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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, these reviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
early edition with one roof make your property search simple,
new stalks, it'd.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Be welcome morning to you, Welcome into the program. Thank
you so much for choosing us today. In the next hour,
the government gives money for deep water salmon farming. Now
is this a winner? We'll talk to the aquaculture CEO
in five minutes. The Wellington water scandal. How did Wellington
get so ripped off with its water and what are
(00:32):
they going to do about it? The Poilo grower mayor
joins us in ten minutes. Australia has a tropical cyclone
bearing down on it. Don at de Mayo with details
after five point thirty. And there's more money to train
up doctors from overseas. So why is this money coming
so late? And now will it help that story? Just
before six we'll have corresponders from right around New Zealand
and all around the world and news as it breaks.
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Dickens at Newstalk STB dot co dot NZ. It's seven
after five.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's Tuesday, the fourth of February. First to the Russian
Ukraine War. UK President Takia Stamer has told us MPs
that Britain will play or will play a leading role
in securing peace. He says, if necessary, this could involve
boots on the ground and planes of the year. Meanwhile,
French President Emmanuel Macran has suggested a partial one month
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truce in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It would be for a month, a truth that would
consist on a ceasefire on air sea and also with
regards to energetical installations, but the combats on the grounds
would potentially continue, and if this is respected, then we
would move to the second step of the plan, which
wouldn't pay of course, stopping all combats on the battlefield
(01:55):
and working on an agreeable keys deal.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Been driving into crowds again in Germany. One person has
been killed and several others injured after a car drove
into a crowd in the western city of Mannheim. Police
say a suspect has been arrested and people in the
city have been told to stay indoors. Police have not
specified whether the incident was deliberate or an accident, but
you know, Germany has experienced several of these attacks in
the past year.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
What we do know is that the car drove into
a crowd of people. We also know that Mannheim at
the moment is celebrating Carnival. Today in Germany is rosa
montag that needs sort of rose or pink Monday. It's
an important day in the carnival calendar. And there is
food stools in parts of Mannheim and fairground Rise.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And finally to Los Angeles, and it was a historic
night at the Oscars yesterday. The night began with this
performance from Ariander Grande and Cynthia Rivo from the film Wicked.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
There's no fight, we cannot will never bring us dumb.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Big song.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Eh.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
There were no slaps, there were no mix ups announcing
who's won which award, But it was the first time
an independent film won five awards. The romantic comedy An
Order took home Best Actress for breakout star Mikey Madison,
much to the shock of Demi Moore, and also a
record breaking four prizes for its director Sean Baker. And
here's a clip from Mikey Madison's acceptance speech.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
This is a dream come true. I'm probably gonna wake
up tomorrow. I also just want to again recognize and
honor the sex worker community.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
I will.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
I will continue to support and be an ally all
of the incredible people, the women that I've had the
privilege of meeting from that community. Has been one of
the highlights of this incredible of this entire incredible experience.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I'm sure she did wake up today. And finally, I'd
just like to apologize for the fact that I said
February when, of course it is now the fourth of March.
But you know, this year is just going too quick.
It's eleven after five.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make
Your Property Search Simple News Talk zid Bey.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I was shocked yesterday. There is no worse story than
the scandal around Wellington Water. Scathing reports released yesterday confirmed
that Wellington ratepayers have been ripped off for an unplanned
pipe maintenance, and they've been paying three times more than
other ratepayers in other cities. Wellington Water had few systems
in place to detect and prevent fraud. Chairban Nick Leggett
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has apologized and offered to resign Meanwhile, the former CEO
has been vilified for a lack of oversight, and so
the public servants have rightfully got it in the neck.
The structure of their system and the oversight has been
woefully negligent. But come on, at the root of the
matter are the people who had no qualms in ripping
off their fellow Wellington ratepayers. And talking about the contractors,
(05:15):
I don't know how they live with themselves. They must
be known to their neighbors. Everyone now knows how they
make their money by fleecing the people of Wellington. We
now know where you got your batch. We now know
where you got your new ute that you're so proud of.
And this is not the New Zealand way. We've always
prided ourselves in a relative lack of corruption in our
business community. But hello, and Wellington Water contractors have imagined
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they're in the sopranos and they have merely roughted the
system for years and possibly laughed about it. Wellington Water
is being disestablished and their systems will be brought up
to speed for the new entity. But for the contractors
who have ripped their fellow citizens off, you should reconsider
your future and you should get out of business because
you are not to be trusted.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Dickens.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We're going to talk to Anita Baker, the mayor of
Poderua shortly on this in about ten minutes time. Hey,
how about all these private spaceships landing on the Moon.
You saw it on the telly last night on Sunday.
Firefly Aerospace's Blue Ghost ship touchdown and I've seen the
wonderful video of the view as it's skimmed across the
surface of the Moon. The Moon still looks like a
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crater poked gravel pit, but it looked amazing on Thursday,
and ai intuitive Lander will arrive. It'll be their second.
Their first landed back in February last year, but unfortunately
it toppled over it May. A Japanese company called ice
Space is expected to land the air craft. So the
race is on, and that's a challenge to NASA and
(06:44):
Elon Musk and their Artemis project. That project's very expensive,
but it has the support of Donald Trump because he
wants to use it as a staging point to get
all the way to Mars. But all these competitors, these
private competitors getting to the Moon on the cheap is
giving the States the willy wobbles. The Chinese have talked
about a manned moon base by twenty thirty, and that's soon.
(07:06):
And one US congressman is very worried about the Chinese,
saying his greatest fear is that they will get to
the moon only to be greeted by a no trespassing
notice written in Amandarin.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Andrew Dickens, it's by fourteen.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So the government has given money into salmon farming. You
have to ask why and why couldn't the public set
to get in?
Speaker 8 (07:28):
It's what how much?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's about twelve million dollars. They reckon this will increase
exports by five hundred million. So if it's such a
good deal, where's the private money? Anyway? That's a good question,
and I'll ask that of Gary Hooper, here is the
CEO of aquaculture in New Zealand. He's my guess. Next
here on NEWSTALKSB.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens
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Speaker 2 (07:53):
Zib it's sixteen past five. The government's betting our aquaculture
will go from strength to strength. That's putting on almost
twelve million dollars into salmon farming, mainly to expand it
to deep water and to prove that it all works.
If it does, it's thought it could increase salmon exports
by five hundred million dollars. So Agriculture New Zealand CEO
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Gary Hooper has got up early for us. Good morning
to you.
Speaker 9 (08:16):
Gary, Oh, good morning, Andrew, good morning.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So tell me about deep water salmon farming and how
will this money help.
Speaker 9 (08:24):
Well, I'm pleased. It was great news yesterday and of
course this is a good news water story in contrary
to what's happening in Wellington. It seems look a wonderful announcement.
Eleven point seven million CO invested in a program. It's
a five year program. The total program's twenty nine million
dollars in this with New Zealand King Salmon's Blue Endeavor
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project in the top end just just off or seven
kilometers off the northern end of the Marlboro Sounds. And
it is a essentially proof of commercial pilot. And there's
three elements to it. Is the farming system, a new
freshwater hatchery using rast technology, recirculating aguaculture system technology, so
(09:08):
that's novel. And of course is the breeding components as
well to ensure we get the most resilient and productive
fish farms out there. The five hundred million dollar experts,
I think that's pretty conservative. When this system, when this
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farm's up and running and there are others in the pipeline,
could be up to fifty or sixty thousand tons in total.
That would when it's all up and running, that would
be well in excess of a billion dollars. So I
think five hundred million by twenty thirty five that's probably conservative,
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but also quite realistic.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, if you're saying twelve million from the government, thirty
million dollar investments, only a billion dollars coming in. If
it's such a good investment, hasn't the private sector been
getting stuck in?
Speaker 9 (10:03):
So this is a pioneering activity and it's it's kind
of new anywhere. You know, the handful of countries that
are fortunate enough to be able to farm salmon because
of their you know, they have appropriate water conditions, et cetera.
Traditionally it's been in sheltered, enclosed waters. The move to
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salmon farming, expansion of salmon farming, and New Zealand's not
the only country with ambitions, but likely future growth is
to be in the open water. Conditions are you know,
obviously more energized out there, and new systems need to
be developed to achieve that are not without Sorry, it
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has its challenges, and look the reason the government is
getting behind it not only is that the export growth opportunity,
but the experience and the learnings, the you know, the
systems that will be developed can be passed on to
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other entrants. And bear in mind one of the quite
unique situations that New Zealand has is any new aquaculture.
So any new aquaculture has a commercial mari commercial agriculture
settlement component. So in many ways e we are hardwired
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into the opportunity and so that's kind of a unique
element too. And anything that we can help de risk
that and accelerate the development has to be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, we love an increase in exports, don't we. Gary Hooper,
who's from aquaculture in New Zealand, he's the CEO, thank
you so much for joining us. I am horrified, as
you already know, about what happened down in Wellington about
the water. So what's going to happen going forward? We're
going to talk to the plot of m mare in
just a moment. It's twenty past five.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
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Speaker 2 (12:08):
Five twenty two. So councils in Wellington are furious. I'm
furious with a new scathing report into Wellington Water, just
as we thought the agency couldn't get any worse. The
report found alleged theft, poor value for money from contractors,
and major structural issues. In fact, it says the Lower
North Island rate payers have coughed up three times what
it should have cost to fix the pipes. So Anita
(12:30):
Baker is the Polarua mayor and joins me now coccording
to you, Anita.
Speaker 10 (12:33):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
How was this allowed to happen?
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Not just bloody?
Speaker 10 (12:37):
Is shocking the internal systems that Wellington Water with the
competitive tendering process a complete jackaup just just disgrace.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Let's remember that last year Wellington Water revealed a fifty
one million dollar budget error. Remember that, of course you do.
It seems like the whole organization has been a clown show.
Speaker 10 (12:57):
It certainly feels like that, and I have to think
the new ce pet Dockerty and netlegates are running this
report and finding out these processes. Once that new CEE
came into place, staff just came out of the woodwork
with the issues and we've been complaining about the pricing.
And this report is an absolute.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Eye open So staff knew about the issues.
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Staff internally had problems and I think just didn't want
to come forward. You know, other people knew things. So
I think that organization has completely changed since pet Dockety
has taken over. We're certainly you know, the processes have
changed and they've got the even even though they didn't
have an IT system, For God's sake, how can do
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you not have an IT system that pay roll and
everything else they were relying on contract.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yes, perhaps they borrowed it because they didn't have enough
money to make their own.
Speaker 10 (13:49):
Yes, it was never set up from the start. Wellington
Water was set up to fail from my point of
view all those years ago. Sure, and it has not
been done.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Should Nick le get step down his chair he's offered.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
I personally don't think you should. We're a year out
from water reforms. Him and Pat are working exceptionally well together.
We're out for two new directors at the moment. Why
would you push someone who's just just revealed what we
wanted them to come out and tell us there was issues.
I just don't see why you chop the head off
something when they're working well as good as a team
(14:22):
and we need the processes in place to go forward
with water reforms. So personally, I can't see the point.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, I get it, because it's not the problems, not
with the head, it's with what's happening at the base.
So you pilot of a city, you're working with Hot City,
Upperhut City, Wellington City and Greater Wellington Regional Councils alongside
EWE Partners on a new model for water services delivery
and that new entity you're hoping to begin in July
twenty twenty six, is this under the local water done well?
And are you looking to pull your ability to borrow
(14:50):
more money so you can thanks the bloody pipes?
Speaker 10 (14:53):
You're not wrong because we've got lots of pipes that
need faxing, So yes we are, and water done well
is the only way to SEXU and I think this
proves us.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Oh Anita, I thank you so much. I'm so sorry
and I thank you so much for your time today.
It is shocking, absolutely shocking. It's five twenty six. I'll
tell what else was shocking. We get doctors coming into
this country and they want to work, but they can't
because they can't get training. But finally we've done something
about that. We'll talk about that next the Early.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
News Talks B. It is now five twenty seven. So
here's a question for you. How did we manage to
bring in so many people to this country and get
fail to have enough doctors when we get there. This
is the question we've all asked every surge of immigration
we've ever had. There's been many surges of immigration.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
I'm one.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I came out in nineteen sixty five with my English
father and my Kiwi mum. There's been many more waves.
We've had millions of people arrive in this country. Have
we had thousands of doctors arrive and start practicing as well?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No, we have not.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Every time we've opened the door, there seems to have
been attitude that will take the immigrants, labor, will take
their money. We'll take all the advantages, but ignore the
consequences of a bigger population. So Simeon Brown's announcement of
a faster a tract to qualifying overseas doctors who come
here is welcome and about time, because our immigration booms
have distorted our society. It swamped our motorways, it puts
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strain on housing and infrastructure, and it crushed our service sector,
including doctors. Yet all the money and all the labor
made people think we had a rock star economy, but
that was artificial. If the economy is a rock star,
how come you can't see a doctor. If you can't
see a doctor, is it really rocking? So congratulations to Simeon,
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and congratulations to the government for putting some money in
because we need them. And finally we seem to be
realizing that if we bring in more people, we need
to look at the whole picture. Dickens, all right, I
might talk about Ukraine. Finally, it seems like everyone's going
to get what they want in the Ukraine Seas fire deal.
So that's to come. This a big old cyclone heading Australia,
(17:02):
So Donald Demayo is on the way. We'll go right
around the country as well, and we'll talk to dr
Angus Chambers about these changes to the doctors before six o'clock.
This is Early Edition. I'm Andrew Dickens in for Ryan Bridge.
Thank you for choosing us.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
News and Views you trust to start your day. It's
Early Edition with Andrew Dickens and one Ruth Make your
property search simple. You've talked, Sibby said together.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's a little size to what happened yesterday at the Oscars.
It was a tribute to Bond. That's the Adel song
being performed by the British singer Ray. That is a
sky fall. It was a wonderful tribute to Bond. However
a little bit of sweet really, you have to say,
because Bond has been brought by Amazon and its future
is uncertain. So there were some people going, yeah, yeah,
this is nice. But at the same time, what is
going to happen to James Bond in the future. But
(18:28):
that's a great question. It is twenty three to six
now some Texan on Wellington Jack reckins. The police should
be called it and people held to account in Wellington.
Roy says, if you talk to any competent plumbing company,
they knew that there was a huge walk going on
in Wellington. Well why didn't they blow the whistle. I
have to say now on my comments about the doctors
(18:48):
and immigration and the rock star economy, we've got a
text here that says rock star economy only ever a
pathetic media expression and never close to reality. The media
in general should be ashamed. Well, I know exactly who
said rockstar economy and it was a guy called Paul Bloxham.
And I know this because I've spoken to him about it,
and he is the senior economist at HSBC in Sydney
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and an expert on New Zealand. And he was the
one who said rockstar economy. And you know what the
media did, Shame on us. We reported it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Andrew Dickens twenty three to six.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Le's go around the country. Calum bruct good morning to
you morning, Andrew. So there was a murder at Lake
Harware and now a man is in court.
Speaker 11 (19:27):
That's right, charged with murdering his wife at this property.
He will reappear in court today, a case which has
a lot of attention here. Andrew's sixty year old Karen
White was found dead at her home almost a year
ago to the day. Police launched a homicide investigation. Eight
months later, last November, her husband's sixty one year old
Robert White lost name suppression at a court appearance last month.
(19:50):
He's pleaded not guilty to the murder charge and reappears
in the Cargoles High Court today.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
All right, how's your weather?
Speaker 11 (19:57):
Early showers clear, but then return this afternoon some maybe
heavy the heights of Day eighteen.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Claire Sherwood joins us in Christier Tella Claire.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Hello, Claire, good morning.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 9 (20:08):
I can?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Indeed? Gee, I wish I was in Christich. Actually I
saw on the telly the building the squash court at
the Isaac Royal for the Squash Championships New Zealand Squash Championships.
It looks awesome.
Speaker 13 (20:17):
It does look awesome. Andrew, look, this is really special
for the city. We've got, of course, that iconic Isaac
Theatre Royal and it's hosting the New Zealand Squash Open
for the next six days. So that glass court has
been fitted out on the stage of the theater for
this inaugural event. The theatre's chief executive, Greg Ward has
told us they're still focused on performing arts, but also
(20:38):
on reaching a broader audience, and this is one of
the ways to do that. He says this is the
sort of event that will open the door to many
people who may not have been to the theatre before,
or not seen it in this light anyway. He says
there is the potential for more sporting events like this
to take place in the future.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yes, a nice seats at a really good snack bar
and a great place to watch sports squash and I
understand the final session almost sold out. So there we go.
How's your weather, Well, it's.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
Pretty miserable here today. Rain will clear to occasional showers
a bit later. South westerlies as we make our way
to sixteen.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Next toll joins us from Willington.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Hellm X, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Got a new rainbow crossing?
Speaker 14 (21:14):
Yeah, so a Wellington's Pride Festival begins this week. We
have been and still are a very gay friendly city.
There's a rainbow crossing on Cuba Street, of course. And
now what's just appeared is a smaller but still very
noticeable crossing in the suburb of Brempoor and it's actually
in the colors of the trans flag. We assume the
council had installed it. So went to them. At first
(21:36):
they said, well, firstly it wasn't them. Instead a piece
of a gorilla art, so they will have to remove
it in line with their graffiti policy, which is fair enough.
Then a spokesperson told us in a follow up email,
hang on hold a tick on that one. Someone was
clearly deliberating or weighing in. We waited a few hours
and then it was confirmed, Yes, this crossing will be removed.
(22:00):
We don't yet know who painted it, and it puts
the council in a tricky spot because obviously it doesn't
want to be seen as bigoted by removing a transcolored
rainbow crossing. But at the same time, last year, when
pro Palestine graffiti appeared, there was a push by the
mayor and others to keep it around the city as
a form of art, despite that being against the council's policy.
(22:21):
So we'll see if there's any pushback here.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
How's your weather?
Speaker 14 (22:24):
It should be terrible today. Shawer's turning to rain, possibly
thundery this afternoon with strong southerly's.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Never read amano from Walkinhello meetings. So you've got details
about a cold case murder, yes, this.
Speaker 12 (22:36):
Cold case, So police hoping the public can shed some
light on this cold case murder of a man described
as a typical WESTI Now it's Brett Fraser. He died
at the hands of intruders at a property in West
Hawkin's Colston. This happened in twenty fourteen. Now police are
now offering a one hundred thousand dollars reward for any
information leading to the capture of the fifty one year
(22:56):
old's killers. His former partner, that's Michelle Manson. Now she's
told TV one's Cold Case this was extra hard really
because he seemed to be more motivated to break out
of his bad habits. And she says it was just
said that he died just as he was looking to
get his life back together. So if you've got any
information from this cold case back in twenty fourteen, contact
the police.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
How's the weather cloudy?
Speaker 12 (23:16):
Isolated, Charles aroal midday, becoming frequently heavy for a time
in the evening, not as.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Cold as the South Island. Twenty four is the high
today in Auckland's.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And I thank you. It is now eighteen minutes to six.
I'm just watching Sekia Stana. He's talking to the British
Parliament right now. He says that Britain will leave from
the front in the Ukraine. He's also gone out and
to say the minerals deal would never have provided enough
security for Ukraine, which is why Britain and Europe has
to stand up. You know what, whether it's by luck
or design, everyone seems to be getting what they want
in this Ceasfare deal. As Zelenski has said yesterday, he
(23:46):
will sign the minerals deal because he finally got some
security guarantees. But he got those guarantees from Europe. Now, Europe,
they were kicked into action by Trump and Vance's bullying
of Zelenski. Maybe that was America's plan, Maybe it wasn't.
I don't care. It worked, Europe stepped up. Now America
gets its minerals but loses well respect.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
But there we go.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And while I understand America's view on a commercialized DMZ
bringing peace to Ukraine, the idea would never have held water.
That's what Kirstarma just said, because it takes time to
launch the mining and even once it starts, there's no
telling it'll be whether it'll be economic, whether the companies
will be there, whether they will prevent Russia from invading.
That's why Zelenski needed something more concrete, just to feel safe,
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and presumably Putin will get some Ukrainian land, but Ukraine
won't keep its twenty fourteen borders. And anyway, Putin's going
to sit there and platter his next Foray, and there
will be another Foray. Ukraine was the home of a
ARUs people who form the Russian nation, and he wants
it back. It's in his heart, it's in his soul,
it's his grad mission. Even if Ukraine has moved on,
(24:51):
Putin wants it back. So this is a war that
will echo on into the future. God bless all of
those who find themselves in the middle of it. We'll
talk more overseas stuff with Donald Demayev from Australia.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Next.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
It's coming up sixteen to.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Six International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And we now crossed to Australia. Donna to my all.
The time, by the way, is fourteen to six. Hello Donna.
Speaker 9 (25:16):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So we've got a prominent ex football player who's joined
a class action against the AFL, the National Football League.
This alleged that he's alleging racial abuse.
Speaker 15 (25:27):
Yes, well, we already knew that the AFL was facing
legal action, but now we know that this prominent former
player has joined the class action. Lawyers have confirmed that
its former since killed a star and I'm calling him
a true, true superstar of the footy world. Nicki Winmar.
Now he's joined the action, and this is very significant.
(25:48):
The AFL is being sued by indigenous players, including Phil
and James Cracker. Now this it's alleged they suffered injury,
loss and damage after the organization failed to protect them
from racial abuse. Now Windma is now fifty nine years old,
but it was about three decades ago. I think it
was nineteen ninety three. In fact, he was at the
center of an iconic moment and it's still discussed to
(26:10):
this day. And he was on the field and he
lifted his footage jumper and he pointed to his skin
while he was being racially abused by opposition team fans.
He was playing Collingwood at the time, so killed her
versus Collingwood. Now there's an unspecified number of Indigenous players
in the class action, and now we know that Nicki
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Winmar has joined it. They've been given two months to
build the case.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
And I will add that it was in.
Speaker 15 (26:37):
Twenty twenty three that Collingwood. I'm going to say finally
apologized to Winma.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, now you've got a tropical cyclone getting close to
Queensland and it's called Alfred.
Speaker 15 (26:48):
Yes, brace yourselves Queensland residents, because it's due to landfall
this week sometime on Thursday or Friday. Brisbane might even
feel the brunt of this tropical cyclone. And of course
there's the possibility of destructive wings and life threatening flash flooding.
Now it could be upgraded to a category to eighty minute,
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and of course if it maintains that intensity as it
approaches the southeast Queensland coast, it could do quite a
lot of damage. In fact, we've heard from the Bureau
of Minteorology issuing a warning that there could be house damage,
significant damage to trees and signs and caravans. Of course,
there's the risk of power failure and the even fearing
that there could be some damage to crops. Wings gus
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up to one hundred and sixty four kilometers per hour.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay, it's been a fairly calm somemer. You have to say, really,
but here we go, here we go, Here we go.
Donna Demayo, I thank you said very much. It's eleven
to six. So the new Health Minister, Simeon Brown, has
begun making moves to try and save our deteriorating healthcare system.
So yesterday he announced two hundred and eighty five million
dollars in performance based funding for GPS, a new twenty
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four to seven digital service, and an additional one hundred
place for overseas trained doctors. So to talk us through
all of this, we've got Jempro chaired doctor Angus Chambers
with me. Hello, Angus, good morning. Is just what you
were having to get.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Look, it's a good start. We applaud the efforts to
address the what is basically crisis in general practice, but
I'm not quite sure if it's going to achieve what
they want want it to.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, what's this performance based funding for GPS? How would
that increase primary care? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Well, look it's talented as you know. Funding that will
decrease the wait time to see GPS. Government commissioned an
independent body to kind of serve a GP and report
back to us and it found there's basically a gap
about one hundred and thirty seven million dollars a year
and this is on data five years old.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
It needed to.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Enable general practice deliver what it needs to. So this
is basically ninety five million dollars a year. Probably the
figure that was one hundred and thirty seven is close
to two hundred now, so it's maybe about half of
what's needed. And then the performance based funding is quite
concerning and general practices, iiron large independent businesses performing extremely well.
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Now if you let's say, the one of the big
issues is the closed books. So if you put there's
a part of your performance, and practices open their books
to get more money, so there's no extra workforce, there
more patients going in, the wait time is going to
get longer. So it's not quite clear until we see
the detail of the performance at money, how it's going
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to play out.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
It could possibly incentivize them just to slam their way
through clients quicker.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Well, I think private business does that anyway. That's that's
that's why general practice that's quite efficient because there's a
business imperative. But I don't think gps are actually lazy
and sort of sitting around having captive tea and champagne.
They're actually head down working really hard. And by the way,
when you when you when you spend your day seeing patients,
you've still got several outs at the end of the
day that you need to do the paperwork.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So yeah, not not clear, Yeah exactly, But it's still
performance based funding, so they're going to be ranked whether
they like it or not. Now, look, we all know
doctors who have come here who can't work because we
didn't provide enough training opportunities. One hundred placements for overseas
trained doctors will come into place. How did we ever
allow that imbalance to happen while we had high immigration figures.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Look, I don't know. We're pleased to see it happen.
It will make some difference. It's going to take a
bit of time. It's got a lot of work that
goes into getting those doctors to the place that they
need to be to deliver care to New Zealand's population.
You'd have to ask the workforce planners about that. There's
been abject failure in workforce planning in our system for
quite a long time. We've been warning for almost two
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decades of the crunch of retiring gps and impoundered by
the fact that people are leaving the profession of some conditions.
So I think of as a question better addressed to
the workforce planners the answer so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Okay, well, but you know what people say. They go, well,
you've got an English doctor who decides to come to
New Zealand and make a new life. They come here
and then they're told they can't they can't actually do
any services for us for at least two years. They've
got to go through a training placement if they can
actually find a room there. And everyone says, well, hold on,
and English body is just the same as New Zealand bodies.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Yeah, I think that's where I think you might have
this wrong. The English doctors are able to come and
practice like that, although we would like this, obviously, bureaucracy
is so that these doctors are outside of jurisdictions that
are recognized by the Medical Council. So yeah, we're absolutely
propped by and popped up by English doctors who've got
a fantastic contribution by English doctors. So I got going.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I admitted I got my metaphor wrong, but you know
what I mean. A body's a body, a doctor's a doctor.
Speaker 8 (31:48):
But there we go.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Now we've got one hundred extraplacement for overseas training doctors
to go in and find out how to be a
New Zealand doctor and that is a good thing. Don't
they ever look a gift horse in the mouth. It
is seven to six.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Andrew dickens all Afili edition with one roof Make Your
Property Search Simple, Youth Talk zibby.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yes, it's now five to six. On the Wellington water scandal.
Earlier today I talked about the contractors and the people
who fleeced the Wellington right players and I compared them
to the Sopranos with their war of public money. And
I've had a text from Roy saying Andrew, I wouldn't
call them the Sopranos. The Sopranos is a great show,
not a bunch of neglecting wreckers. They can't even fix
water fair point. What's horrified me most this morning was
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hearing from Anita Baker, the part of Mayor, who said
that staff came forward to the inquiry because they knew
that there was already a problem. And Bruce has sent
me a text saying, anybody who's been part of pipes
in Wellington, any plumber, could have told you for years
that there was a huge walk going on and yet
nothing happened. So ierhaps see something will happen Mike Costkin, good,
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wouldn't you.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
Very good morning? Best thing? Yesterday? It was one of
those things I thought to myself, why haven't we done
this years ago?
Speaker 16 (32:58):
So this health thing where you get more doctors and
nurses and things like that, all of that's fine. But
this idea that you can go online using the internet
and you can get yourself a script at eleven o'clock
at n I've always I've never understood why people get
so precious about that sort of thing. If you've been
on pills for twenty years or whatever the case may be,
it's just another script, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
So if you can get to a nurse or a
doctor at eleven o'clock or ten o'clock or seven fifteen
that night.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
My doctor has managed my health portal. And I've been
taking bood pressure of medication since i was twenty because
I've inherited it from a mum bless and I just
go on and just get a repeat on that, and
it turns up at the pharmacy the next day my doctor.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
I'm went to the doctor the other day. First of all,
I have no problem getting to the doctor.
Speaker 16 (33:42):
Second of all, the place I go to is hiring
doctors and has doctors and has their books open.
Speaker 8 (33:48):
So if you ask me, there is no problem. So
is there a problem or not?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I think we're just to disorganize people some of us.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 8 (33:56):
I don't know anyway, So we'll talk to bet.
Speaker 16 (33:58):
If I knew the answers to your question, well, that
is I run the country. That's true, which I show
you people running the country.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
He's with us.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh, yes, Christopher Laxon. After seven thirty, I'm Andrew Dickins.
Thank you to producer Kenzie.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
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