October 21, 2024 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast for Monday 22nd of October, the Government is toughening the three strikes law to catch more offenders. Criminal Defence Lawyer Roderick Mulgan speaks to Ryan about what it means.
Tama Potaka has warned the group tasked with deciding the future of Ihumatao to come up with a solution or be shown the door. Labour's Willie Jackson was the Māori Development Minister at the time the government purchased the land, joining the show to discuss.
Work has started on the Hawke's Bay Expressway, the country's first new road of national significance. The EMA's Head of Advocacy and Strategy Alan McDonald talks to Ryan about its significance.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the inside Ryan Bridge new
for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City,
New Zealand's furniture beds and a play a store us dogs.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It'd be good morning. It is six after five. It
is Tuesday. Great to have your company. The three strikes
laws getting an update. It'll catch more crooks apparently. We'll
tell you about that. Plus Ihumacho half a million dollars
on a committee going nowhere. The Australia correspondent Donna Tomoro's
with us. That senator who had a hissy fit at
Charles yesterday. What's to fall out? Plus construction on the
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first Road of Netwell. The first new road of national
significance is underway. Will tell you where and how quickly
they'll get it done. Seven after five.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It is Tuesday, the twenty second of October. The fighting continues.
Israel issuing evacuation orders for twenty two regions in Lebanon.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Targets of these attacks for branches of the Akad al
Hassan Association, a financial association, and this institution has been
under US sanction since two thousand and seven. It has
been accused by American officials of being a kova for.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hasboala, the idea of saying around sixty projectiles have entered
Israel from Lebanon. That's just in the last day. Hamas
is set to elect a new leader in March following
the death of Yaya Sinwa. Until then, it'll be run
by a five member committee. Even once they do decide
who will be the new leader of Hamas, they won't
tell you. Widespread power outages and parts of Cuba have
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entered their fourth day, prompting protests in the streets. Without electricity,
we have nothing.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
We don't have food, we don't have a way to work.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There's there a tropical storm coming to which they're worried about.
Boeing shares have risen. This as the first good bit
of Boeing news I think we've had since I've been here.
Boeing shares a prison and it's not even that good.
Risen four percent following a new contract strike workers are
set to vote on so they haven't actually voted on
it yet. Nothing has been signed, but the market's obviously
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anticipating something will happen. It contains a thirty five percent
pay increase over four years and an eleven thousand New
Zealand dollar bonus and an enhanced retirement plan for those workers.
They're about thirty three thousand of them. Eight after five.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
News and Views you trust to start your day.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New
Zealand's furniture beds and a flying store.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
News Talk ZIB.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Get a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Consultants, gravy train, you know the this is what the
government said they would stop, put a halt to. We've
got new numbers on that this morning. This is from
the Herald Slash z B. Data released by the Public
Service Commission shows spending has decreased, which is good. It's
now down to nine hundred and forty million dollars in
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the year to July. And how does that compare to
the year prior, Well it was one point twenty seven
billion dollars, so it is downslow, but still a whack
of cash, isn't it Close to a billion dollars still
being spent on consultants in the year. And if you
look at the numbers of the public service, remember David
Seymour said when we get in there, we're going to
slash the public service by fifteen percent. By you know, thousands,
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tens of thousands of people. If you actually look at
the numbers the public servant, the full time equivalence is
only down three point three percent since December twenty twenty three.
Three point three percent. It's about two thousand workers. There
are seven thousand roles that have been cut, but many
of them were vacant, so it is still a behemoth.
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About sixty three thousand public servants still working, are they
working from home? Whatever? A ten minutes after five, I
have to take you to the US because the whole
campaign is just falling in well. I mean, it's always
been a bit nuts, but it's that time of the
campaign when the candidates are tired, they're nearing the end,
(03:59):
the finish line is in sight, and they're just losing
their minds, which Trump, you know, you could argue has
done from day doc anyway. So here's the thing. He's
narrowing the polls with Karmala Harris. He's in Pennsylvania with
the swing state obviously. And the issue with Pennsylvania, this
is why you're going to hear about it over the
next twenty four hours, is that their voter registration closes
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in the next day, so you have to in order
to register the vote. You have to do that in
the next day. So everyone is there, you know, with
all the man, every man and his dog kind of
out in force. So here's what Trump has been saying
about Karmala Harris in the last twenty four hours, basically
that she's not good as vice president.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
So you have to tell Kamala Harris that you've had
enough that you just can't take it anymore. We can't
stand here, your shit vice president, the worst, the worst
vice president.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Kamala, You're fired.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Your fired, Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Fast forward to a different rally, and he's talking about
Arnold Palmer, the golfer.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
This is a guy that was old man. This man
was strong and tough, and I refused to say it,
but when.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
He took showers with the other pros they.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Came out of there they said, Oh my god, that's unbelievable.
I had to say it.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I had to say.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Arnold Palmer's daughter Peggy has said quote it was an
unfortunate way to remember my father.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Ryan Bridge.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Do you know what, It's only going to get more fun,
isn't it. A couple of weeks left It's only going
to get more interesting. Fifteen days to go. Nine nine
two is the number to text. Coming up next. The
Road of National Significance that is finally getting some attention,
the attention it deserves. We're going to talk to the
Employees and Manufacturers Association about that. Plus Ewanmato. Did you
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know we're spending half of it, have spent half a
million dollars on a committee to try and sort it
out going nowhere. We're going to talk about that at
five twenty News Talks at Ben.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Jesse The News you Need this morning and the in
depth Analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and fIF City
New Zealand's.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Furniture Beds and a Plying Store News Talks.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It'd be yesterday we were talking about Air India, just
Air India and how many hoax bomb threats they have
had come through. Now we've got stats on all the
Indian carriers. I don't know why it's India, We don't
No one actually really knows much about them at all.
There's no source to these threats yet, there's no motive
identified for these streets yet. But ninety hoax bomb threats
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have been made against Indian airlines in the past week,
Just in the past week, on Saturday, there were thirty
hoax threats reported just in the one day. And in
New Zealand had a hoax did you see that on
the weekend with a flight going that had to land
in Sydney. So the regulations apparently force the airlines to
act on every single threat. And I suppose you can
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understand that, can't you because you want you know, you don't.
I guess you don't want to take any risks and
you don't know what's true and what's a hoax or whatever.
But man, if the goal is panic and disruption, then
mission accomplished.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Ray and Bridge.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Quarter past five. Construction on the first road of national
significance is underway. Ground has been broken on the Hawk's
Bay Expressway, which is a twenty seven kilometer four lane
highway set to carry around twenty nine thousand vehicles a day.
It's hope starting work early, we'll get the job done sooner.
Alan McDonald's with the Employees and Manufacturers Association Allan, Good morning, morning, Ran,
Good to have you back on the show. This is
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quite an important route. Tell us who uses it? Why
it's important in connecting to the port there.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
Well, I think you've kind of nailed it just in
the intro. Ryan. It's important because it does link up
into the port and if you look at a number
of the roads of national significance and the number of
the ports and the fast track application process for consent,
it's showing a bit of joined up thinking where we're
improving access for freight and for people around the ports
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and those critical links into some of the more critical
economic areas of the country's growth and infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They reckon starting early will help reduce the overall construction
time and they should have it done twelve to fifteen
months sooner than planned.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Quietly confident?
Speaker 8 (08:44):
I think with all of these things that any big
piece of infrastructure, the quicker you get it going, the
less chance for big cost overruns. I think is probably
the best way to put it, because they never get cheaper,
so the longer you leave them, the more they cost.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is this something that you can say, this will reduce
the cost of goods by x, Y and z, or
this will increase efficiencies by x y Z, or is
it more the more of the stuff that we do,
the more attractive we are to businesses, The easier and
cheaper things should get well.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Look, there will be gains both ways. I mean there
will be some travel time gains and things like that.
There's only a thirdy case section of roads in twenty
nine k's so you know those gains does there, but
they're not huge in terms of efficiencies. But it's again,
it's about linking in all the various regional parts. So
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if you look around that Roads of National Significance program,
it's all designed to make connections between the economic hubs
of the country better so that you can move stuff around,
move freight between the ports, move freight through the courts,
all of those good things. That just signal that we're
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making progress on some of our infrastructure and it will
be easier and better to do business and love stuff around.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, big job at here, isn't there?
Speaker 9 (10:12):
Alan?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Thank you for that? Alan McDonald, the Employers and Manufacturers Association.
It's just gone eighteen after five Humato and the steering
committee that you didn't know about.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Next, the first word on the News of the Day
early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's
furniture beds and a playing store.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
News dogs after the News at five point thirty are
Australia correspondent Donald to Mayo and then just before six
we look at changes to the three strikes law that
the government has brought and will announce this morning. Just
after five o'clock, we will look at that just before six.
It's now twenty one after five Ryan Bridge, the Maori
Development Minister Tama Paultucker has warned the group, this is
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the group tasked with deciding the future of Ihumato, that
they could be shown the door if they can't find
a solution. The Crown bought Humato for thirty million dollars
back in twenty twenty. You remember that this is to
end the occupation over its commercial development. They wanted to
build houses there. Since then, there's been a group, and
you may not have known this, a group of Monofenua
and Crown reps who have been tasked with forming a
(11:15):
plan which must involve putting Malori harnsing on the disputed land.
It hasn't happened yet. Willie Jackson's ADM Minister, was a
Minister in charge at the time the Crown bought the land.
He's the current labor Malori Development spokespersonally. More than a
good morning in Modina Modina. Right, Hey, good to have
you on the show. So Tama Pawtuck has basically said,
if you guys can't sort your out, then I might
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step in.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Is that not fair enough?
Speaker 9 (11:40):
Well, it's been given five years, so the actual agreement
was signed off in July twenty two. That's when we
the Crown put our representatives on. So we've put two
representatives on and they were given five years. And of
course we want progress and all of that. But I mean,
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a deal is a deal, isn't it. You see this
government into breaching that anything it seems with Copropa Mali.
And yes we want things to happen, and of course
we want housing there, particularly for comart. But it's just
it's just the sort of weekly attack, isn't it all
the Ford weekly or Ford might the attack on Maori.
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If it's not if it's not this, then it's a
trial Maori. If it's not this, it's treaty legislation. If
it's not this, marse.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
H.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But how can you before how can you be four
years on from the sale, you know, thirty million dollars
in public money, have no houses, no plan and no
idea of what's going on.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Well, well, one, there is I think there is a plan.
And two, well, people can't agree on some some things.
But this this was a five year agreement with the people,
so actually they speak very clear. We didn't sign off
in terms of a deal until July twenty two, and
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the deal was a five year deal. So you know,
just because you and Tama Portucker want things to happen tomorrow,
it doesn't always happen that way. And I think there
has to be some credibility shown and Marty has to
be given the space to do the deal. That's the
that's the reality. Now we can get all tough and say,
oh you marry, he's got to get it together tomorrow.
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We all want housing, we all want the best for
the community, but let's just let's just work this through it.
But they get all they have to keep running the
anti Marti line that this government keeps running. And that's
what's incredibly disappointing. I live and not too far from
Ihu Marto, and people are sick of it. You know,
we came to a peaceful solution, but everyone will You
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will know.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Then that the co marthaer who just want to live
there in a nice house that's insulated and warm and dry,
you know, and here we are.
Speaker 9 (13:56):
Nothing's hang on, hang on right the combr to the king. Okay,
the King was facilitating this process on behalf of the
local co mar to and on behalf of everyone. And
of course that's what I want, and it's what the
local co marters want. But give them the space in
honor the agreement, That's all I'm saying. And if they don't,
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if they don't hit their deadline before the agreement finishes,
then obviously you're into something else. But don't try cup
things a quarter of the way through it. I mean,
I know that's how you operate, Ryan, and you like
ones he be. Come on, mate, give the marriage a
fair crack. Hey, give us a bit of space, you know,
deceive it opportunities I've got.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
All right, welly, thank thank you for coming on. I
appreciate it. Have a good morning. Calder Williejckxon, who's the
latter's nightly development spokesperson, twenty five after five News Talks
he'd be.
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Speaker 2 (14:51):
A B twenty seven After five News Talk said, be
a three strikes update for you this morning. Nicole mcke's
put out a statement. The government's basically lowering the threshold
you have to meet in order to be hit with
the new three strikes law. Originally, for the law to
kick in, for you to get a strike, you had
to commit a crime with a prison sentence of twenty
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four months or more, and it was the same for
each of the three strikes strike one, two, and three.
Now it's being lowered to just twelve months for the
first offense, So basically more criminals will be captured by
the first strike, and if they go on to commit
more serious crimes, it could mean they're locked up for good,
or there's an increase in their minimum sentence. It's taking
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away the power from the judges and the discretion that
they have. They say the law doesn't work, this three
strikes law, because we have had it before. It's not
proven to reduce offending or reoffending. It's not right, it
doesn't rehabilitate criminals. And yet somehow I don't mind it.
If you can't sort yourself out after warnings one and two,
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then why would you miraculously stop offending after the third warning?
You probably would, so wouldn't we all be better off
if that serious violent repeat offender was rather than living
next door to you in jail, Rayan Bridge would have
thought so. Twenty eight minutes after five, a quick update
on what's happening with the North Korean troops who were
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going to be fighting alongside the Russians. So North Korean
troops is about fifteen hundred of them, including special forces,
fighting alongside Russia against Ukraine, now South Korea. Their spy
agency has come out and said they have landed, they
are over there, and they're obviously angry with Russia because
they don't want Russia to be engaging with North Korea
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at all. And Putin and Kim have signed the security
pack back in June. So here's the thing about it.
The experts, military experts, army experts reckon, they're not going
to be any good because when was the last time
the North Korean troops were in combat. And what's more,
if you actually think about it, Korean Russian language barrier
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huge problem on the battlefield. So the experts reckon they
won't see the front line. There's fifteen hundred of them.
He'll probably be on beefed up security guards in Russia.
It is twenty nine minutes after five, News Talk said B.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Get ahead of the headlines, Ryan Bridge, you for twenty
twenty four on early edition with Smith City, New Zealand's
furniture beds and a planet store.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
News Talk said B.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Good morning New Zealand. Twenty four away from six, News
Talk said B. We're going to get to a lawyer
on the three strikes law changes. You would have heard
about them, and the News just then announced this morning.
What does it mean for those first strike offenders. We'll
get to that just before six o'clock In Australia. A
couple of things to tick off with our Australia correspondents.
The big tax on big tech is making some of
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what we're making a bit of progress, a bit of headway.
We'll find out more about that. Also this morning we've
been talking about Humato. This is the land. Remember that
the government purchased for thirty million dollars in twenty twenty
four years ago. This happened, Nothing has happened since. Nothing
of substance has happened since. And we just had Willie
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Jackson on to defend the committee that they set up.
Did you know there was a committee set up? It's
got some mon Offenera representatives, it's got Crown representatives. It's
so far cost apparently half a million dollars for this
steering committee and they've steered it nowhere. They are in
fact not in a grants on any way forward, which
is a great shame because there are some you know,
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particularly elderly members of that EWE who would like to
live there, but there's no houses to do. So this
from Peter, Good morning, Ryan, Ehu Marto helps illustrate the
futility of trying to run public affairs using divisive ethnic politics.
Nothing good ever comes of that. Policies that deliberately target
people based not on need but on skin color and
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the like always end up in the same way. That
is failure. Thanks Peter. Twenty two away from six ray Bridge,
and we're going to our reporters around the country. Callum
Proctors and Dnedan Callum, good morning morning, Ryan. Now year
two million dollars a year for a pair of long
term o target university birth cohort studies. That's right.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
This is the Daneedan Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study in
the christ Church Health and Development Study under the One Umbrella.
Now they will receive this government funding of two million
dollars per year for the next seven years. The studies
have been following thousands of babies from birth over the
last half a century. It's data featuring as far as
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a recent episode of The Kardashians, So it must be
worth it. Dunedin Study director Miaana Theodore says the fundings
for research which has proven benefits in New Zealand. She
says the data brings insights to health, the environment and
social issues.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It is always off quoted, isn't it? Do you know
anyone in it?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
My sister, isn't it?
Speaker 9 (20:22):
There you go?
Speaker 10 (20:23):
She was one of those nineteen seventy babies that have
been here followed since birth.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Fascinating, isn't it?
Speaker 8 (20:27):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
How's the weather today?
Speaker 10 (20:30):
You scattered rain for Daneda, but clearing this morning to
fine breaks this afternoon, light wines and sixteen today.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Thanks carm Claire Sherwoods and christ Church this morning. Clear
the death of real estate agent Young Faibao. The trial
now underway.
Speaker 11 (20:43):
It sure is underway, Ryan, fifteen months after Yan Feibao
went missing while she was working as a real estate
agent in the christ Church suburb of Hornby. The opening
statements from the Crown and defense have now been heard
at the High Court. Chinese national Tin Jun Chao is
being tried for her. Yesterday we heard that he's accused
of stabbing her to death. Now the Crown says Boo
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was helping this man to find a house when he
assaulted her as a hornby property which she had recommended.
It is saying there is suggestion of a sexual motive
to that incident. However, Charles defense lawyer Josh McLeod has
described the crown evidence as muddy and says he will
take the next few weeks to erode the Crown's case.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
How's your weather today? Clear?
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Cloudy, period's possible morning fog clouding over again this evening.
Northeasterlies from the afternoon at a hive of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Brilliant, thank you Maxis and Wellington Hamax. This man has
fallen into a sewage tank.
Speaker 12 (21:39):
Yeah, pretty nasty business. Friday morning we received a tip
that a man had a bit of a nasty accident
in rural or Turkey. Thankfully he was unhurt because it
could have easily ended badly. As disgusting as it sounds,
he's spoken to our newsroom now Mark Humphrey. He was
working on an orchard when the lid of a tank
he was standing on collapse aps and he fell right in.
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He managed to hang onto a shovel support himself with
his feet braced inside the tank at a certain angle
to keep his head above well certainly not water again.
He could have easily become fully submerged in the tank,
but he yelled for help. His dog started barking. Thankfully
help did come, and all in all he spent about
twenty minutes in this sewage tank. US what it was
(22:22):
like in their pretty s word, he said, basically, he's
got a bit of a cough now, a chest infection
which he reckons is due to the fumes from the waist.
He was hosed off by fire an emergency when he
came out. Incredibly, he fell in with his phone in
his pocket and it still goes. I'm not sure how
nage to clean it so thoroughly, but impressive for that
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phone company.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Thanks thangs, and I hope no one's eating breakfast yet.
It's probably default, isn't it. That's the weather today next.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
They should expect it from the Wellington Cross. Mostly fine
northerlyas nineteen in.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The city brilliant, Thank you Neivas and Auckland. Hey Neva,
good morning, good morning. Or Tomaki says, one person's come
off the roof. So is this another?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yes, these little Well what's happened is that? Yeah, you're right,
one person has come down. This is the Auckland Youth
Justice Facility called Carterway Monarchy Facility in Witty. Now, this
all happened about six forty five last night. But one
has come down at twelve others remain.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
On the roof.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Obviously they're protesting. I don't know what about, but listen
to this. So a witness at the scene says that
the group was seen tearing off roofing, removing insulation, striking
the exterior of the building by kicking it. But of
course now they're asking for demands from the staff. We
want look, I'm not lying, five big max and make
them all large combos.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And we want them.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Ciggies too, that's what they're asking for. And I don't know,
but I think I'll have to just double check. But
I think they're playing cards up there on the roof.
So this is all happening as we speak. But I
remember the last time there was that group that went
up there and they got cave.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And they got McDonald's and boot and booger key because we,
oh I aid the receipts they spend.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But I'm thinking of the twelve of them up there now.
Five big mechs make them all large combos.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You need more than that.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
You won't be sharing up there.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, and do you know what I mean? At two
schools of thought? One don't feed them and they're get
hungry and come down.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
It's right you know them up there.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
For Auckland weather, it rains so much. I wish it
was thunder and lightning and all the rain in the world.
With a No, it's not cloudy periods. It has been
quite warm. Nineteen they'll be basking in sunshine up there,
little devils.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It is seventeen away from six News Talk, sib still
to come Donald tomorrow out of Australia and a Colninel
defense lawyer on the three strikes changes and now it'ced
just this.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Morning international correspondence with ends and eye insurance Peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Fourteen away from six News Talk said be the protests
certainly got some reaction and some headlines didn't it. This
is the Australian Senator Lydia Thorpe reaction. Donna Demour Australia
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corresponds with us done, a good morning. What has the
reaction been?
Speaker 13 (25:15):
Yes, were quite a hostile reception for the Royals in
Canberra and it was just a few meters away that
the Royal couple sat through this rather intense heckling from
the Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe.
Speaker 14 (25:28):
The reaction, of course has been quite swift. We know
that the Australian MONARCHUS League wants her to step down immediately,
calling the protest a childish Then we heard from Australia's
first female Aboriginal senator nov Paris, and she's actually issued
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what some people are saying is literally an apology to
the King, saying it was a rude outburst and a
disrespectful attempt to confront ran to the King. We know
that the senator was escorted out by security. There was
even an expleteve yelled out as in fact, as Camilla
and Charles sat there. There was no reaction from the Royals.
(26:11):
Mind you, the PM also was in the room and
his fiancee and Peter Dutton. Quite a selection of politicians
of course, but we've also heard from front benches from
both sides and they're saying it was just grand standing
and it actually just failed miserably.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, lots of reaction coming from the UK as well,
and I'll get to some of that in a second,
but very quickly, Donna, there's a massive compensation bill coming
for Quantas.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Huge.
Speaker 14 (26:37):
Quantas is facing a well about one hundred million dollar
plus payout for illegal sackings.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's a hefty bill.
Speaker 14 (26:43):
For unlawfully laying off staff during the pandemic and it
impacts about seventeen hundred workers that lost their job in
twenty twenty. Now they've got to get together, the lawyers
will get together and attend a mediation to determine that
final amount payout.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
All right, Donna, thank you very much for that. That's
Dona DeMay R, Australia correspondent with US. Has just gone
twelve minutes away from six o'clock, very quickly so. Kiir
Starmer's coming to Samoa this week for Chogham, the Commonwealth
Heads of Government meeting, and he's facing lots of questions.
After that protest in Australia, people are saying, including some
of his own MPs are saying you need to apologize
(27:19):
for the slave trade. This obviously affects more Caribbean countries
Chogham countries, but also asked to apologize and pay reparations
and compensation for Britain's role in the slave trade, and
this is what kir Starmer's presect has said. Reparations are
not on the agenda for the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting.
And asked about an apology, the spokesperson said the position
(27:43):
on an apology remains the same. We won't be offering
an apology at Chogham in Samoa. It is eleven away from.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Six ran Bridge.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
The government's toughening the three Strikes Bill by lowering the
qualifying sentence threshold. What does that mean. Well, initially it
was proposing the threshold you would have to reach in
order to be considered for your first strike a sentence
of twenty four months or more. They're lowering that down
to twelve months, which means lesser crimes will get you
(28:12):
your first strike. You can then go on to get
your second and third, but would require a twenty four
month imprisonment minimum term in order to get your second
and third strike. Roderic Mulgan is a criminal defense lawyer.
He joins US Live this morning. Roderick, good morning, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 15 (28:29):
Good morning, Ryan, how.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Are you good?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Is this going to make much of a difference.
Speaker 15 (28:34):
Well, yes, it'll catch more people in the net, which
is of course what they're intending. I think, of course,
need to point out that when you refer to those sentences,
you're referring to the maximum sentence available for the crime
on the statu you're not the actual sentence. Yes, that
the person might get. Yes, so you know you might
not get twenty four months in jail. But if that's
the sentence for that crime, then you've ticked the box.
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You've got to strike.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
What types of crimes would fall under the twelve months
as opposed to the twenty four wow.
Speaker 15 (29:03):
All sorts of thefts and burgeries and assaults. It's it's
quite common that the sorts of crimes that come before
the courts I have those terms of imprisonments attached low
level in decent assaults, that sort of thing, certainly burgery,
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certainly theft, So.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Burglary and theft could get you your first strike then,
but then you would have to be really bad. To
get your second and third, you just had to be
bit with.
Speaker 15 (29:38):
In fact, those crimes would qualify under the twenty four
month mark as well.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
True. So all in all, is this going to make
New Zealand safer?
Speaker 9 (29:52):
When you see?
Speaker 15 (29:52):
That's the big question, and that's what the politicians assert
that it will. It will certainly put people in jail
for longer that that's a good thing. It's an entirely
different question. The idea that you can keep society safe
by just locking people up for very long periods of
time and forgetting me you left? The key is that
old fashioned. It has perverse effects. So for instance, if
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you're going up for a sentence and you agree to
things like undertaking rehabilitation, you get a discount, which is
a good thing. But if you have an automatic the
judge can't vary at rule that you must get the
maximum sentence, then you no longer engage in those sorts
of activities to get yourself at discount.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But if you've done strike one, strike two, strike three,
I mean, at some point isn't it more for us.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
More?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Aren't we the fools for believing it? You know that
they'll change, or that they're remorseful when it's not at all.
Speaker 15 (30:55):
Lots of people get strings of sentences over years, but
capable of changing, improving, having periods of time where they
don't offend. A finding is complicated. It's not just the
case of the bad people. People offend because they have
substance PEERCE issues, because they're low IQ, because they don't
have they're not embedded in family support networks, they lack
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life skills. It's a complicated business and you can't just
say I will lock you up for longer and you'll
learn your lesson. And the other big problem is that
you get seriously disproportionate outcomes. And there was a famous
case that came out the last time. This is on
the statute books. Grammand, who had some mental health issues,
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tried to kiss a woman on the street.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And it was completely overblowing, basically, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
And that was indecent assault.
Speaker 15 (31:51):
He got seven years because that was the third one.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Roderick, thank you very much for your time. As always,
Roderic Mulgan, who is a criminal defense lawyer. It is
seven away from six on.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with Ryan
Bridge and Smith City New Zealand's furniture beds and a
playing store.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Youth Talk said be five away from six News Talk
said be there's a group of youths who are hold
up on the top of a youth justice facility in
Auckland this morning, demanding five Big Max combos be delivered
to them. One of our listeners says, my solution for
those clowns hold up on the detention facility roof, send
one big Mac combo and televised the results way better
(32:32):
than celebrity Treasure Island. It has just gone five to six.
Mike saire, Hey, Mike, what do they want? Five big
Mac combos?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
The bigger picture? There must be something bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well, there always is.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
I holistically speaking, what are they seeking in life?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Probably some respect?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Really yeah, if they asked directly for that now.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But that's usually what it comes down to, isn't that
they don't feel that they're being respected?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
So so how would that manifest itself.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
To you got a big Mac? Give me a big Mac.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Is there something wrong with this country? I mean yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yes, there is something wrong with this There is something,
but it's not worth dwelling on because it can become
quite depressing.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That is true.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Do you I mean you must remember that. I distinctly
remember it. Ja Cinda Adern did it. It was an
intervention by her moments before she left for the Pacific, remember,
and I think it was Choggham that she was leaving for.
And she she sent dispatched Willie down south to sort
them out. And you know, this was a housing crisis
and Fletchers were busy building houses to solve our problem.
(33:35):
But no, we'll pay our thirty million dollars and will
and here we are all these years later and.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
What four years later?
Speaker 6 (33:40):
And nothing years later and literally nothing's happened, and we're
still paying for this nonsense politics over substance. Anyway, we'll
talk to the Prime Minister about this.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Another matters Mike with the next Have a great day everyone,
I'll see tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Listen live to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The issues, the interviews and the inside Ryan Bridge new
for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City,
New Zealand's furniture beds and a play a store us dogs.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It'd be good morning. It is six after five. It
is Tuesday. Great to have your company. The three strikes
laws getting an update. It'll catch more crooks apparently. We'll
tell you about that. Plus Ihumacho half a million dollars
on a committee going nowhere. The Australia correspondent Donna Tomoro's
with us. That senator who had a hissy fit at
Charles yesterday. What's to fall out? Plus construction on the
(00:37):
first Road of Netwell. The first new road of national
significance is underway. Will tell you where and how quickly
they'll get it done. Seven after five.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It is Tuesday, the twenty second of October. The fighting continues.
Israel issuing evacuation orders for twenty two regions in Lebanon.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Targets of these attacks for branches of the Akad al
Hassan Association, a financial association, and this institution has been
under US sanction since two thousand and seven. It has
been accused by American officials of being a kova for.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hasboala, the idea of saying around sixty projectiles have entered
Israel from Lebanon. That's just in the last day. Hamas
is set to elect a new leader in March following
the death of Yaya Sinwa. Until then, it'll be run
by a five member committee. Even once they do decide
who will be the new leader of Hamas, they won't
tell you. Widespread power outages and parts of Cuba have
(01:36):
entered their fourth day, prompting protests in the streets. Without electricity,
we have nothing.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
We don't have food, we don't have a way to work.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There's there a tropical storm coming to which they're worried about.
Boeing shares have risen. This as the first good bit
of Boeing news I think we've had since I've been here.
Boeing shares a prison and it's not even that good.
Risen four percent following a new contract strike workers are
set to vote on so they haven't actually voted on
it yet. Nothing has been signed, but the market's obviously
(02:06):
anticipating something will happen. It contains a thirty five percent
pay increase over four years and an eleven thousand New
Zealand dollar bonus and an enhanced retirement plan for those workers.
They're about thirty three thousand of them. Eight after five.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
News and Views you trust to start your day.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New
Zealand's furniture beds and a flying store.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
News Talk ZIB.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Get a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Consultants, gravy train, you know the this is what the
government said they would stop, put a halt to. We've
got new numbers on that this morning. This is from
the Herald Slash z B. Data released by the Public
Service Commission shows spending has decreased, which is good. It's
now down to nine hundred and forty million dollars in
(02:53):
the year to July. And how does that compare to
the year prior, Well it was one point twenty seven
billion dollars, so it is downslow, but still a whack
of cash, isn't it Close to a billion dollars still
being spent on consultants in the year. And if you
look at the numbers of the public service, remember David
Seymour said when we get in there, we're going to
slash the public service by fifteen percent. By you know, thousands,
(03:18):
tens of thousands of people. If you actually look at
the numbers the public servant, the full time equivalence is
only down three point three percent since December twenty twenty three.
Three point three percent. It's about two thousand workers. There
are seven thousand roles that have been cut, but many
of them were vacant, so it is still a behemoth.
(03:38):
About sixty three thousand public servants still working, are they
working from home? Whatever? A ten minutes after five, I
have to take you to the US because the whole
campaign is just falling in well. I mean, it's always
been a bit nuts, but it's that time of the
campaign when the candidates are tired, they're nearing the end,
(03:59):
the finish line is in sight, and they're just losing
their minds, which Trump, you know, you could argue has
done from day doc anyway. So here's the thing. He's
narrowing the polls with Karmala Harris. He's in Pennsylvania with
the swing state obviously. And the issue with Pennsylvania, this
is why you're going to hear about it over the
next twenty four hours, is that their voter registration closes
(04:23):
in the next day, so you have to in order
to register the vote. You have to do that in
the next day. So everyone is there, you know, with
all the man, every man and his dog kind of
out in force. So here's what Trump has been saying
about Karmala Harris in the last twenty four hours, basically
that she's not good as vice president.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
So you have to tell Kamala Harris that you've had
enough that you just can't take it anymore. We can't
stand here, your shit vice president, the worst, the worst
vice president.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Kamala, You're fired.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Your fired, Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Fast forward to a different rally, and he's talking about
Arnold Palmer, the golfer.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
This is a guy that was old man. This man
was strong and tough, and I refused to say it,
but when.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
He took showers with the other pros they.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Came out of there they said, Oh my god, that's unbelievable.
I had to say it.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I had to say.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Arnold Palmer's daughter Peggy has said quote it was an
unfortunate way to remember my father.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Ryan Bridge.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Do you know what, It's only going to get more fun,
isn't it. A couple of weeks left It's only going
to get more interesting. Fifteen days to go. Nine nine
two is the number to text. Coming up next. The
Road of National Significance that is finally getting some attention,
the attention it deserves. We're going to talk to the
Employees and Manufacturers Association about that. Plus Ewanmato. Did you
(06:08):
know we're spending half of it, have spent half a
million dollars on a committee to try and sort it
out going nowhere. We're going to talk about that at
five twenty News Talks at Ben.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Jesse The News you Need this morning and the in
depth Analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and fIF City
New Zealand's.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Furniture Beds and a Plying Store News Talks.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It'd be yesterday we were talking about Air India, just
Air India and how many hoax bomb threats they have
had come through. Now we've got stats on all the
Indian carriers. I don't know why it's India, We don't
No one actually really knows much about them at all.
There's no source to these threats yet, there's no motive
identified for these streets yet. But ninety hoax bomb threats
(06:54):
have been made against Indian airlines in the past week,
Just in the past week, on Saturday, there were thirty
hoax threats reported just in the one day. And in
New Zealand had a hoax did you see that on
the weekend with a flight going that had to land
in Sydney. So the regulations apparently force the airlines to
act on every single threat. And I suppose you can
(07:15):
understand that, can't you because you want you know, you don't.
I guess you don't want to take any risks and
you don't know what's true and what's a hoax or whatever.
But man, if the goal is panic and disruption, then
mission accomplished.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Ray and Bridge.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Quarter past five. Construction on the first road of national
significance is underway. Ground has been broken on the Hawk's
Bay Expressway, which is a twenty seven kilometer four lane
highway set to carry around twenty nine thousand vehicles a day.
It's hope starting work early, we'll get the job done sooner.
Alan McDonald's with the Employees and Manufacturers Association Allan, Good morning, morning, Ran,
Good to have you back on the show. This is
(07:53):
quite an important route. Tell us who uses it? Why
it's important in connecting to the port there.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
Well, I think you've kind of nailed it just in
the intro. Ryan. It's important because it does link up
into the port and if you look at a number
of the roads of national significance and the number of
the ports and the fast track application process for consent,
it's showing a bit of joined up thinking where we're
improving access for freight and for people around the ports
(08:22):
and those critical links into some of the more critical
economic areas of the country's growth and infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They reckon starting early will help reduce the overall construction
time and they should have it done twelve to fifteen
months sooner than planned.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Quietly confident?
Speaker 8 (08:44):
I think with all of these things that any big
piece of infrastructure, the quicker you get it going, the
less chance for big cost overruns. I think is probably
the best way to put it, because they never get cheaper,
so the longer you leave them, the more they cost.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Is this something that you can say, this will reduce
the cost of goods by x, Y and z, or
this will increase efficiencies by x y Z, or is
it more the more of the stuff that we do,
the more attractive we are to businesses, The easier and
cheaper things should get well.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Look, there will be gains both ways. I mean there
will be some travel time gains and things like that.
There's only a thirdy case section of roads in twenty
nine k's so you know those gains does there, but
they're not huge in terms of efficiencies. But it's again,
it's about linking in all the various regional parts. So
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if you look around that Roads of National Significance program,
it's all designed to make connections between the economic hubs
of the country better so that you can move stuff around,
move freight between the ports, move freight through the courts,
all of those good things. That just signal that we're
(10:04):
making progress on some of our infrastructure and it will
be easier and better to do business and love stuff around.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, big job at here, isn't there?
Speaker 9 (10:12):
Alan?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Thank you for that? Alan McDonald, the Employers and Manufacturers Association.
It's just gone eighteen after five Humato and the steering
committee that you didn't know about.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Next, the first word on the News of the Day
early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's
furniture beds and a playing store.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
News dogs after the News at five point thirty are
Australia correspondent Donald to Mayo and then just before six
we look at changes to the three strikes law that
the government has brought and will announce this morning. Just
after five o'clock, we will look at that just before six.
It's now twenty one after five Ryan Bridge, the Maori
Development Minister Tama Paultucker has warned the group, this is
(10:52):
the group tasked with deciding the future of Ihumato, that
they could be shown the door if they can't find
a solution. The Crown bought Humato for thirty million dollars
back in twenty twenty. You remember that this is to
end the occupation over its commercial development. They wanted to
build houses there. Since then, there's been a group, and
you may not have known this, a group of Monofenua
and Crown reps who have been tasked with forming a
(11:15):
plan which must involve putting Malori harnsing on the disputed land.
It hasn't happened yet. Willie Jackson's ADM Minister, was a
Minister in charge at the time the Crown bought the land.
He's the current labor Malori Development spokespersonally. More than a
good morning in Modina Modina. Right, Hey, good to have
you on the show. So Tama Pawtuck has basically said,
if you guys can't sort your out, then I might
(11:37):
step in.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Is that not fair enough?
Speaker 9 (11:40):
Well, it's been given five years, so the actual agreement
was signed off in July twenty two. That's when we
the Crown put our representatives on. So we've put two
representatives on and they were given five years. And of
course we want progress and all of that. But I mean,
(12:01):
a deal is a deal, isn't it. You see this
government into breaching that anything it seems with Copropa Mali.
And yes we want things to happen, and of course
we want housing there, particularly for comart. But it's just
it's just the sort of weekly attack, isn't it all
the Ford weekly or Ford might the attack on Maori.
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If it's not if it's not this, then it's a
trial Maori. If it's not this, it's treaty legislation. If
it's not this, marse.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
H.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But how can you before how can you be four
years on from the sale, you know, thirty million dollars
in public money, have no houses, no plan and no
idea of what's going on.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Well, well, one, there is I think there is a plan.
And two, well, people can't agree on some some things.
But this this was a five year agreement with the people,
so actually they speak very clear. We didn't sign off
in terms of a deal until July twenty two, and
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the deal was a five year deal. So you know,
just because you and Tama Portucker want things to happen tomorrow,
it doesn't always happen that way. And I think there
has to be some credibility shown and Marty has to
be given the space to do the deal. That's the
that's the reality. Now we can get all tough and say,
oh you marry, he's got to get it together tomorrow.
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We all want housing, we all want the best for
the community, but let's just let's just work this through it.
But they get all they have to keep running the
anti Marti line that this government keeps running. And that's
what's incredibly disappointing. I live and not too far from
Ihu Marto, and people are sick of it. You know,
we came to a peaceful solution, but everyone will You
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will know.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Then that the co marthaer who just want to live
there in a nice house that's insulated and warm and dry,
you know, and here we are.
Speaker 9 (13:56):
Nothing's hang on, hang on right the combr to the king. Okay,
the King was facilitating this process on behalf of the
local co mar to and on behalf of everyone. And
of course that's what I want, and it's what the
local co marters want. But give them the space in
honor the agreement, That's all I'm saying. And if they don't,
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if they don't hit their deadline before the agreement finishes,
then obviously you're into something else. But don't try cup
things a quarter of the way through it. I mean,
I know that's how you operate, Ryan, and you like
ones he be. Come on, mate, give the marriage a
fair crack. Hey, give us a bit of space, you know,
deceive it opportunities I've got.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
All right, welly, thank thank you for coming on. I
appreciate it. Have a good morning. Calder Williejckxon, who's the
latter's nightly development spokesperson, twenty five after five News Talks
he'd be.
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A B twenty seven After five News Talk said, be
a three strikes update for you this morning. Nicole mcke's
put out a statement. The government's basically lowering the threshold
you have to meet in order to be hit with
the new three strikes law. Originally, for the law to
kick in, for you to get a strike, you had
to commit a crime with a prison sentence of twenty
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four months or more, and it was the same for
each of the three strikes strike one, two, and three.
Now it's being lowered to just twelve months for the
first offense, So basically more criminals will be captured by
the first strike, and if they go on to commit
more serious crimes, it could mean they're locked up for good,
or there's an increase in their minimum sentence. It's taking
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away the power from the judges and the discretion that
they have. They say the law doesn't work, this three
strikes law, because we have had it before. It's not
proven to reduce offending or reoffending. It's not right, it
doesn't rehabilitate criminals. And yet somehow I don't mind it.
If you can't sort yourself out after warnings one and two,
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then why would you miraculously stop offending after the third warning?
You probably would, so wouldn't we all be better off
if that serious violent repeat offender was rather than living
next door to you in jail, Rayan Bridge would have
thought so. Twenty eight minutes after five, a quick update
on what's happening with the North Korean troops who were
(16:18):
going to be fighting alongside the Russians. So North Korean
troops is about fifteen hundred of them, including special forces,
fighting alongside Russia against Ukraine, now South Korea. Their spy
agency has come out and said they have landed, they
are over there, and they're obviously angry with Russia because
they don't want Russia to be engaging with North Korea
(16:39):
at all. And Putin and Kim have signed the security
pack back in June. So here's the thing about it.
The experts, military experts, army experts reckon, they're not going
to be any good because when was the last time
the North Korean troops were in combat. And what's more,
if you actually think about it, Korean Russian language barrier
(17:03):
huge problem on the battlefield. So the experts reckon they
won't see the front line. There's fifteen hundred of them.
He'll probably be on beefed up security guards in Russia.
It is twenty nine minutes after five, News Talk said B.
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Get ahead of the headlines, Ryan Bridge, you for twenty
twenty four on early edition with Smith City, New Zealand's
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News Talk said B.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Good morning New Zealand. Twenty four away from six, News
Talk said B. We're going to get to a lawyer
on the three strikes law changes. You would have heard
about them, and the News just then announced this morning.
What does it mean for those first strike offenders. We'll
get to that just before six o'clock In Australia. A
couple of things to tick off with our Australia correspondents.
The big tax on big tech is making some of
(18:15):
what we're making a bit of progress, a bit of headway.
We'll find out more about that. Also this morning we've
been talking about Humato. This is the land. Remember that
the government purchased for thirty million dollars in twenty twenty
four years ago. This happened, Nothing has happened since. Nothing
of substance has happened since. And we just had Willie
(18:36):
Jackson on to defend the committee that they set up.
Did you know there was a committee set up? It's
got some mon Offenera representatives, it's got Crown representatives. It's
so far cost apparently half a million dollars for this
steering committee and they've steered it nowhere. They are in
fact not in a grants on any way forward, which
is a great shame because there are some you know,
(18:58):
particularly elderly members of that EWE who would like to
live there, but there's no houses to do. So this
from Peter, Good morning, Ryan, Ehu Marto helps illustrate the
futility of trying to run public affairs using divisive ethnic politics.
Nothing good ever comes of that. Policies that deliberately target
people based not on need but on skin color and
(19:19):
the like always end up in the same way. That
is failure. Thanks Peter. Twenty two away from six ray Bridge,
and we're going to our reporters around the country. Callum
Proctors and Dnedan Callum, good morning morning, Ryan. Now year
two million dollars a year for a pair of long
term o target university birth cohort studies. That's right.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
This is the Daneedan Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study in
the christ Church Health and Development Study under the One Umbrella.
Now they will receive this government funding of two million
dollars per year for the next seven years. The studies
have been following thousands of babies from birth over the
last half a century. It's data featuring as far as
(20:03):
a recent episode of The Kardashians, So it must be
worth it. Dunedin Study director Miaana Theodore says the fundings
for research which has proven benefits in New Zealand. She
says the data brings insights to health, the environment and
social issues.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It is always off quoted, isn't it? Do you know
anyone in it?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
My sister, isn't it?
Speaker 9 (20:22):
There you go?
Speaker 10 (20:23):
She was one of those nineteen seventy babies that have
been here followed since birth.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Fascinating, isn't it?
Speaker 8 (20:27):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
How's the weather today?
Speaker 10 (20:30):
You scattered rain for Daneda, but clearing this morning to
fine breaks this afternoon, light wines and sixteen today.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Thanks carm Claire Sherwoods and christ Church this morning. Clear
the death of real estate agent Young Faibao. The trial
now underway.
Speaker 11 (20:43):
It sure is underway, Ryan, fifteen months after Yan Feibao
went missing while she was working as a real estate
agent in the christ Church suburb of Hornby. The opening
statements from the Crown and defense have now been heard
at the High Court. Chinese national Tin Jun Chao is
being tried for her. Yesterday we heard that he's accused
of stabbing her to death. Now the Crown says Boo
(21:05):
was helping this man to find a house when he
assaulted her as a hornby property which she had recommended.
It is saying there is suggestion of a sexual motive
to that incident. However, Charles defense lawyer Josh McLeod has
described the crown evidence as muddy and says he will
take the next few weeks to erode the Crown's case.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
How's your weather today? Clear?
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Cloudy, period's possible morning fog clouding over again this evening.
Northeasterlies from the afternoon at a hive of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Brilliant, thank you Maxis and Wellington Hamax. This man has
fallen into a sewage tank.
Speaker 12 (21:39):
Yeah, pretty nasty business. Friday morning we received a tip
that a man had a bit of a nasty accident
in rural or Turkey. Thankfully he was unhurt because it
could have easily ended badly. As disgusting as it sounds,
he's spoken to our newsroom now Mark Humphrey. He was
working on an orchard when the lid of a tank
he was standing on collapse aps and he fell right in.
(22:01):
He managed to hang onto a shovel support himself with
his feet braced inside the tank at a certain angle
to keep his head above well certainly not water again.
He could have easily become fully submerged in the tank,
but he yelled for help. His dog started barking. Thankfully
help did come, and all in all he spent about
twenty minutes in this sewage tank. US what it was
(22:22):
like in their pretty s word, he said, basically, he's
got a bit of a cough now, a chest infection
which he reckons is due to the fumes from the waist.
He was hosed off by fire an emergency when he
came out. Incredibly, he fell in with his phone in
his pocket and it still goes. I'm not sure how
nage to clean it so thoroughly, but impressive for that
(22:42):
phone company.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Thanks thangs, and I hope no one's eating breakfast yet.
It's probably default, isn't it. That's the weather today next.
Speaker 12 (22:52):
They should expect it from the Wellington Cross. Mostly fine
northerlyas nineteen in.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The city brilliant, Thank you Neivas and Auckland. Hey Neva,
good morning, good morning. Or Tomaki says, one person's come
off the roof. So is this another?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yes, these little Well what's happened is that? Yeah, you're right,
one person has come down. This is the Auckland Youth
Justice Facility called Carterway Monarchy Facility in Witty. Now, this
all happened about six forty five last night. But one
has come down at twelve others remain.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
On the roof.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Obviously they're protesting. I don't know what about, but listen
to this. So a witness at the scene says that
the group was seen tearing off roofing, removing insulation, striking
the exterior of the building by kicking it. But of
course now they're asking for demands from the staff. We
want look, I'm not lying, five big max and make
them all large combos.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And we want them.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Ciggies too, that's what they're asking for. And I don't know,
but I think I'll have to just double check. But
I think they're playing cards up there on the roof.
So this is all happening as we speak. But I
remember the last time there was that group that went
up there and they got cave.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And they got McDonald's and boot and booger key because we,
oh I aid the receipts they spend.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But I'm thinking of the twelve of them up there now.
Five big mechs make them all large combos.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You need more than that.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
You won't be sharing up there.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, and do you know what I mean? At two
schools of thought? One don't feed them and they're get
hungry and come down.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
It's right you know them up there.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
For Auckland weather, it rains so much. I wish it
was thunder and lightning and all the rain in the world.
With a No, it's not cloudy periods. It has been
quite warm. Nineteen they'll be basking in sunshine up there,
little devils.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It is seventeen away from six News Talk, sib still
to come Donald tomorrow out of Australia and a Colninel
defense lawyer on the three strikes changes and now it'ced
just this.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Morning international correspondence with ends and eye insurance Peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Fourteen away from six News Talk said be the protests
certainly got some reaction and some headlines didn't it. This
is the Australian Senator Lydia Thorpe reaction. Donna Demour Australia
(25:11):
corresponds with us done, a good morning. What has the
reaction been?
Speaker 13 (25:15):
Yes, were quite a hostile reception for the Royals in
Canberra and it was just a few meters away that
the Royal couple sat through this rather intense heckling from
the Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe.
Speaker 14 (25:28):
The reaction, of course has been quite swift. We know
that the Australian MONARCHUS League wants her to step down immediately,
calling the protest a childish Then we heard from Australia's
first female Aboriginal senator nov Paris, and she's actually issued
(25:50):
what some people are saying is literally an apology to
the King, saying it was a rude outburst and a
disrespectful attempt to confront ran to the King. We know
that the senator was escorted out by security. There was
even an expleteve yelled out as in fact, as Camilla
and Charles sat there. There was no reaction from the Royals.
(26:11):
Mind you, the PM also was in the room and
his fiancee and Peter Dutton. Quite a selection of politicians
of course, but we've also heard from front benches from
both sides and they're saying it was just grand standing
and it actually just failed miserably.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, lots of reaction coming from the UK as well,
and I'll get to some of that in a second,
but very quickly, Donna, there's a massive compensation bill coming
for Quantas.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Huge.
Speaker 14 (26:37):
Quantas is facing a well about one hundred million dollar
plus payout for illegal sackings.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's a hefty bill.
Speaker 14 (26:43):
For unlawfully laying off staff during the pandemic and it
impacts about seventeen hundred workers that lost their job in
twenty twenty. Now they've got to get together, the lawyers
will get together and attend a mediation to determine that
final amount payout.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
All right, Donna, thank you very much for that. That's
Dona DeMay R, Australia correspondent with US. Has just gone
twelve minutes away from six o'clock, very quickly so. Kiir
Starmer's coming to Samoa this week for Chogham, the Commonwealth
Heads of Government meeting, and he's facing lots of questions.
After that protest in Australia, people are saying, including some
of his own MPs are saying you need to apologize
(27:19):
for the slave trade. This obviously affects more Caribbean countries
Chogham countries, but also asked to apologize and pay reparations
and compensation for Britain's role in the slave trade, and
this is what kir Starmer's presect has said. Reparations are
not on the agenda for the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting.
And asked about an apology, the spokesperson said the position
(27:43):
on an apology remains the same. We won't be offering
an apology at Chogham in Samoa. It is eleven away from.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Six ran Bridge.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
The government's toughening the three Strikes Bill by lowering the
qualifying sentence threshold. What does that mean. Well, initially it
was proposing the threshold you would have to reach in
order to be considered for your first strike a sentence
of twenty four months or more. They're lowering that down
to twelve months, which means lesser crimes will get you
(28:12):
your first strike. You can then go on to get
your second and third, but would require a twenty four
month imprisonment minimum term in order to get your second
and third strike. Roderic Mulgan is a criminal defense lawyer.
He joins US Live this morning. Roderick, good morning, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 15 (28:29):
Good morning, Ryan, how.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Are you good?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Is this going to make much of a difference.
Speaker 15 (28:34):
Well, yes, it'll catch more people in the net, which
is of course what they're intending. I think, of course,
need to point out that when you refer to those sentences,
you're referring to the maximum sentence available for the crime
on the statu you're not the actual sentence. Yes, that
the person might get. Yes, so you know you might
not get twenty four months in jail. But if that's
the sentence for that crime, then you've ticked the box.
(28:56):
You've got to strike.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
What types of crimes would fall under the twelve months
as opposed to the twenty four wow.
Speaker 15 (29:03):
All sorts of thefts and burgeries and assaults. It's it's
quite common that the sorts of crimes that come before
the courts I have those terms of imprisonments attached low
level in decent assaults, that sort of thing, certainly burgery,
(29:26):
certainly theft, So.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Burglary and theft could get you your first strike then,
but then you would have to be really bad. To
get your second and third, you just had to be
bit with.
Speaker 15 (29:38):
In fact, those crimes would qualify under the twenty four
month mark as well.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
True. So all in all, is this going to make
New Zealand safer?
Speaker 9 (29:52):
When you see?
Speaker 15 (29:52):
That's the big question, and that's what the politicians assert
that it will. It will certainly put people in jail
for longer that that's a good thing. It's an entirely
different question. The idea that you can keep society safe
by just locking people up for very long periods of
time and forgetting me you left? The key is that
old fashioned. It has perverse effects. So for instance, if
(30:18):
you're going up for a sentence and you agree to
things like undertaking rehabilitation, you get a discount, which is
a good thing. But if you have an automatic the
judge can't vary at rule that you must get the
maximum sentence, then you no longer engage in those sorts
of activities to get yourself at discount.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But if you've done strike one, strike two, strike three,
I mean, at some point isn't it more for us.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
More?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Aren't we the fools for believing it? You know that
they'll change, or that they're remorseful when it's not at all.
Speaker 15 (30:55):
Lots of people get strings of sentences over years, but
capable of changing, improving, having periods of time where they
don't offend. A finding is complicated. It's not just the
case of the bad people. People offend because they have
substance PEERCE issues, because they're low IQ, because they don't
have they're not embedded in family support networks, they lack
(31:19):
life skills. It's a complicated business and you can't just
say I will lock you up for longer and you'll
learn your lesson. And the other big problem is that
you get seriously disproportionate outcomes. And there was a famous
case that came out the last time. This is on
the statute books. Grammand, who had some mental health issues,
(31:42):
tried to kiss a woman on the street.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And it was completely overblowing, basically, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
And that was indecent assault.
Speaker 15 (31:51):
He got seven years because that was the third one.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Roderick, thank you very much for your time. As always,
Roderic Mulgan, who is a criminal defense lawyer. It is
seven away from six on.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with Ryan
Bridge and Smith City New Zealand's furniture beds and a
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Speaker 2 (32:11):
Youth Talk said be five away from six News Talk
said be there's a group of youths who are hold
up on the top of a youth justice facility in
Auckland this morning, demanding five Big Max combos be delivered
to them. One of our listeners says, my solution for
those clowns hold up on the detention facility roof, send
one big Mac combo and televised the results way better
(32:32):
than celebrity Treasure Island. It has just gone five to six.
Mike saire, Hey, Mike, what do they want? Five big
Mac combos?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
The bigger picture? There must be something bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well, there always is.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
I holistically speaking, what are they seeking in life?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Probably some respect?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Really yeah, if they asked directly for that now.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But that's usually what it comes down to, isn't that
they don't feel that they're being respected?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
So so how would that manifest itself.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
To you got a big Mac? Give me a big Mac.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Is there something wrong with this country? I mean yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yes, there is something wrong with this There is something,
but it's not worth dwelling on because it can become
quite depressing.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That is true.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Do you I mean you must remember that. I distinctly
remember it. Ja Cinda Adern did it. It was an
intervention by her moments before she left for the Pacific, remember,
and I think it was Choggham that she was leaving for.
And she she sent dispatched Willie down south to sort
them out. And you know, this was a housing crisis
and Fletchers were busy building houses to solve our problem.
(33:35):
But no, we'll pay our thirty million dollars and will
and here we are all these years later and.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
What four years later?
Speaker 6 (33:40):
And nothing years later and literally nothing's happened, and we're
still paying for this nonsense politics over substance. Anyway, we'll
talk to the Prime Minister about this.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Another matters Mike with the next Have a great day everyone,
I'll see tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
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