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October 7, 2025 25 mins
(October 07,2025)
KTLA & KFI tech reporter Rich DeMuro joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Rich covers ChatGPT now has apps built in, Amazon Prime Big Deal Days, California’s new streaming ad law, Waze’s conversational reporting, Ring’s “Search Party.” How many relationships can your brain handle? Scientists have the answer. Wild horses are trampling Mono Lake. The feds want to round them up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Bill Handle here on a Taco Tuesday, October seventh. Some
of the stories we are looking at and there's a
lot going on. Government shutdowns still happening, and we don't
know when it's going to end. Both sides are intransigent
about it. And it's been two years since the war
in Gaza has started, and the talks are actually at

(00:28):
the closest point, and you've got Hamas and the US
and Israel in Cairo negotiating at least the release of
the hostages. It is time for Rich to morrow and
our tech segment Tech Tuesday. Rich is here every Saturday
from eleven am to two pm. He's on KTLA every
day and you can follow on Instagram at Rich on

(00:50):
Tech and his website is rich on Tech dot TV.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
And good morning Rich, Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Okay, we are.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
In the middle of pro days at on the website.
And I took advantage yesterday already, yep, yep, I took
advantage yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
This is true. By the way, I'm not this is
not a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I bought a bagel cutter, bagel slicer for sixteen dollars
normally sixteen dollars and seventy four cents.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh wow, yeah, no, we're impressive. And now I used
it this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And here's something about the bagel cutters, not that you know,
but I'm going to give everybody an inside scoop here,
and that is, you can't have real soft bagels because
you have soft bagels, they sort of crunch. You need
a little bit hard bagels when using a bagel cutter.
But that's neither here nor there. Let's talk about the
big deal days. What are we looking at deal wise?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, so I've been scouring Amazon all morning and the
deals are there. So everyone says, hey, you know, rich,
what should I buy? How should I buy it? My
advice is this, if you need a bagel slicer for it.
If you do, don't be searching Amazon all day just
aimlessly for stuff to spend your money on, because it's
just not going to work out for you. So again,

(02:09):
if you followed my advice before, I always say, put
the stuff you need in your cart. So I had
all my stuff in my cart this morning, and I
looked at it. A lot of the prices dropped, and
so I purchased a bunch of stuff that I was
going to get anyway, and it was on my list.
But it's just stuff that I was watching. So that's
my number one advice. Look for the things that you
need around the house, the stuff you reorder, even if
it's lame, just you know today it's probably on sale,

(02:32):
so go ahead and get it. With that said, I
have been compiling a list of stuff that I would
buy on Prime Day. I put out my website rich
on tech dot TV, and you know, I'm looking at
the electronics. So most of the products that I'm posting
on there, actually all of them are at their lowest
prices ever. Now when I say that, that doesn't mean

(02:53):
they've never been that price before. But Amazon, if you
look at the price history on these products, which every
single one of them, I go through and make sure
I look at the price history, it typically has gone
on sale to the lowest price just one time before,
and that is in July during their previous Prime Day.
So the prices are really good today. Air Pods ninety bucks,

(03:14):
iPad two hundred and eighty dollars, tiny bluetooth speaker from
JBL that I like twenty five dollars, Apple Watch two
hundred and seventy nine dollars, air Tag some of the
lowest prices ever. Right now, let's see what else do
I have here. Belkan's portable charger, lowest price ever, twenty
seven bucks. You gotta have one of those in your
bag so that you can charge your phone on the go.

(03:36):
I've got another. Let's see beach USBC cables. They just
came out with these. They come in great colors. They're
usually nineteen bucks, rare sale on a beach product twelve dollars.
My favorite earbuds under fifty dollars. They usually sell for
seventy three, So forty seven bucks for cheap earbuds is
a great deal. I've got some laptops. People are asking

(03:56):
about laptops. Those are a fantastic deal. We're talking in
a Lenovo for five hundred bucks and HP for five
point fifty. So again, it really comes down to do
you need these things? But if you do, they are
at some of their lowest prices of the season, and
that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
All right. So two questions.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Question number one, I look at TVs. The price of
TVs is sort of the bell Weather of prices. In general,
and of course the price of TVs. I mean, you
can get a what eighty five inch TV today for
six hundred bucks? Has the price of the Imax TV
gone down to under fifty dollars?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yet TVs keep getting cheaper. But here's the thing. These
manufacturers are smart because what they do is they keep
adding new display technologies. So although you can get a
TV for very cheap, you can go to your best
buy and it's super duper cheap. They are usually using
the older display technologies on those screens. What does that mean?

(04:58):
That screen's not going to be as bright, the colors
are not going to pop as much, You're not going
to have as many viewing angles from the sides. All
that really doesn't matter because a lot of people are
upgrading from an older TV anyway, so everything is going
to look better. But if if you're looking at the
high end TVs, those are going to have the best displays.
And right now, the name of the game is that
each individual pixel is lit by itself, which means colors

(05:23):
just look way better. They can control the brightness and
the contrast and all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, when you bring up you know, you bring a
TV home you're not comparing it to other TVs. I mean,
you know, I don't buy expensive TVs. I sort of
buy middle of the road TVs. I'm not going to
spend two thousand dollars for sixty five inch TV, and
I'm not going to spend two hundred.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Dollars for it.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
But in reality, you go home and you sort of
that's your TV. I mean, you're you're not comparing TV
to TV. So that's that's one. The other thing is,
as I'm joking about the Imax TVs, have those big,
big TVs, are they dropping in price and how big
are they getting?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
They are dropping in price. I mean I'm seeing over
one hundred inch TVs at the shows that I've been
to lately, so those are still very expensive. But considering
I mean, you can get one hundred inch the TV.
I have the U eight from High Sense, which is
a fantastic value. You can get a one hundred inch
TV deliver it's your home for thirty five hundred dollars.

(06:28):
That is unheard of. You know, a couple of years ago,
you can get a much more reasonable sixty five inch
for under one thousand. So I think TVs when it
comes to pursing those They are definitely a better price
during Black Friday and when's it a super Bowl? So
if you're on the fence about a TV, probably wait
just a little bit till Black Friday for better deals.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
All right, Rich, some news on chat GPT you want
to share.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, this is actually really cool. I know that all
this AI stuff is a lot. We've been hearing so
much about it and it just continues to change on
a daily basis, But this is actually really neat. So
chat ebt is now interacting with various apps that we
know and love. So we're talking Booking dot Com, Canva, Coursera, Expedia, Zillow.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And what does that mean.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
It means that think about chat GBT as now a
front end way to ask questions of these other apps. So,
for instance, Zillo, what would you do. You'd go to
Zilo dot com, You'd select the sliders. You'd say, I
want a house for under this price with this many
bedrooms in this neighborhood, and then you look at the schools,
and then you further you know, refine your filtering and

(07:43):
look at the houses. With this, you can now just
stay inside the chat GBT chat box and just say Hey,
go search Zilo for homes under this price walkable to
restaurants five you know, four bedrooms, two bathrooms, and I
want it in a place that as a ten out
of ten school. WHOA wait, what all that? And yes,

(08:04):
chat gbt will return you the answers because it's doing
the search on your behalf. So why I think this
is so amazing is because it is getting to the
future that we were promised, which is talking to computers
in natural language and having them tell us the right
answer back. We've already seen that with chat GYBT and information.
Now we're getting even further into that.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
We've already seen that in two thousand and one in
Space Odyssey, and it's pretty scary stuff. So do you
have to have the chat GPT app? You download that,
then what do you do is go to the app
and ask the question.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, so you can have the app, I don't. Yeah,
it's working on the app on my phone, it's working
on the desktop chat gbt dot com. But you can
also Basically, if you want to start this, you have
to say one of the names of the app, So
just say something like, hey, check Zillow four or make
me an Instagram post in Canva that does this, or

(09:04):
Hey find me hotels in Montreal that fit these criteria.
So and then it basically will ask you that first
time you mentioned that that term by name, it will say, okay,
do you want us to connect to your Canva account
or your Expedia account or your Zilo account. And they're
also adding other properties as well, so we're talking Uber,

(09:25):
we're talking Target DoorDash, so you're gonna be able to
order you know, different items just by asking chatgybt. I mean,
this is really transformational when it comes to not just
the average person like me and you that think it's interesting,
but I think for accessibility reasons, this is going to
be huge that people that may not be able to
type as easily or may not be able to speak

(09:47):
easily can now actually go into chatchybt and make these
commands in the natural language and get a response, and
not just a response, but also get action.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
So at this point, for example, when I want information,
it's a Hey, Siri a question and then I asked
the question whatever it is, So this would just be
just hay chat GPT or I just go on the
app and just ask the question.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Curious as to how it works.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, so I mean Siri is it's similar, but Siri
is very basic. If you said, hey, Siri, go out
and find me homes in Michigan with five stars school
and uh, you know, a Michelin star restaurant within walking
distance of my front yard, Siri is gonna just your
phone's just going to blow up in your hands, you know,
like nothing's going to happen. Now, you do that same

(10:38):
query on chat GBT with you know, the addition of
Zillo now and all these things that they've got built in,
and it's actually getting it's taking all that rich information
that Zillo has in its database and it's now tapping
into that and not just tapping into it, but it's
slicing and dicing and understanding it in a way that's
much smarter than just responding with thirty five times seven

(11:01):
is whatever the answer is. So it's just a it's
kind of a fundamental shift in the way we think
about computing, and it's a it's a future that many
people have always wanted where we just ask these machines
to do stuff and they do it. We don't have
to think about when we first got smart homes, it
would be like Alexa, please turn on the lights in

(11:23):
you know, bedroom two, right, you had to do it
in a very standard, strict syntax that the whatever way
you programmed it. Now it's just like, hey, turn on
the lights in the bedroom and turn them off at
nine pm if you can, you know, like that kind
of thing. So it's much more natural conversation. I can't
wait to see where this goes.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, Ways, and it's it's conversational reporting.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Now. I'm a big fan of Ways, and I love
the fact that I can select which language or which
accent is coming off it. My favorite is Scooby Doo.
It's true. I mean they have a Scooby do directional
you know, voice instruction. Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
No, no of me. I mean, I think Amy King,
I think also does one of the voices on there.
I mean it's you can choose a bunch of Yeah,
it's a bunch of fun voices. They have, Santa, They've
got you know, they've done a bunch over the years.
But in Ways is great because what is It's community oriented,
So when you report something, it helps other drivers behind you.
And one of those things is accidents and road hazards.

(12:26):
And this is a demo I saw last year at
Google in New York City. It's finally coming out. But
now when you go to report something, so you still
have to tap the screen, but when you go to
tap the screen, now you can just say something naturally
like hey, there's a mattress in the road, or there's
a speed trap, or there's construction on the road, or
there's traffic right now, and AI will interpret what you're

(12:47):
saying and now feed that into the app and alert
the other drivers behind you. So I think it's a
win win for safety and it just makes life a
whole lot easier. You have to sit there and look
at the screen thinking what am I trying to report here?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Just say it?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah. But my question is with ways, because it'll report
police car ahead, or traffic signal or.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
A car on the road. Is it still there? Is
it not there?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I ignore that because I'm past that and I don't
care about anybody else driving. But it goes beyond that,
right do you simply see My kids?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, my kids love doing the reports when we're driving.
They're like Dad, Dad, Okay, let's see in three hundred
feet two hundred feet, pet fifty is it there? No,
it's not there, press the button. So there are a
lot of people that like this. And by the way,
Ways started out as a gamified system, so it used
to be when you drove streets, you earned like coins,
like virtual coins. But the whole thing about Ways is

(13:43):
that this was built from the ground up. They had
none of their own maps, so they would literally enlist
people to drive neighborhoods, and by you driving that neighborhood
and collecting those little coins, you are helping them build
their mapping system. And of course then Google bought them
for billions of dollars and the rest is history. But
it's just it's a very community based driving app, and

(14:04):
I think that's what people still like about it.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, a couple of crazy as Raelies conceived of it,
and now there are a couple of very wealthy, crazy
Israelis say the least.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
All right, I love that you have the knowledge, Bill.
You have the knowledge, Bill, which I love, but you
also present it in a very different.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Manner than I would like.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yes, Like, I know the Israelis came up with it,
but I probably would not have said to put you said, all.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Right, Saturday morning, eleven to two pm, Rich is live
here on KFI on KTLA every single day, Instagram at
rich on Tech website, rich on Tech dot TV, catch
over the weekend, rich.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Take care, Thanks, Bill, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, now I want to talk about your human your
human brain, assuming that it's human, and there's an old
a there's an old adage, and that is human beings
they walk with their feet, they stoop with their face. No, no,
that's not right.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, it was right. No, no, it's it's not right.
I don't remember. I don't remember it correctly.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
In any case, there are some studies that have been
done on brains. What a shocker that one is. And
we start with let's talk about the brain itself. Pound
for pound, the brain consumes twenty percent of all of
our energy. That is a small amount of matter using

(15:28):
a whole lot of our energy. The amount of for example,
the amount of blood that goes to your brain is
enormous relative the rest of your body, which is why
head wounds heals so quickly, because the blood just flows
through like crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
And the reason all this is, this is a study
that was.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Done our neural network and this, according to one hypothesis
done based on studies evolved. So we could juggle social
network works. They've connected the two social networks. Brain size.
Bottom line, humans are built to schmooze. That's what the

(16:11):
studies show. We're just built that way. So three pounds
the brain makes up twenty two percent of our body weight,
and three quarters of this three pounds is the neocortex.
Cognitive functions, memory, language, problem solving, self awareness, and these

(16:32):
abilities enable people to navigate the relationships of families and
friend groups and sports teams and workplaces, and it goes
on and on. So there is a professor of psychology
and neuroscience at Brigham young woman by the name of
Julianne Holt Lundstad, who has done a lot of studies
in this, and she says when people are more socially connected,

(16:55):
they have increased survival rates. There's a redisc reduced risks
for cardiovascular disease and stroke and type two diabetes and
depression and dementia. Which is why I'm probably gonna die
next week and not even know that I'm going to
die because I don't have much of a social network.

(17:16):
But here is the premise, and it is really interesting.
The high cognitive demands of maintaining these social bonds places
a limit on the number of relationships stable relationships, which
makes sense that we can maintain. And this is according
to another psychologist, Robin Dunbar, who's also done studies on this.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
And so here's what he did.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Dunbar to understand the limitations of social networking because there's
only so many social groups you can deal with that
our brain actually is built to deal with. He examined
monkeys and lemurs and apes and found a connection between
the size of the neocortics that part of the brain,

(18:05):
and the size of the social groups. Now that hasn't
been studied before. The size of the brain, that area
that with the memory, et cetera. It is directly, it
directly correlates to the size of your social of your
social group.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
So he came he took a look into primate brains.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
He looked at neuroimaging and reviewing studies that documented the
grooming practices, for example, that enable primates to cultivate relationships.
You can see it by the grooming which they do.
They pick at little knits like I do from my
hair where I used to do it from my hair,
and these bonds that are created. What they do is

(18:48):
create security. They facilitate social hierarchies. They forge alliances, which
is then connected.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
To higher survival rates.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
The bigger the brain means that the bigger the social
networking platforms you.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Have, the longer you live, and the.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Healthier you are. That is the connection. So how big
are these social groups? I'll tell you when we come back,
because that's kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Wow, yeah, suit yeah, will how big?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And we're gonna get and we're giving away new Mercedes
Benz to the fifth color when we come back.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
How's that for, Ryan Seacrest? Well done?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
All right, Back we go to the study of brains,
and I love these, uh, these studies because first of all,
their real studies and the stuff that comes out of
them are absolutely fascinating. And so, uh, there are several
studies that I'm referring to, and it has to do
with the size of your brain, that is, human beings
brains and the neo coortix, which is three quarters of

(20:02):
the brain, cognitive functions, memory, language, problem solving, etc. And
here is what the science says that there is a
direct correalition correlation between brain size, social networking, and how
big your social network is. What are the numbers? Okay,

(20:25):
one of the science looked at chimps because they're the
closest to us. The average social group size of chimps
was around fifty fifty eight chimps around them.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
That was their.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Social their platform, and the number of chimps they hung
around all right. So based on that and based on
how close the genetic connection is one of these sciences,
Dunbar extrapolated and he talked about the likely size of

(21:01):
human social groups and he came up with one hundred
and fifty chimps are fifty one hundred and fifty for
humans and beyond that that has held steady since the
advent of human beings, unchanged in the digital age, unchanged
through history. And he tested his theory, went to historic texts,

(21:22):
archaeological data, church congregation, and he found one fifty was
the magic number, including hunter gatherer kinship networks back in
the Caveman days, Bronze Age communities, Anglo Saxon villages, and
medieval Europe, Mormon wagon trains in the nineteenth century, German

(21:46):
trailer parks that exist today. So how does this boil down?
The innermost circle is just five people. Friends are family members,
you feel emotionally connected to the closest to these are
people you talk to or connect at least once a week.
Then comes the layer with ten additional good friends you
see at least once a month. So add ten to that,

(22:09):
and about sixty percent of your social attention goes to
these fifteen people, the five plus ten. Farther out there
is your weekend backyard barbecue party group. That's about fifty people,
including the fifteen you already see. Finally, there's an outer
ring about one point fifty, and that includes one hundred

(22:32):
people that, for example, you would invite to your once
in lifetime big events like a wedding or a funeral.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
You wouldn't feel embarrassed about going.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Up to them in the lounge of an airport and
smashing them on the back and going hey. And if
contact becomes less frequent, as you would imagine, down, they
slide through the layers and after a few years they're
out of your solar system and simply become acquaintances.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Then he goes on, you have about three hundred and
fifty acquaintances on top of your one hundred and fifty
person network, and he says, beyond that, most of us
can recognize an additional one thousand people.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Now it seems like a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
But for example, he uses President Trump, you would instantly
recognize President Trump, and you would recognize about a thousand
other people. And some researchers looking at this say the
number is even bigger. There's a group of Swedish researchers.
They published a paper saying one hundred and fifty is
way underpredictable or way underpredicted, and there's no upper.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Limit can be calculated at all.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
So it's the same evolutionary pressures for primates for all
of us.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
That's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
So if you look at we'll think about this and
you look at the numbers, who are the closest people
to you? Then who is the next leg? Then who's
a layer after that? I only have one layer, thank you.
So it's easy for me. I'm at the I'm at
the far farther edge of the solar system.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Are we done?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Tiny brain, no big brain, just no neuro connection to
my cortex, my neuro cortex or my nuko neko.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It sounds like a huge brain from here.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's a neo cortex, it's an almost cortex. It's a
newer cortex. And we're done. Cortex and all Gary and
Shannon up next tomorrow the Ignoble prizes. You will die
after seven o'clock. It is just hilarious and it's real
sort of science. And then coming up tomorrow it starts

(24:51):
all over again. It's Amy and Cono and I think
Mike Morris is still there, and then of course and
Neil and I jump aboard Cono and Ann all over
the place. Gee, do we really do this again? My
neo cortex says, yes. This is KFI AM six forty.

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