September 22, 2025 • 23 mins
(Sept 22,2025)
What jobs will AI replace, and which are safe? Starbucks workers sue over dress code. Prices out of traditional housing, more Americans are living in RVs.
What jobs will AI replace, and which are safe? Starbucks workers sue over dress code. Prices out of traditional housing, more Americans are living in RVs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI A
M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You are listening to the Bill Handle Show. Here's Neils
of Agra.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Good Monday morning to you, Neil Savadra in the morning crew.
Here Amy is back in her share and we have
Matthew in for Sorry, Matthew, I did know who you were.
I was just looking down and reading something. I was multitasking, which,
as you know, men cannot do. Matthew's in four and
(00:48):
today who's out on vacation as well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
AI.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Maybe it strikes excitement in you, maybe like it does
with me, or maybe it's strikes fear in you like
it does with me. I think it depends on where
it lands and who controls it. It's one of those
things that it is. It's done.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's here.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
There's no way of turning it off, and even if
you tried to make some moral argument in doing so,
it's a global phenomenon. So if we turn off ours,
someone just does it. It's like nukes or guns at
that point here in the United States. If you try
(01:33):
and turn it off, if anybody can get them, then
you know, that's going to be bad people getting them,
so good people should have them too, that type of thing. Right,
So AI is in the spotlight because people want to
know as who what jobs.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Are are going to go to AI?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, first clerical jobs, you know, knowledge job, basic knowledge
jobs where it's just the memorization of things and it
has to replicate that those kinds of I've said this before.
Memory is the lowest form of learning. God bless jeopardy.
But just remembering things is not intellect. Intellect is problem solving,
(02:19):
now don't They're not mutually exclusive by any means, but
truly problem solving is the key to intellect. So can
they solve problems?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
AI is great at solving problems? Are people going, yeah,
but it hallucinates and stuff like? Yeah, but think about
how the short span of time that all this is
taking place. And I will tell you as somebody who
has watched it since day one and really run alongside
it out of fascination. And this is somebody I used
(02:49):
to get paid for doing design and art and all
these things. However, times change types were replaced by computers.
Even bake basic layout artists were replaced by cute but
computers A long time ago, photoshop was able to do
(03:09):
things that used to cost a ton of money to
have somebody do. So I started out as my first
job was a designer. I studied offset printing. I studied
commercial dark room for making print plates, you know type
setting with actual type I had to learn. I think
(03:32):
I did the uh what was it the preamble or
something I had to do for my test in actual
lead type, you know old type, where I had to
you have to set it backwards and reverse all this
crazy stuff and a lot of that went away very quickly,
but it gave me understanding when it comes to AI, Yes,
(03:53):
things are going to be replaced. As a matter of fact,
this may or may not surprise you. I think two
collegiate like high end thinking jobs that will be replaced
in some way or fashion will be medical doctors and lawyers.
(04:15):
Both deal heavily on memorization scientifically being able to memorize
past results, and I think a lot of that works
out now. I don't think it will replace them across
the board, because you will still need the heart and soul,
which is important that comes from caring and searching and
(04:37):
wanting to come up with conclusions. Physical things firefighters, police department,
you know, rescue workers, anybody that's doing something physical will
need to be there. Always social services. However, when you
(05:00):
get to these things, humans are anything that's going to
deal with compassion or empathy. You know a lot of
people are turning towards psychology, digital psychology with AI, which
can be very dangerous because for one reason, humans lie.
(05:21):
If you ever watched The Fantastic Show with Greg Greg
Laurie No Hugh Laurie House, which for those of you
who like weird trivia, is actually a play on Sherlock
Holmes homes House. Sherlock Holmes was a brilliant man who
(05:44):
was plagued by drug use. House is a brilliant doctor
who's plagued by drug use. And so there's a lot
of similarities actually between the two, and it does come
it actually ties back in is based on that, well,
you know, House had this desire to find the cure
(06:08):
to things, even though he was scruffy and rough and
drug addled and all of those things. But anything that
doesn't have a physical anchor can be replicated. I'm sure
there'll be digital talk show hosts that sometimes. But the
there are gray areas that we don't know. There are
(06:33):
areas that we're still looking at to see what is
going to change with AI, what is going to I
use it to process information too. I am curious how
it processes information. I'm curious how it culls the information
that's out there now. But I use it in things
(06:56):
that I am well versed in. When I look into
theological things now, I will look and see what not
If it can pull chapter in verse anything can, But
can it look into very intense philosophical concepts within the
(07:17):
words of scripture? But I know enough to be able
to sort those out and say, no, you cannot. You
cannot get to that conclusion down the path you're going.
It's going down. So there's still going to need to
be someone that watches the machines, programs the machines. And
as it's been said, AI won't replace your job. If
(07:42):
your job is to prompt and to program, to understand
how to get the proper information, how to ask the
proper questions. Now, that's what I enjoy with AI is
how to control it by understanding and word usage into
(08:03):
getting out what you need from it. That's like a
bully in search or any kind of you know, any
type of search where you need to be a part
of it to understand how to get what you want.
As a researcher in radio, I'm constantly having to not
just google something, but to find ways how to precisely
(08:25):
cut through the draws and get to the sweet spot.
And I think anything that revolves around that is going
to be a powerful tool against your job being consumed.
But if you're doing simple tasks that anybody can do,
or anything that's based simply on memorization, robots are going
(08:45):
to take the first physical stuff, as they did on
the lines of carmaking, as they will in fast food
and all of those things that by design have to
be cheap and quick. As labor gets more expensive, and
it's more problematic because nowadays people will not show up
(09:06):
to work and not even call and tell you, or
they'll leave, or they'll put themselves above over their job
and just say, you know today, I'm just not in it.
Whatever it is. A machine's not going to do that.
So robots are going to for the physical parts there,
and then when it comes to things where you just
have to memorize or understand certain things, AI has the
(09:30):
whole world to call through to come up with an answer,
and it's getting better by the day. Its ability to
build graphics photographic realistic design is absolutely insane and not
twice as good as it was this time last year,
(09:53):
but infinitesimally good than it was last this time last year.
All right, let's go back to Kono's alma mater, Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
How long did you work for Starbucks? Ten years? Really? Yeah?
You can do? You make a pretty mean.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Latte mocha all that with a lemon twist.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Caramel machiatto. Whoa yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Vanilla first, and then you put the milk and then
you pour the shots on top.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Spect Yes, I'm very I was very good at it.
Did you get a lot of tips?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I did, and it was a bummer because you share
it with everyone else?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, you don't like sharing? No, not when I pull
in most of the tips. No, Oh, listen, I did. I
was very good. I was so good.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
If you're quiet, you can hear a bunch of people
switching to team Neil right now because your pride.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, there was one yeah, Sanmarndino. It's closed now. But
then I worked in Chino on the Central in Philadelphia,
very busy. Shout out Chino.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Well do you I want to get your take on this.
So Starbucks facing heat. Now, if you remember, there was
a union stuff possible strikes, and then there were strikes
and then the resists that. Well, now you have a lot
of these baristas. And by the way, there is no
male form that is the male form of the word.
(11:20):
There is not baristo or something like that. Barista is
across the board. But they're walking out because they were
forced because of a new you know, dress policy. They
were forced to get a new shirt, new pants, whatever,
and they say they weren't reimbursed. So it rolled out
in May, and now you have people walking out on Wednesday.
(11:43):
This past Wednesdays, Barista's in Illinois. In Colorado filed class
action lawsuits which will bring them nothing, claiming Starbucks violated
state laws and failed to reimburse them for their new
clothes required under the updated dress code. Now, I thought, originally,
(12:05):
I thought, originally that that Starbucks was going to provide
one shirt or one apron or something like that. Did
you have to pay for your own clothes? Correct, except
for the apron? Okay, but did you have a dress
code back then? Absolutely? Yeah, because they did have a
dress code and then they loosened it and then they
brought it back right correct.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
They got a new CEO last year. I want to say.
He was like the you know, the stock is tanking.
Let's go back to our roots type of thing.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So like, were you allowed to wear your man bun
or I've never had one of those, but never had
people could have a man but long hair. You had
to be you know, neat tiny back. You never had
like a top rocking the top.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Now, no, we would have to have like black shirts,
black pants or khaki pants well that was it, or
a white shirt.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And they didn't reimburse you. No. I also said, this
isn't a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Go to Goodwill And I was like, okay, yeah, that's
where I got my clothes.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Sure you never had a bun, Nope, got a rat tail?
When when I worked at Starbucks, you had a rattail?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I did. I was fashion icon.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
You know what icon means, right, But yes, we had
a fascinating We had a dress code and we would
get in trouble if we didn't follow it. I don't
get I got sent home because my shoes weren't all black.
I had like Chuck Taylor's I had like white and
black shoes, and they were like, go home and go
get your all blacks.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
They nailed you for chucks. Did you curse? Did you
walk out for good?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I don't get it. I don't get the whole. You went,
you came back and you did your job. Yeah, I
don't get the whole. Follow the follow our rules.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
We're paying you type of thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know what, Amy and I are going to do
a ceremony for you, and we're gonna knight you an
honorary gen xer.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, thanks, you gotta do it. Bro. No, I like
being a millennial. We're not.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We're not gen z. We're millennials. Millennials strong bruh.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I did not expect to hear bra at seven two
in the am. So the lawsuit is filled in three states.
This is what the new dress code requires. They say
workers in North America stores will be required to fall
follow these stricters, so called instead of looser guidelines. The
new policy requires requires solid black crew neck, collared crew
(14:41):
neck collared shirts or button ups paired with khaki, black
or blue denim bottoms.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
How do you not have that already?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You have to have a collared shirt.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
No, it says a solid black crew neck, collared shirts
or button ups.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's what everybody was wearing a Starbucks where I went yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Get paired with khaki, black or blue denim bottom. That's
the big deal. It's a basically a black shirt and khaki,
black or blue denim bottoms. Jeans, shoes have to be
in the muted tones black, gray, brown, navy, tan, or white.
The company also banned theatrical makeup.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
What is that? What is that? Cono? Did you wear
theatrical makeup?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Did not?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I did not?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Are you sure I would like to see you in
theatrical makeup? Though?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What is that? What is theatrical makeup? I don't know.
Maybe Halloween time.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And nail polish, limited facial piercings to one small stut
or hoop?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
How many?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
How much of your stainless deal sex appeal did you
wear during your stint at Starbucks?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I didn't have any of those things, but my friends
did have, like gages, the ears, yeah, the stretched ears.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And and no, and and you're going on the record,
no top bun, no man bun, no red tail, rat.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Tails was as extreme as I could go. Wow, okay,
it was fierce. Okay, theatrical makeup. I don't know what
that means me and me from Drew Carrey Show.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Maybe yeah, maybe, Like if you can lay face down
in your pillow and when you turn over your face
is in the pillow, that's theatrical makeup.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Maybe yeah. I'll have to ask, uh, I have to
ask Gary Hoffman. I think he might wear. Does he
do like adult theater?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I just thought you meant like every day? Well he may.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Listen, none of us are thrilled about aging. I have
no clue, all right, Like if you can lay face
down in your pillow and when you turn over your
face is in the pillow, that theatrical makeup.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Maybe yeah, I'll have to ask.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I have to ask Gary Hoffman. I think he might
wear does he do like adult theater? Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I just thought you meant like every day? Well he may.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Listen, none of us are thrilled about aging. I have
no clue, all right. What a story man? You got
housing prices going through the roof, literally, it seems, and
so folks are looking around for alternatives. I get that,
But he used to be back in the day when
you thought about an RV, if you were going to
(17:36):
make an RV your house, it was because you wanted
to just go off the grid a little bit, say
I'm just going to travel and pack up my family
and go. Well, more people, just average Jane and Joe
does are ditching traditional homes for RVs. And it's not
(17:58):
what you think. It's not for like what I said,
the whole I don't know road tripping or campfires and
road trips. There are people with kids who just look
at a twenty two foot RV and say that's what
we're doing. They got evicted. This one couple got evicted
(18:21):
from their four bedroom house. And you know they're not
the only ones in that situation. You've got almost half
a million Americans now living full time in RVs. That's
double the number, more than double the number from twenty
twenty one. So these families aren't chasing adventure like what
(18:46):
we'd been told in movies. I remember movies in the
late seventies and eighties that were about that kind of
going on the road. But this is about surviving a
housing market that's out of their reach. The crazy thing
to me is there are places in the United states
(19:07):
that are still reasonable. Now, I don't know. We were
talking about getting an RV. You know, our boys eight,
My wife and I like adventure. The thought of being
able to get up and go, it's just kind of
a really cool thing. So we started looking at it
and looking into it, and some of these beasts, thirty
five foot long RVs are just I mean, they literally
(19:30):
are a house on wheels. But it is different, I
mean way getting showering, going to the bathroom, hooking up,
getting electricity. I mean, unless you're living in a mobile
home park, which is not an RV park. You know,
you go to a so called mobile home park, Now
(19:51):
those are houses. Those are straight up houses. They call
them double wides or whatever. That's a straight up house.
And they're not really mobile. They're they're they're permanent there.
You just don't own the land. But the thought of
taking a twenty two foot RV and just driving around
(20:13):
or hooking it up somewhere, you still got to, you know,
end up finding someplace to bathe and all those things.
But you do have more family time. You're closer to
each other, you're up under each other a little bit.
But any of the challenges that come with living in
an RV pile up fast. R vs apparently depreciate quickly.
(20:38):
Loans can stretch over years and years and years. You
can end up being underwater. I mean that's with anything,
I suppose. But they don't go up in value like
a home does. You can get a used inexpensive one,
but you don't know if you know they have upkeep.
(21:00):
It's a house that you're moving around, You're moving between campsites.
Having a steady job becomes difficult because you've got to
jump around. Finding childcare is tricky, and you've got extreme
weather or floods or issues like that, and it becomes
a problem. There is way, there's something in our mentality though,
(21:27):
that makes us go that is the right option, rather
than moving somewhere and creating stability in a house in
a region an area that you can't afford. I remember
a friend who impresses the hell out of me. He
just like every time he jumps, a rock appears under
his feet. And during a crazy time with buying houses
(21:52):
and stuff like that, after two thousand and eight, when
the bubble, the loan and housing bubble just popped and
a lot of people were out of money, we went
into a recession, they were asking for forty percent. You know,
some of these places we're looking for twenty thirty forty
(22:12):
percent down. And he says, yeah, so I'm looking for
a house I'm like in this market and he goes, well,
I got twenty thirty forty percent of something.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's the truth.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's the right answer. Go somewhere where what you have
is the right amount. I was never handed anything, and
heaven forbid. We go through a situation shoot that could
happen today, be out of a job. Cono has his wish,
but you don't know. And then you figure out and
(22:45):
if we had to move out of California, we would
with suck. We've been here our whole lives. But that's
what you do. You migrate. That's what animals do. You
know what animals don't do. They don't bitch and complain
about how water is drying up at this place where
I've been getting my water from. I'm just gonna sit
here and complain about there's no water. No, they get
(23:06):
up and they go to where water is. I don't
know why we get to this place where we feel
I gotta be able to have this right here. You
can't afford it there An RV where you're bouncing around
is the better option than going and buying a place,
a small place somewhere with low cost. May we never
(23:31):
get to that point.
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You are listening to the Bill Handle Show. Here's Neils
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Good Monday morning to you, Neil Savadra in the morning crew.
Here Amy is back in her share and we have
Matthew in for Sorry, Matthew, I did know who you were.
I was just looking down and reading something. I was multitasking, which,
as you know, men cannot do. Matthew's in four and
(00:48):
today who's out on vacation as well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
AI.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Maybe it strikes excitement in you, maybe like it does
with me, or maybe it's strikes fear in you like
it does with me. I think it depends on where
it lands and who controls it. It's one of those
things that it is. It's done.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's here.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
There's no way of turning it off, and even if
you tried to make some moral argument in doing so,
it's a global phenomenon. So if we turn off ours,
someone just does it. It's like nukes or guns at
that point here in the United States. If you try
(01:33):
and turn it off, if anybody can get them, then
you know, that's going to be bad people getting them,
so good people should have them too, that type of thing. Right,
So AI is in the spotlight because people want to
know as who what jobs.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Are are going to go to AI?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, first clerical jobs, you know, knowledge job, basic knowledge
jobs where it's just the memorization of things and it
has to replicate that those kinds of I've said this before.
Memory is the lowest form of learning. God bless jeopardy.
But just remembering things is not intellect. Intellect is problem solving,
(02:19):
now don't They're not mutually exclusive by any means, but
truly problem solving is the key to intellect. So can
they solve problems?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
AI is great at solving problems? Are people going, yeah,
but it hallucinates and stuff like? Yeah, but think about
how the short span of time that all this is
taking place. And I will tell you as somebody who
has watched it since day one and really run alongside
it out of fascination. And this is somebody I used
(02:49):
to get paid for doing design and art and all
these things. However, times change types were replaced by computers.
Even bake basic layout artists were replaced by cute but
computers A long time ago, photoshop was able to do
(03:09):
things that used to cost a ton of money to
have somebody do. So I started out as my first
job was a designer. I studied offset printing. I studied
commercial dark room for making print plates, you know type
setting with actual type I had to learn. I think
(03:32):
I did the uh what was it the preamble or
something I had to do for my test in actual
lead type, you know old type, where I had to
you have to set it backwards and reverse all this
crazy stuff and a lot of that went away very quickly,
but it gave me understanding when it comes to AI, Yes,
(03:53):
things are going to be replaced. As a matter of fact,
this may or may not surprise you. I think two
collegiate like high end thinking jobs that will be replaced
in some way or fashion will be medical doctors and lawyers.
(04:15):
Both deal heavily on memorization scientifically being able to memorize
past results, and I think a lot of that works
out now. I don't think it will replace them across
the board, because you will still need the heart and soul,
which is important that comes from caring and searching and
(04:37):
wanting to come up with conclusions. Physical things firefighters, police department,
you know, rescue workers, anybody that's doing something physical will
need to be there. Always social services. However, when you
(05:00):
get to these things, humans are anything that's going to
deal with compassion or empathy. You know a lot of
people are turning towards psychology, digital psychology with AI, which
can be very dangerous because for one reason, humans lie.
(05:21):
If you ever watched The Fantastic Show with Greg Greg
Laurie No Hugh Laurie House, which for those of you
who like weird trivia, is actually a play on Sherlock
Holmes homes House. Sherlock Holmes was a brilliant man who
(05:44):
was plagued by drug use. House is a brilliant doctor
who's plagued by drug use. And so there's a lot
of similarities actually between the two, and it does come
it actually ties back in is based on that, well,
you know, House had this desire to find the cure
(06:08):
to things, even though he was scruffy and rough and
drug addled and all of those things. But anything that
doesn't have a physical anchor can be replicated. I'm sure
there'll be digital talk show hosts that sometimes. But the
there are gray areas that we don't know. There are
(06:33):
areas that we're still looking at to see what is
going to change with AI, what is going to I
use it to process information too. I am curious how
it processes information. I'm curious how it culls the information
that's out there now. But I use it in things
(06:56):
that I am well versed in. When I look into
theological things now, I will look and see what not
If it can pull chapter in verse anything can, But
can it look into very intense philosophical concepts within the
(07:17):
words of scripture? But I know enough to be able
to sort those out and say, no, you cannot. You
cannot get to that conclusion down the path you're going.
It's going down. So there's still going to need to
be someone that watches the machines, programs the machines. And
as it's been said, AI won't replace your job. If
(07:42):
your job is to prompt and to program, to understand
how to get the proper information, how to ask the
proper questions. Now, that's what I enjoy with AI is
how to control it by understanding and word usage into
(08:03):
getting out what you need from it. That's like a
bully in search or any kind of you know, any
type of search where you need to be a part
of it to understand how to get what you want.
As a researcher in radio, I'm constantly having to not
just google something, but to find ways how to precisely
(08:25):
cut through the draws and get to the sweet spot.
And I think anything that revolves around that is going
to be a powerful tool against your job being consumed.
But if you're doing simple tasks that anybody can do,
or anything that's based simply on memorization, robots are going
(08:45):
to take the first physical stuff, as they did on
the lines of carmaking, as they will in fast food
and all of those things that by design have to
be cheap and quick. As labor gets more expensive, and
it's more problematic because nowadays people will not show up
(09:06):
to work and not even call and tell you, or
they'll leave, or they'll put themselves above over their job
and just say, you know today, I'm just not in it.
Whatever it is. A machine's not going to do that.
So robots are going to for the physical parts there,
and then when it comes to things where you just
have to memorize or understand certain things, AI has the
(09:30):
whole world to call through to come up with an answer,
and it's getting better by the day. Its ability to
build graphics photographic realistic design is absolutely insane and not
twice as good as it was this time last year,
(09:53):
but infinitesimally good than it was last this time last year.
All right, let's go back to Kono's alma mater, Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
How long did you work for Starbucks? Ten years? Really? Yeah?
You can do? You make a pretty mean.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Latte mocha all that with a lemon twist.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Caramel machiatto. Whoa yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Vanilla first, and then you put the milk and then
you pour the shots on top.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Spect Yes, I'm very I was very good at it.
Did you get a lot of tips?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I did, and it was a bummer because you share
it with everyone else?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, you don't like sharing? No, not when I pull
in most of the tips. No, Oh, listen, I did. I
was very good. I was so good.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
If you're quiet, you can hear a bunch of people
switching to team Neil right now because your pride.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, there was one yeah, Sanmarndino. It's closed now. But
then I worked in Chino on the Central in Philadelphia,
very busy. Shout out Chino.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Well do you I want to get your take on this.
So Starbucks facing heat. Now, if you remember, there was
a union stuff possible strikes, and then there were strikes
and then the resists that. Well, now you have a lot
of these baristas. And by the way, there is no
male form that is the male form of the word.
(11:20):
There is not baristo or something like that. Barista is
across the board. But they're walking out because they were
forced because of a new you know, dress policy. They
were forced to get a new shirt, new pants, whatever,
and they say they weren't reimbursed. So it rolled out
in May, and now you have people walking out on Wednesday.
(11:43):
This past Wednesdays, Barista's in Illinois. In Colorado filed class
action lawsuits which will bring them nothing, claiming Starbucks violated
state laws and failed to reimburse them for their new
clothes required under the updated dress code. Now, I thought, originally,
(12:05):
I thought, originally that that Starbucks was going to provide
one shirt or one apron or something like that. Did
you have to pay for your own clothes? Correct, except
for the apron? Okay, but did you have a dress
code back then? Absolutely? Yeah, because they did have a
dress code and then they loosened it and then they
brought it back right correct.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
They got a new CEO last year. I want to say.
He was like the you know, the stock is tanking.
Let's go back to our roots type of thing.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So like, were you allowed to wear your man bun
or I've never had one of those, but never had
people could have a man but long hair. You had
to be you know, neat tiny back. You never had
like a top rocking the top.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Now, no, we would have to have like black shirts,
black pants or khaki pants well that was it, or
a white shirt.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And they didn't reimburse you. No. I also said, this
isn't a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Go to Goodwill And I was like, okay, yeah, that's
where I got my clothes.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Sure you never had a bun, Nope, got a rat tail?
When when I worked at Starbucks, you had a rattail?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I did. I was fashion icon.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
You know what icon means, right, But yes, we had
a fascinating We had a dress code and we would
get in trouble if we didn't follow it. I don't
get I got sent home because my shoes weren't all black.
I had like Chuck Taylor's I had like white and
black shoes, and they were like, go home and go
get your all blacks.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
They nailed you for chucks. Did you curse? Did you
walk out for good?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I don't get it. I don't get the whole. You went,
you came back and you did your job. Yeah, I
don't get the whole. Follow the follow our rules.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
We're paying you type of thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know what, Amy and I are going to do
a ceremony for you, and we're gonna knight you an
honorary gen xer.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, thanks, you gotta do it. Bro. No, I like
being a millennial. We're not.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We're not gen z. We're millennials. Millennials strong bruh.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I did not expect to hear bra at seven two
in the am. So the lawsuit is filled in three states.
This is what the new dress code requires. They say
workers in North America stores will be required to fall
follow these stricters, so called instead of looser guidelines. The
new policy requires requires solid black crew neck, collared crew
(14:41):
neck collared shirts or button ups paired with khaki, black
or blue denim bottoms.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
How do you not have that already?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You have to have a collared shirt.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
No, it says a solid black crew neck, collared shirts
or button ups.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's what everybody was wearing a Starbucks where I went yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Get paired with khaki, black or blue denim bottom. That's
the big deal. It's a basically a black shirt and khaki,
black or blue denim bottoms. Jeans, shoes have to be
in the muted tones black, gray, brown, navy, tan, or white.
The company also banned theatrical makeup.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
What is that? What is that? Cono? Did you wear
theatrical makeup?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Did not?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I did not?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Are you sure I would like to see you in
theatrical makeup? Though?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What is that? What is theatrical makeup? I don't know.
Maybe Halloween time.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And nail polish, limited facial piercings to one small stut
or hoop?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
How many?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
How much of your stainless deal sex appeal did you
wear during your stint at Starbucks?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I didn't have any of those things, but my friends
did have, like gages, the ears, yeah, the stretched ears.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And and no, and and you're going on the record,
no top bun, no man bun, no red tail, rat.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Tails was as extreme as I could go. Wow, okay,
it was fierce. Okay, theatrical makeup. I don't know what
that means me and me from Drew Carrey Show.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Maybe yeah, maybe, Like if you can lay face down
in your pillow and when you turn over your face
is in the pillow, that's theatrical makeup.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Maybe yeah. I'll have to ask, uh, I have to
ask Gary Hoffman. I think he might wear. Does he
do like adult theater?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I just thought you meant like every day? Well he may.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Listen, none of us are thrilled about aging. I have
no clue, all right, Like if you can lay face
down in your pillow and when you turn over your
face is in the pillow, that theatrical makeup.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Maybe yeah, I'll have to ask.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I have to ask Gary Hoffman. I think he might
wear does he do like adult theater? Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I just thought you meant like every day? Well he may.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Listen, none of us are thrilled about aging. I have
no clue, all right. What a story man? You got
housing prices going through the roof, literally, it seems, and
so folks are looking around for alternatives. I get that,
But he used to be back in the day when
you thought about an RV, if you were going to
(17:36):
make an RV your house, it was because you wanted
to just go off the grid a little bit, say
I'm just going to travel and pack up my family
and go. Well, more people, just average Jane and Joe
does are ditching traditional homes for RVs. And it's not
(17:58):
what you think. It's not for like what I said,
the whole I don't know road tripping or campfires and
road trips. There are people with kids who just look
at a twenty two foot RV and say that's what
we're doing. They got evicted. This one couple got evicted
(18:21):
from their four bedroom house. And you know they're not
the only ones in that situation. You've got almost half
a million Americans now living full time in RVs. That's
double the number, more than double the number from twenty
twenty one. So these families aren't chasing adventure like what
(18:46):
we'd been told in movies. I remember movies in the
late seventies and eighties that were about that kind of
going on the road. But this is about surviving a
housing market that's out of their reach. The crazy thing
to me is there are places in the United states
(19:07):
that are still reasonable. Now, I don't know. We were
talking about getting an RV. You know, our boys eight,
My wife and I like adventure. The thought of being
able to get up and go, it's just kind of
a really cool thing. So we started looking at it
and looking into it, and some of these beasts, thirty
five foot long RVs are just I mean, they literally
(19:30):
are a house on wheels. But it is different, I
mean way getting showering, going to the bathroom, hooking up,
getting electricity. I mean, unless you're living in a mobile
home park, which is not an RV park. You know,
you go to a so called mobile home park, Now
(19:51):
those are houses. Those are straight up houses. They call
them double wides or whatever. That's a straight up house.
And they're not really mobile. They're they're they're permanent there.
You just don't own the land. But the thought of
taking a twenty two foot RV and just driving around
(20:13):
or hooking it up somewhere, you still got to, you know,
end up finding someplace to bathe and all those things.
But you do have more family time. You're closer to
each other, you're up under each other a little bit.
But any of the challenges that come with living in
an RV pile up fast. R vs apparently depreciate quickly.
(20:38):
Loans can stretch over years and years and years. You
can end up being underwater. I mean that's with anything,
I suppose. But they don't go up in value like
a home does. You can get a used inexpensive one,
but you don't know if you know they have upkeep.
(21:00):
It's a house that you're moving around, You're moving between campsites.
Having a steady job becomes difficult because you've got to
jump around. Finding childcare is tricky, and you've got extreme
weather or floods or issues like that, and it becomes
a problem. There is way, there's something in our mentality though,
(21:27):
that makes us go that is the right option, rather
than moving somewhere and creating stability in a house in
a region an area that you can't afford. I remember
a friend who impresses the hell out of me. He
just like every time he jumps, a rock appears under
his feet. And during a crazy time with buying houses
(21:52):
and stuff like that, after two thousand and eight, when
the bubble, the loan and housing bubble just popped and
a lot of people were out of money, we went
into a recession, they were asking for forty percent. You know,
some of these places we're looking for twenty thirty forty
(22:12):
percent down. And he says, yeah, so I'm looking for
a house I'm like in this market and he goes, well,
I got twenty thirty forty percent of something.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's the truth.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's the right answer. Go somewhere where what you have
is the right amount. I was never handed anything, and
heaven forbid. We go through a situation shoot that could
happen today, be out of a job. Cono has his wish,
but you don't know. And then you figure out and
(22:45):
if we had to move out of California, we would
with suck. We've been here our whole lives. But that's
what you do. You migrate. That's what animals do. You
know what animals don't do. They don't bitch and complain
about how water is drying up at this place where
I've been getting my water from. I'm just gonna sit
here and complain about there's no water. No, they get
(23:06):
up and they go to where water is. I don't
know why we get to this place where we feel
I gotta be able to have this right here. You
can't afford it there An RV where you're bouncing around
is the better option than going and buying a place,
a small place somewhere with low cost. May we never
(23:31):
get to that point.
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