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August 21, 2024 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast for Thursday 22nd August 2024, Local Council leaders have been told by the Prime Minister to reign in their own spending before asking central government for more money. Local Business Forum Chair Matt Cowley speaks to Ryan about what local economies need. 

The Education Review Office has found Kiwi kids are not starting school with the language skills needed, saying Covid has had an impact on development. New Shoots Children's Centre Director Kelly Seaburg joins the show to give her thoughts. 

Transpower will decide today whether to allow power generation companies to use contingent lake levels to boost our power generation. Major Electricity Users Group Chair John Harbord talks to Ryan about the impact the power crisis is having on large industry. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the inside Ryan Bridge New
for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City,
New Zealand's furniture vans and a play at store.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
US Talk said, be good, ay, good morning. How are
you It is six after five. News Talks said, be
great to be with you on this Thursday morning. A
lot to get through today. Two thirds of children apparently
a starting school. This is after being at an ec
starting school. Struggling with language, as in they can't speak
as well as they should. We'll look at that before
five thirty. Big move expected this morning at eight thirty

(00:38):
from trans Power. Looks like they're going to dip into
emergency hydro water to try and to alleviate some of
the problems we're seeing. We'll tell you all about that
just before five thirty. Mitch McCann's in the USA and
strong reaction to Chris Luson's local government telling off yesterday
the agenda. It is Thursday, the twenty second of August.

(00:59):
An update on that Sicily storm and the four bodies
that have been pulled from the wreckage of the Baysian yacht.
Authorities have been using a remote operated underwater drone to
see inside the wreckage, which is about forty five meters
below the surface. Divers have also been down and say
it's not an easy task. The biggest difficulty is being
able to get into the ship.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Once inside, following the path, we can begin searching room
by room.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Two people remain missing. Residents of Russian Russia's border regions
have been asked by authorities to stop using online dating
apps and watch their social media use. This is after
concern that Ukrainian forces who are making an incursion into
those areas are using online resources to help with that incursion.

(01:45):
There's concern that the soldier's geolocation data could be revealed
and troop movements could be given away. The Ukrainian military
chief says they have made it thirty five kilometers into
Russian territory, capturing ninety three settlements. The incursion is now
into its sixteenth day. Back here, a year's long report
reveals ongoing inequities and treatment by police based on race, sexuality, gender,

(02:08):
and mental health. It recommends police urgently analyze their interactions
with diverse communities. Aut Law professor Carlei Quince says frontline
off officers were actively engaged with the research.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
They've been able to provide us with insights from the
frontline and also test the recommendations as the workers progress.
That is a globally significant model that many other agencies
could learn from.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Bryan Bridge New for twenty twenty four on early edition
with Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and a Playing
Store News Talk Ziby.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I should point out, just with that research that was
done into police that the director of that research, Catherine Lennard,
has said it was such a small sample size that
findings cannot be used to make generalization. So, in other words,
you can't take just the word of you know, one
or two or a small group of people who were

(03:01):
arrested for particular crimes as gospel and make generalizations about
the whole police force and say, well, therefore all police
officers are racist. They said that there were some patterns
based on offenders saying they felt that they were unfairly treated.
I'm not saying there's not racism within the police, or
systemic racism, institutional racism, etc. Just that the research is

(03:24):
quite limited and what you can say about it just
got nine minutes after five. Well, wasn't it fun watching
the DNC in Chicago yesterday because it was Obama Day yesterday,
and I think and I spoke to Leo, my producer,
on the phone yesterday afternoon, and I think he just
wanted to get off the phone. But I was just

(03:45):
saying that genuinely was one of the best personal, emotional
political speeches that I've heard in ages. And I'm not
talking about Baraque, I'm talking about Michelle. It was sharp,
it was, as I said, very personal. She talked about
her mom who had just passed, and she really had
something to get off her chest. And people responded on

(04:08):
their feet in that in that venue, in that arena yesterday.
Yes she spoke about her mom. She spoke about Hope
making a comeback.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
He listen, it's up to us to remember what Kamala's
mother told her. Don't just sit around and complain.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Do something.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
So if they lie about her, and they will, we've
got to do something. If we see a bad pole,
and we will, we got to put down that phone
and do something. If we start feeling tired, if we
start feeling that dread creeping back in, we got to
pick ourselves up, throw water on our face.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
And what.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
She's pretty good. She was pretty good. You don't have
to agree with what she's saying or anything like that.
I'm just saying from a from an oratory point of view,
from a you know, balm storming, get them chanting, get
them excited. It was pretty good. Eleven minutes after five,
News Talks ab actually just very quickly. Harris has raised
four times as much as Trump in July, two hundred

(05:10):
million dollars she has raked in versus his forty eight
million dollars. Today Tim Walls takes the stage and you
can expect a tax from Trump's team on his liberal
voting record. They say they're also going to go after
his military service, which they reckon is light about Bill
Clinton there today as well.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
The first Word on the News of the Day early
edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture
Beds and a play at store News Talk Zidy.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Thirteen after five. Just a quick update from the US
on the job stata we spoke about earlier in the week.
It's worse than we had originally thought for much of
the past year. Apparently they've revised the stats and there
were eight hundred thousand fewer jobs than estimated in March alone.
It's not a major They reckon the Federal Reserve, boss though,

(05:56):
Jerome Powell is going to give a speech on Friday.
They have this thing in the Rocky Mountains at Jackson Hole.
This is the Federal Reserve where they get all the
central bankers together. It's like Davos for central bankers. Anyway,
they're all gathering on Friday. So no doubt these revised
numbers will inform the decision on whether they cut rates.
Ban Bridge just gone fourteen after five. The Education Review

(06:19):
Office has found that too many kids are starting school
without the language skills that they need and remember, before
you read or write, you speak. Nearly two thirds of
teachers in ecees and new entrant classes say COVID is
to blame. Meanwhile, RO found half of parents don't get
updates on where their kid is at with language development.
Kelly Seaberg is with New Shoots Children's Center. She's the

(06:41):
director there and she's with us this morning. Hi Kelly, morning, Ryan,
how are you really good? Thank you? Thanks for being
with me. Is this what you're seeing that kids are
increasingly struggling with the language part thanks to COVID.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
That's a little bit I mean, I think what's interesting
is the report does confirm that eighty percent of children
are doing well, but there are twenty percent of children
who are struggling with oral language. And I think we
can say over time, you know, since COVID nineteen, we
have seen the impact on oral language development. I think
with sometimes the use of screens, which a lot of

(07:17):
us had to use, a lot of people needed to use,
over that time, we do see that there does seem
to have been a bit of an impact. And that
is why ECE has a really strong place to play
in and parents, you know, it really is around as
us working together to ensure children's oral language has improved.
Because what we know is that oral language at two

(07:38):
is a strong predictor of their literacy and umracy achievement
at twelve. So it's really really critical totally.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's literally the well not quite literally, but it's the
learning to crawl before you can walk, right. Is it
when the kids were in lockdown? Is it the fact
they were on screens or is it the fact that
they weren't talking to their buddies at the ECE centers.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
That's right, it's all of that together. So I mean
it's you know, they were more isolated from each other.
Parents are probably trying to work from home. So all
of that engagement and that interaction and that we have
when we're talking with our teachers and with our peers
that definitely reduced significantly. And so you know, this is
the issues that we had with the ongoing impact from

(08:22):
COVID nineteen. But what is I think what's important is
we've got some really great tools and I think having
a focus on it just means that we can really
hone in on this area because it's really deserving of
our attention given the impact that we know it has
long term.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Why are parents being updated on where their kids are at?

Speaker 7 (08:40):
I think we haven't had. What happens in early childhood
services is that we have most services report using these
learning stories and it's a really great way of capturing
the filsomeness of a child and looking at their development
against what we call Tafartakey, which is our New Zealand
curriculum for early childhood. And in that teachers will read,

(09:01):
you know, the language that children are learning. So whether
or not the parents are seeing that being reported to
learning stories may be different.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Sorry, vector Kelly what's learning story? Is that like an
app you use or something to update.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
No, it's a way it's it's so parents will be
familiar with it is a story about their child. So
it's a nice way of saying the way a teacher
is writing up about that child's learning development, what this
seeings they're observing a child, for example, and how the
learning is coming through their play. So it is a
teacher's re.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Is it where they said, Johnny likes playing with Sarah
and Tom and but maybe is struggling to speak properly?
Or is it that specific?

Speaker 7 (09:47):
It can be it can be really looking at hey,
looks you're seeing a child interacting so with blocks, and
they're saying what is actually going on here? And they're
showing actually the child's developments through Look at how they're
actually using their different pieces together and that's actually maths
as well as building construction. But at the same time
they're interacting with their friends and we look at the
language development. Look how they would negotio getting how to

(10:08):
build that power. So that's how it's really trying to
show parents the learning that's going through play.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, do you think that's that's good? And I mean
I'm I would probably be confused as a parent. I
would think about where my kid was that if it
was through a learning story.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
Yeah, And I think there are some areas that can
be improved and some ways in which it makes it
more explicit for pearance. And I think that's a real
area for early childhood where we can look at how
can we make this more accessible for parents. So what's
really great is over the last couple of years, the
Ministry of Education has been working on a framework and

(10:46):
its court FETYSUCCUPY and part of that has been we've
had the social and emotional strand and I understand the
Minister is going to have some announcements shortly because they've
been working on the literacy which is or language as
well and numeracy streams for the last couple.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Of years, right, So there's a lot of work to
be done in the space to try and improve that reporting.
And it sounds like Kelly, you're up to the challenge,
which is good. Kelly c Berg with us the director
of News shoots Children Center just gone nineteen AUF to five.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Get ahead of the headlines. Ryan Bridge You for twenty
twenty four on Early Edition with Smith City, New Zealand's
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Speaker 2 (11:24):
Zi'd be twenty one after five, Welcome to your Thursday morning.
At least two hundred and thirty jobs are on the
line in one region our Kei Wei exporters competitiveness is
under threat and the cost of lots of stuff that
we buy and sell will have to go up. Why
all because of our power shortage. Fletcher Building yesterday the
latest company admitting its power bill is up three million

(11:46):
dollars a month in just the last few years. Big manufacturers,
several of them now are either pausing or shutting operations altogether.
But today Transpower, in just the next few hours, is
going to make a big call, excuse me, on whether
generators can dip into what is essentially emergency water from
hydro lakes to try and fight back against this shortage.

(12:07):
John Harvard is with the Major Electricity Users GROUPIE is
to share their John, good morning, Good morning. Do you
think Transpower will do this today?

Speaker 8 (12:18):
Look, I'd be surprised if they don't. As you said,
we have this water set aside for emergencies, and I
don't think there's any doubt that the crisis we're in
with large employees, shutting down operations and hundreds of people
losing their jobs. As anything but a critical issue for
our communities.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
How haven't we pulled this lever already? I'm surprised to
hear there is water that we could take.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Well. I mean, we do keep it in reserve for emergencies,
but I do think there is a very legitimate question
around why have we not acted sooner? Why have we
not put in place sort of as a program of
conservation to just make sure people are using the electricity
they need, but that they're not necessarily using electricity that
they could do without, just to help us through this period.

(13:01):
Because if transpower does tap into the sort of emergency reserve,
it's important to realize that this is not going to
solve the problem. It's going to provide a bit of
temporary relief, but the issues are still going to be there.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Some lakes have already reached their resource consent limits. Should
we give them a pass to go lower? And what
does it actually what does it do? What is the
implication of going lower?

Speaker 8 (13:26):
Look, the question about how sort of deep into the
hydro lakes we go is a very technical one, So
I don't think I'd get into that, but I think
the critical, a critical issue for us to remember is
that unless we get a lot of rain between now
and the end of this year, then potentially we're setting
our salves up for or we're going to experience the

(13:47):
same situation wherein now will experience next year because the
lakes will still be a bit too low next year
and we're unlikely to find a lot of gas in
the next sort of six to twelve months to sort
of bridge the energy that we don't have.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Give us a sense, John, how critical is this morning's
decision from Transpower.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
Look, I think it's really important, and it sits alongside
the decision of Method X to cease their production to
free up the electricity that they use and to provide
the gas that they normally use to actually help us
with gas fired generation. And it also sits alongside the
very significant reductions in production at the t y point

(14:30):
and your midium smelter. So I think the three things
need to be seen together because they all free up
electricity for other people to use or help provide generation
for other people to use, but they are all sort
of short term fixes to get us through sort of
the next few months, and they're all very important, but
they don't solve the underlying issue or problem that we have.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
John, thanks so much for your chime this morning. John Harbor,
the Major Electricity Users Group chair, and just repeating that
at eight thirty this morning, the Transpower told producer Leo
yesterday they will announce their decision on whether they can
tap into those emergency reserves and our hydro lakes to
try and alleviate some of the problems that we're seeing.
Twenty five after five the early.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
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Speaker 2 (15:16):
Talks at Me. The reactions overnight to Luckson's broadside to
the mayors and the local councils in Wellington yesterday will
be telling him, or should be telling him, that he's
pretty much on the right track. He got stuck in
over spending on dumb stuff his words, not mine, like
convention centers, at the expense of basic stuff like leaky pipes.

Speaker 9 (15:36):
I think the building that we're in today is a
classic example with pipes bursting, and quite literally this morning,
pipes bursting on the streets not far from here. And
it looks very nice and it's great and It's very
nice for US politicians to have a wonderful space to
make some great speeches in, but can anyone seriously say
that was the right financial decision.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
It was the spin doctor's wet dream yesterday was the
birth pipes outside. Contrast between all of the mayors and
the councilor is sitting in one hundred and eighty million
dollar gold Placer Convention Center while you know, ordinary Joe
and Jane, like you and me, are trudging through lakes
to reach the bus stop. It was pretty good from
a pr perspective. Not good for the Tory Finos of

(16:20):
the world. The Wellington mayor, she said overnight Luxen was
punching down on meors. The Green councilor Thomas Nash called
it monna diminishing for those gathered. Really, what about the
manna of rape payers. Who's literally whose pooh floats in
the ocean when it rains, whose streets become lakes when
a pipe bursts, and whose driveways streets are littered with potholes?

(16:45):
I mean, what about the manna of the rape payers?
Rather than just thinking about yourselves in your nice, cushy
little convention center in Wellington. Anyway, Luxon will know that,
and it's pretty much what he knew going in. This
wasn't a speech for the mayors and for the counselors,
but rather it was aimed over their heads to the

(17:06):
rate and more importantly for him, the taxpayers. Ryan Bridge,
it's gone twenty nine minutes after five o'clock. We're going
to speak to Local Government Business Forum chair Matt Cowley
just before six for his reaction to what lux And
had to say. Also, Mitch McCann is in the US.
He's a US correspondent. He'll talk about the DNC what
we can expect from today. Bill Clinton will be there

(17:28):
today as well. Do are reminding you of your daddy
in my form.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Labord or hanging out the Parson Law.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with
Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and
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Speaker 1 (18:05):
Good Mornings.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Welcome to your Thursday. It is the twenty second of August.
It is twenty four minutes away from six. If you're
just joining us, Transpower is going to make a call
in the next couple of hours about whether to dip
into emergency hydro well emergency water from our hydro lakes.
I'm sure the news team will be across that later
on in the morning for you right now. Lots of

(18:26):
feedback on early childhood education. The Education Review Office has
a report out saying that because of COVID and the lockdowns,
kids weren't talking to each other at the early childhood center,
so their language skills aren't as good. This one says
the issue with kids watching screens and not talking to
each other has continued post COVID as well because they're

(18:48):
more reliant on them, So it's not just a COVID thing.
Thank you for that, Carol says. I've been an EC
teacher for more than twenty years, and I don't think
you can blame just COVID for these language problems. It's
quite sad, actually, Carol says, at early childhood centers, because
some of them are so overcrowded, there are kids who

(19:08):
don't talk to anyone. Isn't that sad? I mean, and
all the parents are watching on them because they've got
cameras in those places. Now parents are like either at
home or at work watching their kids on these screens,
just sitting there, not talking to anyone. It's sad this
one on energy. How will all these evs be charged

(19:31):
in the green revolution given our power crunch. I'm not
hearing any answers. Interestingly, actually, I think that was from James. Interestingly.
Over in the US overnight, Ford has announced that they're
canceling their new electric suv. It's like the Ford Explorer Range,
canceling that and offering a hybrid instead, while it's demand

(19:52):
and cheap evs from China pushing the price down for them.
Just gone twenty two to six, rich Our reporters around
the country color practice in to needing for us. Come
good morning Police targeting illegal white baits.

Speaker 10 (20:05):
Morning, Ryan, Yes, the white baiting season is about to
begin here. So police conducted a bit of a surprise
joint operation on Tuesday night at the Wyo Rivermouth, popular
spot for white baters. They were looking to target any
illegal activity and the police to report that there were
no issues, but they say they hope that this continues
into the season. Police say that they'll work to continue

(20:27):
or will continue to work with the Department of Conservation
to monitor any unlawful fishing, social behavior or in peered driving.
The season, Ryan begins September first, It runs through to
the end of October. White baiting only permitted during the
hours of five till eight through the day or six
am to nine during daylight saving right weather today fired

(20:48):
at first but becoming cloudy. Chants for shower this afternoon
and sixteen today.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Thank you Claire Sheuwerod is in christ Church for US
clear crash. Each city councils approved work on streets around
the new stadium. Is this work that lucks and would
be down with?

Speaker 11 (21:02):
Well, they're still waiting on the NDTA funding for these
streets upgrades, Ryan, but councils decided they'll push ahead in
the meantime with the hopes that that money does land.
They voted yesterday to begin these upgrades on the streets
including Chewin, Barbados and Madras streets. They'll be doing things
like widening foot paths, freshening, some landscaping. They'll be improving
pedestrian crossings and access to They come after some water

(21:25):
infrastructure improvements which are being done at the moment, so
there's already loads of roadworks around there. The Mere Film
Major says doing them in succession will minimize the commuter
impact and also make sure they're ready to go on
day one, which is still expected to be April of
twenty twenty six. He says making the stadium accessible, easy
and safe will be key to cementing the city as

(21:46):
a place for big events.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think that gets the tech. That sounds pretty infrastructury
to me. Clear your weather today.

Speaker 11 (21:53):
Frosty to start clearing, to find a bit of cloud
about later. Some northerlies could be strong at times. The
highest sixteen.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Great, thank you Max and going to mix. Two bars
are closing. Where are you going to drink?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, well, luckily I didn't drink at these bars. But
two more victims of Courtney Place, sugar Woods and Rubik's
names that might not sound instantly recognizable even to Wellingtonian's.
That's because they just opened in the past year two years.
Sugar Woods is where the old East stab Establishment bar was.
Rubiks is at the old Malhouse bar side. Both have

(22:24):
the same owner, Jose Ubianga, who also owns Dakota and Residence.
He appoints to high levels of homelessness, decreasing foot traffic,
the street being in a terrible state. He also says
generally it's getting very difficult to own and run a
bar on Courtney Place. Police have been fighting his license
for residents, for example, they're trying to get these places
shut or stop them from opening in the first place.

(22:46):
A little ironic that this is our entertainment precinct. And
of course you know what certain council people will say, oh,
just wait for the Golden Mile. But Ubianga, alongside many others,
fears the disruption from that is going to end up
closing what he's got left.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
How's your weather max cloudy.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Periods with a possible shower some stronger norther east thirteen
the High Central.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Thank you, and Wendy Petris in Auckland this morning. Good morning, Bendy.
You've got an update on the Deval group.

Speaker 12 (23:12):
That's right, Yeah. The government has stepped in on the
Auckland department developer do Vowel Group placing in statutory management.
It follows do Vowel Capital Partners and related companies being
placed into interim receivership by the High Court. The change
means one team of people will now handle the processes,
rather than multiple insolvencies unfolding at once. Commerce and Consumer

(23:32):
Affairs Minister Andrew Bailey says it's a large and complex situation,
so urgent action was needed to prevent broader harm. But
one hundred and twenty investors have put money into the entities.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Goodness May. How's the weather today, Wendy, Well.

Speaker 12 (23:45):
That's looking all right actually fine day, cloud increasing this afternoon,
light winds and sixteen degrees. Do you feel like spring's
coming or something?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
It does feel a lot like that. You're warming up, Wendy,
thank you. Eighteen minutes away from six Ryan Bridge and
motels issue huge issue, obviously, in one that worries people were.
Yesterday in the house we got more context around one
of the main lines of attack that's been leveled at
Tama Pawtucker, who's the Social Housing minister. So they've managed
to reduce the number of kids living in motels, which

(24:15):
is great news, but instead of celebrating that, they've been
criticized because they don't know where twenty percent of them
have gone. So when they move out of the motels,
most of them go to emergents, our social housing or
private landlords. But twenty percent of them we don't know
where they go. However, yesterday Tama Pawtucker revealed this.

Speaker 13 (24:34):
When we arrived in government, we found that the data
did not show where over fifty percent of people exiting
emergency housing had gone to. But as a result of
the hard working members of our team, we now know
we're nearly eighty percent of all those that exit emergency
housing go to, including the one one hundred and ten

(24:56):
children who have gone from emergency housing into warm, safe,
dry homes.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
So context matters, really, doesn't it. It doesn't sound great
that you don't know where twenty percent are going, but
it's better than not knowing where fifty percent are going.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
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Speaker 2 (25:14):
It is fourteen away from six. If you're just joining us,
welcome to early edition. I'm Rayn Bridget's Thursday, the twenty
second of August. An interesting press release from Nicole Mckee'll
get to that shortly. Right now. Mitch mccannon is in
the US, Bill Clinton, and Tim Wolls at the DNC
in Chicago today.

Speaker 14 (25:29):
Yeah, that's right, Ryan, It's going to be a big
night in Chicago for Day three of the Democratic National Convention.
Last night saw a few unexpected names during the state
role call. People on Rapper Lil John performed and the
film director Spike Lee was there as well. But last
night it was really about the speeches from Doug m Hoff,
the husband of Kamala Harris, as well as Barack and

(25:52):
Michelle Obama. Now, all of those speakers really spoke about
their own personal stories before laying and heavily to Donald Trump.
Speaking of Trump, Doug Imhoff said, of Kamala Harris, she
knows the best way to deal with the coward is
to take him head on. Michelle Obama took aim at
Donald Trump over his comments referring to black jobs in
recent weeks, saying, who's going to tell him that he's

(26:14):
currently seek the job he is currently seeking might be
one of.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Those black jobs?

Speaker 14 (26:18):
And Barack Obama described Donald Trump as a seventy eight
year old billionaire who hasn't stopped whining about his problems
since he rode down his golden escalator. But as you say, tonight,
we're going to hear from Tim Walls, Nancy Pelosi, and
the former President Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's interesting listening to Kamala Harris's husband talk about her
laugh because you know people, well, the Republicans like to
make fun of her laugh. He's saying that it's you're
not calling her a laugh but her joy. They're trying
to reframe that whole thing, aren't they.

Speaker 14 (26:48):
They've tried to reframe a lot of these criticisms people
have had of her online, particularly You'll remember the joke
about you know, she was talking about her mother and
she said something like, did you think you just fell
down from a coconut tree? And a few weeks ago
that was a mean going round online where people were
making fun of Kamala Harris. She's reframed it. She's now
giving away free coconut water at her rallies and become

(27:11):
part of her whole kind of shtick for this election.
So they're good at reframing these things. One of the
other things I've been doing is kind of thinking about
what they're going to be criticized for. And one of
the things was Doug im Hoff, her husband his previous marriage,
so that fell apart, and there were some stories that
came out about that the other week. But they had

(27:31):
kind of statements preprepared, so they know what Donald Trump
and the Republicans are going to attack them with, and
they're ready to take them on.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
A nice update. Mitch McCann our US correspondent. It is
twelve minutes away from six Bryan Bridge. Luxeon ripping the
meyors and the counselors at the Local Government conference in Wellington,
a new one yesterday saying stop wasting your money on
dumb stuff.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
I think the building that we're in today is a
classic example with pipes bursting and quite literally this morning,
pipes bursting on the streets not far from here. And
it looks very nice, and it's great, and it's very
nice for us politicians to have a wonderful space to
make some great speeches in. But can anyone seriously say
that was the right financial decision?

Speaker 12 (28:14):
In some way?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
That was lux and yesterday The conference continues today for
day two. We did actually try to get someone on
from Local Government New Zealand, but not available. I suspect
there are a few drinking poops last night and maybe
people didn't want to get up. I don't know, I'm speculating.
But luckily this morning we have Matt Cowley, who is
with the Local Government Business Forum. He's the chair. Matt,

(28:36):
Good morning, Good morning Ryan. Thank you for being with me.
I really appreciate your time. What did you make of
Luckson's comments.

Speaker 15 (28:44):
I think he's getting ahead of the announcements which will
possibly be made today around the city and regional deals,
and that it's not going to be a free lunch
for councils. The government is wanting to address some of
these big industry structure deficits, but racpayers will need a
chipping as well. And yes, so basically wanting to make

(29:08):
sure that councils are focused on some of the big
issues that they want to address.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Do you agree that they haven't been.

Speaker 15 (29:16):
Well? Evidence will prove that the infrastructure deficit has been
really big and some councils have been focusing more on
some water and core assets than others.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I think that's true, and to be fair, he
did say that too, they're not all bad. What do
you think of this idea of revenue caps on the
nice to have things.

Speaker 15 (29:39):
I think he's particularly looking towards those reflecting on the
rural communities and the farmers and those that are shifting
to maybe capital valuation and even where some councils are
even looking at capitalizing on kiwi fruit licenses so that
they can gain more revenue out of the primary sector

(30:01):
to boost into some urban areas when you're looking at
some rural areas that are actually removing their tasia roads,
putting them back into gravel because it's unaffordable. And that's
backwards in terms of comparing to some nice to have projects.
There are some projects that can stand up on their own.
But yeah, a real focus needs to go on those

(30:22):
councils to make sure they're focusing on this peak into
infrastructure deficit.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, basically the whole revenue model needs a total rethink.
And that's quite innovative one that you mentioned for rural areas,
but they need it basically just because you've got a
fifteen percent average rates increase at the moment for across
the country for anyone who's paying rates, which is really
hard to stomach. And you know, as we mentioned the

(30:48):
other week, adding to the infation problem as well has
been Matt, Thank you very much for your time. Matt
Cowley with US Local Government Business Forum chair. That Local
Government conference continues today and we had I did hear
some comment from Tory Farno, the willing to mayor, saying
that she thought he Luxan was punching down on the
mayors yesterday.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I just think they kind of they kind of needed it,
didn't they. You know, it's not personal either. It's not personal.
It's not saying that you did something wrong with you
as a as an individual, just that as a collective
perhaps they have been looking in the wrong direction. Just
gone eight minutes away from six News and Views.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
You Trust to start your day. It's early edition with
Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and
a Flying Store. Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Six minutes away from six News Talk, said b Mike
Hoskings in the studio.

Speaker 16 (31:43):
Good morning morning police commissioned this morning. Oh good, and
the big report on to all the racism that pervades
the landscape in that particular part of the world. Well,
I couldn't work out yesterday is nobody asked the question?
So so, first of all, racisms were broad based thing
to accuse somebody of. Second of all, if you had
looked at the place force in this country lately, it
is probably the most multicultural group of people I've seen

(32:05):
in a very very long period of time. Thirdly, if
you know, and we know for a fact, that Maria
disproportionately represented in statistics criminally speaking, right, So then when
they come up with the accusation that Mariya are more
likely to be charged. How do you drill down on that?
How do you come to that conclusion if the person
and the other thing we know for a fact is

(32:26):
that most people are criminals or recidibus, so in other words,
very few.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
But are they being profile? Is the reason that they're
being arrested?

Speaker 16 (32:33):
Because that's the separate part. So the separate part is
one of the claims is that Maria more likely to
be pulled over? So how did they get to that?
No one seem to ask that.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Quich you said the other day, You've never been pulled over,
I've never been looked at you. You're a white, wealthy man,
and that'll be it, won't it.

Speaker 16 (32:49):
I've driven right past them waving. But once you get
these people in the system, why are you more likely
to be charged? Surely the answer would be if you're
known to the constabulary already there before you go, there's
old Bob Bob's back, are you more likely to get charged?

Speaker 8 (33:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, so because they know you.

Speaker 16 (33:06):
At what point has the race come into it?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well? Good question. See what I'm saying that The lead
of the research said it was such a small sample size.
You shouldn't make generalizations based on an agreement. Agreement did
say that herself.

Speaker 16 (33:19):
So what are we trying to achieve here? We're trying
to go there's the police. It's good old racist police
again without asking enough questions around the specifics of how
they came to that conclusion. And is it you know,
can you stand it up as opposed to is this
a vibe? But is this a status good?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's the question. Yeah, but it's still a question worth asking,
isn't it. Don't you think it's.

Speaker 16 (33:40):
Worth asking if you can come up with an answer
that you can lock down and go, here are the stats,
here are the facts, and this is the conclusion we've
come to because of it, as opposed to tell you
what we think has happened to here anyway. That's why
that's why we've got a police commission, and that's why
it's on the program.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Brilliant all right. Have we had a little not a
scrap but debate before about which Obama was better yesterday? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (33:59):
I just the record, I was right on that. You
thought Michelle was being She was brilliant, She was brilliant,
but he was he had the edge.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
There was her line about it all black job.

Speaker 16 (34:09):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
He heard it all before from him Mike Sworthy. Next,
I'll see you tomorrow. Have a great day.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
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