June 23, 2025 • 25 mins
(June 23,2025)
KFI White House correspondent Jon Decker joins the show to discuss what is next for the US after the airstrikes on Iran. Critics dispute legality of Trump’s Iran strikes.‘Killer bees’ spreading across the US have trail of death and terror.
KFI White House correspondent Jon Decker joins the show to discuss what is next for the US after the airstrikes on Iran. Critics dispute legality of Trump’s Iran strikes.‘Killer bees’ spreading across the US have trail of death and terror.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle here on a Monday morning,
June twenty third.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh boys, so much going on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What a weekend it has been right as of right
now after the attack on Iran on his nuclear facilities
in the order by the President. We're going to talk
a lot more about that throughout the show. John Decker,
who is KFI iHeart and kfi's White House correspondent, is
(00:34):
right now at the Hague Dog in the Netherlands at
the NATO summit. John, it must be just an uproar
right now over there and NATO must be spinning after
the attack on Iran.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, it's the top item on the agenda, Bill, I mean,
three weeks ago it likely wasn't even on the agenda.
But now after the Israeli strike which happened beginning ten
days ago, the US strikes on those three nuclear sites.
When the President arrives here in the Netherlands tomorrow, this
will be the top item on the agenda. It's what
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every NATO ally wants to speak with the President about,
wants to get a sense about what his goals are
short term and long term. Concerning Iran, well, when.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You think about NATO, Iran is not part of NATO.
Israel is not part of NATO.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This has to do with the defense of Europe for
the most part of the NATO country and there are
twenty eight countries part of NATO. I think somewhere in
those lines is there two?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh wow? Okay, so they just keep on lining up.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
How NATO is Are the NATO countries frightened that this
would expand somehow into Europe, this is going to affect them?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well absolutely, you know, there are has been in just
the past twenty four hours issued by the State Department
and alert to any American traveling overseas to exercise caution.
There's a concern, you know that the retaliation, the reprisal
coming from Iran could potentially impact some, if not many,
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of the European countries that will be represented here at
the NATO summit, which will last two days. In addition
to that, every US military base overseas is on high alert.
And let's not forget there's a lot of shipping, American
shipping that goes through the Strait of Hormuz that too,
potentially is at risk because of a potential Iranian reprisal
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attack on American interests.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, and the Strait of Hormuz being shut down, which
it can be for a period of time. I mean
the Strait of Cromus for people that aren't really familiar
with it. Is that area with Iran on one side,
and I think is the Emirates on the other side.
That tiny strip of water that goes from the Persian
Gulf into the Mediterranean and twenty percent of the world's
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oil supply goes through that, and Iran has the ability
of stopping it cold. But is there a realistic fear
of that, because I think that has the most effect internationally.
Is there a realistic fear that they would, I would argue,
cut themselves off economically and commit suicide economically if they
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were to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, that's a threat that they are willing to take.
You know, I think it would impact just about every
country in Europe with oil prices being impacted. We already
see that with oil prices going up by at least
three percent since Iran has threatened to take this action
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in terms of shutting down the straight up homos. But
you know, look, I think that Iran is not in
a position of strength. They're in a position of weakness
right now. Their air defenses have been decimated by Israel.
In addition to that, you know, we know what the
US did over the weekend with these three nuclear sites.
And so what every one of our NATO allies is
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urging Ieron to do is go down the road of
diplomacy and de escalation. That is something that they are
essentially speaking with one voice when they deliver that message
to the Iranian government.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All right, so let me ask this in terms of
they head to state and the foreign ministers that were there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
What's the buzz?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
How do they look at Donald Trump? I mean, they've
never seen a president like this. What's the take that
he's said? You can't rely on him. He's nuts, He's
not all there. He is a world leader that knows
exactly what he's doing. And you have to pay real attention.
What's the general consensus there?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
If there is one, well, you know you're talking about
you know, thirty one other countries. Every country has a
differ from view of Donald Trump. You know, when you're
talking about Hungary and Turkey, they have a different view
than some of our traditional Western European allies. That all
being said, President Trump deserged every NATO ally to step
(05:13):
up to pay their fair share as it relates to
their defense budgets. And indeed is what was voted on yesterday,
agreed to by the NATO allies was that they will
do so within a ten year timeframe. And you know,
you think back to when the President was first urging
NATO to do this when he was president the first
goal around. A lot of progress has been made on
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this front just over the course of the past decade.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, that's one of the things that I completely agree
with the President. I hold him in esteem for that
one is forcing them to do what they promised to
do in terms of defense. Their resentment do they view him,
And let's talk about our Western allies, our traditional Western
allies France, Germany, England, etc. Is he looked at with
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some fear intrepidation.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, he's certainly not. You know, who has presided over
the United States foreign policy during the prior four years,
Joe Biden was seen as an internationalist, someone who was
a strong ally of the NATO Defense Alliance that you know,
had the same viewpoint of our NATO allies as it
relates to the war in Ukraine. President Trump does it,
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and so I think that that is one of the
interesting dynamics at play here when the President comes to
the Netherlands where I am right now, when he arrives tomorrow,
it's going to just be interesting Bill to see how
all that all that dynamic plays out when the President
meets with his counterparts.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, enjoyed the Federals there, by the way, They're very,
very good in Holland. And I know you have a
lot of stuff to do, so we have to take
an early break. John, thank you for joining us. Always
always appreciate your input on this.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I appreciate it. Have a good day. Holland is great,
by the way, great country.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Everybody speaks English, by the way, everybody over there.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
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Speaker 1 (08:44):
Okay, gee, in case.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You've been living under a rock and you have no
idea what happened. As this weekend went on, the President
decided that in fact, he was going to attack the
nuclear facilities that Iran had, three different areas, three different
nuclear facilities, that Iran was well, it was building the bomb. Now,
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a couple of things before I get into the argument
that it was illegal or not illegal, and that is
this plan to bomb Iran has been going on for
quite a while. Netanyahu has been begging the President to
attack Iran and its nuclear facilities. There was actually some
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controversy which I don't understand, where some Americans Fetterman, well, no,
Fetterman is pro Israel, the senator. But there are people
actually within the Republican Party that have argued that Iran
really wasn't building the bomb. It was they hadn't put
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it together yet, They hadn't actually taken the uranium and
put the pieces together to have a nuclear weapon. Natanyahu
said they were days from actually finishing that up. Others
were saying it was weeks before they did that. And
what I heard is that the Chief Hancho, the Grand Vizier,
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the Imperial Wizard of Iran JMANI had not yet decided
because he makes all the decisions.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's a theocracy.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Where the Grand Moulah, who he is, really decides everything
in the end, and so he hadn't actually decided. So
therefore Iran wasn't that close. But here is my question
about Iran not being that close. It has some thirty
thousand centrifuges. So why do you need so many centrifuges,
(10:48):
Because that is how you purify uranium for weaponization. It
takes about two to three percent of your uranium purification
for peaceful purposes. For example, to run a nuclear reactor,
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it takes about ninety percent pure uranium that has been
processed to create a nuclear weapon. Iran keeps on insisting
that all of its nuclear attempts, all of its nuclear
production in terms of uranium, is for peaceful purposes. And
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so there are countries around the world, including the United States,
that have argued and have offered tell you what, if
these are for peaceful purposes and all you're doing is
using nuclear reactors to provide power, tell you what, you
don't create your own uranium will do it and will
ship it to you. Not a problem, and Iran says
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absolutely not. We're gonna do it ourselves. We're gonna do
it in secret. We are not going to let the
International Atomic Energy folks come in. This is the overseeing
organization that actually monitors what's going on around the world.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
They can't come in.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We're putting our quote peaceful uranium processing and purification underground
three hundred feet. But it's only for people peaceful purposes,
mind you. And there's actually an argument saying they have
no intention of creating a bomb or there are a
couple of years away from it, and.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Excuse me. And in reality, if you are looking for.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Peaceful purposes for that, which they completely proclaim, why would
you do that but for creating an atomic weapon? And
there are folks in Iran. Iran has officially said that well, no,
officially it is for people peaceful purposes, but it is
also said that it is doing it to deter a
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foreign invasion for its own self defense. And this is
my question about Iran, about Gaza and Hamas. You know,
do you really think that it but for your craziness
that you're going to be attacked?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Who is going to attack Iran.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
If Iran doesn't want the death of Israel, the death
of the United States, You know, why don't you just
pay attention to your own people. You know there are
one hundred Do you think that the Netherlands has people
that are smart enough to create a bomb?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Really?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Don't you think Germany has enough brains to create the bomb?
Of course they do. But you know who's going to
attack Germany? Why who's going to unleash this huge attack
on Germany. It used to be that the fear of Russia,
which is why NATO is around.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But you know who's going to go to war?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Which country in the Mid East is going to attack Iran?
You just wait if Saundi Arabia wants to be left alone,
the Emirates wanted to be left alone.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Just let us do our thing.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Now we have to give lip service, of course, to
the Palestinians. Do you know how many people are helping
out Hamas in terms of its defense to against Israel?
Zero nobody. You want to know why, because Hamas is
only interested in the destruction of Israel to their stupidity,
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and all these other countries just want to just leave
us alone. We want to take care of our people.
We want to take care of our economy, not Iran.
Iran wents to the destruction of Israel. That's critical to
the more important than their own economy. Certainly Hamas is
in that situation. And occasionally you have people organizations like oh,
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Hezbollah that insolidarity to Gaza, came in and attacked Israel.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Boy that worked out for them, didn't it. Fifteen thousand, fifteen.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Thousand military personnel, their army decimated, wiped out.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So they're leaving it alone. Everybody's leaving it alone.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Iran right now is a pariah from the entire rest
of the world while it tries to build its nuclear weapons,
nuclear arsenal, and we don't know the kind of destruction.
I don't think we're ever going to know what happened
in those plants. I don't think Iran will ever let
us know how much destruction is there.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, argument.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Is what President Trump did in ordering the attack on
Iran legal. Democrats are saying, no, it's not legal because
what Trump did is in violation of the law, which
is absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
He is in technical violation.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And Amy brought up an interesting point asking about Obama
and when he attacked it, he asked for congressional approval.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Did not.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And herein lies the issue, and that is under the law.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well, first of all, declaration of war.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I love that the last time the United States actually
declared war was nineteen forty one, December eighth, nineteen forty one,
after the attack.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
On Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And the attack on a country by another country is
pretty much a declaration of war under international law. Now,
Japan never declared war on the United States. All it
did was attack the United States at Pearl Harbor. Does
anybody argue that was not a declaration of war. So
that's an easy one. Now the other ones not so easy.
(16:54):
And in this case, this is an argument that under
the law, what the president did was completely illegal. Under
the War Powers Act, which says that Congress must be
must be brought in, that Congress is must vote on
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whether the president can do so. Constitution says only Congress
can declare war, not the president. Now that disappeared very
quickly the Korean War. Other involvements, for example, the Gulf
tong Kin Gulf of Tong King Tong King resolution that
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brought us into the Vietnam War, that President Johnson manufactured
by the way, the attack on a US force on
the United States shipping in open waters, which, by the way,
it probably didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now, how is it How is the president within.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The law by making a singular decision, unilateral decision to
attack Iran, which I don't know how that's not a
declaration of war?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But how is it not a declaration of war?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
How is it that under a couple of laws that
Congress passed he must consult with Congress. Well, under the law,
he can order the military to do whatever it wants,
an attack in the case of a sudden attack, or
respond to emergencies. Now that's an interesting one. The attack
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on Iran.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And here's the argument.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How is Iran prior to building an atomic weapon and
not quite putting it together although it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Was going to.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
How is that a either sudden attack or an emergency
to the United States? Even if Iran has the bomb,
it can't deliver the bomb to the United States. It
doesn't have the ability to do that. Now, is it
a threat to Israel? Of course it is? Is it
a threat to us? And herein lies the argument that
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the President is making, and it will go to court,
is that he defines what is an emergency, much like
he defined that the migrants coming across the border is
an invasion, much like him deciding.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
For example, to bring it to.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Federalize the National Guard in Los Angeles because those protests
were a well they were a direct attack on the
United States, that it was open rebellion. Now, I've never
heard of open rebellion based on a protest that were
for most part legal, But he's made that decision, and
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based on that, the argument is he legally did that.
So did the president legally declare basically declare war on Iran?
I don't think so, but it doesn't matter. A president
today can pretty well determine whatever he or she wants
to do, and what's Congress going to do pass another law,
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which certainly Trump with veto in two seconds. So that's
an argument that can be made legal or no legal.
And of course the Democrats are going berzerk arguing that it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Was an illegal move.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But you know, when Obama did much the same thing,
all of a sudden, it was the other side that
argued the illegality, and it's all crazy other than we
now are looking at Iran and what is the response
going to be and our US troops. US asked, it's
going to be attacked in the Mid East probably, and
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is the Strait of Horror Moves being closed off because
that is the main ammunition that Iran has.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Now can it be opened up again? Of course it can,
cause all he can do is mine the Strait of
Horror Moves and.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's weeks to unmine it. So we have to find
out what's going on. Iran has not yet retaliated, and
it's just thinking, just thinking what it's going to do.
This morning during the news, Amy reported that there was
an attack on what several people that one a man
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died and three people were taken to the hospital and
there was a woman with some horses and the horses
ended up dying.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
And it's why how.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Killer bees killer bees africanize bees. A little bit of
history here, going back to nineteen fifty six, there was
a brilliant a Brazilian geneticist who brought bees from Africa
and decided he was going to mate them with regular
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honey bees. So he was going to do a high
bred because Brazil's clients it wasn't really good for bees,
and he was going to create this Brazilian friendly bee. Well,
a few dozen queen bees escaped, went into the forest,
and the Africanized bees came into our lives.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And what happened is it went the other way.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
They weren't more gentle and easier to breed in the
Brazilian climate.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
They became killer bees.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And man, you get involved with the killer bee swarm,
it is not easy. They will chase you and sting you,
and I mean by the thousands, to protect their territory
up to a mile away. I mean they'll go even
in traffic, they'll go right through it all to attack someone.
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And the general rule is if you are being attacked
followed by a group of bees, run like hell. That
is your only defense. Get out of the run as
quickly as you can. If you happen to be an
amputee and don't have one leg and you're hopping, you
are dead. It's that simple. How did this happen and
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where are they going? Well, unfortunately up from Brazil, I
think it was some Polo area where I came from.
They have moved upwards and they were going to go
really slowly. In forty years they hit the United States,
went through the northern part of South America, went through
Central America, Mexico, and now they are in Texas, they
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are along the West coast, they are in southern California,
they are in Nevada, they're in Arizona. And this is
no fun. Damn Brazilians. Hey, stick to dancing the samba.
You know, look what you did. We should declare war
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on Brazil just for that. Bomb the hell out of
oh that Brazil doesn't have any atomic weapons and all
Brazil has our Brazilian stuff. They have a lot of
palm trees in which they grow hearts of palm. Let's
bomb them. Killer bees.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Let's start by rounding up all their women. Yeah you know, yeah,
that's true. That's true. This is horrible. The killer bees.
He gets stuck with one.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Now, they're not many out there, but you want to
most bees, you know, you leave alone killer bees.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You can literally be mowing a lawn a mile.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Away and they view that as an attack on their hives.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh boys, so much going on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What a weekend it has been right as of right
now after the attack on Iran on his nuclear facilities
in the order by the President. We're going to talk
a lot more about that throughout the show. John Decker,
who is KFI iHeart and kfi's White House correspondent, is
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right now at the Hague Dog in the Netherlands at
the NATO summit. John, it must be just an uproar
right now over there and NATO must be spinning after
the attack on Iran.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, it's the top item on the agenda, Bill, I mean,
three weeks ago it likely wasn't even on the agenda.
But now after the Israeli strike which happened beginning ten
days ago, the US strikes on those three nuclear sites.
When the President arrives here in the Netherlands tomorrow, this
will be the top item on the agenda. It's what
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every NATO ally wants to speak with the President about,
wants to get a sense about what his goals are
short term and long term. Concerning Iran, well, when.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You think about NATO, Iran is not part of NATO.
Israel is not part of NATO.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This has to do with the defense of Europe for
the most part of the NATO country and there are
twenty eight countries part of NATO. I think somewhere in
those lines is there two?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh wow? Okay, so they just keep on lining up.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
How NATO is Are the NATO countries frightened that this
would expand somehow into Europe, this is going to affect them?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well absolutely, you know, there are has been in just
the past twenty four hours issued by the State Department
and alert to any American traveling overseas to exercise caution.
There's a concern, you know that the retaliation, the reprisal
coming from Iran could potentially impact some, if not many,
(02:19):
of the European countries that will be represented here at
the NATO summit, which will last two days. In addition
to that, every US military base overseas is on high alert.
And let's not forget there's a lot of shipping, American
shipping that goes through the Strait of Hormuz that too,
potentially is at risk because of a potential Iranian reprisal
(02:42):
attack on American interests.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, and the Strait of Hormuz being shut down, which
it can be for a period of time. I mean
the Strait of Cromus for people that aren't really familiar
with it. Is that area with Iran on one side,
and I think is the Emirates on the other side.
That tiny strip of water that goes from the Persian
Gulf into the Mediterranean and twenty percent of the world's
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oil supply goes through that, and Iran has the ability
of stopping it cold. But is there a realistic fear
of that, because I think that has the most effect internationally.
Is there a realistic fear that they would, I would argue,
cut themselves off economically and commit suicide economically if they
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were to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, that's a threat that they are willing to take.
You know, I think it would impact just about every
country in Europe with oil prices being impacted. We already
see that with oil prices going up by at least
three percent since Iran has threatened to take this action
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in terms of shutting down the straight up homos. But
you know, look, I think that Iran is not in
a position of strength. They're in a position of weakness
right now. Their air defenses have been decimated by Israel.
In addition to that, you know, we know what the
US did over the weekend with these three nuclear sites.
And so what every one of our NATO allies is
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urging Ieron to do is go down the road of
diplomacy and de escalation. That is something that they are
essentially speaking with one voice when they deliver that message
to the Iranian government.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All right, so let me ask this in terms of
they head to state and the foreign ministers that were there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
What's the buzz?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
How do they look at Donald Trump? I mean, they've
never seen a president like this. What's the take that
he's said? You can't rely on him. He's nuts, He's
not all there. He is a world leader that knows
exactly what he's doing. And you have to pay real attention.
What's the general consensus there?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
If there is one, well, you know you're talking about
you know, thirty one other countries. Every country has a
differ from view of Donald Trump. You know, when you're
talking about Hungary and Turkey, they have a different view
than some of our traditional Western European allies. That all
being said, President Trump deserged every NATO ally to step
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up to pay their fair share as it relates to
their defense budgets. And indeed is what was voted on yesterday,
agreed to by the NATO allies was that they will
do so within a ten year timeframe. And you know,
you think back to when the President was first urging
NATO to do this when he was president the first
goal around. A lot of progress has been made on
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this front just over the course of the past decade.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, that's one of the things that I completely agree
with the President. I hold him in esteem for that
one is forcing them to do what they promised to
do in terms of defense. Their resentment do they view him,
And let's talk about our Western allies, our traditional Western
allies France, Germany, England, etc. Is he looked at with
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some fear intrepidation.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, he's certainly not. You know, who has presided over
the United States foreign policy during the prior four years,
Joe Biden was seen as an internationalist, someone who was
a strong ally of the NATO Defense Alliance that you know,
had the same viewpoint of our NATO allies as it
relates to the war in Ukraine. President Trump does it,
(06:28):
and so I think that that is one of the
interesting dynamics at play here when the President comes to
the Netherlands where I am right now, when he arrives tomorrow,
it's going to just be interesting Bill to see how
all that all that dynamic plays out when the President
meets with his counterparts.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, enjoyed the Federals there, by the way, They're very,
very good in Holland. And I know you have a
lot of stuff to do, so we have to take
an early break. John, thank you for joining us. Always
always appreciate your input on this.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I appreciate it. Have a good day. Holland is great,
by the way, great country.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Everybody speaks English, by the way, everybody over there.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Before we go, a couple announcements I want to make.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
First of all, this Saturday, I am m seeing the
sixteenth anniversary concert of the Lawyers LA Lawyers Philharmonic.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And Legal Voices.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
These are people in the legal field in southern California, lawyers, paralegals,
judges who play in this orchestra and in the choir
Legal Voices, and it's going to be a tremendous orchestral
evening and love to have you join me. As I said,
I'm seeing and they're playing Carmina Burana and Phanom.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Of the opera pieces.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's just gonna be a lot of fun and tickets
are pretty inexpensive twenty bucks on and so if you're
interested in going, it's Saturday night at the Walt Disney
Concert Hall. It's always fun to do to go to
La lawyersphil dot org and that's Phil as in Philharmonic
La Lawyers Phil dot org. And hope to see you
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there on Saturday night. And got some real surprises going
on too. And then don't forget to handle ask Handle anything.
We do that every Friday, so at this point we
get phone calls during the week to ask me anything.
It's all personal and embarrassing stuff which I generally tell
you about.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And the way to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Is during the course of the show, you go to
the iHeartRadio app click on the bill handle show and
then the microphone in the upper right hand corner click
on that, and then just record a question. That's it,
and Neil chooses the ones that embarrass me the most
and we go on. And that's Friday eight thirty to
nine o'clock right after the Fork Report or Foody Friday.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Okay, gee, in case.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You've been living under a rock and you have no
idea what happened. As this weekend went on, the President
decided that in fact, he was going to attack the
nuclear facilities that Iran had, three different areas, three different
nuclear facilities, that Iran was well, it was building the bomb. Now,
(09:11):
a couple of things before I get into the argument
that it was illegal or not illegal, and that is
this plan to bomb Iran has been going on for
quite a while. Netanyahu has been begging the President to
attack Iran and its nuclear facilities. There was actually some
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controversy which I don't understand, where some Americans Fetterman, well, no,
Fetterman is pro Israel, the senator. But there are people
actually within the Republican Party that have argued that Iran
really wasn't building the bomb. It was they hadn't put
(09:55):
it together yet, They hadn't actually taken the uranium and
put the pieces together to have a nuclear weapon. Natanyahu
said they were days from actually finishing that up. Others
were saying it was weeks before they did that. And
what I heard is that the Chief Hancho, the Grand Vizier,
(10:15):
the Imperial Wizard of Iran JMANI had not yet decided
because he makes all the decisions.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's a theocracy.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Where the Grand Moulah, who he is, really decides everything
in the end, and so he hadn't actually decided. So
therefore Iran wasn't that close. But here is my question
about Iran not being that close. It has some thirty
thousand centrifuges. So why do you need so many centrifuges,
(10:48):
Because that is how you purify uranium for weaponization. It
takes about two to three percent of your uranium purification
for peaceful purposes. For example, to run a nuclear reactor,
(11:09):
it takes about ninety percent pure uranium that has been
processed to create a nuclear weapon. Iran keeps on insisting
that all of its nuclear attempts, all of its nuclear
production in terms of uranium, is for peaceful purposes. And
(11:31):
so there are countries around the world, including the United States,
that have argued and have offered tell you what, if
these are for peaceful purposes and all you're doing is
using nuclear reactors to provide power, tell you what, you
don't create your own uranium will do it and will
ship it to you. Not a problem, and Iran says
(11:55):
absolutely not. We're gonna do it ourselves. We're gonna do
it in secret. We are not going to let the
International Atomic Energy folks come in. This is the overseeing
organization that actually monitors what's going on around the world.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
They can't come in.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We're putting our quote peaceful uranium processing and purification underground
three hundred feet. But it's only for people peaceful purposes,
mind you. And there's actually an argument saying they have
no intention of creating a bomb or there are a
couple of years away from it, and.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Excuse me. And in reality, if you are looking for.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Peaceful purposes for that, which they completely proclaim, why would
you do that but for creating an atomic weapon? And
there are folks in Iran. Iran has officially said that well, no,
officially it is for people peaceful purposes, but it is
also said that it is doing it to deter a
(13:04):
foreign invasion for its own self defense. And this is
my question about Iran, about Gaza and Hamas. You know,
do you really think that it but for your craziness
that you're going to be attacked?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Who is going to attack Iran.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
If Iran doesn't want the death of Israel, the death
of the United States, You know, why don't you just
pay attention to your own people. You know there are
one hundred Do you think that the Netherlands has people
that are smart enough to create a bomb?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Really?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Don't you think Germany has enough brains to create the bomb?
Of course they do. But you know who's going to
attack Germany? Why who's going to unleash this huge attack
on Germany. It used to be that the fear of Russia,
which is why NATO is around.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But you know who's going to go to war?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Which country in the Mid East is going to attack Iran?
You just wait if Saundi Arabia wants to be left alone,
the Emirates wanted to be left alone.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Just let us do our thing.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Now we have to give lip service, of course, to
the Palestinians. Do you know how many people are helping
out Hamas in terms of its defense to against Israel?
Zero nobody. You want to know why, because Hamas is
only interested in the destruction of Israel to their stupidity,
(14:33):
and all these other countries just want to just leave
us alone. We want to take care of our people.
We want to take care of our economy, not Iran.
Iran wents to the destruction of Israel. That's critical to
the more important than their own economy. Certainly Hamas is
in that situation. And occasionally you have people organizations like oh,
(14:58):
Hezbollah that insolidarity to Gaza, came in and attacked Israel.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Boy that worked out for them, didn't it. Fifteen thousand, fifteen.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Thousand military personnel, their army decimated, wiped out.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So they're leaving it alone. Everybody's leaving it alone.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Iran right now is a pariah from the entire rest
of the world while it tries to build its nuclear weapons,
nuclear arsenal, and we don't know the kind of destruction.
I don't think we're ever going to know what happened
in those plants. I don't think Iran will ever let
us know how much destruction is there.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, argument.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Is what President Trump did in ordering the attack on
Iran legal. Democrats are saying, no, it's not legal because
what Trump did is in violation of the law, which
is absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
He is in technical violation.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And Amy brought up an interesting point asking about Obama
and when he attacked it, he asked for congressional approval.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Did not.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And herein lies the issue, and that is under the law.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well, first of all, declaration of war.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I love that the last time the United States actually
declared war was nineteen forty one, December eighth, nineteen forty one,
after the attack.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
On Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And the attack on a country by another country is
pretty much a declaration of war under international law. Now,
Japan never declared war on the United States. All it
did was attack the United States at Pearl Harbor. Does
anybody argue that was not a declaration of war. So
that's an easy one. Now the other ones not so easy.
(16:54):
And in this case, this is an argument that under
the law, what the president did was completely illegal. Under
the War Powers Act, which says that Congress must be
must be brought in, that Congress is must vote on
(17:16):
whether the president can do so. Constitution says only Congress
can declare war, not the president. Now that disappeared very
quickly the Korean War. Other involvements, for example, the Gulf
tong Kin Gulf of Tong King Tong King resolution that
(17:36):
brought us into the Vietnam War, that President Johnson manufactured
by the way, the attack on a US force on
the United States shipping in open waters, which, by the way,
it probably didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now, how is it How is the president within.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The law by making a singular decision, unilateral decision to
attack Iran, which I don't know how that's not a
declaration of war?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But how is it not a declaration of war?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
How is it that under a couple of laws that
Congress passed he must consult with Congress. Well, under the law,
he can order the military to do whatever it wants,
an attack in the case of a sudden attack, or
respond to emergencies. Now that's an interesting one. The attack
(18:32):
on Iran.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And here's the argument.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How is Iran prior to building an atomic weapon and
not quite putting it together although it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Was going to.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
How is that a either sudden attack or an emergency
to the United States? Even if Iran has the bomb,
it can't deliver the bomb to the United States. It
doesn't have the ability to do that. Now, is it
a threat to Israel? Of course it is? Is it
a threat to us? And herein lies the argument that
(19:05):
the President is making, and it will go to court,
is that he defines what is an emergency, much like
he defined that the migrants coming across the border is
an invasion, much like him deciding.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
For example, to bring it to.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Federalize the National Guard in Los Angeles because those protests
were a well they were a direct attack on the
United States, that it was open rebellion. Now, I've never
heard of open rebellion based on a protest that were
for most part legal, But he's made that decision, and
(19:47):
based on that, the argument is he legally did that.
So did the president legally declare basically declare war on Iran?
I don't think so, but it doesn't matter. A president
today can pretty well determine whatever he or she wants
to do, and what's Congress going to do pass another law,
(20:09):
which certainly Trump with veto in two seconds. So that's
an argument that can be made legal or no legal.
And of course the Democrats are going berzerk arguing that it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Was an illegal move.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But you know, when Obama did much the same thing,
all of a sudden, it was the other side that
argued the illegality, and it's all crazy other than we
now are looking at Iran and what is the response
going to be and our US troops. US asked, it's
going to be attacked in the Mid East probably, and
(20:44):
is the Strait of Horror Moves being closed off because
that is the main ammunition that Iran has.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Now can it be opened up again? Of course it can,
cause all he can do is mine the Strait of
Horror Moves and.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's weeks to unmine it. So we have to find
out what's going on. Iran has not yet retaliated, and
it's just thinking, just thinking what it's going to do.
This morning during the news, Amy reported that there was
an attack on what several people that one a man
(21:21):
died and three people were taken to the hospital and
there was a woman with some horses and the horses
ended up dying.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
And it's why how.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Killer bees killer bees africanize bees. A little bit of
history here, going back to nineteen fifty six, there was
a brilliant a Brazilian geneticist who brought bees from Africa
and decided he was going to mate them with regular
(21:53):
honey bees. So he was going to do a high
bred because Brazil's clients it wasn't really good for bees,
and he was going to create this Brazilian friendly bee. Well,
a few dozen queen bees escaped, went into the forest,
and the Africanized bees came into our lives.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And what happened is it went the other way.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
They weren't more gentle and easier to breed in the
Brazilian climate.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
They became killer bees.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And man, you get involved with the killer bee swarm,
it is not easy. They will chase you and sting you,
and I mean by the thousands, to protect their territory
up to a mile away. I mean they'll go even
in traffic, they'll go right through it all to attack someone.
(22:48):
And the general rule is if you are being attacked
followed by a group of bees, run like hell. That
is your only defense. Get out of the run as
quickly as you can. If you happen to be an
amputee and don't have one leg and you're hopping, you
are dead. It's that simple. How did this happen and
(23:13):
where are they going? Well, unfortunately up from Brazil, I
think it was some Polo area where I came from.
They have moved upwards and they were going to go
really slowly. In forty years they hit the United States,
went through the northern part of South America, went through
Central America, Mexico, and now they are in Texas, they
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are along the West coast, they are in southern California,
they are in Nevada, they're in Arizona. And this is
no fun. Damn Brazilians. Hey, stick to dancing the samba.
You know, look what you did. We should declare war
(24:00):
on Brazil just for that. Bomb the hell out of
oh that Brazil doesn't have any atomic weapons and all
Brazil has our Brazilian stuff. They have a lot of
palm trees in which they grow hearts of palm. Let's
bomb them. Killer bees.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Let's start by rounding up all their women. Yeah you know, yeah,
that's true. That's true. This is horrible. The killer bees.
He gets stuck with one.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Now, they're not many out there, but you want to
most bees, you know, you leave alone killer bees.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You can literally be mowing a lawn a mile.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Away and they view that as an attack on their hives.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
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