February 19, 2025 • 22 mins
How COVID pushed a generation of young people to the right. Why don’t people dress up to go out anymore? Dr. Jim Keany, Co-Director of the Emergency Room at Mission Hospital in Mission Viejo, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about sperm cells carrying traces of childhood stress, AI brain decoder reading a persons thoughts, measles outbreak, and yogurt and colon cancer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listen Saints KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles
show on demand on the iHeartRadio f It is Aday, Wednesday,
February nineteenth. Some of the big stories we're looking at,
and this is a big one. President Trump president Putin
are expected to meet before the end of the month
discussing the ending of the war in Ukraine, which yesterday
(00:25):
President Trump said outright as a fact, Ukraine started.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The war and they could have ended it right from
the beginning. How I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I guess by seeding land that Putin wanted. It's just
so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So the United States is taking a one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Eighty degree turn as to what's going on with the
war in Ukraine. Okay, Now, the right wing has really
exploded around the country.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And who is going right wing?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The youth. Remember when we were young, when I was
in college, Man, we're all socialists. We're all communists. Hey,
I want the government to pay for everything.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I have no money.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Therefore, that's easy for me to say. Now as we
get older and we get things called jobs, and we
pay taxes, and all of a sudden we're looking at reality.
We have a little bit more conservative. Wait, a minute.
You know, I want to keep some of my money.
I don't want to pay for those people over there
that don't want to work. And therein lies the difference
(01:35):
naturally between the left and the right.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
The left loves poor people.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
The left wants to be all encompassing with social programs.
And the only reason they like the right or people
with money. When you have left wingers used to be liberal,
now they're progressives, and the only reason they like people
with money those that make large of money as they
pay lots of taxes, and with those lots of taxes,
(02:04):
these programs get funded. So that seemed to be the rule.
You know, young people left, older people right. Well, older
people have stayed right, Younger people moving in that direction.
In two thousand and eight, Barack Obama went to the
White House and a youth quake is what they're calling it.
(02:28):
Just overwhelming Hillary Clinton. She got huge numbers, by the way,
and Joe Biden got numbers in twenty twenty. But in
twenty twenty four, Trump actually closed the gap and all
of a sudden, voters under thirty, He lost by only
(02:50):
four points.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Obama. Well, let me put it this way.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Obama won points Hillary eighteen to twenty nine. She won
by eighteen points. Even Joe Biden won by twenty four points.
So what happens with President Trump fifty one to forty
seven margin with young people?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
He closed the gap. So why is this.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well a couple of.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Reasons on just the looking at it in common sense
is that for some reason, the Democrats with Joe Biden,
it was one of the most horrible run campaigns. Everybody
was so pissed at Joe Biden for staying in the race.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm gonna win, I'm gonna win, I'm gonna win, until.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He collapsed and disintegrated at the debate with Trump, and
then Kamala Harris picked up the nomination by default instead
of having a healthy run, which they didn't have time for.
So that's one of the reasons why the big loss.
The other one is in the midst of all this,
(04:04):
the Democrats lost track of who those young voters were
and how are young voters got into via the internet, And.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It was Trump who picked that up.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It was Trump who was able to utilize that tool.
And you know who put him into that tool baron
his son. His eighteen year old son said, Dad, you're
not going after enough young people, and Trump paid attention.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It was an eighteen year old.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Who was probably the best political advisor that Trump ever had,
his son, who happened to being nine foot eight.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
He's a very tough guy. Looked at him.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean, he towers over everybody, and he's obviously really
smart or certainly understand politics.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Everybody Nil Savedra Bill Handle Morning Show. He's having some
technical difficulty. So you've got me yay.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know, I a.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Couple times a year, I would go out and visit
my brother. He and his husband have a place out
in there in New York City, and I'd go and
I'd visit. And you go to you know, you go
out to dinner, or you go out to Broadway, and
people dress up. I mean not all the time, not one.
(05:32):
But on the East Coast. Maybe it's the weather, maybe
it's the attitude or the old school attitude of going
out to the theater, whatever it is, But more and
more here on the West Coast, when you go out,
it's no longer a formal attire. And I don't mean
super formal, I mean just dressing up at all. And
(05:53):
it seems that this like low down stuffle dress code
is now even making its way from the West coast
to the East coast.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But how did it start? You know?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
There it used to be that it was fun to
go out and to dress up and to you know,
enjoy yourself. I remember when I was first dating my
now wife, we would go to the ballet, or we
would go to yeah, you heard right, ConA. We'd go
to the ballet. We'd go to the ballet, we would
go to the opera. And there were times where I
(06:31):
would put on a tuxedo and she would put on
a nice dress and we'd go out and it was fun.
I mean, is it a pain, yeah, But there's something
about being dressed up to go out that makes I
think makes for a better experience. Now we've seen on
(06:53):
the food side of things, We've seen restaurants the you know,
white linen and the fans see high end restaurants kind
of go by the wayside. We don't have many of
them in Los Angeles anymore. So this lack of formality
or the even the interest in occasionwear is now starting
(07:17):
to have a little bit of a pushback. So these
it's not seen as just a fashion choice anymore, and
now it's seen as kind of this erosion of public
standards or you know, I was looking at something recently.
You know, I follow these Instagram accounts or whatever that
(07:40):
are the history of Los Angeles and they'll show this,
you know, film that has been you know, balance doesn't
have that speed that you know, four times fast speed
that makes it look you know, comedic all the time.
They slowed them down and they've colorized them. And I
(08:02):
was looking at people in Los Angeles. All the men
were in suits, and it doesn't it wasn't just a
class thing because you could tell that there were different
quality of suits. But they were all wearing fedoras, they
were wearing their ties. And I was looking at that,
and yeah, what is it a pain to go out? Yeah,
(08:23):
it's different, But there was something about society saying I'm
going to be out in public and because of that,
I'm going to dress for the part. Our very own
Tim Conway Junior, there're a thing when he does public
speaking or if he's going certain places, he puts on
a suit and tie out of respect for where he's going.
(08:44):
He's told stories many times about how flying we need
to go flying with his family as a kid, they
would all dress up.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That used to be a thing.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You couldn't get on an airplane without dressing up, and
now you're lucky if you get on an airplane and
people are wearing shoes and not putting them on your
arms or what have you. So this has taking place,
not all at once, it is an actual significant social
(09:17):
and cultural shift. And going back to the analogy of planes,
if you're in a plane, you're a pilot, and you're
off by one degree when you leave, that multiplies throughout
the flight, right that one degree becomes two, and then
it becomes four, and then it becomes eight because of
(09:39):
the trajectory has changed. And this is the same thing
that happens with our culture. If you make one change,
one tiny little degree of change that slowly throughout the
years becomes greater. Sue, as a parent, you're always thinking
of that because the line you start with is the
(10:00):
line the kids rebel again. So if you if you
don't start really conservative, and I don't mean that politically,
but conservative as a parent, you know, trying to keep
your kids in check, they're gonna rebel against a more
loose standard. So if you start at a four, they're
gonna rebel against a four and they're gonna be at
(10:22):
an eight. So if you start at a one, they're
gonna rebel at a four, they're gonna be at a four.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
That type of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And we've gotten to this place where we don't know
how to dress for occasions. We don't know how to
go out and show respect for not only yourself, but
for others. You're saying, I'm going out into the public,
which I don't own by myself. You own it, this
person owned, the neighbor owns it. I always joke that
(10:49):
you paint the outside of your house for your neighbors,
not for yourself, because they're the ones that have to.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Stare at it. Right.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So when you go out and you would dress nice,
you put on the hats, you put on the gloves.
I get that there was a lot of work to it,
and in that work comes expense. But back in the day,
they didn't have ten suits. I live in one hundred
(11:15):
and ten year old house. The closets are tiny because
you had your work clothes, you had your you know,
your gardening or home work clothes, and then you had
your church clothes. So it wasn't like people were rich
and buying all these things. It was that everyone would
(11:37):
have certain you know, attire for different things, and there
were all kinds of pamphlets and instructions on how to
tye ties, how to even buy shoes.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
In the nineteen.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Fifties, there was a pamphlet that was published by the
US Department of Agriculture that was actually entitled how to
buy Shoes. But slowly in the sixties, with protests and
the like, the formality has died off and we've lost
the art of you know, dressing you know, for others
(12:14):
and not just being comfortable for yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And it's that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Because now it's you know, you're paying probably way more
for jeans and a hoodie than people used to pay
for suits comparatively, So it's not just the cost of things,
it's just the dress code is gone.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh back in my day.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Actually it was gone by my day. But I do
look at the dress codes and think, man, we are
missing something, something about appreciating others, or going out and
dressing for an occasion that says this is special, or
those of you on stage or those of you cooking
for us, it means so much we're going to dress
up for the occasion. I think everything cycles back and
(12:59):
we may be going in that cycle now sixty live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Hey, everybody, it's the Bill
Handle Morning showed Neil Sevadri here.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Is Bill's having some technical issues? Or was it diarrhea?
What did he say? Maybe I misheard explosive? Oh okay,
fair enough? All right?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Now, every single Wednesday at eight thirty, we bring on
doctor Jim Keeney. He is the chief medical officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center there in the LBC.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Hey, doc, how are you good morning?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Neil?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, better than Handle apparently, but all is well. You know,
I know as a doctor you're often dealing with things
that you know are seen and unseen. This story kind
of blew my mind. That were that you can go
back to a sperm cell and see traces of things
(13:55):
that happened throughout the life of the individual who's carrying
the said sperm cell. So there's studies that are finding
traces of childhood stress in sperm cells.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Yes, it's true. It's crazy, isn't it, But it's true.
So epigenetics it's a relatively new field, right, It's been
around for decades, but it's a relatively burgeoning field right now, and.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
So let's talk about that.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Epigenetics means things that affect your DNA, but don't change it, right.
It affects how it's transcribed, how it because the way
DNA works, right, it's a blueprint for proteins. Those proteins
have different functions in the body. And so that's what
the purpose of your DNA is, to create proteins that
(14:43):
end up having functions throughout the body. If those proteins
aren't produced, then you won't have those functions, or if
those proteins are produced in excess or out of balance,
then you could have all kinds of medical conditions and
problems that can affect you. What we're finding is that
when we look at sperm cells and they do tests
(15:05):
or they do uh, you know, surveys of somebody's stress
level early in life, there's a correlation between certain epigenetic
abnormalities that will affect how DNA has expressed. And you
can still see that in the sperm cell, and that'll
be incorporated when that sperm cell, then you know, connects
(15:25):
with an egg that'll be incorporated into the new DNA
of the new individual.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So, okay, so my dad's childhood stress is passed on
to his seventy years in one form or another.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Yes, absolutely, And theoretically, I mean his his sperm was
produced by the DNA that was influenced by somebody else's stress.
So we got all the crazy from the Yeah, so
all the crazy goes back generations.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
It's a like kind of biblical proportions that the sins
of the Father visited on seven generations.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
This is why Deuteronomy slows down so much with all
the begats.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
They're just like, okay, that's all the stress. You know,
there was.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I was at the Orange County Fair or something years ago,
and you know how they do like the coat of
arms or whatever, or you give them your last name
and they tell you about your last name.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well, I was with my wife. She gave her last
name and they're they're like, oh, the family is rich
with this or that.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And then I gave him Savedra and the guy stopped
and he goes, you got a lot of crazy people
in your family, And I go yeah, why He's like, yeah,
it goes back for generally, like apparently the name and
that that makes sense now because it's from the crazy sperm.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, manifest in there. How how do you how
are they seeing it?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
It's a series of you know, like I guess digital
ones and o's. Are they seeing things that are turned
on or turned off in the sperm?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
That's exactly what they're saying. So there's a process on.
One process is called methylation. So when DNA methylation happens,
you end up with little snippets that either can or
cannot be transcribed. So, right, the way DNA works is
you have this messenger RNA, which is another it's another
form of DNA that carries it from the center the
(17:22):
nucleus of the cell out into where the machinery is
in the cell that produces proteins. So you need it
to be to be transcribed, taken taken across into the
cell and then the cell from the nucleus to the cell.
Then the cell starts producing these proteins. And if you're
say you're a brain cell and you're producing serotonin and
all of a sudden that's turned off, right, then you
(17:44):
have low serotonin levels.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And you have depression.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
And that's what a lot of these antidepressant drugs work
off of, is improving or increasing your level of serotonin
so you know that's that's one way. Another way is
there's a thing called small non coding RNA and those
can interfere, so you can carry that around in the
in the nucleus itself, and then the body is trying
(18:08):
to read the RNA when it got transcribed and moved
across and it's now interfering with these other epigenetic RNA
particles that are in yourself.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
That fascinates me, Like you were saying, with the depression,
it's the the uh, those serotonin re uptake inhibitors or
whatever that people are taking that are basically like having
a game of catch, right and trying to throw the
serotonin and nothing's catching it or whatever, and so they
you know, could pass that along so you get the
happy juice or whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Right right, And so it could be either the serotonin itself,
it could actually be the receptor itself. There is you
know that being produced.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, exactly fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
All right, doctor hang Tiger, we're talking with doctor Jim Keeney,
of course, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary's Medical
Center in Long Beach. Ai is everywhere, doc, we can't
get away from it now.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It seems that.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
It's bridging it between the digital and the human brain
is a thing of possibility and in this case, maybe
even reading a person's thoughts.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Do tell Yeah, absolutely, I mean AI is going to
change medicine in so many ways, right, It's going to
everything from diagnostic support, clinical decision making, administrative you know,
burden like documentation and scheduling.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And all this stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Precision medicine where we can kind of really specify what
somebody needs. So this is one of those areas now
where we can help humans who have had, say a stroke,
for example. I think people would probably my brain went
immediately to you know, nefarious, Okay, we can read your
mind and tell exactly what you're thinking. But really the
goal here and in this specific study was to look
(19:57):
at can we take people who can't speak a phasic
after a stroke and have this computer speak for them
and it turns out they can. What they did was
in the past, they've done these things where you have
to train up the AI with doing thirty forty hours
of reading a book in an MRI and then it
(20:17):
can figure it all out, but only for that individual.
This latest version now they can do it where they
train up the AI using certain individuals both looking at
just no audio videos like silent movies, and also looking
at video with audio involved, and they can translate that
(20:38):
to new patients. So now a new patient it might
not get it exact Like the example they gave was
somebody who said they had a job that they didn't
like and they wanted to find a new job, and
instead it said I find my job boring and I
don't like taking orders from other people. So it was close,
you know, but it's still got the concept in somebody
(21:00):
that it wasn't trained in.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
At the beginning each time for each individual patient. Now
it's kind of starting on second maybe third base.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Right right, and then and possibly you know, and this
is going to iterate over time and be better and better.
So and then as it as it connects to an individual,
I'm assuming that it'll also learn and get better and better.
So this could give the mute the ability to speak,
which would be amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well, I'm just thinking, I know, we all make it
about ourselves, but I'm thinking, if there's a way for
us to train it on Bill Handle, we might be
able to understand him when he speaks.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
It license in the first week.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It'll hron out all the malapropisms and all that. We're like, oh,
that's what he meant. All right, got to take my
shots at Bill.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Doc.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I know there's much more to get into.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
We're gonna have to maybe do this next week because
the RFK effect and pediatricians concerned about long lasting consequences
of him running the AHHS fascinates me.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And we'll have to get on that next week. But
I appreciate you take the time. Of course.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That's doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint
Mary Medical Center there in Long Beach, appreciates Doc, take care,
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
All right, Gary Shannon coming up next.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Don't forget they have LAPD chief Jim McDonald coming up
around ten thirty. Much to get to there, so go
know where. Bill will be back tomorrow morning starting at
six after Amy King and wake up Call, We'll see
you then. This is KFI and KOSTHD two Los Angeles, Orange.
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You're listen Saints KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles
show on demand on the iHeartRadio f It is Aday, Wednesday,
February nineteenth. Some of the big stories we're looking at,
and this is a big one. President Trump president Putin
are expected to meet before the end of the month
discussing the ending of the war in Ukraine, which yesterday
(00:25):
President Trump said outright as a fact, Ukraine started.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The war and they could have ended it right from
the beginning. How I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I guess by seeding land that Putin wanted. It's just
so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So the United States is taking a one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Eighty degree turn as to what's going on with the
war in Ukraine. Okay, Now, the right wing has really
exploded around the country.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And who is going right wing?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The youth. Remember when we were young, when I was
in college, Man, we're all socialists. We're all communists. Hey,
I want the government to pay for everything.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I have no money.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Therefore, that's easy for me to say. Now as we
get older and we get things called jobs, and we
pay taxes, and all of a sudden we're looking at reality.
We have a little bit more conservative. Wait, a minute.
You know, I want to keep some of my money.
I don't want to pay for those people over there
that don't want to work. And therein lies the difference
(01:35):
naturally between the left and the right.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
The left loves poor people.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
The left wants to be all encompassing with social programs.
And the only reason they like the right or people
with money. When you have left wingers used to be liberal,
now they're progressives, and the only reason they like people
with money those that make large of money as they
pay lots of taxes, and with those lots of taxes,
(02:04):
these programs get funded. So that seemed to be the rule.
You know, young people left, older people right. Well, older
people have stayed right, Younger people moving in that direction.
In two thousand and eight, Barack Obama went to the
White House and a youth quake is what they're calling it.
(02:28):
Just overwhelming Hillary Clinton. She got huge numbers, by the way,
and Joe Biden got numbers in twenty twenty. But in
twenty twenty four, Trump actually closed the gap and all
of a sudden, voters under thirty, He lost by only
(02:50):
four points.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Obama. Well, let me put it this way.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Obama won points Hillary eighteen to twenty nine. She won
by eighteen points. Even Joe Biden won by twenty four points.
So what happens with President Trump fifty one to forty
seven margin with young people?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
He closed the gap. So why is this.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well a couple of.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Reasons on just the looking at it in common sense
is that for some reason, the Democrats with Joe Biden,
it was one of the most horrible run campaigns. Everybody
was so pissed at Joe Biden for staying in the race.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm gonna win, I'm gonna win, I'm gonna win, until.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He collapsed and disintegrated at the debate with Trump, and
then Kamala Harris picked up the nomination by default instead
of having a healthy run, which they didn't have time for.
So that's one of the reasons why the big loss.
The other one is in the midst of all this,
(04:04):
the Democrats lost track of who those young voters were
and how are young voters got into via the internet, And.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It was Trump who picked that up.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It was Trump who was able to utilize that tool.
And you know who put him into that tool baron
his son. His eighteen year old son said, Dad, you're
not going after enough young people, and Trump paid attention.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It was an eighteen year old.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Who was probably the best political advisor that Trump ever had,
his son, who happened to being nine foot eight.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
He's a very tough guy. Looked at him.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean, he towers over everybody, and he's obviously really
smart or certainly understand politics.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Everybody Nil Savedra Bill Handle Morning Show. He's having some
technical difficulty. So you've got me yay.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know, I a.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Couple times a year, I would go out and visit
my brother. He and his husband have a place out
in there in New York City, and I'd go and
I'd visit. And you go to you know, you go
out to dinner, or you go out to Broadway, and
people dress up. I mean not all the time, not one.
(05:32):
But on the East Coast. Maybe it's the weather, maybe
it's the attitude or the old school attitude of going
out to the theater, whatever it is, But more and
more here on the West Coast, when you go out,
it's no longer a formal attire. And I don't mean
super formal, I mean just dressing up at all. And
(05:53):
it seems that this like low down stuffle dress code
is now even making its way from the West coast
to the East coast.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But how did it start? You know?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
There it used to be that it was fun to
go out and to dress up and to you know,
enjoy yourself. I remember when I was first dating my
now wife, we would go to the ballet, or we
would go to yeah, you heard right, ConA. We'd go
to the ballet. We'd go to the ballet, we would
go to the opera. And there were times where I
(06:31):
would put on a tuxedo and she would put on
a nice dress and we'd go out and it was fun.
I mean, is it a pain, yeah, But there's something
about being dressed up to go out that makes I
think makes for a better experience. Now we've seen on
(06:53):
the food side of things, We've seen restaurants the you know,
white linen and the fans see high end restaurants kind
of go by the wayside. We don't have many of
them in Los Angeles anymore. So this lack of formality
or the even the interest in occasionwear is now starting
(07:17):
to have a little bit of a pushback. So these
it's not seen as just a fashion choice anymore, and
now it's seen as kind of this erosion of public
standards or you know, I was looking at something recently.
You know, I follow these Instagram accounts or whatever that
(07:40):
are the history of Los Angeles and they'll show this,
you know, film that has been you know, balance doesn't
have that speed that you know, four times fast speed
that makes it look you know, comedic all the time.
They slowed them down and they've colorized them. And I
(08:02):
was looking at people in Los Angeles. All the men
were in suits, and it doesn't it wasn't just a
class thing because you could tell that there were different
quality of suits. But they were all wearing fedoras, they
were wearing their ties. And I was looking at that,
and yeah, what is it a pain to go out? Yeah,
(08:23):
it's different, But there was something about society saying I'm
going to be out in public and because of that,
I'm going to dress for the part. Our very own
Tim Conway Junior, there're a thing when he does public
speaking or if he's going certain places, he puts on
a suit and tie out of respect for where he's going.
(08:44):
He's told stories many times about how flying we need
to go flying with his family as a kid, they
would all dress up.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That used to be a thing.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You couldn't get on an airplane without dressing up, and
now you're lucky if you get on an airplane and
people are wearing shoes and not putting them on your
arms or what have you. So this has taking place,
not all at once, it is an actual significant social
(09:17):
and cultural shift. And going back to the analogy of planes,
if you're in a plane, you're a pilot, and you're
off by one degree when you leave, that multiplies throughout
the flight, right that one degree becomes two, and then
it becomes four, and then it becomes eight because of
(09:39):
the trajectory has changed. And this is the same thing
that happens with our culture. If you make one change,
one tiny little degree of change that slowly throughout the
years becomes greater. Sue, as a parent, you're always thinking
of that because the line you start with is the
(10:00):
line the kids rebel again. So if you if you
don't start really conservative, and I don't mean that politically,
but conservative as a parent, you know, trying to keep
your kids in check, they're gonna rebel against a more
loose standard. So if you start at a four, they're
gonna rebel against a four and they're gonna be at
(10:22):
an eight. So if you start at a one, they're
gonna rebel at a four, they're gonna be at a four.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
That type of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And we've gotten to this place where we don't know
how to dress for occasions. We don't know how to
go out and show respect for not only yourself, but
for others. You're saying, I'm going out into the public,
which I don't own by myself. You own it, this
person owned, the neighbor owns it. I always joke that
(10:49):
you paint the outside of your house for your neighbors,
not for yourself, because they're the ones that have to.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Stare at it. Right.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So when you go out and you would dress nice,
you put on the hats, you put on the gloves.
I get that there was a lot of work to it,
and in that work comes expense. But back in the day,
they didn't have ten suits. I live in one hundred
(11:15):
and ten year old house. The closets are tiny because
you had your work clothes, you had your you know,
your gardening or home work clothes, and then you had
your church clothes. So it wasn't like people were rich
and buying all these things. It was that everyone would
(11:37):
have certain you know, attire for different things, and there
were all kinds of pamphlets and instructions on how to
tye ties, how to even buy shoes.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
In the nineteen.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Fifties, there was a pamphlet that was published by the
US Department of Agriculture that was actually entitled how to
buy Shoes. But slowly in the sixties, with protests and
the like, the formality has died off and we've lost
the art of you know, dressing you know, for others
(12:14):
and not just being comfortable for yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And it's that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Because now it's you know, you're paying probably way more
for jeans and a hoodie than people used to pay
for suits comparatively, So it's not just the cost of things,
it's just the dress code is gone.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh back in my day.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Actually it was gone by my day. But I do
look at the dress codes and think, man, we are
missing something, something about appreciating others, or going out and
dressing for an occasion that says this is special, or
those of you on stage or those of you cooking
for us, it means so much we're going to dress
up for the occasion. I think everything cycles back and
(12:59):
we may be going in that cycle now sixty live
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Handle Morning showed Neil Sevadri here.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Is Bill's having some technical issues? Or was it diarrhea?
What did he say? Maybe I misheard explosive? Oh okay,
fair enough? All right?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Now, every single Wednesday at eight thirty, we bring on
doctor Jim Keeney. He is the chief medical officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center there in the LBC.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Hey, doc, how are you good morning?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Neil?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, better than Handle apparently, but all is well. You know,
I know as a doctor you're often dealing with things
that you know are seen and unseen. This story kind
of blew my mind. That were that you can go
back to a sperm cell and see traces of things
(13:55):
that happened throughout the life of the individual who's carrying
the said sperm cell. So there's studies that are finding
traces of childhood stress in sperm cells.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Yes, it's true. It's crazy, isn't it, But it's true.
So epigenetics it's a relatively new field, right, It's been
around for decades, but it's a relatively burgeoning field right now, and.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
So let's talk about that.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Epigenetics means things that affect your DNA, but don't change it, right.
It affects how it's transcribed, how it because the way
DNA works, right, it's a blueprint for proteins. Those proteins
have different functions in the body. And so that's what
the purpose of your DNA is, to create proteins that
(14:43):
end up having functions throughout the body. If those proteins
aren't produced, then you won't have those functions, or if
those proteins are produced in excess or out of balance,
then you could have all kinds of medical conditions and
problems that can affect you. What we're finding is that
when we look at sperm cells and they do tests
(15:05):
or they do uh, you know, surveys of somebody's stress
level early in life, there's a correlation between certain epigenetic
abnormalities that will affect how DNA has expressed. And you
can still see that in the sperm cell, and that'll
be incorporated when that sperm cell, then you know, connects
(15:25):
with an egg that'll be incorporated into the new DNA
of the new individual.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So, okay, so my dad's childhood stress is passed on
to his seventy years in one form or another.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Yes, absolutely, And theoretically, I mean his his sperm was
produced by the DNA that was influenced by somebody else's stress.
So we got all the crazy from the Yeah, so
all the crazy goes back generations.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
It's a like kind of biblical proportions that the sins
of the Father visited on seven generations.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
This is why Deuteronomy slows down so much with all
the begats.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
They're just like, okay, that's all the stress. You know,
there was.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I was at the Orange County Fair or something years ago,
and you know how they do like the coat of
arms or whatever, or you give them your last name
and they tell you about your last name.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well, I was with my wife. She gave her last
name and they're they're like, oh, the family is rich
with this or that.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And then I gave him Savedra and the guy stopped
and he goes, you got a lot of crazy people
in your family, And I go yeah, why He's like, yeah,
it goes back for generally, like apparently the name and
that that makes sense now because it's from the crazy sperm.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, manifest in there. How how do you how
are they seeing it?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
It's a series of you know, like I guess digital
ones and o's. Are they seeing things that are turned
on or turned off in the sperm?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
That's exactly what they're saying. So there's a process on.
One process is called methylation. So when DNA methylation happens,
you end up with little snippets that either can or
cannot be transcribed. So, right, the way DNA works is
you have this messenger RNA, which is another it's another
form of DNA that carries it from the center the
(17:22):
nucleus of the cell out into where the machinery is
in the cell that produces proteins. So you need it
to be to be transcribed, taken taken across into the
cell and then the cell from the nucleus to the cell.
Then the cell starts producing these proteins. And if you're
say you're a brain cell and you're producing serotonin and
all of a sudden that's turned off, right, then you
(17:44):
have low serotonin levels.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And you have depression.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
And that's what a lot of these antidepressant drugs work
off of, is improving or increasing your level of serotonin
so you know that's that's one way. Another way is
there's a thing called small non coding RNA and those
can interfere, so you can carry that around in the
in the nucleus itself, and then the body is trying
(18:08):
to read the RNA when it got transcribed and moved
across and it's now interfering with these other epigenetic RNA
particles that are in yourself.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
That fascinates me, Like you were saying, with the depression,
it's the the uh, those serotonin re uptake inhibitors or
whatever that people are taking that are basically like having
a game of catch, right and trying to throw the
serotonin and nothing's catching it or whatever, and so they
you know, could pass that along so you get the
happy juice or whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Right right, And so it could be either the serotonin itself,
it could actually be the receptor itself. There is you
know that being produced.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, exactly fascinates me.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
All right, doctor hang Tiger, we're talking with doctor Jim Keeney,
of course, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary's Medical
Center in Long Beach. Ai is everywhere, doc, we can't
get away from it now.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It seems that.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
It's bridging it between the digital and the human brain
is a thing of possibility and in this case, maybe
even reading a person's thoughts.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Do tell Yeah, absolutely, I mean AI is going to
change medicine in so many ways, right, It's going to
everything from diagnostic support, clinical decision making, administrative you know,
burden like documentation and scheduling.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And all this stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Precision medicine where we can kind of really specify what
somebody needs. So this is one of those areas now
where we can help humans who have had, say a stroke,
for example. I think people would probably my brain went
immediately to you know, nefarious, Okay, we can read your
mind and tell exactly what you're thinking. But really the
goal here and in this specific study was to look
(19:57):
at can we take people who can't speak a phasic
after a stroke and have this computer speak for them
and it turns out they can. What they did was
in the past, they've done these things where you have
to train up the AI with doing thirty forty hours
of reading a book in an MRI and then it
(20:17):
can figure it all out, but only for that individual.
This latest version now they can do it where they
train up the AI using certain individuals both looking at
just no audio videos like silent movies, and also looking
at video with audio involved, and they can translate that
(20:38):
to new patients. So now a new patient it might
not get it exact Like the example they gave was
somebody who said they had a job that they didn't
like and they wanted to find a new job, and
instead it said I find my job boring and I
don't like taking orders from other people. So it was close,
you know, but it's still got the concept in somebody
(21:00):
that it wasn't trained in.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
At the beginning each time for each individual patient. Now
it's kind of starting on second maybe third base.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Right right, and then and possibly you know, and this
is going to iterate over time and be better and better.
So and then as it as it connects to an individual,
I'm assuming that it'll also learn and get better and better.
So this could give the mute the ability to speak,
which would be amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well, I'm just thinking, I know, we all make it
about ourselves, but I'm thinking, if there's a way for
us to train it on Bill Handle, we might be
able to understand him when he speaks.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
It license in the first week.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It'll hron out all the malapropisms and all that. We're like, oh,
that's what he meant. All right, got to take my
shots at Bill.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Doc.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I know there's much more to get into.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
We're gonna have to maybe do this next week because
the RFK effect and pediatricians concerned about long lasting consequences
of him running the AHHS fascinates me.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And we'll have to get on that next week. But
I appreciate you take the time. Of course.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
That's doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint
Mary Medical Center there in Long Beach, appreciates Doc, take care,
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
All right, Gary Shannon coming up next.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Don't forget they have LAPD chief Jim McDonald coming up
around ten thirty. Much to get to there, so go
know where. Bill will be back tomorrow morning starting at
six after Amy King and wake up Call, We'll see
you then. This is KFI and KOSTHD two Los Angeles, Orange.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
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