November 12, 2025 • 20 mins
(November 12, 2025)
Bill talks with Jeanette whose son-in-law was detained and deported by ICE for illegal immigrant status. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about the dangers of Kratom and the baby formula being recalled after botulism outbreak.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am six forty Bill Handle here on a Wednesday morning,
November twelfth. For the last few days, I've been telling
you the story of this young man, a Don, who
was a photographer, the photographer at my daughter's wedding and
I had a blowout party at my house, the one
that I'm going to do for the rest of my life,
(00:27):
and he came and photographed that one. And I also
told you that he is now sitting in El Salvador
having been deported. And there's a story there I want
to share with you because a lot of people think, oh,
illegal aliens, boom, done gone, But there are very many
levels of illegal aliens and legal aliens, and within there
(00:52):
there are many levels.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Jeannette, who happens to be.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The mother in law of a Don, is here and
you as one of Lindsay's best friends, and that's how
we hooked up. And Jeanette, first of all, thank you
for being with us on the show and taking the
time to do this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But what I want to do is throw.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It to you and explain the story of oudon coming
to the United States, what happened at the border and
everything that's gone through.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Because this is a crazy story.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And even those of you that say, oh my god,
we should throw him out, you know, he's illegal. That's
not fair to the rest of Americans. I mean, whatever
you want to say, there are other stories here. So Jeanette,
go at it. Good morning, microphone, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Good morning, Bill, are you hi? Thank you so much
you guys for having me here today.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You know, I just want to first start out and say,
as a daughter of a Vietnam veteran, I am so
indebted to this country. We have freedoms that other countries
don't have. So first and foremost, yesterday, Happy Veterans Day
to all our veterans.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And with that said, let's go for it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
My son in law, a Don, he came to this
country when he was thirteen years old as an unaccompanied miner.
He crossed over the border and he was checked as
a legal entry for a unaccompanied minor, So right out
of the gate right there. You know, when you have
a miner that's fled their country because his aunt was
(02:30):
brutally murdered. A Don literally found his aunt at the
front door of his home. Now that put enough fear
in that child. For him to buy an airplane ticket
and fly here by himself, that speaks volumes. And so
he sought out to come to our country where he
could be safe. And I think that that needs to
(02:52):
be honored.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay, and I want to get and it does. I mean,
that's a given at the end of this conversation. And
I agree with you in that one. But let's talk procedurally.
What happened. He got off the airplane, So he buys
a ticket. Did you even need a visa at the time?
Did he have a passport?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
You know, at the time he did not.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He came here with he was thirteen, He had no
no driver's license, no ID.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So he gets off. What happens is he gets off the.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Airplane, gets off the airplane. His mother was already living here.
She had left El Salvador much earlier to try and
come here and make a life so that she could
potentially bring her children here. And then once her sister
was murdered, you know, all things changed and the kids
just said, work, we need to leave. So a dawn
(03:40):
came to our country and he was enrolled in school
junior high school, went to junior high high school and
when you're under eighteen, he still was protected by the
asylum that he came over here, and so, yes, so
when you're a minor and you have legal which he did,
(04:01):
he was protected up until he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So at eighteen he became an illegal, undocumented human being
here in America.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Absolutely, Okay, So that starts when he's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Jeanette is with us, I'm telling the story about her
son in law has been deported and he is now
in El Salvador. And just before the break, she was
explaining that he came to America as an unaccompanied miner
at the age of thirteen. He's twenty six or twenty
seven now. He got off the airplane at the age
of thirteen, went right into the system when the schools graduated,
(04:38):
and until he was eighteen years old, he was protected.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
At eighteen, he became.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
An illegal, even though he was granted legal status as
a minor the second he turned eighteen.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That was done.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So, Jeanette, let's go through a timeline what happens there
at the end of which he ends up in a
detention center at an El Salvador.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Absolutely, so you know, once, like you said, Bill, once
he turns eighteen, he is now no longer protected and he,
as an eighteen year old, needs to start the process
of becoming a citizen. So Adawn has hired a lawyer
and has filed an application, and he's now in the system.
And you know, eighteen year old spending money on lawyers.
(05:22):
You know, this is not something that kids have access to.
So this takes time. Application was filed and nothing ever
became of it. We don't really know did the lawyer
file the proper paperwork? Did he just take a don's
money and not process it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now he applied for asylum based on the fact that
his aunt was murdered and drop off in front of
the house by MS thirteen. Correct, So that is if
you are in genuine fear of your life and prosecute
or and persecution.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yes, that's that is a basis for asylum, absolutely hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So it's you know, it's so hard to understand how
a Dawn could slip through the cracks here and that
applications can't be processed because the pathway to citizenship was
there right out of the gate. So time passes, nothing
is done. He ends up moving out of his mom's home.
(06:20):
He moves into Orange, into the Orange County area. He
ends up with a court date. He goes in and
you know they don't want to give him his citizenship.
Now it makes no sense to me, you know a
Don then to.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Wait to take does he physically go to court? Yes?
And what happened at that court at that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Court date they wanted to deport him. Now, how do
you have a child that's brought over here and give
an asylum and protected till he's eighteen years of age?
Then he becomes eighteen and one day and now you're
no longer protected.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So did he have his court a day in court?
Was he in front of a judge?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He was?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And how did the judge render a verdict? What was
the decision to port?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Wow? To port?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And so you know at that point, you know, a Don,
he's a young he's a kid's he's here, his family's here.
He's going to fight to stay here and do what
he thinks is correct, and that is you know, hire
another lawyer, wait file another application. You know, the years
have gone by. Don's only twenty six years old, so
(07:32):
it's not like a huge amount of time has gone by,
but you know, he ends up marrying my daughter, which
we all know that when you marry someone, hopefully that
helps your citizenship, right.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And he used to be almost automatic.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Absolutely, and now it doesn't seem to matter. That doesn't
seem to be it can it can help you, or
it cannot at all, So it can go either direction.
Once my daughter and a Don were married, they hired
a new lawyer. They went back, they filed another application.
They put on the application that he's married a citizen.
(08:09):
A Don went and did his biometrics through Homeland Security,
which you know is a very brave thing to do
because you're basically going to Homeland Security and you're surrendering yourself.
You're saying, I'm here, I'm here illegally, but I have
a pathway and I'm on it, so please show me
some grace and get me through the system like I've
(08:30):
been attempting to do. And so at that point, I think,
you know, honestly, I think it's like the that is
when it became very fragile, when a Dawn became let's say,
on the radar, because he had been here and the
judge originally had wanted to deport him, and.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
There was a deportation order correct, and he was appealing
it absolutely, and so then to be forthright and file
an application should h married to a citizen, which we
all know that their marriage is very real and very
you know, very much true.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I'm the mother in law, so I can speak, you know,
vouch for them. You know, none of it makes sense
and and down literally he's he's a photographer. He has
been paying taxes. He has a ten number. He's been
paying taxes to our government.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, they don't care.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, the government wants their money on any circumstances,
So that one is off the that's off. Yeah, that's
off the plate. Because you know, you could rob a
bank and they want you to. I can embezzle money
and they still want the money. But how did he
get picked up and end up in a detention center
and then deport it? That tell me about those circumstances.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So a down. Obviously we all know he's a photographer, right,
and he was hired by a company that wanted him
to fly out to Texas and he, uh, you know,
my kids are young, they need the money.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He took the job right, and unfortunately he bought an
airplane ticket and he used his passport and I believe
that that triggered Homeland Security.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
His password from El Salvador, right, okay, and they and
they picked him up, right, they.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Picked him up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So when my son in law entered the airport, they
knew he would be entering that day, and he was
taken at the airport, taken to a detention center. And
then you know, sadly from there on out. You know,
I'll be real honest with you, We're not really treating
(10:35):
these people like humans.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I know their story after story about how they're
being treated. And that's one one of the things. It's
it's changed completely in terms of immigration. And as you
pointed out, heretofore before this administration, what you described to
be an automatic path of citizenship, it will be an
automatic green card. I mean almost a second that he
married your daughter. Absolutely today it is a whole different world.
(11:01):
And what happens people get caught and they fell through
the cracks he did, and that that is the problem.
And there are so many people in What really pisses
me off is christinoum or the head of Homeland Security,
because she says over and over again, it's only the
worst of the worst, is all we pick.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Up just though, and she will not back down from that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And I can tell you it's not the worst of
the worst, because my son in law is the salt
and light of.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The earth and he is the last person that he's
a good kid, he is a good king. And that's
just the system.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And we do have a basis for asylum, and there
are legitimate reasons people have asylum, one of them being
if you're coming from a country where you're going to
die in this case, you know, being a victim of
MS thirteen.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And if you stay, you're dead. We have a program
for that.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's not someone who's crossing over the border illegally, none
of that. All right, It's unfortunately a terrific story. And
if you want more information, you're not going to get
it because I'm not going to give you last name,
and I have no more information.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So thanks for listening, Jadette, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
All Right, what a pleasure, What a story, isn't it?
All Right?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It is a Wednesday morning and it is time for
well medical news. Doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Jim, we were just talking.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
About you, and we were discussing whether or not you're
legal here in the United States because you look pretty brown.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I might be. I might be taken off.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Jim, it's Neil. This is an intervention Keeney. Is that
Hispanic or Mexicano?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, depends on how you spell it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
But I see that's very funny too. All right, Jim,
A couple of things I want to ask you about.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Kratm kr a t O M, which I never heard of,
and it's become big news.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And of course is it legit?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Is it not legit because it's one of those non
FDA approved whatever is right?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Right? Yeah? This is this is a dangerous kind of
drug potentially, but it's got this wide range of what
we're talking about when we talk about kretom. It's so
it's used in Asia and a lot of times workers
use it. It's a leaf and they can chew the leaf,
they can make a tea out of it, and in
those cases it's in low doses. With all the other
(13:37):
chemicals that are found in the leaf altogether, it becomes
kind of like a stimulant. So it's like their morning coffee.
They get up early in the morning to avoid the
midday sun to when they're going out to work, So
they're getting up at four in the morning taking a
little of those kretam t and then they might do
it again in the afternoon a little bit. In higher
(13:58):
doses though, it has opiate like effects, right, so it
reduces pain, and that's where it kirked the interest that
people in the United States, and for a while there
we thought maybe this could be an alternative or an
aid to get people off opiate addiction. But the higher
doses and these are now we're making it synthetically, so
the stuff you buy it in a gas station, the
(14:20):
synthetic cretom doesn't have all the other chemicals a leaf
has in it. It is super high doses, like one
hundred times the dose you would get in the te
of the active ingredient that actually reduces pain, and it
has these opiate like effects. It is even more addictive
than opiates that we have on the market area.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And it is legal. I can buy it at a
gas station.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, right now it's it's legal in the state of California,
but in LA they're talking about removing it and they're
going to They're going to start going into gas stations
and citing them if they're selling it, so it'll people
can still buy it online. It's illegal in six other states,
but it's legal here. The s DA hasn't come out
with a stance on it, so federally it's still legal.
(15:04):
So yeah, it's still available for purchase. And it's kind
of a scary drug because the people who take it,
they say, wow, you are quickly addicted to it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And you know, you think, when this sort of thing happens,
and you've dealt with this for a long time, Once
something is deemed dangerous, how quickly does it take the
FDA to jump on it and make it illegal and
that translates into some kind of legislation.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, it depends. I mean you've seen designer drugs took decades,
you know, to get outlawed, where the designer they were
just designing. They were outlong one specific chemical and then
a chemist would change it by one molecule and suddenly
technically it wasn't illegal anymore. So it took them decades
to sort that out and get it so they could
(15:51):
make the whole class illegal. So they can be very
slow on this stuff. And the other thing is the
reason you haven't heard of it. And the reason that
flies under the radar is because it's often mixed. The
people who use this often are mixing it with alcohol
or other drugs and so, and this doesn't come up
on a drug test. So the problem is when we
see them in the er and their final cause of
(16:12):
death is listed, criton is usually not found in there.
So this has kind of been flying under the radar
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
All right, big story that happening, and it looks it
seems pretty problematic the baby formula recall because they're a
botulism outbreak and it looks like it's getting worse that
the numbers are just starting to come in.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You want to talk about that, please?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Sure? Yeah, First let's talk about botulism. That's botulism is
as a disease that you get when you have the
toxin from the bosulism organism in your body. That's the
same chemical we use for botox, right, That's what botox
is short for as botulism toxin, and it works by
blocking a nerve conductor acetylcholine and paralyzes your muscles. So
(16:57):
when you get sick from this. That's what happens to
these babies is the botulism. Now, botulism can't grow in
an acidic environment, and so babies their stomach isn't quite
isn't as acidic as adults yet, and that's why when
they ingest these spores, they can actually grow in their stomach,
in their body and create an infection. If for normal adults,
(17:20):
if you just ingested the spore, nothing would happen. If
you have to ingest the actual toxin for you to
get paralyzed from it. So that's what we're finding in
this baby formula. More common story that we get is
honey honey has botulism spores in it has nothing to
do with it. Whether it's raw honey or commercially processed honey,
all honey has the potential have this botulism spores. They
(17:42):
can survive in crazy environments. They're they're hard to kill.
You can't you know, boil up to one hundred degrees
and celsius, it still won't kill them. You need to
auto clay things to get to kill this toxin or
the spore. It can live for decades in the soil.
Uv doesn't kill it. It's infectives don't kill it. So
it's hard to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And is that why it's so dangerous because once it's there,
is there and it's not leaving.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, it's in the environment already. I mean, if you
went out and grabbed some of your potting soil and
then created the perfect environment for bosulism to grow, you
could probably grow your own bosulism in your backyard.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
No, and I know I'm talking about once it's in
your body.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
What's in your body? Yeah, it's so for again for adults,
once the toxins in your body, it'll eventually break down
and we can use antibodies to kind of to latch
onto it so it's ineffective, and then we can support
you through you know, breathing mechanisms, you know, being on
a ventilator, that type of thing, until it all comes
out of your body and people do just fine afterwards.
(18:45):
It's usually no long term effects. For babies because it's
growing in their body. It comes on more slowly, and
what happens is they get a little floppy. You know,
they lose muscle tone, they're not eating real well, they're drooling,
they're not having good bowel movement. Everything just slows down
and as they get more floppy. That's one of our differentially.
(19:06):
I wonder if this baby has botulism, and then we
can do the same thing, give them the antibody and
also put them on ventilators if they're not breathing well
or that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And so this baby form, the whole thing has been recalled.
And I noticed that the word organic is there, and
that kills you every time. I think the takeaway here,
I think Jim.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Is behind this.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Never ever you buy or use or ingest anything that
has the word organic on the label.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Is that fair? No?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I don't think borgellia does. Sometimes organic has nothing to
do with it. Sometimes raw or past your eyes or
process doesn't have anything to do with it. It just happens.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
All right, Jim, we'll talk again next week. Have a
good one. Take care.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
We're done, guys, And oh I'm sorry. There you have
Shannon and Neil just have it a roaring conversation.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
That is, I just came in here to drop my
stuff off and feels like you should really get some spanks.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I did. I did not get out of my space.
That is, you got you got very close. This is Shannon.
This is why we love her. Oh my god, because
did you say I need spanks. Okay, we're done.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
That's it, guys, Uh Gary, Gary and Gary and non
spank Shannon joining us in just a moment or joining
and doing the show. And we're back again tomorrow morning. Everybody,
wake up call from five to six with Amy and
Will and then Neil and I come aboard and of
course and running around here and KNO behind the board
(20:41):
and that's where we all live.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am six forty Bill Handle here on a Wednesday morning,
November twelfth. For the last few days, I've been telling
you the story of this young man, a Don, who
was a photographer, the photographer at my daughter's wedding and
I had a blowout party at my house, the one
that I'm going to do for the rest of my life,
(00:27):
and he came and photographed that one. And I also
told you that he is now sitting in El Salvador
having been deported. And there's a story there I want
to share with you because a lot of people think, oh,
illegal aliens, boom, done gone, But there are very many
levels of illegal aliens and legal aliens, and within there
(00:52):
there are many levels.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Jeannette, who happens to be.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The mother in law of a Don, is here and
you as one of Lindsay's best friends, and that's how
we hooked up. And Jeanette, first of all, thank you
for being with us on the show and taking the
time to do this.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But what I want to do is throw.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It to you and explain the story of oudon coming
to the United States, what happened at the border and
everything that's gone through.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Because this is a crazy story.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And even those of you that say, oh my god,
we should throw him out, you know, he's illegal. That's
not fair to the rest of Americans. I mean, whatever
you want to say, there are other stories here. So Jeanette,
go at it. Good morning, microphone, there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Good morning, Bill, are you hi? Thank you so much
you guys for having me here today.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You know, I just want to first start out and say,
as a daughter of a Vietnam veteran, I am so
indebted to this country. We have freedoms that other countries
don't have. So first and foremost, yesterday, Happy Veterans Day
to all our veterans.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And with that said, let's go for it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
My son in law, a Don, he came to this
country when he was thirteen years old as an unaccompanied miner.
He crossed over the border and he was checked as
a legal entry for a unaccompanied minor, So right out
of the gate right there. You know, when you have
a miner that's fled their country because his aunt was
(02:30):
brutally murdered. A Don literally found his aunt at the
front door of his home. Now that put enough fear
in that child. For him to buy an airplane ticket
and fly here by himself, that speaks volumes. And so
he sought out to come to our country where he
could be safe. And I think that that needs to
(02:52):
be honored.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay, and I want to get and it does. I mean,
that's a given at the end of this conversation. And
I agree with you in that one. But let's talk procedurally.
What happened. He got off the airplane, So he buys
a ticket. Did you even need a visa at the time?
Did he have a passport?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
You know, at the time he did not.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He came here with he was thirteen, He had no
no driver's license, no ID.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So he gets off. What happens is he gets off the.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Airplane, gets off the airplane. His mother was already living here.
She had left El Salvador much earlier to try and
come here and make a life so that she could
potentially bring her children here. And then once her sister
was murdered, you know, all things changed and the kids
just said, work, we need to leave. So a dawn
(03:40):
came to our country and he was enrolled in school
junior high school, went to junior high high school and
when you're under eighteen, he still was protected by the
asylum that he came over here, and so, yes, so
when you're a minor and you have legal which he did,
(04:01):
he was protected up until he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So at eighteen he became an illegal, undocumented human being
here in America.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Absolutely, Okay, So that starts when he's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Jeanette is with us, I'm telling the story about her
son in law has been deported and he is now
in El Salvador. And just before the break, she was
explaining that he came to America as an unaccompanied miner
at the age of thirteen. He's twenty six or twenty
seven now. He got off the airplane at the age
of thirteen, went right into the system when the schools graduated,
(04:38):
and until he was eighteen years old, he was protected.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
At eighteen, he became.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
An illegal, even though he was granted legal status as
a minor the second he turned eighteen.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That was done.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So, Jeanette, let's go through a timeline what happens there
at the end of which he ends up in a
detention center at an El Salvador.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Absolutely, so you know, once, like you said, Bill, once
he turns eighteen, he is now no longer protected and he,
as an eighteen year old, needs to start the process
of becoming a citizen. So Adawn has hired a lawyer
and has filed an application, and he's now in the system.
And you know, eighteen year old spending money on lawyers.
(05:22):
You know, this is not something that kids have access to.
So this takes time. Application was filed and nothing ever
became of it. We don't really know did the lawyer
file the proper paperwork? Did he just take a don's
money and not process it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now he applied for asylum based on the fact that
his aunt was murdered and drop off in front of
the house by MS thirteen. Correct, So that is if
you are in genuine fear of your life and prosecute
or and persecution.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yes, that's that is a basis for asylum, absolutely hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So it's you know, it's so hard to understand how
a Dawn could slip through the cracks here and that
applications can't be processed because the pathway to citizenship was
there right out of the gate. So time passes, nothing
is done. He ends up moving out of his mom's home.
(06:20):
He moves into Orange, into the Orange County area. He
ends up with a court date. He goes in and
you know they don't want to give him his citizenship.
Now it makes no sense to me, you know a
Don then to.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Wait to take does he physically go to court? Yes?
And what happened at that court at that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Court date they wanted to deport him. Now, how do
you have a child that's brought over here and give
an asylum and protected till he's eighteen years of age?
Then he becomes eighteen and one day and now you're
no longer protected.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So did he have his court a day in court?
Was he in front of a judge?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He was?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And how did the judge render a verdict? What was
the decision to port?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Wow? To port?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And so you know at that point, you know, a Don,
he's a young he's a kid's he's here, his family's here.
He's going to fight to stay here and do what
he thinks is correct, and that is you know, hire
another lawyer, wait file another application. You know, the years
have gone by. Don's only twenty six years old, so
(07:32):
it's not like a huge amount of time has gone by,
but you know, he ends up marrying my daughter, which
we all know that when you marry someone, hopefully that
helps your citizenship, right.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And he used to be almost automatic.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Absolutely, and now it doesn't seem to matter. That doesn't
seem to be it can it can help you, or
it cannot at all, So it can go either direction.
Once my daughter and a Don were married, they hired
a new lawyer. They went back, they filed another application.
They put on the application that he's married a citizen.
(08:09):
A Don went and did his biometrics through Homeland Security,
which you know is a very brave thing to do
because you're basically going to Homeland Security and you're surrendering yourself.
You're saying, I'm here, I'm here illegally, but I have
a pathway and I'm on it, so please show me
some grace and get me through the system like I've
(08:30):
been attempting to do. And so at that point, I think,
you know, honestly, I think it's like the that is
when it became very fragile, when a Dawn became let's say,
on the radar, because he had been here and the
judge originally had wanted to deport him, and.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
There was a deportation order correct, and he was appealing
it absolutely, and so then to be forthright and file
an application should h married to a citizen, which we
all know that their marriage is very real and very
you know, very much true.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I'm the mother in law, so I can speak, you know,
vouch for them. You know, none of it makes sense
and and down literally he's he's a photographer. He has
been paying taxes. He has a ten number. He's been
paying taxes to our government.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, they don't care.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, the government wants their money on any circumstances,
So that one is off the that's off. Yeah, that's
off the plate. Because you know, you could rob a
bank and they want you to. I can embezzle money
and they still want the money. But how did he
get picked up and end up in a detention center
and then deport it? That tell me about those circumstances.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So a down. Obviously we all know he's a photographer, right,
and he was hired by a company that wanted him
to fly out to Texas and he, uh, you know,
my kids are young, they need the money.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He took the job right, and unfortunately he bought an
airplane ticket and he used his passport and I believe
that that triggered Homeland Security.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
His password from El Salvador, right, okay, and they and
they picked him up, right, they.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Picked him up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So when my son in law entered the airport, they
knew he would be entering that day, and he was
taken at the airport, taken to a detention center. And
then you know, sadly from there on out. You know,
I'll be real honest with you, We're not really treating
(10:35):
these people like humans.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I know their story after story about how they're
being treated. And that's one one of the things. It's
it's changed completely in terms of immigration. And as you
pointed out, heretofore before this administration, what you described to
be an automatic path of citizenship, it will be an
automatic green card. I mean almost a second that he
married your daughter. Absolutely today it is a whole different world.
(11:01):
And what happens people get caught and they fell through
the cracks he did, and that that is the problem.
And there are so many people in What really pisses
me off is christinoum or the head of Homeland Security,
because she says over and over again, it's only the
worst of the worst, is all we pick.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Up just though, and she will not back down from that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And I can tell you it's not the worst of
the worst, because my son in law is the salt
and light of.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The earth and he is the last person that he's
a good kid, he is a good king. And that's
just the system.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
And we do have a basis for asylum, and there
are legitimate reasons people have asylum, one of them being
if you're coming from a country where you're going to
die in this case, you know, being a victim of
MS thirteen.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And if you stay, you're dead. We have a program
for that.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's not someone who's crossing over the border illegally, none
of that. All right, It's unfortunately a terrific story. And
if you want more information, you're not going to get
it because I'm not going to give you last name,
and I have no more information.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So thanks for listening, Jadette, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
All Right, what a pleasure, What a story, isn't it?
All Right?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It is a Wednesday morning and it is time for
well medical news. Doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Jim, we were just talking.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
About you, and we were discussing whether or not you're
legal here in the United States because you look pretty brown.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I might be. I might be taken off.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Jim, it's Neil. This is an intervention Keeney. Is that
Hispanic or Mexicano?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, depends on how you spell it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
But I see that's very funny too. All right, Jim,
A couple of things I want to ask you about.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Kratm kr a t O M, which I never heard of,
and it's become big news.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And of course is it legit?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Is it not legit because it's one of those non
FDA approved whatever is right?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Right? Yeah? This is this is a dangerous kind of
drug potentially, but it's got this wide range of what
we're talking about when we talk about kretom. It's so
it's used in Asia and a lot of times workers
use it. It's a leaf and they can chew the leaf,
they can make a tea out of it, and in
those cases it's in low doses. With all the other
(13:37):
chemicals that are found in the leaf altogether, it becomes
kind of like a stimulant. So it's like their morning coffee.
They get up early in the morning to avoid the
midday sun to when they're going out to work, So
they're getting up at four in the morning taking a
little of those kretam t and then they might do
it again in the afternoon a little bit. In higher
(13:58):
doses though, it has opiate like effects, right, so it
reduces pain, and that's where it kirked the interest that
people in the United States, and for a while there
we thought maybe this could be an alternative or an
aid to get people off opiate addiction. But the higher
doses and these are now we're making it synthetically, so
the stuff you buy it in a gas station, the
(14:20):
synthetic cretom doesn't have all the other chemicals a leaf
has in it. It is super high doses, like one
hundred times the dose you would get in the te
of the active ingredient that actually reduces pain, and it
has these opiate like effects. It is even more addictive
than opiates that we have on the market area.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And it is legal. I can buy it at a
gas station.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, right now it's it's legal in the state of California,
but in LA they're talking about removing it and they're
going to They're going to start going into gas stations
and citing them if they're selling it, so it'll people
can still buy it online. It's illegal in six other states,
but it's legal here. The s DA hasn't come out
with a stance on it, so federally it's still legal.
(15:04):
So yeah, it's still available for purchase. And it's kind
of a scary drug because the people who take it,
they say, wow, you are quickly addicted to it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And you know, you think, when this sort of thing happens,
and you've dealt with this for a long time, Once
something is deemed dangerous, how quickly does it take the
FDA to jump on it and make it illegal and
that translates into some kind of legislation.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, it depends. I mean you've seen designer drugs took decades,
you know, to get outlawed, where the designer they were
just designing. They were outlong one specific chemical and then
a chemist would change it by one molecule and suddenly
technically it wasn't illegal anymore. So it took them decades
to sort that out and get it so they could
(15:51):
make the whole class illegal. So they can be very
slow on this stuff. And the other thing is the
reason you haven't heard of it. And the reason that
flies under the radar is because it's often mixed. The
people who use this often are mixing it with alcohol
or other drugs and so, and this doesn't come up
on a drug test. So the problem is when we
see them in the er and their final cause of
(16:12):
death is listed, criton is usually not found in there.
So this has kind of been flying under the radar
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
All right, big story that happening, and it looks it
seems pretty problematic the baby formula recall because they're a
botulism outbreak and it looks like it's getting worse that
the numbers are just starting to come in.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You want to talk about that, please?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Sure? Yeah, First let's talk about botulism. That's botulism is
as a disease that you get when you have the
toxin from the bosulism organism in your body. That's the
same chemical we use for botox, right, That's what botox
is short for as botulism toxin, and it works by
blocking a nerve conductor acetylcholine and paralyzes your muscles. So
(16:57):
when you get sick from this. That's what happens to
these babies is the botulism. Now, botulism can't grow in
an acidic environment, and so babies their stomach isn't quite
isn't as acidic as adults yet, and that's why when
they ingest these spores, they can actually grow in their stomach,
in their body and create an infection. If for normal adults,
(17:20):
if you just ingested the spore, nothing would happen. If
you have to ingest the actual toxin for you to
get paralyzed from it. So that's what we're finding in
this baby formula. More common story that we get is
honey honey has botulism spores in it has nothing to
do with it. Whether it's raw honey or commercially processed honey,
all honey has the potential have this botulism spores. They
(17:42):
can survive in crazy environments. They're they're hard to kill.
You can't you know, boil up to one hundred degrees
and celsius, it still won't kill them. You need to
auto clay things to get to kill this toxin or
the spore. It can live for decades in the soil.
Uv doesn't kill it. It's infectives don't kill it. So
it's hard to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And is that why it's so dangerous because once it's there,
is there and it's not leaving.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, it's in the environment already. I mean, if you
went out and grabbed some of your potting soil and
then created the perfect environment for bosulism to grow, you
could probably grow your own bosulism in your backyard.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
No, and I know I'm talking about once it's in
your body.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
What's in your body? Yeah, it's so for again for adults,
once the toxins in your body, it'll eventually break down
and we can use antibodies to kind of to latch
onto it so it's ineffective, and then we can support
you through you know, breathing mechanisms, you know, being on
a ventilator, that type of thing, until it all comes
out of your body and people do just fine afterwards.
(18:45):
It's usually no long term effects. For babies because it's
growing in their body. It comes on more slowly, and
what happens is they get a little floppy. You know,
they lose muscle tone, they're not eating real well, they're drooling,
they're not having good bowel movement. Everything just slows down
and as they get more floppy. That's one of our differentially.
(19:06):
I wonder if this baby has botulism, and then we
can do the same thing, give them the antibody and
also put them on ventilators if they're not breathing well
or that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
And so this baby form, the whole thing has been recalled.
And I noticed that the word organic is there, and
that kills you every time. I think the takeaway here,
I think Jim.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Is behind this.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Never ever you buy or use or ingest anything that
has the word organic on the label.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Is that fair? No?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I don't think borgellia does. Sometimes organic has nothing to
do with it. Sometimes raw or past your eyes or
process doesn't have anything to do with it. It just happens.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
All right, Jim, we'll talk again next week. Have a
good one. Take care.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
We're done, guys, And oh I'm sorry. There you have
Shannon and Neil just have it a roaring conversation.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
That is, I just came in here to drop my
stuff off and feels like you should really get some spanks.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I did. I did not get out of my space.
That is, you got you got very close. This is Shannon.
This is why we love her. Oh my god, because
did you say I need spanks. Okay, we're done.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
That's it, guys, Uh Gary, Gary and Gary and non
spank Shannon joining us in just a moment or joining
and doing the show. And we're back again tomorrow morning. Everybody,
wake up call from five to six with Amy and
Will and then Neil and I come aboard and of
course and running around here and KNO behind the board
(20:41):
and that's where we all live.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
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