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March 28, 2025 29 mins
(March 28, 2025)
Amy King and joins Chris Merrill who is hosting Handel on the News all week. Senior Trump officials ordered to preserve Signal group chat. Bangkok declared ‘emergency zone’ as powerful 7.7 magnitude quake hits Myanmar with tremors felt across the region. Trump says US will ‘go as far as we have to’ to get control of Greenland. Concerns about Hegseth’s judgement come roaring back after group chat scandal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
And now Handle on the news.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Ladies and gentlemen, here's not Bill Handle, anybody, friends.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
The long National Nightmare is nearly over. Neil Savedra returns
next week to take over hosting duties and then I
ski daddle Chris Merrill in for Bill one last time
this morning. It is as always an honor. I just
absolutely adore this this crew. I mean, you guys are
fantastic producer and is amazing. Kno is one of the

(00:45):
best at his job. And who doesn't love hearing Amy
King's voice every morning when they wake up? Just just
a wild brane to be a part of this.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
We're gonna miss Okay, you can come back.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
You're very thank you. That's all I was looking for. Really,
just wanted to return, invite. That's it. So, guys, thanks
so much for letting me play here this last week
and a half or whatever. It's been a blast. But
I am ready for a vacation myself, so I'm gonna
I'm gonna take that and indulge just a little bit
in some free time, which I don't know about you,
but free time for me. Means I've got a whole

(01:16):
list of chores I have to catch up on. So
there's gonna be a lot of yard work, little home repair,
that kind of stuff this next week. Whatever's on the
honeydew list, this is my chance to knock it out.
So good stuff. Somebody who's probably looking for a vacation
right about now is Pete Hegsiff, but he's not going
to get one. That is the Secretary of Defense. A
federal judge is now ordering that White House officials that

(01:38):
were involved in that signal app group chat on the
military strikes and Yemen, they're supposed to preserve their messages. Now.
The US District Court Judge James Boseburg, seems like we've
heard that name before, has now ordered members of President
Donald Trump's National security team to hang out to those messages.
We're gonna want to see those.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Get a signed to this to this again. Is it
supposed to be a random pick of judges?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
It is, Yeah, which I think kind of goes to
show just how many cases are flying through the district
courts in DC right now.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
So you think it was a random.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Choice, I do, Yeah, I do that he just.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Happened to get two Trump cases back to back.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, and here, let me make this point in the
same way that Aileen Cannon ended up on two Trump
cases back to back in Florida, that district court judge,
right that, I.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Don't think that was random.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh I love this. Oh, go on with your conspiracies.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Girl, Friday Morning conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
All right. So during the during the Biden administration, Trump
got the judge of choice, but during the Trump administration
he's not getting of the judges.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's fixed on both sides, but.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
It seems to be always fixed against whoever's in the
White House. How does that happen?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Well, it's fixed. I'm just joging, I'm just king.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. So, anyway, there was a lawsuit that was filed
by American Oversight. They alleged the officials use of the
signal app violated federal records laws. A little bit later
on today, in fact, I think we may even have
some of this in the handle on the news and
that is that you know Mayor Bass's text messages during
the LA fires. She was like, Oh, my phone just

(03:22):
deleted those. How does that happen? This technology? This is
so wild. How was I even supposed to figure this out?
And she's been told no, no, you got to hang
onto those things for a couple of years. You can't go,
you can't go deleting them. And then lo and behold,
we're able to recover her messages. The signal app does
delete messages after a certain period of time, and so

(03:45):
what the judge is saying is, Nope, if you've got
to do screenshots or whatever you have to do, you
preserve those messages. Well, fortunately for the Department of Defense,
the National Security Advisors, for everybody else that's involved, the
Vice pro is it, the Secretary of State, the Atlantic
has gone ahead and screenshot at all of those things.
So it shouldn't be too tough to preserve those messages

(04:07):
because well they gave journalists and access to it. Well
you got that going forward.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
You got to know that again that the guy Goldberg
who got him. Of course he's going to make a
copy of them to preserve for eternity immediately in case
something happens.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
So I happened to see in some of the trades
there was reaction. As you know, talk radio is about
ninety five percent right wing talk, and one of the
questions was, what would happen if you were added to
that text, and some of them said, well, I'd like
to think that I would notify everybody in the chat

(04:44):
that I shouldn't be there. But Amy, if that were
you from a journalist stamp, because you're the closest thing
to a journalist we have from a journalist standpoint, Lord
knows it ain't me, would you notify, hey, everybody, I'm
not supposed to be in here, Or as a journalist,
would you start screenshotting and start saving things for posterity,

(05:05):
for for potential legal challenges, for anything, to cover your
own butt.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
It's interesting that you ask, because we were just talking
about this last night and we were talking about how
as journalists and when you have relationships with different people,
you know, sometimes you get information that you're not supposed
to share and they say, well, we'll tell you, but
you can't.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
You can't let this out.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
And you know, I the record or embarga off the.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Record, embargoed whatever, and I have. I've had some really
great secrets. So that's why when people say can you
keep a secret, I'm like, yeah, I have a lot.
So I don't know, though, how you necessarily handle that
if you get invited in I would again I would
like to think that I would reach out to whoever
started and go, hey, guys, I don't I don't think
I'm supposed to be in here.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Not me.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
You'd keep it, Oh, I would keep it.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I'd be like, this is going to be the greatest
story ever. I am on the verge of disclosing the
greatest screw up in decades. This is wonderful. But to
his credit, this this Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic, he
didn't out them while operations were going on. I mean

(06:15):
if he had said, if he had published something while
the attacks were being planned, that would have that would
have put troops in danger, wouldn't it. That would have
put pilots.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
In So there was some restraint there. That was good.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
That would have been then a threat to national security.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
And you know my prediction about somebody is going to
lose their job over this, and I said, oh, somebody's
gonna lose their job. And then I said, oh, you
know what. The next day, Trump came out and said, no,
everybody's great, we all learned our lessons. And I said, oh,
I might not. I'm kind of edging up back toward
the somebody might lose their job on this who I
don't know. There's a lot of behind the scenes, is

(06:52):
what I'm hearing about. Hegsith right now that he's he's
screwed a few things up, But I still think I
still think Mike Wilt that National Security advisor.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Because he's the one who started the chat or his office.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Invited him that. I mean, he's the one that screwed
things up. I had this. It's funny you were I
don't know who you were talking to last night as
you were debating the the the media ethics of the
whole situation, I was debating the reality TV of the
whole situation. If this were the apprentice, who would Trump fire?

(07:25):
If they all had to gather in that boardroom and
somebody had to be dismissed, who would Trump fire? Would
he get rid of Hegsith for, you know, disclosing the
information using his personal cell phone, which is something of course,
it was railed against when it came to Hillary Clinton.
Would he would he bag Hegxith? Or would he say
But this ultimately comes down to you, Waltz. You're the
guy that started this whole thing. If it hadn't been

(07:47):
for you, then nobody else would have been would have
been wrapped up in this, and for that reason, you're fired.
Who would he have fired on his show? That's what
I was debating in my head. And then then I
had a drink and I watched White Lotus, So that
was my night. Yep, all right to you?

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Uh, ap is Oh wait, nope, I'm going back. Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
This this one was felt all the way into China.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
A big old earthquake hit in me and mar happened
around midday local time. It collapsed buildings hundreds of miles
away in Thailand.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Away in Thailand.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
They are saying that rural villages.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Are super affected everywhere from you know, like just small
towns to glitzy high rises. And there's video of it
and it says when the shaking started, you could see
the building swaying. Traffic came to a stop, and they
said it was felt as far away as China.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Wow, A seven seven.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Seven seven, that's that's what with the Northwich north Ridge
was seven two seven one.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I wasn't here in that, Yeah, yeah, I mean wow, yeah,
and so far they really felt this so far away.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah. They're saying that they have confirmed three people have
been killed, nineties are missing, and they're saying that there's
from the building collapses, there's people trapped in debris and stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Oh no, oh yeah. When you hear those initial reports
and they say three people are lost, and you go,
well that number is gonna grow. Oh man, that is horrible.
And uh do you know I worked for the guy
in San Diego and he used to swear he could
feel everything. There'd be there would be a tremor in

(09:37):
Indio and he'd come into working on I felt it.
I felt that one. So you know, there's somebody that's
uh it's in Tokyo. That was like I think I
felt that too, you know, I think I felt it.
Somebody is saying that that is wild seven to seven.
And then, like you said, Myanmar and into Bangkok too, right,
they were feeling it and they had damn it was

(09:59):
it damage in Bangkok as well.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, wow, yeah, and it's this is all. It happened
midday local time, so we're still we're getting information and
it started as always, it's a little slow to come
in when big things like this happen.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, remember too, you've got to you've got a very
you have pockets there as you mentioned you've got some
glitzy high rises, but you've got pockets of some very
poor villages and so people that have been devastated by
some of the bloody battles that have gone on. The
economy is trash and they are literally just trying to survive,
and then they get hit with this earthquake, which you know,

(10:38):
God hates them, I guess is the only the only
conclusion we can come up with President Donald Trump saying
the United States is gonna go as far as we
have to. We're gonna go as far as we have
to go to get control of Greenland. If you'll recall
Vice President J. D. Vance is headed there today. Uh
he second Lady Usha Vance. I keep saying her name

(10:59):
wrong too, So my hologies on that. And Energy Secretary
Chris Wright is going to leave the United States delegation
lead excuse me, the delegation to visit the military base
in oh Is that a swear word pit to fit?
I don't speak Greenlandese, and I'm afraid of that. That's

(11:20):
a curse word in English. Anyway, they are scaling back
their plants for the broader and longer visit, mostly because
Greenland said, we don't want you here. They were going
to go to the capital and they will not. They
were going to visit the Greenland and capital and then
also take in a dog sled race, because that's what
you do in Greenland. Trump showing no indication of softening

(11:41):
is ambition to take control of the island, which of
course is a territory of Denmark. Trump saying we need
Greenland for national security and international security. This flies in
the face of the non interventionalist, more isolationist pitch that
we got during the campaign. We're going to not be

(12:02):
involved in other people's wars. We are not going to
be sending our military abroad. But instead we're saying we
are sending our military abroad to pick fights. So how
much when he says we'll go as far as we
have to go, are we dispatching our own military to
Greenland beyond, of course the military that's already stationed there.

(12:23):
Trump says, I view it from a security standpoint, we
have to be there. Well, we are there, we do
have a base there. But do we need to take
their rare earth minerals. That's the question that we're all
facing right now. That's the question that the administration is considering,
and that's the question that we want answered as observers
of how our politicians behave Amy King.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
AP says it's locked out. A veteran AP photographer and
White House correspondent testified yesterday that AP has struggled to
compete in its average of the Trump presidency since the
White House's decision to limit its access to presidential events,
the Oval Office and Air Force One. She said they're

(13:11):
really struggling to keep up with its competitors, particularly during
major news events that have happened during the opening weeks
of President Trump's second term.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, what's the endgame on this one? Is it to
bolster media that is friendly to the president. I mean
that's on the surfaces what people say AP was mean
to him. AP won't call it the Gulf of America.
So AP is going to pay the price. And AP
is saying we can't keep up with our competitors. On
the other hand, if you were some of the competitors,

(13:42):
you may have been saying, we can't possibly get a
foot in the door because AP is taking all of
the They're taking up all the seats, right, always the reporters, right,
they always get a seat, right, And so you have
others that have said, well, that's that's an unfair disadvantage
to us, because AP is all granted this seat. And
now the AP is saying, well, this is unfair to

(14:03):
us because we can't have the access that we've always had.
So we may just be seeing a shift in the
This might be the new world news order that we're witnessing.
The difference, though, is that the AP is an aggregate
news organization. It is not isolated too. It's not CNN,
it's not News Nation, it's not Fox, it's not One

(14:26):
America or whatever else.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
It is.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
A conglomerate of journalists who then distribute out to all
the other agencies. So CNN, Fox, News Nation, all these
others can still pull AP coverage provided they pay the
AP dues, which are not cheap. Incidentally, it was a
fight I used to have as a manager at a
station I was at for years. He said, do we

(14:50):
really need the AP? And I said, well, you don't
have a news department, so yeah, we do need the AP.
If we want to have any news product on our
news station, we're going to need to have access to AP.
But and now AP doesn't have access to the White House,
so how much value do they have to these places
that are paying those high fees to get their products.

(15:12):
Ever since news broke about the Trump officials discussing US
military attack plans in a group chat that inadvertently included
a journalist, Defense Secretary Pete Hexith, projecting unflinching confidence, he
said on Tuesday, I know exactly what I'm doing, do you? Though?
Because other Defense officials later in the week were increasingly skeptical,

(15:34):
especially after The Atlantic magazine then printed some of the
signal chat about the pending strike on the Hooti rebels
and Yemen. According to one Defense official talking with CNN,
it's safe to say that anybody in uniform would be
court martialed for this. My most junior analysts know not
to do this. So some say Hexith looks particularly bad

(16:00):
given the level of detail that he shared in the chat.
So Hesith didn't realize that the chat was being shared
with the journalist, and he was just spilling all the tea.
You know, hey, we're leaving at this time, the bombs
will drop here at this time. It was very specific
and he was discussing it in detail, even though he
wasn't the guy that invited the journalist in there are

(16:22):
questions about his ability to do the job, mostly because
he was just given all the details in this signal app.
I gotta believe, and he was using his phone too.
I gotta believe. We've already seen the Chinese hacking into,
or at least attempting to hack into the private phones
of different elected officials. I gotta believe they are doubling

(16:45):
down on that effort. And I also have to believe
that Russia, who was sharing information with some of these
other groups, is happy to be able to try to
hack into somebody else's phone to watch what they're doing.
And all it takes is just to congratulations, you've won
a new car click here, and then somebody clicks on
it and go, that's weird. I didn't even know I

(17:07):
was looking for a new car, and then they click
on it and suddenly they've opened their phone up to
Russian hackers. So a lot of concerns about this, the
same concerns that people had about Hillary Clinton using her
BlackBerry back in the day. What I find to be
the most interesting on this signal chat breach is the
hypocrisy that is raining down from both sides. We have

(17:31):
people on the left that when Hillary Clinton had her BlackBerry,
they said, lots of officials use their phones. Colin Powell
us his phone, Hillary Clinton use. They're very safe phones
with there's nothing to worry about. I know you've got
that photo of Hillary Clinton on Air Force one using
her BlackBerry, but that's totally fine. You guys are blowing

(17:52):
this way out of proportion. And the Republicans at the
time said Hillary Clinton has jeopardized the lives of American soldiers.
Hillary clinton wanton disregard for security measures is putting American
lives of our heroes at risk. And Hillary Clinton should
be court martialed and hanged in the public square. Lock

(18:13):
her up, lock her up, lock her up. And now
it's completely flipped. So now you've got Democrats that want
to for although I haven't heard anybody saying that people
need to be criminally charged. There was a question that
was posed by media to Pam Bondi, the Attorney generalist,
said will there be a criminal investigation and she said nah,

(18:35):
So evidently we're not going to lock him up at all.
There will be none of that. But will there be
political fallout? Will hegsif lose his job? Will this National
Security advisor that invited the journalist onto the signal app
chat Mike Waltz lose his job. That remains to be seen,
but safe to say the confidence in the competency of

(18:58):
some of these officials is coming into question. Amy King
to you.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Elise is in limbo.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
The White House has pulled Representative Elas Stephonics nomination to
become the next US ambassador to the United Nations. President
Trump said he was going to withdraw the nomination because
they've got such a narrow majority in the House he
needs to do everything he can to preserve that so
he can push forward his agenda and get his stuff passed.

(19:27):
He also said he didn't want to take a chance
on Stephanic's open seat in northern New York, that it
might go to the Democrats. It is heavily favored for
the Republicans now. Stephanic, since she was named as the
UN ambassador or the nominee to be, had to give
up her leadership post, so she's sort of in limbo

(19:49):
right now. She's still a congresswoman, but lost her power.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Position, but she still got the job.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
She doesn't.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Both Trump and Johnson say they're going to find something
for her because she was like three in the house.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, She's gonna be fine. One
of the things about this administration is that they tend
to say the quiet part out loud. I love that.
I mean, at least there's a certain and it's it's
funny to say from a president who will still argue
about crowd sizes. It is. It is funny to hear

(20:21):
just how blatantly honest they are about some of their tactics.
It's not you know, at least Stephonic is just she's
too important to the operations in the House and and
you know, we've got some other people with the un
and we're so thankful that she was willing to put
things aside for the good of her country. Instead they
go at least Stephonic, we need her vote. So basically,

(20:45):
she's gonna lose this better job because we really need
her vote and we don't want to take the chance
of losing all the crap we're trying to put through
the House. So I'm gonna find somebody else to do
the job, probably a relative. But Stephanic is going to
go back to the house and just be a house mom.
That's your thing. She can be a house mom from
here on out. And I so appreciate the honesty.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
You know what, when you do your Donald Trump, you
sound like Alec Baldwin's Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
See. I just think it's horrible.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
I think it's fine.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's one of those brutally bad impersonations, so terrible. Secretary
of State Marco Rubio says at least three hundred foreign
students I've had their visas revoked amid the Trump administration's
immigration crackdown. He said maybe more. He might be more
than three hundred at this point. So he says, we
do it every day. Every time I find one of
these lunatics, I take away their visa, and I hope

(21:36):
at some point we run out because we have gotten
rid of all of them. But we're looking every day
for these lunatics that are tearing things up. The administration
officials are looking to block some colleges that have too
many quote unquote pro Hamas foreign students from admitting any
international individuals. So high profile cases come out of Columbia,

(21:58):
Tufts and the University of Alabama. Trump Administration's cracked down
on the pro Palestinian foreign students, escalating let's juxtapose this
to another story that we had. I can't remember amy
if it was yesterday or the day before, but there
were Palestinian protests in Gaza against Hamas. Right, So you
had Palestinians that were protesting Hamas. That sort of flies

(22:21):
in the face of the narrative that we've heard that
if you are Palestinian in Gaza, you are Hamas. Right,
there's well, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't think we've said all Palestinians are Hamas.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
You and I haven't. But the narrative that we've heard
from others is that that the Palestinians are Hamas. And
I've had this argument. I go, are you telling me
that the women and children who are dying in Gaza
are supporters of Hamas? And I hear, well, they voted
a man and they don't. They've never gotten rid of Hamas.
And I said, well, it's because they voted a man
and then Hamas turned into a terrorist organization and they

(22:53):
took over and didn't allow for democratic voting any longer. Well,
they shouldn't have done that, That's what I hear. These
are not well educated people I talk to a lot.
I really need to change my circle of friends, come
to think of it, But it does fly in the
face of that narrative that you do, in fact, have
people in Gaza who are Palestinian that are saying, we

(23:14):
don't want this war and terror crap. So can you?
And this is the argument that we're going to have
when it comes to these universities. Can you have someone
that is pro Palestinian that doesn't like seeing the fighting
continuing in Gaza that is not pro Hamas as the
administration is pointing it out? In other words, are all
of the protesters at the universities that we saw last year,

(23:37):
are they all quote unquote pro Hamas? I don't believe
that they are. I do believe a lot of those
protests did get out of hand, and I don't think
that they should have gotten out of hand, and that
disgusted me as well. But it's a whole lot different
than saying somebody is pro terrorist when they are just

(23:57):
bad at protesting.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
To you, speaking of bad, they got a really bad one.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
The alleged leader of an MS thirteen street gang on
the East Coast has been arrested in Virginia. Twenty four
year old is from l Salvador, described as one of
MS's thirteen's top leaders in the US and he's just twenty.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Four and it's part of the called ambitious I guess
they were.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
They're talking about it that saying he was recruited as
like when he was in eighth grade or something.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Wow, but that's impressive.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
They rated wherever he was living and have taken him
into custody.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Now, is he a foreign national Salvador from L Salvador? Okay?

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah here illegally Okay?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
So does he I honestly don't know the answer to
this question. Does he have to do time. Let's say
he's found guilty of the MS thirteeniness of it all?
Does he do time in the United States and then
get deported or do we just deport him to that L.
Salvador in prison where we're sending the trace Deagua's trendy
trent trede.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Diagua trenday Aragua. Yeah, I can't be TDA, that's what
everybody's calling it.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
There you go the CBA. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Know, because like Shoeo Tani's interpreter, different kind of crime, right,
But he was sentenced to almost five years. He's expected
to serve out his sentence here and then they're saying
they expect to It hasn't been you know, we don't
know for sure, but they're saying they expect that he'll
be deported after he serves a sentence.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
But he also had a visa to be here to
start with, right where it's this guy, this MS thirteen
guy did not have a visa. He was here illegally. Huh.
I'd rather do my time at a US federal prison,
wouldn't you than that El Salvadorian hole that they're sticking
people in.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
That doesn't sound like a great place to be.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
No, it does not sound like a lot of fun
to me. I'm going to guess that the the commissary
is not as well stocked either. Uh, bad way to go.
When we were kids, we would hear stories about quicksand right,
you'd hear then you'd hear stories about spontaneous combustion. And

(26:09):
none of those things have ever affected me. Right, A
lot of things I learned as a kid that I
don't use as an adult. I don't really have to
know how to get out of quicksand I don't really
have to worry about spontaneous combustion. I don't really have
to know anything about trigonometry. What about rabies. I watched
Old Yeller Rabies scared the heck out of me, and

(26:31):
my mother used to tell me, if you get rabies,
they have to give you a shot in your stomach
and the needle is eighteen inches long. That's what my
mother would tell me. Now, a Michigan resident has died
of rabies. Wasn't bit by a dog or a bat
or anything else, had an organ transplant, Michigan Department of
Health and Human Services telling ABC News the patient underwent

(26:52):
an organ transplant in Ohio. Ohio hospitals are notorious for
passing rabies to everyone. I added that part the resident
go buying in a public health investigation determined that they
contracted rabies through the transplanted organ. The organ donor was
not from Michigan or Ohio, so don't get your organs

(27:12):
from other states. I guess. They said that there are
no current threats to the general public, and that anyone
exposed to the Michigan patient, including health care providers, has
been assessed for possible exposure to rabies h and they
were given post exposure preventative care as well. By the way,
I don't think you have to take a giant shot
to the belly if you get rabies any longer you don't. No,
I think they've changed that. I think that the rabies

(27:35):
treatment is not nearly as gross.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
But if you don't get treated, it'll still kill you.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Oh yeah, you get foamed at the mouth and then
somebody has to take you out back and shoot you.
That's the way it works, Just like they say, person
to person transmission RABI is extremely rare, though it has
been documented in a very small number of cases involving
organ transplantation.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
This isn't the first time that's happened.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
No, wouldn't you think that they would have a test
to make sure. They have to test those organs for stuff, right,
you'd think that they would. Part of that test would
be does this liver have rabies? I guess not. Also,
it makes you wonder what the donor died of. How
peculiar that you have a donor that had rabies but

(28:22):
then didn't die of rabies, and then their organ was taken.
Can you imagine that, Oh, I got bit by a dog.
I haven't been testing. Maybe they were on their way
to the hospital to be tested for rabies when they
got into a car accident. See, we don't know this.
These are details that don't come out because you have to.
You have to, you know, protect the privacy of the donor,
and yet it leaves us terrified. Terrified. KFIAM six forty

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