There's an expectation Ukraine won't be left out of peace deal negotiations.
US and Russia have agreed to appoint teams to negotiate ending the war following high-level talks in Saudi Arabia, to which neither Ukraine nor Europe were invited
Russia says it will talk with Ukraine if "necessary".
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio's former chief of staff Matt Terrill told Andrew Dickens the meeting in Saudi Arabia was just a first step at getting Russia to the table.
He says ultimately Ukraine, Russia, and other key players will need to be there too.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So the United States and Russia are going to appoint
teams to negotiate ending the Ukraine War. You were Secretary
of State. Marco Rubio has finished up a for our
meeting with Russian officials in Saudi Arabia. Sergey Leverov, Russia's
foreign minister, says, Russia and the United States have agreed
to congrect to create conditions to restore cooperation in full
(00:22):
between the two nations.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We did not just listen to each other, but we
heard each other. I have every reason to believe that
the American side understands our position.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So what might have happened in that meeting? Marco Rubio's
former chief of staff is a fellow by the name
of Matt Terrell. He's in Milwaukee, and Matt joins me.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Now, hello, Matt, Hey, great to be you're with you.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What do you think happened in that for our meeting?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, we'll see what comes out of the reporting on it.
You know, what I can tell you is that it
appears to be a first step in terms of negotiations here,
particularly with Russia. And so the bottom line here is,
you know, it's a first step.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes, Michael Rubo says the peace is a verb, not
a noun, and it's all about incremental steps.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's right. Look, at the end of the day, actually
speak louder than words and support and have meetings the
support and have dialogue and discussions. But the end of
the day comes down to action, and you get to
see action on the side of Putin went to see
action among other actors here particause it relates to Russia
and deciding what happens here. But obviously ukrainily at that
table as well. You know what President Trump spoke just
(01:27):
a few days ago with Villainsky and you know the
bottom line here, Steve Woodkoff and others on the foreign
polity team of President Trump's team have been discussions with
Ukraine officials and Russia officials now and it appears in
Saudi Arabia. So you know, at the end of the day,
it's going to come down in what the actions are.
And clearly we'll have to see what that all means
the main book, because the discussions about land and discussions
(01:49):
about whether or not Ukraine would be able to join NATO,
those are all things that are going to be discussed here, negotiated.
Those are many of the key things that I think
are going to be certainly on the table in the day.
You know, look, this war needs to end. That President
Trump campaign down, any campaign and any miss warrant to negotiation,
not to putting boots on the ground. So right now
it comes down to with these discussions, having the discussions unfold. Again,
(02:12):
what occurred here over the past few hours is just
the first step. But you don't get to finalization negotiations
without starting negotiations. And hopefully what we're seeing here in
terms of a peaceful resolution and negotiate resolution here that
won't require more bloodshed.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well, when do you think the United States will talk
to the Ukrainian side because they have to be part
of the negotiations in the end.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, it's viral that they are and they have been.
I mean, look, you saw Secretary of Rubio and others
clearly state that, you know, the United States and President
Trump have been in discussions, and Josh with Zelenski and
so look at the end of the day, and it's
port and recognize that they are at the table here clearly.
Obviously you're seeing other voices here among Europe voice their
(02:57):
thoughts on this. But look, the reality is it's going
to come down to having they have both leaders, both
Putin Angelums at the table here among other key key
players here, they help bring this war to an end.
But I think, you know, and it's repentitive here, redundant
on this point. But really I think the key goal
here in Saudi Arabia once too, at least get Putin
(03:18):
and his team if you will, to the table. Now
you can't start negotiations, so you actually get these key
players to the table. And that was the first step here.
It's not the only step. I think There's many more
steps of course, are going to be needed here. But again,
the goal here is to end this saying, you know,
there's been reports, I don't know how accurate they are
or not, the reports that you know, the Russian military
(03:39):
has lost over one hundred and fifty thousand soldiers and
obviously their economy is taking a hit by much of
the recording we're saying. You know, I think at the
end of the day, this this is something that in
addition to you know, the lives sally lost in the
Ukraine side, you know, this is something I need to
come to an end. Present some campaign down that and
that's something he wants to deliver on I think soon here.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And you've been Michael Rubia as chief of Is he
good at this sort of stuff?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, I worked with on his twenty fifteen campaign and
when he was learning for president in twenty sixteen, he
was able. When I recognize the least and many of
those who work with him recognized, was his ability to
dive deep into the foreign policy issues that don't always
get the headlines. So, look, he has a very clear
understanding of history. I think he is a very clear
(04:23):
understanding of the key challenges that we are facing when
it comes to your question of negotiation. Look, this is
someone who has been at this during his time in
the senatepal Relations Committee, the Senate Intel Committee. He's not
new to the foreign policy challenges that we're facing, not
just as a country, but as a world. I think
this is somebody who's got charisma and ability to negotiate.
But to me, him and others obviously at the table here,
(04:45):
but then they it's gonna come down to I think
President Trump. You know, I think there's only one world
leader right now who can really bring this thing to
an end. I think that that's President Trump. I think
it's one of the reasons why he won the last
election in twenty twenty four, because Americans want to see
this war coming to end, as the people around the world.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah yeah, Matt Terrell, I thank you for your time.
Matt Terrell is Marco Rubio's former chief of staff.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live
to news Talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
So the United States and Russia are going to appoint
teams to negotiate ending the Ukraine War. You were Secretary
of State. Marco Rubio has finished up a for our
meeting with Russian officials in Saudi Arabia. Sergey Leverov, Russia's
foreign minister, says, Russia and the United States have agreed
to congrect to create conditions to restore cooperation in full
(00:22):
between the two nations.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We did not just listen to each other, but we
heard each other. I have every reason to believe that
the American side understands our position.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So what might have happened in that meeting? Marco Rubio's
former chief of staff is a fellow by the name
of Matt Terrell. He's in Milwaukee, and Matt joins me.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Now, hello, Matt, Hey, great to be you're with you.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What do you think happened in that for our meeting?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, we'll see what comes out of the reporting on it.
You know, what I can tell you is that it
appears to be a first step in terms of negotiations here,
particularly with Russia. And so the bottom line here is,
you know, it's a first step.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes, Michael Rubo says the peace is a verb, not
a noun, and it's all about incremental steps.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's right. Look, at the end of the day, actually
speak louder than words and support and have meetings the
support and have dialogue and discussions. But the end of
the day comes down to action, and you get to
see action on the side of Putin went to see
action among other actors here particause it relates to Russia
and deciding what happens here. But obviously ukrainily at that
table as well. You know what President Trump spoke just
(01:27):
a few days ago with Villainsky and you know the
bottom line here, Steve Woodkoff and others on the foreign
polity team of President Trump's team have been discussions with
Ukraine officials and Russia officials now and it appears in
Saudi Arabia. So you know, at the end of the day,
it's going to come down in what the actions are.
And clearly we'll have to see what that all means
the main book, because the discussions about land and discussions
(01:49):
about whether or not Ukraine would be able to join NATO,
those are all things that are going to be discussed here, negotiated.
Those are many of the key things that I think
are going to be certainly on the table in the day.
You know, look, this war needs to end. That President
Trump campaign down, any campaign and any miss warrant to negotiation,
not to putting boots on the ground. So right now
it comes down to with these discussions, having the discussions unfold. Again,
(02:12):
what occurred here over the past few hours is just
the first step. But you don't get to finalization negotiations
without starting negotiations. And hopefully what we're seeing here in
terms of a peaceful resolution and negotiate resolution here that
won't require more bloodshed.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well, when do you think the United States will talk
to the Ukrainian side because they have to be part
of the negotiations in the end.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, it's viral that they are and they have been.
I mean, look, you saw Secretary of Rubio and others
clearly state that, you know, the United States and President
Trump have been in discussions, and Josh with Zelenski and
so look at the end of the day, and it's
port and recognize that they are at the table here clearly.
Obviously you're seeing other voices here among Europe voice their
(02:57):
thoughts on this. But look, the reality is it's going
to come down to having they have both leaders, both
Putin Angelums at the table here among other key key
players here, they help bring this war to an end.
But I think, you know, and it's repentitive here, redundant
on this point. But really I think the key goal
here in Saudi Arabia once too, at least get Putin
(03:18):
and his team if you will, to the table. Now
you can't start negotiations, so you actually get these key
players to the table. And that was the first step here.
It's not the only step. I think There's many more
steps of course, are going to be needed here. But again,
the goal here is to end this saying, you know,
there's been reports, I don't know how accurate they are
or not, the reports that you know, the Russian military
(03:39):
has lost over one hundred and fifty thousand soldiers and
obviously their economy is taking a hit by much of
the recording we're saying. You know, I think at the
end of the day, this this is something that in
addition to you know, the lives sally lost in the
Ukraine side, you know, this is something I need to
come to an end. Present some campaign down that and
that's something he wants to deliver on I think soon here.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And you've been Michael Rubia as chief of Is he
good at this sort of stuff?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, I worked with on his twenty fifteen campaign and
when he was learning for president in twenty sixteen, he
was able. When I recognize the least and many of
those who work with him recognized, was his ability to
dive deep into the foreign policy issues that don't always
get the headlines. So, look, he has a very clear
understanding of history. I think he is a very clear
(04:23):
understanding of the key challenges that we are facing when
it comes to your question of negotiation. Look, this is
someone who has been at this during his time in
the senatepal Relations Committee, the Senate Intel Committee. He's not
new to the foreign policy challenges that we're facing, not
just as a country, but as a world. I think
this is somebody who's got charisma and ability to negotiate.
But to me, him and others obviously at the table here,
(04:45):
but then they it's gonna come down to I think
President Trump. You know, I think there's only one world
leader right now who can really bring this thing to
an end. I think that that's President Trump. I think
it's one of the reasons why he won the last
election in twenty twenty four, because Americans want to see
this war coming to end, as the people around the world.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah yeah, Matt Terrell, I thank you for your time.
Matt Terrell is Marco Rubio's former chief of staff.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live
to news Talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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