June 12, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Friday 13th of June 2025, a report from the Ministry of Justice is predicting our prison population to grow by 36% over the next 10 years, Corrections Minister Mark Mitchell shares his thoughts.
The Ski season kicks off this weekend, NZ Ski Chief Executive Paul Anderson tells Ryan Bridge what people can look forward to.
The US is "reviewing" it's AUKUS security pac, Former Prime Minister of New Zealand, Helen Clark shares what this means for New Zealand's position.
Plus UK/Europe Correspondent Vincent McAviney has the latest on the Air India plane crash which killed more than 200 people.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ryan Bridge on an early edition with Expole insulation keeping
Kimi Holmes warm and dray This winter news talks that'd
be good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You're on news talks have been credible pictures of this
and out of Indea, of this Air India flight crashing,
bursting into a ball of flames. More than two hundred
people have died and one British guy survives, filmed walking
away pretty much unscathed. Incredible stuff. The CEO, by the
way here India is a new Zealander. We'll look at
this shortly.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What else are we doing this morning? Vincent mcavinie in
the UK for us you'll have more on that. The
prison population about to spike. Are we actually ready for it?
We'll check in with the ski slope ski season kicking
off this weekend and is Orcus on the rocks the
agenda Friday thirteenth June first to take you to this
Air India plane crash. At least two hundred of died.
(00:54):
As I said, was a London bound jet had two
hundred and forty two on board total.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I was sitting at home. There was a loud noisey.
It felt like an earthquake. I came out and saw smoke.
I didn't know it was a plane crash. Then I
came here and then I found out and I saw
the crash plane. There were many bodies lying on the ground.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Here's the local police chief on that surviving passenger.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Very tragic and very very horrific, and even till now,
I have to say, I'm in a state of shock.
I can only think about the passengers, their families, what
they might be going through now.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The US to the Middle East is having its embassy
staff evacuated from Iraq because of fears about Iran. The
rumors are Israel's ready to launch an operation on Iran,
and I ran might strike back by hitting a Raq.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
They are being moved out because it could be a
dangerous place and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 7 (01:45):
But they are better.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
We've given notice to move out. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And Sir Paul McCartney has paid tribute to Beach Boys
frontman Brian Wilson, who died yesterday at the age of
eighty two. He says he loved him and that he
had that mysterious sense of musical genius that made his
songs so achingly special.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
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This winter News Talk, sa'd be.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He's gone eight after five year on news Talk said,
but we'll get to Halen Clark on UCUS. I mean
assuming that she will be happy about this, because she's
not a great proponent of it, not a great supporter
of it. Neither is Don Brash. We had him on
the show the other day and it could be toast
Trump's reviewing it with the America first lens, and we
know what that means everyone else. Second. This plane crash
(02:38):
out of India, a western India, a Madabad, it's called
it was. The airline is run by a Campbell Wilson
who's a Kiwi and we lived in Christchurch from christ Church,
grew up there. Used to work for Scoot, which is
if you've been on Singapore airlines there basically Jetstar subsidiary,
the cheapest subsidiary. He used to work for them, and
(03:00):
now he is the boss of Air India. It is
a big job and today he is a busy man,
as you can imagine because the requests are coming in
thick and fast, and he's trying to get a handle
on the situation of just looking at his social media.
The fascinating and sad part of this story is that
the whole thing's caught on video, as it often is
these days. But there's a guy that survives. British guy
(03:21):
that survives and just walks away from this plane, holds
up his ticket, completely unscathed ticket. You see the video.
The plane's flying low and then crashes into buildings, big
ball of flames. This guy walks away. Sad part. Reporters
have got to his family over in the UK. His
brother was on board and obviously he doesn't know where
(03:43):
his brother is right now. Anyway, we'll bring you more
on that. Vincent mcavinie on the show just before six
this morning, just gone ten away from Halling Clark next
the news.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You need this morning and the in depth analysis earlier
this year with Brian Bridge and ex Bowl installation keeping
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Speaker 1 (04:01):
This winter news talks, they'd be.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Good morning on your Friday. We'll talk to Helen Clark
on Aucust in just a second. We had some electronic
card data out for May yesterday. Core Retail sales falling,
spending effectively has been going sideways. This is despite all
the drop in petrol prices, which should be bringing numbers
down and therefore bringing these ones up. Retail down zero
point two percent for May versus April. Hospitality was up
(04:27):
point one which is good. Motor vehicles up the highest
two point six percent. That was the biggest increase. So
people going out and buying new cars. Why, I guess
the question is why are we're not opening our wallets
a little wider at this time? Why whilst some things
are still very expensive. You know, basic things are very expensive,
like your butter and your milk, aren't they? So people
(04:48):
are doing that also. People probably a bit hesitant still
about the state of the global economy, is still a
bit hesitant about old Trump. What's going to do next?
But cheaper petrol plus half your mortgages are for renewal
in the next six months and the rates are dropping
like flies, so that should help. Thirteen after five US
(05:09):
says it's reviewing the Orchest security pack between itself, the
UK and Australia all because it wants to make sure
the packed aligns with Trump's quote America First Agenda. What
does that mean for us, Helen Clark, of course we
are positioning on pillar two. Helen Clark, former Prime Minister,
is with us this morning. Good morning, Good morning, Ryan,
Good to have you with me. Do you think this
is actually he will Trump, that is, will review this
(05:31):
and change anything.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Well he might, Ryan. You see, President Trump has ditched
a lot of what President Biden did and he will
be looking at the Orchest arrangement with Australia in the
United Kingdom as a Biden initiative, So that makes it
very vulnerable. Also to note that the Australian Prime Minister
and the British Prime Minister who formulated this deal are
(05:57):
both long gone as well, Scott Morrison Australia and Boris Johnson.
So it's a new scene all round, and the United
States at the moment is quite unpredictable. Take for example, Australia,
like New Zealand, UK and a couple of others have
put these sanctions on the extremist ministers in the Israeli government,
(06:20):
and the US has come out and criticize that. So
it may be sort of formulating a line which says, well,
we don't want to do business with you anymore. Australia
in the UK on this because we don't like what
you've done on that, so it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Does this mean that you might end up actually agreeing
with one of Trump's positions.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Well, I've never thought that August was a sensible thing
for New Zealand to have anything to do with, because
I have a view we need to keep a much
more carefully balanced foreign policy. We have not been quote
an ally of the United States in decades since the
breach over weapons, and I don't see the advantage of
(07:02):
trying to get that status back. We've made our own
luck in the world, and quite successfully, so August Pillar
two would just be really dragging you back into an
orbit that you don't want to be in.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Should the President change, which will happen at some stage,
your view on whether we should be an ally of
America or not wouldn't change.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
No, not at all. Look, we need to be a
friend of America, even in its troubled state. At the moment,
it has been a great democracy. I hope it continues
to be a great democracy. We've got a lot in common,
you know, we do good business for the Americans. We
share a lot of values or have the moment that's
a bit unprotectable as well. But I would not want
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to see us back in the position when New Zealand
is expected to spend a whole lot more money on defense,
expected to follow the US into whatever its strategic adventures.
And I'm old enough to remember the Vietnam War in
New Zealand going into that not good reason at all
and limping out the other end was Kiwis that died
on the battlefield for no good reason. I don't want
(08:07):
to see us ever in that position again.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Hell In Clark, former Prime Minister, appreciate your time this morning.
It is sixteen after five yere on news talk ZEB
speaking of spending more on defense. The US is pushing for,
particularly for Australia and for the UK to up there
defense spinning, and both of them are but they want
you to get to three percent of GDP. You know,
we just got to two. I said this the other day,
and that NATO's asking for five from its members. Thank
(08:30):
god we're not in NATO. I mean, imagine how much
we would have to be spending. But the UK's agreed
to go to two point five by twenty twenty eight.
The US wants it to go to three. Australia says
it will lift to not to the three and a
half percent of the US wants. So basically the UK
and Australia not doing what the US wants on spending.
How does that factor into orcus you can imagine what
(08:51):
Trump's going to do with this. Seventeen after five News
Talk zemb ski Fields next.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
The first word on the News of the Day Early
edition with Ryan Bridge and x fol Insulation keeping Kiwi,
Holmes Warm and Drey this winter News Talk said, be good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Morning and welcome to your Friday. It's nineteen minutes after
five o'clock. Ryan, we're not spending at home. This is
in relation to card spending. I asked, why aren't people
getting their wallets out. There's some card data out from
last month, just showing there was a little bit of
a dip, Just so we want Ryan, we're not spending
at home right now, says Kim, because we've saved hard
over the past few years to finally get away from
(09:29):
a New Zealand winter. Listening to you from Sunny's Spain
this morning. Well lucky you, Kim, thank you for listening,
and I hope you're enjoying your holiday sounds like it's
well deserved. Good on you, Ryan, love your work. But
Helen Clark, please know more of her? Ryan, put her
back in her tomb, please, She's had her day. Think
about Halen Clark is say what you want about her,
(09:51):
but she was a very smart and competant leader. No
one towards the end liked what she did. You know,
she fiddled with your shower heads, and she stopped you
smacking your kids, and a whole bunch of stuff happened, right,
But she's at least thoughtful. She spends a lot of
time reading and knows what's going on, So I think
(10:13):
it's worth talking to her. That would be my defense
of Helen Clark anyway, especially if you're going to talk
to her about things like aid on Gaza. Because she
ran the UNDP, so she's kind of got a special
set of a specialist set of skills that only Helen
Clark possesses. It's just gone twenty after Fine, Ryan Bridge,
we're talking the ski season kicking off this weekend, and
(10:35):
joining us this morning is Paul Anderson. Paul's with n
zed Ski, the chief executive. Paul. Good morning, Paul, can
you hear me.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Year me.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh there we go, gotcha. So what's happening? How much
snow we got?
Speaker 8 (10:51):
Yeah, look, we're looking really good. Damn Queenstown at the
Remarkables and currenty peaks. We had a storm rolled through
late last week dropped about twenty to thirty centimeters in
our mountains. But more importantly, we've had a good eight
days solid of snowmaking and we've got some pretty incredible
snowmaking systems down here. So we've got up to a
(11:13):
meter of snow now on our main trails and looking
good for opening on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Fantastic. And what's the situation like with all of the lifts?
Are they all working and in good order, all that
kind of thing you're all ready to go from a
business in the side of it.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Yes, absolutely, We've had a busy summer getting everything ready
maintained and doing all our maintenance on our lists and
snowmaking systems and so forth. So we for day one
we're going to be running with top to bottom skiing.
Not all lifts will be open, that's usual for the
start of the season, but where we're going to have
(11:48):
a crone peak our current peak express, which means we
can get our skiing top to the bottom and get
all the way to the top of the mountain and
have some great scheme and similarly over its remarkables Kurvy
Express and the Alta Chairlift are both going to be running.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, and you've got because there's the expansion happening right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Look, that's that's work we've been doing. We've got aspirations
to push the remarkables over to the next valley in
the coming years. We've got an application and the fast
track process and working hard to make sure we can
get all those studies done and then towards the end
of the year.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Fantastic Paul Goodlick, How is the Is the fast track
process easy? Because it sounds like it should be easy
because it's got fast on the front of it, But
is it actually.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
It does well. Yeah, Look, the thing with the fast
track process is that brings all the hard yards up front.
So for us, it means we have to do a
lot of studies rightfully. So once you've got the information ready,
we expect it to be really efficient dealing with just
that one agency, the Environmental Protection Agency. So yeah, maybe
(12:57):
talk to me this time, the chair and we'll see
how we're going, but I'm hopeful of it. The signals
from the government are that they really want these projects
to get off the ground.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Nice one, Paul, great to have you on the show.
Paul Anderson, who's with us the Indian ski chief executive.
You're going skiing this week and have a great time.
Twenty three minutes after five year on News Talk s
b Ryan, Why wouldn't the rest of the world just
say to Trump, no, we don't want your tariffs and
then don't do business with them. Got to be better
than sucking up to him and eventually he will be gone, Graham.
We can't do that. I mean we send the US
(13:30):
is now our second largest export market for goods, overtaken Australia.
If we stop sending them there and stop getting the
receipts for them, then we all get poorer and we
don't have as much money for things like cell phones
to send Texan. It's twenty four after five News Talk Sebb.
We'll get to our reporters around the country. After news
Vincent mcavinie on this plane crash in India that was
(13:52):
London bound. All ahead, News Talk SEBB.
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Speaker 3 (14:02):
News Talks B. It is twenty six months, minutes after
five on your Friday morning. It's fair to say Christopher
Luxon's had a rough run at the top, is it.
The transition from CEO to Prime Minister hasn't been all
that smooth. Has Approval ratings have been way out of
whack with those of any predecessor. At the same time,
in their ragn think Clark, think Key, think Ja Cinda.
We hardly saw a honeymoon for him, did we. One
(14:25):
of the problems has been communication. You ask people and
they tell you it's hard to connect with him. We
don't really get what he's about. And then his loudmouth income,
the loudmouth coalition partners, they've largely filled the personality void
to his detriment. As a businessman, as a business executive,
(14:45):
you've got to be optimistic, eternally optimistic. You've got to
project positivity, and that positive, upbeat style has jarred with
the reality of our economy. The more he said things
are improving and this economy is turning a corner, the
more out of touch he sounded. Jacinda adin encountered the
same problem when she refused to call the cost of
(15:05):
living crisis a crisis. Remember that you lose the room.
It's a bit like trying to entertain a crowd of
Metallica fans with a choir bit of a bum note,
doesn't really hit, doesn't really land. That problem has befallen
Christopher Luxen until now. There's no doubt that this economy
is on the up, despite the car data going sideways.
(15:26):
We saw this morning. We're about to see another jump
in GDP next week as we get called to one
data out. It follows a positive quarter four data last year.
Treasury reckons the current year, we will see growth heading
almost three percent. Thank you to our exporters, Thank you
to global conditions. There is light at the end of
the tunnel, and you can feel it and you can
(15:46):
see it. Shops are busier than they were a year ago.
Manufacturing is on the up, the data says, so companies
are hiring. And this is massive for Luxin because it
means his rhetoric is starting to match our reality. It's
the missing piece of the puzzle that could well turn
his political fortunes around. Bread right minutes after five year
(16:10):
on news Talk said b still loads of texts about
Halen Clark. Helen Clark lest she was competent. You know,
no one's texted me in saying she doesn't know what
she's talking about? Are they? Which is what would happen
if we had just cinder on because you know there
was a little sort of know a few knowledge gaps there.
Now this has come out from the government yesterday. Operation
(16:32):
Gallant Phoenix. This is our operation that we join were
a bunch of other countries, including the US. In fact,
it's led by the US Joint Special Ops Command in Jordan.
It's an intelligence gathering mission in Jordan, and we have
just extended our stay by another two years out to
June twenty twenty seven. Foreign Minister Winston Peter says this
(16:54):
operation is essential to our commitment to keep a safe
and secure in New Zealand. What does that mean? What
are they actually doing? Well, if you look at what
they're doing, they're basically hunting and tracking former ISIS fighters.
So they all left the camps when ISIS split up,
all left the camps and where did they go and
what are they going to do next? That's what these
guys are trying to find out. Apparently they look at documents, data, DNA,
(17:16):
all sorts of stuff from the camps, try and track
where these guys are going to next. So we're there
for another two years. Vincent mcavinie after news News Talk ZIBB.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Ryan
Bridge and ex Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes warm and
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Speaker 3 (17:44):
B Good morning, twenty four away from sex year on
news Talk SAIDB. This Air India plane crash. At least
two hundred people have died. One British guy walks away
completely unscathed and survives it miraculously. There's a key. We
chief executive Air India is the business involved. Talked to
Vincent mcavney shortly. We're also going to talk to Mark Mitchell,
(18:08):
whose Corrections Minister about prisoners because we're about to get
a thirty four percent increase in them. Are we ready
for that? He'll be with us just before six, News
Talk said B. Twenty four to two, Ryan Breck Calum
Proctor interned for US this morning. Calm, good morning. We're
going to get findings. This is into the death of
Lucky Jones, the UI toddler who died in Gore.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
Yeah, corrector. Two police investigations so far found the three
year old accidentally drowned in the pond near his home
in twenty nineteen. His father, though has always firmly believed
he was murdered. An in question to the death was
held into cargo last year. The coroner, Alexander Hoe, delayed
the release of his findings last month. You remember that
was when police announced further investigative work regarding an allegation
(18:51):
made against the toddler's half brother, Jonathan Scott. Scott immediately
engaged a lawyer, requested an extension, and so here we
are today. The findings will be handed down today in Invercargo.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
All right, and your weather in Dunedin.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
Morning shows today clearing sou Westerlies and nine today.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Nice, I'm thank you clears and christ Church clear. This
guy who killed young Faeba sentencing today.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
Yeah, Ryan, Look, this feels like a story that's gone
on for some time for our newsroom. You'll remember that
Jan Feibao went missing and was found dead in July
of twenty twenty three. In December, Ting Jun Chao was
found guilty of murdering the forty four year old. She
went missing after the pair had viewed a home in Hornby.
Her body was discovered over a year later with stab wounds,
(19:34):
buried in some farmland outside of christ Church City. After
opting to defend himself during the trial, charles defense was
based on claims that the Crown evidence was simply made up.
He was, however, found guilty after the jury deliberated for
less than two hours. Today we'll find out what his
sentence is.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
All right, and how's your weather? Clear?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
More rain for christ Church should start to ease by
a bit later this morning. Southwesterlies at a high of eleven.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Nice one, thank you, and we're going to Wellington. Adam
Cooper is with us this morning. Morning, Adam Money, Ryan,
what's happened to Max? Sicky? No? I think day off.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
He's enjoying a weekend, probably lots of golf and other
bits and pieces. I'm sure he played golf, of course,
he loves it, loves it. It's such an old man.
He sounds like such an old man in any phase
golf right. Wellington Water is saying, so do the city council.
Is this for spending too much on pipes? They shouldn't
have what's it for?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Pretty much?
Speaker 11 (20:27):
You remember about three months ago those damning value for
money reports came out in simple terms, showed Wellington rate
payers we're getting badly ripped off.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Now.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
Wellington Waters executives met with the council yesterday, apologizing for
its lack of transparency and mismanagement, but insists it's come
a long way and changing its culture. CEO Pat Doherty
says changing the structure to have more accountability at the top.
They've cut back meeting hours and have changed the relationship
with contract to falls in Hogan. They're always they say.
They've already changed some stats as well. Water leaks have
(20:56):
gone down significantly. There were nine hundred and thirty six
in January last year, now just one hundred and forty
leaks around Wellington. But with a new water organization being
set up under Local Water Done well House, sould's set
to be paying around seven grand each year for water
by the mid twenty thirties, so it's not an issue
that one apology or a few broad promises will solve.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
All right, And how's your weather?
Speaker 11 (21:20):
Low cloud, occasional rain turning to showers this evening. We
got strong southeries and twelve degrees.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Cheers Adam have a nice day. It is just twenty
away from six neivas. Here wheels are falling off at
halfway through the show.
Speaker 12 (21:32):
It is right at the thirteenths.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I know, I didn't think of that before it happened. Hey,
a lot of texts coming in in the last couple
of minutes because you read the news at five thirty
Neva correct Hepkins going to Ireland says? This one is
that because Mallard is there, Ryan Wyner's Hipkins going to Ireland?
Can he not skype them? Do we know what he's
going for or how long he's going for? Or no,
we don't.
Speaker 12 (21:51):
I don't know how long he's going for. I was
too busy worried about more to do with the tap
as just before I read that, because did you see
that the water tap in the zb area in the
green room has been fixed. It's been broken for about
a week. The guys have come in to fix it.
I was talking to produce the glen because more to
the point, they've put up instructions and there's a button
there for sparkling water.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh does it do a sparkling now it doesn't.
Speaker 12 (22:15):
Unfortunately that's the problem. There was pushing the bars, and
they would hurry up and go and read the news.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
It's nice to know what where your priorities are.
Speaker 12 (22:23):
Well, yes, sorry, not with hipkins, with the sparkling water
that doesn't actually appear.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I hope he would where he will fly business class.
To those who are wondering, well.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
Will he do, they all did, well, he might go
premium way.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
He'll be going business there and it will be just
just a piss up, piss up with Mallard. Yeah, he
gets there.
Speaker 12 (22:42):
He's going to text you now, he's going to text you.
His people will get in hold of you.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Now.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
The water thing, there's been a situation here for a
little while and I had to say, I've gone without
no complaints, have you?
Speaker 12 (22:54):
But do you drink water?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Drink a lot of water?
Speaker 12 (22:56):
Well do you go over there? But you actually walk
over there to the to the a.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Little bit longer, but you just do it, don't you.
Speaker 12 (23:02):
Well, you see I don't have time. I have to
bring a big judge.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, no, that's true. You're busy.
Speaker 12 (23:05):
That's I'm busy. I'll way busier than you.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
How how's our weather in Auckland?
Speaker 12 (23:09):
Well more water showers so heavy thunderstorms? Hey or possible.
This practically thunderstorms every day here in Auckland. It's not
such a big deal.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
It's the new normal.
Speaker 12 (23:19):
It is the new normal. High seventeen. Neva, stay positive
for Friday the thirteenth. That's it the end.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Brilliant Thanks Neva, good to see you have a great weekend.
Nineteen away from six year on news talks there B
Vincent mcavanney, a UK europe correspondent on the Air India
flight shortly and we will get to Mark Mitchell, the
minister on the prison population going to jump thirty four
percent in the next ten years. Do we have enough
prison guards? News talks hereb. It is sixteen minutes away
from six. By the way, Neva has updated us on
(23:45):
the Chris Hipkins thing. Why is he going to Ireland? Well,
he's going for meetings with leaders and experts in Denmark
and Ireland, so he's actually going to be doing a
little European jaunt. It's look, do you know what it is?
It's winter and he needs some sunshine. Labor leader says
New Zealand has so much to learn from Denmark, which
successfully combines progressive social policy with economic competitiveness. He'll also
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visit Dublin. We'll hear from business groups and councils. Aka
go to the pub with Maillard. It's quarter to Sex
News Talks, it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
B International correspondence with insign Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Linton mcaviny is our UK Europe correspondent with US this morning. Vincent.
That incredible story of a sole British survivor from an
Air India plane crash that has thought to have killed
more than two hundred people.
Speaker 13 (24:37):
Yeah, that's right, this tragedy in India. A plane bound
for London's Gatwick Airport crashed just seconds after takeoff. There
were one hundred and sixty nine Indian nationals, fifty three Britain,
seven Portuguese and one Canadian on the flight and at
the moment it seems only one survivor, a man managed
(24:57):
to walk away. He was in seat eleven A and
somehow he doesn't know how himself. He has spoken to
the media now he survived. He was ejected from the
plane somehow and there is even footage of him just
walking away from this scene of devastation. The plane crashed
into a residential area, in fact to a college accommodation
for medical students and two hundred and four bodies have
(25:21):
been recovered so far from the scene. It has been
a huge tragedy. Thought that a lot of families here
in Britain affected because this is a popular route for
the British Asian community, particularly the people of Leicester. So
real tragedy in India today.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah. Absolutely. What about the situation with the UNI Nuclear
Watchdog comes yet around not actually complying with it's you know,
what it should be in terms of its nuclear weapons
or potential nuclear weapons. Then the UIs gets worried about
what Israel might do. Is this going to kick off? Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 13 (25:53):
The background of this is that there have been conversations
between Washington and Jerusalem four weeks we understand, and about
Israel wanting to launch a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities
because of their growing concern that it was not complying
with international rules, that it was enriching too much uranium
potentially to make a nuclear weapon. Now separately, the US, UK,
(26:15):
France and Germany are nineteen of the thirty five countries
on the Atomic Energy Agency who have put forward this
motion which have declared non compliance on its obligations and
we are understanding. At the same time, the US is
pulling out non essential diplomats and their families from embassies
in Iraq and Q eight because they are so worried
(26:35):
that Iran. If Israel does strike on those nuclear facilities,
now that Iran might take its revenge on the surrounding
sort of US targets. So quite a tense situation there.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Certainly years appreciate your time. That mik of any UK
europe correspondent time is thirteen away from six now, Ryan Bridge,
looks like we might need some more prison beads slit
stout building. Shall we a report from the Ministry of
Justice predicting our prison population to grow by thirty six
percent over then six ten years? Can we handle it? Corrections?
Minister Mark Mitchell with me this morning. Good morning, Hey,
good morning, Ryan. So will we have enough beds for
(27:06):
a twenty four fourteen hundred and two hundred, fourteen thousand,
two hundred prisoners by twenty thirty four? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So yeah, The short answer is yes. The Department has
already opened eleven four hundred and seventy two operational beds
and which is around two thousand more than Noptember twenty
twenty three and by the end of the year this
is expected to exceed twelve thousands. Twelve thousand as we
as we open up the new Wykarria prison that we
went and opened cut the ribbon on last week, and
(27:35):
long term we'll see the Wykiri expansion which we've committed
to and funded, and also the redevelopment of the christ
Church Prison means prison.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
What does the Waykaria expansion get us too?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
That's an additional eight hundred and ten, So.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Then we're at twelve thousand eight hundred roughly, so we
need another well more than a thousand. Is that what
christ Church gets us?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yes, so christ Church obviously delivers more. And then of
course we've got a also we're in the line or
it just the corrections are doing that stage and outstanding
job and ford planning, so it also means that they've
got a arm. They're also preparing for Auckland prism an
expansion there if we need it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
What about stars That staff's been a problem and it's
even as recently as late last year at Ramattaka Prison,
So how are we going to start at all?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
So we're doing extremely well on staffing the attrition level
has dropped from around fifteen percent down to less than
eight percent. There's been a huge recruitment campaign that we
ran last year which saw one hundred and seventeen zerous applications,
and as of thirty first of May twenty twenty five,
we've had an additional nine hundred and twenty five full
(28:47):
time equivalent staff deployed. So we're doing extremely well with
our recruiting, our training and deployment of new corrections officers
and so yeah, we've we're actually in a really good shape.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It moment, your cridits will say, Lot, you're destroying people
in the slammer and you're not actually solving the root
calls of why these people are offending in the first place.
It's the you know, these people that we will lock
away for longer will have kids, They'll have families. Those
(29:18):
families more likely once parents blocked away, more likely to
be committing crimes in the future themselves. I mean, are
we're creating a future disaster here?
Speaker 6 (29:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I think that we've been really clear that we are
focused on public safety. And under the previous government, the
only target they had around public safety was reduced in
the prison population by thirty percent, and we saw a
mess of increase in violent crime. So there are some
people that don't want to stick to the rules, that
think they're above the above the law, that are often
residibus violent offenders, and the safest place to put them
(29:50):
is into a correction system or facility, where then we
can start to work on rehabilitation and hope that they
rejoin society and make good decisions in their lives. Huge
human cost and economic cost to having these people in
the community, and we've been very clear as a government
that we're not going to tolerate that. The flip side
of it is is that we're doing a lot of
work around social investment to try and get into people's
(30:12):
lives earlier, for example, begins intergenerational and try and stop them,
try and reduce that pipeline of people coming into the
criminal justice system.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, we were telling about that. Yes, they hate lots
of texts coming in. Why are you because the the
cost of a prison like one hundred and sixty K
a year or something, Right, why are you giving them beds?
Is one person? Get the prisoners working on our roading infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Look, there's lots of different programs inside corrections, And one
of the things that I was really focused on when
I became minister is making sure that we're doing things
that actually give them real life skills so when they
come out, they've got a much better chance of reintegrating
and making good decisions, because we don't want to have
a mess of population in our correction system as a country.
But the reality of it is is that we've been
(30:57):
very clear that we're prioritizing public safety.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Do you think they the one the really bad ones
will be in there forever? Do you think they should
get heating and bet.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Look, there's some that there's some that people that just
are always going to do bad things, and it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Matter what you do.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I mean, at the end of the day, Ryan, it
comes down to personal responsibility and personal choices. So we
can line up the best rehabilitation programs in the world
until they actually want to engage with it themselves, until
they actually want to do the hard work themselves, then
you know we're going to continue to need prisons.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Mark Mitchell, their corrections, Minister, thanks for your time eight to
six News Talks. They'd be mic is up with your.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Next on your radio and online.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
On iheard Radio early edition with Ryan Bridge and ex
Fole Insulation keeping Kiey Holmes warm and dry. This winter
news talks, they'd be six.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
To six on news talks. We're getting scammed and it's
getting worse. Basically, the National Cybersecurity Center, this is the
government agency that looks after this. From January one to
March thirty first, one thousand, three hundred incidents were reported.
Seventy seven were triaged because they were potentially of national significance. Now,
the financial loss is seven point eight million dollars over
(32:11):
that period. That's compared six point eight for the previous quarter,
second highest quarterly total loss that we've ever had. Five
to six.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Ram Bridge, you'd never get.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Scammed, of course, Mike, because you don't really go on well,
I don't imagine you do much online.
Speaker 14 (32:25):
I'm scammed annually by the government. It's called the text rate.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well, that's we're all we're.
Speaker 14 (32:29):
Dealing with my account at that today. It's just you know,
it's just front of mind at the moment.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, you just don't answer any emails. That's the trick
to not getting scammed.
Speaker 14 (32:38):
You delete them instantly. No one deletes more than I do.
Every morning I get I get about one hundred and
fifty emails a day, do you Yeah? And every morning
when I come in here, So the first thing I
do is go click click click click.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I reckon, I get about what I've set up as
a folder where people who I don't like going to
a separate folder so that I don't have How.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Do you do?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
How do you set that up?
Speaker 15 (32:57):
I can show you. I just called my inbox, which
including say everybody. Basically it's on the don't like list?
What are you doing today? Something on prisons because that
FI Yeah.
Speaker 14 (33:07):
Yeah, they're going to have So it's one of those
classic things where they go, oh, we're going to have
X number of thousand more prisoners or x percentage more prisoners.
And when you work it out extrapolated out over the
four years that they're talking, all the ten years they're talking,
there's actually not that many more prisoners going to be.
You know, there's going to be fourteen with.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Us thirty four percent over ten years.
Speaker 14 (33:25):
Yeah, exactly, So work it out so it's a few
percent per year basically, so you don't need to build
some more to build that, you need to build some
more prison like what's.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Happened with and White a d apple where you've got that.
We were going to go triple bunking.
Speaker 14 (33:38):
What's wrong with that? Quadruple bunk and come on, it's
hard enough for goodness sake, we'll do that. Brendan Hartley,
you know Brendan Hartley. Lemont is this weekend, so probably
the biggest motor race in the world, and he's won
it three times and he's a favorite, so we'll talk
to him.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
It sounds like a great show, Mike, looking forward to
it on your Friday morning. Have a fantastic weeking and everybody,
it's been a good week. I'll see you on Monday.
Exkip what.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ryan Bridge on an early edition with Expole insulation keeping
Kimi Holmes warm and dray This winter news talks that'd
be good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You're on news talks have been credible pictures of this
and out of Indea, of this Air India flight crashing,
bursting into a ball of flames. More than two hundred
people have died and one British guy survives, filmed walking
away pretty much unscathed. Incredible stuff. The CEO, by the
way here India is a new Zealander. We'll look at
this shortly.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What else are we doing this morning? Vincent mcavinie in
the UK for us you'll have more on that. The
prison population about to spike. Are we actually ready for it?
We'll check in with the ski slope ski season kicking
off this weekend and is Orcus on the rocks the
agenda Friday thirteenth June first to take you to this
Air India plane crash. At least two hundred of died.
(00:54):
As I said, was a London bound jet had two
hundred and forty two on board total.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I was sitting at home. There was a loud noisey.
It felt like an earthquake. I came out and saw smoke.
I didn't know it was a plane crash. Then I
came here and then I found out and I saw
the crash plane. There were many bodies lying on the ground.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Here's the local police chief on that surviving passenger.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Very tragic and very very horrific, and even till now,
I have to say, I'm in a state of shock.
I can only think about the passengers, their families, what
they might be going through now.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The US to the Middle East is having its embassy
staff evacuated from Iraq because of fears about Iran. The
rumors are Israel's ready to launch an operation on Iran,
and I ran might strike back by hitting a Raq.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
They are being moved out because it could be a
dangerous place and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 7 (01:45):
But they are better.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
We've given notice to move out. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And Sir Paul McCartney has paid tribute to Beach Boys
frontman Brian Wilson, who died yesterday at the age of
eighty two. He says he loved him and that he
had that mysterious sense of musical genius that made his
songs so achingly special.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
News and views you trust to start your day.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's early edition with Ryan Bridge at expol Insulation, keeping
Kiwi Holmes ward and dry.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
This winter News Talk, sa'd be.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He's gone eight after five year on news Talk said,
but we'll get to Halen Clark on UCUS. I mean
assuming that she will be happy about this, because she's
not a great proponent of it, not a great supporter
of it. Neither is Don Brash. We had him on
the show the other day and it could be toast
Trump's reviewing it with the America first lens, and we
know what that means everyone else. Second. This plane crash
(02:38):
out of India, a western India, a Madabad, it's called
it was. The airline is run by a Campbell Wilson
who's a Kiwi and we lived in Christchurch from christ Church,
grew up there. Used to work for Scoot, which is
if you've been on Singapore airlines there basically Jetstar subsidiary,
the cheapest subsidiary. He used to work for them, and
(03:00):
now he is the boss of Air India. It is
a big job and today he is a busy man,
as you can imagine because the requests are coming in
thick and fast, and he's trying to get a handle
on the situation of just looking at his social media.
The fascinating and sad part of this story is that
the whole thing's caught on video, as it often is
these days. But there's a guy that survives. British guy
(03:21):
that survives and just walks away from this plane, holds
up his ticket, completely unscathed ticket. You see the video.
The plane's flying low and then crashes into buildings, big
ball of flames. This guy walks away. Sad part. Reporters
have got to his family over in the UK. His
brother was on board and obviously he doesn't know where
(03:43):
his brother is right now. Anyway, we'll bring you more
on that. Vincent mcavinie on the show just before six
this morning, just gone ten away from Halling Clark next
the news.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You need this morning and the in depth analysis earlier
this year with Brian Bridge and ex Bowl installation keeping
we Holmes warm and dry.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
This winter news talks, they'd be.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Good morning on your Friday. We'll talk to Helen Clark
on Aucust in just a second. We had some electronic
card data out for May yesterday. Core Retail sales falling,
spending effectively has been going sideways. This is despite all
the drop in petrol prices, which should be bringing numbers
down and therefore bringing these ones up. Retail down zero
point two percent for May versus April. Hospitality was up
(04:27):
point one which is good. Motor vehicles up the highest
two point six percent. That was the biggest increase. So
people going out and buying new cars. Why, I guess
the question is why are we're not opening our wallets
a little wider at this time? Why whilst some things
are still very expensive. You know, basic things are very expensive,
like your butter and your milk, aren't they? So people
(04:48):
are doing that also. People probably a bit hesitant still
about the state of the global economy, is still a
bit hesitant about old Trump. What's going to do next?
But cheaper petrol plus half your mortgages are for renewal
in the next six months and the rates are dropping
like flies, so that should help. Thirteen after five US
(05:09):
says it's reviewing the Orchest security pack between itself, the
UK and Australia all because it wants to make sure
the packed aligns with Trump's quote America First Agenda. What
does that mean for us, Helen Clark, of course we
are positioning on pillar two. Helen Clark, former Prime Minister,
is with us this morning. Good morning, Good morning, Ryan,
Good to have you with me. Do you think this
is actually he will Trump, that is, will review this
(05:31):
and change anything.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Well he might, Ryan. You see, President Trump has ditched
a lot of what President Biden did and he will
be looking at the Orchest arrangement with Australia in the
United Kingdom as a Biden initiative, So that makes it
very vulnerable. Also to note that the Australian Prime Minister
and the British Prime Minister who formulated this deal are
(05:57):
both long gone as well, Scott Morrison Australia and Boris Johnson.
So it's a new scene all round, and the United
States at the moment is quite unpredictable. Take for example, Australia,
like New Zealand, UK and a couple of others have
put these sanctions on the extremist ministers in the Israeli government,
(06:20):
and the US has come out and criticize that. So
it may be sort of formulating a line which says, well,
we don't want to do business with you anymore. Australia
in the UK on this because we don't like what
you've done on that, so it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Does this mean that you might end up actually agreeing
with one of Trump's positions.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Well, I've never thought that August was a sensible thing
for New Zealand to have anything to do with, because
I have a view we need to keep a much
more carefully balanced foreign policy. We have not been quote
an ally of the United States in decades since the
breach over weapons, and I don't see the advantage of
(07:02):
trying to get that status back. We've made our own
luck in the world, and quite successfully, so August Pillar
two would just be really dragging you back into an
orbit that you don't want to be in.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Should the President change, which will happen at some stage,
your view on whether we should be an ally of
America or not wouldn't change.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
No, not at all. Look, we need to be a
friend of America, even in its troubled state. At the moment,
it has been a great democracy. I hope it continues
to be a great democracy. We've got a lot in common,
you know, we do good business for the Americans. We
share a lot of values or have the moment that's
a bit unprotectable as well. But I would not want
(07:45):
to see us back in the position when New Zealand
is expected to spend a whole lot more money on defense,
expected to follow the US into whatever its strategic adventures.
And I'm old enough to remember the Vietnam War in
New Zealand going into that not good reason at all
and limping out the other end was Kiwis that died
on the battlefield for no good reason. I don't want
(08:07):
to see us ever in that position again.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Hell In Clark, former Prime Minister, appreciate your time this morning.
It is sixteen after five yere on news talk ZEB
speaking of spending more on defense. The US is pushing for,
particularly for Australia and for the UK to up there
defense spinning, and both of them are but they want
you to get to three percent of GDP. You know,
we just got to two. I said this the other day,
and that NATO's asking for five from its members. Thank
(08:30):
god we're not in NATO. I mean, imagine how much
we would have to be spending. But the UK's agreed
to go to two point five by twenty twenty eight.
The US wants it to go to three. Australia says
it will lift to not to the three and a
half percent of the US wants. So basically the UK
and Australia not doing what the US wants on spending.
How does that factor into orcus you can imagine what
(08:51):
Trump's going to do with this. Seventeen after five News
Talk zemb ski Fields next.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
The first word on the News of the Day Early
edition with Ryan Bridge and x fol Insulation keeping Kiwi,
Holmes Warm and Drey this winter News Talk said, be good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Morning and welcome to your Friday. It's nineteen minutes after
five o'clock. Ryan, we're not spending at home. This is
in relation to card spending. I asked, why aren't people
getting their wallets out. There's some card data out from
last month, just showing there was a little bit of
a dip, Just so we want Ryan, we're not spending
at home right now, says Kim, because we've saved hard
over the past few years to finally get away from
(09:29):
a New Zealand winter. Listening to you from Sunny's Spain
this morning. Well lucky you, Kim, thank you for listening,
and I hope you're enjoying your holiday sounds like it's
well deserved. Good on you, Ryan, love your work. But
Helen Clark, please know more of her? Ryan, put her
back in her tomb, please, She's had her day. Think
about Halen Clark is say what you want about her,
(09:51):
but she was a very smart and competant leader. No
one towards the end liked what she did. You know,
she fiddled with your shower heads, and she stopped you
smacking your kids, and a whole bunch of stuff happened, right,
But she's at least thoughtful. She spends a lot of
time reading and knows what's going on, So I think
(10:13):
it's worth talking to her. That would be my defense
of Helen Clark anyway, especially if you're going to talk
to her about things like aid on Gaza. Because she
ran the UNDP, so she's kind of got a special
set of a specialist set of skills that only Helen
Clark possesses. It's just gone twenty after Fine, Ryan Bridge,
we're talking the ski season kicking off this weekend, and
(10:35):
joining us this morning is Paul Anderson. Paul's with n
zed Ski, the chief executive. Paul. Good morning, Paul, can
you hear me.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Year me.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh there we go, gotcha. So what's happening? How much
snow we got?
Speaker 8 (10:51):
Yeah, look, we're looking really good. Damn Queenstown at the
Remarkables and currenty peaks. We had a storm rolled through
late last week dropped about twenty to thirty centimeters in
our mountains. But more importantly, we've had a good eight
days solid of snowmaking and we've got some pretty incredible
snowmaking systems down here. So we've got up to a
(11:13):
meter of snow now on our main trails and looking
good for opening on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Fantastic. And what's the situation like with all of the lifts?
Are they all working and in good order, all that
kind of thing you're all ready to go from a
business in the side of it.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Yes, absolutely, We've had a busy summer getting everything ready
maintained and doing all our maintenance on our lists and
snowmaking systems and so forth. So we for day one
we're going to be running with top to bottom skiing.
Not all lifts will be open, that's usual for the
start of the season, but where we're going to have
(11:48):
a crone peak our current peak express, which means we
can get our skiing top to the bottom and get
all the way to the top of the mountain and
have some great scheme and similarly over its remarkables Kurvy
Express and the Alta Chairlift are both going to be running.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, and you've got because there's the expansion happening right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Look, that's that's work we've been doing. We've got aspirations
to push the remarkables over to the next valley in
the coming years. We've got an application and the fast
track process and working hard to make sure we can
get all those studies done and then towards the end
of the year.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Fantastic Paul Goodlick, How is the Is the fast track
process easy? Because it sounds like it should be easy
because it's got fast on the front of it, But
is it actually.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
It does well. Yeah, Look, the thing with the fast
track process is that brings all the hard yards up front.
So for us, it means we have to do a
lot of studies rightfully. So once you've got the information ready,
we expect it to be really efficient dealing with just
that one agency, the Environmental Protection Agency. So yeah, maybe
(12:57):
talk to me this time, the chair and we'll see
how we're going, but I'm hopeful of it. The signals
from the government are that they really want these projects
to get off the ground.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Nice one, Paul, great to have you on the show.
Paul Anderson, who's with us the Indian ski chief executive.
You're going skiing this week and have a great time.
Twenty three minutes after five year on News Talk s
b Ryan, Why wouldn't the rest of the world just
say to Trump, no, we don't want your tariffs and
then don't do business with them. Got to be better
than sucking up to him and eventually he will be gone, Graham.
We can't do that. I mean we send the US
(13:30):
is now our second largest export market for goods, overtaken Australia.
If we stop sending them there and stop getting the
receipts for them, then we all get poorer and we
don't have as much money for things like cell phones
to send Texan. It's twenty four after five News Talk Sebb.
We'll get to our reporters around the country. After news
Vincent mcavinie on this plane crash in India that was
(13:52):
London bound. All ahead, News Talk SEBB.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
The early edition Full show podcast on I An't Radio
Now it by News Talks V.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
News Talks B. It is twenty six months, minutes after
five on your Friday morning. It's fair to say Christopher
Luxon's had a rough run at the top, is it.
The transition from CEO to Prime Minister hasn't been all
that smooth. Has Approval ratings have been way out of
whack with those of any predecessor. At the same time,
in their ragn think Clark, think Key, think Ja Cinda.
We hardly saw a honeymoon for him, did we. One
(14:25):
of the problems has been communication. You ask people and
they tell you it's hard to connect with him. We
don't really get what he's about. And then his loudmouth income,
the loudmouth coalition partners, they've largely filled the personality void
to his detriment. As a businessman, as a business executive,
(14:45):
you've got to be optimistic, eternally optimistic. You've got to
project positivity, and that positive, upbeat style has jarred with
the reality of our economy. The more he said things
are improving and this economy is turning a corner, the
more out of touch he sounded. Jacinda adin encountered the
same problem when she refused to call the cost of
(15:05):
living crisis a crisis. Remember that you lose the room.
It's a bit like trying to entertain a crowd of
Metallica fans with a choir bit of a bum note,
doesn't really hit, doesn't really land. That problem has befallen
Christopher Luxen until now. There's no doubt that this economy
is on the up, despite the car data going sideways.
(15:26):
We saw this morning. We're about to see another jump
in GDP next week as we get called to one
data out. It follows a positive quarter four data last year.
Treasury reckons the current year, we will see growth heading
almost three percent. Thank you to our exporters, Thank you
to global conditions. There is light at the end of
the tunnel, and you can feel it and you can
(15:46):
see it. Shops are busier than they were a year ago.
Manufacturing is on the up, the data says, so companies
are hiring. And this is massive for Luxin because it
means his rhetoric is starting to match our reality. It's
the missing piece of the puzzle that could well turn
his political fortunes around. Bread right minutes after five year
(16:10):
on news Talk said b still loads of texts about
Halen Clark. Helen Clark lest she was competent. You know,
no one's texted me in saying she doesn't know what
she's talking about? Are they? Which is what would happen
if we had just cinder on because you know there
was a little sort of know a few knowledge gaps there.
Now this has come out from the government yesterday. Operation
(16:32):
Gallant Phoenix. This is our operation that we join were
a bunch of other countries, including the US. In fact,
it's led by the US Joint Special Ops Command in Jordan.
It's an intelligence gathering mission in Jordan, and we have
just extended our stay by another two years out to
June twenty twenty seven. Foreign Minister Winston Peter says this
(16:54):
operation is essential to our commitment to keep a safe
and secure in New Zealand. What does that mean? What
are they actually doing? Well, if you look at what
they're doing, they're basically hunting and tracking former ISIS fighters.
So they all left the camps when ISIS split up,
all left the camps and where did they go and
what are they going to do next? That's what these
guys are trying to find out. Apparently they look at documents, data, DNA,
(17:16):
all sorts of stuff from the camps, try and track
where these guys are going to next. So we're there
for another two years. Vincent mcavinie after news News Talk ZIBB.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Ryan
Bridge and ex Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes warm and
dry this winter news talks ad.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
B Good morning, twenty four away from sex year on
news Talk SAIDB. This Air India plane crash. At least
two hundred people have died. One British guy walks away
completely unscathed and survives it miraculously. There's a key. We
chief executive Air India is the business involved. Talked to
Vincent mcavney shortly. We're also going to talk to Mark Mitchell,
(18:08):
whose Corrections Minister about prisoners because we're about to get
a thirty four percent increase in them. Are we ready
for that? He'll be with us just before six, News
Talk said B. Twenty four to two, Ryan Breck Calum
Proctor interned for US this morning. Calm, good morning. We're
going to get findings. This is into the death of
Lucky Jones, the UI toddler who died in Gore.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
Yeah, corrector. Two police investigations so far found the three
year old accidentally drowned in the pond near his home
in twenty nineteen. His father, though has always firmly believed
he was murdered. An in question to the death was
held into cargo last year. The coroner, Alexander Hoe, delayed
the release of his findings last month. You remember that
was when police announced further investigative work regarding an allegation
(18:51):
made against the toddler's half brother, Jonathan Scott. Scott immediately
engaged a lawyer, requested an extension, and so here we
are today. The findings will be handed down today in Invercargo.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
All right, and your weather in Dunedin.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
Morning shows today clearing sou Westerlies and nine today.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Nice, I'm thank you clears and christ Church clear. This
guy who killed young Faeba sentencing today.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
Yeah, Ryan, Look, this feels like a story that's gone
on for some time for our newsroom. You'll remember that
Jan Feibao went missing and was found dead in July
of twenty twenty three. In December, Ting Jun Chao was
found guilty of murdering the forty four year old. She
went missing after the pair had viewed a home in Hornby.
Her body was discovered over a year later with stab wounds,
(19:34):
buried in some farmland outside of christ Church City. After
opting to defend himself during the trial, charles defense was
based on claims that the Crown evidence was simply made up.
He was, however, found guilty after the jury deliberated for
less than two hours. Today we'll find out what his
sentence is.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
All right, and how's your weather? Clear?
Speaker 10 (19:54):
More rain for christ Church should start to ease by
a bit later this morning. Southwesterlies at a high of eleven.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Nice one, thank you, and we're going to Wellington. Adam
Cooper is with us this morning. Morning, Adam Money, Ryan,
what's happened to Max? Sicky? No? I think day off.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
He's enjoying a weekend, probably lots of golf and other
bits and pieces. I'm sure he played golf, of course,
he loves it, loves it. It's such an old man.
He sounds like such an old man in any phase
golf right. Wellington Water is saying, so do the city council.
Is this for spending too much on pipes? They shouldn't
have what's it for?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Pretty much?
Speaker 11 (20:27):
You remember about three months ago those damning value for
money reports came out in simple terms, showed Wellington rate
payers we're getting badly ripped off.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Now.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
Wellington Waters executives met with the council yesterday, apologizing for
its lack of transparency and mismanagement, but insists it's come
a long way and changing its culture. CEO Pat Doherty
says changing the structure to have more accountability at the top.
They've cut back meeting hours and have changed the relationship
with contract to falls in Hogan. They're always they say.
They've already changed some stats as well. Water leaks have
(20:56):
gone down significantly. There were nine hundred and thirty six
in January last year, now just one hundred and forty
leaks around Wellington. But with a new water organization being
set up under Local Water Done well House, sould's set
to be paying around seven grand each year for water
by the mid twenty thirties, so it's not an issue
that one apology or a few broad promises will solve.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
All right, And how's your weather?
Speaker 11 (21:20):
Low cloud, occasional rain turning to showers this evening. We
got strong southeries and twelve degrees.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Cheers Adam have a nice day. It is just twenty
away from six neivas. Here wheels are falling off at
halfway through the show.
Speaker 12 (21:32):
It is right at the thirteenths.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I know, I didn't think of that before it happened. Hey,
a lot of texts coming in in the last couple
of minutes because you read the news at five thirty
Neva correct Hepkins going to Ireland says? This one is
that because Mallard is there, Ryan Wyner's Hipkins going to Ireland?
Can he not skype them? Do we know what he's
going for or how long he's going for? Or no,
we don't.
Speaker 12 (21:51):
I don't know how long he's going for. I was
too busy worried about more to do with the tap
as just before I read that, because did you see
that the water tap in the zb area in the
green room has been fixed. It's been broken for about
a week. The guys have come in to fix it.
I was talking to produce the glen because more to
the point, they've put up instructions and there's a button
there for sparkling water.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh does it do a sparkling now it doesn't.
Speaker 12 (22:15):
Unfortunately that's the problem. There was pushing the bars, and
they would hurry up and go and read the news.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
It's nice to know what where your priorities are.
Speaker 12 (22:23):
Well, yes, sorry, not with hipkins, with the sparkling water
that doesn't actually appear.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I hope he would where he will fly business class.
To those who are wondering, well.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
Will he do, they all did, well, he might go
premium way.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
He'll be going business there and it will be just
just a piss up, piss up with Mallard. Yeah, he
gets there.
Speaker 12 (22:42):
He's going to text you now, he's going to text you.
His people will get in hold of you.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Now.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
The water thing, there's been a situation here for a
little while and I had to say, I've gone without
no complaints, have you?
Speaker 12 (22:54):
But do you drink water?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Drink a lot of water?
Speaker 12 (22:56):
Well do you go over there? But you actually walk
over there to the to the a.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Little bit longer, but you just do it, don't you.
Speaker 12 (23:02):
Well, you see I don't have time. I have to
bring a big judge.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, no, that's true. You're busy.
Speaker 12 (23:05):
That's I'm busy. I'll way busier than you.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
How how's our weather in Auckland?
Speaker 12 (23:09):
Well more water showers so heavy thunderstorms? Hey or possible.
This practically thunderstorms every day here in Auckland. It's not
such a big deal.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
It's the new normal.
Speaker 12 (23:19):
It is the new normal. High seventeen. Neva, stay positive
for Friday the thirteenth. That's it the end.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Brilliant Thanks Neva, good to see you have a great weekend.
Nineteen away from six year on news talks there B
Vincent mcavanney, a UK europe correspondent on the Air India
flight shortly and we will get to Mark Mitchell, the
minister on the prison population going to jump thirty four
percent in the next ten years. Do we have enough
prison guards? News talks hereb. It is sixteen minutes away
from six. By the way, Neva has updated us on
(23:45):
the Chris Hipkins thing. Why is he going to Ireland? Well,
he's going for meetings with leaders and experts in Denmark
and Ireland, so he's actually going to be doing a
little European jaunt. It's look, do you know what it is?
It's winter and he needs some sunshine. Labor leader says
New Zealand has so much to learn from Denmark, which
successfully combines progressive social policy with economic competitiveness. He'll also
(24:10):
visit Dublin. We'll hear from business groups and councils. Aka
go to the pub with Maillard. It's quarter to Sex
News Talks, it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
B International correspondence with insign Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Linton mcaviny is our UK Europe correspondent with US this morning. Vincent.
That incredible story of a sole British survivor from an
Air India plane crash that has thought to have killed
more than two hundred people.
Speaker 13 (24:37):
Yeah, that's right, this tragedy in India. A plane bound
for London's Gatwick Airport crashed just seconds after takeoff. There
were one hundred and sixty nine Indian nationals, fifty three Britain,
seven Portuguese and one Canadian on the flight and at
the moment it seems only one survivor, a man managed
(24:57):
to walk away. He was in seat eleven A and
somehow he doesn't know how himself. He has spoken to
the media now he survived. He was ejected from the
plane somehow and there is even footage of him just
walking away from this scene of devastation. The plane crashed
into a residential area, in fact to a college accommodation
for medical students and two hundred and four bodies have
(25:21):
been recovered so far from the scene. It has been
a huge tragedy. Thought that a lot of families here
in Britain affected because this is a popular route for
the British Asian community, particularly the people of Leicester. So
real tragedy in India today.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah. Absolutely. What about the situation with the UNI Nuclear
Watchdog comes yet around not actually complying with it's you know,
what it should be in terms of its nuclear weapons
or potential nuclear weapons. Then the UIs gets worried about
what Israel might do. Is this going to kick off? Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 13 (25:53):
The background of this is that there have been conversations
between Washington and Jerusalem four weeks we understand, and about
Israel wanting to launch a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities
because of their growing concern that it was not complying
with international rules, that it was enriching too much uranium
potentially to make a nuclear weapon. Now separately, the US, UK,
(26:15):
France and Germany are nineteen of the thirty five countries
on the Atomic Energy Agency who have put forward this
motion which have declared non compliance on its obligations and
we are understanding. At the same time, the US is
pulling out non essential diplomats and their families from embassies
in Iraq and Q eight because they are so worried
(26:35):
that Iran. If Israel does strike on those nuclear facilities,
now that Iran might take its revenge on the surrounding
sort of US targets. So quite a tense situation there.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Certainly years appreciate your time. That mik of any UK
europe correspondent time is thirteen away from six now, Ryan Bridge,
looks like we might need some more prison beads slit
stout building. Shall we a report from the Ministry of
Justice predicting our prison population to grow by thirty six
percent over then six ten years? Can we handle it? Corrections?
Minister Mark Mitchell with me this morning. Good morning, Hey,
good morning, Ryan. So will we have enough beds for
(27:06):
a twenty four fourteen hundred and two hundred, fourteen thousand,
two hundred prisoners by twenty thirty four? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
So yeah, The short answer is yes. The Department has
already opened eleven four hundred and seventy two operational beds
and which is around two thousand more than Noptember twenty
twenty three and by the end of the year this
is expected to exceed twelve thousands. Twelve thousand as we
as we open up the new Wykarria prison that we
went and opened cut the ribbon on last week, and
(27:35):
long term we'll see the Wykiri expansion which we've committed
to and funded, and also the redevelopment of the christ
Church Prison means prison.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
What does the Waykaria expansion get us too?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
That's an additional eight hundred and ten, So.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Then we're at twelve thousand eight hundred roughly, so we
need another well more than a thousand. Is that what
christ Church gets us?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yes, so christ Church obviously delivers more. And then of
course we've got a also we're in the line or
it just the corrections are doing that stage and outstanding
job and ford planning, so it also means that they've
got a arm. They're also preparing for Auckland prism an
expansion there if we need it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
What about stars That staff's been a problem and it's
even as recently as late last year at Ramattaka Prison,
So how are we going to start at all?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
So we're doing extremely well on staffing the attrition level
has dropped from around fifteen percent down to less than
eight percent. There's been a huge recruitment campaign that we
ran last year which saw one hundred and seventeen zerous applications,
and as of thirty first of May twenty twenty five,
we've had an additional nine hundred and twenty five full
(28:47):
time equivalent staff deployed. So we're doing extremely well with
our recruiting, our training and deployment of new corrections officers
and so yeah, we've we're actually in a really good shape.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It moment, your cridits will say, Lot, you're destroying people
in the slammer and you're not actually solving the root
calls of why these people are offending in the first place.
It's the you know, these people that we will lock
away for longer will have kids, They'll have families. Those
(29:18):
families more likely once parents blocked away, more likely to
be committing crimes in the future themselves. I mean, are
we're creating a future disaster here?
Speaker 6 (29:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I think that we've been really clear that we are
focused on public safety. And under the previous government, the
only target they had around public safety was reduced in
the prison population by thirty percent, and we saw a
mess of increase in violent crime. So there are some
people that don't want to stick to the rules, that
think they're above the above the law, that are often
residibus violent offenders, and the safest place to put them
(29:50):
is into a correction system or facility, where then we
can start to work on rehabilitation and hope that they
rejoin society and make good decisions in their lives. Huge
human cost and economic cost to having these people in
the community, and we've been very clear as a government
that we're not going to tolerate that. The flip side
of it is is that we're doing a lot of
work around social investment to try and get into people's
(30:12):
lives earlier, for example, begins intergenerational and try and stop them,
try and reduce that pipeline of people coming into the
criminal justice system.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, we were telling about that. Yes, they hate lots
of texts coming in. Why are you because the the
cost of a prison like one hundred and sixty K
a year or something, Right, why are you giving them beds?
Is one person? Get the prisoners working on our roading infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Look, there's lots of different programs inside corrections, And one
of the things that I was really focused on when
I became minister is making sure that we're doing things
that actually give them real life skills so when they
come out, they've got a much better chance of reintegrating
and making good decisions, because we don't want to have
a mess of population in our correction system as a country.
But the reality of it is is that we've been
(30:57):
very clear that we're prioritizing public safety.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Do you think they the one the really bad ones
will be in there forever? Do you think they should
get heating and bet.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Look, there's some that there's some that people that just
are always going to do bad things, and it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Matter what you do.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I mean, at the end of the day, Ryan, it
comes down to personal responsibility and personal choices. So we
can line up the best rehabilitation programs in the world
until they actually want to engage with it themselves, until
they actually want to do the hard work themselves, then
you know we're going to continue to need prisons.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Mark Mitchell, their corrections, Minister, thanks for your time eight to
six News Talks. They'd be mic is up with your.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Next on your radio and online.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
On iheard Radio early edition with Ryan Bridge and ex
Fole Insulation keeping Kiey Holmes warm and dry. This winter
news talks, they'd be six.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
To six on news talks. We're getting scammed and it's
getting worse. Basically, the National Cybersecurity Center, this is the
government agency that looks after this. From January one to
March thirty first, one thousand, three hundred incidents were reported.
Seventy seven were triaged because they were potentially of national significance. Now,
the financial loss is seven point eight million dollars over
(32:11):
that period. That's compared six point eight for the previous quarter,
second highest quarterly total loss that we've ever had. Five
to six.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Ram Bridge, you'd never get.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Scammed, of course, Mike, because you don't really go on well,
I don't imagine you do much online.
Speaker 14 (32:25):
I'm scammed annually by the government. It's called the text rate.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well, that's we're all we're.
Speaker 14 (32:29):
Dealing with my account at that today. It's just you know,
it's just front of mind at the moment.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, you just don't answer any emails. That's the trick
to not getting scammed.
Speaker 14 (32:38):
You delete them instantly. No one deletes more than I do.
Every morning I get I get about one hundred and
fifty emails a day, do you Yeah? And every morning
when I come in here, So the first thing I
do is go click click click click.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I reckon, I get about what I've set up as
a folder where people who I don't like going to
a separate folder so that I don't have How.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Do you do?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
How do you set that up?
Speaker 15 (32:57):
I can show you. I just called my inbox, which
including say everybody. Basically it's on the don't like list?
What are you doing today? Something on prisons because that
FI Yeah.
Speaker 14 (33:07):
Yeah, they're going to have So it's one of those
classic things where they go, oh, we're going to have
X number of thousand more prisoners or x percentage more prisoners.
And when you work it out extrapolated out over the
four years that they're talking, all the ten years they're talking,
there's actually not that many more prisoners going to be.
You know, there's going to be fourteen with.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Us thirty four percent over ten years.
Speaker 14 (33:25):
Yeah, exactly, So work it out so it's a few
percent per year basically, so you don't need to build
some more to build that, you need to build some
more prison like what's.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Happened with and White a d apple where you've got that.
We were going to go triple bunking.
Speaker 14 (33:38):
What's wrong with that? Quadruple bunk and come on, it's
hard enough for goodness sake, we'll do that. Brendan Hartley,
you know Brendan Hartley. Lemont is this weekend, so probably
the biggest motor race in the world, and he's won
it three times and he's a favorite, so we'll talk
to him.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
It sounds like a great show, Mike, looking forward to
it on your Friday morning. Have a fantastic weeking and everybody,
it's been a good week. I'll see you on Monday.
Exkip what.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
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