July 1, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Wednesday the 2nd of July 2025, the government introduces tougher penalties for crime, Woolworths director of retail Jason Stockill shares his thoughts.
Quite a few of New Zealand's libraries either already have or are open to stocking books written by AI authors, Laura Marshall from the library and information association tells Ryan Bridge what this means.
We’ve got fresh warnings this morning of reputational damage to our defence force if planned cost-cutting goes ahead, Hayden Ricketts retired Lieutenant Colonel from Mission Homefront, tells Ryan Bridge where the issue lies.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Bridge on
early edition with ex Pole insulation, Keeping Kimi Holmes warm
and try this winter News Talks, they'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning at a six a half to five. Great
to have your company coming up on the show this
morning before six fines for shoplifting. How will they actually work?
And practice? Will speak to Wilworst about that heat wave
in Europe. Big heat wave in Europe. Gavin gray Are,
UK Europe correspondent. The schools closed, eighteen hundred schools closed
in France overnight. Libraries here are ordering AI books, that is,
(00:34):
books authored by AI in the library, which we will
apparently then rent. Spending cuts for defense? How do you
marry up spending cuts for defense with the massive announcements
of billions and billions and squillions of dollars going towards defense.
We'll look at that in about ten minutes time here
on News Talks.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
He'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
The agenda Wednesday, the second of July. After ours of stalemate,
US senators have now passed Trump's big beautiful bill. Now
it faces another tough fight in the House that goes
back to the House. Meanwhile, Musk Trump back at it.
Musk says he might run against Trump at the next election.
We might have to put those Elan Belji's the monster
(01:15):
that has that might have to go back and eat eline.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Would't that be fair about now?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Petonteg Shinawat. This is Thailand's Constitutional Court has suspended the
Prime Minister, who has come under mounting pressure to resign
over a leaked phone call with the former Cambodian leader.
Pultn't send the clip in which she called him uncle
and criticized the taime military commander spike public anger and
outrage in a petition for her dismissal.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
She has responded saying she'll accept the judgment of the court.
She said she was only doing what she thought was
in the best interests of the country, but she has
fifteen days to present her case and she has confidence
that the court will understand.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The spectacle in New York City over the Diddy trial continues.
A load of influencers and live streamers have spent weeks
live streaming outside of the courthouse to their fans, and
this continues this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
We do want to get closer and understand what this
case is going to be, you know, I mean, what
is it going to wrap up to be how.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Many followers did you have at the start of this
and versus how many you have now?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I had about maybe like five thousand or soul right
now I got about sixteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Brian Bridge on the early edition with expol insulation keeping
chili O's warm and dry this winter news talks.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That'd be yeah, interesting, that, isn't it. I mean, that's
pretty much what journalists would have done, you know, in
the good old days. I suppose stand outside of a
court and report on what's going on inside there. That
would be the job of a journalist. But now it's
live streamers. That's just the way the world goes, I suppose,
isn't it. Hey, great news yesterday. This is for Skyline Enterprises,
(02:53):
and I just think it's we're at that time in
the economic cycle you have to stop and take the
wins and not blow them up, but you you've got
to glow up the wins. I think, so we'll do
a bit of that this morning. This is the gondola
luge operator. Skyline Enterprise is doubling its pre tax profit.
(03:13):
Strong tourism rebound in Queenstown.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I know that hasn't gone everywhere, but you've got to,
as I say, take the wins where you can get them.
So overall, a profit before tax more than doubling, rising
to twenty eight point seven million dollars last year. So
from twenty eight point seven last year to sixty one
million in twenty twenty five. Domestic operations this is interesting
because they've got gondolas and loges and places like Japan.
(03:39):
But domestic operations recording total revenue of one hundred and
seventeen million dollars for the year, up nineteen percent on
twenty twenty four. One point four million gondola trips in
New Zealand and three point two million on the louge.
That's spread across both Rotru and Queenstown. So that's great news.
And I'll update you. We had another business confidence survey out,
(04:01):
so I looked at you on that shortly just gone
ten minutes after five. Now coming up next to the
defense force. So on the one hand, we're getting told
billions going into defense, don't worry about it. On the
other hand, we're hearing about a hundred billion dollars in cuts.
So how does that marry out one hundred million, I
should say, and cuts? How does that marry out. We'll
look at it next.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Ryan Bridge and X full insulation keeping Kiwi
Holmes warm and dry this winter.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
News Talks B five after five on News Talks there
b Ryan, I reckon shoplifting will increase even though the
government's making these changes. No risk of jail or conviction.
How much is the fine? I'm curious there is actually
to this text that there is the risk of longer
prison sentences theft. The maximum penalty will be one year
(04:52):
in prison if the value is less than two thousand dollars.
Two thousand dollars or less in value of items stolen,
the fine will be up to five hundred dollars. If
the value of the stolen goods was below five hundred dollars.
So presumably if somebody steals something worth three hundred dollars,
you could find them three hundred dollars I'm assuming, So
up to five hundred, you get up to five hundred. Now,
(05:15):
anything one thousand dollars is up to one thousand dollars
if the stolen goods were worth more than five hundred dollars,
so you'd almost be better off stealing something worth fifteen
hundred dollars. But of course then you get yourself into
further trouble with the potential for an ankle bracelet or
(05:35):
time and the slammer. Thirteen after five, We've got fresh
warnings this morning of reputational damage to our Defense Force
of planned cost cutting goes ahead the PSA. This is
the Union sounding the alarm after the Defense Force revealed
one hundred and thirty million dollar budget shortfall for twenty
four to twenty five and a letter to the union.
The Defense Force confirmed it's already scraped together one hundred
(05:56):
million dollars in savings, but says more enduring cuts maybe
needed to be locked in because not everything can be reversed.
Hayden Ricketts is retired lieutenant colonel at Mission Home Front
with US this morning. Hayden, good morning, Yeah, good morning, Royan.
How can you just explain this. We're hearing about billions
of dollars going into the Defense Force, biggest investment ever,
(06:18):
doubling to two percent of GDP. How why are we
talking about cuts?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
There is a really good question, Ryan. Against the context
of twelve billion dollar investment over the next four years,
it would appear that cutting the civilian workforce right at
the moment would not be the right thing to do.
If we paint the context as it alluded to, one
hundred and thirty million dollars was meant to be saved.
They found one hundred from internal savings, leaving about thirty. Now,
(06:46):
when the PSA kicked us off in sort of like
Tober last year, the Defense forces know there's three hundred
and seventy four positions which we're going to be cut
or acts. And actual fact is there's eighty people that
are looking at being effected of losing their jobs. And
that's significant for eighty people. But the money they're going
to save from cutting those eighty people isn't going to
be the money that they want to save. The stock
the juice is not going to be worth to squeeze
(07:07):
on this one. If you have a look at the
amount of money that's coming down the investment pipeline, the
Defense Force is going to need people in the staff
areas to do the introduction to service, to do the
staff work, to do the business cases in the papers
for cabinet for that money. Yes, now, in some cases
the people they're looking at cutting are the people that
do that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Work well, do both We know that the dreat rest
of squeeze, But do we know that Hayden, because the
defense forces come out and said they are not telling
us specifically what's being cut, So how do we know
they're cutting the bits will need down the track.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Or if you can do maths, you need more people
to do more work. You've got more investment coming down
the pipeline. So it doesn't follow that you cut your
personnel workforce at the time when you need them to
do their investments.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, but not everybody's going to be doing worthwhile stuff.
I mean did the Defense force? The civilian arm I'm
talking about here is like any other department has people
doing things that actually aren't important, you know, So are
there people doing unimportant things that we're getting rid of?
And the answer is we just we don't really know.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
No. So on the uniform side, the armies short of
a thousand people from the mandated number of fifty one
fifty or five thousand. Air Force is short by two
hundred and fifty, Navy short by a similar amount. We've
seen what happens when people when there's not enough suitably
qualified and experienced people to do the work. You think ships.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So to suggest that there are.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
People in there that aren't doing the right work, I
think that's that's a preposterous statement and quite insulting. And
if there's any reputational damage that comes to the Defense Force,
it's from people making statements like that. Have a look
at what our Defense Force is doing in the Indian
Ocean with the deployment of Takaha. We've just deployed more
Defense Force people to Nelson to help out.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
The force helps out, But these people are no no, no, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
No that I'm not talking about the Defense Force personnel
who are being deployed to these as. I'm talking about well,
you know pen pushes in Wellington? Is there is there
is there a problem with the back office in Wellington
because that is what the government says that they're trying
to where they're trying to shift the money from.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
So those policy statements came out from the previous government.
Remember the large back office cuts that got made to
the public sector. These decisions got made under that context
in October last year. But has the situation changed, I
would argue yes, it has. Is the global security environment changes,
as we've seen ships in the tesmen sea as we've
shunk our own ships on a good day in the
(09:36):
long place in the SOUTHUA specific now we're going to
need people to do that to support these investments. And
right now that the context has changed, the situation has changed,
and I don't think the juice is worth to squeeze
on these particular work for savings.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, all right, howdn't appreciate your perspective this morning. Hayden Ricketts,
a retired lieutenant colonel, Mission Home Front on cuts to
to what the government says are back office rolls at NZDF.
It's just gone eighteen minutes after five. News talk s
head be coming up next. We're talking while we get
to our reporters after half five. Also, Kim Jong Un
(10:12):
potentially finally acknowledging the fact that some of his troops
have gone to Russia.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That story ahead, Get ahead of the headlines on a
bary edition with Ryan Branch and x Fole Insulation keeping
Kiwi Holmes warm and dry this winter News Talks a'd.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Be five twenty on News Talk s headb so in.
This is a Wall Street Journal report saying that for
the first time, Kim Jong un has publicly at least
appeared to publicly acknowledge the fact that North Korean troops
have been fighting alongside the Russians in Ukraine. There have
been some coffins returned, and at the pyeong Yang Gala
there was a performance and photographs showed Kim wearing a
(10:51):
winter jacket Morning Soldiers and standing among a row of
caskets that appeared to be placed at the airport tarmac.
Kim was photograph placing both hands on top of the caskets,
straight with North Korea's red, blue and white national flag.
He never acknowledged the fact that their troops were going
to help the Russians until now twenty one after five.
(11:11):
Bryan Bridge, if you listen to the show yesterday, you
know I talked a lot about AI and AI taking
over our lives and taking over our jobs. Well here's
another prime example of this. Turns out quite a few
New Zealand's Live of New Zealand's libraries either already have
or are open to stocking books written by AI authors.
Laura Marshall is the executive director at Library and Information
(11:34):
Association New Zealand. Laura, good morning, Good morning, Ryan. Is
do you know of any AI written books in libraries yourself.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Yes, there are a few, but from our experience and
talking to library managers, there's not that many.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
There's only a couple.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
There's only a couple of supplies that even provide them
in New Zealand. So I don't believe that there is
many with the New Zealand libraries.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yet would you read one?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I'd probably read one just to see what it was like.
But to be honest, I think they're just an interpretation
of our thoughts. I think it's just a good copy.
So I'm not really that interested in exploring the long term,
but I'd probably read one just to see what it
was like.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
This is the problem, though, What if you read it
and it's good? You know? I mean, is that a
little bit scary that thought?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
To be honest, when I use AI myself, it's interpreting
my thoughts, but it never comes out perfect, and it's
never enough to entice me to think that it could
replace myself or we give it the information. I don't
truly believe that AI could tell our stories. Especially in
New Zealand, we have very next stories. You have people's experiences.
(12:47):
That's doing. It's just interpreting those stories and that information
and I don't believe that it can really do that very.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well yet does AI? Well, I mean, I suppose the
Internet generally. Sometimes I'm surprised libraries are still going. But
then but then I walked past them and they are full.
So how do you explain that with the Internet.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So libraries are also community hubs. They are places to
meet people. It's places to go to community programs, it's
places to interact. They really are quite.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
An amazing ecosystem.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
They also reflect the community, So they're an amazing place.
But believe it or not, issues and library that are
actually going out. Just because someone's reading a book online
or on their iPad, it doesn't mean they're not reading.
So issues are just going through the through the roofs.
Libraries have never been more successful. They're just an amazing ecosystem,
an amazing place, and I don't think AI and the
(13:41):
Internet is going to turn that around.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, interesting, What about if there's a book that's written
by AI that's really good and that people want, like,
you know, there's people are asking it reception, whatever do
you think do you think her libraries should provide it?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Yes, libraries usually do stock customer requests and it comes
down to how many times a book is issued. No,
I doubt they're going to fill an entire library full
of AI written books. And if we had this conversation
in five years, Ryan, I doubt there would be that
many books that we'd been good enough to pass the
test to get into the library. But yes, we do
respond to the public as well. We have to respond
(14:20):
to what people want to read. And I also believe
that if you're reading anything, it's better than reading nothing,
getting into the habit of literacy and reading a book,
so better than better than nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah. Absolutely, Hey, Laura, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks
coming on the show. Laura Marshall, Library and Information Association
of New Zealand, Thank you very much. I would happily
watch an AI curated directed movie, happily do that. I'm
genuinely open to reading a book too. I mean, if
(14:51):
you had if you just put a fake name and
didn't tell me it was AI, would you even would
I even know? You know, and if it's been proofed
and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, I don't know. Movies,
I feel what would be a lot more open to books,
Maybe not so much. Twenty five after five News Talks
VB the early.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
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Speaker 2 (15:13):
News TALKSB It is five twenty seven. You know immediately
when something makes good political sense. You can usually tell
not by listening to the minister announce it, but by
listening to the opposition oppose it. Crime is the topic
juju this week, of course, and it's one of National's strongest,
biggest levers. It's got to pull. It's one of the
(15:36):
few election issues on which they outpoll Labor, so it's
no wonder that they've pulled out all the stops this
after a few weeks of some shaky polling and being
on the defense. The problem for Labor with crime quite simple.
No one trusts them. The facts are as follows. Crime
went nuts, Labour's policy reduced prison population, which is what
(15:58):
makes this such a hard slot, a hard week for Labor,
not the Greens into party Maori, who sing from a
very different songsheet. On law and audibit for hapkins, how
do you credibly stand up and argue against longer sentences
for thugs who bash first responders? How do you oppose
getting tough on coward punches? How do you oppose fines
(16:20):
for people stealing cuts of meat or booze from the
supermarket while the rest of us pay ever higher prices.
The answer for Labor so far has been you do
oppose these things. They've come out against pretty much every
single change that's been announced, and that plays into the
(16:41):
perception that they're still weak on crime, that they haven't
been going to the gym to get stronger and tougher
on crime. They are instead further withering away. Of course,
this problem could be solved if we knew anything about
what Labor is planning policy wise for the next election.
But Chippy's strategy is owing to be shock and or
(17:01):
they're holding cards very close to their chest until the election.
In the meantime, they do run the risk, don't they,
of looking weak while the coalition steals their thunder Ryan
Bridge talksb very quick update twenty nine minutes after five
Now ACT has put out a release. They're not happy
because councils have spent this is These are the councils
(17:22):
that have declared climate emergencies. Channel Greta Thunberg one point
three million dollars on international flight since twenty nineteen. Get
out twenty nine after five News Talks HEBB reporters and
then Gavin Gray UK Europe.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
On Your Radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with
Ryan Bridge and x Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes warm
and dry. This winter news talks at BP.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Four away from six News Talk seiv B before six
Woollies on the fines for shotlifting. The heat wave in
Europe will get to Gavin Gray are UK Europe Correspondent
right now. The global dairy trade auction overnight numbers down
four point one percent, fourth negative auction in a row
and the biggest four easily the biggest fall this year.
The max last I think one point seven is as
(18:26):
bad as it's gotten this year. Buttered down four point
three percent, which you'll probably like the sound of if
you're buying it. Butter milk powder though, up nine point
three percent. Everything else down basically Cheddar down point two
point eight, mozzarella down point two, skim milk powder one
point seven, and whole milk powder which is our golden
goose down five point one percent, so they won't like that.
(18:50):
This morning, twenty three minutes away from.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Six prede in bread.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Reporters around the country, color Procter and needed for us
and planning happening around Transport four the new hospital colum.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
A Morning, Ryan and z Eta here is starting to
seek feedback now on options for some key routes around
this new hospital. Here it's specifically Cumberland Street and also
State Highway eighty eight also known as Saint Andrews Street
around the new hospital. These proposed changes include adding new
crossings and removing a right hand turn. There's also plans
(19:24):
around nearby streets to help with driving, walking and cycling,
and they say making it safer and smoother for emergency
service vehicles to move.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Around the hospital.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
So NZTA is up to ten thousand pedestrians will be
walking in and around the hospital daily, so these changes
are practical and sensible to make it efficient for everyone.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
All right, how's your weather.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
It's minus three at the moment at our airport, but
fine today light winds and twelve.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Thank you and Courtney and christ Church. Hey, Courtney, good morning, Ryan.
Your airport's pretty busy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yes.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
So in New Zealand is adding over ninety two thousand
seats to its Auckland to christ Church roots before between
November and March. This is a boost of eleven percent.
It's also introducing an extra one hundred and twenty thousand
seats for the Special Olympics this December to help athletes
and supporters travel to the games. This is another vote
(20:16):
of confidence for the Garden City as Quantus, China, Southern
and Singapore airlines have increased flights over the summer season
in Z's domestic General Manager Kate O'Brien sees the aiding
capacity to support tourism operators, events and regional economies in
christ Church and beyond.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
How's your weather, Courtney.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
It's chili down here too with some morning frost, but
it's going to become fine. High cloud northeasterlies a high
of ten.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You keep warm, Courtney, Max's and Wellington heymax, good morning.
Now what's the council finally admitting to the cost.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Of Yeah, this was really odd by the Wellington City Council.
Our newsroom went to them quite a few months ago,
probably more than a year ago, to simply ask what
the cost was the city's new pay by plate parking machines,
which are solar powered. They have English and today Omori instructions,
quite unique in that regard, and we were met with
the dead fish eyes. Sorry we can't tell you. It's
(21:09):
a secret commercial sensitivity, which is of course ridiculous. We
paid for them. We went to the ombudsman. Of course,
naturally have now been sent the information now grown up's gone.
Involved just over three point five million dollars for these machines,
nine grand roughly per machine, and notably, just under a
year ago, about eighty of them had to have their
(21:30):
solar panels moved quite a few feet higher out of
reach because they were being smashed by vandals. That work
quite cost quite a bit as well. You can read
that full story Ethan Minera up on the Herald website
about seven am.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I certainly will be lovely to her we preview. So
three point five million dollar? Do we know how that
compares to a non woke one?
Speaker 10 (21:52):
More, I don't have the number in front of me,
but more you can safely assume.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
All right, thanks for that. You're with it today, mix
Sonny for those solar panels.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Well partly cloudy, so a little bit of power, A
strong norther east thirteen the hay.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Nice and enjoy max. Thank you. Neva's an auk Hay.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Neither greetings ye Jeffer, Yes, the Jeffer and no we're
not talking about just another if bleep Aucklander, sweet Maker Jays.
I've confirmed they're going to stop manufacturing the Lolly the
Jeffers because of well, declining sales. Now Jeffers have been
on our shelves since nineteen thirty one and brand straighted.
Just Jill Brinston says, Look, no matter how much of
(22:30):
a culture icon something is, if it's not selling, it's
just not going to stick around. So she's saying, you know,
it may rise again if there's a new spin on them,
but you know, like no brands can last forever. Been
around since nineteen thirty one. It's been a hot topic
in the newsroom. We're just talking about. Someone brought up
a really good point Dunedin. You know how that Steep
Street Boardwin Street and they used to drop their Jeffers
(22:51):
drop them down?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Why are they going to use They stopped doing that,
didn't they? I think the last one was twenty before COVID,
I think, But what is up with I would genuinely
love to hear from people, why did we stop buying Jeffers,
Because they've said declining sales is the reason so nineteen
ninety two, why did you stop buying Jaffers?
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Please?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Is it because the price? I had a look this morning.
So five dollars nineteen for one hundred and fifty grams,
that's expensive. That that's six bucks for three hundred and
sixty grams of just Cabrey chocolate.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
And I remember back in the day, you know, you'd
go to the movies, but who's going to the movies now?
You'd either have Jeffers, you get you could buy a
box of Jeffers, either Boxer snifters or the tingy fruits. Yes,
And I always used to go for the Jeffers. And
when you used to go into movie theater, there's a cargo.
Back in the day, you know, you know how kids
used to throw the lollies around. Yeah, okay, don't waste
your lollies. Used to say to my brother's go three
(23:43):
second rule.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Pick up those lollies. You're catching them, you're catching them.
But yeah, it's an interesting question. Did we fall out
of love with them because we have more choice? I mean,
you you know, lots more stuff you can get, yes?
Or is it I wonder if there's a cunning back
on sugar thing?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
True too, because you know I wouldn't buy a full packet.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Now I'd be just having like one and stuck on
it for like two hours, yees.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Otherwise I'd be enormous. Hey, how's that with her?
Speaker 9 (24:12):
Cloudy?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Scattered shows from afternoon? Seventeen is a high here in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Nice one, thanks very much, Neva. It is eighteen away
from six that number again, nine two nine two. Our
UK Europe correspondent Gavin Gray is with us Live next
and then we're talking to Woollies about the changes that's
been made to shoplifting. So you've got a fine sounds great,
five hundred dollars or one thousand dollars fine on the spot,
(24:37):
But someone's just stolen something from your store and the
police have to issue the fine. So what are you
doing in the meantime? Is Wooly's going to start holding
the thieves until the cops arrive.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
We'll ask before six International correspondence with ends an eye
insurance peace of mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Just gone fourteen away from six, Jeff for feedback in
a second right now, Gavin Gray are UK Europe Corra
givin good morning, good evening to you either rat new
twist in This is Lucy Lipby, Britain's most prolific modern
serial killer. What is the twist here?
Speaker 11 (25:12):
Well, she's currently serving fifteen life sentences for targeting babies
at Chester Hospital or the Countess of Chester Hospital in
northwest England in the twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen killing,
murdering seven babies, attempting to murdering seven others. There's been
a great deal to talk about some of the evidence
being circumstantial and not particularly reliable, but she remains behind
(25:37):
bars today. However, three of her bosses have now suddenly
been arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. In other words,
bosses that perhaps might have been looking at the fatality
rates within that baby unit now potentially facing a police
investigation of their own. These arrests have come into potential
(26:01):
corporate manslaughter at the hospital. That investigation was opened a
couple of years back and then widened in March this
year to include gross negligence manslaughter and those three have
been questioned and released after that questioning on bail and
the police pointing out that gross negligence. Manslaughter is a
separate offense focusing on grossly negligent action or inaction of individuals.
(26:24):
And as I said, all this at a time when
summer concluding, Lucy LETB may not herself be guilty.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And the heat wave, we've got two people who died
in Italy. Quickly just give us a sense. How hot
is it?
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Yeah, well, across southern Europe very hot. So they for
having sort of mid forties forty six point six celsius
one temperature recorded nighttime temperature in Barcelona twenty seven celsius
in Seville twenty eight and today confirmed Spain and England
have recorded their hottest June ever.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Appreciate your time this morning. That's Kevin Gray, our UK
europe correspondent. Time is twelve minutes away from six. Ryan
bred on News talks B. We're getting harsher penalties for
theft and new fines for shoplifting. Changes these are proposed
at the stage include infringement fines of five hundred bucks
if the value of the stolen goods was below five
hundred dollars, or up to one thousand dollars if the
(27:16):
stolen goods worth more than five hundred bucks, but theft
maximum penalty will be one year in prison if the
value is two thousand or less, up to seven years
in prison if goods were valued at more than two
thousand dollars. Jason Stockel is wil Worst, director of Retail
with me this morning. Hey Jason, morning, How are you good?
Thank you? Do you think this is going? I mean,
(27:38):
if somebody is stealing stuff, they're probably not massively well off.
We'll a fine deter them, do you think, Ryan?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
It'll be interesting to see how that system works. But
from our point of view, we're just pleased that we've
had the announcements. It's a positive step forward and we're
happy to look at any initiative that's going to make
our stores safer for our team and our customers.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
How does it work if you want to issue an
on the spot fine, it's the cops that do it,
So you have to wait till the cops arrive to
do that. What happens if the offender leaves in the interim,
You're right from what.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
The detail we're looking at is, the police will obviously
shoe those fines on the spot, and if they have
left they've left, we'll obviously do our normal reports who
or and our CCTV reporting to hopefully that they can
track them down. But again, as you said, it all
depends on what the value is that we'll report everything
where we can to the police.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So you're not you're not going to change your practice
of not because at the moment you know you'd always
you don't let your staff hold the trolley or hold
the person. Your security guards are told not to do
that as well.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Is that correct if we can't restrain anybody, we can
approach if we've had our team trained correctly to approach
the offender or the thief. But the main aim for
us is to keep our team and customers safe.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Would you like the authority to restrain people.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
It'd be an interesting concept, And when we've talked about
the citizens arrest yesterday, actually it'll be interesting. But again
we've got to have some real type time framework around
that because you put your team or your customers in
the way of a citizens ar rest, you don't know
what the outcome is going to be, particularly when we've
got knife threatening and abuse from theft at sixty five
(29:19):
percent increase on last year, so you just don't know
what they're carrying nowadays. So again for me, it's about
how do we keep our team safe. But we'll watch
this space with what the government come out with.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Okay, but if it wasn't your staff, but security guards,
if they were able to do it, would you be
open to.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Then Look again, probably would be.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But again we've.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Got to make sure that the training is right.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
We've got to make sure that is third party security
company that get involved in citizens arrest, particularly if through
in a public, open area, which our supermarkets are, we've
got to make sure that they've got exactly the right
training to keep them safe and the customers around them.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Should anyone have a taser because that's one of the
things that were going to recom mean was taser training
for security guards.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, again, I won't go down that path. I've seen
it happen in our stores though, but it wasn't the
security guards as the police. But again we've got to
watch what that looks like and see what the government recommend.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Jason, appreciate your time this morning. Jason stockhol Will worst
Director of Retail. So there you go. What what difference
does a fine make if you're not there to get
the fine? You know, it's like a tree falling in
the woods, isn't it? The number of six? The feedback
coming in on Jeffers is fascinating. We'll get to that next.
And Mike has hed.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Too news and views you trust to start your day.
It's earlier this ship with Ryan Bridge at Expol installation,
keeping Kiwi Holmes warm and dry, this winter.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
News talk, so it'd be one of those stories today.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
One.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's seven away from six. The Jeffers, the fact that
our James is not going to be making them anymore. Ryan,
stop leading Jeffers due to the fact that we're not
meant to eat sugar. So is it the sugar is
at the cost? Or is it because you have other
options now? Ryan still by them occasionally cutting down on sugar,
So aren't buying them as often used to? Like the
giant Ones great shows? Is hamish? Ryan? The shrunk a
(31:06):
fraction from what they were. It's ruined them. Are you
sure you weren't eating the giant Ones? Ryan, it's cost
of living. Can't do it anymore. And the cheaper ones
called orange chocolate balls, which is completely unoriginal but cheaper
and still available, says Gary. Six to six, Ryan Bredge,
Mike don't see you eating no jeckers. Do you know
(31:29):
what we'remen eating.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
What we're missing in the story is that what we're
doing as old people is being nostealgic. And so the
marketing exercise. As you grow older, you don't eat lollies.
I mean Lolli's is a kid's thing. So you're needing
to market to a new market. So what you thought
was a good thing, like a fifty cent mixture or
an aeroplane to a new generation. I know this because
(31:52):
of an eighteen year old, our youngest at home. It's
all party packs and imitation stuff from China and stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Like that, just the sheer number. There are options you've
got now. It's not just sniffers and jets.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
There are no originals left, you know, the really good ones.
You know used to get a wine gum, a good
chewy wine gum, and they don't exist any The jet
planes are still going pretty good jet planes are still
available to you. There's not Eskimo about the place. If
you notice, there's not Kimo only at Easter, No, no
little Eskimo packet of eskimos pineapple lumps, not what they were.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, well, nothing is because that's because we have options now,
and we realized pineapple lumps were actually ever that good.
Speaker 12 (32:31):
I reckon, I disagree. I think of blackberries and raspberries.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Would you go to the supermarket and buy well, you would,
of course, of course not.
Speaker 12 (32:37):
But I don't go to the supermarket and I don't
buy lollies. So you're talking to the wrong person. But
back in the day, it was twenty cents with your
pocket money. Yeah, for the blackberries and the raspberrys?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
What did you do for your pocket money?
Speaker 12 (32:49):
Or I worked like a dog? Actually, absolutely worked like
a dog. I mowed the lawns.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Did you We had to work like dogs. But we
didn't get pocket money.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
That was just for board.
Speaker 12 (32:57):
So you're better raised than I am. But we're a
push mower. We didn't have a motor mole. We had
a push ma So I pushed went and we had
a quarter acre section back in those days. So you
had blackberries and raspberries, you had a push moa and
you had a quarter acre section. And so you took
your twenty cents down to the fall square. They're still around,
so you took them down to the fall square, and
for twenty cents you could buy a.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Good selection you know what they call that, mate, the
good old days.
Speaker 12 (33:19):
That's exactly right. And that's and that's why we're nostalgic
for them, because the kids have all moved on. They
don't know what we're talking about, but we just longed
for what once.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But also you look at inflation and what the price
of a Jeffer is now compared to what it was.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
You know what else happened back in the old days? No, no, no,
No one stole stuff. There were no thieves back in
the old days. True, you didn't have these new rules.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
See these new rules completely useless. If you can't hold
someone down to give them a fine, what's.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
The point hold them down? Wouldn't you when you be
timid to hold them down?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know when they would have held them down the
good old days, the good old days, exactly Mike's Necks
three to six News Talk said be.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning at a six a half to five. Great
to have your company coming up on the show this
morning before six fines for shoplifting. How will they actually work?
And practice? Will speak to Wilworst about that heat wave
in Europe. Big heat wave in Europe. Gavin gray Are,
UK Europe correspondent. The schools closed, eighteen hundred schools closed
in France overnight. Libraries here are ordering AI books, that is,
(00:34):
books authored by AI in the library, which we will
apparently then rent. Spending cuts for defense? How do you
marry up spending cuts for defense with the massive announcements
of billions and billions and squillions of dollars going towards defense.
We'll look at that in about ten minutes time here
on News Talks.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
He'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
The agenda Wednesday, the second of July. After ours of stalemate,
US senators have now passed Trump's big beautiful bill. Now
it faces another tough fight in the House that goes
back to the House. Meanwhile, Musk Trump back at it.
Musk says he might run against Trump at the next election.
We might have to put those Elan Belji's the monster
(01:15):
that has that might have to go back and eat eline.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Would't that be fair about now?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Petonteg Shinawat. This is Thailand's Constitutional Court has suspended the
Prime Minister, who has come under mounting pressure to resign
over a leaked phone call with the former Cambodian leader.
Pultn't send the clip in which she called him uncle
and criticized the taime military commander spike public anger and
outrage in a petition for her dismissal.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
She has responded saying she'll accept the judgment of the court.
She said she was only doing what she thought was
in the best interests of the country, but she has
fifteen days to present her case and she has confidence
that the court will understand.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The spectacle in New York City over the Diddy trial continues.
A load of influencers and live streamers have spent weeks
live streaming outside of the courthouse to their fans, and
this continues this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
We do want to get closer and understand what this
case is going to be, you know, I mean, what
is it going to wrap up to be how.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Many followers did you have at the start of this
and versus how many you have now?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I had about maybe like five thousand or soul right
now I got about sixteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Brian Bridge on the early edition with expol insulation keeping
chili O's warm and dry this winter news talks.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That'd be yeah, interesting, that, isn't it. I mean, that's
pretty much what journalists would have done, you know, in
the good old days. I suppose stand outside of a
court and report on what's going on inside there. That
would be the job of a journalist. But now it's
live streamers. That's just the way the world goes, I suppose,
isn't it. Hey, great news yesterday. This is for Skyline Enterprises,
(02:53):
and I just think it's we're at that time in
the economic cycle you have to stop and take the
wins and not blow them up, but you you've got
to glow up the wins. I think, so we'll do
a bit of that this morning. This is the gondola
luge operator. Skyline Enterprise is doubling its pre tax profit.
(03:13):
Strong tourism rebound in Queenstown.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I know that hasn't gone everywhere, but you've got to,
as I say, take the wins where you can get them.
So overall, a profit before tax more than doubling, rising
to twenty eight point seven million dollars last year. So
from twenty eight point seven last year to sixty one
million in twenty twenty five. Domestic operations this is interesting
because they've got gondolas and loges and places like Japan.
(03:39):
But domestic operations recording total revenue of one hundred and
seventeen million dollars for the year, up nineteen percent on
twenty twenty four. One point four million gondola trips in
New Zealand and three point two million on the louge.
That's spread across both Rotru and Queenstown. So that's great news.
And I'll update you. We had another business confidence survey out,
(04:01):
so I looked at you on that shortly just gone
ten minutes after five. Now coming up next to the
defense force. So on the one hand, we're getting told
billions going into defense, don't worry about it. On the
other hand, we're hearing about a hundred billion dollars in cuts.
So how does that marry out one hundred million, I
should say, and cuts? How does that marry out. We'll
look at it next.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The first word on the News of the Day early
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Holmes warm and dry this winter.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
News Talks B five after five on News Talks there
b Ryan, I reckon shoplifting will increase even though the
government's making these changes. No risk of jail or conviction.
How much is the fine? I'm curious there is actually
to this text that there is the risk of longer
prison sentences theft. The maximum penalty will be one year
(04:52):
in prison if the value is less than two thousand dollars.
Two thousand dollars or less in value of items stolen,
the fine will be up to five hundred dollars. If
the value of the stolen goods was below five hundred dollars.
So presumably if somebody steals something worth three hundred dollars,
you could find them three hundred dollars I'm assuming, So
up to five hundred, you get up to five hundred. Now,
(05:15):
anything one thousand dollars is up to one thousand dollars
if the stolen goods were worth more than five hundred dollars,
so you'd almost be better off stealing something worth fifteen
hundred dollars. But of course then you get yourself into
further trouble with the potential for an ankle bracelet or
(05:35):
time and the slammer. Thirteen after five, We've got fresh
warnings this morning of reputational damage to our Defense Force
of planned cost cutting goes ahead the PSA. This is
the Union sounding the alarm after the Defense Force revealed
one hundred and thirty million dollar budget shortfall for twenty
four to twenty five and a letter to the union.
The Defense Force confirmed it's already scraped together one hundred
(05:56):
million dollars in savings, but says more enduring cuts maybe
needed to be locked in because not everything can be reversed.
Hayden Ricketts is retired lieutenant colonel at Mission Home Front
with US this morning. Hayden, good morning, Yeah, good morning, Royan.
How can you just explain this. We're hearing about billions
of dollars going into the Defense Force, biggest investment ever,
(06:18):
doubling to two percent of GDP. How why are we
talking about cuts?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
There is a really good question, Ryan. Against the context
of twelve billion dollar investment over the next four years,
it would appear that cutting the civilian workforce right at
the moment would not be the right thing to do.
If we paint the context as it alluded to, one
hundred and thirty million dollars was meant to be saved.
They found one hundred from internal savings, leaving about thirty. Now,
(06:46):
when the PSA kicked us off in sort of like
Tober last year, the Defense forces know there's three hundred
and seventy four positions which we're going to be cut
or acts. And actual fact is there's eighty people that
are looking at being effected of losing their jobs. And
that's significant for eighty people. But the money they're going
to save from cutting those eighty people isn't going to
be the money that they want to save. The stock
the juice is not going to be worth to squeeze
(07:07):
on this one. If you have a look at the
amount of money that's coming down the investment pipeline, the
Defense Force is going to need people in the staff
areas to do the introduction to service, to do the
staff work, to do the business cases in the papers
for cabinet for that money. Yes, now, in some cases
the people they're looking at cutting are the people that
do that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Work well, do both We know that the dreat rest
of squeeze, But do we know that Hayden, because the
defense forces come out and said they are not telling
us specifically what's being cut, So how do we know
they're cutting the bits will need down the track.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Or if you can do maths, you need more people
to do more work. You've got more investment coming down
the pipeline. So it doesn't follow that you cut your
personnel workforce at the time when you need them to
do their investments.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, but not everybody's going to be doing worthwhile stuff.
I mean did the Defense force? The civilian arm I'm
talking about here is like any other department has people
doing things that actually aren't important, you know, So are
there people doing unimportant things that we're getting rid of?
And the answer is we just we don't really know.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
No. So on the uniform side, the armies short of
a thousand people from the mandated number of fifty one
fifty or five thousand. Air Force is short by two
hundred and fifty, Navy short by a similar amount. We've
seen what happens when people when there's not enough suitably
qualified and experienced people to do the work. You think ships.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So to suggest that there are.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
People in there that aren't doing the right work, I
think that's that's a preposterous statement and quite insulting. And
if there's any reputational damage that comes to the Defense Force,
it's from people making statements like that. Have a look
at what our Defense Force is doing in the Indian
Ocean with the deployment of Takaha. We've just deployed more
Defense Force people to Nelson to help out.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
The force helps out, But these people are no no, no, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
No that I'm not talking about the Defense Force personnel
who are being deployed to these as. I'm talking about well,
you know pen pushes in Wellington? Is there is there
is there a problem with the back office in Wellington
because that is what the government says that they're trying
to where they're trying to shift the money from.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
So those policy statements came out from the previous government.
Remember the large back office cuts that got made to
the public sector. These decisions got made under that context
in October last year. But has the situation changed, I
would argue yes, it has. Is the global security environment changes,
as we've seen ships in the tesmen sea as we've
shunk our own ships on a good day in the
(09:36):
long place in the SOUTHUA specific now we're going to
need people to do that to support these investments. And
right now that the context has changed, the situation has changed,
and I don't think the juice is worth to squeeze
on these particular work for savings.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, all right, howdn't appreciate your perspective this morning. Hayden Ricketts,
a retired lieutenant colonel, Mission Home Front on cuts to
to what the government says are back office rolls at NZDF.
It's just gone eighteen minutes after five. News talk s
head be coming up next. We're talking while we get
to our reporters after half five. Also, Kim Jong Un
(10:12):
potentially finally acknowledging the fact that some of his troops
have gone to Russia.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That story ahead, Get ahead of the headlines on a
bary edition with Ryan Branch and x Fole Insulation keeping
Kiwi Holmes warm and dry this winter News Talks a'd.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Be five twenty on News Talk s headb so in.
This is a Wall Street Journal report saying that for
the first time, Kim Jong un has publicly at least
appeared to publicly acknowledge the fact that North Korean troops
have been fighting alongside the Russians in Ukraine. There have
been some coffins returned, and at the pyeong Yang Gala
there was a performance and photographs showed Kim wearing a
(10:51):
winter jacket Morning Soldiers and standing among a row of
caskets that appeared to be placed at the airport tarmac.
Kim was photograph placing both hands on top of the caskets,
straight with North Korea's red, blue and white national flag.
He never acknowledged the fact that their troops were going
to help the Russians until now twenty one after five.
(11:11):
Bryan Bridge, if you listen to the show yesterday, you
know I talked a lot about AI and AI taking
over our lives and taking over our jobs. Well here's
another prime example of this. Turns out quite a few
New Zealand's Live of New Zealand's libraries either already have
or are open to stocking books written by AI authors.
Laura Marshall is the executive director at Library and Information
(11:34):
Association New Zealand. Laura, good morning, Good morning, Ryan. Is
do you know of any AI written books in libraries yourself.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Yes, there are a few, but from our experience and
talking to library managers, there's not that many.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
There's only a couple.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
There's only a couple of supplies that even provide them
in New Zealand. So I don't believe that there is
many with the New Zealand libraries.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yet would you read one?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I'd probably read one just to see what it was like.
But to be honest, I think they're just an interpretation
of our thoughts. I think it's just a good copy.
So I'm not really that interested in exploring the long term,
but I'd probably read one just to see what it
was like.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
This is the problem, though, What if you read it
and it's good? You know? I mean, is that a
little bit scary that thought?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
To be honest, when I use AI myself, it's interpreting
my thoughts, but it never comes out perfect, and it's
never enough to entice me to think that it could
replace myself or we give it the information. I don't
truly believe that AI could tell our stories. Especially in
New Zealand, we have very next stories. You have people's experiences.
(12:47):
That's doing. It's just interpreting those stories and that information
and I don't believe that it can really do that very.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well yet does AI? Well, I mean, I suppose the
Internet generally. Sometimes I'm surprised libraries are still going. But
then but then I walked past them and they are full.
So how do you explain that with the Internet.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So libraries are also community hubs. They are places to
meet people. It's places to go to community programs, it's
places to interact. They really are quite.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
An amazing ecosystem.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
They also reflect the community, So they're an amazing place.
But believe it or not, issues and library that are
actually going out. Just because someone's reading a book online
or on their iPad, it doesn't mean they're not reading.
So issues are just going through the through the roofs.
Libraries have never been more successful. They're just an amazing ecosystem,
an amazing place, and I don't think AI and the
(13:41):
Internet is going to turn that around.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, interesting, What about if there's a book that's written
by AI that's really good and that people want, like,
you know, there's people are asking it reception, whatever do
you think do you think her libraries should provide it?
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Yes, libraries usually do stock customer requests and it comes
down to how many times a book is issued. No,
I doubt they're going to fill an entire library full
of AI written books. And if we had this conversation
in five years, Ryan, I doubt there would be that
many books that we'd been good enough to pass the
test to get into the library. But yes, we do
respond to the public as well. We have to respond
(14:20):
to what people want to read. And I also believe
that if you're reading anything, it's better than reading nothing,
getting into the habit of literacy and reading a book,
so better than better than nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah. Absolutely, Hey, Laura, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks
coming on the show. Laura Marshall, Library and Information Association
of New Zealand, Thank you very much. I would happily
watch an AI curated directed movie, happily do that. I'm
genuinely open to reading a book too. I mean, if
(14:51):
you had if you just put a fake name and
didn't tell me it was AI, would you even would
I even know? You know, and if it's been proofed
and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, I don't know. Movies,
I feel what would be a lot more open to books,
Maybe not so much. Twenty five after five News Talks
VB the early.
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News TALKSB It is five twenty seven. You know immediately
when something makes good political sense. You can usually tell
not by listening to the minister announce it, but by
listening to the opposition oppose it. Crime is the topic
juju this week, of course, and it's one of National's strongest,
biggest levers. It's got to pull. It's one of the
(15:36):
few election issues on which they outpoll Labor, so it's
no wonder that they've pulled out all the stops this
after a few weeks of some shaky polling and being
on the defense. The problem for Labor with crime quite simple.
No one trusts them. The facts are as follows. Crime
went nuts, Labour's policy reduced prison population, which is what
(15:58):
makes this such a hard slot, a hard week for Labor,
not the Greens into party Maori, who sing from a
very different songsheet. On law and audibit for hapkins, how
do you credibly stand up and argue against longer sentences
for thugs who bash first responders? How do you oppose
getting tough on coward punches? How do you oppose fines
(16:20):
for people stealing cuts of meat or booze from the
supermarket while the rest of us pay ever higher prices.
The answer for Labor so far has been you do
oppose these things. They've come out against pretty much every
single change that's been announced, and that plays into the
(16:41):
perception that they're still weak on crime, that they haven't
been going to the gym to get stronger and tougher
on crime. They are instead further withering away. Of course,
this problem could be solved if we knew anything about
what Labor is planning policy wise for the next election.
But Chippy's strategy is owing to be shock and or
(17:01):
they're holding cards very close to their chest until the election.
In the meantime, they do run the risk, don't they,
of looking weak while the coalition steals their thunder Ryan
Bridge talksb very quick update twenty nine minutes after five
Now ACT has put out a release. They're not happy
because councils have spent this is These are the councils
(17:22):
that have declared climate emergencies. Channel Greta Thunberg one point
three million dollars on international flight since twenty nineteen. Get
out twenty nine after five News Talks HEBB reporters and
then Gavin Gray UK Europe.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
On Your Radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with
Ryan Bridge and x Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes warm
and dry. This winter news talks at BP.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Four away from six News Talk seiv B before six
Woollies on the fines for shotlifting. The heat wave in
Europe will get to Gavin Gray are UK Europe Correspondent
right now. The global dairy trade auction overnight numbers down
four point one percent, fourth negative auction in a row
and the biggest four easily the biggest fall this year.
The max last I think one point seven is as
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bad as it's gotten this year. Buttered down four point
three percent, which you'll probably like the sound of if
you're buying it. Butter milk powder though, up nine point
three percent. Everything else down basically Cheddar down point two
point eight, mozzarella down point two, skim milk powder one
point seven, and whole milk powder which is our golden
goose down five point one percent, so they won't like that.
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This morning, twenty three minutes away from.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Six prede in bread.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Reporters around the country, color Procter and needed for us
and planning happening around Transport four the new hospital colum.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
A Morning, Ryan and z Eta here is starting to
seek feedback now on options for some key routes around
this new hospital. Here it's specifically Cumberland Street and also
State Highway eighty eight also known as Saint Andrews Street
around the new hospital. These proposed changes include adding new
crossings and removing a right hand turn. There's also plans
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around nearby streets to help with driving, walking and cycling,
and they say making it safer and smoother for emergency
service vehicles to move.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Around the hospital.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
So NZTA is up to ten thousand pedestrians will be
walking in and around the hospital daily, so these changes
are practical and sensible to make it efficient for everyone.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
All right, how's your weather.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
It's minus three at the moment at our airport, but
fine today light winds and twelve.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Thank you and Courtney and christ Church. Hey, Courtney, good morning, Ryan.
Your airport's pretty busy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yes.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
So in New Zealand is adding over ninety two thousand
seats to its Auckland to christ Church roots before between
November and March. This is a boost of eleven percent.
It's also introducing an extra one hundred and twenty thousand
seats for the Special Olympics this December to help athletes
and supporters travel to the games. This is another vote
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of confidence for the Garden City as Quantus, China, Southern
and Singapore airlines have increased flights over the summer season
in Z's domestic General Manager Kate O'Brien sees the aiding
capacity to support tourism operators, events and regional economies in
christ Church and beyond.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
How's your weather, Courtney.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
It's chili down here too with some morning frost, but
it's going to become fine. High cloud northeasterlies a high
of ten.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You keep warm, Courtney, Max's and Wellington heymax, good morning.
Now what's the council finally admitting to the cost.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Of Yeah, this was really odd by the Wellington City Council.
Our newsroom went to them quite a few months ago,
probably more than a year ago, to simply ask what
the cost was the city's new pay by plate parking machines,
which are solar powered. They have English and today Omori instructions,
quite unique in that regard, and we were met with
the dead fish eyes. Sorry we can't tell you. It's
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a secret commercial sensitivity, which is of course ridiculous. We
paid for them. We went to the ombudsman. Of course,
naturally have now been sent the information now grown up's gone.
Involved just over three point five million dollars for these machines,
nine grand roughly per machine, and notably, just under a
year ago, about eighty of them had to have their
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solar panels moved quite a few feet higher out of
reach because they were being smashed by vandals. That work
quite cost quite a bit as well. You can read
that full story Ethan Minera up on the Herald website
about seven am.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I certainly will be lovely to her we preview. So
three point five million dollar? Do we know how that
compares to a non woke one?
Speaker 10 (21:52):
More, I don't have the number in front of me,
but more you can safely assume.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
All right, thanks for that. You're with it today, mix
Sonny for those solar panels.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Well partly cloudy, so a little bit of power, A
strong norther east thirteen the hay.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Nice and enjoy max. Thank you. Neva's an auk Hay.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Neither greetings ye Jeffer, Yes, the Jeffer and no we're
not talking about just another if bleep Aucklander, sweet Maker Jays.
I've confirmed they're going to stop manufacturing the Lolly the
Jeffers because of well, declining sales. Now Jeffers have been
on our shelves since nineteen thirty one and brand straighted.
Just Jill Brinston says, Look, no matter how much of
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a culture icon something is, if it's not selling, it's
just not going to stick around. So she's saying, you know,
it may rise again if there's a new spin on them,
but you know, like no brands can last forever. Been
around since nineteen thirty one. It's been a hot topic
in the newsroom. We're just talking about. Someone brought up
a really good point Dunedin. You know how that Steep
Street Boardwin Street and they used to drop their Jeffers
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drop them down?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Why are they going to use They stopped doing that,
didn't they? I think the last one was twenty before COVID,
I think, But what is up with I would genuinely
love to hear from people, why did we stop buying Jeffers,
Because they've said declining sales is the reason so nineteen
ninety two, why did you stop buying Jaffers?
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Please?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Is it because the price? I had a look this morning.
So five dollars nineteen for one hundred and fifty grams,
that's expensive. That that's six bucks for three hundred and
sixty grams of just Cabrey chocolate.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
And I remember back in the day, you know, you'd
go to the movies, but who's going to the movies now?
You'd either have Jeffers, you get you could buy a
box of Jeffers, either Boxer snifters or the tingy fruits. Yes,
And I always used to go for the Jeffers. And
when you used to go into movie theater, there's a cargo.
Back in the day, you know, you know how kids
used to throw the lollies around. Yeah, okay, don't waste
your lollies. Used to say to my brother's go three
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second rule.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Pick up those lollies. You're catching them, you're catching them.
But yeah, it's an interesting question. Did we fall out
of love with them because we have more choice? I mean,
you you know, lots more stuff you can get, yes?
Or is it I wonder if there's a cunning back
on sugar thing?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
True too, because you know I wouldn't buy a full packet.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Now I'd be just having like one and stuck on
it for like two hours, yees.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Otherwise I'd be enormous. Hey, how's that with her?
Speaker 9 (24:12):
Cloudy?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Scattered shows from afternoon? Seventeen is a high here in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Nice one, thanks very much, Neva. It is eighteen away
from six that number again, nine two nine two. Our
UK Europe correspondent Gavin Gray is with us Live next
and then we're talking to Woollies about the changes that's
been made to shoplifting. So you've got a fine sounds great,
five hundred dollars or one thousand dollars fine on the spot,
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But someone's just stolen something from your store and the
police have to issue the fine. So what are you
doing in the meantime? Is Wooly's going to start holding
the thieves until the cops arrive.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
We'll ask before six International correspondence with ends an eye
insurance peace of mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Just gone fourteen away from six, Jeff for feedback in
a second right now, Gavin Gray are UK Europe Corra
givin good morning, good evening to you either rat new
twist in This is Lucy Lipby, Britain's most prolific modern
serial killer. What is the twist here?
Speaker 11 (25:12):
Well, she's currently serving fifteen life sentences for targeting babies
at Chester Hospital or the Countess of Chester Hospital in
northwest England in the twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen killing,
murdering seven babies, attempting to murdering seven others. There's been
a great deal to talk about some of the evidence
being circumstantial and not particularly reliable, but she remains behind
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bars today. However, three of her bosses have now suddenly
been arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. In other words,
bosses that perhaps might have been looking at the fatality
rates within that baby unit now potentially facing a police
investigation of their own. These arrests have come into potential
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corporate manslaughter at the hospital. That investigation was opened a
couple of years back and then widened in March this
year to include gross negligence manslaughter and those three have
been questioned and released after that questioning on bail and
the police pointing out that gross negligence. Manslaughter is a
separate offense focusing on grossly negligent action or inaction of individuals.
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And as I said, all this at a time when
summer concluding, Lucy LETB may not herself be guilty.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And the heat wave, we've got two people who died
in Italy. Quickly just give us a sense. How hot
is it?
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Yeah, well, across southern Europe very hot. So they for
having sort of mid forties forty six point six celsius
one temperature recorded nighttime temperature in Barcelona twenty seven celsius
in Seville twenty eight and today confirmed Spain and England
have recorded their hottest June ever.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Appreciate your time this morning. That's Kevin Gray, our UK
europe correspondent. Time is twelve minutes away from six. Ryan
bred on News talks B. We're getting harsher penalties for
theft and new fines for shoplifting. Changes these are proposed
at the stage include infringement fines of five hundred bucks
if the value of the stolen goods was below five
hundred dollars, or up to one thousand dollars if the
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stolen goods worth more than five hundred bucks, but theft
maximum penalty will be one year in prison if the
value is two thousand or less, up to seven years
in prison if goods were valued at more than two
thousand dollars. Jason Stockel is wil Worst, director of Retail
with me this morning. Hey Jason, morning, How are you good?
Thank you? Do you think this is going? I mean,
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if somebody is stealing stuff, they're probably not massively well off.
We'll a fine deter them, do you think, Ryan?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
It'll be interesting to see how that system works. But
from our point of view, we're just pleased that we've
had the announcements. It's a positive step forward and we're
happy to look at any initiative that's going to make
our stores safer for our team and our customers.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
How does it work if you want to issue an
on the spot fine, it's the cops that do it,
So you have to wait till the cops arrive to
do that. What happens if the offender leaves in the interim,
You're right from what.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
The detail we're looking at is, the police will obviously
shoe those fines on the spot, and if they have
left they've left, we'll obviously do our normal reports who
or and our CCTV reporting to hopefully that they can
track them down. But again, as you said, it all
depends on what the value is that we'll report everything
where we can to the police.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So you're not you're not going to change your practice
of not because at the moment you know you'd always
you don't let your staff hold the trolley or hold
the person. Your security guards are told not to do
that as well.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Is that correct if we can't restrain anybody, we can
approach if we've had our team trained correctly to approach
the offender or the thief. But the main aim for
us is to keep our team and customers safe.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Would you like the authority to restrain people.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
It'd be an interesting concept, And when we've talked about
the citizens arrest yesterday, actually it'll be interesting. But again
we've got to have some real type time framework around
that because you put your team or your customers in
the way of a citizens ar rest, you don't know
what the outcome is going to be, particularly when we've
got knife threatening and abuse from theft at sixty five
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percent increase on last year, so you just don't know
what they're carrying nowadays. So again for me, it's about
how do we keep our team safe. But we'll watch
this space with what the government come out with.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Okay, but if it wasn't your staff, but security guards,
if they were able to do it, would you be
open to.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Then Look again, probably would be.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But again we've.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Got to make sure that the training is right.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
We've got to make sure that is third party security
company that get involved in citizens arrest, particularly if through
in a public, open area, which our supermarkets are, we've
got to make sure that they've got exactly the right
training to keep them safe and the customers around them.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Should anyone have a taser because that's one of the
things that were going to recom mean was taser training
for security guards.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, again, I won't go down that path. I've seen
it happen in our stores though, but it wasn't the
security guards as the police. But again we've got to
watch what that looks like and see what the government recommend.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Jason, appreciate your time this morning. Jason stockhol Will worst
Director of Retail. So there you go. What what difference
does a fine make if you're not there to get
the fine? You know, it's like a tree falling in
the woods, isn't it? The number of six? The feedback
coming in on Jeffers is fascinating. We'll get to that next.
And Mike has hed.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Too news and views you trust to start your day.
It's earlier this ship with Ryan Bridge at Expol installation,
keeping Kiwi Holmes warm and dry, this winter.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
News talk, so it'd be one of those stories today.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
One.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's seven away from six. The Jeffers, the fact that
our James is not going to be making them anymore. Ryan,
stop leading Jeffers due to the fact that we're not
meant to eat sugar. So is it the sugar is
at the cost? Or is it because you have other
options now? Ryan still by them occasionally cutting down on sugar,
So aren't buying them as often used to? Like the
giant Ones great shows? Is hamish? Ryan? The shrunk a
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fraction from what they were. It's ruined them. Are you
sure you weren't eating the giant Ones? Ryan, it's cost
of living. Can't do it anymore. And the cheaper ones
called orange chocolate balls, which is completely unoriginal but cheaper
and still available, says Gary. Six to six, Ryan Bredge,
Mike don't see you eating no jeckers. Do you know
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what we'remen eating.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
What we're missing in the story is that what we're
doing as old people is being nostealgic. And so the
marketing exercise. As you grow older, you don't eat lollies.
I mean Lolli's is a kid's thing. So you're needing
to market to a new market. So what you thought
was a good thing, like a fifty cent mixture or
an aeroplane to a new generation. I know this because
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of an eighteen year old, our youngest at home. It's
all party packs and imitation stuff from China and stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Like that, just the sheer number. There are options you've
got now. It's not just sniffers and jets.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
There are no originals left, you know, the really good ones.
You know used to get a wine gum, a good
chewy wine gum, and they don't exist any The jet
planes are still going pretty good jet planes are still
available to you. There's not Eskimo about the place. If
you notice, there's not Kimo only at Easter, No, no
little Eskimo packet of eskimos pineapple lumps, not what they were.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, well, nothing is because that's because we have options now,
and we realized pineapple lumps were actually ever that good.
Speaker 12 (32:31):
I reckon, I disagree. I think of blackberries and raspberries.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Would you go to the supermarket and buy well, you would,
of course, of course not.
Speaker 12 (32:37):
But I don't go to the supermarket and I don't
buy lollies. So you're talking to the wrong person. But
back in the day, it was twenty cents with your
pocket money. Yeah, for the blackberries and the raspberrys?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
What did you do for your pocket money?
Speaker 12 (32:49):
Or I worked like a dog? Actually, absolutely worked like
a dog. I mowed the lawns.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Did you We had to work like dogs. But we
didn't get pocket money.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
That was just for board.
Speaker 12 (32:57):
So you're better raised than I am. But we're a
push mower. We didn't have a motor mole. We had
a push ma So I pushed went and we had
a quarter acre section back in those days. So you
had blackberries and raspberries, you had a push moa and
you had a quarter acre section. And so you took
your twenty cents down to the fall square. They're still around,
so you took them down to the fall square, and
for twenty cents you could buy a.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Good selection you know what they call that, mate, the
good old days.
Speaker 12 (33:19):
That's exactly right. And that's and that's why we're nostalgic
for them, because the kids have all moved on. They
don't know what we're talking about, but we just longed
for what once.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But also you look at inflation and what the price
of a Jeffer is now compared to what it was.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
You know what else happened back in the old days? No, no, no,
No one stole stuff. There were no thieves back in
the old days. True, you didn't have these new rules.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
See these new rules completely useless. If you can't hold
someone down to give them a fine, what's.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
The point hold them down? Wouldn't you when you be
timid to hold them down?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know when they would have held them down the
good old days, the good old days, exactly Mike's Necks
three to six News Talk said be.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
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