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September 23, 2024 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast for Tuesday 24th of September, a jury has found Auckland eye surgeon Philip Polkinghorne not guilty of murdering his wife, Pauline Hanna. Criminal Defence Lawyer Roderick Mulgan gives his analysis. 

The Government wants public sector workers to stop working from home and return to the office. What has the impact of working from home had on central Wellington businesses? Backbenchers Pub Owner Alistair Boyce joins the show to explain. 

Kiwifruit exports have reached a new record value, hitting $3.1 billion in the year ending August. Are growers seeing the returns? Motueka grower Evan Heywood speaks to Ryan. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the inside Ryan Bridge new
for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City,
New Zealand's furniture beds and a play a store.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
News talks'd be today. Good morning, welcome, you're on news Talk,
said B Pulkinghorn. What happens if the coroner rules it
was not suicide? We look at that. Just before six,
we're live to the backbench, a pub reacting all that
we know in there now, I suppose, but they're reacting
to Nicholas edict to get civil servants back into work.
Key we fruit the cash cow, we know about gold,

(00:36):
we know about green and the new hot thing. Red
will talk about that. Plus do you have a smart car?
There's a ban of sorts expected today. I'll tell you
all about it.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It is Tuesday, the twenty fourth of September. Israel's hammering Lebanon,
killing at least two hundred and seventy four people overnight.
The Idea of says it's broadening its operation against here
Buller and his warned residents to evacuate.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
We advise civilians from Lebanese villages located in and next
to buildings and areas used both Isabella for military purpose
to immediately move out of Harm's WI.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
The Titan sub update now, Ocean Gates co founder has
given almost two hours of evidence at the US Coastguards
inquiry into last year's sub explosion. This was not.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Supposed to happen, right, This shouldn't have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
And I don't know what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
I don't know who made what decision when and based
on what information.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And honestly I don't know if any of us.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Will have renew this.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, this sounds pretty useful so far. The Tongededo Chateau
Hotel could be decommissioned. Locals aren't happy. This is because
DOC has decided not to open expressions of interest for
third party investors to take over the place. The Mayor's upset.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Everyone that's got a story about the Shadow in some
shape or form.

Speaker 7 (01:58):
It's just a life.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
People just don't want to pull things down when they
will have a future if we play it right.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Chip is having a great time in Liverpool At the
UK Labour Party conference. Chancellor Rachel Reeves was first up
to speak.

Speaker 8 (02:12):
Let me say one thing straight up, there will be
no return to austerity.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Outside people not buying it Starma, wearing his flashy clothes
and cutting winter energy payments.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
It does nothing. You doing nothing for us. It's just
taken everything's away from us. Definitely disappointed. Yeah, he just
doesn't considered what he's doing at all.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
And finally, in the agenda this morning in Denver, this
is in the United States, there is a plan to
give up to one thousand dollars per month to homeless people,
not all of them.

Speaker 9 (02:48):
The Denver City Council is saying they only want their
money to go to women and transgender and gender non
conforming homeless people.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
No, Matt.

Speaker 10 (03:00):
Okay, what is.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture
beds and a playing store news talks.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Be I don't really find that follow the logic. They
are about three times as many men homeless in this
particular area, apparently compared to women. Anyway, what do we
think of Nikola willis going hard on the working from
homers the civil servants. Nine two nine two is the
number to text. I see already the unions have come
out and the unions are saying this is a quote

(03:35):
from one of the unionists on the radio yesterday. The
issue here is it's not the working from home. They say,
it's that the government doesn't care about Wellington and the economy.
If they did, they wouldn't have cut thousands of hard
working public servants jobs. I think we're at six thousand
jobs and counting. It's a total distraction. Really, are you

(03:56):
kidding me? So if six thousand people go to work
don't produce anything, we just keep paying them because why communism?
You know? Anyway, I think it's a good thing. I
think it's about time they did this. I know people
who work in Wellington and they do work. They do
have Monday and Friday off, you know, they do do
some work. The other thing here is the family issue.

(04:20):
You might have seen this in the press conference yesterday.
They keep saying if you've got children, then you should
have some somehow you should be exempt, or you should
have special rules and regulations. How do we feel about that?
Nine two nine two. I mean, what if you're a
single person with a dog, Not that I'm speaking of
anyone in particular, but why should you Why should you
not be afforded the same flexibility just because you don't

(04:42):
have children? Some people can't have children, for goodness sakes,
How fair is that? Nine two nine two the n
I'm just text eleven minutes after five, just staying in
the States very quickly for a second, because the other
day I was driving my car and there's a spot
up by K Road in Central Auckland, which is quite
busy because they've put cycle lanes and bus lanes. Anyway,
there are beggars always on this intersection. There's a petrol

(05:04):
station on the corner. You'll know the one I'm talking
about if you're familiar, and you'll have these all over
the country. Should you give money to the beggars? I
always look in my review mirror at people doing it
because I don't do it. I think it's dangerous to
do it. There. It's a busy arterial route. You know,
they're walking in the middle of the road. Some of

(05:25):
them even whack your window, and I just think, don't
do it. It's dangerous and it's not helping them, is it.
Nine two ninety two. Would like to know what you
think about that. Anyway down the road from Denver, this
is in Colorado County. They have nearly eradicated their homeless problem.
Apparently putting messages out and notices up saying handouts don't help.

(05:47):
There are seventy signs with the message at intersections across
the county. Apparently it's having some success. Twelve minutes after five.

Speaker 10 (05:55):
Ryan Bridge Lots more to come here on early edition,
including our Kiwi fruit growers who seem to be just.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
The cash cows of one and not to Eca in particular.
We'll talk to them in the next half hour. Also,
if you have a smart car, I'll tell you why
a ban from the White House might be affecting all
of us in the years to come.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with
Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and
a flying Store Youth Talk.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Said be fourteen after five Tuesday morning. Good to have
your company. The Sydney Morning Herald has a poll out
to voters apparently turning on labor and turning on elbow.
In the Big States New South Wales and Victoria. The
election over there member is duly September next year, but
he could call it any time between now and then.
The trend has cut the government's primary vote to twenty

(06:56):
nine percent in New South Wales and just thirty percent
in Victoria. That is below the results that got at
the last election nationally. If you're interested, Dustn't and Elbow
are neck and neck and there are loads of undecided.
It's about thirty percent undercided between the two of them.
At the moment. Labor could still lead a minority government
there because you've got your independence and you've got your Greens,
who obviously swing left. But this will put the woolies up.

(07:19):
Labor and Donnad de Mayo, our Australia correspondent, is with
us at quarter two Bridge. Get back to work. That's
the message from the government to civil servants and affairs
of productivity loss skiving off and CBD cafes and restaurants
going to the wall. Lots of your texts on this
first though, Alistair Boyce, Oh sorry, here's Nichola Willis.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Choosing not to come to your physical place of work
does have an impact on your team and your wider community.
If it's possible for you to work in the office.

Speaker 7 (07:49):
You should.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Alistair Boyce is the back backbencher pub owner and he's
with us this morning. Good morning, Alistair, good day, Ryan.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Good to hear from you. Again.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, good to have you on the show. Tell me
will this make a difference.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Oh? Absolutely, We've really been missing our key clients from
the public sector. But we're fully with Nikola Willis and
what she's saying, and we also agree with it. It's
about the outcomes of the public sector. It's not all
about getting Wellington moving again, because then some other real

(08:22):
vicious problems going on in the Wellington microeconomy. Absolutely apart
from the civil servants with the work from home saga.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
What do you think and we'll get to those in
a sect, But what do you think is been more
damaging the civil service cuts from national or the work
from home policy that's been lingering since COVID.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Our work from home without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
And what are the other issues you're talking about in Wellington?

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Well these are more related to our dysfunctional city council
where they destroy our businesses. And as you know, most
small businesses do try and get locations on arterial routes
and busy put traffic streets. But what they've done with
all these streets has ripped them up, put in cycleways

(09:14):
and cut us off from our customers. And the next
one they're planning to do it all the way on
Courtney Place, which will cut out cars as well. The
other thing they've cut out is a huge amount of
car parks, and they've done roadworks on theorial routes and
forming Keys to Classic which will be going on for

(09:34):
some years. And they'd already done at a key and
that those roadworks talk about eight months. Multiple problem.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
How much have your rates gone up?

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Oh, that's the other thing. The disposable income of Wellington
citizens and residents is now coming to an all time low.
So most of us have endured over twenty percent increase
in rates this year. The long term plan is patently ridiculous.
It's got over ten percent, over fifteen percent and increases

(10:07):
despite the Maya telling us that decreases an increases planned
for ten years is never going to be a decrease.
And what this does kills the wider economy so that
they don't have the disposable income for the hospitality and
retail centers, and they don't come into town because they
have access and parking issues.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, and I won't ask you the question, Alistair, but
I would hate to think. I would hate to imagine
what the combination of all of these things is doing
to business the value of a business in Wellington right
now as well. Thank you very much for your time
this morning. Appreciate you burning up earlier with me Alistair
Boyce backbench of pub owner. Lots of texts on this
will get to them shortly. Nineteen after five.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
News and Views you trust has done your day is
early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture,
beds and a playing store. News Talk said be.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Twenty one after five. Paul says Ryan working from home
is a privilege, not a right, and a number of
young people think that it is a right and that
they are God's gift to the workforce. They need to
be put into line. A lot of support for Nicola
willis this morning. Carew We fruit exports from New Zealand
reached an all time high three point one billion dollars
for the year in in August this year. That's up

(11:20):
five hundred and twenty one million dollars or twenty percent.
Gold care We fruit made the biggest contribution exports, valued
at two point four billion, a twenty four percent increase.
Evan Hayward is the Motsueka Kiwi fruit and apple grower
he's with me live this morning. Good day Evan, morning Ryan,
thanks for being with me. So what's going good for you?

Speaker 7 (11:40):
Like you said, the gold key fruit is going well
on the back of a couple of good years now
and volumes and quality have been outstanding.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
So we do in China is where we send our
gold buy and large. Isn't it.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
All over the world?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Ryan?

Speaker 7 (11:55):
By your China's probably the biggest market and also won
of the highest markets.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
What's the deal with red? What are you doing there?

Speaker 7 (12:04):
Yeah, we've got three hectares of red in the ground.
We'll have our first commercial crop next year. So it's
early days, but the market is definitely keen on the
red flesh q through variety. So it's early days, but
demands there and we just need to learn how to
grow this properly. And yeah, I think there's a good,

(12:26):
good potential in future for a red flesh variety in
the market.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I haven't tried it. Does it taste any different? What
does it taste like?

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Yeah, it's got some some tropical flavors and it is
quite different from you know, the green and red, green
and gold that most people are used to.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Is that a higher value the red?

Speaker 7 (12:44):
Yes? It is, but bear in mind the volumes are
very small, so there's probably some scarcity value built into
that price at the moment.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
How hard is it to grow? I guess you're finding out.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Yes we are, but early indications that is a little
bit more difficult to grow in both the green and
the gold. This particular variety ruby read is a little
bit smaller and it can blemish quite quite easily from
one damage and one thing and another. So yeah, it's
got some agronomical issues there, agronomy issues there that Gruys

(13:23):
will need to learn and get better at.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm looking forward to trying it. Evan. Great to have
some good news from our heavy fruit industry. Really appreciate
you being on the show. Evan Hayward, Cavy fruit and
apple grower in Motueka and co owner of the Hayward
Orchard for those who are interested, just gone twenty four
minutes after five. It does sound quite nice, doesn't it.
A ruby red Kiwi fruit. Twenty four minutes after five.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
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Speaker 2 (13:55):
This is a travel advisory for the city of Wellington.
Do not travel to New Zealand's capital environment considered dangerous.
Basic necessities like flat whites and pints very difficult to find.
Government ordered crackdown on civil servants currently in action, a
warning other civil servants maybe hiding inside their homes and

(14:15):
not immediately visible on city streets. Risk of political turmoil
and unrest is extreme. Infrastructure in a perilous state. Access
to fresh water quite limited, burst water in sewage pipes
scattered across the city. Check for feces before you go
swimming in the harbour. Please waters freezing, to watch that
in case of an emergency. Car parks difficult to find.

(14:39):
Cycle ways are plenty, but treacherous weather and wind conditions
make use incredibly difficult. City in a state of utter
chaos with little to no control by Lord Mayor Tory Farno.
Specific populations asked to avoid sky Stadium include the All Blacks.
They've lost six tests in a row at the venue.

(15:00):
Answer further losses highly likely If all Black's unsure which
venue there's Spilleton refers to please look for the urine
yellow colored seating. They call it the cake tin. If
travel is absolutely essential, please exercise extreme caution. Take your
own water coffee alcohol, lunch, body armor, a pen and

(15:20):
paper and a calculator and chat GPT to help decode
the mayor's mixed messaging. Dress for disappointment, pack for evacuation.
And if somebody tries to sell you a cheap car,
run Cryan Bridge. I should point out that most of

(15:43):
my family lives in Wellington. It's not that red. Twenty
eight minutes after five lots more to come here on
early edition. Donald Tomato out of Australia, and we're going
to speak to a criminal defense lawyer because the POLKINGHRN
case now goes to a seigner. What happens if a
coroner decides it wasn't suicide? We will ask that question.

(16:05):
Just before six o'clock this morning, loads of support for
Nichola Willis and telling the public servants to get into
work and get out of home. Good work, Nicola, not
before time, Ryan, the four day weekend needs to end.
They're on the public purse for goodness sakes. It's lots
of debate actually about whether parents, people who've got children

(16:27):
should be given more flexibility than those who don't. And
I just made the point, you know what about a
single person who's got a dog for example, should they
not be given flexibility? Ryan, I agree with you. I've
got no kids and a dog. I'm completely on board
with more flexibility for people of my milk. Another says
it's because it's simple, because children are more important to

(16:50):
society than animals, which you can't argue with, really can you.
It's not like the dogs are one day going to work,
pay taxes and fund our superannuation? Are they? Twenty nine
after five News Talk sid B.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Take Maha don't backing?

Speaker 10 (17:23):
Love me too, MYO.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
This time?

Speaker 10 (17:29):
West?

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Is you right?

Speaker 11 (17:32):
There?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Are alone?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Ryan? Bridge? You for twenty twenty four on early edition
with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture bits at a playing store.
News Talk sid.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
BE, Good Morning New Zealand. It is twenty four minutes
away from Sex Year. On news Talk sid be still
the cam donnad Tomayo out of Australia. Are Australia correspondent
and I'll update you on the smart cars. Australia is
watching a potential ban from America on parts imported from China.

(18:07):
Why you should care, I'll tell you. Plus we're going
to speak to a criminal defense lawyer just before six.
This whole Polkinghorn case not guilty, Yes, now goes to
a coroner. If coroner decides not suicide, then what We'll
ask that question very quickly for you as well. The
guy accused of trying to hit Trump at the golf course,

(18:28):
he's left a note this was an assassination attempt on
Donald Trump, but I failed you. It reads. I tried
my best and gave it all the gumption I could muster.
It's up to you now to finish the job. I
will offer one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to whomever
can complete the job here. He's obviously not in a
position to pay that as even from behind bars. Also,

(18:49):
this morning interesting out of Japan. So the Japanese fighter
jets have fired warning flares at a Russian military reconnaissance plane.
It's violated its airspace. This happens from time to time.
The Russians will come in like a fly hanging around
a window and will just jump and buzz into the
airspace and buzz out again, and usually Japan does absolutely

(19:12):
nothing about it. It is significant that they have fired
flares in this instance. It's happened forty eight times before.
They have never taken that action. Of course Russia and
China cozing up in the region and just stretching their
legs over the Sea of Japan. Lots of detexts on Wellington.
It is twenty two to six rich and we're going

(19:33):
to our reporters around the country, Calum Proctors. First, you've
got the albatrosses. Albatross is coming to Dunedin.

Speaker 12 (19:40):
Yet the first the Northern Royal albatross of the season
has returned Ryan and it always sparks much excitement here
around this time of the year. It's been spotted flying
around the Peninsular Headland, so that marks the start of
the albatross breeding season. So this particular bird hatched in
nineteen ninety four, it's currently thirty years old, and she

(20:00):
successfully raised many chicks in her lifetime and so she's back.
That means the traditional bell ringing in Doneda will take
place today. That's at one o'clock. The Royal Albatross Center says.
People from all over the world in fact join in
every year, chiming bells and waving flags.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's cool, doesn't scare the birds away, obviously has the
weather for the bell ringing?

Speaker 12 (20:21):
Callum not the greatest Shewers possibly heavy through the day.
We've got a strong wind watch with westerly gails. Thirteen
is the high today?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
All right, thank you Claires and christ Church. Hey clear,
you've got young gaming minds at the forefront of your
story this morning.

Speaker 13 (20:37):
Yes, I know this seems on, but we start with
Auckland here where Auckland University of Technology researchers are looking
into this first pilot's study of the benefits and arms
of e sports in high school students. The video game
competitions have taken off globally. They're looking at christ Church
students specifically for this, which is why I'm claiming it
for this morning's cross.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
To you Ryan.

Speaker 13 (20:58):
But Associate Professor Maria Bellringer says they want to find
out why people participate in esports, what benefits they might
be getting from them, and also, of course, whether it
is causing any harm.

Speaker 14 (21:09):
She says one of.

Speaker 13 (21:10):
The concerns is that esports could lead to gaming disorders
or gambling later in life.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh all right, how's your weather?

Speaker 13 (21:19):
Early high cloud then mainly find northwesterlies turning southwest. High
of eighteen.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Thank you Max Tols and Wellington this morning. Max, how
are people reacting to the mayor sort of just you know,
being all over the place lately.

Speaker 8 (21:33):
Yeah, she sold the car to pay the bills. No
she didn't, Oh she did sort of. The airport shares
sale is not going to pass, or wait it is.
We did a whiper around of the council yesterday, critic
mayoral rival Ray Jung calling Torri Fino's TV interview terrible
and what she's saying lately is doubtful. Nicolae Young was

(21:55):
on the receiving end of ref raff criticism of her
and a few other critics on the council. She says
she might get the riff raff a phrase printed on
a T shirt as a badge of honor. Diane Calvert
says the mayor can't seem to get her story straight,
pure flip flopping, and there are clear alarm bells ringing
around her. Tim Brown, who's sided with Tory on selling

(22:15):
the airport shares, says the mayor has been confusing lately.
Other typical supporters on the council staying very quiet lately,
probably worth pointing out. Even the Spinoff, which has perhaps
been the Mayor's staunchest defender, publishing a critical column yesterday
strongly questioning her political acumen.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Wow, that is saying something, isn't it next? How's you
with it today? That's right?

Speaker 8 (22:39):
Mostly cloudy, some strong northwesterlyes eighteen the high central?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Nice one, thank you. I actually think we should kick
Wellington while they're down neither you go on, you know,
because while they're down on the ground, down and out,
take the capital off them. Why do they deserve it?
I mean they clearly can't run themselves, couldn't run a bark.

Speaker 11 (22:56):
I should go down there and be mayor you'd be great.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't want to. There's a hellhole. Oh yeah, the
wind as well.

Speaker 13 (23:02):
Yeah, kick them on they're down.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
You can on the dow, move the capitol. Don't bring
it here because we can't even you know, we can't
even sort out a new mall by an airport.

Speaker 11 (23:11):
That's we've got our own problems. Look at our pipes,
their pipes. Oh, don't get me started.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Hey what are we looking at today? Scooters?

Speaker 11 (23:17):
How about that for Auckland Council. So hopefully, fingers crossed,
it's not going to end up like the last one.
So current provider Line QI owned Flamingo. They've secured the
contracts for Auckland. This is out of a pool of
seven applicants. So obviously after a former provider Beams contract
was terminated, terminated because of you know, all the allegations
that they deployed too many scooters, which they did, and

(23:40):
so move and Chetty, he is the council Manager of
Licensing and Environmental Health. He says, look, they've learnt from
the ordeal and they've got the data and the auditing systems.
They've been strengthened so this doesn't happen again. But I
just didn't realize either too, because when the news came
out yesterday that the council's not providing e bikes they've
dumped I didn't even realize they did the e bikes

(24:02):
but low demand obviously. Okay, well have you be just
sticking with the scoots?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
That's all right? I mean people love the scooters, don't they. Yep, Hey,
unless you're walking on the footpath and then you don't
enjoy them. How's the weather today?

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Now?

Speaker 11 (24:13):
We putly cloudy, a few early morning showers, evening showers.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Eighteen is the high brilliant thank you, loads of feedback
on Wellington Ryan fifteen hundred dollars for two nights accommodation
this weekend Wellington Daylight, Robbery, Wearable Arts and Rugby will
think twice about going in the future. And another says
Ryan Wellington is dying. We had calls to be in
Wellington recently, had to park so far away from the
event venue. The road cones ripped up, the fenced off roads,

(24:37):
the broken buildings. But it was the stench, the squalor
and the mess, the buildings in disrepair, struggling to find
something open for dinner before the show. Wellington is in
demise akin to San Francisco, says suit. All right, you've
been warned.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand Business fourteen.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Away secure on News Talk ZV and we're going to
Donna de Mayo, our Australia correspondent in just a few seconds.
We'll be talking Pulkinghorn and what next. Right now, though,
Donna's with us. Donna, Australia's two big supermarkets are being
sued by the competition watchdog There what for.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yes, legal action has been taken against two major supermarkets,
Woolies and cold It's alleged there was some illusory discounting
on some common products, actually hundreds of them in fact,
So it's the allegation is the supermarkets briefly increased prices
on hundreds of products before placing them on discount or

(25:38):
on promotion. So it's been alleged to the shoppers have
been misled on items, you know, from chucky biscuits to
instant coffee, yogurt right through to tissues and throat lozenges
and pet food and the list goes on. So the
Australian Competition and Consumer Commission says the regulator will seek
significant penalties. It's taken these supermarkets to the Federal Court

(26:02):
in separate cases. I might add, now the major retailer
is allegedly profited from the sale of tens of millions
of these products that, as I mentioned, were discounted but
allegedly sold under consumer law breaches. And it looks like
that the atriple C will also seek to impose community
service orders, hopefully on woollies and coals. And what that

(26:25):
means is that these supermarkets will have to fund a
registered charity to deliver meals to Australians in need efforts
if the Atribra C is successful in its legal action.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Tell us about these Indigenous Northern Territory police officers. They've
lodged a complaint about racial discrimination.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yes, I've gone straight to the Human Rights Commission, and
the complaint has been lodged against the Northern Territory government
and the Police Commissioner on behalf of these three serving
Aboriginal police. Now, they launched the complaint alleging racial discrimination
over twenty years, alligation of racial qualification and derision and
also an unequal system of pay and promotion. So the

(27:07):
lawyer actually says that the Aboriginal community police officers have
been subject to this racism since their position was actually created,
and it's not a historical complaint by any means, but
still very much of to day. And the commissioner says
he can't comment on specifics of the case, but the
fourth is invested in cultural reforms, so let's see what

(27:29):
happens there, all right.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Donna, thanks very much for that. Donn and de Mayo
are Australia correspondent. Twelve minutes away from Sex. Ryan Bridge
not guilty. Pulkinghorn walked free from court yesterday quittitive murdering
his wife Pauline Hannah. Finally, a verdict. Roderick Mulgan is
a criminal defense lawyer. He's with US Live this morning. Roderick,
good morning, Good morning. Were you surprised at that verdict?

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Not?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Why not?

Speaker 9 (27:55):
I think many people saw that coming. The thing about
criminal justice, as we all know, is doubt. So if
the doubt, you've going to have an acquittal. And even
though many people were suspicious, did he really do it?
It's just not enough.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
It is a high bar.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
It is difficult to convict people on circumstantial evidence. And
as judges are saying the juries all the time, even
if you think it's likely somebody did that, that's not enough.
You've got to be sure, and you just can't be
sure of that evidence.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Most of the jury clearly didn't think it was suicide,
because they said as much in their question to the judge.
What happens now with the coroner? What if the coroner
rules that it's not suicide.

Speaker 9 (28:40):
The coroner has a different standard of evidence. The coroner's
inquiry is balance of probabilities, what's more likely, So it's
not a criminal inquiry, so the coroner is free come
to a different conclusion if they think the evidence merits it.

(29:06):
So you can have the jury saying, will there's some
doubt about whether it was murder, and you have the
corner saying it's likely to be murdered. And those two
things can sit side by sides because they're answering the
question to two different levels.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
What would require? What would be required for a retrial?
More evidence, new evidence.

Speaker 9 (29:32):
Were a trial as big and as complex and as
thorough as this, a new trial could only happen if
there was very, very substantial new evidence, and it just
doesn't exist because everything here is circumstantial.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Interesting, there was never.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
An eyewitness, there was never a photograph, there was never
a fingerprint. So it's not going to.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Happen to your mind, polking Horn is a free man
for good. Yes, thanks so much for your time. Roderick
Mulgan just gone nine minutes away from six y're on
News Talk CB Ryan Bridge. Now, do you have a
smart car? I was trying to work out this morning
what exactly constitutes a smart car. It's a car that's

(30:21):
Scott integrates with his smartphone, remote control, live traffic updates.
It sounds like most new cars. So Australia is monitoring.
Apparently today the White House is potentially going to ban
Chinese car software over security concerns. I worried about tracking
American drivers where are they going and potentially manipulating their

(30:44):
vehicles through the car's communication systems. Can you imagine driving
down the motorway and all of a sudden it's dodge
ems there's some guys sitting in Beijing remote controlling your car. Anyway,
That's apparently what they're worried about. So that's one to
watch for today. We imported about ten thousand evs from

(31:04):
China in twenty twenty three, so there might be a
few of them out there. It is eight minutes away
from six News Talk sedb, well, how are you go
as far.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New
Zealand's furniture beds and a flying store.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
News Talk said, be six minutes away from six News Talks,
said be So the Australians are watching the Americans who
are watching the Chinese. This is on smart cars, the
Chinese car software inside the vehicles. The Americans are worried
that they might use it one day to control the
cars as you're driving along. There might be someone in
Beijing controlling your car or to track where you are driving.

(31:48):
This is US citizens and potentially government employees, SOID security
concerns there. Mike is here in the studio. He's with you.
Next good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 14 (31:56):
You can already do that, you realize. So my car
has gotten the count and so you can hack it,
well someone could, but you can tap into your account
and you get a whole lot of stuff downloaded into
your car. So do you have a car? So every
now and again you'll get an update on your car
and your cargo. Your car is ready for an update.
Do you want to update? And you hit boom and
then it downloads a whole bunch of whatever it is.

(32:17):
So if the Chinese implanted this and this where it
all comes from, the American's paranoid of course, because they'll
GPSU and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yea.

Speaker 14 (32:24):
A guy called fairly runs Forward. He was in China
the other day and they got a couple of cars
shipped to America and they had them stripped down to
see how they build it. And they don't know how
they can build a car to compete with the Chinese,
right because of the scale.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I guess the question because it has to be it's
Chinese manufacturing that you would be worried about, right, because
then they can send the information straight back. But my
question to you is, because you're a car expert, is
is this actually about the technology or is this just
about America? It's anti China because it's manufacturing.

Speaker 14 (32:57):
There's potentially, I mean, if you don't think Taresler potentially
has the same ability with the downloadability of all the stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
That they work. But they're not Chinese, so you're not worried.

Speaker 14 (33:05):
But that's why it's That's why, that's why it's a problem. See,
I mean we're not I mean you look at all
the cars coming to this country that the Chinese v
we worried. We wouldn't have the slightest idea, but maybe
we should be, but maybe we should exactly anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Lands to the slaughter down here.

Speaker 14 (33:19):
Tuesday is Prime Minister day, so we'll cover off the
fairies and the work from home.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
And I hope he's coming into the studio.

Speaker 14 (33:26):
He's got Parliament.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It seems like he's working working from Earlington. All right,
Mike is with you next. Thank you so much for
all of your texts and your feedback this morning. I'm
sorry I didn't get to all of it. I will
see you all tomorrow. Just coming up to four minutes
to Sex News Talk said Breaking.

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