November 25, 2025 • 25 mins
(November 25,2025)
Judge tosses out criminal charges against James Comey and Letitia James. Pentagon says it might recall Sen. Mark Kelly to military service for court martial over ‘illegal orders’ video. Anxiety: It's what's for Thanksgiving dinner. More Americans are taking riskier adjustable-rate home loans.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listen Saints KFI AM six forty the bill handles
show on demand on the iHeartRadio ff I AM six
forty bill Handle Here. It is a Tuesday morning, November
twenty five. After tomorrow Thanksgiving, Neil will be filling in
for me as he does every Thanksgiving, answering questions about
(00:23):
turkeys and sides and all kinds of stuff. Oh, all
kinds of stuff in Okay, that almost worked, fair enough.
Yesterday was a big, big day in the world of
national politics and the law. It was probably going to happen.
(00:46):
The attorneys for James Comey and Letitia James had asked
that the court toss the criminal charges against them, and
that's exactly what the federal judge did. Now, it's a
little complex and it's more procedural technical than anything else.
But the argument was that the loyalist prosecutor, and that
(01:08):
it's the only way you can describe her, President Trump
brought in to bring these cases, was put into her
job unlawfully. And here is the unlawful part. And this
is where the judge ruled. There is a rule that
says when a president puts in an interim prosecutor, and
(01:28):
that word gets rid of the existing prosecutor on the case,
puts in an exit, puts in a new one only
has one hundred and twenty days. After one hundred and
twenty days, the president can no longer put the prosecutor
in place.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That immediately goes to the court.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
The court determines the prosecution and then it has to
go through the Senate and normal confirmation.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And it was past the one hundred and twenty days.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And Pam Bondi what she did is she backdated a
document saying that this prosecutor was not an interim prosecutor,
she was a special prosecutor. And the judge said, you
can't backdate this stuff. That just doesn't work. So that
(02:20):
is the legal technic technicality. Now let's talk about the
bigger picture as of this moment. What the judge did
is he dismissed it without prejudice, which means the government
can refile it. And then there's an issue with statute limitations,
and that is a technical issue too. There's a statue
run because Komi was indicted three days before the statute ended,
(02:45):
and the administration is saying, well, it told everything this dismissal,
and therefore the statute has six months to run, which
is what the law says. With Comy and Letitia are
saying this case and the judge used the word ab initio,
(03:05):
which means from the beginning, this thing sucked and was
not valid. So there is an argument, and then the
politics of this. The prosecutor, the original prosecutor, Cybert, who
is the US attorney within the Eastern District of Virginia
who filed this case, said there ain't enough evidence here.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
He was tossed. And Trump brings in.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
His personal lawyer, who was his personal lawyer and gives
her the job of US attorney. And she does not
have thirty seconds of prosecutorial experience, has never tried a
case in her life, and of course the Press secretary
(03:54):
of Donald Trump said she is qualified. You don't really
need proscriptorial experience. Any lawyer will do as long as
it is someone who is loyal to the president. And
so this thing becomes a political mess. See also, the
other argument is going to be that this is clearly
(04:15):
a political move. It is prosecutorial misconduct the Justice Department.
This cannot go forward because it is just Donald Trump
ordering the Justice Department to move forward and using the
Justice Department as a political foil to attack his perceived enemies.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That is the reason you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A president cannot use the Justice Department to attack political enemies.
It just isn't allowed. So this goes on and on.
So now the Justice Department has two ways to go.
Number one, appealing this decision and I'll go up to
the Supreme Court. They can go directly to the Supreme
Court actually or refiling the case.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
They can't do both. They have to do one or
the other.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
My guess is they're going to refile the case, and
my guess is they're going to be bringing in a
prosecutor that actually has experience, a season prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, what she.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Did is just completely just doesn't know what she's talking about.
And we're talking about what's her name. The attorney Halligan
went in front of the judge and the judge said
you and the argument was you didn't even show the
grand jury the entire indictment, which the law forces you
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to do. Her answer was brilliant, I thought.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And the judge nailed her for that.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's this thing is a political mess, and this is
the president using the Justice Department to go after enemies,
perceived enemies. We just talked about the James Comey and
Leticia James case that was tossed by the federal judge.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
At the same time, it was announced that the Pentagon
has launched.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
An investigation into Mark Kelly after that video that he
produced with five other Democratic colleagues reminding US service members
it was their duty to disobey unlawful orders. Now a
couple of things. Are they allowed to say this? Absolutely?
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Is this sedition as the Pentagon and the President is
portraying it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It is not. Is it political? Oh you bet it is.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It is a straight political shot at the President. So
the Pentagon launches and this investigation after receiving serious allegations
of misconduct, and they're opening up this investigation just as
to Mark Kelly, a sitting senator from Arizona. Now, why
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not the other five? Well, because the other five aren't
under the jurisdiction of the military.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But wait, a sec. Mark Kelly is not either. Oh
yes he is.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
He is a retired captain and still receiving benefits and
can actually be recalled to active duty and can then
be court martialed for what he said. Maybe actually not
have there been retired military that have been brought back
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and court martialed.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, but this.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Was for misconduct while they were in the military. There
has never been one where what happens as a civilian
then is prosecuted as a military member. That's for starters.
The other thing is this is a sitting senator and
that's never happened before. Now is an investigation going to
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be opened up?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Not a chance.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Is he going to be recalled for the purposes of
court martial?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Not a chance.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But the bigger picture is the president calling this sedition
and the death penalty should apply. Okay, by the way,
the law doesn't allow that. But so what I mean,
what do we care about the law? Assuming that sedition
does fly and it's the worst case, can a judge
give twenty years yes?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Does a judge give twenty years? No?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Because the argument is they weren't telling people to overthrow
the government, because that's what sedition is about. It's about
aiding and betting and trying to overthrow the government, which
happened January sixth with the attack on on the Capitol,
which of course everybody was pardoned because they were patriots.
Mark Kelly, who is saying you not only are this
(09:08):
group saying, not only do you have the right to
disobey illegal orders, you have a duty to disobey illegal orders.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Quick order about illegal orders.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And that is what Caroline can Levitt said, is that
duty members have to obey what superiors say. Excuse me, okay,
And if you commit any kind of a crime, if
it's illegal, the argument is, but I was ordered to
do it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That's what she's saying.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You are ordered to do it. So let me give
you an example. Maybe it's a little hyperbolic, and it is.
What if the president has declared that a demonstration is
a national emergency and it's a rebellion against the United States,
and the Pentagon orders the military to shoot unarmed civilians
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with their hands in the air.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And they're to be shot. That's the order.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Service people are not allowed to do that. It is unlawful.
And if someone does do that, they are criminally liable.
You know why, following orders is not a defense. That's
the Nuremberg defense. These are what the Nazi said after
World War Two. I was just following orders. Therefore I
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am not liable. It's my superiors are libel. So the
Nuremberg defense would never fly. Here, and an order that
is clearly illegal must not be followed. Now, they didn't
say what order. By the way, you can say that
this is First Amendment stuff. You're allowed to say orders.
You're basically you're quoting military code. It's right there. And
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of course any statement saying that you are to disregard
orders from your superiors in.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The Pentagon I have to be ignored.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And of course, what is the administration gonna do, because
what pete what the president tells Pete, Pete Hegseth to do,
Pete Hegseth does. And you know, even it's completely ridiculous
because they're talking about bringing him back. That's Kelly, and
they're talking about uh, then he's active duty again, and
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then he gets court martialed for what he did. It's
never happened before. He's a private citizen. And he quoted
what military law is. But that is insubordination, that is sedition.
That is a crime, and it's the overthrowing of the government,
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by the way, nothing specific, nothing specific at all. It's
he's an enemy. Therefore, let's go after him in any
way we can. And the easiest way we can is
to open up an investigation and somehow somewhere figure out
a way to bring him back, which they can do,
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and then we'll current court martial him for something he
said outside of the military. As a civilian, I'd love
to see that case. Is it going to happen? Of
course not, It will never happen. Can you imagine what
would happen if that were the case? This thing would
blow up to the point where I don't know what
the administration could possibly say. But then again, some crazy
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stuff is going against this interm against people with this
some this administration, some weird, weird stuff is going down.
The bottom line is that the president, the administration wants absolute,
undying loyalty. That's it. It's that simple. There's the line.
You are loyal, you get and get away with anything.
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You can attack the capital, you can defraud the government,
you can defraud investors to the tune of hundreds of
millions of dollars. It's okay as long as you are loyal.
If you are not loyal, if for example, you are
accused of on an application putting down that you live
in one place and not the other, that should be
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prosecuted and charged to the fullest extent of the law.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Felony.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Let's put her in jail for as long as possible.
That's actually happening. By the way, you know I'm telling you.
I know I'm biased on this stuff, and you know
I'm biased completely, But tell me that's not true. Tell
me that loyalists are not being rewarded and people that
are against the administration are not being punished. All right,
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this Thanksgiving Day after tomorrow, this is when people forget
their problems. This is when you set aside what's going
on in the world and you're with family. Well, let
me tell you what's probably going to happen. And I
want to bring this to the table too. Let's start
with the wholesale cost of turkey last week abuck sixty
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six a pound. That's up seventy percent from ninety eight
cents a pound at this time last year. The Index
of Consumer Sentiment, it's a survey maintained by the University
of Michigan since nineteen fifty eight, is the lowest it's
been in forty years, lower than the worst days of COVID,
lower than the financial crisis of two thousand and eight,
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lower than the wake of the eight nineteen eighty seven
stock market crash anxiety.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's all over this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Forty million Americans are facing uncertainty as their SNAP benefits
were suspended.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That was a problem that was during the government.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Shutdownption the disruption of the air traffic controllers because of
the shutdown. Holiday travel, Well, they're still talking about holiday
travel and worrying about it because of the weather on
this one does mean you don't worry about it. Hundreds
of thousands of federal employees missed their paychecks. They just
(15:13):
didn't get paid. And then how about these surprise immigration
and custom enforcement raids, which is pissing off a lot
of people. And if you know any Hispanic person out there,
you know that they're running really scared on again, off
again tariffs AI that is scaring a whole lot of people. Now,
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is it as bad as the granddaddy of all anxieties
which we suffer from when I was a kid, nuclear annihilation?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
We're worse off than that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Our confidence in the world is worse off than we
were thinking about getting the world blown into little pieces.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I forget.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You've got Washington and Moscow talking about resuming nuclear testing.
Todd coushten. Interesting word that has been developed here that
he coined. He's a psychologist and the founder of the
Well Being Laboratory at George Mason University. I have no
idea what the hell that is? Go figure, and he
used the word loomingness, fear that a threat is getting
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closer or moving faster than desired. And you have no
idea how bad this thing is going to get. Those
of you in the computer world, especially in the areas
where AI can affect you, you've got some problems. Now,
(16:48):
rarefied air. If you're at the top of the heap,
you're gonna do fine. If you're up there making four
hundred grand year and you're running entire divisions and you're
running cybersecurity divisions for a company, you're probably we're going
to do okay.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
How about entry level done? AI is doing all of it.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
If you're a new attorney, you got some big problems
because AI can do all the research for you.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
AI can write briefs. Now.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
On the one hand, financial markets are at just at
an all time high.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm looking at where the stock market is. It's never
been higher day to day.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But for every news story about these valuations of Nvidia
and open AI, there's another story about the AI bubble.
That's the other thing we're possibly looking at because when
this thing explodes, and it has to because what goes up,
while in this case, what goes up goes up and
keeps on going up wrong. And the argument is this
the AI movement and the cost of what it takes
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to put in place these AI centers and these data centers.
A lot of economists saying they will never be able
to pay paid back, never and the numbers are just
not the same. So on average, Americans think there's a
twenty three percent chance they're gonna lose their jobs in
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the next five years, which is, by the way, pretty
I think that's a low figure, and that's as high
as that number has ever ever been.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Have a happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy it with your family.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Because it'll probably be the last Thanksgiving that you'll ever
have because coming next Thanksgiving, you're gonna by then you're
gonna blow your brains out and you won't be enjoying
it as much.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So in enjoy, enjoy.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay, day after tomorrow it is Thanksgiving, and Neil is
here and will be filling in for me both Thursday
and Friday, which he does, and the rest of the
crew most will be here because that's they are, that's
where they are on the food chain here on KFI.
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It's always wonderful and don't forget coming up at well,
coming December second is a pastathon where we're gonna be
at the Anaheim White House giving Tuesday, and we'll be
broadcasting all day, starting at five am with wake up
call right through eight pm with Conway. And if you
come in the morning and join us for this show,
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it'll be real jew bagels and pastries and coffee and
it's well, you'll get the shmeror two.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh, also go to KFI AM six forty dot com
slash pastathon. We've got auction items, I mean like dozens
and dozens and some are terrific and some not so terrific,
but still auction items are so terrific.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Okay, let me get the list. Okay, let me see
what the list is, all right, okay? And what makes
you the arbiter of what is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I'm looking at I'm looking at the list, and uh,
one of them is our barbecue, you know, which is great.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Neil and I are going to host.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, actually, we're broadcasting from two to five and we
don't have the date yet a Fork Report show at
my house and we'll have chefs and pitmasters and Anaheim
White House is catering it, and you will be invited.
A top bidder will be invited to join us.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And your home is huh a sucker, You're no, it's.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Gonna be no, it's gonna be fun. And you get
a two thousand dollars set of of of knives, gourmet
knives and years of Zelman's and uh.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Here it is a shower caddy.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Okay, there you go, a Culligan two court water filter.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, not bad.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Because a okay, And all I'm saying is that, you know,
I mean some are great and some. You know, it's
just a winter bliss basket. I have no idea what
that is, but I'm sure it's phenomenal. Okay, Radiance and
renewal basket. I have no idea what that is. Oh,
(21:20):
A radiant beauty and globe basket. Yeah, okay, uh oh
dinner at the Katerina's white at the White House where
Chef Bruno is.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You're not actually gonna eat. What you're gonna do is
serve dinner to people.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And that is one of the auction items. Okay, moving
on adjustable rate rate homes. You know what, we're already basically,
let's do that tomorrow because I'm out of time. We've
been talking about our auction items. We've been talking about
the pastathon. So we always push it every year because
you know, last year we raised one point three million
(21:59):
dollars for Katarina's Club. And I've talked to people over
the years and major market radio stations, I mean big markets,
very well regarded listen to stations and they have their
pet charities. We raised eighty thousand dollars. We raised sixty
thousand dollars and I look at them, how about one
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point three million dollars for a local station? And that's
of course helping Chef Bruno's charity, Katerina's Club feed more
than twenty five thousand meals every week. When we started,
it was two hundred people at night. It was one
thousand meals a week. Now it is twenty five thousand.
So here is what you can do. Go to KFIAM
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six forty dot com, slash pastathon, donate money or you
can donate pasta and sauce.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's another thing we do.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Any Smart and Final store donate any amount at checkout
any Wendy's restaurant, and Neil and I were when on Saturday,
which was great fun. Donate five dollars or more and
you get a coupon book worth way more than five dollars.
And every year we do this. Now this year we
have to beat one point three million dollars. And also
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some of the more fun ones the auction items that
we are doing. I think it's a Dodger game with
Gary and Shannon, a Dodger game with Dean and Tina,
and Neil and I are doing that barbecue and that
that is up for our auction that we think is
the big one because we've never done that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So it is barbecue in my house private.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
There will only be a few people there, maybe twenty people,
and it's just family basically and friends of Lindsay's because
I have no friends. And you get to ride in
my elevator all the way to the penthouse. It's you
get to sit in my chair. And during the summer,
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I go commando, so I'm sweating into my chair with my.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Sweaty balls and you get to actually sit there. Oh,
come on, I'm telling you. There's a lot there Oh,
and that big jar.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You have the bubblegum machine with all the lamictyl in it. O.
Lindsey is making sure we all have prosecco because that's
her thing. So we'll have prosecco, lots of it. Anaheim
Whitehouse is catering it. I mean it's going to be
a fun, fun day. So that's the number one on
our our auction item and we've never ever done that.
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Years of Zelman's a gourmet nisaid wth two thousand bucks.
I mean it's a big deal. All Right, we're done.
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Speaker 2 (24:51):
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You're listen Saints KFI AM six forty the bill handles
show on demand on the iHeartRadio ff I AM six
forty bill Handle Here. It is a Tuesday morning, November
twenty five. After tomorrow Thanksgiving, Neil will be filling in
for me as he does every Thanksgiving, answering questions about
(00:23):
turkeys and sides and all kinds of stuff. Oh, all
kinds of stuff in Okay, that almost worked, fair enough.
Yesterday was a big, big day in the world of
national politics and the law. It was probably going to happen.
(00:46):
The attorneys for James Comey and Letitia James had asked
that the court toss the criminal charges against them, and
that's exactly what the federal judge did. Now, it's a
little complex and it's more procedural technical than anything else.
But the argument was that the loyalist prosecutor, and that
(01:08):
it's the only way you can describe her, President Trump
brought in to bring these cases, was put into her
job unlawfully. And here is the unlawful part. And this
is where the judge ruled. There is a rule that
says when a president puts in an interim prosecutor, and
(01:28):
that word gets rid of the existing prosecutor on the case,
puts in an exit, puts in a new one only
has one hundred and twenty days. After one hundred and
twenty days, the president can no longer put the prosecutor
in place.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That immediately goes to the court.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
The court determines the prosecution and then it has to
go through the Senate and normal confirmation.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And it was past the one hundred and twenty days.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And Pam Bondi what she did is she backdated a
document saying that this prosecutor was not an interim prosecutor,
she was a special prosecutor. And the judge said, you
can't backdate this stuff. That just doesn't work. So that
(02:20):
is the legal technic technicality. Now let's talk about the
bigger picture as of this moment. What the judge did
is he dismissed it without prejudice, which means the government
can refile it. And then there's an issue with statute limitations,
and that is a technical issue too. There's a statue
run because Komi was indicted three days before the statute ended,
(02:45):
and the administration is saying, well, it told everything this dismissal,
and therefore the statute has six months to run, which
is what the law says. With Comy and Letitia are
saying this case and the judge used the word ab initio,
(03:05):
which means from the beginning, this thing sucked and was
not valid. So there is an argument, and then the
politics of this. The prosecutor, the original prosecutor, Cybert, who
is the US attorney within the Eastern District of Virginia
who filed this case, said there ain't enough evidence here.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
He was tossed. And Trump brings in.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
His personal lawyer, who was his personal lawyer and gives
her the job of US attorney. And she does not
have thirty seconds of prosecutorial experience, has never tried a
case in her life, and of course the Press secretary
(03:54):
of Donald Trump said she is qualified. You don't really
need proscriptorial experience. Any lawyer will do as long as
it is someone who is loyal to the president. And
so this thing becomes a political mess. See also, the
other argument is going to be that this is clearly
(04:15):
a political move. It is prosecutorial misconduct the Justice Department.
This cannot go forward because it is just Donald Trump
ordering the Justice Department to move forward and using the
Justice Department as a political foil to attack his perceived enemies.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That is the reason you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A president cannot use the Justice Department to attack political enemies.
It just isn't allowed. So this goes on and on.
So now the Justice Department has two ways to go.
Number one, appealing this decision and I'll go up to
the Supreme Court. They can go directly to the Supreme
Court actually or refiling the case.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
They can't do both. They have to do one or
the other.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
My guess is they're going to refile the case, and
my guess is they're going to be bringing in a
prosecutor that actually has experience, a season prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, what she.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Did is just completely just doesn't know what she's talking about.
And we're talking about what's her name. The attorney Halligan
went in front of the judge and the judge said
you and the argument was you didn't even show the
grand jury the entire indictment, which the law forces you
(05:43):
to do. Her answer was brilliant, I thought.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And the judge nailed her for that.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's this thing is a political mess, and this is
the president using the Justice Department to go after enemies,
perceived enemies. We just talked about the James Comey and
Leticia James case that was tossed by the federal judge.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
At the same time, it was announced that the Pentagon
has launched.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
An investigation into Mark Kelly after that video that he
produced with five other Democratic colleagues reminding US service members
it was their duty to disobey unlawful orders. Now a
couple of things. Are they allowed to say this? Absolutely?
(06:43):
Is this sedition as the Pentagon and the President is
portraying it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It is not. Is it political? Oh you bet it is.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It is a straight political shot at the President. So
the Pentagon launches and this investigation after receiving serious allegations
of misconduct, and they're opening up this investigation just as
to Mark Kelly, a sitting senator from Arizona. Now, why
(07:13):
not the other five? Well, because the other five aren't
under the jurisdiction of the military.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But wait, a sec. Mark Kelly is not either. Oh
yes he is.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
He is a retired captain and still receiving benefits and
can actually be recalled to active duty and can then
be court martialed for what he said. Maybe actually not
have there been retired military that have been brought back
(07:45):
and court martialed.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, but this.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Was for misconduct while they were in the military. There
has never been one where what happens as a civilian
then is prosecuted as a military member. That's for starters.
The other thing is this is a sitting senator and
that's never happened before. Now is an investigation going to
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be opened up?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Not a chance.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Is he going to be recalled for the purposes of
court martial?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Not a chance.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But the bigger picture is the president calling this sedition
and the death penalty should apply. Okay, by the way,
the law doesn't allow that. But so what I mean,
what do we care about the law? Assuming that sedition
does fly and it's the worst case, can a judge
give twenty years yes?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Does a judge give twenty years? No?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Because the argument is they weren't telling people to overthrow
the government, because that's what sedition is about. It's about
aiding and betting and trying to overthrow the government, which
happened January sixth with the attack on on the Capitol,
which of course everybody was pardoned because they were patriots.
Mark Kelly, who is saying you not only are this
(09:08):
group saying, not only do you have the right to
disobey illegal orders, you have a duty to disobey illegal orders.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Quick order about illegal orders.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And that is what Caroline can Levitt said, is that
duty members have to obey what superiors say. Excuse me, okay,
And if you commit any kind of a crime, if
it's illegal, the argument is, but I was ordered to
do it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That's what she's saying.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You are ordered to do it. So let me give
you an example. Maybe it's a little hyperbolic, and it is.
What if the president has declared that a demonstration is
a national emergency and it's a rebellion against the United States,
and the Pentagon orders the military to shoot unarmed civilians
(10:04):
with their hands in the air.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And they're to be shot. That's the order.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Service people are not allowed to do that. It is unlawful.
And if someone does do that, they are criminally liable.
You know why, following orders is not a defense. That's
the Nuremberg defense. These are what the Nazi said after
World War Two. I was just following orders. Therefore I
(10:32):
am not liable. It's my superiors are libel. So the
Nuremberg defense would never fly. Here, and an order that
is clearly illegal must not be followed. Now, they didn't
say what order. By the way, you can say that
this is First Amendment stuff. You're allowed to say orders.
You're basically you're quoting military code. It's right there. And
(10:56):
of course any statement saying that you are to disregard
orders from your superiors in.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The Pentagon I have to be ignored.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And of course, what is the administration gonna do, because
what pete what the president tells Pete, Pete Hegseth to do,
Pete Hegseth does. And you know, even it's completely ridiculous
because they're talking about bringing him back. That's Kelly, and
they're talking about uh, then he's active duty again, and
(11:30):
then he gets court martialed for what he did. It's
never happened before. He's a private citizen. And he quoted
what military law is. But that is insubordination, that is sedition.
That is a crime, and it's the overthrowing of the government,
(11:51):
by the way, nothing specific, nothing specific at all. It's
he's an enemy. Therefore, let's go after him in any
way we can. And the easiest way we can is
to open up an investigation and somehow somewhere figure out
a way to bring him back, which they can do,
(12:13):
and then we'll current court martial him for something he
said outside of the military. As a civilian, I'd love
to see that case. Is it going to happen? Of
course not, It will never happen. Can you imagine what
would happen if that were the case? This thing would
blow up to the point where I don't know what
the administration could possibly say. But then again, some crazy
(12:39):
stuff is going against this interm against people with this
some this administration, some weird, weird stuff is going down.
The bottom line is that the president, the administration wants absolute,
undying loyalty. That's it. It's that simple. There's the line.
You are loyal, you get and get away with anything.
(12:59):
You can attack the capital, you can defraud the government,
you can defraud investors to the tune of hundreds of
millions of dollars. It's okay as long as you are loyal.
If you are not loyal, if for example, you are
accused of on an application putting down that you live
in one place and not the other, that should be
(13:22):
prosecuted and charged to the fullest extent of the law.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Felony.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Let's put her in jail for as long as possible.
That's actually happening. By the way, you know I'm telling you.
I know I'm biased on this stuff, and you know
I'm biased completely, But tell me that's not true. Tell
me that loyalists are not being rewarded and people that
are against the administration are not being punished. All right,
(13:50):
this Thanksgiving Day after tomorrow, this is when people forget
their problems. This is when you set aside what's going
on in the world and you're with family. Well, let
me tell you what's probably going to happen. And I
want to bring this to the table too. Let's start
with the wholesale cost of turkey last week abuck sixty
(14:11):
six a pound. That's up seventy percent from ninety eight
cents a pound at this time last year. The Index
of Consumer Sentiment, it's a survey maintained by the University
of Michigan since nineteen fifty eight, is the lowest it's
been in forty years, lower than the worst days of COVID,
lower than the financial crisis of two thousand and eight,
(14:34):
lower than the wake of the eight nineteen eighty seven
stock market crash anxiety.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's all over this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Forty million Americans are facing uncertainty as their SNAP benefits
were suspended.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That was a problem that was during the government.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Shutdownption the disruption of the air traffic controllers because of
the shutdown. Holiday travel, Well, they're still talking about holiday
travel and worrying about it because of the weather on
this one does mean you don't worry about it. Hundreds
of thousands of federal employees missed their paychecks. They just
(15:13):
didn't get paid. And then how about these surprise immigration
and custom enforcement raids, which is pissing off a lot
of people. And if you know any Hispanic person out there,
you know that they're running really scared on again, off
again tariffs AI that is scaring a whole lot of people. Now,
(15:37):
is it as bad as the granddaddy of all anxieties
which we suffer from when I was a kid, nuclear annihilation?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
We're worse off than that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Our confidence in the world is worse off than we
were thinking about getting the world blown into little pieces.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I forget.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You've got Washington and Moscow talking about resuming nuclear testing.
Todd coushten. Interesting word that has been developed here that
he coined. He's a psychologist and the founder of the
Well Being Laboratory at George Mason University. I have no
idea what the hell that is? Go figure, and he
used the word loomingness, fear that a threat is getting
(16:26):
closer or moving faster than desired. And you have no
idea how bad this thing is going to get. Those
of you in the computer world, especially in the areas
where AI can affect you, you've got some problems. Now,
(16:48):
rarefied air. If you're at the top of the heap,
you're gonna do fine. If you're up there making four
hundred grand year and you're running entire divisions and you're
running cybersecurity divisions for a company, you're probably we're going
to do okay.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
How about entry level done? AI is doing all of it.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
If you're a new attorney, you got some big problems
because AI can do all the research for you.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
AI can write briefs. Now.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
On the one hand, financial markets are at just at
an all time high.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm looking at where the stock market is. It's never
been higher day to day.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But for every news story about these valuations of Nvidia
and open AI, there's another story about the AI bubble.
That's the other thing we're possibly looking at because when
this thing explodes, and it has to because what goes up,
while in this case, what goes up goes up and
keeps on going up wrong. And the argument is this
the AI movement and the cost of what it takes
(17:49):
to put in place these AI centers and these data centers.
A lot of economists saying they will never be able
to pay paid back, never and the numbers are just
not the same. So on average, Americans think there's a
twenty three percent chance they're gonna lose their jobs in
(18:10):
the next five years, which is, by the way, pretty
I think that's a low figure, and that's as high
as that number has ever ever been.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Have a happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy it with your family.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Because it'll probably be the last Thanksgiving that you'll ever
have because coming next Thanksgiving, you're gonna by then you're
gonna blow your brains out and you won't be enjoying
it as much.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So in enjoy, enjoy.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay, day after tomorrow it is Thanksgiving, and Neil is
here and will be filling in for me both Thursday
and Friday, which he does, and the rest of the
crew most will be here because that's they are, that's
where they are on the food chain here on KFI.
(19:04):
It's always wonderful and don't forget coming up at well,
coming December second is a pastathon where we're gonna be
at the Anaheim White House giving Tuesday, and we'll be
broadcasting all day, starting at five am with wake up
call right through eight pm with Conway. And if you
come in the morning and join us for this show,
(19:27):
it'll be real jew bagels and pastries and coffee and
it's well, you'll get the shmeror two.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh, also go to KFI AM six forty dot com
slash pastathon. We've got auction items, I mean like dozens
and dozens and some are terrific and some not so terrific,
but still auction items are so terrific.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Okay, let me get the list. Okay, let me see
what the list is, all right, okay? And what makes
you the arbiter of what is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I'm looking at I'm looking at the list, and uh,
one of them is our barbecue, you know, which is great.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Neil and I are going to host.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, actually, we're broadcasting from two to five and we
don't have the date yet a Fork Report show at
my house and we'll have chefs and pitmasters and Anaheim
White House is catering it, and you will be invited.
A top bidder will be invited to join us.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And your home is huh a sucker, You're no, it's.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Gonna be no, it's gonna be fun. And you get
a two thousand dollars set of of of knives, gourmet
knives and years of Zelman's and uh.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Here it is a shower caddy.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Okay, there you go, a Culligan two court water filter.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, not bad.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Because a okay, And all I'm saying is that, you know,
I mean some are great and some. You know, it's
just a winter bliss basket. I have no idea what
that is, but I'm sure it's phenomenal. Okay, Radiance and
renewal basket. I have no idea what that is. Oh,
(21:20):
A radiant beauty and globe basket. Yeah, okay, uh oh
dinner at the Katerina's white at the White House where
Chef Bruno is.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You're not actually gonna eat. What you're gonna do is
serve dinner to people.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And that is one of the auction items. Okay, moving
on adjustable rate rate homes. You know what, we're already basically,
let's do that tomorrow because I'm out of time. We've
been talking about our auction items. We've been talking about
the pastathon. So we always push it every year because
you know, last year we raised one point three million
(21:59):
dollars for Katarina's Club. And I've talked to people over
the years and major market radio stations, I mean big markets,
very well regarded listen to stations and they have their
pet charities. We raised eighty thousand dollars. We raised sixty
thousand dollars and I look at them, how about one
(22:22):
point three million dollars for a local station? And that's
of course helping Chef Bruno's charity, Katerina's Club feed more
than twenty five thousand meals every week. When we started,
it was two hundred people at night. It was one
thousand meals a week. Now it is twenty five thousand.
So here is what you can do. Go to KFIAM
(22:45):
six forty dot com, slash pastathon, donate money or you
can donate pasta and sauce.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's another thing we do.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Any Smart and Final store donate any amount at checkout
any Wendy's restaurant, and Neil and I were when on Saturday,
which was great fun. Donate five dollars or more and
you get a coupon book worth way more than five dollars.
And every year we do this. Now this year we
have to beat one point three million dollars. And also
(23:17):
some of the more fun ones the auction items that
we are doing. I think it's a Dodger game with
Gary and Shannon, a Dodger game with Dean and Tina,
and Neil and I are doing that barbecue and that
that is up for our auction that we think is
the big one because we've never done that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So it is barbecue in my house private.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
There will only be a few people there, maybe twenty people,
and it's just family basically and friends of Lindsay's because
I have no friends. And you get to ride in
my elevator all the way to the penthouse. It's you
get to sit in my chair. And during the summer,
(24:02):
I go commando, so I'm sweating into my chair with my.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Sweaty balls and you get to actually sit there. Oh,
come on, I'm telling you. There's a lot there Oh,
and that big jar.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You have the bubblegum machine with all the lamictyl in it. O.
Lindsey is making sure we all have prosecco because that's
her thing. So we'll have prosecco, lots of it. Anaheim
Whitehouse is catering it. I mean it's going to be
a fun, fun day. So that's the number one on
our our auction item and we've never ever done that.
(24:39):
Years of Zelman's a gourmet nisaid wth two thousand bucks.
I mean it's a big deal. All Right, we're done.
KFI AM sixty.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
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