October 28, 2025 • 23 mins
(October 28,2025)
KTLA & KFI tech reporter Rich DeMuro joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Rich covers fake AI recreipts, anti-recognition glasses, Elon's Grokipedia, and GM's eyes-off driving. Political peril spurs Trump to act on beef prices. Singles are paying $200 to hold each other in dark rooms. Can ‘the feels’ fix dating?
KTLA & KFI tech reporter Rich DeMuro joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Rich covers fake AI recreipts, anti-recognition glasses, Elon's Grokipedia, and GM's eyes-off driving. Political peril spurs Trump to act on beef prices. Singles are paying $200 to hold each other in dark rooms. Can ‘the feels’ fix dating?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
KFI AM six forty Bill Handle here on a Tuesday morning,
October twenty eighth. Some of the stories we're looking at. Unfortunately,
Hurricane Melissa has hit them. Jamaica with a vengeance. One
hundred and seventy five mile an hour wins Category five,
devastating Jamaica. But that was assumed it was going to happen.
(00:28):
Here's the fun when Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is
suing the makers of tilot All, saying that tail and
All failed to warn consumers about the risks of taking
the drug while pregnant.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
What risks really? I think that since.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You have x percentage of women who were pregnant who
in fact unfortunately delivered kids who were were autistic, and
most of them at some point in their pregnancy eight pizza,
I believe that Ken Paxson must sue all the local
pizza makers in the area of which women had autism,
(01:11):
because pizza is equivalent to autism. Thailand all equivalent to autism.
Texas is nuts. I mean, it doesn't stop. None of
this does all, right, tell you what does stop, unfortunately
is tech Tuesday with rich Dmurrow.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Wish we could do that forever because I have so
many questions. Good morning, rich Oh thanks Phil.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I thought you said it's going to stop.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I was like, oh, wow, no, no, yeah, Well unfortunately
it's going to stop because we are limited. When we
talk about these lawsuits for crazy those are not limited.
The amount of time we have together is limited. That's
where I was going. You know that anyone can sue
for anything. I mean, when it's that kind of high
level thing, that's a whole nother world. Yeah, this is
(01:58):
the Texas Attorney General doing it. It's not just some
crazy ass guy out there. But anyway, let's get into
our stuff because I think this actually is more fun.
So let's talk about fake AI receipts. Now, what is
that about?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, and this is something that's been kind of.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Going on for a bit.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And now there's a report from the Financial Times that
businesses are getting tricked by these AI generator receipts. And
we know that if you do expense reports. Number one,
they're annoying. Number two, they require a lot number three,
A lot of it's automated because these companies have seated
control to these giant concurs of the world and things
(02:42):
like that. And employees are now apparently submitting ultra realistic
fake expense receipts thanks to AI. And so one of
these software companies ramps As they flagged over a million
dollars in fake receipts in just ninety days. And they
look really real, So the AI can even make them
(03:03):
look like they're wrinkled paper, They can put signatures on them,
and people, you know these AI companies, they put like
a water mark in them so that you can't really
submit them because the software will figure that out. So
what do the employees do. They just screenshot it or
take a picture of it with their phone and they
get around that. So this is a huge issue I
(03:23):
think for companies, and it's something that I if you're
an employee and you're doing this, I don't know why
you would do this, because you don't want to get
caught doing this.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Would Yeah, But I have a question, why can't anybody
use existing technology and just put in a fake expense
report or are you talking about providers that putting that
in there and getting money sent to them for products
they didn't send into the company, didn't sell the company.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't know who is doing this.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well, I think it's the employees that are going on
company travel and so they are they're padding. It's it's
kind of a new way of what's been going on forever,
which is patting the expense report right, except this time
it's ultra realistic. And because I think the idea here
is because AI is fact checking the expense reports before
they go for payment. Majority of the time, you know,
(04:17):
I think the AI just looks at the receipt says, oh,
that looks good, and it passes it through. So but
even SAP concur which you know, they scan a lot
of these receipts, one of their executives said, you can't
even trust your eyes anymore because these receipts look so good.
And so my question is, if you're an employee doing this,
(04:37):
you're gonna get fired. So probably not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, I mean, it's just another way of stealing money.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm assuming, right, you pitch in a fake report, which
people do all day long and until they don't. I
what you're saying is AI just makes it easier for
an employee to rip off the employer bottom line.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It makes this It makes it very easy. And I
remember seeing a story about this a couple of months
ago where this was just starting to happen, and this
was before the AI image generators have gotten so good now,
and I remember trying to generate one of these receipts
and I could not believe my eyes. I mean, it
was so good that it's like, oh my gosh. So
I think for maybe here's what I think happens. Maybe
(05:20):
employees tiptoe into this by saying, oh shoot, I forgot
to get that receipt or I need that receipt, and
so maybe they recreate it, and then all of a sudden,
you know, some other people just realize that you can
just make this very simple.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, Rich anti recognition glasses. I don't even know what
that means other than I don't recognize you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So imagine you put these glasses on and you try
to use face ID on your phone and it does
not work. That's what we're talking about here. So this
is a company called Zenny Optical. They've come out with
over the years a bunch of glasses for like blocking
blue light and things like that. But now they've got
this new technology called zeny id Guard, and it blocks
(06:08):
infrared facial recognition systems from tracking you.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So I thought this was.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Kind of cool, kind of interesting, kind of a sign
of our times. So the coding on these glasses, which
is a subtle pink so that you know, you kind
of signal to other people that hey, I'm blocking this stuff,
reflects up to eighty percent of near infrared light, which
is what a lot of cameras and biometric systems use
to identify faces. And you can test this out very
simply by trying face idea on your phone or something
(06:37):
like Windows Hello on a Windows PC, and they will
not work. So the idea here is that you wear
these glasses, you can walk around town and facial recognition
cameras that are trying to capture your biometrics are just
not going to work. So you can. I don't know
if you're completely anonymous when you wear these, but it's
just one step in kind of protecting your identity.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, there's entire industries that are anti where technology comes
up with something and then instantly there are now is
a group, a small group or a company to say,
oh no, no, we're going to fight that h and
it's it seems like it's one industry following another industry.
So if you don't want your face right, if you
(07:22):
don't want facial recognition, you walk around all day with
if you don't need glasses, with these playing lenses with
no prescription, and then you're theoretically fine, Do I have
that right?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yes? Huh? Isn't it easier just to wear like ninja
ninja masks and you know those costs six those costs
six bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's simpler than the ninja mask because this still lets
you people see your eyes. But it's just you know, look,
I think when it comes to what you said to
your point of any industry that pops up, there's always
going to be a reactionary industry. And I think that
you know, is this a bit of a ploy to
get people to spend money on these glasses they may
or may not need. Is this really protecting your you know,
(08:04):
your facial identification?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Like who knows?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But the reality is that we see this stuff happen
all the time, and you know, it's one way that
people can feel more secure if they feel like they're
getting id'd in too many places. And I think it
is interesting. We've heard over and over bill that they
use this facial recognition in places like concerts. If you
look and this is you know, because I love technology,
(08:27):
so anywhere I go, if you look at like small
print on signs at places you go, a majority of
them are now mentioning that they are using some sort
of automated facial recognition or facial tracking at grocery stores
and different retailers that you go to. So when you
walk in there, yeah, they're they're figuring out like, oh, okay,
(08:47):
this person comes in. They may not have a name
to you just yet, but they know who you are
based on the fact that you come in there three
times a week. And eventually they could layer that with
some sort of third party database and figure out, hey,
this is Rich he's in here every Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Hey, are we reaching the point where you know, For example,
China uses face recognition basically for every single citizen.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
They know what every single one of.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Their people looks like with technology, which I don't understand
because they look all the same to me. But you've
got an entire country doing this. Are we heading in
that direction? You think where we're all going to be
somehow surveilled.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think it's already happening. I think that it's already happening.
And I mean, look, when I travel, I go from
my car to the airport, to the security to the
next country without speaking to a human being, or in
most cases, without even showing any ID. I mean, when
(09:48):
you go to LAX and you park on the parking,
you know structures there, it reads your license plate. If
you've already prepaid, it opens the gate. You go into
the LAX, you've got facial recognition. You walk up to
a camera, it snaps a picture of you. It says, okay,
you're rich Demiro. The gate opens up, you go in.
When you enter the other country, you scan your passport
(10:11):
or your face and it just says, hey, okay, come
on in. So we're already living in a society where
the government already knows who you are. They've got your biometrics,
they've got your face, and you know, we've all sort
of agreed to this. And it's I think the private
companies that are catching up to this, they probably have
more information in the government because we've handed it to them.
(10:34):
So I think, you know, we're going to see a
renaissance of people saying I want to reclaim some of
my privacy. I'm not sure that's going to be possible
in the future.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Now, I mean, how do you do that without legislation,
without laws that tell these companies and these organizations you
cannot do that anymore short of that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And you're right. It just occurred to me.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I just came back from Europe a few weeks ago,
and as I was getting off the airplane and there's
a line for American citizens and people who have a
foreign passports, and literally, I have my passport in my pocket,
and as I'm taking my passport out, uh, the TSA
person or in this case, the customs and the customers
(11:15):
people say no, no, just walk through here, just look
at the camera. And I was kind of floored. And
there's my picture ugly. I mean, there's is there such
thing as a good looking picture on driver's licenses or
any of this, any of these programs.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, I don't mind mine, but they don't let
you take another one. I mean, I you can't in.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yours, because yeah you can for your driver's license. You
can say, well, you take another one. I'll let you
look at it, just in case will because they wouldn't
let me look.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
They just said that's okay, you're good no.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, you ask hey, can I take a look? Do
you mind if I take a look, Because it's a
digital camerady, you're going to you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Come up the system.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
They got to get people, yeah, I know, but then
they have to they take the picture because what if
someone blinks, what if someone has their eyes closed?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, they look for that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
They they all they're looking for is just to make
sure that the measurements for biometrics are fine. They're not.
They don't care if you have you know, if you
look good.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
No, no, I'm talking about No, no, I'm talking about I'm talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I think we're on different pages here.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'm talking about the driver's licenses photos.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's where I was going. Okay, okay, we're going. I'm
glad we missed each other. And two ships passing in
the night.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Rich, we'll catch you at this Saturday, eleven am to
two pm right here on KFI. You have a good win,
A right, thank you, you got it. A Trump story
I want to share with you. When the president ran
for president, he said he was going to bring down prices.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That was part of his campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Inflation was too high, prices are way too high, and
he said I'm going to cut food prices in half
by the first year. Now, that is I don't believe that.
Of course, that can't be done. That's hyperbole, There's no
question about it. That is everybody gets the pass saying
stuff like that. However, he was serious when he said
he was going to bring down prices. They have not
(13:07):
come down. Inflation is here and where it's really showing
itself is the food prices, particularly beef prices. And Neil
and I have talked about that. Meat has gone through
the roof, and even the President has expressed frustration with
the high prices that we're paying for in grocery stores,
particularly meat, and he's promising quote a deal to bring
(13:30):
the price down. And what does that mean, Well, to
bring something down, you boost supply.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Right, the more supply, the cheaper he gets.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So since the dairy herds or the beef herds are
at a minimum right now, they've really shrunk over the
past several years. He is purchasing eighty thousand tons of
beef from Argentina. That's quadruple the typical quota. And man
has there been backlash from farm state Republicans and agricultural
industry groups who are really on his side and feel
(14:02):
very burnt by this policy. Remember the election was fueled
by the concern over high costs, and guess what we
have right now high costs, big costs.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So this is a lose lose for the president on
this one.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Why because it's the best interest of the country to
bring down prices. If we're now paying what I think,
six dollars and thirty cents average price per pound for
hamburger meat, I mean, I never remember.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It being that high.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Have you kneel six dollars and thirty cents for hamburger meat?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Not my recollection, No, No, it's pretty high. So he
is saying, Okay, we have to increase supply. That's how
we get our prices down. So it's he loses, he loses,
no matter what. He keeps Argentina beef where it is
and the price is here explode. He brings in beef
and the prices decrease, and the the farmers, they heard
(15:02):
the beef farmers are their prices go down, and they're
some of his biggest supporters.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's a mess.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And last week he said on truth Social you wanted
to prod cattle ranchers, that's very funny to get their
prices down while crediting is tariffs in Brazil, another top
beef exporter, and that's going to help the US cattle market.
The cattle market's a mess. However, the ranchers, for the
(15:34):
first time in years, have made some money. It's a
very volatile industry. And they have been losing their shirts. Oh,
they've been losing their jackets made out of hides. And
he said, the prices are up so big that we'll
have to make a determination. But the ranchers are going
(15:54):
to be very unhappy because they have suffered for many years.
And when you look at the economy going south, where
our dollars are buying less and inflation is here not
crazy like it was under Biden years because Biden it
hit it nine percent at its worst. It's still high
(16:16):
and it is climbing. Wages are not keeping up with inflation.
And if it keeps on going like this, and there's
no reason not to think it won't, there's going to
be a real issue in terms of price in the economy.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The higher the cost of meat, the better off it
is for the ranchers. And the high cost of meat
is one bright spot in the struggling agricultural sector also
another bright spot. It looks like China and the United States,
with of course President Trump leading negotiations, it looks like
(16:53):
a deal is in the works, so China begins again
to buy soybeans.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
From them, from US farmers.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think that's the biggest export of grain that we
have in this country, of soybeans, and China just cut
it off, just said not one soybean, not one will
be bought, and it hasn't been. So now it looks
like a deal is going to be cut, which we'll
talk over the next few days, because the President is
on his way to meet the ping Master or the
(17:28):
ping meister, Jijiping that's what they call him. As I
said yesterday, the pingster el I do el Pingo is
what they call him. Okay, very southern California.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What is that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's called The Fields. It's a dating service. But it's
almost like one of those five minute dating things where
you sit down, you go that speed dating. This is
a little bit more complicated. You have a group of
people in a gathering darks.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Ali Hoffman came up with this. It's called the Fields.
She has a master's in psychology with a focus in
spirituality for Columbia University. I didn't know you could get
a degree in spirituality from Columbia.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What does that tell you where we've gone?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Anyways, it's actually a singles mixer, and what it does
is employ various touch based techniques in the dark to
get any participants to learn more about themselves, to chip
away at defenses, and maybe just maybe fall in love.
(18:39):
She says, it feels so hard out there. We're really
believing that it's our fault. It starts at the beginning
of a mixer saying that I don't believe that's true.
I think there's some macro level forces that are affecting us,
that are creating what we're in right now, and I'm
here to unwind a lot of that. So as difficult
as it is to date, and it's not easy, I mean, frankly,
(19:00):
you go on these dating sites and everybody lies about
who they are what they do. If I ever went
on a dating site, which I never have, I'd be honest,
you know, I'd send a picture of who I am
right now. I never walk on beaches. I hate romantic spots.
I have no desire to be alone with you no,
I don't let I hate trees. I wouldn't do well.
(19:23):
But people end up not doing well anyway. So she
has come up with the fields, and everybody sits in
this dark room and starts sort of groping.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And that connection. I mean, it's so weird. And this
thing is growing like wildfire.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You're supposed to reach out and touch someone and somehow connect.
Now I can think of all kinds of things. Would
I ever do this? No chance, because there's a connection.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
What's that? I go? I really don't want to share that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Not very impressive, Bill, Okay, I don't need that for
my self esteem.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Didn't you used to do that in a movie theater
with a popcorn bucket?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I did sometimes those with a hat.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
The other thing about the fields, which is so weird,
This thing has exploded across the country. It's even gone international.
In the Philippines, for example, they call it the peels
and it seems to work. I guess it seems to work.
I don't know how what happens is well, just give
you a cost.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You're ready for this.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The level two, Level one is well. Level two is
around two hundred dollars per person. Level one, another version
doesn't involve the survey of personalized matching that only costs
ninety to one hundred dollars, although they do give a
huge discount for people who have lost one arm in
a traffic accident. Now Level two, on the other hand,
(20:48):
is much more connected, and what it's about is guiding
people back into real, authentic connections with each other. Do
you know why don't I think of this stuff? Why
don't I come up with some crazy ass philosophy or exercise.
There's that restaurant where it's totally dark and all the waiters,
(21:12):
the waiter persons are blind. You know about that, don't you, Neil?
It is completely crazy, and it's just how do they
not spill the soup in your lap? I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, it's set up. They memorize the space. It's not
like you go in there rearrange everything. Oh you would
do that. Just do fun? You do that?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Just yeah, that's what you do for fun. All right, guys,
we're done enough of this. Coming up, it's gonna be
Gary and Shannon and I am taking phone calls right
now starting in just a moment for handle on the
Law off the air for future broadcast. You can call
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(21:55):
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(22:15):
horrible Hurricane Melissa going through Jamaica right now. Tomorrow morning,
we're gonna have some really bad news I'm sure to
share with you. So the number, well, let me give
you some really bad news when you ask me a
legal question. You know how I love to do that.
Eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty. Back again tomorrow,
wake up call with Amy and Will Neil and I
(22:36):
jump aboard at six and then.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It all falls apart. Why not? And Cono?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah yeah, Cono, you're pointing at yourself. Yeah, and Cono's
here too, Whio be Yeah. Excitement level beyondbelief. This is
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KFI AM six forty Bill Handle here on a Tuesday morning,
October twenty eighth. Some of the stories we're looking at. Unfortunately,
Hurricane Melissa has hit them. Jamaica with a vengeance. One
hundred and seventy five mile an hour wins Category five,
devastating Jamaica. But that was assumed it was going to happen.
(00:28):
Here's the fun when Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is
suing the makers of tilot All, saying that tail and
All failed to warn consumers about the risks of taking
the drug while pregnant.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
What risks really? I think that since.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You have x percentage of women who were pregnant who
in fact unfortunately delivered kids who were were autistic, and
most of them at some point in their pregnancy eight pizza,
I believe that Ken Paxson must sue all the local
pizza makers in the area of which women had autism,
(01:11):
because pizza is equivalent to autism. Thailand all equivalent to autism.
Texas is nuts. I mean, it doesn't stop. None of
this does all, right, tell you what does stop, unfortunately
is tech Tuesday with rich Dmurrow.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Wish we could do that forever because I have so
many questions. Good morning, rich Oh thanks Phil.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I thought you said it's going to stop.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I was like, oh, wow, no, no, yeah, Well unfortunately
it's going to stop because we are limited. When we
talk about these lawsuits for crazy those are not limited.
The amount of time we have together is limited. That's
where I was going. You know that anyone can sue
for anything. I mean, when it's that kind of high
level thing, that's a whole nother world. Yeah, this is
(01:58):
the Texas Attorney General doing it. It's not just some
crazy ass guy out there. But anyway, let's get into
our stuff because I think this actually is more fun.
So let's talk about fake AI receipts. Now, what is
that about?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, and this is something that's been kind of.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Going on for a bit.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And now there's a report from the Financial Times that
businesses are getting tricked by these AI generator receipts. And
we know that if you do expense reports. Number one,
they're annoying. Number two, they require a lot number three,
A lot of it's automated because these companies have seated
control to these giant concurs of the world and things
(02:42):
like that. And employees are now apparently submitting ultra realistic
fake expense receipts thanks to AI. And so one of
these software companies ramps As they flagged over a million
dollars in fake receipts in just ninety days. And they
look really real, So the AI can even make them
(03:03):
look like they're wrinkled paper, They can put signatures on them,
and people, you know these AI companies, they put like
a water mark in them so that you can't really
submit them because the software will figure that out. So
what do the employees do. They just screenshot it or
take a picture of it with their phone and they
get around that. So this is a huge issue I
(03:23):
think for companies, and it's something that I if you're
an employee and you're doing this, I don't know why
you would do this, because you don't want to get
caught doing this.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Would Yeah, But I have a question, why can't anybody
use existing technology and just put in a fake expense
report or are you talking about providers that putting that
in there and getting money sent to them for products
they didn't send into the company, didn't sell the company.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't know who is doing this.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well, I think it's the employees that are going on
company travel and so they are they're padding. It's it's
kind of a new way of what's been going on forever,
which is patting the expense report right, except this time
it's ultra realistic. And because I think the idea here
is because AI is fact checking the expense reports before
they go for payment. Majority of the time, you know,
(04:17):
I think the AI just looks at the receipt says, oh,
that looks good, and it passes it through. So but
even SAP concur which you know, they scan a lot
of these receipts, one of their executives said, you can't
even trust your eyes anymore because these receipts look so good.
And so my question is, if you're an employee doing this,
(04:37):
you're gonna get fired. So probably not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, I mean, it's just another way of stealing money.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm assuming, right, you pitch in a fake report, which
people do all day long and until they don't. I
what you're saying is AI just makes it easier for
an employee to rip off the employer bottom line.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It makes this It makes it very easy. And I
remember seeing a story about this a couple of months
ago where this was just starting to happen, and this
was before the AI image generators have gotten so good now,
and I remember trying to generate one of these receipts
and I could not believe my eyes. I mean, it
was so good that it's like, oh my gosh. So
I think for maybe here's what I think happens. Maybe
(05:20):
employees tiptoe into this by saying, oh shoot, I forgot
to get that receipt or I need that receipt, and
so maybe they recreate it, and then all of a sudden,
you know, some other people just realize that you can
just make this very simple.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, Rich anti recognition glasses. I don't even know what
that means other than I don't recognize you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So imagine you put these glasses on and you try
to use face ID on your phone and it does
not work. That's what we're talking about here. So this
is a company called Zenny Optical. They've come out with
over the years a bunch of glasses for like blocking
blue light and things like that. But now they've got
this new technology called zeny id Guard, and it blocks
(06:08):
infrared facial recognition systems from tracking you.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So I thought this was.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Kind of cool, kind of interesting, kind of a sign
of our times. So the coding on these glasses, which
is a subtle pink so that you know, you kind
of signal to other people that hey, I'm blocking this stuff,
reflects up to eighty percent of near infrared light, which
is what a lot of cameras and biometric systems use
to identify faces. And you can test this out very
simply by trying face idea on your phone or something
(06:37):
like Windows Hello on a Windows PC, and they will
not work. So the idea here is that you wear
these glasses, you can walk around town and facial recognition
cameras that are trying to capture your biometrics are just
not going to work. So you can. I don't know
if you're completely anonymous when you wear these, but it's
just one step in kind of protecting your identity.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, there's entire industries that are anti where technology comes
up with something and then instantly there are now is
a group, a small group or a company to say,
oh no, no, we're going to fight that h and
it's it seems like it's one industry following another industry.
So if you don't want your face right, if you
(07:22):
don't want facial recognition, you walk around all day with
if you don't need glasses, with these playing lenses with
no prescription, and then you're theoretically fine, Do I have
that right?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yes? Huh? Isn't it easier just to wear like ninja
ninja masks and you know those costs six those costs
six bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's simpler than the ninja mask because this still lets
you people see your eyes. But it's just you know, look,
I think when it comes to what you said to
your point of any industry that pops up, there's always
going to be a reactionary industry. And I think that
you know, is this a bit of a ploy to
get people to spend money on these glasses they may
or may not need. Is this really protecting your you know,
(08:04):
your facial identification?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Like who knows?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But the reality is that we see this stuff happen
all the time, and you know, it's one way that
people can feel more secure if they feel like they're
getting id'd in too many places. And I think it
is interesting. We've heard over and over bill that they
use this facial recognition in places like concerts. If you
look and this is you know, because I love technology,
(08:27):
so anywhere I go, if you look at like small
print on signs at places you go, a majority of
them are now mentioning that they are using some sort
of automated facial recognition or facial tracking at grocery stores
and different retailers that you go to. So when you
walk in there, yeah, they're they're figuring out like, oh, okay,
(08:47):
this person comes in. They may not have a name
to you just yet, but they know who you are
based on the fact that you come in there three
times a week. And eventually they could layer that with
some sort of third party database and figure out, hey,
this is Rich he's in here every Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Hey, are we reaching the point where you know, For example,
China uses face recognition basically for every single citizen.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
They know what every single one of.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Their people looks like with technology, which I don't understand
because they look all the same to me. But you've
got an entire country doing this. Are we heading in
that direction? You think where we're all going to be
somehow surveilled.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think it's already happening. I think that it's already happening.
And I mean, look, when I travel, I go from
my car to the airport, to the security to the
next country without speaking to a human being, or in
most cases, without even showing any ID. I mean, when
(09:48):
you go to LAX and you park on the parking,
you know structures there, it reads your license plate. If
you've already prepaid, it opens the gate. You go into
the LAX, you've got facial recognition. You walk up to
a camera, it snaps a picture of you. It says, okay,
you're rich Demiro. The gate opens up, you go in.
When you enter the other country, you scan your passport
(10:11):
or your face and it just says, hey, okay, come
on in. So we're already living in a society where
the government already knows who you are. They've got your biometrics,
they've got your face, and you know, we've all sort
of agreed to this. And it's I think the private
companies that are catching up to this, they probably have
more information in the government because we've handed it to them.
(10:34):
So I think, you know, we're going to see a
renaissance of people saying I want to reclaim some of
my privacy. I'm not sure that's going to be possible
in the future.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Now, I mean, how do you do that without legislation,
without laws that tell these companies and these organizations you
cannot do that anymore short of that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And you're right. It just occurred to me.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I just came back from Europe a few weeks ago,
and as I was getting off the airplane and there's
a line for American citizens and people who have a
foreign passports, and literally, I have my passport in my pocket,
and as I'm taking my passport out, uh, the TSA
person or in this case, the customs and the customers
(11:15):
people say no, no, just walk through here, just look
at the camera. And I was kind of floored. And
there's my picture ugly. I mean, there's is there such
thing as a good looking picture on driver's licenses or
any of this, any of these programs.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, I don't mind mine, but they don't let
you take another one. I mean, I you can't in.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yours, because yeah you can for your driver's license. You
can say, well, you take another one. I'll let you
look at it, just in case will because they wouldn't
let me look.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
They just said that's okay, you're good no.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, you ask hey, can I take a look? Do
you mind if I take a look, Because it's a
digital camerady, you're going to you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Come up the system.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
They got to get people, yeah, I know, but then
they have to they take the picture because what if
someone blinks, what if someone has their eyes closed?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, they look for that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
They they all they're looking for is just to make
sure that the measurements for biometrics are fine. They're not.
They don't care if you have you know, if you
look good.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
No, no, I'm talking about No, no, I'm talking about I'm talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I think we're on different pages here.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'm talking about the driver's licenses photos.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's where I was going. Okay, okay, we're going. I'm
glad we missed each other. And two ships passing in
the night.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Rich, we'll catch you at this Saturday, eleven am to
two pm right here on KFI. You have a good win,
A right, thank you, you got it. A Trump story
I want to share with you. When the president ran
for president, he said he was going to bring down prices.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That was part of his campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Inflation was too high, prices are way too high, and
he said I'm going to cut food prices in half
by the first year. Now, that is I don't believe that.
Of course, that can't be done. That's hyperbole, There's no
question about it. That is everybody gets the pass saying
stuff like that. However, he was serious when he said
he was going to bring down prices. They have not
(13:07):
come down. Inflation is here and where it's really showing
itself is the food prices, particularly beef prices. And Neil
and I have talked about that. Meat has gone through
the roof, and even the President has expressed frustration with
the high prices that we're paying for in grocery stores,
particularly meat, and he's promising quote a deal to bring
(13:30):
the price down. And what does that mean, Well, to
bring something down, you boost supply.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Right, the more supply, the cheaper he gets.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So since the dairy herds or the beef herds are
at a minimum right now, they've really shrunk over the
past several years. He is purchasing eighty thousand tons of
beef from Argentina. That's quadruple the typical quota. And man
has there been backlash from farm state Republicans and agricultural
industry groups who are really on his side and feel
(14:02):
very burnt by this policy. Remember the election was fueled
by the concern over high costs, and guess what we
have right now high costs, big costs.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So this is a lose lose for the president on
this one.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Why because it's the best interest of the country to
bring down prices. If we're now paying what I think,
six dollars and thirty cents average price per pound for
hamburger meat, I mean, I never remember.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It being that high.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Have you kneel six dollars and thirty cents for hamburger meat?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Not my recollection, No, No, it's pretty high. So he
is saying, Okay, we have to increase supply. That's how
we get our prices down. So it's he loses, he loses,
no matter what. He keeps Argentina beef where it is
and the price is here explode. He brings in beef
and the prices decrease, and the the farmers, they heard
(15:02):
the beef farmers are their prices go down, and they're
some of his biggest supporters.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's a mess.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And last week he said on truth Social you wanted
to prod cattle ranchers, that's very funny to get their
prices down while crediting is tariffs in Brazil, another top
beef exporter, and that's going to help the US cattle market.
The cattle market's a mess. However, the ranchers, for the
(15:34):
first time in years, have made some money. It's a
very volatile industry. And they have been losing their shirts. Oh,
they've been losing their jackets made out of hides. And
he said, the prices are up so big that we'll
have to make a determination. But the ranchers are going
(15:54):
to be very unhappy because they have suffered for many years.
And when you look at the economy going south, where
our dollars are buying less and inflation is here not
crazy like it was under Biden years because Biden it
hit it nine percent at its worst. It's still high
(16:16):
and it is climbing. Wages are not keeping up with inflation.
And if it keeps on going like this, and there's
no reason not to think it won't, there's going to
be a real issue in terms of price in the economy.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The higher the cost of meat, the better off it
is for the ranchers. And the high cost of meat
is one bright spot in the struggling agricultural sector also
another bright spot. It looks like China and the United States,
with of course President Trump leading negotiations, it looks like
(16:53):
a deal is in the works, so China begins again
to buy soybeans.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
From them, from US farmers.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think that's the biggest export of grain that we
have in this country, of soybeans, and China just cut
it off, just said not one soybean, not one will
be bought, and it hasn't been. So now it looks
like a deal is going to be cut, which we'll
talk over the next few days, because the President is
on his way to meet the ping Master or the
(17:28):
ping meister, Jijiping that's what they call him. As I
said yesterday, the pingster el I do el Pingo is
what they call him. Okay, very southern California.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What is that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's called The Fields. It's a dating service. But it's
almost like one of those five minute dating things where
you sit down, you go that speed dating. This is
a little bit more complicated. You have a group of
people in a gathering darks.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Ali Hoffman came up with this. It's called the Fields.
She has a master's in psychology with a focus in
spirituality for Columbia University. I didn't know you could get
a degree in spirituality from Columbia.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What does that tell you where we've gone?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Anyways, it's actually a singles mixer, and what it does
is employ various touch based techniques in the dark to
get any participants to learn more about themselves, to chip
away at defenses, and maybe just maybe fall in love.
(18:39):
She says, it feels so hard out there. We're really
believing that it's our fault. It starts at the beginning
of a mixer saying that I don't believe that's true.
I think there's some macro level forces that are affecting us,
that are creating what we're in right now, and I'm
here to unwind a lot of that. So as difficult
as it is to date, and it's not easy, I mean, frankly,
(19:00):
you go on these dating sites and everybody lies about
who they are what they do. If I ever went
on a dating site, which I never have, I'd be honest,
you know, I'd send a picture of who I am
right now. I never walk on beaches. I hate romantic spots.
I have no desire to be alone with you no,
I don't let I hate trees. I wouldn't do well.
(19:23):
But people end up not doing well anyway. So she
has come up with the fields, and everybody sits in
this dark room and starts sort of groping.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And that connection. I mean, it's so weird. And this
thing is growing like wildfire.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You're supposed to reach out and touch someone and somehow connect.
Now I can think of all kinds of things. Would
I ever do this? No chance, because there's a connection.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
What's that? I go? I really don't want to share that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Not very impressive, Bill, Okay, I don't need that for
my self esteem.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Didn't you used to do that in a movie theater
with a popcorn bucket?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I did sometimes those with a hat.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
The other thing about the fields, which is so weird,
This thing has exploded across the country. It's even gone international.
In the Philippines, for example, they call it the peels
and it seems to work. I guess it seems to work.
I don't know how what happens is well, just give
you a cost.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You're ready for this.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The level two, Level one is well. Level two is
around two hundred dollars per person. Level one, another version
doesn't involve the survey of personalized matching that only costs
ninety to one hundred dollars, although they do give a
huge discount for people who have lost one arm in
a traffic accident. Now Level two, on the other hand,
(20:48):
is much more connected, and what it's about is guiding
people back into real, authentic connections with each other. Do
you know why don't I think of this stuff? Why
don't I come up with some crazy ass philosophy or exercise.
There's that restaurant where it's totally dark and all the waiters,
(21:12):
the waiter persons are blind. You know about that, don't you, Neil?
It is completely crazy, and it's just how do they
not spill the soup in your lap? I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, it's set up. They memorize the space. It's not
like you go in there rearrange everything. Oh you would
do that. Just do fun? You do that?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Just yeah, that's what you do for fun. All right, guys,
we're done enough of this. Coming up, it's gonna be
Gary and Shannon and I am taking phone calls right
now starting in just a moment for handle on the
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(21:55):
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(22:15):
horrible Hurricane Melissa going through Jamaica right now. Tomorrow morning,
we're gonna have some really bad news I'm sure to
share with you. So the number, well, let me give
you some really bad news when you ask me a
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Eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty. Back again tomorrow,
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(22:36):
jump aboard at six and then.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It all falls apart. Why not? And Cono?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah yeah, Cono, you're pointing at yourself. Yeah, and Cono's
here too, Whio be Yeah. Excitement level beyondbelief. This is
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