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July 25, 2025 26 mins
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DOJ met with longtime Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell… can she be trusted? French President Macron says France will recognize Palestine as a state. Are shoppers abusing Costco’s liberal return policy? 
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty KFI AM sixty Bill Handle.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It is a Friday morning, July twenty five, and oh,
some fun news is coming down for the last two days,
including today, so it'd be yesterday and today. The Deputy
Attorney General Todd Blanche of the United States met with
Julane Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice yesterday for several hours in

(00:36):
Florida at the Attorney US Attorney's office, and today they
will be meeting and discussing the Epstein case. At the
same time, Maxwell is scheduled for a deposition in jail
that was sought by the House Oversight Committee.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And there's an uproar.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Going over here on the Epstein files, and one of
the central questions is whether Maxwell can be trusted to
tell the truth and why is she biased a little bit? Well, yeah,
she's in the middle or she's at the beginning of
a twenty year prison sentence in federal prison, and I'm
assuming she will say anything to bail herself out and

(01:19):
anything that would help the administration. The uproar is a
political uproar, and here's why, because for years Maga and
the president and his followers have said that this list
of Epstein, the Epstein accomplices that exist were part of

(01:41):
a conspiracy, putting together the list to nail conservatives, and
the whole thing was a hoax. Well, okay, with that
being said, you have a new administration, a new Department
of Justice.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Where is that list?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, Attorney General Pam Bondi said it existed.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
She said it's on her desk.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And then a few days later, a couple of weeks later,
dooj comes out and says it doesn't exist, there is
no list, and Maga went crazy, Republicans in Congress went crazy.
Even Trump's ardent supporters are saying, come on, we need transparency.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Why. Well, because, according.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
To reports Wall Street Journal, particularly Pam Bondy told the
president a few weeks ago, his name appeared on that
list that Epstein had all of these names of people
he has dealt with, and the President's name appeared several times. Now,

(02:55):
does that mean the president is guilty of any wrongdoing?
Absolutely not. Bill Clinton's name appears on that list. These
are people that have dealt with Jeffrey Epstein over the years.
I mean, this guy was a player in the sense
of he knew everybody, and he dealt with everybody, He
socialized with everybody. How many of those people knew that

(03:19):
young girls were involved? I think very very few. Prince
Andrew I think did, which is why he got in
so much trouble. He's got the picture of him with
a fourteen year old in the front entrance of Epstein's
apartment in New York. But I mean, do I think
President Trump was involved with underage girls in connection with Epstein?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Bill Clinton, no other major players, other major figures. No,
I think Epstein. I don't think Epstein was that open
with his predilections with young girls. So I don't see

(04:02):
the fallout. Well I do see the fallout and trying
to hide it, because that's exactly what's going on. The
President is doing everything possible to shut this down.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
For weeks now.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
He's been saying, j why don't we go on? Why
do we need Jeffrey Epstein? He's given too much credit,
We're spending too much time on it. Well, guess what
Congress is an uproar. His supporters are an uproar, and
they want transparency. And here is the fear that is
it just his name being on that list.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
What's the political fallout for that?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now I'm no fan of Trump, as you know, but
his name appearing on the list with everybody else's, I'm
not assuming at all that there was any wrongdoing whatsoever.
So what's he trying? Here's the question? If he is
fighting to keep that list secret and the DOJ now said, well, okay,

(05:00):
that list, well, originally it doesn't exist. Well, originally it existed,
then Pamboni agreed to that or admitted that.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Then it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And now the administration is saying we don't want that
list published.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Immediately, the questions become why not? Why not?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Is it just the political fallout that Trump's name appears
on the list?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I guess so. And he is fighting Congress like crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Congress is subpoenaing everybody involved here, especially Julane Maxwell, and
she's being questioned, and she's separately going to be questioning
a position in August August eleventh by the House Oversight Committee,
which is a separate investigation in addition to the DJ

(05:52):
which is going on right now and then. And I'm
going to keep on going on this because there's a
lot more to this as far as her credibility is concern,
because that's in question two. There was supposed to be
a vote on this in Congress. Mike Johnson, the speaker
released everybody early so the vote did not take place.

(06:14):
He dissolved at least stopped the.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well supposed to go on vacation. The vacation started early.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
He put everybody on the sixth week recess of Congress
one day early so the vote would not take place.
And what was the reason he did well because the
DOJ is already investigating, and they're already involved, and we
don't have to get involved, which is a croc. I
wish he would be honest and say the reason I'm

(06:46):
calling a recess one day earlier because the President called
me up and said go ahead and do the recess.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now. I hate the fact.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
That he is there and believes and says cong Trus
is there to move Trump's agenda forward, not for any
other reason, not as a matter of checks and balances
as envisioned by the founders of this country. In his view,
checks and balances don't exist. Congress is there just to

(07:18):
push the the agenda of Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Effectively.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
For those of you who voted for in this case,
your Republican Congress people. You didn't vote for someone to
represent you.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
You voted for.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
A party that's there just to move the agenda of
this administration forward.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Forget about representing you. Boy, isn't that great? Huh?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
All right, now we're going to come back. That's me
going on on my diet tribe. I am so pissed
off about this Mike Johnson thing tries me completely crazy.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
At least there's no secret agenda. There is.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You know, the president says, I'm the president. We're going forward.
This is what I promise to do. This is what
I'm doing. I'm doing exactly what I promise, unlike other presidents.
But Mike Johnson pretending to represent his constituency and pretending
that Congress is doing anything is not doing what it's

(08:14):
supposed to do, drives me nuts. I want to go
back to what is going on with Julane Maxwell, Epstein's
partner in crime, who was actually pimping for him and
getting those fourteen year olds underage girls and actually procuring
them for Jeffrey Epstein. And Epstein would fly everybody on

(08:35):
his private jet to his island. I mean, Epstein had
insane amounts of money, and she was not only part
of that and convicted for that, but she also engaged
in the sexual escapades, So she gets twenty years in
prison for doing that. And Mike Johnson and others are
saying because there is an interview happened yesterday and today

(09:01):
with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche to get as much
information from her as possible relating to that quote Epstein
list which is at the middle of this furor going
on that the Trump administration wants to get rid of
and can't because not only the Democrats are screaming about

(09:22):
the Trump administration they always do, but that Trump's own
supporters are demanding that that list and everything the DOJ
has on Epstein being made public, including that list which
existed under the Biden administration that was being hidden because

(09:42):
of a conspiracy, and now that the Trump administration is
in power, all of a sudden that list doesn't exist,
contrary to what was said before, So there is an uproar.
So Juley Maxwell is being deposed, being questioned by Todd Blanche,

(10:02):
and the question is and even the news outlets are saying,
she is looking to get out. She wants out twenty
years who can let her out. Well, the president can
commute her sentence or reduce her sentence, and she'll say
anything to get out. And by the way, she is
a confirmed liar. She was guilty of perjury. That in

(10:27):
charge her with that because they had all these other crimes.
But in twenty twenty one there was a trial where
false statements were made under oath, she failed to take responsibility.
Convicted of sex trafficking minors and sentenced to twenty years
I said, and the prosecutors wrote in the emotion the
defendant's willingness to brazenly lie under oath about her conduct,

(10:51):
including the conduct charge in the endictment, strongly suggests the
true motive has been and remains to avoid being held accountable,
which means avoid being put in jail or being released early.
So the point that's being made is that she will
say anything to either get out of prison or have

(11:13):
her sentence reduced, and that is her motivation. And no
one even to the point where major news outlets are
saying effectively, she'll say anything to get out of prison.
I mean that kind of you know, I don't see
that with major news outlets saying her motivation no matter

(11:34):
what is to get out of prison. So does she
have a bias to say, oh, no, whatever the list is,
Trump's name is not on it. No at all, not
at all, and then hope that she gets some kind
of reduced sentence. Now, God forbid to the Trump administration.
If that happens, that she goes forward and in those

(11:57):
discussions with Blanche and the deposition, she's being called under
subpoena in front of the House Oversight Committee, she lies
about Trump.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
And I'm just saying this is not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
But if she does and Trump does reduce her sentence
or somehow give her a break, man, what do you
think the fallout is going to be on that one?
Even his most ardent supporters are going nuts and going
and this never happens.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
You do not see the Laura Lumers of this world.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
You don't see the people who broadcast these crazy right
wing conspiracy podcasts who are MAGA, members of MAGA. You
don't see them going after Trump like this. They're going
after Trump like this. And we're gonna see what Julne
Maxwell has to say. And I'll tell you right now

(12:53):
she is a liar. And Mike Johnson speaker question that outright,
how do you believe her? All right, France is going
to recognize Palestinian statehood. That is a very very big deal.
President Emanuel Macron said, that's what he's doing. Why, well,

(13:15):
because he thinks that's going to create a durable and
a just peace in the Middle East. This all happened
that has to do with the war between Israel and Camas.
If it were not for that, this would never even
be brought up among industrialized nations, the G seven, the
Big seven nations. Most of the world recognizes Palestine. By

(13:37):
the way, Unfortunately, Palestine as is recognized as the entire
West Bank, of which five hundred thousand Israelis live there
in settlements. What do you do with half a million
people when they're living in another state, another country that
doesn't particularly like Israelis or jew And you're talking about

(14:03):
the political party that controls Gaza, which is much stronger
than the Palestinian authority. Because there are a bunch of
terrorists and thugs they are there and saying that the
purpose of Hamas is for the destruction of Israel. So
does Visuals stand by and say, sure, we're going to
have all of this happen. Well, not particularly so this

(14:25):
gets a little bit crazy, and there are a lot
of moving people here, moving pieces here. So McCrone said
today the most urgent thing is that the war in
Gaza cease and the civilian population be helped, and he
is really angry, angry as most of the world is
across the world over the continued military operation and Gaza,

(14:48):
where actual starvation has now kicked in. People are truly
starving to death because not only do the attacks continue.
In fifty eight or fifty nine, thousand Palestinians have been killed,
two thirds of which probably are civilians, a third probably
Kamas militants. But international aid that is scheduled to go in,

(15:12):
that trucks are waiting at the Egyptian border to be
sent into Gaza to effectively feed people and give them
medicines is being stopped by Israel. And Israel is just
outright lying and say, oh, we're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
We're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
And when we when we attack schools and hospitals, we're
really attacking Hamas headquarters and control centers and bases, if
you will. That may be true, by the way, because
you know Hamas doesn't it embeds itself in the population. So,
I mean, it is really complicated stuff. And it all

(15:53):
has to do with October seventh, when these terrorists Hamas
terrorists went across the border and attacked Israel, killed twelve
hundred Israelis. And you don't do that with the Netanyahu government.
The next day the war started. Gaza is in rubble

(16:14):
right now. It's decimated. There's nothing left. There's no infrastructure.
I think there's two hospitals. There are no schools, there
are no universities. There is nothing there. And the only
way that people are eating is through humanitarian aid. There's
no way they can grow anything, There's no way they

(16:35):
can manufacture anything.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's all wiped.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Out, and Israel continues. A lot of the reason Israel
continues is Hamas will not sit down and negotiate a peace.
Every time Israel and not a States sit down sits
down with Hamas, they change their tune. As a matter
of fact, US and Israel walked away from the ceasefire talks,
and Guitar just now accusing of Kamas of not acting

(17:00):
in good faith, which they never do.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
In a post on x Marco Rubio, Secretary of State,
says the United States strongly rejects mccrohn's plan. The United
States is firmly in favor of Israel.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
And here is the problem.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Is that the country next to, if you want to
call it a country, it's occupied next to Israel, is
ruled by as governed by a party that in their
constitution calls for the destruction of Israel. And he says,
how do we allow that to happen? And by the way,

(17:41):
if you attack us, taking a page from Donald Trump,
we hit you back twice as hard.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Although twelve hundred people.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Dying and fifty eight thousand people dying on the other
side is not quite we.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Hit you hard. We hit you twice as hard. It
is no easy feet here.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
As a matter of fact, you had the most of
the population, or a great number of population of Israel
trying to cut a deal with Hamas release the hostages.
Kamas still has what about thirty five hostages, which they
think eighteen are still alive.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Kamas holds onto bodies.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Can you imagine that holds onto bodies and uses them
as leverage against Israel as a negotiation negotiating ploy.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
These guys are cockroaches.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And the move was the pressure from the Israeli population
was to release the prisoners, cut a deal with THESS.
Let's do it. Finally, we have to cut a deal. Well,
October seventh happened and it went the other way, and
that is really problematic. So now you have an Attayahu
government that's not stopping. They want Hamas to give up

(18:59):
their arms. They want Hamas to leave Israel or leave
Gaza completely. That's all the plans. They have no infrastructure.
I mean, they're okay, we'll recognize you, I guess. But
again the government Netanyahu doesn't want to recognize the Palestinian state.

(19:20):
Certainly Netanyahu is against that. And you have members of
the government, his government who not only don't want to
recognize the state of Palestine, they want the Palestinians out
of there completely.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
It is pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Much like many Arab countries not so much anymore, called
for throwing the Jews into the sea, and that all
becomes Arab Land. Now you've got Jewish right wingers that
are going the other way and talking about Palestinians leaving
their place, their homeland. I mean, the whole thing is

(19:58):
just a god awful mess, and there doesn't look like
to be anytime soon any way. Out and you got
two sides that are intransigent. You have the Natanyahu government,
the right wing government in control of Israel and democratically elected,
who want nothing to do with the Palestinian statehood. And
then you have Hamas on the other side that doesn't

(20:20):
want to cut a deal with Israel and has no
problem having fifty eight fifty nine thousand, one hundred thousand
Palestinians die. Where do you go with that? I'll tell
you where we go with that? To Costco. That's where
we go. So this week I leave the house and

(20:44):
I tell Lindsey, I'm off to my therapy session. And
my therapy session is going to Costco and walking around
and trying all of the samples, fighting off the Korean
ladies that are moving towards the front, leaving alone those drinks,
those got off of vitamin drinks. But going for the burritos,

(21:07):
going for the little chicken strip cut, very very good,
all right. So one of the things about Costco is
it's return policy. It's say no questions asked return policy
to the extent where people have bought couches and three
years later have returned couches because I don't like them anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Costco takes them back. Costco takes everything back.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
They've never when I have returned shorts, for example, because
I buy a lot of shorts, I am asked what's
wrong with them, but not for the purposes of questioning
my ability to return. They want to know if there's
anything wrong with the shorts. You know, are there is
there a tear they you know, can they re put
them back on the on the rack? And other than that,

(21:56):
no questions ask ask no questions asked at all.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Sure you can return.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
So now the question is our shoppers abusing Costco's return policy. Now,
when I go, I always buy. Unfortunately I forget what
I already have from Costco. So I'll buy something. And
if you come in my garage, I have a palette
of toilet paper, and that's just in case I have

(22:23):
a party with two hundred people all have bad cases
of diarrhea, I am covered. Other than that, oh, also
a palette of paper tells, yeah, that's Costco for you.
Now I have returned items to Costco. I've never abused it,
by the way, never ever, ever, But there are plenty

(22:46):
of people do. And then you've got the chat rooms
and you have people going back and forth where defending
Costco and accusing people of taking it vantage. So we
are now going to do survey, says and Costco shopper.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yes or no? Absolutely return items to Costco. Never actually
I think maybe interesting?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, okay, Amy Costco shopper, of course, Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Return items on occasion.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Okay, return items that other stores would not accept returns no, okay,
legitimate returns.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yes, only if they don't if they don't work or
they don't fit.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Or okay, fair enough defectives okay, wrong color, I've had
that problem. Will Costco shopper yes, okay, return items not yet?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Not yet?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh interesting, I'm new to Costco. I'm following your footsteps.
But okay, got it? And Cono Costco shopper every week.
See look at how many of us are Costco shoppers
return Costco?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Never return, I have returned, I wait to return. Try
going to Costco after the holiday season. Try going right
after Christmas. There are lines around the block just for
the return portion of Costco.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Every day.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
At my Costco, the line is always out the door
for returns.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Drives you completely nuts because I can see if you
get a present from Costco and you know, you just
don't want it. You know, it's one of their I
love their shirts. I mean I would stand there and
accept the shirts all day long. As a matter of fact,
right now I am wearing, strangely enough, a gray Hawaiian
shirt from where from Costco? So I'm out of frozen burritos.

(24:46):
So today I think I'm going to make another run
to Costco. What I don't do is keep a list
of so I can shop once a week or once
every two weeks. Man, I'm just there, just walking around
seeing what's new, figure out and.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Where they move items. You know, they move them all
the time.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Where you used to have a certain item, it's in
another part of the store, or the item disappears. You know.
Michelle's husband works at Costco and has for twenty years.
Michelle Cube, I should act. You know what I should
do is have her on as a guest ooh and

(25:26):
all right, yes, inside Baseball at Costco with Michelle Cube.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I love it because.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Her husband Tim, her husband Tim has been there for
literally twenty years. And she's told me a couple of
things about Costco that are kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
And do you think she'll go on the air and
Sam though I don't know. She might, you can ask her.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
My guess is yeah, you know, I mean she has
no problem talking about her husband working at Costco. I mean,
it's a great job, it's a great place to work.
And I think she'll tell us stuff. I mean, she
will tell us about the rotten food, you know, the
meat that has already turned green that they put food
dye on, you know, say it looks red. By the way,
that's not true. The accusation is not true. The meat

(26:11):
at Costco is insane. The problem is when I have
people over that I really care about, I buy the
prime beef. Man. That's when my Costco that credit card
is two hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yes, a couple of days ago, I went to Costco
fifty two dollars. I have never spent fifty two dollars
at Costco ever, in all the years that I've been
going there. All right, this is KFI A M six forty.
You've been listening to the Bill Handle Show. Catch my
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(26:50):
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