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March 17, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Full Show Podcast Tuesday 18th of March 2025, NZ Herald Political Reporter Adam Pearse shares the latest on the Christopher Luxon meeting with India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi.  

Te Papa's Gallipoli exhibition is shaping up to be the most successful art exhibit in the country, with the museum extending it's stay for another four years.  

Act's announced it will have candidates in this year's local elections, Newstalk ZB Political Editor Jason Walls tells Andrew Dickens what this means.  

Andrew believes the Government's announcement that free trade talks between New Zealand and India will start next month is great news.  

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
early edition with one roof make your property search simple,
the use talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be it's good onding to you and welcome to
your Tuesday. Where it's going to rain. Talk about that
in just a few moments time. I'm Andrew Dickens coming
up over the next sixty minutes. ACT wants to give
local body politics a cleanout by standing candidates in the
elections for councils. So what's evolved and that will have
that story for you. In five the awesome Gallipoli exhibition

(00:33):
that Tipapa is set to hang around for at least
another ten years. We're going to take you behind the
scenes at our National Museum. And the free trade deal
with India is closer than ever, and we'll take you
to New Delhi just before six. We'll have correspondence from
right around the world, including Don and DeMaio from Australia
and correspondents from right around New Zealand. We'll have news
as it breaks and you can have your say by sidy.

(00:54):
We are a text. The text number is ninety two
to ninety two. A small charge applies. It is seven five.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
So it is Tuesday, the eighteenth of March, and the
Kremlin has confirmed that a call between presidents Vladimir Putin
and Donald Trump is being prepared for Tuesday local time.
Trump says he and Putin will discuss land, power plants
and dividing up certain assets.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Are we speaking to your president? Buttra Tuesday. A lot
of a lot of worksmen going over the weekend. I
want to see I we're cann bring that war to
an end. Maybe we can, Maybe we can, but I
think we have a very good chance. I think we'll,
you know, be talking about land. It's a lot of land.
It's a lot different than it was before the wars,

(01:42):
you know, And we'll be talking about land, We'll be
talking about power plants.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Meanwhile, foreign affairs ministers from across the European Union have
been gathering in Brussels for talks about Ukraine. EU Foreign
policy chief Kayak Kallis says Russia does not really want peace.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
We heard from Alexander Grushko, Russia's deputy foreign minister, who
said that a part of any sea spire Ukraine should
remain neutral and it should never become part of the
NATO military Alliance well. The EU's Foreign affairs chief at
a meeting in Brussels, Kayakaalis, said it was those kind
of conditions that show that Russia is not seriously wanting peace,

(02:21):
because essentially its conditions are just lists of its overall
war raims.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
And now an update on that horrific nightclub fire and
Macedonia police have deertained fifteen people after the fire at
the Pulse nightclub. At least fifty nine people were killed,
hundreds were injured. Many of those who died were aged
from fourteen to twenty four. There were devastating appearance gathering
outside the local hospital as the garment.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Of other quantity.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Why is the mayor not here?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Why didn't the mayor send an inspection to check up
on this club?

Speaker 6 (02:50):
I only had one child, one only one, and they
took it away from me.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
All good points. The Interior Minister pans Tooskovsky says that
detainees will be questioned and says there are grounds for
suspicion that there is bribery and corruption linked to the fire.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
Some of those have been brought in for questioning are
former members of the government and their parties are saying
that all they believe the government is playing politics with this.
They're trying to pin the blame on other parties but
not accepting their own layers of responsibility for this.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And finally, Japan is preparing missiles that will be capable
of hitting North Korea and China as things continue to escalate.
It is ten minutes after five.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens
and One Room, Make Your Property Search Simple News Talks
it be.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I was watching the TV last night and it was
heartbreaking to hear all the details of the Filipino worker
who lost his life when a fleeing car smashed into
him out of the blue. The man's name was Jessan Tumpas.
He was a tradesman and a father of three. He'd
been living in New Zealand for seven years. He was
sending money home. He was hopeful that his family could

(04:05):
come and join him. He seemed like a good bloke.
He seems like the sort of fellow we would like here.
And now that was hard enough from the start, but
just look, just imagine spending seven years away from your
children and your spouse in the hopes of building a
new life. That is commitment. He died as a twenty
two year old allegedly sped through the busiest streets of

(04:25):
South Auckland on the wrong side of the road, trying
to evade police. The driver of that car miraculously spared.
But for me, the hardest pill to swallow was his charge.
The charge did not seem harsh enough reckless driving causing
death and reckless driving causing injury. To me, it was
more than reckless. To me, it was intentional driving that

(04:48):
subsequently caused death. And I'd like to see a charge
that reflected that as soon as he made the decision
to run, and then as soon as he made the
decision to cross the line and drive on the other
side of the road, allegedly, he must have known that
the risk became extremely high of a bad outcome. Now,
the litmus test of a murder charge is when you

(05:08):
have intent? Was the harm intentional? Did you mean to
do it? Was death a high possibility? Was it premeditated?
To me? Drivers taking that sort of action may not
intend to kill, but they need to know that taking
such a step makes death a far likely outcome, including
for yourself. They need to know that choosing to run,

(05:31):
they leave the reckless driving arena and entered the most
serious harm stakes, and so I feel there needs to
be a harsher charge for those who think they can
outrun the cops, like some low rent Jason state them.
As soon as you decide to gun the motor for me,
you're a murder territory in my book, not just reckless,
the cound ridiculous. All right, it is twelve minutes after five.

(05:54):
It rained on me yesterday. It rained on me slowly,
It rained on me steadily. It did not rain heavily.
It was very pleasant. I didn't even get the umbrella out,
but boy, it was wonderful. It was like taking a
breath of fresh air. I swear I could hear my
garden sighing and drinking and growing. My camelia hedging, which
has been threatening to flower for a couple of weeks,

(06:14):
just magically burst into bloom yesterday because it was like, Oh,
you gave me water, I'll give you flowers. And with
rain sweeping most of the country today, there's going to
be a lot of people thanking the gods. A drought
has been declared in Northland, Waikato, Marlborough, Tasman Regions, Horizon
Regions and the government has pledged financial support for farmers
and growers. This extends the drought which was already declared

(06:36):
in Taranaki last week. Farmers are already feeding out because
of the state of the grass. Now we're in a
La Nina phase and the summer was predicted to be
wetter and windier. Now it was certainly windier ask a sailor,
but it hasn't been wetter, and that wind is just
as bad at drying out pasture. And with lar Nina

(06:56):
in place for a while yet, the chances of more
big dy higher in the next three to five years.
Now there's a little we can do about it right
except be prepared. But today, if it rains on, you
celebrate and dance in it. Fourteen alf to five. So
normally in local body politics you'll have a local body

(07:17):
party which is affiliated with the national party, and by
national party I mean a party that competes in the
national elections, but it's an affiliation. Very rarely does a
political party actually stand a candidate in their name in
the local body elections. But ACT has decided that the
scenario in our councilors is bad enough that they've got
to do it now. So what's involved with that? Is

(07:41):
it the right thing to do? Could they have just
had an affiliate? I don't know, which is why I'm
going to talk to Jason Walls about the whole thing. Next,
it's Newstalk ZETB.

Speaker 8 (07:52):
News and Views.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
You Trust has done your day. It's early edition with
Andrew Dickens and one roof Make your Property Search Simple,
You Talks. It'd be.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I've got to take through someone's like comedians and march
your kidding. I've never seen comedians between November and July.
It's a camellia hybrid. But it's certainly flowering on my
hedging now. It is seventeen minutes out of five. ACT
has announced that we'll have candidates in this year's local elections.
David Seymour says, with the way rates are going up
and everything, it's time to try something new. So News Talks.

(08:25):
He'll be politically editor. Jason Walls is with me now.
Good morning to you, Jason, Good morning Andrew. What do
they want to do in local government?

Speaker 9 (08:32):
Well, essentially, they want candidates. They have looked across the
board and said they don't like the way that rates
have been increasing in a lot of the main centers
across the country and they want to do something about it.
So David Seymour is essentially doing an expression of interest
to say, hey, if you're keen on becoming a counselor
for and you have the sort of same values as
the ACT Party, get on board and get in contact

(08:55):
with us. And that's what Actor is looking to do.
They're looking to bring their sort of war on what
spending from the beehive around council tables across the country.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, here's the thing. Should there be some separation between
local and national government? I mean, as Wayne Brown, he
believes the two are quite separate. But when you've got
a party competing in both, does it need to be
some sort of Chinese war or one?

Speaker 9 (09:19):
Well, I mean depends how you look at it. The
Labor Party have had local candidates for years and same
with the Greens. National traditionally hasn't done it. But I
think for a lot of the people, you know, people
know what Acts stand for, they know what Labor stand for,
but they don't really know what a local councilor stands for. Sometimes,
So having that demarcation and saying well, I know the
ACT Party is doing this in government, so therefore they

(09:41):
will do it in the local council. Will be helpful
for a lot of people. But then again there is
a reason why they're separate, because government is different to
local council.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Absolutely, And many of these people you say that Greens,
you know, they're affiliated with Greens and not actually the
Greens actually standing for instance, or labor at any of
that in that situation. So you know, this this is
a little bit could be seen as an overstep. For instance,
you know the cn I always used to have national affiliation,
but it was not national.

Speaker 9 (10:09):
Yeah, but I mean when it comes to the labor
in the Greens, that was a little bit more explicit
than it was ever with those sort of a national
party aligned local government movements.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, okay, And do you think that local government needs
a shakeup?

Speaker 10 (10:25):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (10:25):
I don't think anybody who's listening would disagree with that.
I mean, I'm down here in Wellington. My rate increases
like four hundred five hundred percent. Obviously I'm being facetious,
but it's still a large amount. I mean up in
Auckland we look at I think it was six point
eight percent for you guys with a bit of envy,
and I think anybody looking at some of the things
you drive down the road and you see some of
the projects that the councils are or in fact I'm

(10:48):
not working on, and they'll be thinking, well, actually, somebody
does need to step in there and do something about
some of this spending. So I don't think they're necessarily
not going to be successful. However, they've said that they're
not running for any of the mayoralty seats, so that
sort of is you know.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
I spoke to.

Speaker 9 (11:05):
David Simol yesterday about this and he said this is
very much a preliminary to see how it goes. So
maybe next election they can get a few more few.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, if you're interested, go to their website and follow
the development's Jason Walls. I thank you so much. And look,
if you need evidence of busy bodies council regulatory authorities
are holding progress back, look no further than Jimmy Kirkpatrick's
eleven story project for kadung A Huppy Road in Auckland.
This is an amazing building. It's built all of wood,
it's eleven stories, it's two buildings. Actually. Commissioners though, have

(11:35):
said no to its approval, citing heritage concerns, and I
wonder if they even went for a site visit because
it's surrounded by multi story apartment blocks. The mayor lives
in one of those maulti story apartment blocks. Jack Tame
used to live in one of those multi story apartment blocks.
It's on the edge of the historical buildings which have
already been preserved. Chris Bishop has slammed the decision, and
I have to say he's right. I mean, kadung Ah

(11:56):
Happy Road is a special road which is about to
boom when the l train arrise. But and we therefore
have to be careful to preserve its character. But we
don't have to be stupid. It's five twenty. Have you
been to the Gallipiti exhibition and to Papa? It's stunning.
If you haven't, don't worry. It's hanging around a bit longer.
That story is next twenty two our five.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Andrew Dickins on a billy edition with one roof, Make
your Property search simple, youth talk.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Zibby, big voice guy. He's everywhere now to Papa's Gallipoli
exhibition is amazing and it's shaping up to be the
most successful art exhibit in the country. And that's because
it's more than just an art exhibit. It's a history exhibit.
In twenty fifteen, Gallipoli the Scale of Our War was
intended to be on display for four years. It was
in twenty fifteen. It's still there. It's had four point

(12:44):
eight million visits, and now the museum has decided to
extend the exhibition stay for a third time, this time
by ten years, or until twenty thirty two. Kate Camp
joins me. Now Kate is a to Papa representative.

Speaker 9 (12:58):
Hell of Kate, good morning.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's so good.

Speaker 9 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (13:03):
I mean you've obviously seen it, and we know that
a lot of people in New Zealand have seen it
so many many times. One of the cool things about
Gallipoli is that people will come back. You know, if
they've got friends and family visiting from overseas, they might.

Speaker 9 (13:16):
Bring them back again.

Speaker 11 (13:17):
Or maybe they just kind of want to come and
pay their respects, because I think a lot of people
see it as a bit of a pilgrimage.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, the giant sculptures created by Wetter are amazing. The
question is why not make it permanent.

Speaker 11 (13:30):
Well, everything has a shelf life, and you might think
that something is as monumental as Gallipoli will last forever,
but the things in there are actually quite fragile, and
we've actually been surprised at how durable it's been. So
you know, we think that it's a realistic time frame
for us to be able to extend it for another
seven years. And you know, New Zealanders didn't know about

(13:52):
it before it opened, but they sure know about it now.
But there's also all those internationals who haven't seen it.
So probably about fifty percent of the people who come
to the happara from overseas and that may never have
heard of Gallipoli, but they sure come out the other
end knowing all about it.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
And you know, sorry to be unsubtle, of course you
charge the international tours. So this is a good money owner.

Speaker 11 (14:13):
Yeah, I mean it's so important for us to be
able to earn revenue. You know, if your guest bill
has gone up, you can imagine what's happened to ours
in recent years. So it's really important for us to
be able to end commercial revenue to supplement what we
get from the New Zealand taxpayer. So yeah, that's obviously
a really popular attraction to be able to keep those
internationals coming in.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
OK. I remember the very first time I walked in
and saw this thing with the giant sculptures and just
the exhibitor, and I was almost moved to tea as
it is an extraordinary thing and it's a good decision
that it's extended, and I'd like to see it somewhere forever,
somewhere close. And I thank you so much for your time. Today.
It's five twenty five. This is News TALKSB, the early.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
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Talks IB.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
New Talks B. It is now five twenty seven. It's
it's a bit easy to be negative these days. Times
are tough. Talk is cheap, and I know some people
think I'm a little bit negative, but I like to
manage expectations about stuff and realistically appraise things and not
get too carried away with rhetoric. But today, today I'm
going to praise the government and I'm going to be positive.
The surprise announcement that free trade talks between New Zealand

(15:19):
and India will start next month was to me great
news that I was not expecting. Light PPPs. It won't
be a game change a short term, but it's certainly
light PPPs a step in the right direction. The welcome
given to Christopher Luxen was quite a thing. There were
flags and billboards all over town that was rowdly welcome
from folk dancers. They were happy to see us. And
then the news that we finally will negotiate. We recently

(15:41):
battled them in cricket. India loves us and they know
we're already good friends. And look, the benefits for both
countries are going to be large. And for too long,
our need for dairy to be part of a comprehensive
deal has held talks back. But India is still a
way away from needing us in dairy. They have a huge,
but poorly performing herd of cows. I mean they're yield
as atrocious, but they are still self sufficient. And I

(16:04):
was reading yesterday the estimates of local production are falling
short for the Indian market in about twenty five years time.
Certainly not tomorrow. They don't need dairy now, they will
need dairy in the future. And I remind you about
the Chinese free trade deal which we sign but finally
got dairy included twenty years after our first agreement. So
this free trade thing is a long conversation and when

(16:26):
they need us, they need us, and there's a lot
more to India than just dairy. Space. Space is a
no brainer. India's already aiming for the Moon, They've already
been there. We have space, we have great tech. It
is another sector that we can benefit from India's expertise
to help our productivity. Our itt is atrocious and with
all eyes on Chinese expansion in the Indo Pacific region,

(16:48):
there are many reasons for a coastal relationship. That's why
Christph Luxen is talking right now at a defense seminar
in India. And if tensions were China increase, our manufacturers
will need India's cheap labor and on China, we need
to have India on our side, the same way we
walk the tight rope with America on Pacific security, and
we still have a relationship with China, So why will

(17:10):
we While we will always consider dairy as a cornerstone
to our competitiveness in global trade, we have often spoken
of the need to have some diversification in our export
markets and this deal offers us a chance to grow
and become broader based and with a bit of luck.
In fact, I'm sure of it, dare we will join
the ride as years.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Go by, Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
So it's a bit tough here, guess right. It's also
tough in Australia. Their budget forecast is bleak and that
comes from the government. Donald Tomato on this shortly. Here
are news Talks a week, The.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
News you need this morning and the in depth analysis
early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make your
Property Search Simple News Talk zibby the Boy two.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Welcome to your Tuesday. I'm Andrew Dickins. Infra ran Bridge
Text ninety two ninety two small charge applies. Allen says
there's shipbuilding in India. This is true, and we need
some ships. You may have noticed, looking forward to that announcement,
some people are actually tensing in and saying, what have
we got in common with the India? Why would we
trade with them? Well, ten percent of Awkan's population is Indian,

(18:25):
so I think we've got an awful lot in common
with them. Frankly, now, I also some people still doubting
the fact that my community they're hedging was flowering yesterday.
Started yesterday. I've been waiting for it for a little while.
Now it is a Japanese comeleia. It has flowers in
early autumn and winter, and my hybrid is in fact

(18:49):
an early flowering variety. So yeah, it is flowering, don't
doubt my word. And that flowered yesterday because it rained.
Now you're also going to hear an awful lot from
All Backs coach Scott Robertson today. He's done an interview
and he's also done a u turn on player eligibility,
you know the practice of only selecting players who are
playing in New Zealand for the All Blacks. Last November
he was saying that he would like to follow South

(19:11):
Africa's stance on selecting foreign based players, but now he
sees the reasoning behind our current position and he explains
it in a very special episode of Rugby Direct which
sees Elliot Smith and Liam Napier joined by NZR CEO
Marc Robinson and the All Blacks head coach Scott Raiser
Robinson for an exclusive and extended interview and they update

(19:31):
us on all the big rugby issues in the state
of the game, including his change stance on eligibility, but
they also talk broadcasts and sponsorship rights, the upcoming international
rugby calendar, and what success looks like in twenty twenty
five and who's catching their eyes in super rugby. It's
a great listen. You can find it on News Talks,
heb dot co dot nz, our website, you can listen
on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts. It's twenty

(19:57):
two to sixisco right around the country. And Callum Procter
joins the from Dunedan. Hella Colm Morning, Andrew st. Patrick's
day yesterday and it's fair to say it went off
and now we're seeing that it's all blamed on out
of towner is Yeah, look as they do.

Speaker 12 (20:10):
The students here mark the Irish holiday with pre dawn fireworks,
couch fires and burning a dead wallaby in Dunedan, so
just another day in North Dunedin. It's believed the animal
had been dead for a period of time beforehand. A
police on the whole generally pleased with crowds. There were
no arrests made, but they say the couch fires were
disappointing and placed unnecessary drain on emergency services. The Student

(20:35):
Association has been quick to blame visiting students from Canterbury
and Lincoln Universities.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
For the bad behavior.

Speaker 12 (20:41):
They say Otago students are okay because if they get
caught the police and the prop and know where they live.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
How's you where they're getting rain?

Speaker 12 (20:50):
We are, yes, unfortunate for the big cricket to double
head International in town today. Rain this morning, but it
should clear this afternoon, so hopefully we'll see some cricket
high today.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Fifteen good suff Of course here were joined us fro
Christ which how the clear Good morning. There's some people
who want their wealthy bins to be able to be
locked yees.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
So these are these wheally bin latches that the All
Power Hole heathcit Rivert Network trialed in terms of their effectiveness.

Speaker 13 (21:17):
Last year.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
They put them out into sixty three households. Of those
bins that overturned, eighty three percent reported that the latches
did successfully help to keep the rubbish contained. Now, the
city Council is going to decide at a meeting tomorrow
whether to look at spending one hundred thousand dollars so
on twenty five thousand of these locks. The important thing

(21:39):
here is that members of the public will then be
able to purchase one of those locks from a library,
for example, for about four dollars. This initial setup cost
of one hundred thousand would be funded through an already
confirmed curbside service enhancement fund.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
All right, how's your weather? Well hard to.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Believe after thirty degrees yesterday, We've got a rainy stant.
Today's southwesterlies become strong and a high of twenty two.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
The porthills will love it. We're off to Wellington now,
next talk. Good morning, Good morning. Council wants to make
more money out of airbnbs.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, that's right. The council is meeting today looking at
long term things, among them, yeah, making it more expensive
for locals to run airbmbs, which would also make them
more expensive to visit. I imagine these are short term
accommodation providers, as they're called. In the long term plan,
they would start being charged commercial instead of residential rates,

(22:30):
which would balloon their rates bills by three or four times.
They've been crying foul. A counselor as well has told
us he thinks airbnbs are vital for tourists and kiwis
visiting from around the country as well, who want an
alternative to motels and hotels. Councilors will vote later today.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
All right, now, I've heard really from Jason Wallas is
pretty windy and Wellington.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Spoiler Yeah, very rainy, very strong winds, especially this morning.
Gale Northeries events later giving up into the early twenties.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Never read him out. Who joins us from Walkanahellen either greetings.
So earlier we had former Port of Walk and CEO
Tony Gibson found guilty of a Steve DAW's death under
the Health and Safety Act. This was very big decision
actually on in turn right health and safety.

Speaker 13 (23:14):
Now he's appealing, correct now Stivador pala Amalcalazzi. He was
fatally crushed by a falling container. This happened in twenty twenty.
Gibson was ordered to pay a one hundred and thirty
thousand dollars fine and sixty thousand in costs. Well, now,
as you say, he's appealing, there are fourteen grounds of
the appeal and this includes for the conviction itself. Also

(23:35):
ground's questioning the severity of the sentence.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
So we'll be watching this. How's Awkin's weather?

Speaker 13 (23:40):
Okay, Well, we've got cloud increasing, We've got a period
of heavy afternoon rain and then that will turn into
just a mattering of showers. Still warm, very warm.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Twenty six is a high good South. It is now
eighteen minutes to six. So the budget forecast in Australia
is bleak. And I know we're always comparing ourselves with
them and how they are the lucky country and where
the poor guys, etc. But you know it appears at
bleak times everywhere. So we'll find out just how bleak

(24:11):
that forecast is. And that's from the Federal government. In
just a few moments time. Don Demayo joins us and
before six o'clock we're off to India. Adam Pears is
traveling with the Prime Minister, so he's seeing some incredible
stuff and he'll join us just before six. Here on
Newstalk CEB International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Feace
of Mind for New Zealand Business. This is coming up

(24:34):
fourteen minutes to sex. I'm Andrew Dickinson for Ryan Bridge.
So we're joined now by Donna Demayo from Australia. Hello, Donna, Hi,
you got a budget coming up. The forecaster is bleak
and that's from the Federal government and it's all because
of Cyclone Alfred.

Speaker 14 (24:48):
While treasure Jim Chalmers will hand down his fourth budget
next week, and it's now been confirmed that the era
of budget surpluces will officially end at that time. Now,
the government interestingly has been able to hand down to two
budget surpluses in a row, but a third one, well,
it's just not going to happen now. And there had
been some hope and it was based actually on a

(25:08):
week Aussie dollar which had increased revenues from mineral exports,
and that fueled this this speculation, I should say, but
another surplus, you know, could have been possible, but now
not so. Now mister Chalmer says that even though there
will be a deficit, it will be much much smaller
than what they inherited from their political opponents, and that

(25:30):
does show some progress.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yes, and taken Alfred he reckons, Jim Chalmers reckons, that's
a one point two billion dollar hole in the upcoming
Australian federal budget. So that's a big storm. But I
see also that the Australian Financial Review did an order
to the federal government and found that it has squandered
a four hundred billion dollar revenue windfall since coming into
office in twenty twenty two. So this is going to impact.

Speaker 14 (25:52):
Politically well noted, Yes.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
All right. Now we've got a woman who planned to
sell human toes urgitated by dogs at Melbourne. Tell me
the story.

Speaker 14 (26:03):
This is a truly revolting story, so there is a
warning there. But a forty eight year old woman has
pleaded guilty in a Melbourne court. She'd planned to sell
these human toes that had been regurgitated by dogs. She'd
been working as a ranger and an animal shelter. She
found the body parts of the dog's owner, who had
died of natural causes. Now the dogs were taken to
the shelter and the charge is offensive conduct involving human remains.

(26:27):
Now it's understood. She found the toes in a wheely bill.
She took them home. She put them in a jar
with formaldehyde. Now they called her that she discussed selling
the toes online and she thought she all she might
get about four hundred dollars for them. Police were tipped
off and she was arrested. She was a member of
a Facebook group that used to buy, swap and sell
specimens online. She did lose her job, of course. The

(26:50):
magister called it odd behavior. She could have gone to
jar for two years and she only got I'm going
to say only eighteen month correct order all rights.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
It is truly gross as well. I wonder if she's
got a boyfriend, or if she does have a boyfriend,
I wonder if he's a bit odd as well. And
I thank you for your time today. It is twelve
to six.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
So the big news is India and the Prime Minister
has met with India's PM Narendra Modi in New Delhi
and we'll be talking with Mike Hosking shortly. Of course.
The Prime Minister has been leading a delegation into India
this week and has announced free trade negotiations will begin
next month. And that announcement came as soon as they landed. Basically,

(27:37):
Tom McClay was already there. I mean he lives here
now basically, and this is great for lux and politically well,
at least he was thought so. So both leaders have
signed memorandums of understanding and key areas like defense, education
and forestry. And the New Zealand Herald political reporter Adam
Pearce has been traveling to India and has witnessed the
whole thing and joins you now, hello, Adam, good eye,

(27:58):
how are you good? Welcome for Christopher Luxem was quite something.

Speaker 8 (28:03):
Yeah, it certainly was. It's true what they say about
India being a bit of an assault on census when
you first kind of land. But no, certainly it has
been has been all go since really minute one. We
have had free trade negotiations confirmed as resuming as of
next month. I mean, it was really something that us

(28:24):
as reporters traveling with the Prime Minister, we were expecting
that as there was going to be an announcement that
was going to come towards the ends, you know, after
there'd been some talks and particularly after or at least
after Prime Minster Christoph Luxon had met with Prime Minister Mody.
So yet certainly set the tone for the trip. And
it's really continued with the meeting that we've had with

(28:48):
Prime Minister Mody today India time was yesterday in New
Zealm time, which seems to have gone gone pretty well.
The pair seemed to get on. They've spent quite a
bit of time together actually today with a couple of
events that ordinarily you wouldn't actually expect someone like Prime
Minister Modi to take part in. So you're good signs
for relux.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, absolutely, and he in fact, Christopher Luckson spoke at
India's premier Defense and Security conference today just a few
minutes ago. Really and this is the first time a
foreigner has been invited to address the conference. So how
big a deal was that?

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Yeah, well, not quite the first time that foreigner's addressed
the conference. Has been a couple of others, but it's
kind of it is primarily European leaders, so certainly significant
that we've got Christopher Luxon and the addressing, addressing a
crowd full of whether there's several heads of government, there,
a lot of foreign ministers. He actually gave a pretty

(29:42):
good speak was it was probably about twenty minutes talking
about New Zealand's relationship with India advertise there, how they're
looking to boost defense cooperation, but also how New Zealand
and how Christopher Luxon sees the world evolving, particular as
we see what's going on with the US and Donald

(30:03):
Trump's trade war, what we're seeing with China, and how
particularly in the Pacific moving in in area, so especially
with the Cook Islands, soul on the Islands, I think,
so really interesting to see his take on it. And
it's quite a forum as well, this is India's premiere
defense and security conference, and he held himself pretty well.

(30:23):
You know, sometimes lux And as we've seen, struggles to
can struggle to hit the right notes sometimes. But I
mean this was a big deal for him to take
on that role, big deal to take on that speech,
and I think he's managed himself pretty well.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
So going forward, what do these memorandums of understanding actually mean.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Oh, look, I mean you can put as much value
to them as you like, but they simply signal priority areas.
You know, so education as an obvious one, right, and
education has been one of the main attractions for news
On to attract people from India, you know, our quality
education facilities and you know areas like tourism, sports in particular,

(31:09):
very proud sporting relationship between the two countries. So you know,
it really just just does signal the way forward in
the priority areas.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And rocketry obviously in defense and also their space aspirations
and not dairy which you can understand they don't need
us now but they might need us in the future.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
Well that's the thing we've often heard from christ Re
Luxe in the days, you know, from from when this
trip started about how India's population is changing. It's becoming
more wealthy. There are more people entering that middle class
and therefore, you know, those those specific niche markets that
dairy can can access will become bigger, offering up opportunities. However,

(31:54):
you know the majority of the dairy industry here in
India small scale barming outfits and as we've known, but
ars negotiations have not been successful because they want to
protect market. So it will come.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Who knows when, Yes, exactly right. Derry came in twenty
years after the Chinese free trade dealer, and it will come.
They've got three hundred million cows and in India low
yields two liters of cow. We're at like eight. They
will need us.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
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Speaker 2 (32:32):
You talk Sippy.

Speaker 10 (32:33):
So you're talking to the Prime Minister Mike, I am indeed,
and so he as you've just been referring to as
met with MODI seems fairly bullish about that. So we'll
we'll find out what's going on there. He'll be with
this after seven.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Confixation with it, deary I understand it, totally, totally understand it.
But at the same time, how long have we heard
people going, we have to diversify our export markets. We
have to come up with more products, so let's start
there and then bring dry in later. Yeah, we can
do all of that, but the reality is we make
a lot of diary, and so if we were of
all the stuff we've got to sell, well, we have
a lot of cows and a lot dairy. Funnily enough,
we're talking to the dairy people this morning. They've got

(33:03):
a forecast. Normally, what happens, We've got very good, very
good year this year, ten plus dollars, and so normally
you have a good year, not so good a year.
But they're forecasting for next year, possibly even better, which
would break a twenty five year drought. So, in other words,
two very very solid years.

Speaker 8 (33:19):
In a row.

Speaker 10 (33:19):
What worries me is the break even point. I once
upon a time started looking at this, it was about
five dollars, and it's now eight dollars. It's over eight
and a half dollars, and so you need ten to
be making money. So that's a lot of We always
go ten and celebrate, but ten's rare and increasingly rare.
You need ten and it doesn't come in at ten,
and you need eight and a half just to break even.

(33:41):
That's you know, this is why you hear farmers bitching
and mourning all about interest rates and.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Exactly and inflation that hits the hardest.

Speaker 10 (33:49):
Well, we'll look about it and actor into the local
body elections, which are weird, weird called big call, big call,
which is you know, I always thought the taxpayers union
they have an affiliation with AGG. Then they're getting stuck
in from the rate payers.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
You're voting for local issues on national very good point.
That's what your pages make and I thank you, Projessor Kensey,
I thank you. I'll be back tomorrow. I'm Andrew Dickins.
Have a great day.

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