, the
city doesn't clean this up. I am gone.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Even the subway station, the MacArthur Park subway station, the
crime and the drugs there, it is dicey just getting
into it. Alley's Boy neighborhood alleys. According to normal Langer,
and this is true, you see bodies on top of
each other, completely passed out.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You can smell the fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Now, I didn't know that fentanyl smells a certain way,
but he says, and others have said you can actually
smell tell the stuff. There's a fog of everyone smoking.
They're walking around like the zombies. So it's what he
is is challenging the city. You know, how important, how
important is Langer's Deli? And the city has to decide
(23:15):
do we spend the money or do we not? But
then what neighborhood does it not spend the money? That's
the problem. Municipalities never have enough money. All right, guys,
we are completely done and coming up its handle on
the law, marginal legal advice off the air, and there
(23:37):
are no commercials, there are no breaks, there's no news
or traffic.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's just me and you.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So it's no news, no breaks, no patience on my part,
so as you can imagine, we go through it pretty quickly.
Also inviting you to listen to my new podcast which drops,
well it'll drop at nine o'clock in just a few
minutes every Tuesday and Thursday, new episode on Spotify, Apple,
(24:04):
iHeart and other places where you hear podcasts. And today's
podcast is all about dogs. You have a dog, I
have a dog. We go back to when man first
started domesticating dogs, or the other way around. I mean
it goes back far enough where people had dogs and
the people were walking on their knuckles and not.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Having any clothes.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So the history of us having dogs is it's really extraordinary.
So the number to call eight seven seven, five to
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fifty Back we come again tomorrow, Amy with wake up
call from five to six, and then she joins me
and Neil for the morning show. I say, guys, we're done,
(24:52):
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