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June 2, 2025 29 mins
(June 02,2025)
After half a century, California legislators on the verge of overhauling a landmark environmental law. How gentrification is killing the bus: California’s rising rents are pushing out commuters. Why we are all addicted to Zillow..  
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're list Saints kf I AM six forty the Bill
Handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio f.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Ay Bill Handle.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Here.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
It is a Monday morning, June two, and.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm looking outside the window. What a lovely day it's
going to be amy. WIT's the forecast for today?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Oh, we've got some low clouds hanging around. We call
June gloom.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
But otherwise we're.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Gonna have sunny, sunny skies and hides in the seventies
and eighties.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Boy, there's an unusual forecast.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Cloudy skies in the morning, and then it burns off
and then we have southern California weather. Yeah, it's beautiful
here in Burbank right now, but especially along the coast,
we got some thick, thick cloud We have to do
from now on because we have a lot of people
outside of the area listen to the program, because that's
what happens when you when you're online and you can

(00:53):
no matter where you move, if you're a fan of
the show or any show here. We have to stop
talking about how great the weather is here. The people
are still moving in and it's just we've got enough.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
We have enough people, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Let me tell you what's happening in California.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
California, as you know, is the forefront of social programs
to our detriment in many cases. And about fifty years
ago we passed the California Environmental Quality Act. And what
it does is make it far far more difficult to
do business, to build, for example, and right now it's

(01:34):
you know, we can't afford housing, we can't afford public infrastructure,
and why and how difficult is it because of, among
other acts, the California Environmental Quality Act. Well, but there
are excemptions, there are holes through that you can drive
trucks through. For example, enrollment at UC Berkeley was really

(01:57):
yet to go down because they had to build a building.
You know what, legislators wrote an exemption when Sacramento Kings
were about to leave town.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
They said, we're leaving. Oh no, no, no, we'll let.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
You build a new arena and you don't have to
comply or for comply.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
For the most part, the.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
State capital itself when it needed renovating, the state legislator,
of course wrote exemptions for that. So what's described the
changes as the Swiss Cheese of the California Environmental Quality
Act is now going to change into just undoing it completely.

(02:36):
Two proposals have gone through the legislature, one to wipe
away the law for most housing developments to facilitate housing.
The other one is to simply weaken the rules across
the board. And this would be the most profound change
to the Act in generation and Newsome is in favor
of undoing a lot of it. And why because it

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makes it impossible. A story I haven't shared with you,
and maybe I have. Years and years ago, I was
I'd go to an Indian restaurant that was down the
street from me, and I became friends with the owner,
Great Indian food, and he decided he was going to
open up a second restaurant. And Indian restaurants have those
tandory ovens, those clay ovens which produce, you know, some

(03:26):
kind of emissions because they're open flames and all that,
and the venting that has to be done, he couldn't
do it. The permitting process was so crazy that he
just stopped doing it. And a business was not built
because of the regulations. Projects are not built because of regulations.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean it is it gets in the way.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
And finally, and at the same time, we need housing desperately,
and at the same time you have lawsuits being filed.
In many cases, you have neighborhoods that are stopping insert
name of housing project next door or business here.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And they're quoting that this project.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
May be in violation of the California Environmental Quality Act.
And even though inevitably, let's say the project is going
to be allowed to go forward, it's years later because
the lawsuits are flying, and now there's an argument will
very few are actually are actually stopped. What the studies said,

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there's only three percent that are actually the lawsuits filed,
And then the argument is how many don't even start
because of the questions and the difficulty in filing.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
So now exemptions.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Do you know that exemption has already been had for
all about Tadina and all of Pacific Palisades totally exempt,
which makes a lot of sense. Can you imagine rebuilding
that swath and still having to comply with the seque
California laws. So plenty of opponents, of course, who are saying, oh, no,

(05:13):
we have to keep it because that's what makes California California.
And at some point does it cross the line. We've
crossed the line a lot of years ago with the
influence of environmentalists. Now I can you know, I'm a
fan of the concept of climate change, not in favor
of climate change, of recognizing the climate change is there,

(05:36):
I have no problem.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But again, large swath do you deal with it with
a bulldozer?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
And that's exactly what happened with the various the AQMD
is that's still around, by the way, the air Quality
Management District that you're dealing with, the Coastal Commission where
the coast goes in miles.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
The Coastal commissions jurisdiction isn't.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Just at the coast. I mean it goes way in
and it just gets crazy. And if anybody has ever
built or developed and has to deal with a coastal commission,
it is a nightmare. Welcome to California. And finally, finally,
you know, we have a.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Couple of proposalors going proposals that are going through which
look like they're going to have they're going they're going
to pass, and the governor is saying, yeah, we have
to do something.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Reality has hit finally, all right, Uh gentrification Uh, and
it's killing the bus Wait wait, how does gentrification kill
a bus line? I'll explain that and then an example
of what happened in New York. Uh, kind of a

(06:50):
fun example. That's all coming up this Saturday night, coming up, Uh,
we that is the entire Morning Crew. We're going to
be at the Anaheim White House having dinner, and five
of you are going to be invited plus a guest.
And as I've been saying, the hard part is for
you to choose one guest all five of you, Nope,

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five of you plus one are going to be invited
to join us the entire Morning Crew dinner at the
White House. And we have never done that in the
history of this show. And at the same time, it
is a phenomenal restaurant, the Anaheim White House. Nothing is
better out there. I mean, the food is simply spectacular.

(07:32):
In any case, here is how you enter, because it's
a mini contest, and that is during the course of
the show. You have to do it between five and nine.
You go on the iHeartRadio app and then you'll see
just click on the bill handle show or wake up
Call and in the microphone on the upper right hand corner,
just click on that and you then record.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Fifteen to twenty seconds.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Why you want to or why you should have dinner
with us, and we'll pick or Neil and others will
just pick the kind of fun ones and then they
go into a hat. Number comes out or the name
comes out, and you get invited to have dinner with us,
and you're in for a real treat, not so much
hanging out with us as we bad mouth everybody. That's

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the fun part is just the bad mouthing part. We all, Oh, please, Neil,
come on, we make so much fun of everybody else
on this station.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You'll get the real You'll.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Get the real and we smile and nod.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay, you'll get.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
The real juice of what's going on here over the
past decades.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's great fun. And it really is all.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
The lawsuits we've been hit with, I mean, it's it's
going to be good in any case. Go to the
iHeartRadio app Bill Handle Show or Wake Up called microphone
the up right hand corner, click record. All right, I
want to move over to the whole concept of gentrification.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Gentrification is you.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Have a poor neighborhood and all of a sudden it
has become a hot neighborhood where either you've got boomers
or millennials or whatever group or looking at that going, oh,
we can get that property for fairly free or fairly cheap,
and we move in and all of a sudden, the
neighborhood goes up several levels levels, and all of a sudden,

(09:27):
we have coffee houses, and we have great restaurants where
it used to be liquor stores and check cashing places.
And it has happened. I think West Hollywood became gentrified.
The gay community that started gentrifying West Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Same thing in New York.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Above there used to be the Brownstones in New York,
those buildings that were built decades and decades ago, and
above one hundred and fifth Street, Harlem, you one hundred
and tenth Street. I mean, you could buy one of
those burnout buildings for one dollar a dollar and now
there was a lot of work in bringing them to

(10:09):
code and to par New York said, if you want
to buy them, we'll sell them to you for a
dollar because they were taken over by the city and
just you have to revamp them, you have to restore them,
you have to refurbish them. And again it was the
gay community that came in. Today those are a million dollars.
So what happens with gentrification. Well, imagine this, well, you know,

(10:32):
I imagine this is what happens. You have people with
have money that come in. The people who don't have
money are displaced because rent is going up. It's more affluent,
and you've got people that used to live there for
very little money, and all of a sudden it's being
gentrified and landlord's going to wait a minute, we can
get some rent here.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
And so those.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
People move out and people with money or more money
move in and they guss see it up. I love
that term, and make the place far more livable, and
make it more modern and make it a kind of
neat place to live. So what ends up happening when
poor people move out? What to poor people? How do
poor people get to work? How do poor people get

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to the market If they don't have a car, they
take the bus. What happens when the population of poor
people in a neighborhood goes down? Well, there's less bus writership,
and now you've got the people that are staying there
no longer have the bus.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
And here's what's going on. This is research done by UCLA.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
It was a study published last year compare changes in
transit readership numbers, writership numbers to rental market trends. Okay,
the South end of Chinatown, average rents went up three
hundred and seventy nine dollars, transit.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Use went down twenty one percent.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
In the Pacoima area of the San Franco Valley, rent
went up three hundred and five dollars, ridership down twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
So this is just a correlation study, you know, No,
it's it is. It is a correlation. But this isn't
just a causation issue.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
It is it makes sense when ridership goes down. Uh,
the bus service goes down because you have not enough
people riding the buses.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Okay, So the fact that there was a stabbing and
shooting on the Metro yesterday and the fact that there's
massive crime has nothing.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
How the hell that's another issue is coming? Yeah, that's
another that's another issue.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
There is no I understand, and you are right, there
is a lot that goes into ridership going down.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
But this was a study from UCLA.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
This is bad being poor good. I get it.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Wow, I don't know if I look at it that way.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
But isn't that weird?

Speaker 5 (12:59):
It's like we got massive problems on the Metro. People
are being raped.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
But that's the Metro. We're talking about bus service all
over the city.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
This is bus and train.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Look at the study bus and train and the reality
is it that you're going to say it's gentrification.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
That's one of the big reasons this study looked at gentrification,
and if you think about it, it does make a
lot of sense because what happens with people when a
neighborhood is gentrified and people have money, do they take
the bus?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
They do not, They drive because they have cars.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
We don't have a system where everybody uses the bus.
Go to London for example, and look at the underground
right their subway system. Literally, you're taking a subway. You're
taking it on the District Line or the Jubilee Line
or whatever, and you jump on to the subway, jump
onto one of those cars.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You could be sitting next to a bank president.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Who is city and you can be next to one
of the biggest surgeons that are going to Harley Street.
You could be sitting next to a homeless person, someone
who's really poor going to work. Everybody takes that kind
of transportation that does not exist in Los Angeles.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
You're arguing my point is that. Yes, in most places,
everyone uses it.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Craft system here that is unsafe. I used to use
it when I first moved in to my area. We
used to use the bus and we'd use the trains.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
So what's the answer. So let me ask you what's
the answer.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Because Southern California is particularly difficult because we have vast areas.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
We are a car society.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
The only people that use public transportation or people that
don't have money. I mean, how many people have money
use public transportation?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Guarded the Red Car was that's.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Right, and that went out the Red Car.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
If you look at the history of the Red Car,
it was one of the best transit systems. It was
a light rail system throughout southern California and you could
literally take the Red Car from well not so much
the San Fernando Valley, but for downtown and Pasaden it to.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
The beach to Long Beach. It was extraordinary. But it died.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
You know why it died because we had something called
the Cars that came in and the Auto Club and
the entire system. We became a car society, particularly in
Southern California. We are the land of cars, and so
this is is there any way to fixed this.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
This study doesn't say this is the answer. This study
simply says this is the problem. And I just wanted
to put I was fascinated by this because the whole
concept of gentrification absolutely fascinates me.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, so let me put it this way. If your
poor life is miserable, does that help?

Speaker 5 (15:51):
No? But I would use our transit system if it
was clean and not dangerous.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't because I don't want.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
To go to New York using there. It's so much easier.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
To get around because you happen to love smelling people.
I don't. I mean, your thing is sex, you know,
with your nose is someone's arm pit. I understand that, Neil,
it's it.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah. The smell of urine in the morning.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I know, there's nothing like it. All Right, we
are done with this. Hey, how many of you go
to Zillow just for fun? I do all the time.
And I'm going to tell you what's happening with Zillo.
We're now Zillo's Society beautiful Monday morning, June second. Some
of the stories that we are following an attack disrupting

(16:40):
a Jewish community event in Boulder. Molotov cocktail thrown at
a group of protesters or demonstrators and was it five
people wounded too, seriously burned.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Great huh.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
And then a an Israeli we like operation against against
Russia by Ukraine. And it was a couple of shipping
containers that were sent in. This was a year in
the making. A couple of shipping containers that were sent
in near the airport and the top of the containers

(17:20):
rolled back. It was remote controlled. And then drones came
off the top and attacked the airport and forty big bombers,
Russian bombers were destroyed. Remember one of the Israelis did
the what do you call it the pager system, and
they blew up ten thousand plagiars pagers and seriously wounded

(17:42):
the entire hierarchy. I think it was the Hesbola and
what ended up happening if I'm right about the Hesbela,
And that was ten years in the making. This was
a year in the making.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Okay, I don't know if you're.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
If you use Zillow, I am a fanatic zillo viewser
I'm in there constantly. Why because I'm you know what
I'm nosy as hell is why today was zillo. Let's
say someone when is selling the house across the street, Boom,
you go to zillo. How much is it going for?
When did it sell, how much did it escalate and price.

(18:18):
We now have all the information about all the housing,
your friends, where they live, your family members. I want
to know how much that house is. I want to
know what's inside. Have you remodeled it?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Have you not? Or nosy as hell?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
You're weird? You know what I like doing.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
I like seeing how little you could get a place
in North Carolina for.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh yeah, that's another one. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Look at these massive houses you look at.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I know, gosh, I know, A million dollars buys you
a cracker jack box right down the street from the studio.
A million dollars you buy a five acre estate with
six thousand square feet in North Carolina or in Arkansas.
Big difference. But everybody is a Zillo now. I do
because I'm nosy as hell. When I was in my

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surrogacy practice, I would always do a full application or
have my clients do a full application, and they had
to tell me what their net worth is and how
much money they make because I wanted to make sure
the surrogates are covered because it was expensive. It was
over one hundred thousand dollars to do that. We needed
money up front. We had to know, you know, they

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have money to continue with this. And the reason was that,
and I was nosy.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I love it. How much money do you make? I
can't ask that I do? I did.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
And what was really fun is I had a few
genuine billionaires, genuine billionaires, and they would fill out the application,
you know, what is your net worth? And a couple
of them wrote are you kidding? Right there on the application,
and a few of them just put the word.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Plus, just a plus sign.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
A couple just put ten zeros, nothing in front of it,
just zeros.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, it was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I remember the first time, oh, the first billionaire I
ever had as a client, he excused himself to go
into the restroom and I followed him and there he
is at the urinal peing and he looks at me
because I'm looking at him. He goes, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Bill?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And I said, I've never seen a billionaire take a
week before, just wondering how that works. And I said, wow,
it's about the same, isn't it. The point is I
am nosy, and we have the ability now and just
we just can find out what everybody, how everybody lives,

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what houses are worth. Are you ready for this? This
is Zillo, and this is a story. Numbers that they
provided to the Washington Post. All right, four million homes
were sold in the US in twenty twenty four. Visits
to the Zillo site in twenty twenty was two point

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four billion. Now when I was selling my house, I
was up there every day seeing who was listing how
much my house was worth relative to everybody else. Neil,
I want to know how much your house is worth. Now,
I'll ask you, and you'll be honest with me. But
I mean, you don't tell everybody what your house is worth.

(21:21):
You can find out in two seconds. You go to Zillo.
You go to Zillo, you do the comps, you find
out everything about your neighbor.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
See today, with.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
The Internet, it's fantastic. There is no privacy at all.
And not only that, Zillo disex homes feature description photos.
It's a social page, is what it is, without having
to interact with anybody.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I think it's kind of neat. It really does I
think it is. Okay, it's gossip. It's just a form
of gossip where you get to find.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Out my house. It's not my furniture in there, the
people who owned it prior to us.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah it's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
But you still get an idea of the layout, what
you can do with it, and just it's really.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Kind of neat.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh my house is doing well.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Is it? Seat?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
There you go, there you go, and by the way,
you get when houses are sold. That's another thing what
Zillow has done is make us all experts in the
codes that are used to describe homes. For example, cozy.
Everybody knows that's small cozy, Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
That's microscopic is what that is. As is as you
I know. Yeah, beautiful of you. That's right. That means
you're not looking at a wall as is What does
that mean?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Buckle your seat belts is what it means if you're
getting into a house.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, it's I love the codes.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Needs love, Oh yeah, falling apart just for rentals.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Bill is in SoCal is old world. Charm means no
air conditioning.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Or you look at photos when a house is listed
and all you see is the backyard because it's a
great backyard.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Oh what does that tell you? Huh?

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Also, the rooms are huge because this is where fish
eye lens lenses are being sold. They are a growth industry,
these optics companies, because they're used by every single person
who ever wants to sell a house.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Okay, we're done, guys Harvard. You know what are the
administration points?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Is Harvard and Chinese nationals coming over and we're basically
training them and members of the Communist Party are now
and no, no, Marco Rubio said, we're done training these people.
And he's got a point, a big point. I'll tell
you about that connection. Coming right up, we're having a

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little party the entire Morning crew. We are going to
be at the Anaheim White House for dinner, and we
are inviting five people, each of them a plus one
to join all of us.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Man, what a meal.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
That's going to be at the Anaheim White House and
we're gonna sit together and we're just going to BSS
and just have a nice social event.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
And here's how you can enter to win.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
It's a mini contest as you go to the iHeartRadio
app and during the course of the show and click
on the microphone and the upper right go to the
bill handle show and then click on the microphone in
the upper right hand corner, and you then record, and
you have fifteen twenty seconds to record why you should

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come to our dinner, why you should be chosen, or
why you want to come to our dinner. And it's
five people, and we will draw a name. We'll take
all the good ones, and Neil and I make the
and we make the decision which good or not, and
then throw those people's name into.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
A hat and then pull out five. Now you have
to leave.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Your name or phone number or email because we have
to get hold of you unless you know it's a
complete crap entry.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
And what are your chances to win? Okay?

Speaker 1 (25:22):
This is for the number of people that want to
have dinner with me and the Morning crew. So far,
we've had four people who have sent in their requests,
so your chances are pretty good to be one of
the five.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
No, no, oh, we were bombarded.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Okay, Well, it's gonna be fun because you know we're
bombarded because everybody gets a free meal at the the
Anaheim White House and it is phenomenal food. My favorite
restaurant this is and Anaheim Whitehouse is where we do
the Katerina's Katarina's Club pastafon broadcast every year. And for
those of you have come, and you know, we get bagels,

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et cetera in the morning when we broadcast.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
This is serious dinner.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Uh, that's going to be phenomenal. And I'm going to
range so all of us meet everybody. I haven't told
you guys yet on the on the show that what
I want to do is we play musical chairs. So
you and me, you being Anne and Cono and Amy
and Will will be able to missing anybody.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Will and Neil, of course, we'll be able to meet
and talk to everybody.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
And there will be so much bad mouthing I cannot
tell you, and inside baseball about how we run this
radio station. Who's been fired, why, why we've been sued
on a number of occasions. Neil and he was in management.
We'll tell you about that and some of the great
emails we have.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You're gonna know everything about the station.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I'm only talking crap about you.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, And there was a yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I want to make a point here, and I know
I'm gonna we'll do this Harvard story probably tomorrow. Then
is it used to be that management and this was
policy at this station, where we had to pretend that
we actually had a decent relationship the different hosts on

(27:34):
the show. You remember that, Neil, that was policy. I'm
not kidding. Neil's nodding, okay. And we were told by management,
under no circumstances do you tell the listeners the truth
about how you hate each other, how you will never
see each other out of the show.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Come on, Neil, is that not true? They know.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
The whole thing was you don't have to air every
issue you have with anybody because people should enjoy listening
to the station their favorite.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Well, I think and think we all like each other.
That was let me tell you, it went beyond just oh,
you don't have to share all your issues, pretend you
have a relationship with people you can't stand.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
They didn't want everybody to know that every other host
hates you. Sure, that's the whole thing. They were trying
to protect you.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
But now and that Yeah, so it's gonna be a
lot of fun once again. Just go to the iHeartRadio
app during the course of the show and click on
the Bill Handle show and in the upper right end
corner of the microphone and record why or why you
should or why you want to join us, and do
not even bother with I love the show, I love Neo,

(28:52):
I love Bill.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
No, I don't want to hear that. That's no fun.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, coming up, the Democratic California can happened over the weekend,
not the convention, the big meeting that they had, and
four thousand people showed up, interestingly enough to people who
you would think would be there didn't show up, and
they laid out right the meeting and some of the

(29:18):
haunchos laid out why the Democrats are in so much
trouble and how life has gone the other way. Up
is down and black is white and it's a mess.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
For the Democrats. I'll share that with you when we
come back. You've been listening to The Bill Handle Show.

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