June 6, 2025 • 24 mins
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The epic breakup of Trump and Musk’s White House bromance. DNA analysis startup Aimsto rank embryos based on potential longevity. China really wants to attract talented scientists.
The epic breakup of Trump and Musk’s White House bromance. DNA analysis startup Aimsto rank embryos based on potential longevity. China really wants to attract talented scientists.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM six.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Forty Bye Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
It's Footy Friday, June sixth d DA plus eighty one,
and you'll see a lot of D Day. Actually, I
was looking at on Netflix and there are so many
World War.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Two films just celebrating and remembering D Day and the
US forces got the worst of it by a long
shot on the invasion of the Normandy coastline.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
All Right, this one is just fun.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
When we talk about what's going on with the President
and with Elon Musk, particularly the President, there's a lot
of issues that really really affect us, every one of us,
and very deeply.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
This one is just fun. This is a Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The breakup of Donald Trump and Elon m actually has
been going on for a few days, but it has evolved,
So Washington Post, I'm going to read this directly from
the headline, the epic breakup of Trump and Musk White
House bromance. Now Elon Musk, who was given the title
(01:20):
and given the position of head of Doze, wiping out
entire governmental well governmental jobs as well as entire programs
and gutting others, all for the purposes of reducing expenses
and cutting the budget of the United States. The problem
(01:41):
is is that Trump, on the same side, has increased
the budget while telling us that he's decreasing the budget.
But that's Trump world. In the meantime, Musk has gone nuts.
He was going to decrease the budget by two trillion dollars,
didn't have and not even close.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's been several hundred billion. But he is. But Trump
has added to.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The not only the budget, but is also added to
the gutting of governmental programs. And it's it's very tough.
I mean, we're in for a very tough, tough time. However,
this part is just fun. The breakup of Trump and Musk. Now,
he was the self proclaimed first buddy of the President.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
We saw video of him at the White House.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Trump fawning over Elon Musk, talking about what a great
job he has done, even giving him a symbolic key
to the White House, this gold key. Have you ever
heard of that before? A key to the White House.
It's just weird. You said it was a Trump's picture
(02:54):
on it. By the way, was even though they locked
the doors, Well, I so that's true. They probably don't
lock the doors. Yeah, yeah, you know what, I don't
know if if you think about this, is there a
lock to the front door of the lighthouse. Is there
a lock to the Oval Office because you have those
two marines.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You see him all the time when you a president walks.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
In in through those glass doors. In any case, here
is the problem. Musk and Trump were hand in hand,
the best buddies. After the assassination attempt of Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania,
right there where of course, at that moment, the feelings
(03:41):
towards Trump universally were so positive because he survived that
he handled it very well.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I thought, Musk pardon coda.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh, Musk jumped on board and became a huge proponent
of President Trump.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
As a matter of fact, I want to give you
a quote.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They posted this, I love at real Donald Trump as
much as a straight man can love another man. This
was a post on x in early February, and Donald
Trump called Musk one of the greatest business leaders and
innovators the world has ever produced. I mean, you could
(04:24):
not get closer. There were meetings, there were press conferences
at the Oval Office. In the Oval Office where Musk
was standing right next to the President, and they were
well I'm not gonna be too graphic here, but let's
just say they were. You couldn't really hear them very
(04:48):
well because they were talking like this, because that guess
where their heads were up each other's rear end for
those discussions.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, let me tell you what happened. Let me tell
you what started it all.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And frankly, I got to tell you I'm on Must's
side on this one. I think Musk is one hundred
percent right. Not the way he's handling it. No, that's
not true. I love the way he's handling it. Frankly,
I love the way Trump is handling it. I love
the way all of this is being done. We talked
about this this morning, I think before the show, and
was jumping in and Amy and Neil and I were
(05:23):
talking about how absolutely delicious this is and there's no
other way of doing it. I think yesterday it fractured.
And why did it fracture? Well, this has to do
with Elon Musk, who was tasked with cutting the budget,
cutting expenses in the US budget, and the big beautiful
(05:46):
bill that Trump has pushed and got passed in Congress
doesn't cut a lot, not in terms of real numbers.
Now social programs, decimated research grants, medical research, decimated education programs,
(06:08):
helping the poor, housing, world Aid wiped out the national
what Noah is basically gone. FEMA has lost a third
of its people. I mean, on and on and on.
So how is it that the budget has not been
reduced because of the increase along the border and defense
(06:30):
budget and that that's what's going up and frankly, more
money is being spent than not.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And Musk went out of his mind.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He went crazy, and I'm going to give him the
benefit not even the benefit of a doubt. He publicly
criticized this was Tuesday, the one big beautiful bill, and
urged lawmakers to.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Kill the bill on his on the platform X.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, he has over two hundred million fallows, he
has two hundred million followers on.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
X and that's a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's basically more than half of the United States. And
so when he says let's kill the bill, I'm assuming
he has a fair amount of influence.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And in the reality is, I don't know how well
I do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I know how Trump got it through, and that is
they are his supporters that didn't read the bill. Because
there's a lot of other things in the bill, for example,
taking away a lot of states rights. Even Marjorie Taylor
Green said she would not have voted for that bill
if she knew.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What was in the bill.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You've got some very right wing Republican supporters that would
take a bullet for Donald Trump said, if I had
read the bill, I would not have voted for this.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It passed by one vote one the House.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And already there are half a half a dozen Republicans
who have said they never would have voted for the bill.
And Musk is at the forefront on the economic side,
saying what Trump has done is effectively unraveled what he
promised to do. And now the opening salvo yesterday, yesterday
(08:22):
it devolved. Yesterday, it was over. The two are starting
to attack each other like crazy. You are going to
see some it's going to go on through the weekend.
You're going to see some really interesting attacks on each other. Now,
one of the more interesting parts of this is Donald
Trump and Amy and I were talking about this. Donald Trump,
(08:45):
which he usually does, is not doing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He is not.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Attacking at this point, he has not been attacking Musk.
He didn't call him a loser, and he hasn't called
him a trader. He hasn't done his typical Donald Trump attacks.
He's just attacking Elon Musk as someone who well he
did call him crazy, didn't he. I think he did
(09:11):
call him crazy. Imry, We're getting there.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He lost his mind. Uh yeah, he lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, And I'm really disappointed. I mean, he could have
gone a lot more nuts. Compare what he said about
Nancy Pelosi at some point. Compare what he said about
Joe Biden crooked Joe, accusing him outright of corruption and
taking money. And you know, I mean Elon, well you're
gonna are Are you actually gonna say Elon Musk is
taking money from anybody?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I doubt it. So what is going on now? And
this is great? So Trump is now threatening to cut
all of the.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Financial connection with SpaceX. And it's what thirty nine billion
dollars that the government is paying SpaceX to launch up.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
To the space to the space station.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's the only way that the astronauts can get up there.
It's the only way that we can go into space
as SpaceX. And Trump is saying, we're going to cut
a lot of this, or we're going to cut all
of it. And I heard yesterday that Musk said, I'm
going to decommission my spacecraft, so there'll be no way
(10:22):
for you guys to get up into space. And there
may be a couple of astronauts are a little pissed
off that are going to be staying there forever. I
mean they it's it's getting so good. Also, Elon Musk
is really upset. And Trump mentioned this that all of
the benefits, the credits that go to people who own
(10:44):
evs and charging, et cetera, will be cut. And Elon Musk, well,
what a test? What is Tesla? It's an EV and
and the EV manufacturers, particularly Tesla, rely on government credits
and and help, which is all going to go away.
And one of the reasons that Elon Musk has gone
(11:05):
south on Trump, and this is according to Trump, is
that he took away the benefits that these EV manufacturers
now have from the government. It's just getting so good,
and we're going to see more and more attacks. Boy,
this is well, as I said Washington Post and this
(11:26):
is the first paragraph. The alliance between President Donald Trump
and Elon Musk spectacularly imploded yesterday Thursday, as the world's
most prominent bromance collapsed in the mutual public trolley. So
you have the richest man of the world who's an
egomaniac fighting the president of the United States, who is
(11:48):
also an egomaniac and has been given more power than
any existing president in the history of our country by
Congress and has taken more power and has a.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Supreme Court that likes him a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's going to get better and better and better, all right.
Something in my wheelhouse and found this and it is
a story about a twenty five year old guy, an entrepreneur,
Kian Sadegi or Sajaye, who founded this company called Nucleus
(12:26):
Genomics and Genomics Genomics, and it is a company that
tests embryos or tests a single cell in embryos. Today
you can test embryos. It is the technology is amazing.
Now we go back to when I started practicing and
(12:47):
was involved in teaching a course in reproductive law, and
we knew where science was going. And this was at
the infancy of IVF. It was the infancy of egg freezing.
But he knew genetic testing was on its way. And
it's interesting how embryos are tested genetically. You have an
(13:08):
eight cell embryo, they can take one eighth of it,
one single cell, and remove it, test it and the
other cells. It's like a salamander grow and then there
you go. And so testing today, DNA testing is pretty
(13:28):
sophisticated stuff. For example, there are tests that can be
done to determine genetic conditions like Down syndrome, TAYSAC, sickle
cell anemia, and the doctors, the embryologists can actually test
for those and tell perspective parents that this embryo, this
(13:54):
child to be has this disease, and of course those
embryos are not used. You can also use DNA testing
to determine the sex of a child. That's easy, and
here it gets a little ethical because parents can choose
(14:14):
the sex of a child, can decide to use a
male embryo or a female embryo. Now there are other
ways of doing it. For example, my kids that are
product of IVF, it was we chose, it wasn't meos.
Marjorie wanted girls and used technology, well not really technology.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
There is a non embryonic way of choosing whether or
not you're going to have a child that is one
sex or the other. And in that case it's sperm spinning.
They put sperm in a centrifugeon because the male goes
a long way back as an extra chromosome or the
female does. It's heavier and it doesn't spin out as
(15:00):
as far. I mean, it's it's kind of rudimentary, but
it does work eighty percent of the time. And that's
exactly what we used, is sperm spinning. Now my case
was a little different because I just spent around just
standing up and spinning around like an ice skater, and
then produced the sperm sample. Now I almost fell over
because of course I was very dizzy, So we did
(15:21):
it on a different way of doing it. Don't shake
your head stop it in any case. The genetic part
of the science part of.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
This is two things.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
One is the Tasax version that you know exactly what
kind of gene now this is a single gene that
is Huntington's.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I think you can tell, and you can also tell
the sex.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Okay, fair enough. One of the ethical problems, and this
is something we studied, we knew this is going to
come up, is with genetic engineering, with manipulating genes.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Even though it's not being done.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Now we are literally at the cusp of making kids
embryos and then to be kids stronger, taller, have blue eyes,
blonde hair, so they can be perfectly Arran faster.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sounds like Robert heinlein novel, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I think one of them did exactly that, And there's
some real ethical concerns about that, I mean, big ones.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Let me tell you what this company is doing.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
First of all, the analysis is six thousand dollars and
what it does is assess up to nine hundred condition
and gives probability assessments for IQ and height. Exactly what
I was telling you. But it's not about creating kids.
It's about telling parents the probability of having kids that
(17:03):
have high IQ, that are going to be taller, that
are probably have a propensity to have cancer of certain types,
that are going to, for example, have a propensity to drink. Now,
non scientifically they can tell who has a propensity to drink.
(17:24):
They're called the Irish who get drunk on a very
regular basis, got it?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But this is science. Any Irish people there that I've offended,
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And this is nine hundred tests that are being done
that give parents the probability.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Now, a lot of it has to do with lifestyle
they're not.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Saying they when you find tas acts or sickle cell anemi.
Yet it's in the gene. I mean, there's no issue.
This one assesses probabilities. It just assesses prepared density and
therefore parents have a right to look at that embryo.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Go Nah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Maybe another one is better because embryos, different embryos have
different different is different categories of embryos. Some are stronger
than others. Uh, some have a better chance of developing. Uh,
some have some genetic information that the other ones don't.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Uh. And uh so which way do they go on this? Well?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Uh, the chronic disease part is easy, even the probability.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The sex part is easy. Although you know that's a
little little ethical.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You know, Eskimo is leaving the girls out there in
front of the little doors on their igloose. You know,
there's a story about this is societies that want males only.
Now this issue, Yeah, propensities I don't have a problem with,
and a lot of people do.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But literally on the edge, we're literally on the very edge.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Of creating better and I put that in quotes better
kids down syndrome has another one you can tell if
someone has downs, and frankly, if I'm looking at an embryo,
which the doctors did, and the kid is going to
have the child to be is going to have downs,
not going to do it, not going to do it,
(19:28):
And so here is I'll tell you what's going to happen.
Can you imagine me as an embryo and the embryologist
telling the parents we're looking at Bill's genes and this
is a no go, just on the genes themselves. Forget
about propensities for everything. This is just a handle gene.
Thank goodness, I'm already way.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Past the embryo stage.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Okay, I'm done a little bit of levity, but very
serious topic, really a very serious topic where they where
science is going to all.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Right, finished on that one.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
China and Donald Trump is getting a lot of grief
for barring international students and tossing them out, particularly the Chinese,
and curtailing visas for students from all over the world
coming in. And here's let me tell you the downside.
And then I'm going to tell you where I'm actually going
(20:25):
to defend Donald Trump on this one.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
China is winning on this one.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The United States is at the forefront of research is
at the forefront of technology. In terms of the universities,
nothing compares to what the US does except for China,
which is growing dramatically. China is spending buckets of money
and recruiting all kinds of researchers and medical experts, and
(20:53):
believe me, they're succeeding, especially now what's going out at
Harvard and Columbia.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
This is where the top researchers are, the Ivy League.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And it's they're just getting a lot of these people
as the US is losing people because of what's going on,
and not only because visas are not being granted. A
lot of these students stay in the United States because
this is a great place to do research. China is
spending an enormous amount of money and is quickly gaining
(21:23):
and will quickly surpass the United States in this field
of research and innovation. And Trump is helping this situation
big time. Not only because physically people aren't going to
be here. Physically you've got Chinese students and researchers being
thrown out, but just the fear of what's going to happen,
(21:45):
so a lot of grief. But let me tell you
something about particularly Chinese students. Donald Trump says, we have
a real issue with these Chinese students and researchers in
terms of national security. How many stories have you heard
of straight out espionage of the Chinese coming in this
country and stealing from the United States, stealing research, stealing secrets,
(22:13):
stealing processes. China just doesn't care. They're just fine taking everything.
And we also have you know, they copy. They don't
believe in trademark protection. I mean, China does that. Now,
are there ways of dealing with it without tossing out people.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That are here? I don't know how you deal with it.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You can do it with a broad brush and just
throw out all the Chinese students and not give visas
for top students, top teachers, top researchers.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You can do that.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
We can do that, but it costs. It costs us
big time. So you have noball laureatees going to China.
They have a campus, a research campus that is incredible.
Looks like the Apple cap campus in northern California. It
is extraordinary. They're spending that much money. The problem is
(23:12):
the ones that are here, and we see it all
the time. Chinese students and researchers selling secrets or stealing
information and giving it to their government.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean that is happening.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So do you vet these people more or do you
take that broadbrush and just say they're not coming in. Well,
the Trump administration is using the broadbrush approach for sure,
and then reinstating Harvard for example, Harvard loses two billion dollars. Well,
there isn't any money, there's no grant money for these
(23:45):
programs of which these top researchers are there.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Where are they going to go? They're going to go
to China.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The Chinese students are going back, and Americans are going
to China to do research because China is willing to
who open the door and welcome them. And today it's
just not a good place to be in the United
States if you're a foreign anything.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's a tough place to go. All right, This is
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Forty Bye Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
It's Footy Friday, June sixth d DA plus eighty one,
and you'll see a lot of D Day. Actually, I
was looking at on Netflix and there are so many
World War.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Two films just celebrating and remembering D Day and the
US forces got the worst of it by a long
shot on the invasion of the Normandy coastline.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
All Right, this one is just fun.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
When we talk about what's going on with the President
and with Elon Musk, particularly the President, there's a lot
of issues that really really affect us, every one of us,
and very deeply.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
This one is just fun. This is a Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The breakup of Donald Trump and Elon m actually has
been going on for a few days, but it has evolved,
So Washington Post, I'm going to read this directly from
the headline, the epic breakup of Trump and Musk White
House bromance. Now Elon Musk, who was given the title
(01:20):
and given the position of head of Doze, wiping out
entire governmental well governmental jobs as well as entire programs
and gutting others, all for the purposes of reducing expenses
and cutting the budget of the United States. The problem
(01:41):
is is that Trump, on the same side, has increased
the budget while telling us that he's decreasing the budget.
But that's Trump world. In the meantime, Musk has gone nuts.
He was going to decrease the budget by two trillion dollars,
didn't have and not even close.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's been several hundred billion. But he is. But Trump
has added to.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The not only the budget, but is also added to
the gutting of governmental programs. And it's it's very tough.
I mean, we're in for a very tough, tough time. However,
this part is just fun. The breakup of Trump and Musk. Now,
he was the self proclaimed first buddy of the President.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
We saw video of him at the White House.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Trump fawning over Elon Musk, talking about what a great
job he has done, even giving him a symbolic key
to the White House, this gold key. Have you ever
heard of that before? A key to the White House.
It's just weird. You said it was a Trump's picture
(02:54):
on it. By the way, was even though they locked
the doors, Well, I so that's true. They probably don't
lock the doors. Yeah, yeah, you know what, I don't
know if if you think about this, is there a
lock to the front door of the lighthouse. Is there
a lock to the Oval Office because you have those
two marines.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You see him all the time when you a president walks.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
In in through those glass doors. In any case, here
is the problem. Musk and Trump were hand in hand,
the best buddies. After the assassination attempt of Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania,
right there where of course, at that moment, the feelings
(03:41):
towards Trump universally were so positive because he survived that
he handled it very well.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I thought, Musk pardon coda.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh, Musk jumped on board and became a huge proponent
of President Trump.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
As a matter of fact, I want to give you
a quote.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They posted this, I love at real Donald Trump as
much as a straight man can love another man. This
was a post on x in early February, and Donald
Trump called Musk one of the greatest business leaders and
innovators the world has ever produced. I mean, you could
(04:24):
not get closer. There were meetings, there were press conferences
at the Oval Office. In the Oval Office where Musk
was standing right next to the President, and they were
well I'm not gonna be too graphic here, but let's
just say they were. You couldn't really hear them very
(04:48):
well because they were talking like this, because that guess
where their heads were up each other's rear end for
those discussions.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, let me tell you what happened. Let me tell
you what started it all.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And frankly, I got to tell you I'm on Must's
side on this one. I think Musk is one hundred
percent right. Not the way he's handling it. No, that's
not true. I love the way he's handling it. Frankly,
I love the way Trump is handling it. I love
the way all of this is being done. We talked
about this this morning, I think before the show, and
was jumping in and Amy and Neil and I were
(05:23):
talking about how absolutely delicious this is and there's no
other way of doing it. I think yesterday it fractured.
And why did it fracture? Well, this has to do
with Elon Musk, who was tasked with cutting the budget,
cutting expenses in the US budget, and the big beautiful
(05:46):
bill that Trump has pushed and got passed in Congress
doesn't cut a lot, not in terms of real numbers.
Now social programs, decimated research grants, medical research, decimated education programs,
(06:08):
helping the poor, housing, world Aid wiped out the national
what Noah is basically gone. FEMA has lost a third
of its people. I mean, on and on and on.
So how is it that the budget has not been
reduced because of the increase along the border and defense
(06:30):
budget and that that's what's going up and frankly, more
money is being spent than not.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And Musk went out of his mind.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He went crazy, and I'm going to give him the
benefit not even the benefit of a doubt. He publicly
criticized this was Tuesday, the one big beautiful bill, and
urged lawmakers to.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Kill the bill on his on the platform X.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, he has over two hundred million fallows, he
has two hundred million followers on.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
X and that's a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's basically more than half of the United States. And
so when he says let's kill the bill, I'm assuming
he has a fair amount of influence.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And in the reality is, I don't know how well
I do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I know how Trump got it through, and that is
they are his supporters that didn't read the bill. Because
there's a lot of other things in the bill, for example,
taking away a lot of states rights. Even Marjorie Taylor
Green said she would not have voted for that bill
if she knew.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What was in the bill.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You've got some very right wing Republican supporters that would
take a bullet for Donald Trump said, if I had
read the bill, I would not have voted for this.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It passed by one vote one the House.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And already there are half a half a dozen Republicans
who have said they never would have voted for the bill.
And Musk is at the forefront on the economic side,
saying what Trump has done is effectively unraveled what he
promised to do. And now the opening salvo yesterday, yesterday
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it devolved. Yesterday, it was over. The two are starting
to attack each other like crazy. You are going to
see some it's going to go on through the weekend.
You're going to see some really interesting attacks on each other. Now,
one of the more interesting parts of this is Donald
Trump and Amy and I were talking about this. Donald Trump,
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which he usually does, is not doing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He is not.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Attacking at this point, he has not been attacking Musk.
He didn't call him a loser, and he hasn't called
him a trader. He hasn't done his typical Donald Trump attacks.
He's just attacking Elon Musk as someone who well he
did call him crazy, didn't he. I think he did
(09:11):
call him crazy. Imry, We're getting there.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He lost his mind. Uh yeah, he lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, And I'm really disappointed. I mean, he could have
gone a lot more nuts. Compare what he said about
Nancy Pelosi at some point. Compare what he said about
Joe Biden crooked Joe, accusing him outright of corruption and
taking money. And you know, I mean Elon, well you're
gonna are Are you actually gonna say Elon Musk is
taking money from anybody?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I doubt it. So what is going on now? And
this is great? So Trump is now threatening to cut
all of the.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Financial connection with SpaceX. And it's what thirty nine billion
dollars that the government is paying SpaceX to launch up.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
To the space to the space station.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's the only way that the astronauts can get up there.
It's the only way that we can go into space
as SpaceX. And Trump is saying, we're going to cut
a lot of this, or we're going to cut all
of it. And I heard yesterday that Musk said, I'm
going to decommission my spacecraft, so there'll be no way
(10:22):
for you guys to get up into space. And there
may be a couple of astronauts are a little pissed
off that are going to be staying there forever. I
mean they it's it's getting so good. Also, Elon Musk
is really upset. And Trump mentioned this that all of
the benefits, the credits that go to people who own
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evs and charging, et cetera, will be cut. And Elon Musk, well,
what a test? What is Tesla? It's an EV and
and the EV manufacturers, particularly Tesla, rely on government credits
and and help, which is all going to go away.
And one of the reasons that Elon Musk has gone
(11:05):
south on Trump, and this is according to Trump, is
that he took away the benefits that these EV manufacturers
now have from the government. It's just getting so good,
and we're going to see more and more attacks. Boy,
this is well, as I said Washington Post and this
(11:26):
is the first paragraph. The alliance between President Donald Trump
and Elon Musk spectacularly imploded yesterday Thursday, as the world's
most prominent bromance collapsed in the mutual public trolley. So
you have the richest man of the world who's an
egomaniac fighting the president of the United States, who is
(11:48):
also an egomaniac and has been given more power than
any existing president in the history of our country by
Congress and has taken more power and has a.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Supreme Court that likes him a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's going to get better and better and better, all right.
Something in my wheelhouse and found this and it is
a story about a twenty five year old guy, an entrepreneur,
Kian Sadegi or Sajaye, who founded this company called Nucleus
(12:26):
Genomics and Genomics Genomics, and it is a company that
tests embryos or tests a single cell in embryos. Today
you can test embryos. It is the technology is amazing.
Now we go back to when I started practicing and
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was involved in teaching a course in reproductive law, and
we knew where science was going. And this was at
the infancy of IVF. It was the infancy of egg freezing.
But he knew genetic testing was on its way. And
it's interesting how embryos are tested genetically. You have an
(13:08):
eight cell embryo, they can take one eighth of it,
one single cell, and remove it, test it and the
other cells. It's like a salamander grow and then there
you go. And so testing today, DNA testing is pretty
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sophisticated stuff. For example, there are tests that can be
done to determine genetic conditions like Down syndrome, TAYSAC, sickle
cell anemia, and the doctors, the embryologists can actually test
for those and tell perspective parents that this embryo, this
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child to be has this disease, and of course those
embryos are not used. You can also use DNA testing
to determine the sex of a child. That's easy, and
here it gets a little ethical because parents can choose
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the sex of a child, can decide to use a
male embryo or a female embryo. Now there are other
ways of doing it. For example, my kids that are
product of IVF, it was we chose, it wasn't meos.
Marjorie wanted girls and used technology, well not really technology.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
There is a non embryonic way of choosing whether or
not you're going to have a child that is one
sex or the other. And in that case it's sperm spinning.
They put sperm in a centrifugeon because the male goes
a long way back as an extra chromosome or the
female does. It's heavier and it doesn't spin out as
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as far. I mean, it's it's kind of rudimentary, but
it does work eighty percent of the time. And that's
exactly what we used, is sperm spinning. Now my case
was a little different because I just spent around just
standing up and spinning around like an ice skater, and
then produced the sperm sample. Now I almost fell over
because of course I was very dizzy, So we did
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it on a different way of doing it. Don't shake
your head stop it in any case. The genetic part
of the science part of.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
This is two things.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
One is the Tasax version that you know exactly what
kind of gene now this is a single gene that
is Huntington's.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I think you can tell, and you can also tell
the sex.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Okay, fair enough. One of the ethical problems, and this
is something we studied, we knew this is going to
come up, is with genetic engineering, with manipulating genes.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Even though it's not being done.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Now we are literally at the cusp of making kids
embryos and then to be kids stronger, taller, have blue eyes,
blonde hair, so they can be perfectly Arran faster.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sounds like Robert heinlein novel, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I think one of them did exactly that, And there's
some real ethical concerns about that, I mean, big ones.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Let me tell you what this company is doing.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
First of all, the analysis is six thousand dollars and
what it does is assess up to nine hundred condition
and gives probability assessments for IQ and height. Exactly what
I was telling you. But it's not about creating kids.
It's about telling parents the probability of having kids that
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have high IQ, that are going to be taller, that
are probably have a propensity to have cancer of certain types,
that are going to, for example, have a propensity to drink. Now,
non scientifically they can tell who has a propensity to drink.
(17:24):
They're called the Irish who get drunk on a very
regular basis, got it?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But this is science. Any Irish people there that I've offended,
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And this is nine hundred tests that are being done
that give parents the probability.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Now, a lot of it has to do with lifestyle
they're not.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Saying they when you find tas acts or sickle cell anemi.
Yet it's in the gene. I mean, there's no issue.
This one assesses probabilities. It just assesses prepared density and
therefore parents have a right to look at that embryo.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Go Nah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Maybe another one is better because embryos, different embryos have
different different is different categories of embryos. Some are stronger
than others. Uh, some have a better chance of developing. Uh,
some have some genetic information that the other ones don't.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Uh. And uh so which way do they go on this? Well?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Uh, the chronic disease part is easy, even the probability.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The sex part is easy. Although you know that's a
little little ethical.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You know, Eskimo is leaving the girls out there in
front of the little doors on their igloose. You know,
there's a story about this is societies that want males only.
Now this issue, Yeah, propensities I don't have a problem with,
and a lot of people do.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But literally on the edge, we're literally on the very edge.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Of creating better and I put that in quotes better
kids down syndrome has another one you can tell if
someone has downs, and frankly, if I'm looking at an embryo,
which the doctors did, and the kid is going to
have the child to be is going to have downs,
not going to do it, not going to do it,
(19:28):
And so here is I'll tell you what's going to happen.
Can you imagine me as an embryo and the embryologist
telling the parents we're looking at Bill's genes and this
is a no go, just on the genes themselves. Forget
about propensities for everything. This is just a handle gene.
Thank goodness, I'm already way.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Past the embryo stage.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Okay, I'm done a little bit of levity, but very
serious topic, really a very serious topic where they where
science is going to all.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Right, finished on that one.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
China and Donald Trump is getting a lot of grief
for barring international students and tossing them out, particularly the Chinese,
and curtailing visas for students from all over the world
coming in. And here's let me tell you the downside.
And then I'm going to tell you where I'm actually going
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to defend Donald Trump on this one.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
China is winning on this one.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The United States is at the forefront of research is
at the forefront of technology. In terms of the universities,
nothing compares to what the US does except for China,
which is growing dramatically. China is spending buckets of money
and recruiting all kinds of researchers and medical experts, and
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believe me, they're succeeding, especially now what's going out at
Harvard and Columbia.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
This is where the top researchers are, the Ivy League.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And it's they're just getting a lot of these people
as the US is losing people because of what's going on,
and not only because visas are not being granted. A
lot of these students stay in the United States because
this is a great place to do research. China is
spending an enormous amount of money and is quickly gaining
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and will quickly surpass the United States in this field
of research and innovation. And Trump is helping this situation
big time. Not only because physically people aren't going to
be here. Physically you've got Chinese students and researchers being
thrown out, but just the fear of what's going to happen,
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so a lot of grief. But let me tell you
something about particularly Chinese students. Donald Trump says, we have
a real issue with these Chinese students and researchers in
terms of national security. How many stories have you heard
of straight out espionage of the Chinese coming in this
country and stealing from the United States, stealing research, stealing secrets,
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stealing processes. China just doesn't care. They're just fine taking everything.
And we also have you know, they copy. They don't
believe in trademark protection. I mean, China does that. Now,
are there ways of dealing with it without tossing out people.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That are here? I don't know how you deal with it.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You can do it with a broad brush and just
throw out all the Chinese students and not give visas
for top students, top teachers, top researchers.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You can do that.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
We can do that, but it costs. It costs us
big time. So you have noball laureatees going to China.
They have a campus, a research campus that is incredible.
Looks like the Apple cap campus in northern California. It
is extraordinary. They're spending that much money. The problem is
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the ones that are here, and we see it all
the time. Chinese students and researchers selling secrets or stealing
information and giving it to their government.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean that is happening.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So do you vet these people more or do you
take that broadbrush and just say they're not coming in. Well,
the Trump administration is using the broadbrush approach for sure,
and then reinstating Harvard for example, Harvard loses two billion dollars. Well,
there isn't any money, there's no grant money for these
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programs of which these top researchers are there.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Where are they going to go? They're going to go
to China.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The Chinese students are going back, and Americans are going
to China to do research because China is willing to
who open the door and welcome them. And today it's
just not a good place to be in the United
States if you're a foreign anything.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's a tough place to go. All right, This is
KFI AM six point forty. You've been listening to the
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